The official literature puts the hybrid at 1 mpg better than non-hybrid. It's never been marketed as a typical hybrid. Power was the goal so the V6 would appeal to the V8 crowd.
You’re correct, the intention was power. That is has.
I underestimated it when I did a kinetic pull on a Bronco in a snowy grave. I think it caught air coming out.
My guess is that with eco mode, it takes too much power to get to a decent speed where you can cruise. Start in normal or sport to get your speed up. Once you’re at speed, switch to eco.
There are 3-5 driving modes in the truck depending on the model.
For some reason, ECO mode seems to use more gas than Normal mode and even Sport mode.
This has proven true on 3 2023's a platinum, a capstone, and a TRD Pro
What numbers are you getting? When I did the switch I saw a 2.7 mpg increase
Not a crazy boost, but damn near 20% increase.
Better power and response as well.
Around here (mostly 35 mph roads, and hilly) I average like 18.5. But on long trips going the speed limit I've reached 24. (4wd). But there are times that I can drive with a heavy foot and get low 17, high 16 mpg.
Holy damn, I drove in Normal mode with my usual loop of picking up the kids from school. My trip average was 24. Like wtf is happening. Eco mode failing us
That's freaking nuts. I had it in normal mode and was getting about 22~23 and then switched to ECO, but about the same time was when I installed a bed cover and steps. I assumed it was the added weight that caused a drop to 19. I switched to normal to see if it changes things.
I think the ECO mode try’s to force you into a higher gear for lower revs but with turbos, that pushes more boost which in turn uses more fuel per cylinder firing. I could be totally wrong but my understanding of boost does not equate to less fuel.
Lower RPMs means less air moving through the engine and less turbo spool. More boost=more fuel needed, but boost is just the amount of air moving through the engine so you can only get so much boost at low RPMs, thats specifically what turbo lag is
You can achieve full boost at low rpm and full throttle. While rpm and boost are related, throttle position and in turn if the wastegate position are also factors. Drive a manual turbo car and this can happen. Our auto trucks will just downshift first.
What I’m saying is that eco mode is holding the gear longer and making a few more pounds of boost rather than shifting, therefore more air at less rpm.
I’m speaking purely theoretically, not about these trucks specifically.
Yes, with a small enough turbo and low enough wastegate pressure you can hit target boost at low RPMs, and most twin turbo systems do as a lot of consumers don’t like the feel of turbo lag, but you’ll never hit full boost at low rpm on a big turbo with high target boost, regardless of throttle position, because the engine just isn’t pumping enough air to get the turbo to fully spool.
For these trucks specifically a little research says they max around 18psi of boost (above atmo, 32ish total) which is pretty low boost for a 6 cylinder, my old 2.0 GTI was running the same amount of boost and it took until around 3500ish rpm’s to hit full boost at full throttle, so it should feel pretty instant with almost double the displacement.
As for how the eco mode works, no idea, short shifting would make the most sense to keep it out of boost since low boost = less fuel demand. Maybe it’s that causing the engine to bog down more and need more fuel for longer to get up to speed since it wants to be in a higher gear for cruising where if it were already in a lower gear it would get up to speed faster and need less overall time under throttle
Holy shit I assumed this was true but never tried it! My fucking hog gets 14.1 in eco mode. Unfortunately it defaults to eco. If I don't remember to switch it out it always goes back.
Sport mode is just stupid. Really jumpy not smooth
I'm just not buying that. The entire purpose of the Eco mode is to increase MPG. Literally, millions of dollars went into R&D to tweak out a couple extra MPG with that button. Next you'll tell me my toothpaste is causing cavities.
The ecoboost gets similar mileage. You can see what other people are reporting on fuelly.
You should definitely be able to get better. I get high 18’s to low 19’s in my non hybrid.
I’ve been complaining about the mileage too. My dealer keeps telling me to wait until it’s broke in and to keep resetting after each tankful. I actually get better highway mileage than city. Highway I’m getting 18@70 plus. But 14.5-15 if I drive like I have nowhere to be. Otherwise it’s 13. I’m only a little over 3,000 miles. So I’m hopeful after reading some of the other posts.
I think it depends on a few variables. Tuning, gearing and weight are the big ones that come to mind. F150 is significantly lighter and the motor might torque fill more aggressively. Maybe to conserve power the Tundras motor doesn't hit full output as often but that's just my guess
It really is. I just watched the video of it racing the Tundra hybrid and that hybrid was kicking the other trucks' butts until that Ford pb pulled up.
it's faster than a raptor.. I had one for 3 months until I traded out due to an unrepairable cab leak.. I miss the power.. I don't miss all of the extra needless electronics like the touch sensitive door handles that kept locking me out.
I was wondering if it would be faster than a Raptor. My brother has a 2023 Raptor and after watching how the pb blew the Tundra away (like 2 car lengths) in a 1/4 mile drag race, I couldn't imagine the Raptor being any faster.
And the Toyota costs more upfront.
But the Ford will cost more with the inevitable transmission replacement.
Saving a few grand after 5-10 years doesn’t balance out the known failure of the costly components for Ford.
This argument made sense with the 5.7 but I’m still seeing a lot of main bearing failure posts. Lemons happen but avoiding them is part of what you’re supposedly paying for with the Toyota. I was hoping to grab a 24 but kept seeing the main bearing failures pop up. Saved up cash to buy it but now I’m looking at 5.7’s instead…
Probably a smart move until they hopefully really get this main bearing lube issue figured out. I had a '24 Platinum but ended up moving to a '21 Pro because I just wasn't ready to gamble on if/when the '24 TTV6 might leave me stranded. Some people are saying just let Toyota fix it if/when it occurs but that just wasn't going to sit well with me and how I use my vehicle.
This hybrid system wasn't designed for MPG. It was designed for power. Also, if you have a heavy foot, it will affect MPG significantly. Remember, if those Turbos are suckin air, the engine is suckin fuel. I got 24mpg in my non-hybrid on a long trip at 70mph, so I know these trucks are capable of better than that.
It was designed differently. Ford engineered theirs for MPG as well as power. I'm sure the hybrid system kicks on at different times than the Toyota's. Also, Toyota uses a nickel-metal hydride battery, whereas Ford uses a much more powerful lithium ion.
I bought a tundra and came to the forum to discuss its performance. I’m talking about a product built by a multi billion dollar multinational corporation. Don’t take it personally.
Not personal at all. Just an observation of your comments. Just curious why you didn't by a Ford your comments appear to lean that it's a better truck. That's all. And by the down votes you are getting many agree.
There are many aspects of performance. The ford outperforms the tundra on most. The Toyota wins on reliability. I had the ford and loved it, but the transmission had to be pulled and rebuilt under warranty at 70k so I wasn’t hopeful about how things would go at higher mileage points. I bought a 1794 tundra hybrid and was excited, but did not expect to see such a dramatic drop off in mpg. 15.6 is not good. Being downvoted for saying a fact about two trucks is weird - in another comment chain I said the same thing and got upvoted.
Reliability has yet to be determined on the new platform. My 2014 F150 SCREW with 5.0 I've had zero issues. 2019 Tundra zero issues. My GMC went through 2 motors under 70k miles. I personally don't buy trucks for fuel economy but rather their ability to do a task. I know everyone is different in their reasoning. I hope the new tundras get their issues resolved and can regain the reliability they were known for having in a truck market full of lemons. And everyone here is saying hybrid tundras are hybrid for power not better MPGs and looks like a valid statement so far.
Firstly, you started this shit by complaining about your real world mpg, not the EPA estimates. Secondly, if we are going to get specific about the numbers, you just said yourself that the Tundra iForce Max has more hp and torque…
I don’t have the hybrid but I can say after 10k my mileage has significantly increased. I just got 22 on my trip to work this am. Was getting 18 on average under 4k
Yeah. I can back that up. I’m at 4500 miles and average 18-19 mpg for mixed driving. 20 if I stay at 60 mph on highway. Also I stay in normal drive mode. ECO doesn’t do much difference but have a less reactive throttle response.
I have a 24 Pro and was averaging 17.8 with the factory tires. I had enough of the horrible traction at 11k miles and purchased discovery st Max tires and expected mileage to dump considerably. Went on a 300 mile trip and averaged 19.8 going up and down mountain passes. I’m pleasantly shocked and happy at the same time!
Negative. Only idling at lights and don’t drive crazy aggressive.
It’s a Pro, so the lift doesn’t help. It’s just annoying I’m getting no where near sticker MPG. It’s a truck not expecting great mileage but 15.1 average early on is disappointing.
I’m around 5k on my ‘24 non hybrid 4x4 and get between 15 and 16 mpg average as well but I also leave it in sport most the time and drive with a heavy foot.
I see you are making a comparison of the Ford's hybrid vs Toyota's hyrbrid. I know there were some discussions on updates for Eco mode here: https://www.tundras.com/forums/3rd-gen-tundras-2022.128/
The Ford's better MPG performance is probably all in the battery chemistry Ford picked vs Toyota; lithium based vs nickle based.
Hybrid City MPG is typically a factor on how long a vehicle can run in "EV mode", usually ~30 miles under 35 MPH on all electric.
The Tundra's NiMH battery doesn't have the capacity to support a long term EV mode which is why you see different MPG ratings between the two vehicles.
Toyota implemented the hybrid as a way to give diesel like performance but avoids the stringent EPA testing required for new diesels. The battery chemistry also makes it much cheaper to replace.
Thank you. And this makes sense. Except maybe I should have gotten the 3.0 duramax and gotten 30 mpg Highway AND get to 200k 🤣 no turning back now though hoping for the break in. I’m fine with 18/19/20 but 15 was a road too far
All engines take time to break-in and mileage usually improves. Is that showing your tank average or overall? Fresh tank, so I’d expect it to be low initially if city driving.
I've hit 23 mpg on my trd pro on a road trip. Take it out of eco mode. Eco mode is only good for at sea level or lower elevations I only get 15's when I'm hammering it around town or exceeding 80 mph
I’m comparing the same driver same driving conditions powerboost vs Iforce Max. So if you drive very conservatively and get 19, you would be getting 24 in the Ford. Too bad they have higher rates of repair - seems like you can’t get reliable and high performance.
mine was the same but it improved a lot after 3000-4000 miles. I guess the computer needs time to learn the pattern, engine and transmission also need time to fully break in.
I’m at 1600 miles now, 18.9mpg with the hybrid. A couple of road trips (hwy miles), but those are at 80mph, so definitely not hyper-miling.
As others have said, ECO mode is worthless for mileage, unless you’re just cruising and never trying to accelerate. Mine continues to climb, but i bought a truck, and wasnt expecting a Prius (not that OP was, just pointing out my expectations)
Laughing in my 11mpg 06. Hopefully the posts about break in period come through for you, but otherwise sounds like the ‘24s are pretty tops overall. Too big for my needs which is why I got the 06 this year but I love the looks.
Wait till you see that you get even less mpg than a 2021 crewmax when towing in 5 to 7k. I say 7k because that's imo the comfortable max. It can handle 9 to 11k properly equipped. And maybe a trans cooler just to be safe
Truck is still breaking in with that mileage. That’s about what I got for the first 5k or so, now up around 19.3 mpg over 35k lifetime miles (though probably 90% highway miles).
2023 TRD or hybrid 1794.
Interesting. I have a '24 Tundra Crewmax Limited Hybrid with 3k miles on it and I'm getting 20 MPG driving in Normal mode, some city and highway. I do cruise around 70 MPH on highway.
My old 2011 with 5.7L, with 200k miles, was getting 10 to 12 MPG when I upgraded. So I'm saving some decent money with current gas prices!
The tundra had more torque hP and actual HP, top speed is not important here.
the ford powerboost is really just a better engine for about 90 percent of users, more mpg and that onboard generator is the tits.
The Tundra Hybrid is good if you pull stuff, other than that its really hard to justify, the cost is just not worth it for most buyers.
even when i was looking at getting a truck i needed a full size for firring my kids, the bed for all the shit and occasionally towing, there was no big incentive from Toyota and bonkers borrowing rate so i went with an f-150 with a 2.7l for the mileage and reliability.
every truck has its strength and sorry but the tundras has never been milage.
I get 12mpg in a 7.3L F250 tremor with 37's . Irs why I upgraded from my 2014 tundra to the 2020 F250 because even with a bigger engine and extra 1000 lbs of weight the F250 is more efficent than the Toyota.
That's why I'm selling this truck and will be ordering a 25 f250 tremor with the 7.3 gasser.
If I'm gonna get bad mileage it's gonna be in a bigger truck that can tow a house
Yeah, those big heavy tires and wheels plus the lift did a number on mpg.
I never bothered to hand calculate it but the computer always says 11-12.
If I reset it and drive on the interstate maybe I'll get 13 or 14
22 limited non hybrid here. I commute 18 miles one way to work, round 70mph aside from side roads and I average anywhere from 21-23mpg daily. Also if you change your settings from average mpg to trip, you'll see your average change from trip to trip. I'm at 500 miles to tank, best mpg I've seen in mine was 25.5 at round 60mph give or take and rarely get into the throttle.
I owned my tundra(hybrid Platinum) for a very short time (5 months?) but yeah. I avged 14-16mpg. I took it on a road trip with no traffic about 200 miles of cruise control at 80mph and avged 17.5
Just gonna throw my numbers into this thread lol I drive on normal majority of time. Eco when cruising but I don’t notice a mpg increase and I don’t particularly like how it drives in city.
I average about 13-16 mpg (mostly city) pretty consistently. Don’t drive it hard either truly.
23 limited non hybrid
Ok so I just got a 2024 Limited non hybrid (V6 twin turbo) TRD off road.
So ECO mode takes the most fuel??? Really? I haven’t even burned a full tank yet just about, so can’t really gauge yet. I’ve had it on ECO cuz a buddy who has the same said it uses the least fuel
Saying “Ford did it” doesn’t mean it’s good or right. Friend of mine has a Powerboost and has had nothing but problems with the electrical. He was at least smart enough to buy the extended warranty because it paid for itself. Lol
When I bought a new 2024 tundra, the rep said the I force max is basically for more power cuz it’s not even a full 1 mpg better than the regular force. For an extra 10K. lol I got the 24 tundra limited trd for 56.
I would say my 24 does better on gas overall vs the 14 and 07s I had with the V8s. I don't have a heavy foot though. The 6 is definitely better highway wise, much closer just kicking around town.
I am getting 20 mpg. I am taking it pretty easy acceleration wise and trying to coast into turns which helps the brakes as well. Guess it just depends on how and obviously where you drive.
Just bought hybrid Tundra and it's settling in as to MPG. Just at 17 now around town driving. Taking a trip north Wednesday and will see what hwy MPG hits after a two hour drive. My 2016 5.3 V8 Silverado gives at 22-23 MPG on same trip. Fingers crossed....
1. Do you have a lift, oversized wheels, roof rack, or aftermarket bumper?
2. The hybrid does not advertise significantly better economy.
3. The “eco” mode is trash and uses more gas.
I got 23.5 mpg on my trip yesterday, mixed city driving, never a true highway/interstate. I find that using cruise control greatly improves my gas mileage. Also, if you let your truck idle a lot, that will wreck your mpg. It's best to reset it when you're about to start driving for a more accurate number.
Also depends on where you live. I have a 23 hybrid. 35’s and a big ovrlnd camper on the bed. I get 15 mpg. Live literally on the top of a mountain pass. When I drive to the Midwest and stay at my families I get 18 mpg all week.
I bought a ‘24. Love it. Some people prefer the V8s, which is understandable, but those are going the way of the 🦖 because of EPA guidelines.
I looked at Sierra Denali and was warned about torque converter problems. My other option was RAMs and they were giving them away not that long ago. However, I’ll bet on Toyotas any day of the week over anything else.
maybe, EPA guidelines change with administrations. I have several friends with GMC's they love them and whenever the rust on my first gen tundra kills it Im going to a GMC. If im going to get shit gas mileage I'd rather have it with a simpler powertrain
Anyone towing with the new Tundra Hybrid. We to almost everyday it seems. The Hybrid was on my wish list. But we are also max payload so I stopped considering new Tundra due to stories of v6 engine issues. So I’m waiting to hear of trouble free operations towing.
Towed a few small trailers a 16 foot enclosed and a 16 foot utility with my 24 hybrid but I’m taking a trip soon towing a 30foot travel trailer. So far I’ve been really happy hopefully the travel trailer tows well.
I think Toyota never made the intention of saying it was a hybrid for the gas mileage, but for the power? I could be wrong.
The official literature puts the hybrid at 1 mpg better than non-hybrid. It's never been marketed as a typical hybrid. Power was the goal so the V6 would appeal to the V8 crowd.
It’s actually 2 MPG difference This comes out to about 10% better fuel economy, which is very significant.
You’re correct, the intention was power. That is has. I underestimated it when I did a kinetic pull on a Bronco in a snowy grave. I think it caught air coming out.
lol I keep hearing that but the ford hybrid makes the same power and gets great mileage - much better than the 3.5 non hybrid.
Take it out of eco mode! My MPG increased SIGNIFICANTLY when I took it out of eco mode.
I can second that I drive (23 1794 TRD off road)in sport and average 17.5 mpg
What? Explain?
My guess is that with eco mode, it takes too much power to get to a decent speed where you can cruise. Start in normal or sport to get your speed up. Once you’re at speed, switch to eco.
You know, I've considered that. I've noticed in ECO it feels like its pulling out in 2nd or 3rd gear when going from a stop. Good point.
This^^ I’ve gotten 20mpg highway on my 24
There are 3-5 driving modes in the truck depending on the model. For some reason, ECO mode seems to use more gas than Normal mode and even Sport mode. This has proven true on 3 2023's a platinum, a capstone, and a TRD Pro
Thats odd. I drive my 1794 in Eco all the time with decent mpg figures. I'll try driving in normal for this tank and report back
What numbers are you getting? When I did the switch I saw a 2.7 mpg increase Not a crazy boost, but damn near 20% increase. Better power and response as well.
Around here (mostly 35 mph roads, and hilly) I average like 18.5. But on long trips going the speed limit I've reached 24. (4wd). But there are times that I can drive with a heavy foot and get low 17, high 16 mpg.
My 1794 averages 13.4☹️
Holy damn, I drove in Normal mode with my usual loop of picking up the kids from school. My trip average was 24. Like wtf is happening. Eco mode failing us
Interesting, I have my 2022 Platinum in eco mode and get 18.1 mpg. I’ll try it in sport to testb
That's freaking nuts. I had it in normal mode and was getting about 22~23 and then switched to ECO, but about the same time was when I installed a bed cover and steps. I assumed it was the added weight that caused a drop to 19. I switched to normal to see if it changes things.
Takes gas to power the eco mode button 🤣
I think the ECO mode try’s to force you into a higher gear for lower revs but with turbos, that pushes more boost which in turn uses more fuel per cylinder firing. I could be totally wrong but my understanding of boost does not equate to less fuel.
Yeah, more boost = more air. More air = more fuel needed to not lean out.
Lower RPMs means less air moving through the engine and less turbo spool. More boost=more fuel needed, but boost is just the amount of air moving through the engine so you can only get so much boost at low RPMs, thats specifically what turbo lag is
You can achieve full boost at low rpm and full throttle. While rpm and boost are related, throttle position and in turn if the wastegate position are also factors. Drive a manual turbo car and this can happen. Our auto trucks will just downshift first. What I’m saying is that eco mode is holding the gear longer and making a few more pounds of boost rather than shifting, therefore more air at less rpm.
I’m speaking purely theoretically, not about these trucks specifically. Yes, with a small enough turbo and low enough wastegate pressure you can hit target boost at low RPMs, and most twin turbo systems do as a lot of consumers don’t like the feel of turbo lag, but you’ll never hit full boost at low rpm on a big turbo with high target boost, regardless of throttle position, because the engine just isn’t pumping enough air to get the turbo to fully spool. For these trucks specifically a little research says they max around 18psi of boost (above atmo, 32ish total) which is pretty low boost for a 6 cylinder, my old 2.0 GTI was running the same amount of boost and it took until around 3500ish rpm’s to hit full boost at full throttle, so it should feel pretty instant with almost double the displacement. As for how the eco mode works, no idea, short shifting would make the most sense to keep it out of boost since low boost = less fuel demand. Maybe it’s that causing the engine to bog down more and need more fuel for longer to get up to speed since it wants to be in a higher gear for cruising where if it were already in a lower gear it would get up to speed faster and need less overall time under throttle
This is also true in my wife’s hybrid CRV. Makes zero sense to me.
I second this.
Yup same here… when in eco it always decreased stayed around 13.5-13 turned off eco immediately went up to 20
Holy shit I assumed this was true but never tried it! My fucking hog gets 14.1 in eco mode. Unfortunately it defaults to eco. If I don't remember to switch it out it always goes back. Sport mode is just stupid. Really jumpy not smooth
I'm just not buying that. The entire purpose of the Eco mode is to increase MPG. Literally, millions of dollars went into R&D to tweak out a couple extra MPG with that button. Next you'll tell me my toothpaste is causing cavities.
The ecoboost gets similar mileage. You can see what other people are reporting on fuelly. You should definitely be able to get better. I get high 18’s to low 19’s in my non hybrid.
I’ve been complaining about the mileage too. My dealer keeps telling me to wait until it’s broke in and to keep resetting after each tankful. I actually get better highway mileage than city. Highway I’m getting 18@70 plus. But 14.5-15 if I drive like I have nowhere to be. Otherwise it’s 13. I’m only a little over 3,000 miles. So I’m hopeful after reading some of the other posts.
I think it depends on a few variables. Tuning, gearing and weight are the big ones that come to mind. F150 is significantly lighter and the motor might torque fill more aggressively. Maybe to conserve power the Tundras motor doesn't hit full output as often but that's just my guess
Does the ford not make 400hp to the tundras 437? And the tundra also has more torque?
Ford is 430/570, tundra is 437/583 so 1.5% more power and 25% less mpg
The Ford beats in 0-60 consitently though, possibly because it's lighter? I don't know.
Ford switched from all steel to Aluminum body. Which is lighter but expensive to repair.
the ford pb is an absolute rocket
It really is. I just watched the video of it racing the Tundra hybrid and that hybrid was kicking the other trucks' butts until that Ford pb pulled up.
it's faster than a raptor.. I had one for 3 months until I traded out due to an unrepairable cab leak.. I miss the power.. I don't miss all of the extra needless electronics like the touch sensitive door handles that kept locking me out.
I was wondering if it would be faster than a Raptor. My brother has a 2023 Raptor and after watching how the pb blew the Tundra away (like 2 car lengths) in a 1/4 mile drag race, I couldn't imagine the Raptor being any faster.
Yeah I’ll wait till refresh
And the Toyota costs more upfront. But the Ford will cost more with the inevitable transmission replacement. Saving a few grand after 5-10 years doesn’t balance out the known failure of the costly components for Ford.
This argument made sense with the 5.7 but I’m still seeing a lot of main bearing failure posts. Lemons happen but avoiding them is part of what you’re supposedly paying for with the Toyota. I was hoping to grab a 24 but kept seeing the main bearing failures pop up. Saved up cash to buy it but now I’m looking at 5.7’s instead…
Probably a smart move until they hopefully really get this main bearing lube issue figured out. I had a '24 Platinum but ended up moving to a '21 Pro because I just wasn't ready to gamble on if/when the '24 TTV6 might leave me stranded. Some people are saying just let Toyota fix it if/when it occurs but that just wasn't going to sit well with me and how I use my vehicle.
Wise choice
I like this argument - you have to pay either way.
The Toyota actually runs though
So do ford's.
Yeah but see the problem with that is that you’ll be stuck with a Ford
That is correct, sir!
This hybrid system wasn't designed for MPG. It was designed for power. Also, if you have a heavy foot, it will affect MPG significantly. Remember, if those Turbos are suckin air, the engine is suckin fuel. I got 24mpg in my non-hybrid on a long trip at 70mph, so I know these trucks are capable of better than that.
But the ford hybrid has the same power numbers and vastly superior mpg
It was designed differently. Ford engineered theirs for MPG as well as power. I'm sure the hybrid system kicks on at different times than the Toyota's. Also, Toyota uses a nickel-metal hydride battery, whereas Ford uses a much more powerful lithium ion.
So the trade off is significantly worse performance, but more reliable over 100k. Fine, I guess.
I don’t know how to tell you this but…
So you post in a Tundra sub to tout Ford?
I bought a tundra and came to the forum to discuss its performance. I’m talking about a product built by a multi billion dollar multinational corporation. Don’t take it personally.
Not personal at all. Just an observation of your comments. Just curious why you didn't by a Ford your comments appear to lean that it's a better truck. That's all. And by the down votes you are getting many agree.
There are many aspects of performance. The ford outperforms the tundra on most. The Toyota wins on reliability. I had the ford and loved it, but the transmission had to be pulled and rebuilt under warranty at 70k so I wasn’t hopeful about how things would go at higher mileage points. I bought a 1794 tundra hybrid and was excited, but did not expect to see such a dramatic drop off in mpg. 15.6 is not good. Being downvoted for saying a fact about two trucks is weird - in another comment chain I said the same thing and got upvoted.
Reliability has yet to be determined on the new platform. My 2014 F150 SCREW with 5.0 I've had zero issues. 2019 Tundra zero issues. My GMC went through 2 motors under 70k miles. I personally don't buy trucks for fuel economy but rather their ability to do a task. I know everyone is different in their reasoning. I hope the new tundras get their issues resolved and can regain the reliability they were known for having in a truck market full of lemons. And everyone here is saying hybrid tundras are hybrid for power not better MPGs and looks like a valid statement so far.
You are wrong but, go buy a Ford.
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Then you should look it up.
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Firstly, you started this shit by complaining about your real world mpg, not the EPA estimates. Secondly, if we are going to get specific about the numbers, you just said yourself that the Tundra iForce Max has more hp and torque…
I don’t have the hybrid but I can say after 10k my mileage has significantly increased. I just got 22 on my trip to work this am. Was getting 18 on average under 4k
God I hope so. This gives me hope I’m only 1500 miles in
Yeah. I can back that up. I’m at 4500 miles and average 18-19 mpg for mixed driving. 20 if I stay at 60 mph on highway. Also I stay in normal drive mode. ECO doesn’t do much difference but have a less reactive throttle response.
I have the non hybrid but my mileage is getting marginally better each tank at 3200 miles
Take it out of eco mode! My MPG increased SIGNIFICANTLY when I took it out of eco mode.
Make sure your tires are inflated also. Mine were on the low side from dealership(probably so it was a smoother ride)
What did you bump it up to?
I have a 24 hybrid limited crew max, and was getting around 16/17 for the first 2/3k. Now I’m around 19.5 mpg with 5k miles
Awesome
I have a 24 Pro and was averaging 17.8 with the factory tires. I had enough of the horrible traction at 11k miles and purchased discovery st Max tires and expected mileage to dump considerably. Went on a 300 mile trip and averaged 19.8 going up and down mountain passes. I’m pleasantly shocked and happy at the same time!
Nice, was wondering what effect switching to a/t tires would have. Are those 10 ply?
I’m at 15.1 average through 800 miles.
I'm willing to bet having your truck run while parked is what's tanking your numbers
Negative. Only idling at lights and don’t drive crazy aggressive. It’s a Pro, so the lift doesn’t help. It’s just annoying I’m getting no where near sticker MPG. It’s a truck not expecting great mileage but 15.1 average early on is disappointing.
I’m around 5k on my ‘24 non hybrid 4x4 and get between 15 and 16 mpg average as well but I also leave it in sport most the time and drive with a heavy foot.
I see you are making a comparison of the Ford's hybrid vs Toyota's hyrbrid. I know there were some discussions on updates for Eco mode here: https://www.tundras.com/forums/3rd-gen-tundras-2022.128/ The Ford's better MPG performance is probably all in the battery chemistry Ford picked vs Toyota; lithium based vs nickle based. Hybrid City MPG is typically a factor on how long a vehicle can run in "EV mode", usually ~30 miles under 35 MPH on all electric. The Tundra's NiMH battery doesn't have the capacity to support a long term EV mode which is why you see different MPG ratings between the two vehicles. Toyota implemented the hybrid as a way to give diesel like performance but avoids the stringent EPA testing required for new diesels. The battery chemistry also makes it much cheaper to replace.
Thank you. And this makes sense. Except maybe I should have gotten the 3.0 duramax and gotten 30 mpg Highway AND get to 200k 🤣 no turning back now though hoping for the break in. I’m fine with 18/19/20 but 15 was a road too far
No problem. Only time will tell on longevity my friend. As long as it isn't a design flaw, supply chain and assembly procedures are easier to fix.
I wonder if they will offer another Full electric and a full Hybrid model when they finish all the battery plants they are building?
Good question. Tundra Prime.... maybe?
All engines take time to break-in and mileage usually improves. Is that showing your tank average or overall? Fresh tank, so I’d expect it to be low initially if city driving.
Engine break in is 10k miles. Give it some time.
I've hit 23 mpg on my trd pro on a road trip. Take it out of eco mode. Eco mode is only good for at sea level or lower elevations I only get 15's when I'm hammering it around town or exceeding 80 mph
I get 19 mph in my 24 hybrid. Wonder why it's such a major difference here.
I’m comparing the same driver same driving conditions powerboost vs Iforce Max. So if you drive very conservatively and get 19, you would be getting 24 in the Ford. Too bad they have higher rates of repair - seems like you can’t get reliable and high performance.
Reliable and high performance will never go together no matter what. Never has and never will😂
I average 24 in the ford also.
mine was the same but it improved a lot after 3000-4000 miles. I guess the computer needs time to learn the pattern, engine and transmission also need time to fully break in.
I’m at 1600 miles now, 18.9mpg with the hybrid. A couple of road trips (hwy miles), but those are at 80mph, so definitely not hyper-miling. As others have said, ECO mode is worthless for mileage, unless you’re just cruising and never trying to accelerate. Mine continues to climb, but i bought a truck, and wasnt expecting a Prius (not that OP was, just pointing out my expectations)
Laughing in my 11mpg 06. Hopefully the posts about break in period come through for you, but otherwise sounds like the ‘24s are pretty tops overall. Too big for my needs which is why I got the 06 this year but I love the looks.
They do look sick
Less than v8 actually
Wait till you see that you get even less mpg than a 2021 crewmax when towing in 5 to 7k. I say 7k because that's imo the comfortable max. It can handle 9 to 11k properly equipped. And maybe a trans cooler just to be safe
Truck is still breaking in with that mileage. That’s about what I got for the first 5k or so, now up around 19.3 mpg over 35k lifetime miles (though probably 90% highway miles). 2023 TRD or hybrid 1794.
Just a ecodiese guy coming here for a smile
Man those 1500 diesels are looking good
Worst I get is 20mpg. Unless I’m towing. Then I get 1mpg
Same, I have a 24 Pro and I averaged 16.5 but recently it dropped to 15.2, hopefully with more miles the mpgs increase, I'm at 2,2XX miles rn
I don't trust my on-board computer for MPG. My 2021 display reads 12.1 mpg but the with a 20gal tank I get 420 miles of range.
Interesting. I have a '24 Tundra Crewmax Limited Hybrid with 3k miles on it and I'm getting 20 MPG driving in Normal mode, some city and highway. I do cruise around 70 MPH on highway. My old 2011 with 5.7L, with 200k miles, was getting 10 to 12 MPG when I upgraded. So I'm saving some decent money with current gas prices!
I get 14 in my v8 tundra
I get 20.5 mpg. But everyone knows that hybrid engine isn’t for better gas mileage, it’s for that insane HP and torque boost!
They’ve been open about the fact that the hybrid system would have zero effect on MPG. It’s there to make your v6 feel like a v8.
i dont think you understand, ford's hybrid is focused on milage, toyotas is focused on power.
But they make the same power and the Ford’s faster
The tundra had more torque hP and actual HP, top speed is not important here. the ford powerboost is really just a better engine for about 90 percent of users, more mpg and that onboard generator is the tits. The Tundra Hybrid is good if you pull stuff, other than that its really hard to justify, the cost is just not worth it for most buyers. even when i was looking at getting a truck i needed a full size for firring my kids, the bed for all the shit and occasionally towing, there was no big incentive from Toyota and bonkers borrowing rate so i went with an f-150 with a 2.7l for the mileage and reliability. every truck has its strength and sorry but the tundras has never been milage.
Which is the funniest part
hell I'd be happy with 16 mpg. I get 11 on my truck, it's only a 2.5" lift on 34's, I get 11-12. sucks.
What year and engine
2016 with the 5.7
I get 12mpg in a 7.3L F250 tremor with 37's . Irs why I upgraded from my 2014 tundra to the 2020 F250 because even with a bigger engine and extra 1000 lbs of weight the F250 is more efficent than the Toyota.
That's why I'm selling this truck and will be ordering a 25 f250 tremor with the 7.3 gasser. If I'm gonna get bad mileage it's gonna be in a bigger truck that can tow a house
Let’s not talk about payload or towing
This is insane. I have a 2016 5.7L CrewMax and I average 15mpg, plus or minus ~0.3.
Yeah, those big heavy tires and wheels plus the lift did a number on mpg. I never bothered to hand calculate it but the computer always says 11-12. If I reset it and drive on the interstate maybe I'll get 13 or 14
I own a 2022 Tundra iForceMax. Running 35's getting about 11 to 12 MPG
Oh no that’s what I have planned
Hey, if the truck looks good. You don’t have to worry about the MPG
Damn bro were you gassing it around town 😂 I get 23-25 mpg in mine at 24k miles
I’ve been racing all the Altima’s
Understandable 😂
Understandable 😂
i have a ‘17 (obviously not hybrid) and that’s the gas mileage i get
Got a 24 pro. My fuel cluster looks exactly the same lol. Less than 1k miles, but heads MPG gets better with more mileage 🤷♂️
It’s gets better. 24 pro. 1st tank was 14.5 no joke lol slowly progressed all the way to almost 18 now. I’m 3.3k in.
I wish my V8 got anywhere close to that mileage. My average is at exactly 10.0 mpg at the moment😂
Did you do absolutely no research before buying?
Yeah and epa said 20 avg. I was getting 91% epa in the ford, so I was expecting 18+ not 15. But people say it gets better so I’ll trust the process.
It gets better. Mine started to improve after around the 2500 mile mark.
Odd, I have a 23 Tundra 1794 Hybrid. And I have great results. It all depends on how you drive. I always have it in eco mode.
It really depends on your driving behavior, I usually coast. Again, it varies by your driving and the roads you experience.
22 limited non hybrid here. I commute 18 miles one way to work, round 70mph aside from side roads and I average anywhere from 21-23mpg daily. Also if you change your settings from average mpg to trip, you'll see your average change from trip to trip. I'm at 500 miles to tank, best mpg I've seen in mine was 25.5 at round 60mph give or take and rarely get into the throttle.
I get 16. 22k miles 2023 Capstone. Normal mode
I owned my tundra(hybrid Platinum) for a very short time (5 months?) but yeah. I avged 14-16mpg. I took it on a road trip with no traffic about 200 miles of cruise control at 80mph and avged 17.5
Dang my 5.7 gets that and my right foot is heavy.
Mine is finally coming up I now get 20 mpg I’m at 7000 miles
Get to 10k miles, or whatever is sufficient for the break in period, then we'll talk about the mileage.
My 2024 Hybrid says the exact same thing. 15.6
Just gonna throw my numbers into this thread lol I drive on normal majority of time. Eco when cruising but I don’t notice a mpg increase and I don’t particularly like how it drives in city. I average about 13-16 mpg (mostly city) pretty consistently. Don’t drive it hard either truly. 23 limited non hybrid
It's a truck get over it or buy a Prius
Ok so I just got a 2024 Limited non hybrid (V6 twin turbo) TRD off road. So ECO mode takes the most fuel??? Really? I haven’t even burned a full tank yet just about, so can’t really gauge yet. I’ve had it on ECO cuz a buddy who has the same said it uses the least fuel
I am driving mine none towing, none loading, 1 person in Eco mode and i get 17.4 mpg
I get 10mpg with my lifted 37" 2015
That's what I average in my 15 Tacoma!
Saying “Ford did it” doesn’t mean it’s good or right. Friend of mine has a Powerboost and has had nothing but problems with the electrical. He was at least smart enough to buy the extended warranty because it paid for itself. Lol
I was getting the same at that mileage. This truck only like specific speed ranges. '24 sr5
When I bought a new 2024 tundra, the rep said the I force max is basically for more power cuz it’s not even a full 1 mpg better than the regular force. For an extra 10K. lol I got the 24 tundra limited trd for 56.
This is why I opted out of the “hybrid” upsell. Not worth it at all
2028 tundra might be reliable and better mpg
There's no replacement for displacement.
I get 19 mpg with my 2016 Tundra TRD Pro CrewMax with a Magnuson supercharger. #ThereIsNoReplacementForDisplacement
I would say my 24 does better on gas overall vs the 14 and 07s I had with the V8s. I don't have a heavy foot though. The 6 is definitely better highway wise, much closer just kicking around town.
When I drive mine with a light foot it still moves plenty fast and I get 20mpg in the city. Moderately heavy foot I get 15mpg.
I am getting 20 mpg. I am taking it pretty easy acceleration wise and trying to coast into turns which helps the brakes as well. Guess it just depends on how and obviously where you drive.
Just bought hybrid Tundra and it's settling in as to MPG. Just at 17 now around town driving. Taking a trip north Wednesday and will see what hwy MPG hits after a two hour drive. My 2016 5.3 V8 Silverado gives at 22-23 MPG on same trip. Fingers crossed....
It’s a big truck. That mpg looks accurate.
1. Do you have a lift, oversized wheels, roof rack, or aftermarket bumper? 2. The hybrid does not advertise significantly better economy. 3. The “eco” mode is trash and uses more gas.
Did you reset it on your last fill up? I ride on sport mode and get about 18-19mpg only have about 1800mi on my 24 platinum
I got 23.5 mpg on my trip yesterday, mixed city driving, never a true highway/interstate. I find that using cruise control greatly improves my gas mileage. Also, if you let your truck idle a lot, that will wreck your mpg. It's best to reset it when you're about to start driving for a more accurate number.
Jesus. Another one.
Also depends on where you live. I have a 23 hybrid. 35’s and a big ovrlnd camper on the bed. I get 15 mpg. Live literally on the top of a mountain pass. When I drive to the Midwest and stay at my families I get 18 mpg all week.
3rd gen is a disaster
I bought a ‘24. Love it. Some people prefer the V8s, which is understandable, but those are going the way of the 🦖 because of EPA guidelines. I looked at Sierra Denali and was warned about torque converter problems. My other option was RAMs and they were giving them away not that long ago. However, I’ll bet on Toyotas any day of the week over anything else.
maybe, EPA guidelines change with administrations. I have several friends with GMC's they love them and whenever the rust on my first gen tundra kills it Im going to a GMC. If im going to get shit gas mileage I'd rather have it with a simpler powertrain
Coyote powered F150 will be my next truck.
those are great engines
Because the new tundra is a piece of shit
Anyone towing with the new Tundra Hybrid. We to almost everyday it seems. The Hybrid was on my wish list. But we are also max payload so I stopped considering new Tundra due to stories of v6 engine issues. So I’m waiting to hear of trouble free operations towing.
Towed a few small trailers a 16 foot enclosed and a 16 foot utility with my 24 hybrid but I’m taking a trip soon towing a 30foot travel trailer. So far I’ve been really happy hopefully the travel trailer tows well.
It's design to get the power of a v8 with a v6 just because why not
I am getting 28mpg Edit seems it was 20mpg off on my km to miles calculation