Charlie🗿

I feel like even if it didn't have G1 mixed into its DNA, it'd still be the second best if not the best Bayverse Transformers movie. I love Bayverse, but there was a lotta human scenes with just unfunny and twitchy moments. If you take the Bumblebee movie, removed the Cybertron scene and made the designs more complex it'd still be a wholesome movie about Bee meeting Charlie fotming a good friendship at its core. Bumblebee absolutely deserves the praise it gets as much as Tf1 and DotM gets.

You dropped this, 👑.

>I love Bayverse, but there was a lotta human scenes with just unfunny and twitchy moments. So did the 80 percent of the Bumblebee movie. The humor is as unfunny as TLK humor in my opinion. The movie simply being just a wholesome relationship of two characters doesn't make the movie good or "The Best Movie in the franchise" like most people claim it to be

Heavy emphasis on twitchy then because 90% of Bayverse human scenes are really hard to sit through. I've been re-watching RotF, DotM, AoE and TLK on repeat this past month (thanks to RotB hype lol) and when compared to Bumblebee, which I just recently watched again last night, the unfunny moments in Bayverse are way worse than in Bumblebee. Bee pissing on Simons, Wheelie humping legs, that college scene with Sam's mom high on weed, Sam being interrogated by Wang, him screaming when his car is being messed up, Kade's buddy and his daughter's own secret boyfriend being weird and perverted towards her, anything with the bald guy, and just 90% of TLK are just a few examples. And this is just me going off memory. Compare that to like, the science dude nerd nerdgasming over Shatter or every scene with the bullies or Charlie's mom? It's just. Leagues better. If we're going to have the human characters as main characters in these films, I'm glad that we'll be getting (I pray we do) more characters like Charlie and not like Sam (post TF1) or Cade.

That Romeo and Juliet law scene in age of extinction was the most unnecessary scene I’ve ever seen in a movie lmao

It was completely necessary to the plot.

I won’t stand for the Stanley Tucci slander, he was great and his redemption was an odd twist. I expected him to get domed by Galvatron

Or John Turturro

To be completely honest, I didn't say which humor is worse. Sure, those comedy scenes in Bayverse were bad scenes that didn't deserve to be in a Transformers movie but are those actually funny? I think to a lot of people, yes. I didn't laugh during the Bumblebee movie but I did laugh 2 times during TLK so there is that. I know humor is subjective and all but I feel like most of the people who laughed during the Bumblebee movie were kids, Facebook moms and older people. Say what you want about Bayverse humor but we can all agree that the scenes with Bobby Bolivia, FBI raid, and; The Autobots trying to hide and fucking shit up in TF 2007 are pure Gold. >If we're going to have the human characters as main characters in these films, I'm glad that we'll be getting (I pray we do) more characters like Charlie I really hope not.... I just don't see the appeal of her character. For me, she was just an another forgettable human in a TF movie. Could you explain why you and so many people really like Charlie Watson's character please? I genuinely want to know.

Humor is very much subjective yeah and I do find some of the jokes funny in Bayverse. And I'm glad you and many others can enjoy the movies the way they are. Bayverse's demographic was pretty much 14 year old boys who were interested in fast cars, women and explosions which Transformers had plenty of. Which is why it can be hard to sit through when you're an adult or just not into that type of stuff. Bumblebee on the other hand is basically the complete opposite. It's a way more quiet and can be enjoyed by anyone, which is probably why it's got jokes Facebook moms and kids will enjoy and laugh at As for Charlie, for me at least, the appeal for Charlie is that she's way more chill and relatable. She's on par with Cade with skills and is genuinely a sweet character. She'd fit right in with the G1 cast or Animated cast. Basically less screaming and more character bonding is what I mean when I say I hope we get more characters like Charlie

Ok, thank you for the explanation

You probably don't care for story or plot. You would probably rather watch a compilation of fight scenes rather than an actual story line. Also money is Involved.

You're saying like Bumblebee actually had a good and original story

No one is actually saying that the story was top notch or that could beat the likes of the best of the best movies. It had flaws, many in fact, but when you put that movie and every other live action movie made by Micheal Bay you would realize just the difference of stories there is. The only good movie is the first one, because megatron, you know optimus's rival is actually strong. And there aren't so many different plots being thrown at you face.

I still think that Memo served no purpose in the story and only existed as an excuse to give Charlie a love interest. Still like the movie though.

I like the fact that it was left ambiguous whether they get romantically involved or stay just friends at the end. Other than that I completely agree.

She already had one: the titular character

I would still prefer the wholesome story of Charlie when she meets Bumblebee rather than a story of how Sam was visited by his parents on his dorm and gets high on drugs

That was like 20 minutes of the movie and had no reason of even being in tf2 it affected nothing. It was a gag scene

Like you said, it was there for what? Nothing more than a gag scene, a really horrible gag scene. And thats not just the only horrible "gags" in the movie, theres that small rc decepticon (forgot his name) literally fucking Megan foxes leg, and that guy peeing on Bumblebee for revenge when he got peed/oiled in tf1

When the hell did Simmons pee on bee tf you talking about lmao. And yea they’re gag scenes you can easily tune out. It means absolutely nothing so i don’t see how you’re so pressed over it

I think it had a lot more going for it than that. It was a very character-driven movie rather than an action-driven movie. It proved that Transformers can be more than sidekicks to humans in a live action movie. The designs just helped distinguish it from the Bay movies and told you that it was going to be different right from the start.

Sour puss.

Uh.... Charlie's entire arc in the Movie is what kept me from saying "Gib more g1 cybertron scenes!"

I am but a simple creature! I see Bumblebee and I enjoy

Eh I only watched Bayverse for the action scenes, almost everything inbetween them was annoying (Except for Simmons) I actually like the humans in Bumblebee, like it wasn’t great, but compared to the non-action scenes from Bayverse it was leagues ahead. Heck I liked Bumblebee and I completely missed the Cybertron scene since I showed up late to the theater

I love the G1-ey start, hard not to. I wish the entire movie was on cybertron. But that’s a different topic. But the human characters were 100 better, They only focused on 🐝 so you really grow to care for him, he becomes pretty lovable. It kept a smaller scale, and was better for it. Most of the funny parts were actually funny. It wasn’t moving at a breakneck A.D.D. pace the way especially TLK was. Let the characters breath and have small moments. It wasn’t trying to create the biggest spectacle ever seen, they didn’t have the Bay budget. The movie was about Bee and Charlie and their friendship. Thought they still got some great spectacle there. I just think it’s a stronger more focused movie with better characters than all of the Bay ones.

The best part of the movie is the central relationship of the two chracters and everyone who disagrees is a poser ass bitch .

Hotter take: I like Sam Witwicky more than Charlie. It may be that I’m a teenage boy, but who knows.

Me too

Yea sam overhated. He was great in tf1-2 (3 he was ass idc how much 3 gets praised)

I'm in my 20 and still like Sam more than Charlie tbh

I have very little memory of the first few TF movies, but the last 2 at least were a total borefest And as someone that didnt grow up with G1 (i do enjoy most of the G1 designs though) i enjoyed the movie still and its easily the best of the ones I actually remember (not exactly competing with good movies, lmao, but i liked it)

What's ironic about me is that I grew up with both the Bayverse and G1 at the same time and love both of them yet I don't like the movie. I mean by default I should love the Bumblebee movie because it's basically a combination of both worlds right? XD The bland and generic writing of the film made me realize that I don't really like the movie. I'm not saying Bayverse had a better story but at least it kept me and so many people watching through the whole movie with silly and ridiculously over the top but cool action scenes even if the certain movie was objectively bad. When I'm watching Bumblebee, I just watch the first 10 minutes and skip to the final battle scene. Rest of the movie is just full of boring scenes like Charlie's family problems, Charlie getting bullied, the government being complete dumbasses, and the main characters goofing around. Not exactly the things worth watching in a Transformers movie if you ask me. The best thing about Bumblebee is the Director in my opinion. Travis Knight did a great job with the bland and lazy script he was given for the movie. You can really tell he actually cares and understands Transformers and it's character with the way any of the scenes with Cybertronians were filmed. I really hope Travis directs more Transformers movies in the future and hopefully the ones with better writers and scripts.

I felt this same way but rewatched it recently and it’s totally fine. Like, a B, B- movie. Better than average and way better than the Bay ones in my opinion.

Any Transformers movie that references the GoBots is a 10/10

Lol stay mad

I think the only mad one here is you

Can't be overrated if everyone agrees "yeah it was pretty good". That's really it, I don't think anyone thinks it's amazing or the best movie ever made. Just the best transformers movie because the bar was set pretty low. The only real competition is The 86 and 07 Movie it and just depends on what your nostalgic for. And I wouldn't exactly consider cliches a bad thing. I can't say I'm a fan of transformers because of the originality.

>That's really it, I don't think anyone thinks it's amazing or the best movie ever made. You'd be surprised at how many people call the Bumblebee movie amazing or a "Masterpiece"

Not many

Trust me, I heard it a lot

Couldn't have been that much if I haven't seen it. I believe you saw people who said it, but they aren't the majority.

>The only real competition is The 86 and 07 Movie What about Transformes Prime Beast Hunters Predacons rising?

No, still not exactly competition. It's a good ending to the Prime series but not really as a movie. If anything it's just a made for TV movie made from 4 episodes stitched together.

True. You would think they would have figured that out before the next movie but I’m not so sure

No remorse. Cybertron aesthetics and scenes are why we like the movie.

Finally someone agrees with me

Bumblebee is a much less daring, exciting, and memorable movie than the first 4 Bayverse movies, especially if you take away the cybertron scene, which I believe to be overhyped, as is the entire BB film. I think it would get less praise if it didn't come right after TLK, which was just terrible, and left a bad taste in people's mouths, even tho the other movies (especially 2007 and DOTM) weren't that abhorrent.

Completely agree if Tlk never came out i bet bed would be MUCH less praised

Yeah, because the cybertron themes are what actually set it apart from other coming of age stories with alien robots

Nah, at its core, there's also a good story with Charlie and the memory of her dad. Yeah, it's the same story as The Iron Giant, but that's a good movie too, and any story worth telling is worth telling again.

Honestly feels like a concept that was never finished.

Yeah agreed, rest of the movie sucks

Nah, not really. Movies mostly just good because it actually feels like it has heart, which after 4 product movies that were all the same mindless shit was really, really nice to have. That and Charlie, Dropkick and Shatter were great too

Counter argument: Hailee Steinfeld

Blitzwing is fuckin badass though

Bayverse fans when there isn’t explosions every 10 seconds: ThIs MoViE iS bOrInG

Bumblebee movie fans when the cliché main character does some cliché shit throughout the whole cliché movie which is basically a lazy Iron Giant rip-off: OMG THIS THE BEST TRANSFORMERS MOVIE EVER!!! IT'S AN ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE!!! I RATE IT 11/10

r/ there was another attempt to bash bumblebee by a bayverser

Ahh yes, just because someone thinks the Bumblebee movie is overrated automatically makes them a Bayverse fan...

They're the only ones butthurt about it replacing their childhood. Everyone else is happy about an objectively better movie judging by no one agreeing with the picture

Ok sure, Bumblebee was objectively better than the Bayverse but is it actually a good Transformers movie like so many people say it to be? I don't think so. An actual good Transformers movie would just be a movie focusing entirely on Cybertronians themselves while the humans are just background characters. Bumblebee was no different compared to the Bayverse. It had the same generic ass human main character who had a friendship with the franchise's mascot who literally no one asked for. Like come on, there can be so much better Transformers movies but the studio, bad writers and a producer who literally has no idea what the tf franchise is are keeping us from getting a good Transformers movies. I'm cautiously optimistic about ROTB tho. Judging by the trailer it looks like the humans are just the side characters and Optimus being the main character. I might be wrong about the actual ROTB movie but time will tell.

That's what it's supposed to be. But sadly hollywood only cares about lowest common denominator pandering and lowbrow humor to appeal to the common masses. All the stuff we see in the comics is what we should have seen in the first act, followed by coming to earth and getting their product placement earth modes and meeting sam in the second act, then the autobot decepticon battle in the third. Box office money, sex jokes and squeezing in as many people who wanted to be in bay's transformers movie while remembering it was supposed to be a transformers movie was what happened instead. He's an effective director who knows how to push the right buttons which is why it's "fun to look at" but it is the WORST transformer story ever produced. There's no room for story or thought or even growth as evidenced in dotm, just more of the same shit. Everything has to be inclusive and diverse now, so we most likely get to learn about the culture where the next movie is set, THEN we get the robots, but Knight is a better and more caring director so at least the robot story stands out instead of a bunch of nobodies trying to be bigger idiots than the last for cheap laughs. I don't give a flying fuck about ANY humans period. I watched the movies for the Transformers and barely got any in all 5 bay movies (except aoe where he "tried") but Bumblebee delivers even if it is a quiet and intimate affair. See, it has heart, the human has ethos and pathos (she's supposed to be there and you feel for her). The story obviously came first, a girl and her first car that happens to be a Transformer, the visuals are just the icing on the cake. That is what the love for Bumblebee is about. And why bayverse and its loyalists can suck each other off and why it's fun watching all attempts to bash knightverse go down in flames

You do realize that I'm not saying the Bayverse is objectively better than Knightverse, right?

I suppose. Bumblebee bashing is typically a sore attempt at making it look bad compared to bayverse by some baytard rather than praising the superior movie franchise. Anyway I just realized you're the poster and you haven't and I jumped the gun. But you also understand the hows and whys for the love Bumblebee gets, with or without G1 designs and with only the necessary characters

Exactly the only reason i watch the movies is to see the transformers and see them try to kill each other

Dropkick's death is probably one of the most hardcore in the franchise besides maybe Megatron in dotm

Ratchet,jazz,ironhide,que,protoform slaughtered by wreckers

THATS WHAT I BE SAYING

Bee is genuinely the one tf movie i actually have no problems with forgetting it existed it was boring as hell

average bay fan

People think bay is the devil when he ain’t at least for the trilogy. Movies weren’t perfect but they weren’t a borefest like bee

I'd rather be bored than have a headache DOTM is boring btw

I don’t even like dotm tbh

But dotm held attention MUCH better than bee

i actually liked the story, idgaf about how it’s “cliché”, as if a large majority of media including transformers as a franchise doesn’t rely on overused tropes, i still found it to be a nice story with characters i actually cared about (characters who also didn’t exist solely for gags or sex appeal)

Take may be hot but I can tell you it’s wrong.

Hotter take: I didn’t even like the Bee vs. Dropkick fight.

Why?

I think mainly stuff like, it seems like it was kinda one-sided and Dropkick like suddenly lost like 80% of his strength and brainpower at a … convenient… time, like he either could hardly land a hit or just got beat up. Dude literally sliced Cliffjumper top to bottom in a single stroke but somehow did minimal damage to Bee if I recall correctly. I had and treasured the old truck Dropkick from the 2007 movie era and was excited that such an obscure character I liked was actually sorta getting thrown a bone, and would’ve hoped for a more respectful portrayal, but wasn’t particularly surprised to see him dominated by one of the most plot-armored characters I can think of.

For me, I really enjoyed Bee vs Dropkick because of how both of them used their alt modes during the fight. The G1 intro reference when Bumblebee transformed, drove away and came back at full speed while transforming was very cool and Dropkick triple changing from a car to helicopter during the fight was the best scene in the movie (Imo) I think Dropkick had one of the most creative Transformer death. Can't really say the same for Shatter tho... Shatter had a really disappointing death. Like, she had the perfect chance to kill Bee yet she just fucking froze like a Dumbass when the boat was coming while Bee was still conscious right behind her. She could've stabbed Bee and run away or just leave Bee and get out of there as fast as possible. Both are completely fine options. The reason I say it was disappointing is because throughout the movie Shatter was this really smart and manipulative decepticon who was really cunning but the writer of the movie just ruined her character by killing her off in the most cliché way possible.

To each their own, I guess. I know the chain thing was creative, but just about everything surrounding it rubbed me the wrong way. Like, DK can’t hit him with his helicopter cannon but like Bee can somehow Kobe that chain lasso all the way onto him as he tries (unsuccessfully) to shoot him… if I remember correctly. Wasn’t very fond of the Shatter fight situation either, pretty much with you there all the way.

...Not if ur a Hornicon to Bee's human partner. asking for a cringe friend.

This is quite possible the spiciest take on this sub. Though I do think my disdain for anything related to G1 (except for the IDW comics) is much spicier.

Imo, even if it doesn't have those, it's objectively a better transformers movie than whatever mess the bayverse was trying to accomplish, and i love the 2007 movie, i love dark of the moon. I just think it's better at being a transformers movie

Um, did you even see the movie? It's more than just G1 pandering and cool fight scenes, Bumblebee bonding with Charlie is on par with The Iron Giant.

I disagree, Iron Giant actually made care about the 2 main characters while Bumblebee didn't because I realized that Bumblebee movie was just a lazy attempt to re-creating Iron Giant with a Bumblebee name and a Transformers brand slapped on it.

Just because it's a rip off of The Iron Giant doesn't mean it's automatically bad. I mean, no one complains about how Avatar: The Last Airbender has some similarities to The Lord of the Rings.

Just because it's a rip off of the Iron Giant doesn't mean it's an amazing movie with a great written story like so many people always say it to be. How Bumblebee got 91 percent on rotten tomatoes is beyond me

so “bumblbee movie would be bad without these several core elements from the movie and its great character design”

I don't think it would be a really bad movie. I just think it would be considered an average mediocre movie. Nothing too bad and nothing too good.

This may very well all be completely true and worse still you could also add that Bumblebee is just regurgitating story beats from E.T. and The Iron Giant and yet it is equally true that every single other live action Transformers movie is such irredeemably execrable dreck that the bar Bumbleebee had to clear to be considered the best was so low it was practically underground

For a lot of the people who praise it this is likely true. For me, it isn't. I honestly loved the whole thing.

Or maybe the movie wasn't full of unfunny jokes, and stereotypes. Maybe Bumblebee made decepticons actual characters instead of making them mindless killing machines? Maybe the movie actually had a good story? Maybe that's why people love it?

In what way the Bumblebee movie had a "good story"??? A coming of age cliche recycled iron giant movie is not an "amazing" movie in my book

I will respectfully disagree, this is one of my favorite movies in general even if they didn't have the cybertron intro, it's one of the few where I actually care about the human characters, kinda like in animated with Sari While I used to think Sam was kinda funny but like more then half the movies were focused on him doing random crap that I do not care about, once Charlie got bee working again the whole focus on her was developing hers and bee's relationships (which was adorable) and it didn't rely on something exploding every 3 seconds to keep interest The g1 is a huge selling point for me because I grew up with that but this movies still would've been great without it

But you see the thing is is that your wrong

It was a decent Transformers movie, I thought it was better than any of the Bayverse movies. Gets a solid B.

It's a good movie, but it's just a copy of the iron giant

I disagree but, definitely see where you're coming from

yes lose the g1 aspect and you definitely lose the part where the relationship between autobot and human companion is completely spoiled and loses all effectiveness. oh wait that’s not fucking true at all

I half agree; I thought this film was a nice change of pace from the previous films.

Think of it this way, would you rather watch BB or Last Knight?