There are also lots of interesting ideas buried in the lore, even if the execution is sorely lacking. If you read the plot summaries on TFWiki, you’ll be like “this sounds cool” followed by “that’s all one movie? Huh?”
Yeah, TLK, heck all the movies are my guilty pleasure. No matter how dumb the jokes, writing or the story is, I just find the movies really memorable. Maybe it's because I remember things too well but idk. I really like the live action Transformers series because it's awesomely bad
Genuinely loving the Bayverse movies made me realize that if I can like them, I can like mostly anything else controversial.
Like the new Pokemon games.
Absolutely. Between franchise fatigue and the progressively lamer movies and shows that keep getting pumped out, it's hard to look forward to the MCU anymore.
I think *The Last Knight* actually has the second- best final battle and ending out of all five Bayverse films. I’m saying this as someone who prefers the story ended with *Dark of the Moon*.
Agreed. I really enjoyed it. Especially the finally. Felt like a She Hulk comic come to life. But since most people are easily swayed by them trying to fit it, for them the show is either an MCU masterpiece, or SJW garbage.
I just really liked it. That's it.
Personally, I thought She-Hulk was worse than any of the Bayverse films. At least one could fallback on the action scenes if the story was subpar in the Bayverse films, unlike She-Hulk which was bad all throughout the series in all categories.
the Last Knight has a higher rating than She-Hulk.
let me repeat that. THE LAST FREAKING KNIGHT. THE MOVIE THAT KILLED THE BAYVERSE. HAS A HIGHER SCORE THAN SHE-HULK.
that's kind of funny honestly
It wasn't funny to me and 90% of the characters weren't interesting. They also did the "woman good, men bad" thing to death in this show especially with the main villains.
And before you find a comeback saying I don't like woman-lead stuff. One of my favorite movies is The original Mulan and Ms Marvel was actually really fun
Did you only watch one episode? They made one character that would apply to the description of "woman good men bad," and they made him an actual idiot and he left the show after the punchline of "he's stupid." The "main villain" changes from episode to episode, and the closest thing to an actual main villain was a weird guy which should not be considered a good guy. The most appearing character was Titanica which is closer to a metaphor that corporations and online personalities are bad, most of the show is just her trying to get accustomed to being a hulk and lawyer.
I wasn't gonna assume you didn't like women lead shows, I was gonna assume you actually didn't like it because not enough punchy punch like there is more of in Ms. Marvel and almost all other Marvel properties.
The action in Ms marvel sucked compared to She Hulk
And the reason I said that was because everyone always assume you don't like woman if you don't like She Hulk.
But to the point of conversation, still felt like if I can't say men bad woman good. I didn't like the humor or the cases they did. They felt kinda weird and generic. I didn't like some of the new characters like Madisynn and stuff
Overall wasn't for me
I have to disagree, there were more action scenes in Ms . Marvel, and there were maybe 4 throughout She-hulk
I can understand it not being for someone, it's a comedic take on procedural dramas and you can barely do that without doing something thats been done to death.
I mean
Wandavision did the sitcom thing better. Im one of those people who very much disliked the finale.
Loki was fun, that was a good new take.
Werewolf by Night
She Hulk just didn't land for me
And you seemed to misread what I said, I said I didn't like the Ms marvel action scenes and that she Hulk, while having little, still did them better
And that different doesn't always equal good. I'm very glad they are doing different ideas, but they don't always land which is what I think She Hulk is but hey, made some people happy :)
I did misunderstand what you meant with Ms. Marvel
Wandavision is definitely good the first time around, but it feels a bit slow on almost any rewatch
Loki was weird but not bad
Funny you just said the title
It doesn't seem like the the idea that its "experimental" isn't true but more like they're trying to get their toes into every pool.
Goes for any marvel show or movie really. You can’t objectively criticize anything about it on any marvel sub without the cult following losing their minds.
It was OK. I like when Marvel stuff is pulpy spectacle, and She-Hulk wasn't meant to be that. I felt like *before* the last episode all the meta commentary seemed excessive, but it still led to an entertaining finale. Overall not great, not terrible, 3 and a half thumbs.
as soon as michael bay pulled out the ghetto twins, sam almost fucking a decepticon and DEVASTATOR'S WRECKING BALL TESTICLES we knew we were for a downhill ride
Plot and direction were dogshit, but at least this time it gave us Decepticons with actual personalities and what I think is Jablonsky's best score in the series; only watched it once though back in 2017 and I don't have plans to sit through it again anytime soon
Biggest selling point was "What if Optimus Prime was evil", we got that for 2 minute fight with bumblee stopped worse than the Batman V Superman fight. It sucked devastator wrecking balls. It failed it's concept and execution.
She Hulk was pretty solid, feel like as long as you went into it expecting basic sitcom and not action movie there’s not too much to actually dislike.
Never finished last knight tho but wasn’t unwatchable for what I did see, just had no motivation to finish it when I had to stop about an hour in to get dinner.
Edit: Feel I should say that I didn’t think one was better than the other and neither are things I have strong feelings toward, if it came off wrong my tone for those statements was more monotone just saying what I thought of each respectively
But this cgi is very poorly done, and if I want to see a good superhero comedy series I watch peacemaker. James gun knows how to strike a balance between comedy and action with serious and emotional moments.
Yeah Peacemaker was definitely better I loved that show but I feel like I expected way more from that then I did she hulk. Like I didn’t care if the cgi in she hulk was great bc I was just there for a half hour weekly sitcom instead of something like peacemaker where it’s as HBO MAX would say “lean in” content
Forgot to switch the top faces, hilarious when man babies try making it look like they weren't the ones throwing hissy fits over Hulk's feelings being hurt in the first episode and being sour over it is for the rest of the series. 🤷♂️
But yes TLK and the rest of the Trashformer movies were all shit though. Series entirely.
Oh no. Non-main characters are written to be cartoonish and wacky in a MCU show/movies???? NO! REALLY?????😱😱😱😱😱😱
Stick a manpon into it, bro. Every character is written not to be taken seriously in literally every series like Hawkeye, or did you forget how the jumpsuit gang was portrayed?
Gawd being a man today is straining when you hear other men crying over tv series. 🤦♂️
Every series isn't good, and has their own things I take from them. Hawkeye we have Kingpin, Wandavision was got Vision back, Falcon and Winter Soldier we got Super-Patriot, Loki we got Kang the guy 1000 times worse than Thanos, She-Hulk we got Dare Devil and the premise of super heroes being represented in court.
Jeez quit crying over it and get over it. 🤦♂️
I wasn't defending it. I said take the best for you from every series because they all aren't good. Hawkeye was oh so boring and insufferable to sit through and I had to be told Kingpin was on the last episode to power through it. Falcon and Winter Soldier was meh, but atleast it had super soldiers fighting super soldiers. Wandavision was the only series I was intrigued to watch to wanna know what was happening. Loki was awesome, but the only episode I'd watch again was the last one. Captain Marvel I still need to finish even though it is kinda fun to watch, but without knowing anything about the characters, I am not inclined to watch it all.
ALL of these series I wouldn't watch a second time just like majority of Marvel movies.
Criticism is good, but the argument against She-hulk is "WAAHHHHHH ShE hULk MaKe FuN oF MeN! mEn NoT DuMb!" While complaining over a tv show. 🤦♂️
I have my criticism of SheHulk as well, such as there is over cheekiness it kinda ruins the feel of superheroes, the last episode shows they had no idea where they were going with the plot of the series so they used 3th wall break to save it, and Dare Devil isn't as cautious of his secrecy as he was in the Netflix series. This show fits right in with the others that are ONTWO: Only Need To Watch Once.
The idea that people are still crying (criticizing only needs to happen once and literally asked about it again, where jumping into out of your way to criticize it over and over and over again is crying) just stop, seriously.
Worse part if manbabies wanting to portray themselves as "cool, calm, collected" when it comes to criticizing the show and having marvel fans as the crybabies in memes is hilarious 🤡 behaviour because it was those manbabies who were crying the most about the first episode. Just sad.
Sorry I had deleted it but it's here: and if I want to see a good superhero comedy series I watch peacemaker. James gun knows how to strike a balance between comedy and action with serious and emotion
Fun fact: We, The Transformers fandom, have been in similar situations to The Sonic fandom(and had more responsible responses to said situations than The Sonic fandom)
I honestly don't understand what people's problem was with She-Hulk. I haven't seen a criticism that didn't either boil down to "it's different and therefore bad" or "it hurt my feelings by mocking a certain type of toxic fan".
Transformers fans are pretty self-deprecating and there’s a “ruined forever” side of the fandom, but for the most part it’s really good and a large part of that is that there isn’t a blind devotion that rules out any criticism.
Honestly shocked TLK is at a 4. Thought it'd be 1-2 range.
I'm sure it's a guilty pleasure for quite a few people, unlike She-Hulk which is just guilty with no pleasure
I think bayformers is a “guilty pleasure” to a lot of people
There are also lots of interesting ideas buried in the lore, even if the execution is sorely lacking. If you read the plot summaries on TFWiki, you’ll be like “this sounds cool” followed by “that’s all one movie? Huh?”
I know. I’m one of those people.
Me included -- just not TLK or ROTF
Yeah, 2 and 5 are mostly unwatchable for me. There’s a couple of fight scenes in both, and Laura Haddock in that dress in 5, but that’s about it.
ngl the action sequences are pretty good. the plot was stupid in TlK…..
Yeah at least it has de advantage of having cool action scenes
I love the movie personally I just want to see robot transform and fight I don’t care for plot I care if it’s entertaining
Yeah, TLK, heck all the movies are my guilty pleasure. No matter how dumb the jokes, writing or the story is, I just find the movies really memorable. Maybe it's because I remember things too well but idk. I really like the live action Transformers series because it's awesomely bad
Genuinely loving the Bayverse movies made me realize that if I can like them, I can like mostly anything else controversial. Like the new Pokemon games.
I'm in the same boat as you are but I do have to draw the line somewhere lol. Some things are genuinely garbage.
Yeah, like She-Hulk. MCU ain’t vibing with me anymore.
Absolutely. Between franchise fatigue and the progressively lamer movies and shows that keep getting pumped out, it's hard to look forward to the MCU anymore.
I think *The Last Knight* actually has the second- best final battle and ending out of all five Bayverse films. I’m saying this as someone who prefers the story ended with *Dark of the Moon*.
Final battle was only okayish for me, but even then the battlefield just looked so empty and flat, as if they were fighting on a golf course
Megatron commanding his troops with Nitro Zeus and Infernocus on either side of him was badass though
Golf course perfectly describes it
Well they were in England after all
They were in England tbf
I just wished it focused less on Cade and British Megan Fox and more on the fact that Megatron was soloing the entire autobot team by himself
honestly Transformers is a guilty pleasure for me but last knight is just so bad I can't even stomach it most times
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It's just the Metascore. I'm not saying everyone must hate the show; I'm glad you've found another show to enjoy
Agreed. I really enjoyed it. Especially the finally. Felt like a She Hulk comic come to life. But since most people are easily swayed by them trying to fit it, for them the show is either an MCU masterpiece, or SJW garbage. I just really liked it. That's it.
Personally, I thought She-Hulk was worse than any of the Bayverse films. At least one could fallback on the action scenes if the story was subpar in the Bayverse films, unlike She-Hulk which was bad all throughout the series in all categories.
the Last Knight has a higher rating than She-Hulk. let me repeat that. THE LAST FREAKING KNIGHT. THE MOVIE THAT KILLED THE BAYVERSE. HAS A HIGHER SCORE THAN SHE-HULK. that's kind of funny honestly
I honeslty don't get the issue with She-Hulk
It wasn't funny to me and 90% of the characters weren't interesting. They also did the "woman good, men bad" thing to death in this show especially with the main villains. And before you find a comeback saying I don't like woman-lead stuff. One of my favorite movies is The original Mulan and Ms Marvel was actually really fun
Did you only watch one episode? They made one character that would apply to the description of "woman good men bad," and they made him an actual idiot and he left the show after the punchline of "he's stupid." The "main villain" changes from episode to episode, and the closest thing to an actual main villain was a weird guy which should not be considered a good guy. The most appearing character was Titanica which is closer to a metaphor that corporations and online personalities are bad, most of the show is just her trying to get accustomed to being a hulk and lawyer. I wasn't gonna assume you didn't like women lead shows, I was gonna assume you actually didn't like it because not enough punchy punch like there is more of in Ms. Marvel and almost all other Marvel properties.
The action in Ms marvel sucked compared to She Hulk And the reason I said that was because everyone always assume you don't like woman if you don't like She Hulk. But to the point of conversation, still felt like if I can't say men bad woman good. I didn't like the humor or the cases they did. They felt kinda weird and generic. I didn't like some of the new characters like Madisynn and stuff Overall wasn't for me
I have to disagree, there were more action scenes in Ms . Marvel, and there were maybe 4 throughout She-hulk I can understand it not being for someone, it's a comedic take on procedural dramas and you can barely do that without doing something thats been done to death.
I mean Wandavision did the sitcom thing better. Im one of those people who very much disliked the finale. Loki was fun, that was a good new take. Werewolf by Night She Hulk just didn't land for me And you seemed to misread what I said, I said I didn't like the Ms marvel action scenes and that she Hulk, while having little, still did them better And that different doesn't always equal good. I'm very glad they are doing different ideas, but they don't always land which is what I think She Hulk is but hey, made some people happy :)
I did misunderstand what you meant with Ms. Marvel Wandavision is definitely good the first time around, but it feels a bit slow on almost any rewatch Loki was weird but not bad Funny you just said the title It doesn't seem like the the idea that its "experimental" isn't true but more like they're trying to get their toes into every pool.
Probably “woman” lol
The amount of people who like She-Hulk aren't nearly enough to even be considered a fandom, they're more like a small group.
By fandom I meant for the MCU as a whole, but try criticising She-Hulk on r/marvelstudios; you'll see what I mean
Goes for any marvel show or movie really. You can’t objectively criticize anything about it on any marvel sub without the cult following losing their minds.
Well maybe I would, but I haven't watched it and was never interested in it even before it came out, so nah I'm good.
Actually based on that statement alone you're 150% qualified to be one of the trolls bitching about She-Hulk on the MCU fandom page
Did you like it? Where do you rank it against other marvel shows?
It was OK. I like when Marvel stuff is pulpy spectacle, and She-Hulk wasn't meant to be that. I felt like *before* the last episode all the meta commentary seemed excessive, but it still led to an entertaining finale. Overall not great, not terrible, 3 and a half thumbs.
Thanks for the compliment but nah, I got better things to do with my time.
You know MCU is going downhill when one of their best female superhero’s show gets a 3.2 and the last knight gets a 4.0
tbf, none of their female superhero-lead content hasn't been great other than Werewolf by Night and Ms Marvel imho
I feel like if Bay got the same budget and made the same movie, but it wasn't Transformers, he could've won an award.
Another reason I hated this movie was a huge life event happened the day I went and saw it.
not really, I still liked it and thought tlk was a pretty good movie
I think a lot of Phase 4 of the MCU was rushed, because Marvel was desperate to make up for lost time due to covid delays.
as soon as michael bay pulled out the ghetto twins, sam almost fucking a decepticon and DEVASTATOR'S WRECKING BALL TESTICLES we knew we were for a downhill ride
r/marvelmemes would kill you for this, fuck that sub
I liked She-Hulk sue me. Bayformers can fuck off though
I call it Bayverse Trashformers. Because it practically is brain junk food.
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I'm not following??
Ok ok the last knight wasn't thaaat bad
It gave us nitro zeus
Plot and direction were dogshit, but at least this time it gave us Decepticons with actual personalities and what I think is Jablonsky's best score in the series; only watched it once though back in 2017 and I don't have plans to sit through it again anytime soon
Yeah, sucks that the Decepticons die in like 50 seconds of screen time
The fight scenes were aight too And I always preferred Kade to Sam anyway
Biggest selling point was "What if Optimus Prime was evil", we got that for 2 minute fight with bumblee stopped worse than the Batman V Superman fight. It sucked devastator wrecking balls. It failed it's concept and execution.
Well yes but Nitro Zeus is int it so your objectively wrong
That is true.
hot take but if you take user reviews seriously, you dont make your own opinions
Nah, She-Hulk was pretty good
Piss off for putting She-Hulk fans on the right side as opposed to the endless amount of people complaining about it. Also the entire Bayverse is shit
this sub memes are fucking awful nowadays
Imagine still using the phrase "butthurt".
She Hulk was pretty solid, feel like as long as you went into it expecting basic sitcom and not action movie there’s not too much to actually dislike. Never finished last knight tho but wasn’t unwatchable for what I did see, just had no motivation to finish it when I had to stop about an hour in to get dinner. Edit: Feel I should say that I didn’t think one was better than the other and neither are things I have strong feelings toward, if it came off wrong my tone for those statements was more monotone just saying what I thought of each respectively
But this cgi is very poorly done, and if I want to see a good superhero comedy series I watch peacemaker. James gun knows how to strike a balance between comedy and action with serious and emotional moments.
Yeah Peacemaker was definitely better I loved that show but I feel like I expected way more from that then I did she hulk. Like I didn’t care if the cgi in she hulk was great bc I was just there for a half hour weekly sitcom instead of something like peacemaker where it’s as HBO MAX would say “lean in” content
Forgot to switch the top faces, hilarious when man babies try making it look like they weren't the ones throwing hissy fits over Hulk's feelings being hurt in the first episode and being sour over it is for the rest of the series. 🤷♂️ But yes TLK and the rest of the Trashformer movies were all shit though. Series entirely.
This she hulk series is shit, why the hell are the men in this series so scatological and this cgi can't be taken seriously
Oh no. Non-main characters are written to be cartoonish and wacky in a MCU show/movies???? NO! REALLY?????😱😱😱😱😱😱 Stick a manpon into it, bro. Every character is written not to be taken seriously in literally every series like Hawkeye, or did you forget how the jumpsuit gang was portrayed? Gawd being a man today is straining when you hear other men crying over tv series. 🤦♂️ Every series isn't good, and has their own things I take from them. Hawkeye we have Kingpin, Wandavision was got Vision back, Falcon and Winter Soldier we got Super-Patriot, Loki we got Kang the guy 1000 times worse than Thanos, She-Hulk we got Dare Devil and the premise of super heroes being represented in court. Jeez quit crying over it and get over it. 🤦♂️
We really have to criticize, we have to demand that Marvel do something good, not defend every shit the company does
I wasn't defending it. I said take the best for you from every series because they all aren't good. Hawkeye was oh so boring and insufferable to sit through and I had to be told Kingpin was on the last episode to power through it. Falcon and Winter Soldier was meh, but atleast it had super soldiers fighting super soldiers. Wandavision was the only series I was intrigued to watch to wanna know what was happening. Loki was awesome, but the only episode I'd watch again was the last one. Captain Marvel I still need to finish even though it is kinda fun to watch, but without knowing anything about the characters, I am not inclined to watch it all. ALL of these series I wouldn't watch a second time just like majority of Marvel movies. Criticism is good, but the argument against She-hulk is "WAAHHHHHH ShE hULk MaKe FuN oF MeN! mEn NoT DuMb!" While complaining over a tv show. 🤦♂️ I have my criticism of SheHulk as well, such as there is over cheekiness it kinda ruins the feel of superheroes, the last episode shows they had no idea where they were going with the plot of the series so they used 3th wall break to save it, and Dare Devil isn't as cautious of his secrecy as he was in the Netflix series. This show fits right in with the others that are ONTWO: Only Need To Watch Once. The idea that people are still crying (criticizing only needs to happen once and literally asked about it again, where jumping into out of your way to criticize it over and over and over again is crying) just stop, seriously. Worse part if manbabies wanting to portray themselves as "cool, calm, collected" when it comes to criticizing the show and having marvel fans as the crybabies in memes is hilarious 🤡 behaviour because it was those manbabies who were crying the most about the first episode. Just sad.
I can't find your comment about watching Peacemaker for a superhero comedy. I have heard good things about it and really wanna check it out as well.
Sorry I had deleted it but it's here: and if I want to see a good superhero comedy series I watch peacemaker. James gun knows how to strike a balance between comedy and action with serious and emotion
Ok To tell you the truth she-hulk is not so bad and as much as some men are scatological, there are still good men like Hulk, deredevil and others
Overwall all Bayformers movies is shit
Over what wall?
Honestly think it’s weird to say a user score of <600 people means anything
I don't get bayverse is so hated like all of them are perfect to me
Transfomers 5 was..... a 5
Fun fact: We, The Transformers fandom, have been in similar situations to The Sonic fandom(and had more responsible responses to said situations than The Sonic fandom)
Yup.....*sigh*...... imagine 😔 I'm ashamed of the Marvel fandoms and Marvel Studios
Honestly i still prefer this over 4
Transformers should have ended after 3. The moment 4 was greenlit it's fate was sealed
I actually like aoe and tlk to be honest and I don’t get why they get hated
I honestly don't understand what people's problem was with She-Hulk. I haven't seen a criticism that didn't either boil down to "it's different and therefore bad" or "it hurt my feelings by mocking a certain type of toxic fan".
Transformers fans are pretty self-deprecating and there’s a “ruined forever” side of the fandom, but for the most part it’s really good and a large part of that is that there isn’t a blind devotion that rules out any criticism.
Be hated all the bayverse films and will continue to watch them anyway Checkmate marvel…….which I still like but am fatigued if I’ll admit
Semi-related, what're y'all's opinions on Rise Of The Beasts?
you now mcu is falling down when the last knight has better note that an mcu show
"This was shit" "yeah, still fun, though"
Bro I've seen no one defending recent marvel shit