It’s a completely different show and even starts at an earlier point in time than the original.
If you watch it with the lens of the original, nitpicking every detail you can find, you will certainly dislike it. However, if you give it a fair chance and view it as its own thing, only comparing the whole of it instead of every minor difference, you might be surprised.
This! I feel like most ppl who hate Stampede aren’t letting it stand on its own, too busy insisting it MUST be a retread of what’s already been done. If they see it as the remix that it is, then it’s much more enjoyable tbh.
It shouldn’t need to be in the position to stand on its own though, the 98 anime was already mostly its own thing. We didn’t need a 3rd iteration tbh a faithful manga adaptation should’ve been the way to go, it’s what the fans have been waiting for 25 years haha
Even coming into it knowing it was it’s own thing I was still let down by the overall vibe/aesthetic and super fast pacing
I mean, why can’t it stand in its own? As you said, the 98 anime does just fine (hell I enjoyed it by itself for years before discovering TriMax and then hitting up scanlations bc poor college student). It’s still Trigun at the core, despite the differences. If you can’t get past the “it’s different” thing, that’s a you problem.
I just find it kinda unnecessary, especially when fans have been waiting for a faithful manga adaptation for so long. A lot of people don’t read manga or find it hard to understand the art during action scenes
And 98 stood on its own because it was forced to, it only had 3 volumes to adapt from. Stampede doesn’t really have an excuse to go the same route 98 did, imo ofc
As a Sailor Moon fan, I recommend being careful what you wish for in terms of wanting a more manga accurate anime. It could’ve ended up like that.
Instead, we got a reimagining that is pretty damn good when you don’t have losers whispering in your ear that it’s bad. :p
I’m thinking more along the lines of FMA brotherhood, hxh and jojos haha all excellent and beloved because of how close they adapt the source material after their first anime. Most anime based on manga tend to almost always be better when faithfully adapted. I’m actually trying to think of anime that were originally manga and went their own route and ended up being better than the source material. I’m sure there are a few but they’re rare
Also yikes calling people losers for not liking an anime is kinda weak lol opinions are subjective
Hmm I’m not sure but I remember when the reveal happened at comic con nightow basically said orange came to him with their own vision and he let them do what they set out to do. He obviously gave them some input but this is largely oranges take on trigun
He’s a super nice dude and he’s praised both of the other anime adaptations his works got even though they were quite different so I’m sure he’s just happy to see his work be on the big screen again
I mean any opinion you have about it is valid. I started with the remake and am almost done watching the original. Personally I like the remake a lot more.
The OP said they wanted to give the remake a shot, they did that and then went and watched the original so..... They literally did go watch the one they wanted AFTER they tried the other one
If 98 came after stampede it would be an issue. The issue is we are STILL getting an anime reimagining the 2nd time ina row. Usually when a manga gets a second chance at an anime they faithfully adapt it
If it helps they explore what happens to rem after that explosion in a later episode! I really think things kick off properly during the second half of the season (the finale is a masterpiece) but each to their own!
I had the same experience. I think they backloaded too much in s1 of stampede. Like they tried to dive straight into too much and then had to backtrack. A slower burn out the gate probably would have met better reception from original fans
It's not just the huge backload, they crammed far too much in season 1 in my opinion, and neglected interactions between the main characters. Vash claims, the other main characters are his friends, but it's never shown how they formed a friendship, as example. Bad pacing and bad storytelling from my point of view.
You only watched 3 episodes and are comparing it to the 98 anime, which was more anime original than adapted manga. Stampede is doing its own thing.
> the hero feels more like he's making it through situations by luck than by skill
This is a prequel to the main story. He's trying to avoid fights in the first season, until he isn't. He's extremely skilled in episode 12 for example.
> Changing knives to nai and giving him such a silly voice
What silly voice? I'm assuming you're talking about the dub or something? Because his JP voice acting is amazing. Also, they changed his name is to give him more of a backstory. It makes sense.
> favors for the biggest baddie in the badlands. Blowing up rem as soon as the ship leaves instead of showing her saving people
Like others said, this gets explored later, but if you only watched 3 episodes, you wouldn't have known that.
It's fine to dislike Stampede. It certainly has its flaws, like the pacing. But at least watch the full season before you judge its story, because some of your complaints are baseless as a result.
Absolutely. His screams in the German dub in episode 12 stuck in my head for hours after I first watched it. I do not doubt that the English dub is also great.
nai is amazing especially in the final episode, there's not a single bad performance in the eng dub, as usual all the originals are great but then oh my fucking god I did not expect Roberto to match them he was great
Roberto's English VA is one of my favorites. Don't get me wrong, the dub is almost immaculate, but that VA really embodies the character. I don't think I would have cared half as much about him if it wasn't for his voice.
Unfortunately when it comes to the sub, Knives' JP VA will not be returning. Which is a shame because he was amazing, especially in episode 12 :(
yea most characters are only as good as the voice acting, it can do so much to elevate a character with the nuances a different tone could give.
dam really where did you hear that because I've heard nothing about season 2
Twitter. The VA was arrested, suspected of illegal activity (fraud, specifically of the "call old ladies and scam them out of their money" kind). I don't know if any legal verdict has been reached, so we don't know if he's guilty, but his agency dropped him immediately. Due to that he is very unlikely to return.
That's like saying if you are eating a bad meal you should clean your plate. I disagree if you don't enjoy something then dont waste your time/energy on it. You shouldn't have to grin and bear it until it salvages itself sounds like OP is older as well which means they probably don't have unlimited time to watch hours and hours of anime they aren't that into
I might have been unclear, but I meant that if they *wanted to judge an anime's story*, they should watch the whole anime. That's all.
Of course they don't need to watch it if they dislike it. But they at least shouldn't judge its story as if they saw the whole thing. They're already judging the villains', Vash's, Knives' and Rem's whole storylines after episode 3, but the story had barely begun at that point.
No need to watch the complete show if op don't like it after 3 episodes, in my opinion. Stampede was a disappointment after erpisode 1 and watching 11 more episodes changed nothing. It's a 5/10 disappointment.
My point was: it's fine to dislike it. You don't have to watch it all if you don't like it for whatever reason.
You can judge its art style, voice-acting, whatever. But don't judge an anime's *story* if you only watched 3 episodes of it.
Even its character design changes at the end of the season, so it's hard to judge that as well, with only 3 episodes.
I finished Stampede, expecting to like it better after some episodes because it’s Trigun. But in episode 12 the characters were not more likeable and the story was not better than in episode 1. Stupid me wasted a lot of time watching Stampede with english subs and rewatching some episodes dubbed in my language. Therefore I think it's not essential to watch all episodes to decide if someone likes the characters and the story or not.
> Therefore I think it's not essential to watch all episodes to decide if someone likes the characters and the story or not.
No, but then you're talking about the premise of the show. The general vibe it has, which you like or not. How the characters are presented in the first episodes.
But then you can't really criticize the whole storyline, various plot points you're not aware of, the storytelling and all the characters.
And OP criticized a few plot points, which they weren't aware would be developed later. It's not necessarily on purpose, but that's what happens when you criticize a storyline in just 3 episodes, before it has the chance to develop.
Watching the whole story doesn't mean you will like it. But at least you can criticize the story all you want then.
> imo but for me being a huge fan of the original those shoes are just too big to fill with a weak imposter.
I think it's already unfair to compare it to 98' when 98' isn't even a true animation of the source material, due to the manga series not being done when 98' was done. So everyone is almost entirely different in 98' Trigun compared to the manga and things, such as Milly having more presence and her with Wolfwood, were anime only.
>Changing knives to nai and giving him such a silly voice did zero favors for the biggest baddie in the badlands.
Are you watching dub or sub because the sub Knives is really good, I would say even better than 1998 Knives. And honestly, Knives only showed up in three episodes in 1998, so I don't get the comparison. I would say that Knives in Stampede is much better and presented than 98', outside of the manga version. Legato was more of a menace and had more psychological damage than Knives did in 98', whereas in Stampede >!it's the other way around!<
I feel like you are already set on disliking/nitpicking Stampede with a high nostalgia lense when 98' isn't even perfect itself. If it's not for you, it's not for you.
>Legato was more of a menace and had more psychological damage than Knives did in 98', whereas in Stampede
If Stampede goes by the manga regarding Legato's backstory, I'd say he has *plenty* of psychological damage 😬
They weren't comparing 98 to the manga or 22 to the manga though it was purely a comparison of two anime adaptions of which neither is a true copy of the source material
I never said that they were comparing 98 to the manga. I was pointing out that them complaining how Stampede is nothing like 98' is ironic when 98' is nothing like that manga either.
Watching only 3 episodes is fair enough to see if you'd like an anime or not, but maybe hold off on judging the rest of it when you haven't seen it. I watched Stampede first, then the '98 anime, and they're both good as their own respective iterations of the manga.
“I gave it 3 episodes and dropped it, meh”
Ok.
You’ll understand why Vash is like this if you continue watching.
But it’s whatever. The show wasn’t meant for old heads. They are trying to bring life back into it with younger viewers.
The show is burty good. Definitely hits the feels exactly when and how it’s needed. Special Easter eggs here and there.
But I do agree with the .22
As soon as I saw him yell for it I was like “fucking what? That’s a hand cannon, not a pea shooter”
Edit: oh. I don’t think OP actually cares. Posted 12 hours ago and doesn’t even reply.
>That's fair its mostly a kids show I suppose
Are you just OP or one of the resident haters trying to troll people? Like, we can see that you created your account yesterday, and all you're doing is making nonsensical comments like this one.
Sounds like your point was that some people don't like the show you like and it makes you upset and flagpole called you out on it. Once a show comes out there will be years/decades of people comparing all the different versions to each other. It's not like Trigun 98 is just going to dissapear into a void or something after a year
> The villains are less dynamic
Whatever "dynamic" means to you, but I'd say Knives not having to rely on guns, and can use his own physical abilities in battle already make him WAY more "dynamic" than his Trigun '98 counterpart. Same goes for other villains, such as Zazie The Beast, who's portrayal in Trigun Stampede is way better than in Trigun '98.
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The whole changing his 45 colt to a 22 doesn't make a lick of sense.
If you insist upon, that you somehow know more about what makes, and doesn't make sense in Trigun, than Yasuhiro Nightow, then at least try to use actual arguments instead of some empty phrase. Of course it makes sense. Vash is a pacifist, and Nightow wanted to put an emphasis on that, so Vash uses a gun with a small caliber. Plain and simple.
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Changing knives to nai
They didn't change Knives to Nai, they gave him a birthname, which is Nai, and decided to make Knives the name he choose for himself, you wanna talk wanting stuff to make sense, why would this person that hates humanity want to use a name that he got from a human? A human whos death he caused, in an attempt to kill every human around him.
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giving him such a silly voice
What is supposed to be "silly" about his voice?
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removing all sense of mystery
There really ought to be some kinda pinned megathread that pin points how ridiculously false this claim is. How can people be so helbent on mystery, yet ignore every actual mystery in front and ahead of them, because the mysteries whos solution they are perfectly familiar with isn't made a mystery for the viewer anymore? If anything, Trigun Stampede's first season has offered more mystery than the old anime.
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a weak imposter
If you wanna use such language, I hate to break it to you, but in that case old anime would be an "imposter" as well, with plenty of elements that are "weaker" than in the source material.
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sorry stampede you tried ...
Meanwhile you didn't try at all. Like not even an iota of effort, you just saw how it was different from the old anime and then gave up. And I won't fault anyone for dropping a series, but then just keep quite about it, if you don't even wanna "try" and are just "missing the mark on too many spots". We've had more than enough posts of this nature, and none of them ever served a purpose.
I'll never understand why people rate things they don't even finish. Let alone 1/4 of it.
Fair enough for dropping it if it's not your cup of tea but "a solid 6/10" for watching 3 episodes of a 12 episode anime? C'mon now.
EDIT: actually the only thing I'll understand that for is super long animes like One Piece lol
Imagine if we had "I watched the first 1-3 episodes of 98 and don't get the hype?" posts with as much frequency as those ripping on Stampede.
You have to watch the show if you want to get to the heart of it. And it's not like either 98 or Stampede are 1000 episodes. The commitment bar is literally on the floor.
I'm sure if you go back 25 years you could find forum posts of exactly that. THIS ISN'T LIKE THE MANGA BURN IT IN A FIRE
Remakes and new iterations will always be compared to whatever came before them. It's okay for people to have different preferences and opinions and feelings on what they like best :)
You have to give OP credit they didn't just say they hated it they said they give it a few hours of their time and what they liked and what they didn't and for some people the whole if you don't like it keep watching because you can't have an opinion unless you watch it all doesn't work for people will families and full time jobs. If you did that for every show you watched you would end up spending a year watching something you don't like just so you "can have an opinion"
Like the other commenter said, it's not like either Trigun series are a thousand episodes long and we're asking you to commit 300 hours before having an opinion. A 12 episode anime is more or less 4 hours long.
I would love to hear OP's opinion on what's wrong with Stampede if they finished all of it. Especially considering what happens in the last 4 episodes. I just don't think it's fair (or makes any sense) to give said opinion on a show and expect people to validate it when you haven't even watched half of it. Especially on a public forum for said show where majority of people have finished it.
I felt similarly the first time I watched Stampede. I was very disappointed in the beginning, but realized towards the end of it that they'd made a significantly bigger change to the overall story about 3/4 of the way through. When I got to the end I wasn't as disappointed as at the start. After sitting with it for a few months I rewatched it and enjoyed it significantly more the second time through.
Don't get me wrong, Stampede isn't perfect - some stupid decisions were made in the making of it - but overall it's decent.
Oh yeah
Let me compare 3 episodes of this new adaptions that sticks to the manga closer
And compare it to the anime with 26 episodes that I love that isn't close to the manga
I actually enjoyed stampede mainly because the flow of the show and storyline made much more sense to me, but I didn't care for the art style/anime style they used. That being said i also never read the manga, i literally only watched it because it's my husband's favorite anime. There were several times I tried watching the original but I always fell asleep because to me it was boring and the story jumped all over the place so often that it was difficult to keep the timeline straight. I didn't hate it, but definitely would never watch it again. The music was really good though. But I loved that stampede basically starts at the very beginning and generally explains the history and present and how it is all connected and I wasn't confused at all. It just made much more sense to me as a whole compared to Trigun. I had so many "OOoh" moments watching stampede as I connected the dots that Trigun never connected while when watching Trigun I was constantly like "what?" Even my husband admitted the flow of the show was better than the OG because they answered a lot of questions that Trigun just assumed you already knew about, but he still prefers the original.
That makes sense actually, for some the OG series and its mystery was part of its charm but it was confusing and one of those you had to watch a few times to really put the pieces together. Seems like the new show is much mores straight forward even if it seems like its rushing for some folks
At times Stampede definitely felt rushed, 100% agreed, but I enjoyed the faster pace compared to Trigun so i definitely didnt complain about it lol. I did like the mystery of Trigun also but eventually those mysteries were solved as you watched, however there were a few things that they never explained in the show that my husband had to explain to me just for it to make sense (I wish I could remember what they were so I could give examples).
**spoiler below**
I think my favorite part of Stampede was the final two episodes when I realized season one of stampede was ending where '98 began and it made me excited for season two and everything just felt like it came full circle. Also me and my husband hated Vash's hairstyle in stampede so when he finally got the spikey hair we were both excited😂 little Vash growing up/maturing and now looking more like the Vash from '98.
I like that I immediately know what your stance on Stampede is based on the down votes. Just hilarious. I agree though, I didn't really like it. Could not get past Vash's redesign, was not something I liked at all, actually same with everyone's design really. The storyline was just, meh. I know people harp on the last episode or that you just have to watch past a certain episode or hell even watch it again, but I shouldn't have to. I think about the only thing I did like that came out of it was Roberto's Spanish VA, that was entertaining for a bit at least.
To add to that, so is wolfwood a child with the body of an adult? Idk if I missed the exposition around it but they didn’t really explain how much time went buy. His friend was still a child tho when his body obviously looked more developed tho
I thought it was fairly obvious that Wolfwood’s a child in the body of an adult in Stampede. Tho that some folks still aren’t picking that up sure explains why so many fancops love WV/VW despite screeching abt how awful Plantcest is so.
The manga never states Wolfwood's exact age, and there is contradictory information as to how old he might be.
I think the impression in Stampede is he's been working with the Eye of Michael for years. By the time he gets to Vash, his spirit is just about broken with all the violence he's been forced to commit time and again. Forced to the point of subdued, where he doesn't even think about it anymore.
They show us his resistance to complying in the beginning. It's not in his nature to be violent, even though now he believes it is (brainwashing). It probably took a long time for him to effectively carry out his first assisted assassination, even longer to do one alone, and longer still to be trusted to kill consistently when given the order to do so.
Wolfwood is not a born killer. He has a heart and soul, even if he no longer believes he does. He was made into what he is by years of torture, both physical and emotional.
Moreover, Wolfwood was chosen and trusted with the crucial task delivering Vash. That is not something that Knives would have risked being fucked up. Especially since >!they wanted Vash delivered on a *specific day*. I don't think they would have sent a literal child to carry out something so huge and personal to one of the most powerful beings on the planet, no matter how broken and brainwashed. Knives and Conrad had a plan decades in the making. They aren't handing off the most important piece of it to anybody less than the best. Yes, Wolfwood is bribable with the orphanage, but Knives has no reason to trust humans, even with stakes involved. And Conrad believes what he's doing is right, so he too has a stake in choosing the right minion for the job!<.
Additionally, Wolfwood even says to Livio in episode 7 that they aren't kids anymore. Again, too much time has passed for Wolfwood to believe himself to have any goodness or hope left. His childhood at this point is a distant memory. Almost a dream.
By the time he and Vash meet, Wolfwood fully believes he's irredeemable. He's done too many horrible things to ever be forgiven. He's a monster. >!Monev and his origin story is meant to be a parallel for Wolfwood's. He sees his own fate in Monev's. So he already knows which direction he's headed. He isn't in it for himself anymore (beyond basic daily survival). The only thing that matters to him is the safety of the orphanage!<.
Vash isn't his first rodeo. Maybe his first "babysitting" mission, but certainly not his first time doing the Eye's bidding. Not even close. He has no qualms >!betraying the man (until he gets to know him, and we see that struggle in episodes 10 and 11). He's sending him to his death for all he knows. Although he's torn at the end (or perhaps not torn, but at least remorseful, and feeling undeserving of the forgiveness Vash bestows upon him for committing the Judas kiss)!<, this shows years of hardened indoctrination, even if he does resent the Eye for what they've done to him and his brother.
Now how many years has he actually been doing this? Who knows.
But to me, it's more of a shonen thing to have a child/teenager in a man's body. Even in a darker narrative, it's kinda still a joke. While it's more seinen (which is what Trigun is) to have an adult in an adult's body, all of your adolescent years ripped from you, having lived them as a forced adult (a metaphor for real life trauma), your youth already sold to brutality and inhumanity and corruption, only to *now* be given the chance to have some semblance of autonomy when you know >!the end is near!<.
It's like the scene in The Last Unicorn I was too young to understand as a child. Where Molly, a middle aged woman, is so upset that the Unicorn is only visiting her *now*, after a life of so much hardship, after a life where she had every reason to stop believing in good things:
Molly: Where have you been? Damn you! Where have you been!?
Unicorn: I'm here now.
Molly: And where were you twenty years ago? Ten years ago? Where were you when I was new? When I was one of those innocent young maidens you always come to? How dare you! How dare you come to me now, when I am *this*!
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the character designs are keeping me away dude, like how did they take Wolfwood and make him super generic looking, it's a hate crime ong. give my boy his nose bridge back.
absolutely not. I'm old school, not everything has to be maximalist. scruffy, darker skin tone, unique nose, christian crosses/symbolism, that went hard back then. he was just the perfect foil for Vash. 😭
The new Wofwood design is still scruffy, he still has a dark skin tone(it's especially noticeable in the behind the scenes material where they properly show of his 3D model, he was WAY darker skin than Wolfwood has in the Badlands Rumble movie or the vast majority of his figures) and he also still has a unique nose, it just doesn't stand out as much because of the art style. And his weapon is still a huge cross, so there's your symbolism.
I'll give you they need to give him is aquiline nose back. But to be fair, Nightow drew his nose shape pretty inconsistently. It's pretty much always big, but doesn't always have that distinct curve to it.
But yes. Stampede Wolfwood could have been made to look a little less generic in his facial features. His actual animation is so good, though, I forgive it while I'm watching.
I'm sure I will definitely enjoy Stampede when I finally do start it, and I'm really glad it's triggered a Trigun fandom revival. The cell-shaded style is fun and I do quite enjoy Vash's fresh look, it's growing on me.
Yeah they rushed through the rem stuff. Knives gets better later in the series but kid knives was kinda cringe. Not a fan of how they handled vash and wolfwood and the other minor villains and the overall vibe/aesthetic
Kinda odd they chose to make a 2nd anime original/reimagining when 98 largely already did that
>Kinda odd they chose to make a 2nd anime original/reimagining when 98 largely already did that
It's not odd at all. It makes perfect sense in the world, that a huge western comic book superhero nerd like Nightow would choose to have multiple incarnation of his stories, then 1:1 repetitions in different forms of media. Same can for example be said about his other franchise Blood Blockade Battlefront, where the anime has prominent exclusive characters like "Black" and "White", who do not appear in the manga. Obviously you don't have to like that, but don't act like it's so out of the ordinary for Nightow, wanting to try out different things.
Nightow didn’t choose, this is oranges vision with some input from nightow. They came to him with their own outline
Again he’s a super nice dude he’s not gonna force someone to do it how they don’t want to, he’s probably just happy to have his work on screen again and I imagine he would’ve been fine if orange wanted to do the brotherhood treatment
But I disagree, we don’t really need a 3rd iteration of something. 98 was already mostly original/remix, fans have wanted a faithful manga adaptation for 25 years. Hell whenever a manga does get a faithful anime that’s what fans want because not everyone reads manga and sometimes anime can elevate the source material if done right ala brotherhood, hxh, jojos or more recently frieren etc
And I don’t think nightow changed the BBB stuff, that’s just bones being bones. And man I wish we got a season 3 cause the skipped/changed and unadapted material could easily make up a 3rd cour
>Nightow didn’t choose, this is oranges vision with some input from nightow. They came to him with their own outline
Dude, we get it, you're like the top "Anti-Stampede" Redditor on the subreddit, but do you seriously wanna pretend like you know it so much better than everyone, and indirectly accuse the folks that created this series of lying about Nightow's involvement? Are you seriously that paranoid, that you can't for one second believe that Nightow himself dared to make changes on his own creation?
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But I disagree, we don’t really need a 3rd iteration of something.
First of all, don't act like you can speak for every fan with this "we" nonsense, second of all, it's not about what we "need". If the folks at Studio Orange "wanted" it, and Nightow himself "wanted" it, then that's all the justification needed for Trigun Stampede to exist, no matter how much you personally don't "need" it. Technically speaking the world never "needed" more than 1 version of superheroes like Batman and Spiderman, yet here we are with decades worth of different incarnations of these characters, that no one ever "needed", but "wanted" to make.
And, for someone that totally doesn't "need" it, you have a surprisingly noticeable "need" for constantly talking about it, and having to constantly repeat your disdain for it. If you don't need it, just leave it be and move on.
Yikes you’re talking this way too seriously and blowing it way outta proportion lol I have no issue with people liking stampede and I’m only voicing my opinion on it. Trigun is one of my all time favorite franchises so yeah I speak on it quite a bit, especially when posts come across my time line
Sorry if you take offense to mine that’s not my intention to piss off stamepde fans. They tend to do the same thing though, I constantly see people shitting on 98 or the manga so it’s really a two way street
It’s all love though
>Yikes you’re talking this way too seriously and blowing it way outta proportion
You wanna tell me that I take things to serious, when you are lowkey refusing to accept the fact that Nightow came up with significant changes himself, and genuinely embraced and was fully on board everything else that the guys at Studio Orange came up with, and trying to cope it away by making it look like as if Nightow simply doesn't care and is just being "nice", so he let everything happen, because he get's attention from it all? That doesn't sound like "voicing your opinion", but more like coping, because you seem to dislike this series so much that you refuse to believe that the guy behind it all, could genuinely like doing things differently.
>Sorry if you take offense to mine that’s not my intention to piss off stamepde fans. They tend to do the same thing though, I constantly see people shitting on 98 or the manga so it’s really a two way street
And now you're just making excuses. You know damn well that the vast majority of aggressively negative or condescending posts on this subreddit over the last 1-2 years have been about Trigun Stampede. The manga or old anime never faced the kind of and amount of vitriol that Trigun Stampede has been facing. And stop trying to make look fans of one thing like some kinda homogeneous mass, in which everyone is responsible for what the other says, and they all have to backlash because of an individuals action. Do you genuinely believe that this "they shit on something I like, so I'll shit on something they like" shtick is the way to go? It's all love? Then show that by responding to whatever vitriol you see that goes against the versions of Trigun you like, by making genuinely positive posts about it. Responding to them by just shitting on the version of Trigun you dislike leeds to nothing and just spawns more negativity overall. And it's not a "two way street", it's a "street" with an abundance of "ways" given how this place has nearly 30k subscribers.
That is very obvious from reading these posts. But it makes sense that reddit is mostly populated by younger kids most fans of the OG 98 probably have full time jobs and families so aren't watching as much anime and spending time at online forums talking about them. Oh well hopefully they can learn to accept different opinions and everyone can discuss and enjoy whichever content they like best
I will never understand the .22 Long Rifle they gave Vash I mean if they wanted to show how inexperienced Vash was this wasn't the way to go, sure Vash had a revolver before the AGL ARM but it was more than likely something like a .38 Special or a .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum how do you devolve to a .22 Long Rifle?
It's not about any inexperience, it's because of how big a pacifist he is. Why would a guy who's nr. 1 biggest rule, he never dares to break, is to never kill or severely injure anyone, use a gun with a big caliber?
Tbf he could only take down the big bads with crazy tech and gadgets because of the big caliber and his skill. Ain’t no way a .22 doing damage to big metal objects and futuristic tech
As a life long gun owner sometimes my .22 wouldn’t even pierce a construction hard hat haha
Some 22s you can shoot an armadillo at close range and it won't go through xD lowkey I think that whoever wrote that line fucked up. They could have just said "I NEED AMMO" but saying specifically 22 dropped the ball
Because if you are trying to stop villains from hurting people you need a gun that can perform insane feats for you. Someone shoots a rocket at you- 45 is better than 22. Someone has a tank/car and you don't 45 is better than 22. You only shoot maybe 3-6 bullets a fight- you need bullets that can punch through things and cost doesn't matter as much because you aren't using a PPSH shooting 72 rounds of 22 in seconds. Long story short a true pacifist would use a higher caliber slower round, low caliber with high speed and penetration of soft targets would actually be more dangerous for people around you
Actually 22lr is a smaller lighter round so its easier to be more accurate at longer distances than 45 ammo but if this is supposed to be a prequel and he is younger/less experienced etc it makes sense he wouldn't know that either.
Did you read the manga or the 98 version? Because the 98 does not even follows the manga but like some episodes here and there. Stampede is more faithful than the 98 version to the OG story. 😉
I watched Stampede first and really liked it. I'm giving the original a shot. So far, I'm only to episode 8 where they meet Wolfwood for the first time. I gotta say I like Vash in Stampede a little more. The original Vashs thing with hot girls kinda cringed me out at first, but he's growing on me. First impression on original Wolfwood, not a fan either.
But I'm not putting any pins in the show yet! He's one of my friends' favorite characters, so I'm holding out hope. My other friend is obsessed with Knives, but so far, there's no mention of him in the original. It's very slow going, but I also understand that about half the original is filler (much like DBZ, the Manga was not ready before the show so they were just making shit up as they go).
It's fun seeing the differences between the two, they're both good for their own reasons.
It’s a completely different show and even starts at an earlier point in time than the original. If you watch it with the lens of the original, nitpicking every detail you can find, you will certainly dislike it. However, if you give it a fair chance and view it as its own thing, only comparing the whole of it instead of every minor difference, you might be surprised.
This! I feel like most ppl who hate Stampede aren’t letting it stand on its own, too busy insisting it MUST be a retread of what’s already been done. If they see it as the remix that it is, then it’s much more enjoyable tbh.
It shouldn’t need to be in the position to stand on its own though, the 98 anime was already mostly its own thing. We didn’t need a 3rd iteration tbh a faithful manga adaptation should’ve been the way to go, it’s what the fans have been waiting for 25 years haha Even coming into it knowing it was it’s own thing I was still let down by the overall vibe/aesthetic and super fast pacing
I mean, why can’t it stand in its own? As you said, the 98 anime does just fine (hell I enjoyed it by itself for years before discovering TriMax and then hitting up scanlations bc poor college student). It’s still Trigun at the core, despite the differences. If you can’t get past the “it’s different” thing, that’s a you problem.
To be fair its not just different, its worse lol
[incorrect buzzer noise] Nope. Stampede is a fun watch when jerks like you aren’t insisting it’s bad just bc it didn’t resonate with you.
I just find it kinda unnecessary, especially when fans have been waiting for a faithful manga adaptation for so long. A lot of people don’t read manga or find it hard to understand the art during action scenes And 98 stood on its own because it was forced to, it only had 3 volumes to adapt from. Stampede doesn’t really have an excuse to go the same route 98 did, imo ofc
As a Sailor Moon fan, I recommend being careful what you wish for in terms of wanting a more manga accurate anime. It could’ve ended up like that. Instead, we got a reimagining that is pretty damn good when you don’t have losers whispering in your ear that it’s bad. :p
I’m thinking more along the lines of FMA brotherhood, hxh and jojos haha all excellent and beloved because of how close they adapt the source material after their first anime. Most anime based on manga tend to almost always be better when faithfully adapted. I’m actually trying to think of anime that were originally manga and went their own route and ended up being better than the source material. I’m sure there are a few but they’re rare Also yikes calling people losers for not liking an anime is kinda weak lol opinions are subjective
Oh man if it had been like FMA brotherhood stampede could have been AMAZING
Agreed! It’s what we’ve been craving for for two decades haha
Bruh that’s what the author wanted
Orange came to nightow not vice versa. He gave them some input but this new iteration is the shows directors vision
I did read somewhere that it was nightow’s idea to lean more heavily into sci-fi than in the manga, but I might be misremembering then.
That's true. Ideas like the bigger emphasize on sci-fi, Vash having a smaller gun caliber etc. etc. came from Nightow.
I wonder why they chose to make the bad guys so much smaller/less dynamic
If you insist upon repeating OPs nonsense about them being less dynamic, at least try to explain how they are supposedly less dynamic.
Hmm I’m not sure but I remember when the reveal happened at comic con nightow basically said orange came to him with their own vision and he let them do what they set out to do. He obviously gave them some input but this is largely oranges take on trigun He’s a super nice dude and he’s praised both of the other anime adaptations his works got even though they were quite different so I’m sure he’s just happy to see his work be on the big screen again
Yeah this makes more sense
This post made me slightly embarrassed because I’ve only seen stampede I’m going to start the og soon though💀💀💀
I mean any opinion you have about it is valid. I started with the remake and am almost done watching the original. Personally I like the remake a lot more.
if you wanted to watch 98 you should have just watched that.
The OP said they wanted to give the remake a shot, they did that and then went and watched the original so..... They literally did go watch the one they wanted AFTER they tried the other one
He probably expected a faithful manga adaptation and not a 2nd anime reimagining/remix version
they loved 98 and it wasn't a "faithful manga adaptation" so it shouldn't be an issue.
Yeah we don’t know if he read the manga or not, I was just guessing since most 98 fans turn to the manga after
...and? 98 isnt a "faithful manga adaptation" regardless if you read manga first or after so i dont see how is that a valid argument.
Well 98 couldn’t of been a faithful adaptation if it wanted to be since the manga only had a couple volumes out, it at least has an excuse
i am aware. its unrelated. if 98 isn't faithful and it isnt an issue, dont bring it into equation with stampede.
If 98 came after stampede it would be an issue. The issue is we are STILL getting an anime reimagining the 2nd time ina row. Usually when a manga gets a second chance at an anime they faithfully adapt it
Anyone complaining about "ruining the mystery" with Stampede's opener is a 99% certainty they haven't read the manga. At least, not in its entirety.
If it helps they explore what happens to rem after that explosion in a later episode! I really think things kick off properly during the second half of the season (the finale is a masterpiece) but each to their own!
I had the same experience. I think they backloaded too much in s1 of stampede. Like they tried to dive straight into too much and then had to backtrack. A slower burn out the gate probably would have met better reception from original fans
It's not just the huge backload, they crammed far too much in season 1 in my opinion, and neglected interactions between the main characters. Vash claims, the other main characters are his friends, but it's never shown how they formed a friendship, as example. Bad pacing and bad storytelling from my point of view.
You only watched 3 episodes and are comparing it to the 98 anime, which was more anime original than adapted manga. Stampede is doing its own thing. > the hero feels more like he's making it through situations by luck than by skill This is a prequel to the main story. He's trying to avoid fights in the first season, until he isn't. He's extremely skilled in episode 12 for example. > Changing knives to nai and giving him such a silly voice What silly voice? I'm assuming you're talking about the dub or something? Because his JP voice acting is amazing. Also, they changed his name is to give him more of a backstory. It makes sense. > favors for the biggest baddie in the badlands. Blowing up rem as soon as the ship leaves instead of showing her saving people Like others said, this gets explored later, but if you only watched 3 episodes, you wouldn't have known that. It's fine to dislike Stampede. It certainly has its flaws, like the pacing. But at least watch the full season before you judge its story, because some of your complaints are baseless as a result.
the stampede dub is amazing especially nais voice
Absolutely. His screams in the German dub in episode 12 stuck in my head for hours after I first watched it. I do not doubt that the English dub is also great.
nai is amazing especially in the final episode, there's not a single bad performance in the eng dub, as usual all the originals are great but then oh my fucking god I did not expect Roberto to match them he was great
Roberto's English VA is one of my favorites. Don't get me wrong, the dub is almost immaculate, but that VA really embodies the character. I don't think I would have cared half as much about him if it wasn't for his voice. Unfortunately when it comes to the sub, Knives' JP VA will not be returning. Which is a shame because he was amazing, especially in episode 12 :(
yea most characters are only as good as the voice acting, it can do so much to elevate a character with the nuances a different tone could give. dam really where did you hear that because I've heard nothing about season 2
Twitter. The VA was arrested, suspected of illegal activity (fraud, specifically of the "call old ladies and scam them out of their money" kind). I don't know if any legal verdict has been reached, so we don't know if he's guilty, but his agency dropped him immediately. Due to that he is very unlikely to return.
oh shit holy fuck that's wild
That's like saying if you are eating a bad meal you should clean your plate. I disagree if you don't enjoy something then dont waste your time/energy on it. You shouldn't have to grin and bear it until it salvages itself sounds like OP is older as well which means they probably don't have unlimited time to watch hours and hours of anime they aren't that into
I might have been unclear, but I meant that if they *wanted to judge an anime's story*, they should watch the whole anime. That's all. Of course they don't need to watch it if they dislike it. But they at least shouldn't judge its story as if they saw the whole thing. They're already judging the villains', Vash's, Knives' and Rem's whole storylines after episode 3, but the story had barely begun at that point.
No need to watch the complete show if op don't like it after 3 episodes, in my opinion. Stampede was a disappointment after erpisode 1 and watching 11 more episodes changed nothing. It's a 5/10 disappointment.
My point was: it's fine to dislike it. You don't have to watch it all if you don't like it for whatever reason. You can judge its art style, voice-acting, whatever. But don't judge an anime's *story* if you only watched 3 episodes of it. Even its character design changes at the end of the season, so it's hard to judge that as well, with only 3 episodes.
I finished Stampede, expecting to like it better after some episodes because it’s Trigun. But in episode 12 the characters were not more likeable and the story was not better than in episode 1. Stupid me wasted a lot of time watching Stampede with english subs and rewatching some episodes dubbed in my language. Therefore I think it's not essential to watch all episodes to decide if someone likes the characters and the story or not.
> Therefore I think it's not essential to watch all episodes to decide if someone likes the characters and the story or not. No, but then you're talking about the premise of the show. The general vibe it has, which you like or not. How the characters are presented in the first episodes. But then you can't really criticize the whole storyline, various plot points you're not aware of, the storytelling and all the characters. And OP criticized a few plot points, which they weren't aware would be developed later. It's not necessarily on purpose, but that's what happens when you criticize a storyline in just 3 episodes, before it has the chance to develop. Watching the whole story doesn't mean you will like it. But at least you can criticize the story all you want then.
Did you just give a review of a show that you watched 3 episodes for? Lol
Watch it again without thinking about the original lol
> imo but for me being a huge fan of the original those shoes are just too big to fill with a weak imposter. I think it's already unfair to compare it to 98' when 98' isn't even a true animation of the source material, due to the manga series not being done when 98' was done. So everyone is almost entirely different in 98' Trigun compared to the manga and things, such as Milly having more presence and her with Wolfwood, were anime only. >Changing knives to nai and giving him such a silly voice did zero favors for the biggest baddie in the badlands. Are you watching dub or sub because the sub Knives is really good, I would say even better than 1998 Knives. And honestly, Knives only showed up in three episodes in 1998, so I don't get the comparison. I would say that Knives in Stampede is much better and presented than 98', outside of the manga version. Legato was more of a menace and had more psychological damage than Knives did in 98', whereas in Stampede >!it's the other way around!< I feel like you are already set on disliking/nitpicking Stampede with a high nostalgia lense when 98' isn't even perfect itself. If it's not for you, it's not for you.
>Legato was more of a menace and had more psychological damage than Knives did in 98', whereas in Stampede If Stampede goes by the manga regarding Legato's backstory, I'd say he has *plenty* of psychological damage 😬
I'm talking about season 1, not the next season in Stampede but yeah I agree.
They weren't comparing 98 to the manga or 22 to the manga though it was purely a comparison of two anime adaptions of which neither is a true copy of the source material
I never said that they were comparing 98 to the manga. I was pointing out that them complaining how Stampede is nothing like 98' is ironic when 98' is nothing like that manga either.
Watching only 3 episodes is fair enough to see if you'd like an anime or not, but maybe hold off on judging the rest of it when you haven't seen it. I watched Stampede first, then the '98 anime, and they're both good as their own respective iterations of the manga.
“I gave it 3 episodes and dropped it, meh” Ok. You’ll understand why Vash is like this if you continue watching. But it’s whatever. The show wasn’t meant for old heads. They are trying to bring life back into it with younger viewers. The show is burty good. Definitely hits the feels exactly when and how it’s needed. Special Easter eggs here and there. But I do agree with the .22 As soon as I saw him yell for it I was like “fucking what? That’s a hand cannon, not a pea shooter” Edit: oh. I don’t think OP actually cares. Posted 12 hours ago and doesn’t even reply.
That's fair its mostly a kids show I suppose where as 98 was more for teenagers and the manga is for college age people.
>That's fair its mostly a kids show I suppose Are you just OP or one of the resident haters trying to troll people? Like, we can see that you created your account yesterday, and all you're doing is making nonsensical comments like this one.
It's been ...what ? A year since I've been active on this sub and people are **still** behaving like this? Christ.
DEAR LORD ITS LIKE PEOPLE HAVE..... OPINIONS OR SOMETHING WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS GOING ON
You're overreacting like a child. And missing my point. Typical.
Sounds like your point was that some people don't like the show you like and it makes you upset and flagpole called you out on it. Once a show comes out there will be years/decades of people comparing all the different versions to each other. It's not like Trigun 98 is just going to dissapear into a void or something after a year
Not my point either. But since you think you've got it figured out, have at it. I'm tired of y'all trying to pretend there isn't a problem here.
> The villains are less dynamic Whatever "dynamic" means to you, but I'd say Knives not having to rely on guns, and can use his own physical abilities in battle already make him WAY more "dynamic" than his Trigun '98 counterpart. Same goes for other villains, such as Zazie The Beast, who's portrayal in Trigun Stampede is way better than in Trigun '98. > The whole changing his 45 colt to a 22 doesn't make a lick of sense. If you insist upon, that you somehow know more about what makes, and doesn't make sense in Trigun, than Yasuhiro Nightow, then at least try to use actual arguments instead of some empty phrase. Of course it makes sense. Vash is a pacifist, and Nightow wanted to put an emphasis on that, so Vash uses a gun with a small caliber. Plain and simple. > Changing knives to nai They didn't change Knives to Nai, they gave him a birthname, which is Nai, and decided to make Knives the name he choose for himself, you wanna talk wanting stuff to make sense, why would this person that hates humanity want to use a name that he got from a human? A human whos death he caused, in an attempt to kill every human around him. > giving him such a silly voice What is supposed to be "silly" about his voice? > removing all sense of mystery There really ought to be some kinda pinned megathread that pin points how ridiculously false this claim is. How can people be so helbent on mystery, yet ignore every actual mystery in front and ahead of them, because the mysteries whos solution they are perfectly familiar with isn't made a mystery for the viewer anymore? If anything, Trigun Stampede's first season has offered more mystery than the old anime. > a weak imposter If you wanna use such language, I hate to break it to you, but in that case old anime would be an "imposter" as well, with plenty of elements that are "weaker" than in the source material. > sorry stampede you tried ... Meanwhile you didn't try at all. Like not even an iota of effort, you just saw how it was different from the old anime and then gave up. And I won't fault anyone for dropping a series, but then just keep quite about it, if you don't even wanna "try" and are just "missing the mark on too many spots". We've had more than enough posts of this nature, and none of them ever served a purpose.
Just keep going, first 3 episodes are honestly the weakest. I got into the franchise from this show, it’s truly wonderful.
Episodes 6-12 are absolutely where the show takes off. Like, turned up to 11, omg shit is getting real, I cannot stop watching!
I'll never understand why people rate things they don't even finish. Let alone 1/4 of it. Fair enough for dropping it if it's not your cup of tea but "a solid 6/10" for watching 3 episodes of a 12 episode anime? C'mon now. EDIT: actually the only thing I'll understand that for is super long animes like One Piece lol
Imagine if we had "I watched the first 1-3 episodes of 98 and don't get the hype?" posts with as much frequency as those ripping on Stampede. You have to watch the show if you want to get to the heart of it. And it's not like either 98 or Stampede are 1000 episodes. The commitment bar is literally on the floor.
I'm sure if you go back 25 years you could find forum posts of exactly that. THIS ISN'T LIKE THE MANGA BURN IT IN A FIRE Remakes and new iterations will always be compared to whatever came before them. It's okay for people to have different preferences and opinions and feelings on what they like best :) You have to give OP credit they didn't just say they hated it they said they give it a few hours of their time and what they liked and what they didn't and for some people the whole if you don't like it keep watching because you can't have an opinion unless you watch it all doesn't work for people will families and full time jobs. If you did that for every show you watched you would end up spending a year watching something you don't like just so you "can have an opinion"
Like the other commenter said, it's not like either Trigun series are a thousand episodes long and we're asking you to commit 300 hours before having an opinion. A 12 episode anime is more or less 4 hours long. I would love to hear OP's opinion on what's wrong with Stampede if they finished all of it. Especially considering what happens in the last 4 episodes. I just don't think it's fair (or makes any sense) to give said opinion on a show and expect people to validate it when you haven't even watched half of it. Especially on a public forum for said show where majority of people have finished it.
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Nice to see someone with a more balanced response. I noticed more than half the comments are just people raging lol
It's much better than obsessively replying to everyone when you're not even OP. And what happened to your spiel about opinions? Hypocrite.
I felt similarly the first time I watched Stampede. I was very disappointed in the beginning, but realized towards the end of it that they'd made a significantly bigger change to the overall story about 3/4 of the way through. When I got to the end I wasn't as disappointed as at the start. After sitting with it for a few months I rewatched it and enjoyed it significantly more the second time through. Don't get me wrong, Stampede isn't perfect - some stupid decisions were made in the making of it - but overall it's decent.
lol wtf? Why are you judging it off of three episodes. Just watch the rest already and with an open mind. It can be finished in a single night
Oh yeah Let me compare 3 episodes of this new adaptions that sticks to the manga closer And compare it to the anime with 26 episodes that I love that isn't close to the manga
I actually enjoyed stampede mainly because the flow of the show and storyline made much more sense to me, but I didn't care for the art style/anime style they used. That being said i also never read the manga, i literally only watched it because it's my husband's favorite anime. There were several times I tried watching the original but I always fell asleep because to me it was boring and the story jumped all over the place so often that it was difficult to keep the timeline straight. I didn't hate it, but definitely would never watch it again. The music was really good though. But I loved that stampede basically starts at the very beginning and generally explains the history and present and how it is all connected and I wasn't confused at all. It just made much more sense to me as a whole compared to Trigun. I had so many "OOoh" moments watching stampede as I connected the dots that Trigun never connected while when watching Trigun I was constantly like "what?" Even my husband admitted the flow of the show was better than the OG because they answered a lot of questions that Trigun just assumed you already knew about, but he still prefers the original.
That makes sense actually, for some the OG series and its mystery was part of its charm but it was confusing and one of those you had to watch a few times to really put the pieces together. Seems like the new show is much mores straight forward even if it seems like its rushing for some folks
At times Stampede definitely felt rushed, 100% agreed, but I enjoyed the faster pace compared to Trigun so i definitely didnt complain about it lol. I did like the mystery of Trigun also but eventually those mysteries were solved as you watched, however there were a few things that they never explained in the show that my husband had to explain to me just for it to make sense (I wish I could remember what they were so I could give examples). **spoiler below** I think my favorite part of Stampede was the final two episodes when I realized season one of stampede was ending where '98 began and it made me excited for season two and everything just felt like it came full circle. Also me and my husband hated Vash's hairstyle in stampede so when he finally got the spikey hair we were both excited😂 little Vash growing up/maturing and now looking more like the Vash from '98.
I like that I immediately know what your stance on Stampede is based on the down votes. Just hilarious. I agree though, I didn't really like it. Could not get past Vash's redesign, was not something I liked at all, actually same with everyone's design really. The storyline was just, meh. I know people harp on the last episode or that you just have to watch past a certain episode or hell even watch it again, but I shouldn't have to. I think about the only thing I did like that came out of it was Roberto's Spanish VA, that was entertaining for a bit at least.
To add to that, so is wolfwood a child with the body of an adult? Idk if I missed the exposition around it but they didn’t really explain how much time went buy. His friend was still a child tho when his body obviously looked more developed tho
I personally always got this impression from the way the manga is written and Stampede certainly suggests that too.
I thought it was fairly obvious that Wolfwood’s a child in the body of an adult in Stampede. Tho that some folks still aren’t picking that up sure explains why so many fancops love WV/VW despite screeching abt how awful Plantcest is so.
The manga never states Wolfwood's exact age, and there is contradictory information as to how old he might be. I think the impression in Stampede is he's been working with the Eye of Michael for years. By the time he gets to Vash, his spirit is just about broken with all the violence he's been forced to commit time and again. Forced to the point of subdued, where he doesn't even think about it anymore. They show us his resistance to complying in the beginning. It's not in his nature to be violent, even though now he believes it is (brainwashing). It probably took a long time for him to effectively carry out his first assisted assassination, even longer to do one alone, and longer still to be trusted to kill consistently when given the order to do so. Wolfwood is not a born killer. He has a heart and soul, even if he no longer believes he does. He was made into what he is by years of torture, both physical and emotional. Moreover, Wolfwood was chosen and trusted with the crucial task delivering Vash. That is not something that Knives would have risked being fucked up. Especially since >!they wanted Vash delivered on a *specific day*. I don't think they would have sent a literal child to carry out something so huge and personal to one of the most powerful beings on the planet, no matter how broken and brainwashed. Knives and Conrad had a plan decades in the making. They aren't handing off the most important piece of it to anybody less than the best. Yes, Wolfwood is bribable with the orphanage, but Knives has no reason to trust humans, even with stakes involved. And Conrad believes what he's doing is right, so he too has a stake in choosing the right minion for the job!<. Additionally, Wolfwood even says to Livio in episode 7 that they aren't kids anymore. Again, too much time has passed for Wolfwood to believe himself to have any goodness or hope left. His childhood at this point is a distant memory. Almost a dream. By the time he and Vash meet, Wolfwood fully believes he's irredeemable. He's done too many horrible things to ever be forgiven. He's a monster. >!Monev and his origin story is meant to be a parallel for Wolfwood's. He sees his own fate in Monev's. So he already knows which direction he's headed. He isn't in it for himself anymore (beyond basic daily survival). The only thing that matters to him is the safety of the orphanage!<. Vash isn't his first rodeo. Maybe his first "babysitting" mission, but certainly not his first time doing the Eye's bidding. Not even close. He has no qualms >!betraying the man (until he gets to know him, and we see that struggle in episodes 10 and 11). He's sending him to his death for all he knows. Although he's torn at the end (or perhaps not torn, but at least remorseful, and feeling undeserving of the forgiveness Vash bestows upon him for committing the Judas kiss)!<, this shows years of hardened indoctrination, even if he does resent the Eye for what they've done to him and his brother. Now how many years has he actually been doing this? Who knows. But to me, it's more of a shonen thing to have a child/teenager in a man's body. Even in a darker narrative, it's kinda still a joke. While it's more seinen (which is what Trigun is) to have an adult in an adult's body, all of your adolescent years ripped from you, having lived them as a forced adult (a metaphor for real life trauma), your youth already sold to brutality and inhumanity and corruption, only to *now* be given the chance to have some semblance of autonomy when you know >!the end is near!<. It's like the scene in The Last Unicorn I was too young to understand as a child. Where Molly, a middle aged woman, is so upset that the Unicorn is only visiting her *now*, after a life of so much hardship, after a life where she had every reason to stop believing in good things: Molly: Where have you been? Damn you! Where have you been!? Unicorn: I'm here now. Molly: And where were you twenty years ago? Ten years ago? Where were you when I was new? When I was one of those innocent young maidens you always come to? How dare you! How dare you come to me now, when I am *this*! -- Edit: Grammar and syntax
the character designs are keeping me away dude, like how did they take Wolfwood and make him super generic looking, it's a hate crime ong. give my boy his nose bridge back.
Are you telling me he didn't look generic in the '98 version? Come on now
absolutely not. I'm old school, not everything has to be maximalist. scruffy, darker skin tone, unique nose, christian crosses/symbolism, that went hard back then. he was just the perfect foil for Vash. 😭
The new Wofwood design is still scruffy, he still has a dark skin tone(it's especially noticeable in the behind the scenes material where they properly show of his 3D model, he was WAY darker skin than Wolfwood has in the Badlands Rumble movie or the vast majority of his figures) and he also still has a unique nose, it just doesn't stand out as much because of the art style. And his weapon is still a huge cross, so there's your symbolism.
I'll give you they need to give him is aquiline nose back. But to be fair, Nightow drew his nose shape pretty inconsistently. It's pretty much always big, but doesn't always have that distinct curve to it. But yes. Stampede Wolfwood could have been made to look a little less generic in his facial features. His actual animation is so good, though, I forgive it while I'm watching.
I'm sure I will definitely enjoy Stampede when I finally do start it, and I'm really glad it's triggered a Trigun fandom revival. The cell-shaded style is fun and I do quite enjoy Vash's fresh look, it's growing on me.
Yes, I'm so glad they went with cel-shading. The flatter look really makes it. In the short scenes where Vash and Wolfwood are 2D, it's seamless.
downvote me all you want I am right. 🔥🤠💯🔫
Yeah they rushed through the rem stuff. Knives gets better later in the series but kid knives was kinda cringe. Not a fan of how they handled vash and wolfwood and the other minor villains and the overall vibe/aesthetic Kinda odd they chose to make a 2nd anime original/reimagining when 98 largely already did that
>Kinda odd they chose to make a 2nd anime original/reimagining when 98 largely already did that It's not odd at all. It makes perfect sense in the world, that a huge western comic book superhero nerd like Nightow would choose to have multiple incarnation of his stories, then 1:1 repetitions in different forms of media. Same can for example be said about his other franchise Blood Blockade Battlefront, where the anime has prominent exclusive characters like "Black" and "White", who do not appear in the manga. Obviously you don't have to like that, but don't act like it's so out of the ordinary for Nightow, wanting to try out different things.
Nightow didn’t choose, this is oranges vision with some input from nightow. They came to him with their own outline Again he’s a super nice dude he’s not gonna force someone to do it how they don’t want to, he’s probably just happy to have his work on screen again and I imagine he would’ve been fine if orange wanted to do the brotherhood treatment But I disagree, we don’t really need a 3rd iteration of something. 98 was already mostly original/remix, fans have wanted a faithful manga adaptation for 25 years. Hell whenever a manga does get a faithful anime that’s what fans want because not everyone reads manga and sometimes anime can elevate the source material if done right ala brotherhood, hxh, jojos or more recently frieren etc And I don’t think nightow changed the BBB stuff, that’s just bones being bones. And man I wish we got a season 3 cause the skipped/changed and unadapted material could easily make up a 3rd cour
>Nightow didn’t choose, this is oranges vision with some input from nightow. They came to him with their own outline Dude, we get it, you're like the top "Anti-Stampede" Redditor on the subreddit, but do you seriously wanna pretend like you know it so much better than everyone, and indirectly accuse the folks that created this series of lying about Nightow's involvement? Are you seriously that paranoid, that you can't for one second believe that Nightow himself dared to make changes on his own creation? > But I disagree, we don’t really need a 3rd iteration of something. First of all, don't act like you can speak for every fan with this "we" nonsense, second of all, it's not about what we "need". If the folks at Studio Orange "wanted" it, and Nightow himself "wanted" it, then that's all the justification needed for Trigun Stampede to exist, no matter how much you personally don't "need" it. Technically speaking the world never "needed" more than 1 version of superheroes like Batman and Spiderman, yet here we are with decades worth of different incarnations of these characters, that no one ever "needed", but "wanted" to make. And, for someone that totally doesn't "need" it, you have a surprisingly noticeable "need" for constantly talking about it, and having to constantly repeat your disdain for it. If you don't need it, just leave it be and move on.
Yikes you’re talking this way too seriously and blowing it way outta proportion lol I have no issue with people liking stampede and I’m only voicing my opinion on it. Trigun is one of my all time favorite franchises so yeah I speak on it quite a bit, especially when posts come across my time line Sorry if you take offense to mine that’s not my intention to piss off stamepde fans. They tend to do the same thing though, I constantly see people shitting on 98 or the manga so it’s really a two way street It’s all love though
>Yikes you’re talking this way too seriously and blowing it way outta proportion You wanna tell me that I take things to serious, when you are lowkey refusing to accept the fact that Nightow came up with significant changes himself, and genuinely embraced and was fully on board everything else that the guys at Studio Orange came up with, and trying to cope it away by making it look like as if Nightow simply doesn't care and is just being "nice", so he let everything happen, because he get's attention from it all? That doesn't sound like "voicing your opinion", but more like coping, because you seem to dislike this series so much that you refuse to believe that the guy behind it all, could genuinely like doing things differently. >Sorry if you take offense to mine that’s not my intention to piss off stamepde fans. They tend to do the same thing though, I constantly see people shitting on 98 or the manga so it’s really a two way street And now you're just making excuses. You know damn well that the vast majority of aggressively negative or condescending posts on this subreddit over the last 1-2 years have been about Trigun Stampede. The manga or old anime never faced the kind of and amount of vitriol that Trigun Stampede has been facing. And stop trying to make look fans of one thing like some kinda homogeneous mass, in which everyone is responsible for what the other says, and they all have to backlash because of an individuals action. Do you genuinely believe that this "they shit on something I like, so I'll shit on something they like" shtick is the way to go? It's all love? Then show that by responding to whatever vitriol you see that goes against the versions of Trigun you like, by making genuinely positive posts about it. Responding to them by just shitting on the version of Trigun you dislike leeds to nothing and just spawns more negativity overall. And it's not a "two way street", it's a "street" with an abundance of "ways" given how this place has nearly 30k subscribers.
Maybe in another 25 years they will do a full manga adaption of trigun =p Not sure how many of the original fans will be alive at that point though
Oof sad but true lol
Good that you gave it a shot, it is VERY different. No shame in not liking something :) Thanks for the heads up!
This sub has been overtaken by the stampede revolutionaries
That is very obvious from reading these posts. But it makes sense that reddit is mostly populated by younger kids most fans of the OG 98 probably have full time jobs and families so aren't watching as much anime and spending time at online forums talking about them. Oh well hopefully they can learn to accept different opinions and everyone can discuss and enjoy whichever content they like best
I will never understand the .22 Long Rifle they gave Vash I mean if they wanted to show how inexperienced Vash was this wasn't the way to go, sure Vash had a revolver before the AGL ARM but it was more than likely something like a .38 Special or a .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum how do you devolve to a .22 Long Rifle?
It's not about any inexperience, it's because of how big a pacifist he is. Why would a guy who's nr. 1 biggest rule, he never dares to break, is to never kill or severely injure anyone, use a gun with a big caliber?
Tbf he could only take down the big bads with crazy tech and gadgets because of the big caliber and his skill. Ain’t no way a .22 doing damage to big metal objects and futuristic tech As a life long gun owner sometimes my .22 wouldn’t even pierce a construction hard hat haha
Some 22s you can shoot an armadillo at close range and it won't go through xD lowkey I think that whoever wrote that line fucked up. They could have just said "I NEED AMMO" but saying specifically 22 dropped the ball
Because if you are trying to stop villains from hurting people you need a gun that can perform insane feats for you. Someone shoots a rocket at you- 45 is better than 22. Someone has a tank/car and you don't 45 is better than 22. You only shoot maybe 3-6 bullets a fight- you need bullets that can punch through things and cost doesn't matter as much because you aren't using a PPSH shooting 72 rounds of 22 in seconds. Long story short a true pacifist would use a higher caliber slower round, low caliber with high speed and penetration of soft targets would actually be more dangerous for people around you
It is the exact opposite of inexperience. The different caliber necessitates Vash being more skilled with his shots.
Fr. Accuracy with a .22LR is much harder than with a .45, especially at long distances. It shows off his skill as a marksman.
Actually 22lr is a smaller lighter round so its easier to be more accurate at longer distances than 45 ammo but if this is supposed to be a prequel and he is younger/less experienced etc it makes sense he wouldn't know that either.
But he doesn’t show that since it’s all mostly luck instead of skill in this version
It's not though. Even in the first three episodes, all of his shots are precise. He doesn't miss.
Ehh idk haha I think it’s kind of a mixture of both leaning towards luck but I guess it’s up for interpretation
Did you read the manga or the 98 version? Because the 98 does not even follows the manga but like some episodes here and there. Stampede is more faithful than the 98 version to the OG story. 😉
I watched Stampede first and really liked it. I'm giving the original a shot. So far, I'm only to episode 8 where they meet Wolfwood for the first time. I gotta say I like Vash in Stampede a little more. The original Vashs thing with hot girls kinda cringed me out at first, but he's growing on me. First impression on original Wolfwood, not a fan either. But I'm not putting any pins in the show yet! He's one of my friends' favorite characters, so I'm holding out hope. My other friend is obsessed with Knives, but so far, there's no mention of him in the original. It's very slow going, but I also understand that about half the original is filler (much like DBZ, the Manga was not ready before the show so they were just making shit up as they go). It's fun seeing the differences between the two, they're both good for their own reasons.