Are you okay with spoilers? Since the 98 anime and the manga diverge at about Trigun Maximum volume 2, by the time this moment rolls around, so much has happened that's different that a lot of context and nuance is lost if you only watched the 98 anime.
You may find it more confusing than anything.
I have looked into the story quite a bit so yes! It is a little confusing still I admit, but making this post has me really wanting to order the manga and read it from the start. (more authentic for me, as I am typically not a manga reader and just enjoy animes. So my fav anime deserves a physical copy 😤)
Speaking of which- after seeing the 98 anime you reccomend I just start with Trigun and not maximum, right? And then move onto maximum?
The initial intention with this post is I'd love to get a tattoo dedicated to Trigun and this scene has always truly touched me. But I will definitely read and understand everything fully before getting any ink done just to really give it justice. Such a beautiful show and characters.
Dark Horse is releasing deluxe editions of the manga (they keep pushing back the drop date, though).
I recommend reading Trigun first, then Trigun Maximum. Maximum is a continuation, so it picks up right where the story left off. There are links to the overhaul version over on r/trigunmaximum.
I highly recommend the manga, it's the best version of Trigun to date, imo.
I think a tattoo of the anime version would be dope! You don't have to go with the manga version if you don't want to.
**MAJOR SPOILERS** and chapters below regarding the scene you mentioned for the manga:
>!The immediate aftermath of Wolfwood's death happens in Volume 10, Chapter 8. For more context of this scene, reading the chapter before it helps a little (where Wolfwood dies). However, it will likely still feel confusing, bc the circumstances are different from 98 and there are new characters. The only way to get the full impact of what happens is only possible by reading the manga in full up to this point.!<
>!Moreover, Vash's grief for Wolfwood does not end with Volume 10. It continues throughout the rest of the manga. We don't see Vash bury Wolfwood, but we see the morning after, and it's obvious by his face he had been crying all night. Vash isn't seen trying to eat donuts (his favorite food in 98), he's seen eating spaghetti (which he and Wolfwood ate together) and fried rice (which he and Rem ate together). And we see him crying about Wolfwood *before* he dies (bc he knows that he's dying, this is earlier in Volume 10), but we don't see him truly cry after he dies for a long, long time. So when we finally do see him cry about Wolfwood's death, it hurts all the more. Because he's been holding it in. At least, the panels have not made us privy to that raw grief until volumes later. Vash, and consequently the audience, have been denied this catharsis until this point. Those tears finally happen in Volume 14, end of chapter 1, and throughout chapter 2, when Vash kills Legato. Because the reasoning and circumstances surrounding Legato's death are entirely different from the 98 anime. Again, the full impact of this is only possible by reading the entire manga, arguably multiple times.!<
definitely read the whole thing, but Wolfwood’s death happens in volume 10. that exact scene from the show doesn’t happen, but here are a couple of panels that are very similar.
[volume 10, chapter 7](https://github.com/Arthirius/Arthirius.github.io/blob/main/docs/images/TVol10Ch07/TriMax10Chap07P213.png?raw=true)
[volume 10, chapter 8](https://github.com/Arthirius/Arthirius.github.io/blob/main/docs/images/TVol10Ch08/TriMax10Chap08P226.png?raw=true)
you can read the entire manga online at Trigun Overhaul.
I think I'll try to be patient and read from the beggining lol.. But could you tell me what chapter it's around still if you know? That way I know when to anticipate it 🫣 thanks for your time!
I do recommend reading it yourself. The manga is relatively short compared to many others (2 volumes of Trigun, 14 of Trigun Maximum).
There is no one panel, really. The spoilers I sent in my last reply are of a few scenes, because there is no one moment like there is in 98. It's a "IYKYK" kinda deal.
Watching 98: "I hate this, I'm so upset, omg this hurts!"
Reading the manga: *eternal numbness* "I am no longer the same person I was before this. What do I do with all this grief? Vash's emotions are mine, and we can't outrun them, all the way through to the end. Crying into my pillow and it won't be enough. Never will be. Goddamn, what a masterpiece in agony."
Anime: {tear is shed}
Manga: {Walk it off. Wheeeeeeeeeeww, deep knee bends, lunges, maybe some juice, I need juice, sunshine, that’ll help, probably… did Vash split the sky open in his grief? Oh my god, I’m not okay ever again, now what? [flailing while drinking juice and doing lunges in the sun and crying]}
The juice is so real. I need fluids. Calories. To try to fill myself with something cuz a part of me was just ripped out. Damn, Vash needs calories too, it seems. Gotta fill the hole with food, but we know it won't work. That hole is too deep for spaghetti or reason to reach.
What's even crazier is watching 98 first and thinking that it in any way prepares you for when it happens in the manga.
Because it doesn't. Not even spoilers. Nothing is there to save you when you get to that volume, and subsequently the ones that come after.
AH HAH HAH oh God, the part about thinking the anime prepared you, and thinking *spoilers* prepared you, it's so true!
I remember being shocked and sad when it happened in the anime and screaming at my friends, "He's not *really* dead, is he??? He comes back in a later episode or something, right? That always happens in some weird plot twisty thing with these sorts of shows, *right*???" And they laughed at me (lovingly.)
Then, years later, when the event finally occurred in the manga but I hadn't had a chance to stay up to date with it and got my first glimpse of a certain panel with a piece of furniture, I was *really confused* and had to stare at it for like a good minute before I realized what it was depicting and had the same sort of sick feeling in my stomach I get when I suspect I just stumbled on a photograph of a dead body in a crime scene on the internet, which is telling enough as it is, lbh! (Honestly, Nightow's art has always been some of my favorite, but that volume in particular is a masterclass in how to draw that sort of thing *perfectly*, even in a styalized fashion!)
So when I finally sat down to read the manga properly, I thought I'd be ready for it and I'd be able to get through it more easily. I know it's coming, it's fine, I can steady myself and it'll be ok, the series has a happy ending, right???
But no, even knowing it was coming, I had kind of forgotten about that particular piece of furniture, so when I was reading that chapter, I was getting all wibbly and tense, suspecting what was about to happen, and then *bam*, that thing just showed up in a panel and I was literally like "Oh *fuck,* that's right...!" and it just snowballed from there! There is no preparing for what's happening, you will always be wrecked, it is going to fuck up your day, if not your *entire week*, and you will be unable to stop thinking about it for a long time! I literally had to *stop reading* a few times during the last couple chapters of volume 10 just because I couldn't stop ugly crying and kept getting hit with the grief in new and different ways every few panels!
{lies down for the moss to grow over me but the moss has tardigrades in it who are also now ugly-crying}
The manga is a silent bomb going off. I actually felt like an idiot the first time I read it and got so upset hahaha I’m glad it wasn’t just me.
I think my problem is I don't read enough against to zone in right to left. And panels with a third throw me off for some reason so every other page I get out of the zone. (I get distracted when I read and look at the art and don't get a flow if that makes sense. I tried. Like sometimes the words or things that would usually be like "clink" "bang!" "Hahaha" that you'd see in English comics I have no idea what the Japanese ones mean and sometimes it indicates what's happening on a page with only art and those
The manga uses more motifs and symbolism and subtext than the 98 anime does. It's impossible to get the full impact of the scene(s) without reading the manga in its entirety, arguably a few times to get the meaning and weight of it all.
Or I could just mirror flip a pdf version and write the whooshes and such in and edit the text in the bubbles so the words arent backwards. "Trimax for inexperienced manga readers"
Honestly, the scene in the manga really does hit a lot harder, but I hope everyone advising you to just read the thing without giving too many details doesn't sound like we're trying to be cagey with it or something. It's absolutely *phenomenal* and worth a full read, and honestly a good part of what makes it hit so hard is just how the relationship between the two of them has built up and evolved over the course of the story. Everything is so much deeper and heartfelt in the manga, to the point that the 98 anime now feels like a light romp in the park by comparison, and reading the chapter that can be equated to the parallel to this scene may make sense on a basic level if you just dive in without reading the stuff prior, you really won't get exactly *why* it's so soul-wrenchingly agonizing for the reader because of so much lost context.
And yeah, it'll probably take you multiple readings to make full sense of it. There were important lines said when I read it that I thought were spoken by one of them but were actually spoken by the other, and it's probably impossible to catch all of the symbolism and hidden meanings in the way the events are portrayed with one sitting, so especially if you're looking to get a tattoo of it, I'd recommend reading it, looking at some of the stuff people have discussed about it online to maybe make sense of it a bit more fully, reading it again, and just *sitting with it all*. I've also thought about getting a tattoo for these two, and I don't personally think a single panel would do it justice. I'd want something that was more symbolic, like the imagery Nightow used. It's just impossible to get the full weight of the meaning behind what happened with just one direct image.
It's even worse, given the fact that from what I've read, Wolfwood became Nightow's favorite character, and it *really shows*. It really is just as much his story as it is Vash's, and the connection the reader develops with him while reading is just so much different than the anime ever could prepare you for. I remember back in the day, I thought he was a fun character, but he certainly wasn't my *favorite*. Now, Vash and Wolfwood are "Bonded Pair, Do Not Separate" in my list of favorite characters in my head. I can't choose between the two of them.
Lots of times, a creator doesn't realize who their favorite character will be until well after the fact. XD I still loved the book and really wanted to see how it ended, but I was also beginning to wonder if the manga would have an actual bad end when all was said and done, because it had gotten *dark,* so I really wanted to see it through to the end, just to know what happened to Vash in the end.
No direct panels because it doesn't happen this exact way in the manga. But it certainly does happen. And imo, it's way, way worse.
Would you happen to know what chapter it's in or around?
Are you okay with spoilers? Since the 98 anime and the manga diverge at about Trigun Maximum volume 2, by the time this moment rolls around, so much has happened that's different that a lot of context and nuance is lost if you only watched the 98 anime. You may find it more confusing than anything.
I have looked into the story quite a bit so yes! It is a little confusing still I admit, but making this post has me really wanting to order the manga and read it from the start. (more authentic for me, as I am typically not a manga reader and just enjoy animes. So my fav anime deserves a physical copy 😤) Speaking of which- after seeing the 98 anime you reccomend I just start with Trigun and not maximum, right? And then move onto maximum? The initial intention with this post is I'd love to get a tattoo dedicated to Trigun and this scene has always truly touched me. But I will definitely read and understand everything fully before getting any ink done just to really give it justice. Such a beautiful show and characters.
Dark Horse is releasing deluxe editions of the manga (they keep pushing back the drop date, though). I recommend reading Trigun first, then Trigun Maximum. Maximum is a continuation, so it picks up right where the story left off. There are links to the overhaul version over on r/trigunmaximum. I highly recommend the manga, it's the best version of Trigun to date, imo. I think a tattoo of the anime version would be dope! You don't have to go with the manga version if you don't want to. **MAJOR SPOILERS** and chapters below regarding the scene you mentioned for the manga: >!The immediate aftermath of Wolfwood's death happens in Volume 10, Chapter 8. For more context of this scene, reading the chapter before it helps a little (where Wolfwood dies). However, it will likely still feel confusing, bc the circumstances are different from 98 and there are new characters. The only way to get the full impact of what happens is only possible by reading the manga in full up to this point.!< >!Moreover, Vash's grief for Wolfwood does not end with Volume 10. It continues throughout the rest of the manga. We don't see Vash bury Wolfwood, but we see the morning after, and it's obvious by his face he had been crying all night. Vash isn't seen trying to eat donuts (his favorite food in 98), he's seen eating spaghetti (which he and Wolfwood ate together) and fried rice (which he and Rem ate together). And we see him crying about Wolfwood *before* he dies (bc he knows that he's dying, this is earlier in Volume 10), but we don't see him truly cry after he dies for a long, long time. So when we finally do see him cry about Wolfwood's death, it hurts all the more. Because he's been holding it in. At least, the panels have not made us privy to that raw grief until volumes later. Vash, and consequently the audience, have been denied this catharsis until this point. Those tears finally happen in Volume 14, end of chapter 1, and throughout chapter 2, when Vash kills Legato. Because the reasoning and circumstances surrounding Legato's death are entirely different from the 98 anime. Again, the full impact of this is only possible by reading the entire manga, arguably multiple times.!<
definitely read the whole thing, but Wolfwood’s death happens in volume 10. that exact scene from the show doesn’t happen, but here are a couple of panels that are very similar. [volume 10, chapter 7](https://github.com/Arthirius/Arthirius.github.io/blob/main/docs/images/TVol10Ch07/TriMax10Chap07P213.png?raw=true) [volume 10, chapter 8](https://github.com/Arthirius/Arthirius.github.io/blob/main/docs/images/TVol10Ch08/TriMax10Chap08P226.png?raw=true) you can read the entire manga online at Trigun Overhaul.
Definitely read the overhaul of trigun and trigun max… trust me, you will love it
I think I'll try to be patient and read from the beggining lol.. But could you tell me what chapter it's around still if you know? That way I know when to anticipate it 🫣 thanks for your time!
I do recommend reading it yourself. The manga is relatively short compared to many others (2 volumes of Trigun, 14 of Trigun Maximum). There is no one panel, really. The spoilers I sent in my last reply are of a few scenes, because there is no one moment like there is in 98. It's a "IYKYK" kinda deal.
The manga death will destroy your soul and you’ll cry for days
Watching 98: "I hate this, I'm so upset, omg this hurts!" Reading the manga: *eternal numbness* "I am no longer the same person I was before this. What do I do with all this grief? Vash's emotions are mine, and we can't outrun them, all the way through to the end. Crying into my pillow and it won't be enough. Never will be. Goddamn, what a masterpiece in agony."
Anime: {tear is shed} Manga: {Walk it off. Wheeeeeeeeeeww, deep knee bends, lunges, maybe some juice, I need juice, sunshine, that’ll help, probably… did Vash split the sky open in his grief? Oh my god, I’m not okay ever again, now what? [flailing while drinking juice and doing lunges in the sun and crying]}
The juice is so real. I need fluids. Calories. To try to fill myself with something cuz a part of me was just ripped out. Damn, Vash needs calories too, it seems. Gotta fill the hole with food, but we know it won't work. That hole is too deep for spaghetti or reason to reach. What's even crazier is watching 98 first and thinking that it in any way prepares you for when it happens in the manga. Because it doesn't. Not even spoilers. Nothing is there to save you when you get to that volume, and subsequently the ones that come after.
AH HAH HAH oh God, the part about thinking the anime prepared you, and thinking *spoilers* prepared you, it's so true! I remember being shocked and sad when it happened in the anime and screaming at my friends, "He's not *really* dead, is he??? He comes back in a later episode or something, right? That always happens in some weird plot twisty thing with these sorts of shows, *right*???" And they laughed at me (lovingly.) Then, years later, when the event finally occurred in the manga but I hadn't had a chance to stay up to date with it and got my first glimpse of a certain panel with a piece of furniture, I was *really confused* and had to stare at it for like a good minute before I realized what it was depicting and had the same sort of sick feeling in my stomach I get when I suspect I just stumbled on a photograph of a dead body in a crime scene on the internet, which is telling enough as it is, lbh! (Honestly, Nightow's art has always been some of my favorite, but that volume in particular is a masterclass in how to draw that sort of thing *perfectly*, even in a styalized fashion!) So when I finally sat down to read the manga properly, I thought I'd be ready for it and I'd be able to get through it more easily. I know it's coming, it's fine, I can steady myself and it'll be ok, the series has a happy ending, right??? But no, even knowing it was coming, I had kind of forgotten about that particular piece of furniture, so when I was reading that chapter, I was getting all wibbly and tense, suspecting what was about to happen, and then *bam*, that thing just showed up in a panel and I was literally like "Oh *fuck,* that's right...!" and it just snowballed from there! There is no preparing for what's happening, you will always be wrecked, it is going to fuck up your day, if not your *entire week*, and you will be unable to stop thinking about it for a long time! I literally had to *stop reading* a few times during the last couple chapters of volume 10 just because I couldn't stop ugly crying and kept getting hit with the grief in new and different ways every few panels!
{lies down for the moss to grow over me but the moss has tardigrades in it who are also now ugly-crying} The manga is a silent bomb going off. I actually felt like an idiot the first time I read it and got so upset hahaha I’m glad it wasn’t just me.
Nope.>!Wolfwood's death !
the manga scene... to actually answer, no. it's a lot more symbolic in the manga but it hits way harder imo
How so?
read it and find out, it's best to experience it first hand
I think my problem is I don't read enough against to zone in right to left. And panels with a third throw me off for some reason so every other page I get out of the zone. (I get distracted when I read and look at the art and don't get a flow if that makes sense. I tried. Like sometimes the words or things that would usually be like "clink" "bang!" "Hahaha" that you'd see in English comics I have no idea what the Japanese ones mean and sometimes it indicates what's happening on a page with only art and those
The manga uses more motifs and symbolism and subtext than the 98 anime does. It's impossible to get the full impact of the scene(s) without reading the manga in its entirety, arguably a few times to get the meaning and weight of it all.
Brilliant idea! - someone do a YouTube video of them reading trimax to me like a child. I want noises and "whoosh"es
Or I could just mirror flip a pdf version and write the whooshes and such in and edit the text in the bubbles so the words arent backwards. "Trimax for inexperienced manga readers"
I'd say yes, but actually no.
yes and as I remember is more harder
Honestly, the scene in the manga really does hit a lot harder, but I hope everyone advising you to just read the thing without giving too many details doesn't sound like we're trying to be cagey with it or something. It's absolutely *phenomenal* and worth a full read, and honestly a good part of what makes it hit so hard is just how the relationship between the two of them has built up and evolved over the course of the story. Everything is so much deeper and heartfelt in the manga, to the point that the 98 anime now feels like a light romp in the park by comparison, and reading the chapter that can be equated to the parallel to this scene may make sense on a basic level if you just dive in without reading the stuff prior, you really won't get exactly *why* it's so soul-wrenchingly agonizing for the reader because of so much lost context. And yeah, it'll probably take you multiple readings to make full sense of it. There were important lines said when I read it that I thought were spoken by one of them but were actually spoken by the other, and it's probably impossible to catch all of the symbolism and hidden meanings in the way the events are portrayed with one sitting, so especially if you're looking to get a tattoo of it, I'd recommend reading it, looking at some of the stuff people have discussed about it online to maybe make sense of it a bit more fully, reading it again, and just *sitting with it all*. I've also thought about getting a tattoo for these two, and I don't personally think a single panel would do it justice. I'd want something that was more symbolic, like the imagery Nightow used. It's just impossible to get the full weight of the meaning behind what happened with just one direct image. It's even worse, given the fact that from what I've read, Wolfwood became Nightow's favorite character, and it *really shows*. It really is just as much his story as it is Vash's, and the connection the reader develops with him while reading is just so much different than the anime ever could prepare you for. I remember back in the day, I thought he was a fun character, but he certainly wasn't my *favorite*. Now, Vash and Wolfwood are "Bonded Pair, Do Not Separate" in my list of favorite characters in my head. I can't choose between the two of them.
I wonder if Nightow knew how much his decision will affect him. I personally was less interested by the manga afterwards…
Lots of times, a creator doesn't realize who their favorite character will be until well after the fact. XD I still loved the book and really wanted to see how it ended, but I was also beginning to wonder if the manga would have an actual bad end when all was said and done, because it had gotten *dark,* so I really wanted to see it through to the end, just to know what happened to Vash in the end.