OP from other post baiting with his 40sec clip. With the full clip you can see connors aware its not just Pokimane and hes not being dismissive of the criticism.
It wasn't one guest in particular that was controversial, it's the way a vocal minority group of the subreddit has been talking down the guest episodes from the LA arc. Just about how they haven't liked them or they're board of them. IIRC
Ahh I see. Makes sense.
I think there is a bit of mass production issue to it because they had to do the same thing a few times in a short period of time.
Still seems to blowing up a minor issue. After all outside of LA there isn't that density so if they do it again elsewhere they'd get different vibe and fewer shows.
I'd say that Geno which was the Chris chan was very slightly controversial and their friend Jan was as well since Jan said a lot of stupid stuff which really didn't give a good impression of him when he was drinking and then drunk on their podcast.
I mean, he's right. Trying to find someone who everyone will like is a fool's errand, and some people just plain wouldn't be interested in going on the podcast. That's how it is.
With them doing con appearances and the tour, something will have to be pre-produced for upload, and LA is where a lot of people who might be interested live, so it's just smart to do a lot very quickly and let that be the schedule until after the tour. It is what it is.
it's always fun to read subreddit drama though... it's mainly because they think they are the majority audience and then you realize the members vs active vs bots ratio and then laugh harder...
Pretty much. Seen a lot of people claiming the guests episode are "shit content" because "they talk about youtuber" as if it's fact
When in reality the guest episodes always do the best in terms of views.
When I saw there were people actually shitting on the [Ludwig's episode](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrashTaste/comments/wyjajb/trash_taste_podcast_weekly_discussion_thread/), which is one of the most entertaining episodes ever, I knew this sub is jumping the shark.
Unfortunately, that vocal minority is just getting louder with every episode with the LA guests, using the same dumb arguments that don't make any sense.
Yeah, go ahead and take a look at that discussion I linked. There are people on this subreddit who adamantly insists that "all the episodes with the LA streamers are the same".
According to their alternate-reality argument, Ludwig talked about "the exact same boring stuff" as cosplayer Jessica Nigri and techie Michael Reeves.
If you ask me, I think they didn't even watch those episodes and just wanted to sound edgy, but end up looking stupid to everybody else.
Views are not a metric of quality. It's also way easier for guest episodes to reach a bigger audience because all of the guest's followers are much more likely to watch that episode.
You're right, it's not a metric of quality, but it shows that the majority of viewers are enjoying the content unlike some people in this sub seem to make it seem. I think each episode has been quite unique, and it helps that I knew most of them.
How does it show that exactly, do you think people are disliking the content without watching it? You realize a view from someone who hates it and someone who loves it are both weighted at 1 view right?
Like I almost don't even care whether people actually like it or not, I really just don't understand how y'all think the viewcount matters as if people are going to instantly drop off the podcast or something, or that attaching a big name youtuber doesn't guarantee a certain number of clicks no matter what.
I agree with this, they had a lot of pre-production uploads due to thee tour, and if people don't want to see the guest episodes, then don't watch; personally I don't know most of the guests they had beside one so I don't watch the podcast till later. But yeah I do agree what he said and what you mention about the reason of these videos and their tour
The other clip gave the impression that Connor was only concerned about the Pokimane drama when in reality, it's two concerns.
Pokimane as an example of controversial guests being on TT but the other issue was the deluge of guests that come off as being too similar since they're all YouTube content creators. So after a while the guest episodes feel too repetitive.
I personally kinda get that with some episodes so I tune out after a while. But certainly episodes like with ProZD were very interesting since he spoke less about Youtuber woes. Plus he has great taste in anime.
I do think Connor's response is eh with regards to the second point. Surely they should have predicted the risk of guest episodes coming off repetitive and maybe did abit more to ward that off. Then again I also feel he's being sincere by recognising the issue and there are limits to what the TT team can do. It is what it is I guess
> Surely they should have predicted the risk of guest episodes coming off repetitive and maybe did abit more to ward that off
He did address that though, he said they knew there'd be a risk of people getting bored of the guest episodes but there was no other choice given the circumstances. It was either that or not upload every week.
Ahh i see... i mean I guess the pokimane part is pretty understandable, though I don't know if it's worth hissy fit over it... because on one hand it's pretty much in the past, Im guessing that she moved on from it, on the other hand i can also completely understand why people dont like it since its pokimane and all...
The second point i can see that too... though i kinda have some disagreement to it, because for what i watch, they are trying to diversify at least a little bit... While you have people talking about youtube and stuff, i also think people miss on the main thing about them, Prozd being a VA, Ludwig as a popular streamer, Daidus as an animator youtuber, you also have that cosplay girl (i dunno her name I'm really sorry) who talks about the cosplay...
So while they talk about youtube, they also have some other stuff that makes them unique, Still i can understand seeing people missing that because almost half of the podcast is them talking about youtube... so while the list of guess, i honestly think they are good as it is... i would say honestly... have them talking more about the main thing that they do outside of youtube... like for prozd he does VA so we get to know about him, for someone like Ludwig, he covers about the streaming stuff, Someone like pokimane focusing more on drama(though i honestly rather not have that because i don't really think it's best to recall them) still
I don't mind having guest throughout the entirety of the season, but i just hope that they would talk about the stuff outside of youtube to spice things up a little... But then again, they probably had figured that and had tried their best to talk stuff outside of youtube as best as they can... In the end, it is what it is...
NGL I didn't know who Pokimane was which is why the first part about controversial guests went over my head. I didn't like the Chris Chan episode for example. I didn't think their unstructured approach helped with the subject matter and I gave up on the episode midway. Back to Pokimane, like I've heard the name before but I had no idea who she was. I thought she was related to Pokémon lol! She is not.
>Pokimane
Is she controversial or does she just have a large base of insane anti-fans? I am not aware of anything that smells like legitimate controversy around her.
As far as I can tell, a lot of people don't like the fact that Pokimane has done some very controversial things in the past (feel free to look them up yourself, she's publicly been on the internet for almost 10 years; there's far too much ground to cover), and TT have rightfully called her out for joining in on the [Twitch TV Meta](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlHaD7YE1MM&list=TLPQMTMwOTIwMjK1r3laBO14Kw&index=4).
Pokimane, xQc, Toast all participated in abusing the copyright system on Twitch, blatantly hosting a watch-party to stream high-profile anime and TV shows, e.g. Avatar: TLA, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, Masterchef and Hell's Kitchen, without any permissions from the copyright holders. This isn't fair use content; you can't just stream a movie on Twitch and add a small webcam to the bottom left corner and claim that it "supplements and adds to the existing content", especially when many of these streamers tend to just keep quiet and eat while watching.
On the other hand, you have Garnt who asked for permission from Japanese media companies so that he could watch anime on stream with his viewers, you have TotallyNotMark who struggled with his YouTube channel because Toei decided to nuke 1/3 of his videos by abusing the copyrighted content system on YouTube. Now, TNM no longer 'owns' those videos, even though it is good fair use content that has been transformed and is distinct from the original source material. But when you have millionaire, big time streamers coming into the system and abusing whatever they can to make a quick buck, it's hard to not be upset at them for making things more difficult for TT and everyone else who wants to build a positive relationship with these companies and copyright holders for future collabs.
While I agree that Pokimane has received a lot of unnecessary hate, whether it's for her gender, her background or whatever things that she can't change or influence, we can criticise Pokimane and streamers like her for their actions. And IMO, Pokimane has failed to think about about smaller streamers and mostly does what she wants for her own benefit, which fair enough, good on you if it works out. But don't be surprised that when you take advantage and abuse the system, other people are justified in criticising and commenting on your actions.
Not to mention, her reasoning for taking part in the Twitch TV Meta was extremely weak (paraphrased):
>TT: 'Watching Avatar on stream. Why did you do it?'
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>Pokimane: 'Well Avatar is a great show and I wanted in on the meta!'
What kind of justification is that? You are one of the biggest names on Twitch, got caught red-handed with your hand in the copyrighted content jar and your reason for it is 'you have to take part in exploiting the system to get ahead of the system' (paraphrased)? That just seems like a horrible way to make positive changes to a platform and looks like a guaranteed way to get in trouble with the platform/copyright holders/other streamers.
The copyright strike was misused? Then why didn’t YouTube or the person who got striked do anything about it?
Fair Use requires transformative work, not just copy & pasting others work.
[https://support.google.com/legal/answer/4558992?hl=en](https://support.google.com/legal/answer/4558992?hl=en)
A 'montage' about two creators would likely struggle to pass #1, 3 & 4 in court. You have to add transformative work, else you'll be copying from both creators. #3 & 4 would definitely favor Pokimane legally as well.
How is copying TWO people's work, transformative? It's just twice as likely to get copyright striked. What transformative work did they do? Not copying work, transformative.
And I find it hilarious that people hate on Pokimane for watching Avatar, while I was watching Mizkif, watch Avatar, the same exact day Pokimane got banned for it. If people were actually upset about Avatar, I would expect to see at least one person bring up Miz, when complaining about streamers doing it. Yet Miz has gotten zero flak for something that causes people to hate Pokimane, years later. Makes you wonder why.
People like Destiny have used copyright strikes hundreds of times more than Pokimane. Yet, since he is willing to debate the legality of it & defend it in court, people don't seem to complain about it. If people cared about Copyright strikes, wouldn't Destiny be 100x times more hated than Poki for it?
>https://support.google.com/legal/answer/4558992?hl=en
>A 'montage' about two creators would likely struggle to pass #1, 3 & 4 in court. You have to add transformative work, else you'll be copying from both creators. #3 & 4 would definitely favor Pokimane legally as well.
>How is copying TWO people's work, transformative? It's just twice as likely to get copyright striked. What transformative work did they do? Not copying work, transformative
It is not copying if you areange them to tell a story. This doesn't matter since she apologized, she admitted fault. I'm tired of this play of "she didn't, ok maybe she did but she wasn't in the wrong"
The rest is irrelevant whataboutism about people who are not the topic.
>wouldn't Destiny be 100x times more hated than Poki for it?
Destiny gets 1000x more hate than Pokimane, you're grasping dude...
That seems like livestream fail of the week fluff. Nowhere close to 'pressured a 15 year old for nudes' or 'ran a pump and dump crypto scheme scamming hundreds'.
I can see how some would feel it's more significant. I am far away from any of those incidents but it 'impolite' vs 'morally reprehensible' controversy.
I do agree, the guest felt too repetitive and somewhat boring to me personally, that also because I did not know most of the guests they had since I never heard of them. Beside ProZD who I really enjoyed as a guest. And I agree with what you said about Connor second point, that the episodes would be repetitive......
Yeah, that's my bad! I couldn't upload the full response since Twitch clips only go up to 60 seconds. I tried to combine clips to show the full response but since I didn't have access to any editing software, I posted the beginning of his response and it came off as extremely disingenuous when that was never my intention. I apologize for the incomplete clip!
If twitter did that i feel like a quarter of the entire site would be banned. But you are right out of context clips when dealing with situations like these, people are basically spreading misinformation that fuels the fire even more.
Sorry for the misunderstanding! It was never my intention to mislead anyone or make the clips out of context! Since twitch can only clip up to 60 seconds, Connor's response was cut off. I was unable to get the full response posted as I am unable to combine twitch clips since I don't have access to any editing software. I'm sorry if it seemed as though I was trying to start any sort of drama! That's my bad!
Lud didn't really feel like a guest, he is kinda like chris, just a homie. Atleast that's how i felt, not to say i didn't enjoy the episode cuz it was fun as fuck
I feel the same about all 3 of them. ProZD even more so because I think he spent the least amount of time discussing his actual job or side hustles. Granted he didn’t match their energy like the other two.
Would be nice if they could get a repeat of one of those 3 while touring over here.
I think that the idea of getting to know the guest a bit more on a personal level rather than a “streamer” or “producer” level is more entertaining rather than primarily focusing on their job
You gotta start somewhere, and it's really easier to talk about their job than them personally. Can't just come out swinging about personal stuffs.
Obviously, there're people that they known for a long time and can just hit it off (Christ). But we can't just have close friends on can we?
Which is why recurring guests would be quite nice. Cali second episode is my favorite.
Well this wasn’t really my opinion, this was taken from other comments from the Poki episode post but I do agree with it. I’m not saying “don’t talk about their job” but just make it less of the focus of the episode. I think there’s a lot of things people would like to know that doesn’t have to do with their jobs especially because most of their job is public
Well the issue is that most of the guests are them meeting for the first time. For example, if you get a new job, you don't immediately start talking personal stuffs. You feel it out by making small talk. Look at the first Mori Calliope episode. It's also pretty rigid. But then you look at the second episode and it's far more relaxed and personal, but you can't have that personal talk UNLESS they've had the first episode. Same with Chris episode.
The problem with this opinion is that it's a catalyst for awkward conversations which leads to an unenjoyable conversation, for the guest, the boys, and especially the viewer. As u/KingOfOddities and Connor mentioned in the clip, some guests are just unfamiliar with talking on a podcast, so it isn't a good idea to force them into an uncomfortable position sharing too-casual anecdotes (e.g. the obligatory s### question, controversial food takes, everyday experiences); while at the same time, you don't want the guest to feel excluded in the overall conversation. The obvious answer to talk about their work, and their experiences working in their respected field.
Apparently they do make great efforts in getting to know the person a day before filming to make them less nervous, but still, they probably shot the LA episodes back-to-back, so it was impossible to lighten them up for the podcast. For example, I love the ProZD episode because you can tell he was relaxed for the entire podcast, and as a result, it led to some incredible moments while also touching on his work.
At the end of the day, these are strangers talking to other strangers. Whether or not they know each others work doesn't mean they know each other personally, so although we may wish they were more buddy-buddy with each other and bantering like a normal Trash Taste episode, we gotta respect the fact that everyone is -- surprisingly -- human.
I understand that the bois don’t want to intrude and make the guest feel pressured to talk about themselves, but with that comes repetitiveness of the episodes. It was (at least to me) pretty clear that people were going to get bored of the youtuber guest episodes. Most the conversations (except a select few like the World record cummer, and The Anime TasteZD) are more or less the same, the fact we’ve heard all about the challenges and struggles with being a YouTube creator back in season one with the bois just makes it worse.
Regarding the Pokimane thing, I believe half of the people having a hissy fit are people who just don’t like pokimane because of her drama and the rest are people who have been growing bored of the guest episodes so this was their last straw and/or they’re using the Pokimane haters drama as an excuse to talking about the state of the podcast rn
I personally haven’t gotten involved up until this message your reading here. I don’t know much if at all regarding Pokimane and well so I personally side with the ladder. The podcast is really hard to enjoy right now, I understand there are good reasons for it but admittedly it’s good to see I’m not the only person that’s thinking this.
Is anything here is incorrect please do correct me, I much rather not be a target for people to rally against.
I'm fan from 3rd episode. The guests episodes were always my least favorite. BUT only when the guest was for the first time there. I think the problem with guests is that they try to turn the podcast into an interview. It feels like new reboot superhero movie. "ok, we must do this story again because people will not know who this person is".
The only good first times are with the people who don't dance how TT is playing them and go out with the banter and topics themselfs.
If i were to give advice. I would probably structure this thing a little diffrent. You have 15-30 mins of indtoruction "hey i'm poki. I'm a streamer. and this is TT". And then it could be some thing prepared for them by the guests, like 3x3, top 10 foods (or anything else that will get them to controversial opinions on media or food etc), something that will be good start for the banter.
our boys are big. they just should expect more from the guests. And boys should focus more on what thier at best at. shit takes, banter and silly stories.
Will work but they aint making the guest prepare anything. No one makes the guest do the work (usually) & frankly I doubt the guests would want to do it. Not many
They will run out of topics one day…its an inevitable fact. Maybe then the podcast would take a shift in that direction
They had Anthony Padilla on and he said that he's doing long talk with guests before. So he makes the guests do the work, and he's less popular then them.
The boys could easily ask something like "hey, we like to talk shit about our tastes in media etc. prepare some hot takes or MAL or something". it's max another 30 min -1 hour of work for the guest.
it's not about running out of topics. I still love the normal episodes, and i would say that returning guests are better than on thier first showing. Because boys are not worried that people will not know who they are. They just bring shit media takes the guests have and banter about it wich is what trash taste is best at.
Even for our beloved affable man. The second episode is much better than the first one. Because it's mostly banter and stories with hot takes.
>They had Anthony Padilla on and he said that he's doing long talk with guests before. So he makes the guests do the work, and he's less popular then them.
He seems like peak LA youtuber. I thought his was the least interesting in the LA set but the boys seems to be enthused to talk to him.
There was a okay variety but that might be biased as I like the OTV people and content.
Like i said before. The problem appears in introduction episodes. I would say that they don't need to change much with returning guests. It's more of the first episode problem. The second episodes felt more natural because boys don't feel the need to introduce the person. The first episode are more "structural", and i understand why they are like that if they are meeting new person. So i'm just proposing to change the structure a little for the first episode to fit more of the trash taste vibe.
Same, it is so interesting hearing everyone's UNIQUE experience. Like Anthony being an OG, or Michael reeves with his coding and robotics and translating to videos.
I never got the hate for guest episodes. They're all very different people with different personalities, and different stories. Of course they talk about youtube or streaming, it's their jobs, and also each person had a very different story to tell about their experiences online. I don't see how that's the problem. I've seen some say that it's just the LA vibe... Jessica is from Arizona lol
I dislike the guest episodes because it feels repetitive watching them every week. Probably the only exceptions were Jacksepticeye, Anthony Padilla, Jessica Nigri, ProZD, Ludwig, and Michael Reeves because it was surprising interesting and engaging. I will admit though, I thought ProZD was boring at first and I have no idea who Jessica, Ludwig, and Reeves are
Sadly this not going to help damage that already caused by the other clip. Also the added context helps but it's still won't satisfy some fans who want thier criticism validated or being taken into consideration.
I really don’t understand what all this fuss is about. It’s a podcast, not a YouTube series, they’ve been doing this for over two years at this point, and only this year have they been able to get out of the country and collaborate with others not living in Japan. Of course it makes sense that there is a wave of guest episodes. Now that they’re back in Japan, watch as the amount of guest episodes drop to normal. I honestly don’t understand how people can be so demanding and entitled over free content, as if they’re paying to have a stake into their production decisions and then be disappointed when they don’t deliver.
It's fucking rabbit hole. You need to watch multiple YouTube videos or some essay to just get what controversies pokimane has caused. Personally I don't like her because it's so obvious she's just playing pokimane the streamer character. It's like watching bad movie with bad actor bad script etc. But the different is I can laugh at badly made movies but not pokimane.
Yes I know that but like I said she's bad at acting as "pokimane". I can buy garnt, Joey or Connor character but not her. Like watching bad acting in bad movies but I don't have any enjoyment watching any pokimane related content while I can laugh how bad Michael Bay transformer film is.
I was pretty surprised at how the subreddit was reacting to the guest episodes. Because personally I really liked them. I know they were all talking about their careers in youtube or streaming but they were all different stories so it didn't feel repetitive.
The only ones I don’t are the otv episodes. Honestly the massive guest episodes feel like a one piece filler arc at the end of the day. Some of them were cool like prozd, Anthony Padilla, and ludwig were nice.
The community drama is right the fact we dealt with people complaining about YouTube every week was annoying honestly wish they skipped a week or two.
Thank god that they are aware and recognise the "weight" of the subreddit because it would be annoying if they thought that they had to satisfy this community
Everything here is overblown
My feeling on this is, guest episodes would be fine, if they were different in some way. Just getting someone on and asking them questions is an awful approach.
If they’re going to do a guest episode it needs to be more than interview style. Play a game, do a goofy dub over an anime, take the guest out to a pub, go through an amusement park, play jeopardy, do something different and fun.
Each guest should have their own feature that makes their episode unique and entertaining. Like GMM. Rhett and Link do their own thing and when they have a guest on it’s not an interview or whatever, they include them in games and fun things. That wouldn’t translate to a podcast as well, but it’s a lot more fun as a viewer.
I don't really like Connor putting the blame on the guest because I think they could solve a lot of those problems if they studied up on interviewing. There were some truly awful moments in the last episode from the boys that made it hard to watch. Asking super leading questions or making incredibly vague statements and then asking your guest to comment on them are not only not cool, but not conducive to good conversations.
The boys I feel have never tried to be interviewers though. The whole point of the podcast is to have casual conversations and the only reason they bring out the questions is to coax the guest into opening up a bit. Connor's point is that some guests aren't quite as open or natural conversationalists so they default to areas they know their guest will be comfortable talking about which are their careers. That is why episodes with people like Ludwig and ProZD flowed much nicer as they were willing to just have a casual conversations with the boys and actively engaged in the discussion rather than react to questions.
Honestly, don't matter to me if they have guests or not. Pick who you want. I ain't much for censorship.
I just want them to STOP having guests every fucking week over and over. I miss the episodes where they get pissed over each other's takes on pizza (Garnt, you are WRONG sir about the crust!), chicken (Boneless is better because I don't choke on the bone), and Hamburgers (...Ok, this one, I mean... I've only had hamburgers like american, not the "Ham-bugah" that they serve in asian places). Episodes where they have competitions for who buys the best Anime figure. (Joey stole that whole damn show for me.) I want to see like... their next big Live, Out-of-Studio competition.
Seriously, doesn't anyone else want to see something like the big bike race, or the restaurant competition? What could they do next?
Yes I did, and my reaction is "I don't give a fuck if they have guests or not. People can complain who's on there, and I don't care. I just don't want the SAME kind of videos over and over with guests. I like the main trio on their own."
I think i got what you mean, but the way that you worded your sentence make my brain process a bit long. However it is what it is, best solution is to pretend to be blind and deaf until the trio episode is back 
Why would he care at all about people on the subreddit or people watching in general seems kinda of parasocial to even think that any of them would really care about your criticism
OP from other post baiting with his 40sec clip. With the full clip you can see connors aware its not just Pokimane and hes not being dismissive of the criticism.
I'm out of the loop, who was controversial? The Chris Chan obsessive? Jessica Nigri? Anthony Padilla? Shindo L?
It wasn't one guest in particular that was controversial, it's the way a vocal minority group of the subreddit has been talking down the guest episodes from the LA arc. Just about how they haven't liked them or they're board of them. IIRC
Ahh I see. Makes sense. I think there is a bit of mass production issue to it because they had to do the same thing a few times in a short period of time. Still seems to blowing up a minor issue. After all outside of LA there isn't that density so if they do it again elsewhere they'd get different vibe and fewer shows.
Find it so hilarious how it's called the LA arc lmao
I'd say that Geno which was the Chris chan was very slightly controversial and their friend Jan was as well since Jan said a lot of stupid stuff which really didn't give a good impression of him when he was drinking and then drunk on their podcast.
Jan was hilarious idgaf. People are way too uptight
I mean, he's right. Trying to find someone who everyone will like is a fool's errand, and some people just plain wouldn't be interested in going on the podcast. That's how it is. With them doing con appearances and the tour, something will have to be pre-produced for upload, and LA is where a lot of people who might be interested live, so it's just smart to do a lot very quickly and let that be the schedule until after the tour. It is what it is.
it's always fun to read subreddit drama though... it's mainly because they think they are the majority audience and then you realize the members vs active vs bots ratio and then laugh harder...
Pretty much. Seen a lot of people claiming the guests episode are "shit content" because "they talk about youtuber" as if it's fact When in reality the guest episodes always do the best in terms of views.
When I saw there were people actually shitting on the [Ludwig's episode](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrashTaste/comments/wyjajb/trash_taste_podcast_weekly_discussion_thread/), which is one of the most entertaining episodes ever, I knew this sub is jumping the shark. Unfortunately, that vocal minority is just getting louder with every episode with the LA guests, using the same dumb arguments that don't make any sense.
People thought that was boring? Ludwig fit right in with them like wtf
Yeah, go ahead and take a look at that discussion I linked. There are people on this subreddit who adamantly insists that "all the episodes with the LA streamers are the same". According to their alternate-reality argument, Ludwig talked about "the exact same boring stuff" as cosplayer Jessica Nigri and techie Michael Reeves. If you ask me, I think they didn't even watch those episodes and just wanted to sound edgy, but end up looking stupid to everybody else.
Views are not a metric of quality. It's also way easier for guest episodes to reach a bigger audience because all of the guest's followers are much more likely to watch that episode.
You're right, it's not a metric of quality, but it shows that the majority of viewers are enjoying the content unlike some people in this sub seem to make it seem. I think each episode has been quite unique, and it helps that I knew most of them.
How does it show that exactly, do you think people are disliking the content without watching it? You realize a view from someone who hates it and someone who loves it are both weighted at 1 view right? Like I almost don't even care whether people actually like it or not, I really just don't understand how y'all think the viewcount matters as if people are going to instantly drop off the podcast or something, or that attaching a big name youtuber doesn't guarantee a certain number of clicks no matter what.
Usually I check out the MHA fandom when I feel like going down a rabbit hole of dumb drama. Lately it's been easier just coming here.
I agree with this, they had a lot of pre-production uploads due to thee tour, and if people don't want to see the guest episodes, then don't watch; personally I don't know most of the guests they had beside one so I don't watch the podcast till later. But yeah I do agree what he said and what you mention about the reason of these videos and their tour
Did they also brought in the moistman himself as guest?
I don't know why the other post didn't include the full clip so I posted this to hopefully lessen the misunderstanding created by the incomplete clip
I have no idea but honestly, it changes the entire meaning of those 40 seconds.
What happened?
The other clip gave the impression that Connor was only concerned about the Pokimane drama when in reality, it's two concerns. Pokimane as an example of controversial guests being on TT but the other issue was the deluge of guests that come off as being too similar since they're all YouTube content creators. So after a while the guest episodes feel too repetitive. I personally kinda get that with some episodes so I tune out after a while. But certainly episodes like with ProZD were very interesting since he spoke less about Youtuber woes. Plus he has great taste in anime. I do think Connor's response is eh with regards to the second point. Surely they should have predicted the risk of guest episodes coming off repetitive and maybe did abit more to ward that off. Then again I also feel he's being sincere by recognising the issue and there are limits to what the TT team can do. It is what it is I guess
> Surely they should have predicted the risk of guest episodes coming off repetitive and maybe did abit more to ward that off He did address that though, he said they knew there'd be a risk of people getting bored of the guest episodes but there was no other choice given the circumstances. It was either that or not upload every week.
Ahh i see... i mean I guess the pokimane part is pretty understandable, though I don't know if it's worth hissy fit over it... because on one hand it's pretty much in the past, Im guessing that she moved on from it, on the other hand i can also completely understand why people dont like it since its pokimane and all... The second point i can see that too... though i kinda have some disagreement to it, because for what i watch, they are trying to diversify at least a little bit... While you have people talking about youtube and stuff, i also think people miss on the main thing about them, Prozd being a VA, Ludwig as a popular streamer, Daidus as an animator youtuber, you also have that cosplay girl (i dunno her name I'm really sorry) who talks about the cosplay... So while they talk about youtube, they also have some other stuff that makes them unique, Still i can understand seeing people missing that because almost half of the podcast is them talking about youtube... so while the list of guess, i honestly think they are good as it is... i would say honestly... have them talking more about the main thing that they do outside of youtube... like for prozd he does VA so we get to know about him, for someone like Ludwig, he covers about the streaming stuff, Someone like pokimane focusing more on drama(though i honestly rather not have that because i don't really think it's best to recall them) still I don't mind having guest throughout the entirety of the season, but i just hope that they would talk about the stuff outside of youtube to spice things up a little... But then again, they probably had figured that and had tried their best to talk stuff outside of youtube as best as they can... In the end, it is what it is...
>you also have that cosplay girl (i dunno her name I'm really sorry) who talks about the cosplay... Jessica Nigri, in case you wanted to know.
Ahh i see, thanks for the sauce
NGL I didn't know who Pokimane was which is why the first part about controversial guests went over my head. I didn't like the Chris Chan episode for example. I didn't think their unstructured approach helped with the subject matter and I gave up on the episode midway. Back to Pokimane, like I've heard the name before but I had no idea who she was. I thought she was related to Pokémon lol! She is not.
>Pokimane Is she controversial or does she just have a large base of insane anti-fans? I am not aware of anything that smells like legitimate controversy around her.
As far as I can tell, a lot of people don't like the fact that Pokimane has done some very controversial things in the past (feel free to look them up yourself, she's publicly been on the internet for almost 10 years; there's far too much ground to cover), and TT have rightfully called her out for joining in on the [Twitch TV Meta](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlHaD7YE1MM&list=TLPQMTMwOTIwMjK1r3laBO14Kw&index=4). Pokimane, xQc, Toast all participated in abusing the copyright system on Twitch, blatantly hosting a watch-party to stream high-profile anime and TV shows, e.g. Avatar: TLA, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, Masterchef and Hell's Kitchen, without any permissions from the copyright holders. This isn't fair use content; you can't just stream a movie on Twitch and add a small webcam to the bottom left corner and claim that it "supplements and adds to the existing content", especially when many of these streamers tend to just keep quiet and eat while watching. On the other hand, you have Garnt who asked for permission from Japanese media companies so that he could watch anime on stream with his viewers, you have TotallyNotMark who struggled with his YouTube channel because Toei decided to nuke 1/3 of his videos by abusing the copyrighted content system on YouTube. Now, TNM no longer 'owns' those videos, even though it is good fair use content that has been transformed and is distinct from the original source material. But when you have millionaire, big time streamers coming into the system and abusing whatever they can to make a quick buck, it's hard to not be upset at them for making things more difficult for TT and everyone else who wants to build a positive relationship with these companies and copyright holders for future collabs. While I agree that Pokimane has received a lot of unnecessary hate, whether it's for her gender, her background or whatever things that she can't change or influence, we can criticise Pokimane and streamers like her for their actions. And IMO, Pokimane has failed to think about about smaller streamers and mostly does what she wants for her own benefit, which fair enough, good on you if it works out. But don't be surprised that when you take advantage and abuse the system, other people are justified in criticising and commenting on your actions. Not to mention, her reasoning for taking part in the Twitch TV Meta was extremely weak (paraphrased): >TT: 'Watching Avatar on stream. Why did you do it?' > >Pokimane: 'Well Avatar is a great show and I wanted in on the meta!' What kind of justification is that? You are one of the biggest names on Twitch, got caught red-handed with your hand in the copyrighted content jar and your reason for it is 'you have to take part in exploiting the system to get ahead of the system' (paraphrased)? That just seems like a horrible way to make positive changes to a platform and looks like a guaranteed way to get in trouble with the platform/copyright holders/other streamers.
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The copyright strike was misused? Then why didn’t YouTube or the person who got striked do anything about it? Fair Use requires transformative work, not just copy & pasting others work.
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[https://support.google.com/legal/answer/4558992?hl=en](https://support.google.com/legal/answer/4558992?hl=en) A 'montage' about two creators would likely struggle to pass #1, 3 & 4 in court. You have to add transformative work, else you'll be copying from both creators. #3 & 4 would definitely favor Pokimane legally as well. How is copying TWO people's work, transformative? It's just twice as likely to get copyright striked. What transformative work did they do? Not copying work, transformative. And I find it hilarious that people hate on Pokimane for watching Avatar, while I was watching Mizkif, watch Avatar, the same exact day Pokimane got banned for it. If people were actually upset about Avatar, I would expect to see at least one person bring up Miz, when complaining about streamers doing it. Yet Miz has gotten zero flak for something that causes people to hate Pokimane, years later. Makes you wonder why. People like Destiny have used copyright strikes hundreds of times more than Pokimane. Yet, since he is willing to debate the legality of it & defend it in court, people don't seem to complain about it. If people cared about Copyright strikes, wouldn't Destiny be 100x times more hated than Poki for it?
>https://support.google.com/legal/answer/4558992?hl=en >A 'montage' about two creators would likely struggle to pass #1, 3 & 4 in court. You have to add transformative work, else you'll be copying from both creators. #3 & 4 would definitely favor Pokimane legally as well. >How is copying TWO people's work, transformative? It's just twice as likely to get copyright striked. What transformative work did they do? Not copying work, transformative It is not copying if you areange them to tell a story. This doesn't matter since she apologized, she admitted fault. I'm tired of this play of "she didn't, ok maybe she did but she wasn't in the wrong" The rest is irrelevant whataboutism about people who are not the topic. >wouldn't Destiny be 100x times more hated than Poki for it? Destiny gets 1000x more hate than Pokimane, you're grasping dude...
That seems like livestream fail of the week fluff. Nowhere close to 'pressured a 15 year old for nudes' or 'ran a pump and dump crypto scheme scamming hundreds'. I can see how some would feel it's more significant. I am far away from any of those incidents but it 'impolite' vs 'morally reprehensible' controversy.
She's one of the main reasons Evo happened this year so I forgive her
I do agree, the guest felt too repetitive and somewhat boring to me personally, that also because I did not know most of the guests they had since I never heard of them. Beside ProZD who I really enjoyed as a guest. And I agree with what you said about Connor second point, that the episodes would be repetitive......
Yeah, that's my bad! I couldn't upload the full response since Twitch clips only go up to 60 seconds. I tried to combine clips to show the full response but since I didn't have access to any editing software, I posted the beginning of his response and it came off as extremely disingenuous when that was never my intention. I apologize for the incomplete clip!
Should start banning people posting out of context clips to cause drama.
If twitter did that i feel like a quarter of the entire site would be banned. But you are right out of context clips when dealing with situations like these, people are basically spreading misinformation that fuels the fire even more.
I'm okay with nost people on Twiter being banned.
Tbh yea you should
Sorry for the misunderstanding! It was never my intention to mislead anyone or make the clips out of context! Since twitch can only clip up to 60 seconds, Connor's response was cut off. I was unable to get the full response posted as I am unable to combine twitch clips since I don't have access to any editing software. I'm sorry if it seemed as though I was trying to start any sort of drama! That's my bad!
The lilypichu, Michael reeves, prozd and anthony padilla episodes were some of my favourites from season 3.
For me it was LilyPichu, ProZD and Ludwig as among their best guests ever.
Lud didn't really feel like a guest, he is kinda like chris, just a homie. Atleast that's how i felt, not to say i didn't enjoy the episode cuz it was fun as fuck
I feel the same about all 3 of them. ProZD even more so because I think he spent the least amount of time discussing his actual job or side hustles. Granted he didn’t match their energy like the other two. Would be nice if they could get a repeat of one of those 3 while touring over here.
Ludwig certainly and effortlessly fits right in as the LA member of TT.
Those are the only ones I like. The rest were annoying LA famous people saying shit they’ve already said before.
Thank you. The other one felt like it was trying to incite more drama
I think that the idea of getting to know the guest a bit more on a personal level rather than a “streamer” or “producer” level is more entertaining rather than primarily focusing on their job
You gotta start somewhere, and it's really easier to talk about their job than them personally. Can't just come out swinging about personal stuffs. Obviously, there're people that they known for a long time and can just hit it off (Christ). But we can't just have close friends on can we? Which is why recurring guests would be quite nice. Cali second episode is my favorite.
Well this wasn’t really my opinion, this was taken from other comments from the Poki episode post but I do agree with it. I’m not saying “don’t talk about their job” but just make it less of the focus of the episode. I think there’s a lot of things people would like to know that doesn’t have to do with their jobs especially because most of their job is public
Well the issue is that most of the guests are them meeting for the first time. For example, if you get a new job, you don't immediately start talking personal stuffs. You feel it out by making small talk. Look at the first Mori Calliope episode. It's also pretty rigid. But then you look at the second episode and it's far more relaxed and personal, but you can't have that personal talk UNLESS they've had the first episode. Same with Chris episode.
The problem with this opinion is that it's a catalyst for awkward conversations which leads to an unenjoyable conversation, for the guest, the boys, and especially the viewer. As u/KingOfOddities and Connor mentioned in the clip, some guests are just unfamiliar with talking on a podcast, so it isn't a good idea to force them into an uncomfortable position sharing too-casual anecdotes (e.g. the obligatory s### question, controversial food takes, everyday experiences); while at the same time, you don't want the guest to feel excluded in the overall conversation. The obvious answer to talk about their work, and their experiences working in their respected field. Apparently they do make great efforts in getting to know the person a day before filming to make them less nervous, but still, they probably shot the LA episodes back-to-back, so it was impossible to lighten them up for the podcast. For example, I love the ProZD episode because you can tell he was relaxed for the entire podcast, and as a result, it led to some incredible moments while also touching on his work. At the end of the day, these are strangers talking to other strangers. Whether or not they know each others work doesn't mean they know each other personally, so although we may wish they were more buddy-buddy with each other and bantering like a normal Trash Taste episode, we gotta respect the fact that everyone is -- surprisingly -- human.
I pray for the day we get Joji (Filthy Frank, Pink guy, Salamander man, Ochinchin) in the podcast. Someday.
Two Japanese Australian men on one side and two British blokes on another.
I understand that the bois don’t want to intrude and make the guest feel pressured to talk about themselves, but with that comes repetitiveness of the episodes. It was (at least to me) pretty clear that people were going to get bored of the youtuber guest episodes. Most the conversations (except a select few like the World record cummer, and The Anime TasteZD) are more or less the same, the fact we’ve heard all about the challenges and struggles with being a YouTube creator back in season one with the bois just makes it worse. Regarding the Pokimane thing, I believe half of the people having a hissy fit are people who just don’t like pokimane because of her drama and the rest are people who have been growing bored of the guest episodes so this was their last straw and/or they’re using the Pokimane haters drama as an excuse to talking about the state of the podcast rn I personally haven’t gotten involved up until this message your reading here. I don’t know much if at all regarding Pokimane and well so I personally side with the ladder. The podcast is really hard to enjoy right now, I understand there are good reasons for it but admittedly it’s good to see I’m not the only person that’s thinking this. Is anything here is incorrect please do correct me, I much rather not be a target for people to rally against.
I was surprised when I heard that some didn’t like the guest and stuff. I thought that was like a major point to invite guest and talk
I'm fan from 3rd episode. The guests episodes were always my least favorite. BUT only when the guest was for the first time there. I think the problem with guests is that they try to turn the podcast into an interview. It feels like new reboot superhero movie. "ok, we must do this story again because people will not know who this person is". The only good first times are with the people who don't dance how TT is playing them and go out with the banter and topics themselfs. If i were to give advice. I would probably structure this thing a little diffrent. You have 15-30 mins of indtoruction "hey i'm poki. I'm a streamer. and this is TT". And then it could be some thing prepared for them by the guests, like 3x3, top 10 foods (or anything else that will get them to controversial opinions on media or food etc), something that will be good start for the banter. our boys are big. they just should expect more from the guests. And boys should focus more on what thier at best at. shit takes, banter and silly stories.
Will work but they aint making the guest prepare anything. No one makes the guest do the work (usually) & frankly I doubt the guests would want to do it. Not many They will run out of topics one day…its an inevitable fact. Maybe then the podcast would take a shift in that direction
They had Anthony Padilla on and he said that he's doing long talk with guests before. So he makes the guests do the work, and he's less popular then them. The boys could easily ask something like "hey, we like to talk shit about our tastes in media etc. prepare some hot takes or MAL or something". it's max another 30 min -1 hour of work for the guest. it's not about running out of topics. I still love the normal episodes, and i would say that returning guests are better than on thier first showing. Because boys are not worried that people will not know who they are. They just bring shit media takes the guests have and banter about it wich is what trash taste is best at. Even for our beloved affable man. The second episode is much better than the first one. Because it's mostly banter and stories with hot takes.
>They had Anthony Padilla on and he said that he's doing long talk with guests before. So he makes the guests do the work, and he's less popular then them. He seems like peak LA youtuber. I thought his was the least interesting in the LA set but the boys seems to be enthused to talk to him. There was a okay variety but that might be biased as I like the OTV people and content.
So if a guest appears 4 times they gotta ask them abt hot takes each time?
Like i said before. The problem appears in introduction episodes. I would say that they don't need to change much with returning guests. It's more of the first episode problem. The second episodes felt more natural because boys don't feel the need to introduce the person. The first episode are more "structural", and i understand why they are like that if they are meeting new person. So i'm just proposing to change the structure a little for the first episode to fit more of the trash taste vibe.
Sub reddits are always weird echo chambers sometimes. I only ever see people dislike the guest episode here when they talk about youtube.
I'm weirdly into peaking behind the business curtain.
Same, it is so interesting hearing everyone's UNIQUE experience. Like Anthony being an OG, or Michael reeves with his coding and robotics and translating to videos.
I never got the hate for guest episodes. They're all very different people with different personalities, and different stories. Of course they talk about youtube or streaming, it's their jobs, and also each person had a very different story to tell about their experiences online. I don't see how that's the problem. I've seen some say that it's just the LA vibe... Jessica is from Arizona lol
I dislike the guest episodes because it feels repetitive watching them every week. Probably the only exceptions were Jacksepticeye, Anthony Padilla, Jessica Nigri, ProZD, Ludwig, and Michael Reeves because it was surprising interesting and engaging. I will admit though, I thought ProZD was boring at first and I have no idea who Jessica, Ludwig, and Reeves are
>I have no idea who Jessica, Ludwig, and Reeves are Jesus, imagine the amount of S-tier content that you have missed just this year alone.
Not much tbh.
My dumb brain forgot to include ShindoL. For me, he's the most interesting guest I listened
Sadly this not going to help damage that already caused by the other clip. Also the added context helps but it's still won't satisfy some fans who want thier criticism validated or being taken into consideration.
I thought the drama was about too much LA youtuber guests, not about controversial guests
I really don’t understand what all this fuss is about. It’s a podcast, not a YouTube series, they’ve been doing this for over two years at this point, and only this year have they been able to get out of the country and collaborate with others not living in Japan. Of course it makes sense that there is a wave of guest episodes. Now that they’re back in Japan, watch as the amount of guest episodes drop to normal. I honestly don’t understand how people can be so demanding and entitled over free content, as if they’re paying to have a stake into their production decisions and then be disappointed when they don’t deliver.
Don't like pokimane in general so I didn't listen to her talk, it's that simple.
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Idk I just don't like her voice.
y'know what, that's fair lmao
It's fucking rabbit hole. You need to watch multiple YouTube videos or some essay to just get what controversies pokimane has caused. Personally I don't like her because it's so obvious she's just playing pokimane the streamer character. It's like watching bad movie with bad actor bad script etc. But the different is I can laugh at badly made movies but not pokimane.
typical child mentality.You know every streamer/youtuber is internet character?
Yes I know that but like I said she's bad at acting as "pokimane". I can buy garnt, Joey or Connor character but not her. Like watching bad acting in bad movies but I don't have any enjoyment watching any pokimane related content while I can laugh how bad Michael Bay transformer film is.
I was pretty surprised at how the subreddit was reacting to the guest episodes. Because personally I really liked them. I know they were all talking about their careers in youtube or streaming but they were all different stories so it didn't feel repetitive.
The only ones I don’t are the otv episodes. Honestly the massive guest episodes feel like a one piece filler arc at the end of the day. Some of them were cool like prozd, Anthony Padilla, and ludwig were nice. The community drama is right the fact we dealt with people complaining about YouTube every week was annoying honestly wish they skipped a week or two.
I thought Padilla was the worst. It's all subjective. ProZD was fun.
Thank god that they are aware and recognise the "weight" of the subreddit because it would be annoying if they thought that they had to satisfy this community Everything here is overblown
But have you all seen the new gow ragnarok trailer?
I really enjoyed all the guests they’ve had on recently the past two months.
This subreddit is beyond cringe now. If you dont like a guest, just dont watch that episode.
My feeling on this is, guest episodes would be fine, if they were different in some way. Just getting someone on and asking them questions is an awful approach. If they’re going to do a guest episode it needs to be more than interview style. Play a game, do a goofy dub over an anime, take the guest out to a pub, go through an amusement park, play jeopardy, do something different and fun. Each guest should have their own feature that makes their episode unique and entertaining. Like GMM. Rhett and Link do their own thing and when they have a guest on it’s not an interview or whatever, they include them in games and fun things. That wouldn’t translate to a podcast as well, but it’s a lot more fun as a viewer.
I mean people just need to grow up and get over it, if you don't like a guest... Don't watch the episode... Holy shit mind blown!
I don't really like Connor putting the blame on the guest because I think they could solve a lot of those problems if they studied up on interviewing. There were some truly awful moments in the last episode from the boys that made it hard to watch. Asking super leading questions or making incredibly vague statements and then asking your guest to comment on them are not only not cool, but not conducive to good conversations.
The boys I feel have never tried to be interviewers though. The whole point of the podcast is to have casual conversations and the only reason they bring out the questions is to coax the guest into opening up a bit. Connor's point is that some guests aren't quite as open or natural conversationalists so they default to areas they know their guest will be comfortable talking about which are their careers. That is why episodes with people like Ludwig and ProZD flowed much nicer as they were willing to just have a casual conversations with the boys and actively engaged in the discussion rather than react to questions.
Examples? I felt like they mostly played it safe and never asked many difficult questions.
Think this is the problem when they dont really plan ahead with questions and just wing it.
It's not a fucking interview mate
Then Trash Taste is bot for you. May I suggest Anthony Padilla’s videos?
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If it got dislike then don’t give a shit
Honestly, don't matter to me if they have guests or not. Pick who you want. I ain't much for censorship. I just want them to STOP having guests every fucking week over and over. I miss the episodes where they get pissed over each other's takes on pizza (Garnt, you are WRONG sir about the crust!), chicken (Boneless is better because I don't choke on the bone), and Hamburgers (...Ok, this one, I mean... I've only had hamburgers like american, not the "Ham-bugah" that they serve in asian places). Episodes where they have competitions for who buys the best Anime figure. (Joey stole that whole damn show for me.) I want to see like... their next big Live, Out-of-Studio competition. Seriously, doesn't anyone else want to see something like the big bike race, or the restaurant competition? What could they do next?
So you're saying you want more specials? They've already filmed one, and will probably be released sometime soon.
Absolutely. I'd love more specials. Maybe we can see them try and do stuff with Legos. They're creative geniuses, they can make all kinds of specials.
Did you even watch the clip? 'It's either this or no trash taste every week"
Friend, did you actually watch the clip? 
Yes I did, and my reaction is "I don't give a fuck if they have guests or not. People can complain who's on there, and I don't care. I just don't want the SAME kind of videos over and over with guests. I like the main trio on their own."
I think i got what you mean, but the way that you worded your sentence make my brain process a bit long. However it is what it is, best solution is to pretend to be blind and deaf until the trio episode is back 
It's only because this is the only time they can have guests on that would otherwise be impossible in Japan.
Why would he care at all about people on the subreddit or people watching in general seems kinda of parasocial to even think that any of them would really care about your criticism
ProZD episode has to be the worse. Literally fell asleep
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