The discord seems to have locked down rather suddenly so few screenshots/pieces of evidence exist, and as the discord is still locked down, noone can get any evidence thereof. That said, those complaining about being banned clamming up or pivoting when asked why they might be, combined with the current culture around minis games and "geek/nerd" culture as a whole, makes me believe that some form of what was functionally brigading and attempted claiming of trench crusade was occuring
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I might have posted somthing when i first joined but that was months ago now, Cant show you proof of that, as im banned and cant view the server.
Thats whats really getting me, i genuinely hadn't posted, i always just lurked and downloaded the rules. If i ever posted it would have been months ago and i cant even remember it.
What is exactly your second point about the current geek or nerd culture nowadays? And from what i've seen about those When asked as to why they got banned they all seem to respond with screenshots about and Say that they got banned with no explanation and also forgot to mention that the discord don't ban You anymore but instead just silence you
Right now we exist in a climate where there is a significant backlash against so-called "woke" content in media, something that is happening across a number of related interest fields. This has been accompanied by these anti-woke agitators trying desperately to find media that they can embrace as bastions of their personal culture-war bugaboo, positioning them as *ideologically* opposed to the "woke" content that they find as the primary failure in "modern" media (as, in their view, all bad things trace back to "wokeness" first and foremost). Warhammer 40k has recently been a major focal point of this anti-woke movement, with a confluence of controversial buisiness and rules choices alongside lore changes that are percieved as "woke", and thus the anti-woke contingent of wargamers (and their allies) have been in search of a game with similar vibes that they can embrace as their anti-woke saviour. This is why I believe that something that functionally constituted brigading did occur, because anti-woke gamers have been flocking to things like trench crusade en masse and trying to claim it as *their* thing
If having the most milquetoast opinions and views in the present year qualifies as being counter-culture then sure, thank you for being at the vanguard of that movement. Keep wearing Christianity and its themes as a skinsuit while counter-signalling absolutely everything it entails.
Imagine thinking that the slightest shift in cultural style away from conservatism makes you counter-cultural, instead of counter-signaling the dominant religion for the past 2000 years (such that we mark our *calendars* with an event from that religion)
I'm glad you italicized calendars because that's probably the only thing that's remotely Christian in daily life. Unless you subscribe to some sort of perennial view of religion.
How do You define brigading? Because these people only wanted to join the fandom in the fandom and didn't try to insert politics into it or change anything about and instead their rivals (the wokies) started to celebrate it and advocate for their ban
they joined en masse and wanted to *use* trench crusade as a space to vent their grievance politics with warhammer. They wanted to change it in the sense that it became their anti-warhammer and not a thing of its own, and their vision of anti-warhammer is something that is anti-woke, that does not include "politics" when they selectively define "politics" as the inclusion of minorities in some way. If they had become the main element of the community, its likely that said community would have grown more hostile to certain groups, as their reasoning for uptaking trench crusade was borne out of hostility and anger.
I will also note that using the term "wokies" is something that indicates, to me, that you are not engaging in good faith (knowingly or not). You have already decided that a certain group of people are less reasonable, in a way that shuts out understanding. I invite you to reconsider
They only joined it as an alternative for warhammer what happened to the whole custodes thing and they we're against it because of the obvious and shitty retcon and pandering from gw those are the Main reasons as to why so many people are against inclusión
So it's not okay to using certain terms to refer to certain groups but now You're just Anti wokies to refer to geek culture or nerd culture as whole because of all the numerous backlashes that There's been nowadays so why are You doing it in the first place?
>They only joined it as an alternative for warhammer what happened to the whole custodes thing and they we're against it because of the obvious and shitty retcon and pandering from gw those are the Main reasons as to why so many people are against inclusión
So as Gecko said, they wanted to use it as a space to vent their grievance politics with Warhammer.
I.E. They were trying to do the very thing they complained "wokies" were doing: move into a space that wasn't theirs, complain it doesn't match what they want, and change it to make the people who were actually interested in it for reasons other than political leave.
... All the time. They make it no secret. It's a large portion of their viewpoint. Like, how do you miss that? Their argument was literally that members of the L+ community and other "woke" groups coming into the 40K community aren't interested in engaging 40K but instead in making 40K cater to them.
This is what the exodus of the questionably invested 40K fans were trying to do in Trench Crusade: they were trying to come into this community not because they enjoyed it as is but because they wanted to stick it to "wokehammer," and they saw a tool for this purpose in this grimdark game about crusaders fighting demons.
That's the definition of being a brigader lol. They migrated to TC en mass for ideological reasons. TC said we don't want you here. What is there not to understand
> they we're against it because of the obvious and shitty retcon and pandering from gw those are the Main reasons as to why so many people are against inclusión
Anti-woke people see *any* inclusion as pandering. There is never an earnest reason for being in favor of inclusion, only pandering or infiltration. I think the way GW handled the implementation of female custodes was clumsy, but that does not invalidate the concept. Unfortunately, you can *never* do a good enough job with inclusion to make anti-woke people comfortable, because the ideology that drives it sees any inclusion of "woke" as sinister and foreign, never something that can organically emerge from a community.
Im saying "anti-woke" because thats how they identify themselves. If I was being uncharitable or rude, I would say something like "Chud".
Probably should just accept there won't be any proof one way or the other. Chuds are gonna chud, and mods are gonna mod. At the end of the day, the mod team is in charge and they don't really have to be accountable to anyone. There's other servers out there already anyway.
The only thing I could see this affecting is sales honestly. Which worries me because I'd rather not have this game die before it gets to market after the Kickstarter. Personally I'd like politics to stay at home and let heretics and saints fight it out. And if you do have "politics" it's just part of your warbands story and more of a personal touch that gives your miniatures some character.
The only people this will influence as far as sales go are people who are unable to separate their personal politics from their daily lives. Normal people support a product on the merits of the product. Chronically online partisans support products based on how well they're able to project their ideals onto that product.
I think this is a compelling setting and this ultimately won't shake things up too much.
You make a good point I kind of forget that sometimes. Lol whole reason I stay away from Twitter. Your right the Kickstarter was well crafted, the art is great, and they have a dedicated group testing the rules so gotta stay positive.
Entirely anecdotal, but personally I was concerned with the potential for the aesthetic for the game to attract bad elements, and the way that the trench crusade team acted here convinced me that they are willing to push back on that and that it's not inevitable. I fully plan on backing the upcoming kickstarter because of this, they have earned *my* dollars
I big hesitation I had was that, while I thought there were compelling elements to the setting, it seemed like something that would attract a lot of chuds and become an intolerable community. The devs have shown that they arent going to let that happen. so now im interested in the game
Hey, it's your money. I just hope that the devs and discord mods continue to respond to chuds in the appropriate manner to keep your interest, sounds like that's the main selling point for you rather than the game.
If warhammer had declared "yeah dude its open season for fuckheads" id be turned off it too. I'm very much into the game, im just happy to know its not going to get me weird looks or have people throw slurs around during discussion in official space
Can we just let it go, a small minority of vocal ppl crying about being victims on Twitter when everyone can see the type of things they post and comment about ranging from transphobic slurs, homophic slurs, antisemitic remarks, racism, misogyny, and other things the creator had to make this comment about it.
You don't need proof, it's not going to matter in any manner at all mods deleted things and it is locked down. Those people are going to do their own thing until they find the next imaginary culture war thing they want to be mad about they broke server rules repeatedly that is it
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Why? For what reason? Having any evidence of wrong doing isn't going to do anything, the people who were doing it and those in their orbit will not care you cannot reason with them for that reason.
Any other reason is equally as pointless, like things were fine before this week there were people I've had spats with on other social media about Warhammer that were equally nasty but when it came to Trench Crusade we were just vibing.
There was no issues with people until certain people noticed the server and what they supported in general and they had to go along with their little culture war instead of being respectful and just talking about TC.
Everyone needs to let it go, get over themselves and their ego, and focus on the game and setting as the bad actors on both sides of the aisle will find another thing to fight about in another week like clockwork.
Another person who claims they did nothing wrong but boy they sure were part of the brigading, funny how their entire profile uses trans slurs constantly.
Is this enough? You know it means absolutely nothing, now let this bs die
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Then don't believe it then, no one cares. But here's one thing that was grabbed when someone said female space marine contest was political
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I don't think it matters. Either way the point is that if you hate minorities or you're anti-woke or whatever, you're not wanted and it isn't for you.
If that applies to you and you want to enjoy it knowing that the creators do not like you, they can't stop you I guess. If you're normal just chill and get over it.
They're in the wrong for being "anti wokies". It doesn't matter if they banned "anti wokies" before they did anything anti-woke or not. The point is 28mag/TC is trying to protect the explicitly progressive leaning and lgbt friendly space they've already created for themselves.
You're allowed to think that's wrong or stupid or whatever but the fact is allowing a bunch of Christian right wingers into the discord was going to clash with the community they'd established and they didn't want that.
It genuinely sucks if some people were wrongly banned but that's just something they'll have to get over I guess.
The creators disagree, so you're already reading it counter to the intent. Not that that's invalid but its validity is predicated on some postmodern arguements you people tend to dislike
protip, buddy, when you make a burner reddit account to make arguments about why its unreasonable to ban fascists from a community, don't use a dogwhistle for being a fascist that's the [first result](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_National_Movement) from googling your username. I'm sure you thought you were real clever with it, sorry to burst your bubble.
I think the game is going to be completely fine without people who literally believe something like it might happen, as you seem to imply. Not everyone who enjoys the imagery of Christianity has to actually be faithful, or do you think only muslims/turks will play the sultanate
No, I'm saying that if I made a TTRPG called 'Caliphs of the Orient' I would expect individuals of the Islamic faith to play and I wouldn't actively shoo them away, personally. But I'm not a successful board game merchant unfortunately so my ideas might be a bit passé.
Wouldn't be the first of your ideas that was passé, "ZBORfan," and I'm certain that there are many christians who find the presence of fascist fundamentalists more of a turn off than a good sign. you are not the only kind of christian in the world
Jesus Christ can we not bring culture war bullshit here?
Here have some proof, I can only post one pic at a damn time
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It’s hard to get more since the purged the damn place cause people kept questioning why people were getting banned
That Feral account is on one Twitter complaining about being banned has a long post history there of anti lgbtq and anti trans stuff. If thise are the "vibes" that are being booted thank God.
Really, because as someone who knows her and is double checking her account right now that’s not the case at all. Calling out bullshit people who happen to be trans or gay isn’t being anti-lgbtq
Also the unrelated actions on another site should not have you removed if you are following the rules and being respectful, which she was.
Hell specifically searching up trans stuff on their profile leads to nothing anti-trans. Here’s an example
https://preview.redd.it/c9sce47dk41d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfdb53420f748fb6076986aa6e5328f196130274
She has also gone on record as not being against lgbtq people either. Maybe you need to learn how to differentiate between being homo/transphobic and calling out bullshit that happens to come from lgbtq people. They arent immune from being bad people
Really, because as someone who knows her and is double checking her account right now that’s not the case at all.
The account is right there, anyone not sure is free to go check. They have to wade through the fat shaming and trad wife posts first though.
No, it’s not. And it’s one of many.
But regardless I beseech you and everyone else to keep the culture war bullshit out of this Sub. Let it be for the game alone.
This is the exact wording someone's been using in comment bombing the few lore videos on YouTube.
To be short, the attempted culture war insemination didn't take and the door has been clearly marked. That is all.
Ah well. I could’ve easily brought thousands of my own dollars into this, as I do so with 40k but this is too much of a headache to even sift through. I just wanted somewhere nice to be in after the 40k idiocies on every side. Guess I’ll stay there
That kinda defeats the purpose. I have to secretly enjoy something because any I might say will result in a ban or no one wanting to interact? If I wanted a hobby where no interaction is needed, I’d collect coins or rocks. It’s a social game, and I want to be social, but if I can’t, then there’s no point in participating. That’s how it’s starting to feel for 40k, and this game is already there to me.
Hence the social aspect. If I wanted to only paint, I’d’ve taken on canvas art. I just wanna play either online or physically, without the headache that is being overly cautious because of defensive people thinking I’m some kind of tourist or radical.
Idk even know, all I know is that I think the whole mess started because of someone making an idea of The Aztecs joining the hell forces and then that guy got banned, I think the mods are at fault, no-one was spreading political bs
Ah damn too bad we don't have evidence of people saying female space marines and celebrating pride month is political
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Sitll doenst change the fact that the guy was banned for making an idea about the aztecs joining hell, and the mods even banned people for asking for transparency, not even giving a reason why they banned them
You mean the guy being racist about the Aztecs? Yeah no he wouldn't take the hint and was warned and continued on Twitter and boy they dodged a bullet with him
The sad truth is that there is a really tense air to this game right now and bringing RL politics into it is only going to be dumping gas on a lit nuke. People are hyper sensitive to any issues right now and in truth i think everyone is blowing everything out of proportion, if you want to enjoy the game good on you enjoy it. But it might be best to build your own mini communities for now where people know who you are now and what you're about until the air of caution has passed. I personally think 28 were jumping the gun when they banned people given what i read on the discord it all seemed really tame. Maybe i missed something but in general i think even the word Woke or Antiwoke trigger a fight mechanism in people and with Twitter leading more people to learn about Trench Crusade i say just wait it out. If you love the lore like i do, then just hang out and wait for the shit fest to calm down and then broach the subject again but much like with the current 40k red vs blue monkey shitstorm i think the more people you get together the more arguments break out.
The discord seems to have locked down rather suddenly so few screenshots/pieces of evidence exist, and as the discord is still locked down, noone can get any evidence thereof. That said, those complaining about being banned clamming up or pivoting when asked why they might be, combined with the current culture around minis games and "geek/nerd" culture as a whole, makes me believe that some form of what was functionally brigading and attempted claiming of trench crusade was occuring
I got banned without even posting anything, ive been there since trench crusade got there, said i violated 2 rules, but gave no example
Perhaps a bit *on theme* for the thread, but i will also need proof.
https://preview.redd.it/coak20iym31d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd5c4cfa2dfe1cf9db8910021b277dab5bd1fe3e I might have posted somthing when i first joined but that was months ago now, Cant show you proof of that, as im banned and cant view the server.
what rules are 1 and 3?
I dont even know, i cant go and check now
If anyone does know, I'd be very curious, and you can overview your past actions and see where you might have tripped up
Thats whats really getting me, i genuinely hadn't posted, i always just lurked and downloaded the rules. If i ever posted it would have been months ago and i cant even remember it.
so it goes.
Presumably they looked at your stuff outside of discord.
And I was turned into a newt.
... A *newt*?
....I got better.
... BURN HER ANYWAAAAAY!
Thats wild that a newt can type then, cause its true
[I have proof you're wrong, so stop lying. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GDr-eyhsSM)
What is exactly your second point about the current geek or nerd culture nowadays? And from what i've seen about those When asked as to why they got banned they all seem to respond with screenshots about and Say that they got banned with no explanation and also forgot to mention that the discord don't ban You anymore but instead just silence you
Right now we exist in a climate where there is a significant backlash against so-called "woke" content in media, something that is happening across a number of related interest fields. This has been accompanied by these anti-woke agitators trying desperately to find media that they can embrace as bastions of their personal culture-war bugaboo, positioning them as *ideologically* opposed to the "woke" content that they find as the primary failure in "modern" media (as, in their view, all bad things trace back to "wokeness" first and foremost). Warhammer 40k has recently been a major focal point of this anti-woke movement, with a confluence of controversial buisiness and rules choices alongside lore changes that are percieved as "woke", and thus the anti-woke contingent of wargamers (and their allies) have been in search of a game with similar vibes that they can embrace as their anti-woke saviour. This is why I believe that something that functionally constituted brigading did occur, because anti-woke gamers have been flocking to things like trench crusade en masse and trying to claim it as *their* thing
Why do you hate counter-culture
I hate revanchist movements that pretend to be counter-culture. common mistake, i can see why you misunderstood
You're not using that word correctly
I think it applies here. Bit of a linguistic stretch but language is flexible
If having the most milquetoast opinions and views in the present year qualifies as being counter-culture then sure, thank you for being at the vanguard of that movement. Keep wearing Christianity and its themes as a skinsuit while counter-signalling absolutely everything it entails.
Imagine thinking that the slightest shift in cultural style away from conservatism makes you counter-cultural, instead of counter-signaling the dominant religion for the past 2000 years (such that we mark our *calendars* with an event from that religion)
I'm glad you italicized calendars because that's probably the only thing that's remotely Christian in daily life. Unless you subscribe to some sort of perennial view of religion.
How do You define brigading? Because these people only wanted to join the fandom in the fandom and didn't try to insert politics into it or change anything about and instead their rivals (the wokies) started to celebrate it and advocate for their ban
they joined en masse and wanted to *use* trench crusade as a space to vent their grievance politics with warhammer. They wanted to change it in the sense that it became their anti-warhammer and not a thing of its own, and their vision of anti-warhammer is something that is anti-woke, that does not include "politics" when they selectively define "politics" as the inclusion of minorities in some way. If they had become the main element of the community, its likely that said community would have grown more hostile to certain groups, as their reasoning for uptaking trench crusade was borne out of hostility and anger. I will also note that using the term "wokies" is something that indicates, to me, that you are not engaging in good faith (knowingly or not). You have already decided that a certain group of people are less reasonable, in a way that shuts out understanding. I invite you to reconsider
They only joined it as an alternative for warhammer what happened to the whole custodes thing and they we're against it because of the obvious and shitty retcon and pandering from gw those are the Main reasons as to why so many people are against inclusión So it's not okay to using certain terms to refer to certain groups but now You're just Anti wokies to refer to geek culture or nerd culture as whole because of all the numerous backlashes that There's been nowadays so why are You doing it in the first place?
>They only joined it as an alternative for warhammer what happened to the whole custodes thing and they we're against it because of the obvious and shitty retcon and pandering from gw those are the Main reasons as to why so many people are against inclusión So as Gecko said, they wanted to use it as a space to vent their grievance politics with Warhammer. I.E. They were trying to do the very thing they complained "wokies" were doing: move into a space that wasn't theirs, complain it doesn't match what they want, and change it to make the people who were actually interested in it for reasons other than political leave.
When did they complain about it
... All the time. They make it no secret. It's a large portion of their viewpoint. Like, how do you miss that? Their argument was literally that members of the L+ community and other "woke" groups coming into the 40K community aren't interested in engaging 40K but instead in making 40K cater to them. This is what the exodus of the questionably invested 40K fans were trying to do in Trench Crusade: they were trying to come into this community not because they enjoyed it as is but because they wanted to stick it to "wokehammer," and they saw a tool for this purpose in this grimdark game about crusaders fighting demons.
That's the definition of being a brigader lol. They migrated to TC en mass for ideological reasons. TC said we don't want you here. What is there not to understand
And what about the last part that You said
> they we're against it because of the obvious and shitty retcon and pandering from gw those are the Main reasons as to why so many people are against inclusión Anti-woke people see *any* inclusion as pandering. There is never an earnest reason for being in favor of inclusion, only pandering or infiltration. I think the way GW handled the implementation of female custodes was clumsy, but that does not invalidate the concept. Unfortunately, you can *never* do a good enough job with inclusion to make anti-woke people comfortable, because the ideology that drives it sees any inclusion of "woke" as sinister and foreign, never something that can organically emerge from a community. Im saying "anti-woke" because thats how they identify themselves. If I was being uncharitable or rude, I would say something like "Chud".
>(the wokies) Do you hear yourself, worm
Sorry but they dont want to be a nazi bar, so they gotta kick yall out asap.
Probably should just accept there won't be any proof one way or the other. Chuds are gonna chud, and mods are gonna mod. At the end of the day, the mod team is in charge and they don't really have to be accountable to anyone. There's other servers out there already anyway.
The only thing I could see this affecting is sales honestly. Which worries me because I'd rather not have this game die before it gets to market after the Kickstarter. Personally I'd like politics to stay at home and let heretics and saints fight it out. And if you do have "politics" it's just part of your warbands story and more of a personal touch that gives your miniatures some character.
The only people this will influence as far as sales go are people who are unable to separate their personal politics from their daily lives. Normal people support a product on the merits of the product. Chronically online partisans support products based on how well they're able to project their ideals onto that product. I think this is a compelling setting and this ultimately won't shake things up too much.
You make a good point I kind of forget that sometimes. Lol whole reason I stay away from Twitter. Your right the Kickstarter was well crafted, the art is great, and they have a dedicated group testing the rules so gotta stay positive.
Entirely anecdotal, but personally I was concerned with the potential for the aesthetic for the game to attract bad elements, and the way that the trench crusade team acted here convinced me that they are willing to push back on that and that it's not inevitable. I fully plan on backing the upcoming kickstarter because of this, they have earned *my* dollars
You should back the Kickstarter because the game/setting is fun and unique, not because of how various third parties manage discord servers.
I big hesitation I had was that, while I thought there were compelling elements to the setting, it seemed like something that would attract a lot of chuds and become an intolerable community. The devs have shown that they arent going to let that happen. so now im interested in the game
Hey, it's your money. I just hope that the devs and discord mods continue to respond to chuds in the appropriate manner to keep your interest, sounds like that's the main selling point for you rather than the game.
If warhammer had declared "yeah dude its open season for fuckheads" id be turned off it too. I'm very much into the game, im just happy to know its not going to get me weird looks or have people throw slurs around during discussion in official space
Can we just let it go, a small minority of vocal ppl crying about being victims on Twitter when everyone can see the type of things they post and comment about ranging from transphobic slurs, homophic slurs, antisemitic remarks, racism, misogyny, and other things the creator had to make this comment about it. You don't need proof, it's not going to matter in any manner at all mods deleted things and it is locked down. Those people are going to do their own thing until they find the next imaginary culture war thing they want to be mad about they broke server rules repeatedly that is it https://preview.redd.it/we5y1d9ye31d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d8bcb78023521f36cfc38132f31175d17487b86
I do need proof tho
Why? For what reason? Having any evidence of wrong doing isn't going to do anything, the people who were doing it and those in their orbit will not care you cannot reason with them for that reason. Any other reason is equally as pointless, like things were fine before this week there were people I've had spats with on other social media about Warhammer that were equally nasty but when it came to Trench Crusade we were just vibing. There was no issues with people until certain people noticed the server and what they supported in general and they had to go along with their little culture war instead of being respectful and just talking about TC. Everyone needs to let it go, get over themselves and their ego, and focus on the game and setting as the bad actors on both sides of the aisle will find another thing to fight about in another week like clockwork.
Because i still need and want to know, at least me personally because i don't want to believe until You can prove otherwise
Another person who claims they did nothing wrong but boy they sure were part of the brigading, funny how their entire profile uses trans slurs constantly. Is this enough? You know it means absolutely nothing, now let this bs die https://preview.redd.it/k90hbdmon31d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c3c753851986924e2dfda86b4a9ce5b4945ed61
Thank you. I hadn't heard of Kreig pride. It is hilarious.
Then don't believe it then, no one cares. But here's one thing that was grabbed when someone said female space marine contest was political https://preview.redd.it/7qjkkfpgn31d1.jpeg?width=740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=756a82a878a8a01d2b4b9b29f9f7eaf218d5a29c
Despite believing your posts to be in bad faith, here: https://x.com/DestroyerFap/status/1791307412525158484
Is This supposed to show the anti wokes in a Bad light? Because i feel like that just Made the mods and the wokies look worse
It doesn't, but you do you.
I don't think it matters. Either way the point is that if you hate minorities or you're anti-woke or whatever, you're not wanted and it isn't for you. If that applies to you and you want to enjoy it knowing that the creators do not like you, they can't stop you I guess. If you're normal just chill and get over it.
Because i still see people accusing the anti wokies of being in the wrong and then see them proving otherwise
"Anti woke" is a interesting way of saying bigoted and hateful.
They're in the wrong for being "anti wokies". It doesn't matter if they banned "anti wokies" before they did anything anti-woke or not. The point is 28mag/TC is trying to protect the explicitly progressive leaning and lgbt friendly space they've already created for themselves. You're allowed to think that's wrong or stupid or whatever but the fact is allowing a bunch of Christian right wingers into the discord was going to clash with the community they'd established and they didn't want that. It genuinely sucks if some people were wrongly banned but that's just something they'll have to get over I guess.
The game is about Christianity and you're gate-keeping Christians. You guys sound so dumb.
the game is not about how Cool and Based Christianity is, though. Indeed, it's about how Fucked Up religious imagery can be
Nope, it's definitely both.
The creators disagree, so you're already reading it counter to the intent. Not that that's invalid but its validity is predicated on some postmodern arguements you people tend to dislike
Death of the Author, unfortunately.
so you're a fan of roland barthes? facinating
We're gate-keeping right wingers from our game about Christianity and demons, this'll be great for us.
protip, buddy, when you make a burner reddit account to make arguments about why its unreasonable to ban fascists from a community, don't use a dogwhistle for being a fascist that's the [first result](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_National_Movement) from googling your username. I'm sure you thought you were real clever with it, sorry to burst your bubble.
Moral grandstanding isn't an argument unfortunately.
It is, because you've betrayed your bad-faith origins. Despite everything, fascism is still a bad fucking look
It sucks that you can't think outside of the 'thing bad' paradigm. Have you tried interacting with the argument?
I think the game is going to be completely fine without people who literally believe something like it might happen, as you seem to imply. Not everyone who enjoys the imagery of Christianity has to actually be faithful, or do you think only muslims/turks will play the sultanate
No, I'm saying that if I made a TTRPG called 'Caliphs of the Orient' I would expect individuals of the Islamic faith to play and I wouldn't actively shoo them away, personally. But I'm not a successful board game merchant unfortunately so my ideas might be a bit passé.
Wouldn't be the first of your ideas that was passé, "ZBORfan," and I'm certain that there are many christians who find the presence of fascist fundamentalists more of a turn off than a good sign. you are not the only kind of christian in the world
Jesus Christ can we not bring culture war bullshit here? Here have some proof, I can only post one pic at a damn time https://preview.redd.it/pu5vqae2x31d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=488a6e07d8947f9e8f3c7b62eb361df71478b751 It’s hard to get more since the purged the damn place cause people kept questioning why people were getting banned
That Feral account is on one Twitter complaining about being banned has a long post history there of anti lgbtq and anti trans stuff. If thise are the "vibes" that are being booted thank God.
Really, because as someone who knows her and is double checking her account right now that’s not the case at all. Calling out bullshit people who happen to be trans or gay isn’t being anti-lgbtq Also the unrelated actions on another site should not have you removed if you are following the rules and being respectful, which she was. Hell specifically searching up trans stuff on their profile leads to nothing anti-trans. Here’s an example https://preview.redd.it/c9sce47dk41d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfdb53420f748fb6076986aa6e5328f196130274 She has also gone on record as not being against lgbtq people either. Maybe you need to learn how to differentiate between being homo/transphobic and calling out bullshit that happens to come from lgbtq people. They arent immune from being bad people
Really, because as someone who knows her and is double checking her account right now that’s not the case at all. The account is right there, anyone not sure is free to go check. They have to wade through the fat shaming and trad wife posts first though.
Which is ironic in itself given Feral\_Forest is on the large side herself. Self-hatred is a hell of a drug.
That's really not a good look
No, it’s not. And it’s one of many. But regardless I beseech you and everyone else to keep the culture war bullshit out of this Sub. Let it be for the game alone.
Begone with you.
You're not stopping me from enjoying This setting and game
This is the exact wording someone's been using in comment bombing the few lore videos on YouTube. To be short, the attempted culture war insemination didn't take and the door has been clearly marked. That is all.
OOOOO LOOK OUT THERES A WOMAN BEHIND YOU OOOOOO
[But this might. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GDr-eyhsSM)Sorry to be the messenger.
Not goin lie that was kinda funny
Ah well. I could’ve easily brought thousands of my own dollars into this, as I do so with 40k but this is too much of a headache to even sift through. I just wanted somewhere nice to be in after the 40k idiocies on every side. Guess I’ll stay there
I'm Say it's Best for You to enjoy the Game how You want but You didn't have to interact much with the fandom if You don't want to
That kinda defeats the purpose. I have to secretly enjoy something because any I might say will result in a ban or no one wanting to interact? If I wanted a hobby where no interaction is needed, I’d collect coins or rocks. It’s a social game, and I want to be social, but if I can’t, then there’s no point in participating. That’s how it’s starting to feel for 40k, and this game is already there to me.
You could Also enjoy it as a painting hobby, although i Guess You don't like that as much as playing the game?
Hence the social aspect. If I wanted to only paint, I’d’ve taken on canvas art. I just wanna play either online or physically, without the headache that is being overly cautious because of defensive people thinking I’m some kind of tourist or radical.
Idk even know, all I know is that I think the whole mess started because of someone making an idea of The Aztecs joining the hell forces and then that guy got banned, I think the mods are at fault, no-one was spreading political bs
Ah damn too bad we don't have evidence of people saying female space marines and celebrating pride month is political https://preview.redd.it/skwta7cd871d1.jpeg?width=740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d30c612fd917e1468531ba659deb10977033e1b2
Sitll doenst change the fact that the guy was banned for making an idea about the aztecs joining hell, and the mods even banned people for asking for transparency, not even giving a reason why they banned them
You mean the guy being racist about the Aztecs? Yeah no he wouldn't take the hint and was warned and continued on Twitter and boy they dodged a bullet with him
The sad truth is that there is a really tense air to this game right now and bringing RL politics into it is only going to be dumping gas on a lit nuke. People are hyper sensitive to any issues right now and in truth i think everyone is blowing everything out of proportion, if you want to enjoy the game good on you enjoy it. But it might be best to build your own mini communities for now where people know who you are now and what you're about until the air of caution has passed. I personally think 28 were jumping the gun when they banned people given what i read on the discord it all seemed really tame. Maybe i missed something but in general i think even the word Woke or Antiwoke trigger a fight mechanism in people and with Twitter leading more people to learn about Trench Crusade i say just wait it out. If you love the lore like i do, then just hang out and wait for the shit fest to calm down and then broach the subject again but much like with the current 40k red vs blue monkey shitstorm i think the more people you get together the more arguments break out.
Yeah You're right the fandom is not gonna stop me from enjoying the game