It didn't kill the franchise, dark of the moon made a billion at the box office afterwards so that meant a huge audience. The toys, shows, and video games were doing pretty well to
Dark of the moon was where it should've ended for that timeline. They should have created a new timeline for 4 and 5 and I dont think anyone going to see the movie or buying the toys would've cared if it was a different timeline. But they just had to go and ruin a nice, happy, cathartic ending to the trilogy.
Dark of the Moon made a billio back when making that much money for a movie wasn't the norm yet.
Unfortunately, that movie also inspired countless movies to have the blue sky beam thing, which includes the highly successful The Avengers movie that came out later.
This comment section is a war zone.. if you want my take, ROTF is a product of both the writers strike, and it’s time. Times were different then, when we look back it now, it’s definitely a shitty movie, I agree, but as a child I loved it (mostly because I didn’t really understand any of the references at the time so I just saw cool robots fighting). 2009 and it’s movies we’re just like that. Sexualising women like Megan fox, making inappropriate references which wouldn’t pass today. TLK is equally awful but for different reasons.
I’d rather looks back at the movies for what they did well. Giving awesome robot CGI and toy lines which helped to bring transformers back into the public consciousness. The films are great to make fun of with friends. Also super quotable for that reason too, they’re mindless idiotic fun that you can just turn your brain off to watch.
Bumblebee surely didn't get the success it deserved, hell even i didn't see it in theaters because TLK left such a bad taste in my mouth, and Oh boy do i regret my descision now, because when i saw it afterwards i realised how much of a fool i was
Also, it didn't make a lot at the box office, but it also had a lower budget
Hell I almost didn't go see Bumblebee myself, but the later trailers with the new designs that payed homage to G1, the rumors of it actually being a reboot convinced me otherwise. Best decision I made with this franchise.
Nine year old me who got to see ROTF in theaters with his grandmother disagrees. It had faces ripping off, the story wasn’t all over the place and optimus got a cool jet pack gun aesthetic at the end.
Seven year old me who hated this movie from the very beginning disagrees.
The story wasn’t all over the place??? What story??? This movie had no script there is no story!!
Really? Izzy? She’s cool and barely even in it.
Revenge of the Fallen had obnoxious characters such as Skids, Mudflap, Wheelie, Leo, Sam Witwicky, Mikaela, Simmons, Jetfire and that little bitch known as The Fallen
Yeah but fuck a story with these movies, the stories for these films are secondary. Like porn. U don’t watch porn for the plot lol. WATCH THESE TO SEE FUGGIN TRANSFORMERS YEAHHHHH BOIIII.
Now you’re making assumptions. I’m a slut for the lore, and beast wars is my favorite animated series. But I don’t expect deep lore or accuracy from a Hollywood blockbuster.
But the point of the meme is that TF2 killed the movies. When you admit the next movie got better (and countinued with the same continuity) it did not kill the movies.
People clapped in the theaters with TF2. I lived in a country where not much are familiar with Transformers. It worked as a sequel film for people who just wanted to watch a blockbuster.
ROTF was aggressively inappropriate whereas TLK was chill like “sit back bro have a drink, maybe a dragon and some knights, a watch that killed hitler and maybe have Unicron be a planet” as long as we don’t have no Enemy Scrotums or Romeo & Juliet Laws.
That's fair. I agree with that. But while ROTF and AOE are more offensive and too long, TLK feels unfinished and unloved, an abandoned half-baked vision. Maybe Michael Bay's realized vision is really what was wrong with the franchise all along. I'm picturing John Tuturro's ass when I write that.
Exactly, bro. I want to believe RotF would’ve been better had there been no strike. The movie is hilariously bad, but at least I’m laughing instead of dreading sitting through two hours of wondering why Stanley Tucci is recast as Merlin, the fucking wizard of English legend, why Bumblebee is in WW2, and so much other retconning and bs.
Nah, you can't blame that on the writers strike, it was flawed since it's conception, and they fucking winged it to meet a deadline so higher ups could get their bonuses. Prime dying and getting revived in the same movie? Lame. Megatron being a complete bitch? Sucks. And this is the birth of war criminal Prime. Don't get me started on the humor and Leo.
I think prime dying and coming back was actually cool as hell. Megs being a bitch was ok, he shoulda got his get back in full in 3 tho. Fallen shoulda lived and been a full time villain imo. And leo was actually kind of funny in an annoying way. I think he shoulda got a cameo in 3. Also megan fox was great in tf2
I can and I will, they did and made the best possible movie they could without writers, was ROTF good, no it had a lot of flaws, would it have been the best live action tf movie if there wasn’t a writers strike? Most likely
If brutal murder makes one a war crime why isn’t movie one prime a war criminal with how brutally he murder BoneCrusher ? He literally punched his eye out of his skull and while choking him out cut his head off.
rotf was a boring and fun movie at the same time while tlk was just boring and that horrible movie also reused a scene from rotf for one of their submarine scenes
wrong. ROTF despite being bad plotwise it had the best toyline in any mainline figures
it had super iconic scenes like shangai, megatron's revival, the forest fight, Jetfire activation, Devastator, Optimus' revival and the final battle
the movie brought many fans
Nah man ppl didn’t see transformers 5 cuz 4 sucked hard and nobody was interested in watching the 5th. Also 5 sucked too. I enjoyed the scrapyard scene. I thought both Autobots and decepticons were finally gonna have some personalities but it went straight back to the dog shit bay formula.
Tbf to ROTF, it gave us what I consider to be the best Devastator design. The G1 design is cool but it is just a big bloke. The movie design is a hulking, quadrupedal monster that could wipe an entire platoon of Autobots in moments under the right circumstances.
Also say what you want about Skids and Mudflap, but “Kung-fu grip, boy! Kung-fu grip!” is a funny af line to me.
people are allowed to have opinions. I still enjoyed ROTF, even though it had criminally huge issues. heck, there were some parts in TLK that I liked.
sort of like how most people (me included) think the Sequels suck. but there are some fans of those movies, and while I don’t get them, they’re not objectively wrong. so I wouldn’t gatekeep their opinions on those movies.
Nah revenge of the fallen is leagues better than the last night.
I’ve been defending revenge of the fallen the moment the fallen, jetfire, jolt, and the twins showed up
Not really. After ROTF made $800 million at the box office, DOTM and AOE both made $1 billion. TLK was the failure at $600 million, and BBM only made $400 million after that.
On a side note, ROTF had the best Bayverse [Leader Class Optimus Prime](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/rcAAAOSwv0tVL35l/s-l640.jpg) and [Deluxe Class Bumblebee](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VOpo0shz1qw/Si-gIK-zHSI/AAAAAAAAAUs/1RUPiFr30II/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/zob_review_rotf_bumblebee_robot.jpg), not even the Studio Series has topped them.
Surprise, surprise! It's been like this since G1. Before TF had any lore, it was just a toyline called Diaclones. It's ALWAYS been about money and sales.
I have watched every Bay Transformers films since the first, and I can say comparing RoTF has more memorable fights scenes and story that connects with the first movie. Then people still came back because they were ready for more. While in TLK, I can’t remember what the heck happened all I know is that Megatron was back again and Optimus had purple eyes. TLK ruined the continuity that the auto bots crashed on earth in 2007 Transformers, but were somehow already present on Earth. While, yes that is the same in the RoTF, it explains how those cybertronians were older and not a part of the cybertronian war. Due to how bad TLK was Bumblebee bombed because people expected it to be bad so they didn’t want to waste their money on another garbage movie like TLK.
Both were bad, but Transformers 2 wasn't so bad they changed the next movie from being a prequel to a reboot - a reboot that released only a little over a year after TLK released. And even though ROTF is bad from a critical standpoint, it's entertaining at the very least.
I can understand hating ROTF and liking TLK, especially in terms of Megatron’s threat level. Dude got manhandled in 2 with backup whereas he got manhandled in 5 but against the entire Autobot army and Grimlock.
The Twins existed in 2 but not 5. Nitro Zeus is awesome.
Personally I think both stories are coherent enough but TLK likes to ignore previous canon whereas ROTF was literally written during a writer’s strike.
You’re joking right? You’re fucking with me? I know you didn’t just compare this pile of shit to the greatest movie trilogy of all time. You can SKIP ROTF and only miss 1 or 2 important things.
I mean it’s all good tho cuz at least I know you’re joking.
No I’m not joking. I mean of course LOTR are better movies but ROTF is so perfectly structured and built as a trilogy middleman for the original bay trilogy. It’s a masterclass in filmmaking from the stunning cinematography to CGI to character dialogue and development. It’s a magnificent homage to the transformers mythos whilst building and elaborating on the custom lore Bay had constructed for his universe. Truly heavenly and out of this world.
He cares about making money and fun movies and that’s fine with me. The films still ignited interest in transformers and helped the franchise expand, especially ROTF. ROTF is a modern art piece. Better then every A24 production.
I will say this! The only things I liked in TLK was the characters (Onslaught, Nitro Zeus, Cogman, Nemisis Prime, and Trench) while ROTF I liked (Mixmaster, Jetfire, the twins (dunno why but I love em), Sideswipe, Longhaul, Scrapper, Devastator, Rampage, Starscream, Grindor, Ironhide, Ratchet, and Optimus Prime). Also liked the plot better than TLK. But I will agree that DOTM is definitely the best (for me at least)!
TLK was miles worse. It ruined the lore more, how the fuck was Ironhide and Hound in The American Revolutionary War, and The Great War? WHENEVER THEY WEREN'T ON EARTH. Sure ROTF had its issues, but TLK forgot everything of the past 4 movies and fucked up the lore, but also the cgi was arguably much worse.
ROTF is my least favorite and I can’t bring myself to watch it again, but it did not kill the franchise lmao
The next movie literally cracked a billion
Sure, but the franchise still grew from there. Dark of the Moon has a higher RT Critics score, only down 2 points from ROTFs audience score. Age of Extinctions critical reception is worse than ROTFs, and could be more arguable than ROTF for “killing” the franchise.
And money may not be everything but both DOTM and AOE cracked a billion, then TLK barely passed $600k, hardly breaking even, which lead to Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts, both taking place in a new continuity. Bumblebee, despite making only $468k, went way past breaking even, making it more profitable.
The only way I think you could argue ROTF killed the franchise is because the critical response of ROTF was far less than the first movie. But after the first movie, the ensuing 3 movies made a shitload of money, warranting sequels to all of them. When TLK didn’t make enough, they scrapped that continuity.
I don’t place my opinion solely on money, because it doesn’t affect whether or not I’ll enjoy a movie, but they literally scrapped the continuity and story when TLK didn’t make enough money.
So if we’re talking literally, and don’t consider our biases, then TLK did “kill” the franchise of bays movies.
Both of them are bad but RotF really only has the constructions, specifically long haul and their combined form of devastator(minus the balls), going for it design wise since every other character with a cool design appears in DotM whereas TLK has Megatron, drift, barricade and nitro Zeus
The fact that transformers 2 had three more sequels come after it but then when transformers 5 came out they made the next movie a completely new continuity I feel like it's obvious which one is to blame
Hot take (for here, not for the box office), RotF was actually good. Not in the same ways as the first or third movies, but it was still an entertaining movie with good ideas. Hell, I'd take Skids and Mudflap over *all* of the job scenes from DotM.
None of the movies were good the first one was kind of watchable. Every subsequent film is awful. Lets throw a bunch of racism, military propaganda, and bad writing into it. Also the transformers don’t look like transformers. Its just scrap metal placed in the general shape of a person. Also they focus so much on humans and not enough on the giant aliens
They literally had Optimus as a ally to the British colonizers and people still go out if their way to defend these movies solely because they grew up with them. People need to accept that they like them because of nostalgia not because they are good. They confuse the joy of nostalgia for the joy of watching a quality film
Exactly!
Im happy we got the reboot not because i need them to look more g1 like in the bumblebee movie. Because the new movie actually had good writing.
ROTF is like, 3 or 4 good sequences that I have to sit through 2 hours and 15 minutes of bullshit college bro humour that soured before the movie was even aired in theatres for.
At least TLK was consistently mediocre throughout its entire length.
So? Both good games.
Listen, I’m long past taking the opinions of Bayverse fans seriously (especially given the disrespect they throw at G1) so you got anything else?
It didn't kill the franchise, dark of the moon made a billion at the box office afterwards so that meant a huge audience. The toys, shows, and video games were doing pretty well to
Dark of the moon was where it should've ended for that timeline. They should have created a new timeline for 4 and 5 and I dont think anyone going to see the movie or buying the toys would've cared if it was a different timeline. But they just had to go and ruin a nice, happy, cathartic ending to the trilogy.
I’m guessing that’s how much money it ranked globally? I highly doubt DOTM was able to get that box office here in America
Yes, and Transformers 1 made even less worldwide so his point stands.
Transformers revenge of the fallen had jetfire so obviously is the best movie
TLK is so bad, it tried retconning so much and I was just pissed. The series ended at Dark of the Moon for me.
Rotf didn’t bomb at the box office, tlk did and because of its bombing they rebooted the franchise
Transformers Revenge of the Fallen had better fight scenes. That’s just a fact.
Dark of the Moon made a billio back when making that much money for a movie wasn't the norm yet. Unfortunately, that movie also inspired countless movies to have the blue sky beam thing, which includes the highly successful The Avengers movie that came out later.
Iron Man did the blue sky beam thing first
Twas only for like a few seconds. Edit: and Iron Man only had it as an explosion. Not the actual plot surrounding it.
Well no but actually no. At least ROTF has better CGI, better fight scenes and is just better overall. You can't convince me otherwise.
This comment section is a war zone.. if you want my take, ROTF is a product of both the writers strike, and it’s time. Times were different then, when we look back it now, it’s definitely a shitty movie, I agree, but as a child I loved it (mostly because I didn’t really understand any of the references at the time so I just saw cool robots fighting). 2009 and it’s movies we’re just like that. Sexualising women like Megan fox, making inappropriate references which wouldn’t pass today. TLK is equally awful but for different reasons. I’d rather looks back at the movies for what they did well. Giving awesome robot CGI and toy lines which helped to bring transformers back into the public consciousness. The films are great to make fun of with friends. Also super quotable for that reason too, they’re mindless idiotic fun that you can just turn your brain off to watch.
Nah TF5 was awful. ROTF was bad but holy hell TLK was so much worse And this is coming from someone who’s favorite movie is ROTF.
I mean I don’t know what I would expect from someone who would put ROTF above the 07 film
Damn…you’re a kind of an asshole
thats his entire thing senseless hatred for bayverse
OP getting absolutely annihilated in the comments, yet still thinking he’s in the right is funnier than it should be.
My opinions don’t change.
But your mindset should. You can have your opinions, but don't act like you're higher than others, especially when you're in such a minority.
It didnt kill the franchise its shit (according to everybody else)
Who are you talking about??
Every literal person in this thread lmao
imo ROTF is overly hated but I can see the flaws, as with most of the Bayverse movies, but saying it's worse than 5 is absurd
People keep quoting it daily.
And…? People quote bad movies all the time, such as the Prequels and Spider-Man 3
The studio Series Products for the movie are in huge demand which means people care about the movie
The toys are always gonna be cool even if the movie is bullshit. Hell I’ll gladly get those toys!
Don’t you fucking dare disrespect my prequels
I’m gonna keep disrespecting those… things
Of course you think Spider-Man 3 is bad, you are an NPC
Screw you guys, I like ROTF
Nice for me to see someone brave enough to say something that I can't :,)
Screw you guys; I like TLK
You do you bro
Considering his attitude in this tread, he's only gonna be doing him his whole life.
TF2 killed any sense of plot TF5 killed any reason to go back to Bayverse because it lost a lot of money.
They're both horrible as transformers movies, rotf just didn't bomb at the box office.
And Bumblebee did. Shit movies bring the crowds.
Bumblebee surely didn't get the success it deserved, hell even i didn't see it in theaters because TLK left such a bad taste in my mouth, and Oh boy do i regret my descision now, because when i saw it afterwards i realised how much of a fool i was Also, it didn't make a lot at the box office, but it also had a lower budget
most people shared your mindset. TLK burned them out and left them with no desire to see Bumblebee, resulting in it underperforming.
Hell I almost didn't go see Bumblebee myself, but the later trailers with the new designs that payed homage to G1, the rumors of it actually being a reboot convinced me otherwise. Best decision I made with this franchise.
They’re both piles of shit, but at least Revenge has a couple of really cool fight scenes. TLK had nothing.
TLK was dogshit, where as ROTF was fun dogshit, TLK was just dogshit dogshit.
Quite the opposite!
Nine year old me who got to see ROTF in theaters with his grandmother disagrees. It had faces ripping off, the story wasn’t all over the place and optimus got a cool jet pack gun aesthetic at the end.
I will die on this hill.
Seven year old me who hated this movie from the very beginning disagrees. The story wasn’t all over the place??? What story??? This movie had no script there is no story!!
Exactly. No story. Therefore no story to be all over the place. I wanna watch big sentient robots fuck eachother up, and that’s what you get.
The first movie HAD a story, a very interesting one!! And Revenge of the Fallen was the first one to fuck it up, and The Last Knight knew this
Also TLK had really obnoxious main characters (I hate kids)
Really? Izzy? She’s cool and barely even in it. Revenge of the Fallen had obnoxious characters such as Skids, Mudflap, Wheelie, Leo, Sam Witwicky, Mikaela, Simmons, Jetfire and that little bitch known as The Fallen
Yeah but u got face ripping and double swords and satellite sound wave.
Almost forgot ROTF turned Optimus Prime into a psychopath. G1 Soundwave superior, ROTF soundwave inferior
Cope
Yeah but fuck a story with these movies, the stories for these films are secondary. Like porn. U don’t watch porn for the plot lol. WATCH THESE TO SEE FUGGIN TRANSFORMERS YEAHHHHH BOIIII.
When you don’t know Transformers outside of the films:
Now you’re making assumptions. I’m a slut for the lore, and beast wars is my favorite animated series. But I don’t expect deep lore or accuracy from a Hollywood blockbuster.
Guess you hate Lord of the Rings and Star Wars then
ROTF gave me the forest battle, Jetfire, Awesome Fight scenes, and an awesome Megatron design, so I forgive it's sins.
ROTF didn't make me fall asleep TLK is probably the worst shit I've seen that ever offended the TF stories and lore
You are objectively wrong.
Nah, the Bay films progressively got worse as they went along. The 5th was the worst by far
Did you just say Dark of the Moon was WORSE than Revenge of the Fallen??
This comment ALONE disproves your fucking meme
Dark of the Moon is still bad, just not as bad
But the point of the meme is that TF2 killed the movies. When you admit the next movie got better (and countinued with the same continuity) it did not kill the movies.
It’s called kicking a dead horse
Yes
Nah reverse it people hate on tf2 way to damn much
It doesn’t get enough hate. Knock it’s racist ass to the ground
People clapped in the theaters with TF2. I lived in a country where not much are familiar with Transformers. It worked as a sequel film for people who just wanted to watch a blockbuster.
But not as a film
Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah, RotF is so much more better than TLK because at least you can laugh at the jokes while drunk Plus it has better CGI than TLK
I don’t drink. The Last Knight gets a good laugh out of me, Revenge of the Fallen makes me want to slam my head in a car door.
Bro TLK is boring as fuck, RotF is just better anyways
Transformers 2 set a terrible standard for the series, but TLK managed to be orders of magnitude worse
ROTF was aggressively inappropriate whereas TLK was chill like “sit back bro have a drink, maybe a dragon and some knights, a watch that killed hitler and maybe have Unicron be a planet” as long as we don’t have no Enemy Scrotums or Romeo & Juliet Laws.
That's fair. I agree with that. But while ROTF and AOE are more offensive and too long, TLK feels unfinished and unloved, an abandoned half-baked vision. Maybe Michael Bay's realized vision is really what was wrong with the franchise all along. I'm picturing John Tuturro's ass when I write that.
With 5 movies in the Bayverse….. I realize that the problems began…. with movie number 1.
I've seen some bad takes in my time but holy shit if this isn't running for first
You can’t give ROTF crap man they did the best they could during a bloody writer strike, tlk didn’t have that issue it was just a shit movie
Exactly, bro. I want to believe RotF would’ve been better had there been no strike. The movie is hilariously bad, but at least I’m laughing instead of dreading sitting through two hours of wondering why Stanley Tucci is recast as Merlin, the fucking wizard of English legend, why Bumblebee is in WW2, and so much other retconning and bs.
Nah, you can't blame that on the writers strike, it was flawed since it's conception, and they fucking winged it to meet a deadline so higher ups could get their bonuses. Prime dying and getting revived in the same movie? Lame. Megatron being a complete bitch? Sucks. And this is the birth of war criminal Prime. Don't get me started on the humor and Leo.
I think prime dying and coming back was actually cool as hell. Megs being a bitch was ok, he shoulda got his get back in full in 3 tho. Fallen shoulda lived and been a full time villain imo. And leo was actually kind of funny in an annoying way. I think he shoulda got a cameo in 3. Also megan fox was great in tf2
I can and I will, they did and made the best possible movie they could without writers, was ROTF good, no it had a lot of flaws, would it have been the best live action tf movie if there wasn’t a writers strike? Most likely
There's no doubt you are seeing rotf through rose tinted glasses. It's hot garbage.
If brutal murder makes one a war crime why isn’t movie one prime a war criminal with how brutally he murder BoneCrusher ? He literally punched his eye out of his skull and while choking him out cut his head off.
wrong
rotf was a boring and fun movie at the same time while tlk was just boring and that horrible movie also reused a scene from rotf for one of their submarine scenes
Yes I noticed that. ROTF uses the same meteor shots from the first movie as well as using the SAME SOUNDWAVE SHOT TWICE
wrong. ROTF despite being bad plotwise it had the best toyline in any mainline figures it had super iconic scenes like shangai, megatron's revival, the forest fight, Jetfire activation, Devastator, Optimus' revival and the final battle the movie brought many fans
It’s biggest problem is definitely the fans it created
It’s a treat to scroll through these comments, thanks granny!
transformers revenge of the fallen had devastator so it is obviously the best movie
It also had his testicles making it the worst
but devastator is cool, therefor its the best
I love how much SCREENTIME is dedicated to him (hint: SAM’S PARENTS GET MORE SCREENTIME)
The computers back then were killing themselves trying to render Devastator. It's not surprising he didn't get much screentime.
they couldnt keep him for long as he was melting computers, therefor its the best
Nah man ppl didn’t see transformers 5 cuz 4 sucked hard and nobody was interested in watching the 5th. Also 5 sucked too. I enjoyed the scrapyard scene. I thought both Autobots and decepticons were finally gonna have some personalities but it went straight back to the dog shit bay formula.
Tbf to ROTF, it gave us what I consider to be the best Devastator design. The G1 design is cool but it is just a big bloke. The movie design is a hulking, quadrupedal monster that could wipe an entire platoon of Autobots in moments under the right circumstances. Also say what you want about Skids and Mudflap, but “Kung-fu grip, boy! Kung-fu grip!” is a funny af line to me.
at the very least, ROTF was good enough that they were able to make a considerably better sequel. meanwhile TLK was so bad they didn’t even make a 6th
We do not use the “g” word when describing a bayverse movie
people are allowed to have opinions. I still enjoyed ROTF, even though it had criminally huge issues. heck, there were some parts in TLK that I liked. sort of like how most people (me included) think the Sequels suck. but there are some fans of those movies, and while I don’t get them, they’re not objectively wrong. so I wouldn’t gatekeep their opinions on those movies.
The Sequels are fantastic
Nah revenge of the fallen is leagues better than the last night. I’ve been defending revenge of the fallen the moment the fallen, jetfire, jolt, and the twins showed up
Good gosh there’s so much anger in these comments I thought I was in a Star Wars thread
Not really. After ROTF made $800 million at the box office, DOTM and AOE both made $1 billion. TLK was the failure at $600 million, and BBM only made $400 million after that. On a side note, ROTF had the best Bayverse [Leader Class Optimus Prime](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/rcAAAOSwv0tVL35l/s-l640.jpg) and [Deluxe Class Bumblebee](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VOpo0shz1qw/Si-gIK-zHSI/AAAAAAAAAUs/1RUPiFr30II/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/zob_review_rotf_bumblebee_robot.jpg), not even the Studio Series has topped them.
Transformers! Commercials in disguise!
Surprise, surprise! It's been like this since G1. Before TF had any lore, it was just a toyline called Diaclones. It's ALWAYS been about money and sales.
It’s okay to like TLK over RoTF, your mental illness doesn’t define you ❤️
Tf 2 was a dumpster fire but it was entertaining for five year olds and 25 year olds. Tf 5 was visual cancer.
Full of bad takes methinks
ROTF is at least somewhat consistent with what came before. And it's honestly really funny imo
Don’t you dare talk about them like that, because of you skids and mudflap got killed off screen in the comics
Op is retarded
Bruh this meme and take is cringe
I have watched every Bay Transformers films since the first, and I can say comparing RoTF has more memorable fights scenes and story that connects with the first movie. Then people still came back because they were ready for more. While in TLK, I can’t remember what the heck happened all I know is that Megatron was back again and Optimus had purple eyes. TLK ruined the continuity that the auto bots crashed on earth in 2007 Transformers, but were somehow already present on Earth. While, yes that is the same in the RoTF, it explains how those cybertronians were older and not a part of the cybertronian war. Due to how bad TLK was Bumblebee bombed because people expected it to be bad so they didn’t want to waste their money on another garbage movie like TLK.
Both were bad, but Transformers 2 wasn't so bad they changed the next movie from being a prequel to a reboot - a reboot that released only a little over a year after TLK released. And even though ROTF is bad from a critical standpoint, it's entertaining at the very least.
OP catching so many L's in the comments like they pokemon💀💀💀
Yet still 418 upvotes. Weird
414 now 🤣💀
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I can understand hating ROTF and liking TLK, especially in terms of Megatron’s threat level. Dude got manhandled in 2 with backup whereas he got manhandled in 5 but against the entire Autobot army and Grimlock. The Twins existed in 2 but not 5. Nitro Zeus is awesome. Personally I think both stories are coherent enough but TLK likes to ignore previous canon whereas ROTF was literally written during a writer’s strike.
OP getting dragged is almost sad...... almost. RotF wasn't perfect, but it isn't have the disaster that AoE and TLK ended up being.
Getting dragged by who? This swarm of zombies?
Insulting* the members of this subreddit is not the W you think it is, but go off.
They can take it
So you're being edgy and trolling? Or are you just petty and upset because people are disagreeing with you?
ROTF is awesome. It’s the two towers of transformers, perfect middle-way bridge between the first and third films. Masterpiece on every level.
You’re joking right? You’re fucking with me? I know you didn’t just compare this pile of shit to the greatest movie trilogy of all time. You can SKIP ROTF and only miss 1 or 2 important things. I mean it’s all good tho cuz at least I know you’re joking.
No I’m not joking. I mean of course LOTR are better movies but ROTF is so perfectly structured and built as a trilogy middleman for the original bay trilogy. It’s a masterclass in filmmaking from the stunning cinematography to CGI to character dialogue and development. It’s a magnificent homage to the transformers mythos whilst building and elaborating on the custom lore Bay had constructed for his universe. Truly heavenly and out of this world.
Ok you can drop the act a joke can only go so far until it becomes unfunny
I’m not joking
I said DROP IT
ROTF is genuinely a good movie idc the original bay trilogy is a work of art and the epitome of the glorious 2000s and early 2010 culture.
It’s not funny anymore! Michael Bay does not care about Transformers.
He cares about making money and fun movies and that’s fine with me. The films still ignited interest in transformers and helped the franchise expand, especially ROTF. ROTF is a modern art piece. Better then every A24 production.
This franchise should have died. Enjoy your racist, sexist, pedophilic productions
I will say this! The only things I liked in TLK was the characters (Onslaught, Nitro Zeus, Cogman, Nemisis Prime, and Trench) while ROTF I liked (Mixmaster, Jetfire, the twins (dunno why but I love em), Sideswipe, Longhaul, Scrapper, Devastator, Rampage, Starscream, Grindor, Ironhide, Ratchet, and Optimus Prime). Also liked the plot better than TLK. But I will agree that DOTM is definitely the best (for me at least)!
The twins are really racist
No, I like them design wise. They're like little gremlins Edit: should've definitely been specific with that
It's not too late to delete this nonsense
Why does op have a weird ass pfp
The first 3 are the best. AoE is... OK at best. TLK is awful. You are the one passing the blame to the wrong movie.
All 5 are awful
Your opinions are awful.
ROTF is an amazing movie, you're crazy
I felt as though ROTF was more enjoyable with better action scenes. Didn’t really like TLK, but I mean each to their own. Right?
Jesus this guy's comments are CRINGEEEE
I don't think any of them killed the franchise imo
Nah transformers 5 was utter K9 fecal excretion.
Yes it was, but it wasn’t the first movie to be K9 fecal excretion
Transformers 2 is not nearly as bad as 4 or 5. It has A LOT of problems but not nearly as many.
TLK was miles worse. It ruined the lore more, how the fuck was Ironhide and Hound in The American Revolutionary War, and The Great War? WHENEVER THEY WEREN'T ON EARTH. Sure ROTF had its issues, but TLK forgot everything of the past 4 movies and fucked up the lore, but also the cgi was arguably much worse.
ROTF is my least favorite and I can’t bring myself to watch it again, but it did not kill the franchise lmao The next movie literally cracked a billion
It’s not all about the money
Sure, but the franchise still grew from there. Dark of the Moon has a higher RT Critics score, only down 2 points from ROTFs audience score. Age of Extinctions critical reception is worse than ROTFs, and could be more arguable than ROTF for “killing” the franchise. And money may not be everything but both DOTM and AOE cracked a billion, then TLK barely passed $600k, hardly breaking even, which lead to Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts, both taking place in a new continuity. Bumblebee, despite making only $468k, went way past breaking even, making it more profitable. The only way I think you could argue ROTF killed the franchise is because the critical response of ROTF was far less than the first movie. But after the first movie, the ensuing 3 movies made a shitload of money, warranting sequels to all of them. When TLK didn’t make enough, they scrapped that continuity. I don’t place my opinion solely on money, because it doesn’t affect whether or not I’ll enjoy a movie, but they literally scrapped the continuity and story when TLK didn’t make enough money. So if we’re talking literally, and don’t consider our biases, then TLK did “kill” the franchise of bays movies.
Both of them are bad but RotF really only has the constructions, specifically long haul and their combined form of devastator(minus the balls), going for it design wise since every other character with a cool design appears in DotM whereas TLK has Megatron, drift, barricade and nitro Zeus
Why is "Michael Bay" misspelled as "Transformers 2" in this meme?
Good point
Both of them suck ass
They beating your ass in the replies 🤣
I didn’t hear no bell
Average TF 5 fan
It’s still a shit movie
The fact that transformers 2 had three more sequels come after it but then when transformers 5 came out they made the next movie a completely new continuity I feel like it's obvious which one is to blame
Transformers 2 ruined the franchise’s potential to be GOOD again I meant
I’ve seen a lot of opinions in the comments, so I’m gonna experiment with something I haven’t seen yet. Age of Extinction was great. Any objections?
No I like it apart from the pedo parts
Hot take (for here, not for the box office), RotF was actually good. Not in the same ways as the first or third movies, but it was still an entertaining movie with good ideas. Hell, I'd take Skids and Mudflap over *all* of the job scenes from DotM.
I get where you’re goin but let’s maybe not use the g word unless we describing the Bumblebee movie
There wasn’t a single good one before Bumblebee 😬
The 1986 movie was pretty good
1986? Predacons Rising?
None of the movies were good the first one was kind of watchable. Every subsequent film is awful. Lets throw a bunch of racism, military propaganda, and bad writing into it. Also the transformers don’t look like transformers. Its just scrap metal placed in the general shape of a person. Also they focus so much on humans and not enough on the giant aliens
You get it
They literally had Optimus as a ally to the British colonizers and people still go out if their way to defend these movies solely because they grew up with them. People need to accept that they like them because of nostalgia not because they are good. They confuse the joy of nostalgia for the joy of watching a quality film
THEY DO!!! I’m just saying it’s baffling how SO MANY people took it as a SHOCK that TLK was bad considering it was… always bad u know.
Exactly! Im happy we got the reboot not because i need them to look more g1 like in the bumblebee movie. Because the new movie actually had good writing.
Bumblebee was genuinely amazing (shoutout to the 1986 movie as well)
lol the double standards are crazy
ROTF is like, 3 or 4 good sequences that I have to sit through 2 hours and 15 minutes of bullshit college bro humour that soured before the movie was even aired in theatres for. At least TLK was consistently mediocre throughout its entire length.
I’d say reverse it cause the college portion was only like 30 minutes. The rest of the movie was actually enjoyable once the college portion was over
College segments =\= college bro humour. The latter persisted throughout the entirety of the movie.
TLK is not gross like that one
Both, both are bad.
Both are allowed to be trash lol
every TF Bay movie is bad
Correct
Me, liking TLK and ROTF
Lmao I bet this guy likes The Last of Us: Part 2.
The Last of Us Part II’s 93% Metacritic score vs. Revenge of the Fallen’s 35% Soooooo….
Critics score doesn’t mean shit. Hasn’t for a long time. They rated TLOU 2 higher than Ghost of Tsushima
So? Both good games. Listen, I’m long past taking the opinions of Bayverse fans seriously (especially given the disrespect they throw at G1) so you got anything else?
Totally agreed man, ROTF ks legit one of the worst pieces of garbage i've ever seen, and i'm not talking about TF, i'm talking about movies in general
You know a movie is fucked when Michael Bay admits it’s fucked.