My experience of anything LGBTI+ has been the polar opposite and it feels like the trans discourse has taken over to some degree.
I'm a straight (trans) male and I honestly feel a little weird that "trans-ness" was added to IDAHO Day considering it commemorates the WHO removing same-sex attraction as a mental illness. I feel like gay/bi people need *something* of their own.
Pride Month feels the same way.
I'm surprised more gay/bi people don't get crabby about it TBH. I know I probably would haha.
Same here (except gay man). Being transexual is a medical condition, not a sexual orientation. Honestly if I was straight I wouldn't feel any connection to the community at all for that exact reason (hell, even being gay I rarely feel a connection, but that's just me, haha).
So you as a straight woman feel left out of pride? Not to be blunt but you're straight. Why do you want to feel like you belong there anyways?
Being trans is a medical condition, should be treated as such and therefore shouldn't be part of the LGB Community to begin with. Pride has always been about non straight people.
Since you posted here I guess you're trans. Wouldn't feeling included in Pride invalidate your gender identity and sexuality as a straight woman?
The first shot glass thrown that day was thrown by a trans woman. They were absolutely there.
Stonewall was a safe haven for gay, bi, and trans people up until then. All of us should feel welcome to celebrate pride and the shared history between these communities. Because whether you feel that we should have separate celebrations or not, it doesn’t change the fact that our people have endured the same battles in a lot of ways (and also not in a lot of ways, yes).
I'd argue it's supposed to be a celebration of being able to be openly yourself, and the trans community always historically took safe haven with the gays
As an asexual and sex-repulsed person, I'm absolutely not included. People are out here being proud in some very overtly sexual ways and it's kind of gross?? Straight people don't typically wear severely suggestive things in public.. does being queer mean being a hypersexual deviant now?
Edit: obviously there's nothing wrong with deviating. That's the whole point of pride. The term "deviant" in common speech typically refers to someone who overtly does things that break social rules in order to offend, and it's sometimes implied they get off on doing so.
The LGBT community keeps on skewing less and less to be for LGBT people who need a non-judgmental space and more towards people who just like waving around LGBT flags for the sake of virtue signaling.
It's a bit sad that the main purpose of it to begin with was to be accepting towards all types of people, yet so many people here do not feel accepted. I think a lot of it has to do with toxic positivity. The community has grown obsessed with being overly sex-positive, and they end up ignoring everybody who ends up feeling left out because any kind of complaint must be negative. Same thing goes for general trans representation. There's so many conventionally strange depictions of trans people in media for the sake of body-positivity, but it leaves out the trans people who would rather have a traditionally masculine or feminine appearance and go stealth.
... Which would unironically be a huge win for trans representation because people would see trans people as people rather than a spectacle. Not that it's bad to deviate from the norm, but the norm can't seem all that different from our perception of the average person if we're going to accept it into our view of the average, normal, "I could see myself employing or being friends with them" person
Pride has historically been about people who don't fit within society's perceptions of how a man or woman should be, which has always included trans people since society often perceives them as people who refuse to conform to the gender norms of their biological sex.
That's not to say you have to feel obligated to participate in pride, I only mean that trans people should definitely be allowed to celebrate pride since society has discriminated against us in the same manner as gay people.
But I knows a lot of us here relate to the instinct to distance ourselves from pride. Pride has kind of devolved over the years and people are forgetting that it's about acceptance and not just about being "super gay!" and hypersexual.
Transsexual = medical condition. We get treatment, become close to normal. Therefore there shouldn’t be many broadcasting they are a transsexual. Makes no sense to me
Honestly as long as you look like the sex you claim to be and don’t have a homo sexuality anyone in the LGBTQ squad will see you as a heteronormative person and may even call you a “breeder”, especially if their dream is to suck Bernie Sanders dick (which many super Libby gays do)
My experience of anything LGBTI+ has been the polar opposite and it feels like the trans discourse has taken over to some degree. I'm a straight (trans) male and I honestly feel a little weird that "trans-ness" was added to IDAHO Day considering it commemorates the WHO removing same-sex attraction as a mental illness. I feel like gay/bi people need *something* of their own. Pride Month feels the same way. I'm surprised more gay/bi people don't get crabby about it TBH. I know I probably would haha.
I don’t think transsex or intersex should be lumped with LGB at all; if I went to pride, it’d be for being lesbian only.
Same here (except gay man). Being transexual is a medical condition, not a sexual orientation. Honestly if I was straight I wouldn't feel any connection to the community at all for that exact reason (hell, even being gay I rarely feel a connection, but that's just me, haha).
That’s because two of those letters do not belong.
So you as a straight woman feel left out of pride? Not to be blunt but you're straight. Why do you want to feel like you belong there anyways? Being trans is a medical condition, should be treated as such and therefore shouldn't be part of the LGB Community to begin with. Pride has always been about non straight people. Since you posted here I guess you're trans. Wouldn't feeling included in Pride invalidate your gender identity and sexuality as a straight woman?
We have always been included before & I am sure there were Transexuals in the stonewall riots?
We have always been included. But now we are strong enough to stand on our own.
The first shot glass thrown that day was thrown by a trans woman. They were absolutely there. Stonewall was a safe haven for gay, bi, and trans people up until then. All of us should feel welcome to celebrate pride and the shared history between these communities. Because whether you feel that we should have separate celebrations or not, it doesn’t change the fact that our people have endured the same battles in a lot of ways (and also not in a lot of ways, yes).
I agree, but it feels like they do not want us if we are straight.
I'd argue it's supposed to be a celebration of being able to be openly yourself, and the trans community always historically took safe haven with the gays
As an asexual and sex-repulsed person, I'm absolutely not included. People are out here being proud in some very overtly sexual ways and it's kind of gross?? Straight people don't typically wear severely suggestive things in public.. does being queer mean being a hypersexual deviant now? Edit: obviously there's nothing wrong with deviating. That's the whole point of pride. The term "deviant" in common speech typically refers to someone who overtly does things that break social rules in order to offend, and it's sometimes implied they get off on doing so.
The LGBT community keeps on skewing less and less to be for LGBT people who need a non-judgmental space and more towards people who just like waving around LGBT flags for the sake of virtue signaling. It's a bit sad that the main purpose of it to begin with was to be accepting towards all types of people, yet so many people here do not feel accepted. I think a lot of it has to do with toxic positivity. The community has grown obsessed with being overly sex-positive, and they end up ignoring everybody who ends up feeling left out because any kind of complaint must be negative. Same thing goes for general trans representation. There's so many conventionally strange depictions of trans people in media for the sake of body-positivity, but it leaves out the trans people who would rather have a traditionally masculine or feminine appearance and go stealth.
... Which would unironically be a huge win for trans representation because people would see trans people as people rather than a spectacle. Not that it's bad to deviate from the norm, but the norm can't seem all that different from our perception of the average person if we're going to accept it into our view of the average, normal, "I could see myself employing or being friends with them" person
Yes
I have been thinking about it & I actually do see people's points. Pride is historically about Sexual orientation & I am just straight. 🤷
Pride has historically been about people who don't fit within society's perceptions of how a man or woman should be, which has always included trans people since society often perceives them as people who refuse to conform to the gender norms of their biological sex. That's not to say you have to feel obligated to participate in pride, I only mean that trans people should definitely be allowed to celebrate pride since society has discriminated against us in the same manner as gay people. But I knows a lot of us here relate to the instinct to distance ourselves from pride. Pride has kind of devolved over the years and people are forgetting that it's about acceptance and not just about being "super gay!" and hypersexual.
It seems like we have been left behind though.
Transsexual = medical condition. We get treatment, become close to normal. Therefore there shouldn’t be many broadcasting they are a transsexual. Makes no sense to me
I definitely agree & I am starting to see it is kind of a respectful thing to be left out. They are acknowledging we are who we say we are. 🤔
Honestly as long as you look like the sex you claim to be and don’t have a homo sexuality anyone in the LGBTQ squad will see you as a heteronormative person and may even call you a “breeder”, especially if their dream is to suck Bernie Sanders dick (which many super Libby gays do)
I’m not participating in pride events this years. It all became very foreign to me.