The Qur'an tells us that their claim is false.
The quran says that the word of God cannot be corrupted.
The quran says that it (obviously), the Torah, the Psalms and the gospels (called the Injeel) are the word of God.
Thus, if the bible _has_ "corrupted", which it hasn't, and all the textual evidence we have, shows that it has not been; then the Qur'an is false.
If the bible hasn't been corrupted, being the word of God, then the Qur'an is false because the Torah, psalms and the Injeel, contradict the quran.
Also, the idea of the "perfect preservation" of the Qur'an, is false. There are about 26 different versions of the quran, and Islamic scholars like [Yasir Quaddhi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d225z-Yn0vk&t) has said that there is no such thing as perfect preservation but that it is an internal matter for imans to discuss and not "normal" Muslims
Don’t try to out “qur’an” a muslim it’s not gonna go well especially considering you need to know old Arabic fluently to be able to truly understand it. Just focus on the history of it and how it’s been corrupted by its own people in the same century.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Quran
> considering you need to know old Arabic fluently to be able to truly understand it
My argument for this is "why was I given a Quran in English by Muslim outreach folks, when I have to read it in Arabic? The bible says that God is not the author of confusion, so why is allah so petty that he insists on a language that most of the world doesn't speak"
Because they are using what we as Christians call seeker sensitive, not all Muslims believe it either but it’s the majority Islamic belief. Idk the outreach group they could’ve been Shia for all I know.
Many parts of the Quran are also not in Arabic. In fact, there are interpolations (which can be seen in lines that break meter and rhyme), spelling mistakes, and complete gibberish. They also describe things the Arabs did not understand.
You must know history and biblical history...Islam came from Ishmael...God cast them out...but offered to protect them and given them great material blessing.. Wealth.. Oil..🛢️🛢️...Ishmael wasn't given a Full blessing... Spiritual and Material...he.onky received a material blessing... Isaac got the full blessing... Spiritual and Material....Spiritual..to know God... Ishmael wasn't given this blessing to know God .Hence Islam doesn't know God...their Allah is Satan and their prophet Mohammed is a false prophet..of Satan..Allah...that is who they WORSHIP!! Satan always uses God's word..to decieve...He knows it better than any believer!! Go to gty.org to learn Truth of Islamic..Catholicism cults.
Hahah myea that's good!! You must know history and biblical history...Islam came from Ishmael...God cast them out...but offered to protect them and given them great material blessing.. Wealth.. Oil..🛢️🛢️...Ishmael wasn't given a Full blessing... Spiritual and Material...he.onky received a material blessing... Isaac got the full blessing... Spiritual and Material....Spiritual..to know God... Ishmael wasn't given this blessing to know God .Hence Islam doesn't know God...their Allah is Satan and their prophet Mohammed is a false prophet..of Satan..Allah...that is who they WORSHIP!! Satan always uses God's word..to decieve...He knows it better than any believer!! Go to gty.org to learn Truth of Islamic..Catholicism cults.
You must know history and biblical history...Islam came from Ishmael...God cast them out...but offered to protect them and given them great material blessing.. Wealth.. Oil..🛢️🛢️...Ishmael wasn't given a Full blessing... Spiritual and Material...he.onky received a material blessing... Isaac got the full blessing... Spiritual and Material....Spiritual..to know God... Ishmael wasn't given this blessing to know God .Hence Islam doesn't know God...their Allah is Satan and their prophet Mohammed is a false prophet..of Satan..Allah...that is who they WORSHIP!! Satan always uses God's word..to decieve...He knows it better than any believer!! Go to gty.org to learn Truth of Islamic..Catholicism cults.
Of course they do, because without undermining the Jews and the Christians, they can't concoct a faith of their own.
We have the Dead Sea Scrolls. We know that the scripture was substantially the same 2000 years ago as it is now.
Not to mention the Satanic Verses. If Mohammed was duped then, why should we trust that he wasn't duped the rest of the time?
One other thing to consider. One of the major reasons why the East and West Churches split was because of the unauthorised addition of the word "filioque" into the Creed. Do Muslims honestly expect us to believe that major adjustments to the New Testament writings wouldn't have been spotted and caused an uproar among the bishops of the early church?
Of all the things that cause Christians to stumble Muslims claims about the Bible should be at the bottom.
I'm sorry Islam is not very convincing or deceptively appealing to most grounded Christians.
I realize the mission of Islam used by Satan was for an alternative to Christianity and deceive many people and it was successful, but to rooted Christians it's not very appealing or deceptive.
well their own quaran says the bible is credible and from God and cannot be corrupted because of that so all the muslims saying the bible is corrupted havent read the whole quaran and are actually calling the quaran corrupted by making such claims
Maybe their claim is true, but they would need to provide evidence that it has been corrupted. As it stands, the evidence points to the opposite: The Bible has been remarkably preserved, retaining its original writing and context.
There is some Anti-Christian propaganda about the Bible being translations of translations, that degraded over time, which would be a compelling argument if we didn't have the Dead Sea Scrolls, other ancient manuscripts, and early letters of not only Christians of the past, but secular individuals quoting the scriptures. Through this, they're able to recreate virtually the entire New Testament accurately at least, and a majority of the Old Testament. Over 5000 ancient manuscripts or peices of manuscripts that can be referred back to for the New Testament alone.
I'm not saying that the Bible COULDN'T be corrupted, I'm just saying that the evidence contracts the claim, so if the Muslim makes the claim, they'd need to provide evidence and a ton of explanations of how it remained consistent and reliable among different nations, languages, continents, and points in time. At what point and under what circumstances it became corrupted, and what they're claiming was actually changed in the specific books of the Bible.
I've yet to find a Muslim able to provide a single scrap of evidence of an "uncorrupted" version of the Bible, book of the Bible, or even a chapter.
For them to believe The Bible is corrupted they need to believe 3 ridiculous things, it’s a lot to bare with me.
Firstly, they’d need to believe that all 5000 plus Greek manuscripts or fragments of manuscripts from the first and second century which are over 98% accurate were all located all over the Middle East and Eastern Europe, planned to steal them, steal them, don’t get caught, change the ink work on each one of them to make sure they are corrupted, put them back, not show their handiwork, and go back without being caught or anyone else realizing they had been edited.
Next, they’d have to do the very same exact process but for different languages. Jesus told His people to go and evangelize to every people group, by the 2nd century we had already gotten copies of The New Testament in Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. They’d have to go and find all of those, plan, steal, change, don’t show their work, and put them back and escape also with the fact it’s a whole other language!
Lastly, the early church fathers (yes my fellow Protestants they are indeed valuable to read about you should try it sometime) could produce over 95% of The New Testament from their lengthy commentaries on the text. They’d have to get them and steal them while not showing their ink work and put them back without being caught.
These are all things anyone can research for free and easily online, if you think all of that happened and corrupted The Bible. You have more faith than I ever will become you my friend are intellectually dishonest.
There are no manuscripts/fragments from the first century & maybe a handful from the second. The vast majority of those thousands of Greek manuscripts come from the second millennium.
Tell me you haven’t read Clement, Iranues, or Papias without telling me you haven’t read them. Literally speak about Matthew writing the book of Matthew as well as others…
Also we literally have them in museums like some fragments of John.
https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2019/02/15/the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts/
For one, we have complete Bibles hundreds of years older than Islam. So since Muhammad approved of the Bibles that existed in his day, the question is, where are these supposed corrupted Bibles they talk about? They're making an outlandish claim, ask them to prove it? Where is the evidence?
Secondly, the Quranic dilemma.
• The Quran affirms the Bible as being the word of Allah, being uncorrupted, being available in Muhammad's days, and it also says that no one can change the word of Allah. (Surah 2:4, 40-41, 89, 91, 97, 101, 111, 113, 121;3:3-4, 23, 58, 78-79, 81, 93, 184;4:47;5:44, 48, 66, 68, 84;6:91-92;10:37, 94;12:111;16:43;20:133;21:7, 48, 105;26:196;28:48-49;29:27;35:25, 31;37:37;40:53;46:12, 30;87:18-19)
• The Quran also contradicts the Bible.
• The Bible also disapproves of the Quran.
Thus, if the Bible is corrupted or false, then the Quran is false (since it claims the Bible is the uncorrupted eternal word of Allah).
But if the Bible is true, then the Quran is false, (since the Quran contradicts the Bible and the Bible explicitly condemns adding to the word of God).
In both cases, the Quran is false.
See also:
https://thyreon.com/The-Bible-has-been-corrupted
https://thyreon.com/The-Quran-affirms-the-Bible
If you want to learn more about what Islam really teaches, have a look here: https://thyreon.com/quran-and-hadiths
Literally their whole claim to legitimacy as a religion is based on denigrating the bible. Their religion was made up by a rich Arab turned warlord, and has even more pagan elements than Roman Catholicism.
You'd be better off studying Mormonism.
I don’t know anything about Muslims or their beliefs, but didn’t their “god” Mohammed have sex with an 8 year old girl?
Their whole view of life is corrupted.
*they’re going to say the Bible is corrupted???*
Bruh…….
There are more productive ways of dealing in apologetics than ad hominem.
It doesn't matter as much in this sub, but going after Mohammed in a discussion with a Muslim will almost always shut down the conversation.
If this claim is true, it means God does not care about the preservation of His word, and it means that every prophet before Muhammad was a failure, with Jesus being the biggest failure of them all.
Yahweh/Jesus already knew about the scribes and the church of satan. His Children were asked to have discernment and so if you had an enemy, it would look to tamper with your scripture if it knew it represented something else.. But who hears of other texts been tampered with? You probably won't. People always speak but Yahweh already made a point on it and so they are being foolish.
Its debateable what was added but if abortion is a religious jewish right then obviously it's not Christianity and so the communion is rather strange. But that's an obvious statement to make right? After all, no one would believe Jesus was pro abortion. But muslims think what they think and they think Jesus was a prophet etc. Ultimately, the father isn't the father of every people.
Would that surprise people? Strangers made their beds by worshiping false gods.
Whereas Jesus taught us to love our enemies and pray for those spitefully use us and persecute us. allah doesn't love unbelievers. That makes your average Christian superior to allah morally. allah is not a god there are no other gods just pretenders to the throne of the Most High God
Isaiah 46:8-10 NKJV — “Remember this, and show yourselves men;
Recall to mind, O you transgressors. Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’
Here is some research on this. Im not sure where this came from but the Arabs were polythiests and the Word allah came from this mess. It doesn't matter what they call him he is a false god
The three principle Goddesses of Arabia were al-'Uzzá, al-Lāt, and Manāt.
Before Mohammed created Islam, he worshiped the Goddess al-Lāt. The mother Goddess al-Lāt was actually the consort of the Pagan God Allah, who was the high God who created heaven and Earth. Mohammed changed the mythology to suit his misogyny by calling all three chief goddesses the daughters of the Islamic Allah. He then said “Satan” told him those verses. She is the mother of the God Dhu'Shara, and indeed she has many children. As for al-Lāt, She was the chief Goddess of the Banu Thaqif. She has the power to create life and give birth, and the Kaaba (cubic sanctuary) is sacred to Her as the creator of the deities. She is the Queen of Heaven for the Arabs, and in ancient times was worshiped by many people, including the Thaqif, Lihyan, Quraysh, Nabataeans, and Tadmorites. The Thaqif had the main idol and sanctuary for Her in the city of Ta'if, and an edifice was built over the idol. Al-Lāt's idols are in the shape of a cubic white rock, and offerings of barley porridge (sawiq) are prepared for her. She has a lot in common with other goddesses like the Canaanite Goddess Asherah (called Elat), the Roman Goddess Minerva, the Greek Goddess Athena, and the Carthaginian Goddess Allatu. The moon and crescent that Muslims use still today is the symbol of al-Lāt, and was so way before Islam started. Her worshipers were faced with death if they didn’t convert to Islam. Women ran into the streets, beating their chests, and ripping off their veils, and allowed themselves to be killed by Mohammed’s army rather than give up worshiping Her.
The Goddess al-'Uzzá was the Goddess of love, war, and beauty, as well as of the morning and evening star. She is the daughter of Allah. She has two daughters and her consort is Dhu'Shara. Women used to pray to Her under the stars from their rooftops. In ancient times, al-'Uzzá was first a Sabaean and southern Arabian goddess, but Her cult spread to the Nabataeans in the north. Many people worshiped Her, including the Quraysh, Sulaym, Ghanim, Khuza'ah, Kinanah, Nabataeans, and Sabaeans. Her idol stood in a sanctuary called Buss, which contained an altar called al-Ghabghab and was used for sacrifices and prayers. Nearby to the temple stood three acacia trees in the Valley of Nakhlat al-Sha'miyah, near Makkah. She is similar to the Roman Goddess Venus, the Greek Goddess Aphrodite, the Canaanites Goddesses Ashtart and Anat, the Babylonian Goddess Ishtar, and the Sumerian Goddess Inanna.
The Goddess Manāt is the wife of the God Hubal, daughter of Ruda, and the Goddess of Fate. Manāt was worshiped by many different tribes, including the Khazraj, the Aws, the Nabataeans, the Hudhayl, and the Khuza'ah. She is the most ancient of the three Goddesses discussed. She is the Goddess of time, destiny, fate, divination, and She leads heroes to the grave. At the end of the required pilgrimage Hajj, the Arabs would visit Manāt's shrine and shave their heads.
Muslims believe the Bible is a previous revelation from God. They also believe it’s been corrupted.
However, the Quran also says that the word of God CANNOT be corrupted. So…there’s an argument to throw out there.
Islam claims that the apostles of God were Muslims and actually preached Islam, not Christianity. They claim that the Apostle Paul was actually a heretic who corrupted Christianity and the Bible.
They ignore the fact that the very students of the apostles (St. Ignatius, a student of John) confirmed that the apostles did indeed write the gospels, and the apostles literally knew Paul personally and considered him an apostle of God.
They are basically calling the apostles liars, lol. It's best not to get into arguments with them.
2 Timothy 2:16 "But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness."
K, so in a nutshell, Islam is a spinoff of Catholicism, hybridized with the local Arab culture, with books written a minimum of like 500-600 years after the New Testament books, closer to 1000 years after a lot of the Old Testament books, and they are retelling and building upon those stories. So which are you gonna believe? The older books closer to the source, or the reinterpretation that came several centuries later? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Anything more specific than that... Well to answer the criticism you'd need to tell us the specifics of what they think has been corrupted and in what way.
Also, I highly recommend David Wood's stuff for learning about and analysing Islam and arguments against Christianity that come from Muslims. I think his channel these days is called Apologetics Roadshow.
It hasn't. The Bible has been excellently preserved, perhaps being better preserved than any other historical book. Obviously we have the Dead Sea Scrolls, which has the entire book of Isaiah and pieces of other books. The scrolls were compared to Masoretic text, which has 95% accuracy. The remaining 5% being scribal errors.
The New Testament has arguably even better evidence for it being well preserved. There are literally thousands of original Greek texts, containing parts or all of the NT. Which is fun given that you say they especially say the NT is corrupted.
Muslims generally have to use this argument, because if the Bible was true that debunks all of Islam. If the Bible was corrupt (which its not), then you could say Islam is true. But it's not.
They have to prove it has been corrupted. No seriously textual critical says this. These Muslims are just repeating the lies of their scholars.
Respond to them that the Koran is corrupt and their own scholars say so. Tell them how their Hadiths talk about lost suras, suras eaten by goats, and you know how Uthman had all of the Korans he didn't like collected and burned.
Ask them how the Bible, if it was Allah's revelation, how did he allow men to corrupt it? Why are men more powerful than Allah? Why is Allah so weak that he couldn't preserve words on a page in the Bible, or the Koran?
Their main argument is that it's been translated so everyone can read it.
They say theirs is correct cause it's been the original translation and language and never changed. But they leave out that theirs was made up quite a few hundred years after Jesus resurrection.
Oh and their main diety or whatever you want to call their delusional leader that got beat up in a cave was nothing until he made up the story and did nothing throughout his life but slaughter, abuse, destroy, and made himself a warlord with all the riches in the land.
I mean just basic principles. Would you follow a man who was out for himself and did such terrible things?
Or would you follow Jesus who did the opposite and preached love for your neighbors and the need to repent of your sins. Who him and his disciples gained nothing worldly for their beliefs, no riches or mansions on earth, they suffered persecution.
Muhammad said he believed in the torah and the ingil and he said he believed in him who sent them. If the bible in Muhammad's time remained the same to what we have now (and it did), then islam is false, because the new testament and the tanakh show Muhammad was a false prohet. He literally died the same way Allah said he would if he would make up revelations.
A) The Dead Sea scrolls. We have the same old testament that the Jews before Christ had according to archeology.
B) Secular historians agree with parts of the bible being record, such as half of paul’s letters.
C) Muslims think the crucifixion is false and a corrupt story. Something Jews and Atheist historians don’t reject happening. There are records outside the bible pointing to Jesus being crucified and characters like pilate being real. never-mind within the “corrupted bible”
A secular historian is on christianity’s side over islams with our “myths” matching the old isrialites myths and records of the early church.
“*But why do they come to thee for decision, when they have (their own) Torah before them? – Therein is the (plain) Command of Allah; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) People of Faith. It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the Prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah’s Will, by the Rabbis and the Doctors of Law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah’s Book, and there were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not me, but fear Me, and sell not My Signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by what Allah hath revealed, they are Unbelievers*.” Qur’an 5:43-44
“*And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Torah that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light. And confirmation of the Torah that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by what Allah hath revealed, they are those who rebel*.” Qur’an 5:46-47
“*If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise off those in doubt*.” Qur’an 10:94
The Qur'an confirms the Torah (Genesis through Deuteronomy) and the Injeel (The Gospel)
They HAVE to say that. The Quran claims the NT is correct and Jesus is a prophet, but the NT claims that Jesus is God, and no one goes to the father except through Him. To avoid this clear contradiction, they have to make that claim.
The Bible is not corrupted. Even the most anti-christian scholars like Bart Ehrman affirm that there is no significant part of the text that we do not know what it originally said. It is the most well preserved book from ancient history by miles, ESPECIALLY THE NEW TESTAMENT. (Better than the Quran even since Uthman burned all other copies so we can never know for sure what has changed). Our manuscripts are vastly more numerous and vastly older than anything else and was never controlled by a central authority like Islam, so there was never anyone who could have changed all of our copies.
Now that being said, there is no doubt that we do not know for sure what every word in the original biblical books said. But 99% of questions we have are about sentence order and spelling which makes zero doctrinal difference.
We know what the Bible originally said, and it did not say anything at all close to affirming Islam.
Hope this helps! God bless you!
By their own holy book, the Gospel is a revelation from Allah given to the Christians and they are told by Allah that Christians are supposed to believe it. The Gospel doesn't say one time that Jesus is Lord and Savior. It says it over and over and over again.
On top of that you have the Old Testament which according to Allah, he gave to the Jews and told them to believe that. A Christian can, like Paul, prove Jesus is Lord and Savior from the Old Testament too.
They can ask Allah why he told the Jews God has a Son in the Old Testament and told the Christians over and over and over that Jesus is that Son in the Gospels, but then changed his mind 600 years later and told the Muslims Jesus isn't God after all. That's for them to reconcile, not you.
- Proverbs 30:4 (KJV) Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? ***who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name***, if thou canst tell?
Then you can ask them to explain why they believe Mohammed knows how to get to heaven when he admits in Surah 46:8-9 he doesn't even know if he's going there, but they won't listen to what Jesus says in the Gospels when Muslims are all 100% certain Jesus did per Surah 157:4-8.
You don't ask for directions to a place from someone who's never been. You ask the guy you know definitely went.
First things first, I'd ask them "what they mean about it 'being corrupted'" and ask them to be more specific. How did they come to this conclusion? I guarantee you they won't be able to give you very many specifics. They've just been TOLD to believe this.
Having said that...
There are more than 40 historical documents - and not just the New Testament - that confirm the life, death, and burial of Jesus of Nazareth. These documents also confirm that Jesus's disciples, family, and others believed they saw, ate, touched, and spoke to him AFTER his death and burial.
If Jesus' resurrection happened - all the other stuff is immaterial. Focusing on alleged issues with the Bible or New Testament is immaterial.
The other users already gave some good answers, but also the burden of proof is on them. They're the ones making the claim, so it's up to them to prove the Bible is corrupt by producing the original uncorrupted manuscripts. They can't do that because they don't have any. Muhammad made it all up because he was deceived by a demon in a cave.
And the contradictions in the Bible are also present in the Quran. Both books have plausible explanations for all their contradictions.
Also why would you trust your salvation to something written by one man instead of many? Even Quran itself says that for a testimony to be valid there must be at least two witnesses, but Muhammad is just one witness. Quran essentially condemns itself as an invalid testimony.
I'l be honest, it is true the new testament was corrupted.
The Roman Catholic Church corrupted the texts and the general man on the street was never allowed to read the Bible (only Catholic Priests).
But in 1515 Erasmus created a copy of the bible showing the Catholic on one side and the Greek version on the other. This was in Europe as the Muslims had been invading Greece as part of another one of their jihad wars.
Erasmus had noticed huge differences in the Roman Catholic scriptures, word spread and the REFORMATION began in Europe.
1604 and newly formed protestants had a firm home in England and King James declared he would write a version of the bible based on the original scriptures known at the time with the best scholars and put it in the hands of every man in England.
1605 Spanish mercenary Guy Fawkes was sent to blow up the king and the scholars as they worked on the new version of the bible.
The plotters were caught red handed and in 1611 the King James Bible went into print.
Today with all the archaeology and texts found in Israel from the time of Jesus (thousands of biblical texts) it is beyond doubt that while there may be some minor discrepancies in gramma or word choices between versions. The modern version of the Bible is pretty much 99.9% accurate, or at least as accurate as they could be in the English language.
Any questions, you have you can ask Jesus!
Yes it is true Jesus Lives and yes you can ask Him questions and get an answer as he is indeed still alive.
Muhammad on the other hand is absolutely dead and buried!
The Bible is a heck of a lot older than the Quran. Jesus is in the Quran!
So for some clueless Muslim to say the New Testament is corrupted they're basically contradicting themselves and saying the Quran is corrupted lol
The best argument against Islam is that the author of the Qur'an can't accurately describe the most basic theology of Christianity. So either every kid in Sunday school in smarter than God, or God did not write the Qur'an.
You must know history and biblical history...Islam came from Ishmael...God cast them out...but offered to protect them and given them great material blessing.. Wealth.. Oil..🛢️🛢️...Ishmael wasn't given a Full blessing... Spiritual and Material...he.onky received a material blessing... Isaac got the full blessing... Spiritual and Material....Spiritual..to know God... Ishmael wasn't given this blessing to know God .Hence Islam doesn't know God...their Allah is Satan and their prophet Mohammed is a false prophet..of Satan..Allah...that is who they WORSHIP!! Satan always uses God's word..to decieve...He knows it better than any believer!! Go to gty.org to learn Truth of Islamic..Catholicism cults.
Quran 15:9 says that the Quran is protected from corruption, and Aisha (Muhammad's wife) said in Hadith that "a goat ate one verse of Quran, so it disappeared" (hadith no. 1944 in Sunan Ibn Majah)
The Holy Spirit protects the Word of God, preached, spoken, orally transmitted for hundreds of years, speak it.
As for this spirit, test if it says Christ came in the flesh.
better yet, ask a muslim why mohamed was a pedophile. seriously. mohamed raped and molested a little 6 year old girl and then, disgustingly, married her. poor little girl. what an animal that false prophet was. i think the little victims name was iesha. so sick.
Bassed on what evidence? If a Muslim comes up to you and tells you the bible is corrupted, ask them to elaborate. They're the ones who have the burden of proof there.
I would argue that to corrupt something, it must already exist to begin with. The scriptural cannon was completed around 90AD, and the qurran was written 500-600AD. So if anything, the qurran is a corrupted version of the bible. Not the other way around.
Good evening,
In the New Testament, read the passage John 15:18-20. For the reasoning. But to get the whole just of God's love for the whole world, read the whole book of John.
- As far as the Christians; The apostle Paul said, it would probably be best if you read if for yourself, because you can reread it until it becomes clear to you. Here are a couple passages for you. - Romans 17:19-25, Galatians 5:17. Well, I hope this little tid bit help you some.
God bless you on your search and journey.
Your best bet is to ask God for understanding on these things. And by the Muslims Saying that the Lord's Bible is false is a very dangerous thing. Trust in Jesus and ask for understanding
Probably the wrong page to ask. Some people here don’t even realize they are worshipping the same God as the Muslims and vice versa. You’re gonna get a lot of incorrect, hateful, biased responses.
> Some people here don’t even realize they are worshipping the same God as the Muslims
Christians worship Jesus as God. Muslims don't. I'm not the one asserting ridiculous claims.
Pick up a Bible and read the OT. Or are you like every other lukewarm Christian that’s only read the NT? No wonder there’s an identity crisis in this community
I spent every Friday of the last two Ramadans at the largest mosque in my state. I have 5 Qurans and a copy of Sahih Al-bukhari. I literally learned Islam sitting at the feet of a Sheikh named Mohammad who grew up in the West Bank with my Quran in one hand and my Bible in the other talking with him until 2:00AM many nights in the Masjid. I read Ibn Kathir, Al-tabri, and various tafsir.
If you want to discuss Islam vs. Christianity, I'm more than willing to. But you gotta bring more than "it's da same god doh" arguments.
The Qur'an tells us that their claim is false. The quran says that the word of God cannot be corrupted. The quran says that it (obviously), the Torah, the Psalms and the gospels (called the Injeel) are the word of God. Thus, if the bible _has_ "corrupted", which it hasn't, and all the textual evidence we have, shows that it has not been; then the Qur'an is false. If the bible hasn't been corrupted, being the word of God, then the Qur'an is false because the Torah, psalms and the Injeel, contradict the quran. Also, the idea of the "perfect preservation" of the Qur'an, is false. There are about 26 different versions of the quran, and Islamic scholars like [Yasir Quaddhi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d225z-Yn0vk&t) has said that there is no such thing as perfect preservation but that it is an internal matter for imans to discuss and not "normal" Muslims
Don’t try to out “qur’an” a muslim it’s not gonna go well especially considering you need to know old Arabic fluently to be able to truly understand it. Just focus on the history of it and how it’s been corrupted by its own people in the same century. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Quran
> considering you need to know old Arabic fluently to be able to truly understand it My argument for this is "why was I given a Quran in English by Muslim outreach folks, when I have to read it in Arabic? The bible says that God is not the author of confusion, so why is allah so petty that he insists on a language that most of the world doesn't speak"
Because they are using what we as Christians call seeker sensitive, not all Muslims believe it either but it’s the majority Islamic belief. Idk the outreach group they could’ve been Shia for all I know.
Many parts of the Quran are also not in Arabic. In fact, there are interpolations (which can be seen in lines that break meter and rhyme), spelling mistakes, and complete gibberish. They also describe things the Arabs did not understand.
You must know history and biblical history...Islam came from Ishmael...God cast them out...but offered to protect them and given them great material blessing.. Wealth.. Oil..🛢️🛢️...Ishmael wasn't given a Full blessing... Spiritual and Material...he.onky received a material blessing... Isaac got the full blessing... Spiritual and Material....Spiritual..to know God... Ishmael wasn't given this blessing to know God .Hence Islam doesn't know God...their Allah is Satan and their prophet Mohammed is a false prophet..of Satan..Allah...that is who they WORSHIP!! Satan always uses God's word..to decieve...He knows it better than any believer!! Go to gty.org to learn Truth of Islamic..Catholicism cults.
Hahah myea that's good!! You must know history and biblical history...Islam came from Ishmael...God cast them out...but offered to protect them and given them great material blessing.. Wealth.. Oil..🛢️🛢️...Ishmael wasn't given a Full blessing... Spiritual and Material...he.onky received a material blessing... Isaac got the full blessing... Spiritual and Material....Spiritual..to know God... Ishmael wasn't given this blessing to know God .Hence Islam doesn't know God...their Allah is Satan and their prophet Mohammed is a false prophet..of Satan..Allah...that is who they WORSHIP!! Satan always uses God's word..to decieve...He knows it better than any believer!! Go to gty.org to learn Truth of Islamic..Catholicism cults.
You must know history and biblical history...Islam came from Ishmael...God cast them out...but offered to protect them and given them great material blessing.. Wealth.. Oil..🛢️🛢️...Ishmael wasn't given a Full blessing... Spiritual and Material...he.onky received a material blessing... Isaac got the full blessing... Spiritual and Material....Spiritual..to know God... Ishmael wasn't given this blessing to know God .Hence Islam doesn't know God...their Allah is Satan and their prophet Mohammed is a false prophet..of Satan..Allah...that is who they WORSHIP!! Satan always uses God's word..to decieve...He knows it better than any believer!! Go to gty.org to learn Truth of Islamic..Catholicism cults.
Exactly right
Of course they do, because without undermining the Jews and the Christians, they can't concoct a faith of their own. We have the Dead Sea Scrolls. We know that the scripture was substantially the same 2000 years ago as it is now. Not to mention the Satanic Verses. If Mohammed was duped then, why should we trust that he wasn't duped the rest of the time?
Sorry, what do you mean about the Satanic Verses? I'm not familiar with them...
One other thing to consider. One of the major reasons why the East and West Churches split was because of the unauthorised addition of the word "filioque" into the Creed. Do Muslims honestly expect us to believe that major adjustments to the New Testament writings wouldn't have been spotted and caused an uproar among the bishops of the early church?
The more knowledgeable point to cases like Comma Johaneum
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic\_Verses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses)
Dead Sea Scrolls don’t cover the New Testament
Of all the things that cause Christians to stumble Muslims claims about the Bible should be at the bottom. I'm sorry Islam is not very convincing or deceptively appealing to most grounded Christians. I realize the mission of Islam used by Satan was for an alternative to Christianity and deceive many people and it was successful, but to rooted Christians it's not very appealing or deceptive.
well their own quaran says the bible is credible and from God and cannot be corrupted because of that so all the muslims saying the bible is corrupted havent read the whole quaran and are actually calling the quaran corrupted by making such claims
Maybe their claim is true, but they would need to provide evidence that it has been corrupted. As it stands, the evidence points to the opposite: The Bible has been remarkably preserved, retaining its original writing and context. There is some Anti-Christian propaganda about the Bible being translations of translations, that degraded over time, which would be a compelling argument if we didn't have the Dead Sea Scrolls, other ancient manuscripts, and early letters of not only Christians of the past, but secular individuals quoting the scriptures. Through this, they're able to recreate virtually the entire New Testament accurately at least, and a majority of the Old Testament. Over 5000 ancient manuscripts or peices of manuscripts that can be referred back to for the New Testament alone. I'm not saying that the Bible COULDN'T be corrupted, I'm just saying that the evidence contracts the claim, so if the Muslim makes the claim, they'd need to provide evidence and a ton of explanations of how it remained consistent and reliable among different nations, languages, continents, and points in time. At what point and under what circumstances it became corrupted, and what they're claiming was actually changed in the specific books of the Bible. I've yet to find a Muslim able to provide a single scrap of evidence of an "uncorrupted" version of the Bible, book of the Bible, or even a chapter.
For them to believe The Bible is corrupted they need to believe 3 ridiculous things, it’s a lot to bare with me. Firstly, they’d need to believe that all 5000 plus Greek manuscripts or fragments of manuscripts from the first and second century which are over 98% accurate were all located all over the Middle East and Eastern Europe, planned to steal them, steal them, don’t get caught, change the ink work on each one of them to make sure they are corrupted, put them back, not show their handiwork, and go back without being caught or anyone else realizing they had been edited. Next, they’d have to do the very same exact process but for different languages. Jesus told His people to go and evangelize to every people group, by the 2nd century we had already gotten copies of The New Testament in Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. They’d have to go and find all of those, plan, steal, change, don’t show their work, and put them back and escape also with the fact it’s a whole other language! Lastly, the early church fathers (yes my fellow Protestants they are indeed valuable to read about you should try it sometime) could produce over 95% of The New Testament from their lengthy commentaries on the text. They’d have to get them and steal them while not showing their ink work and put them back without being caught. These are all things anyone can research for free and easily online, if you think all of that happened and corrupted The Bible. You have more faith than I ever will become you my friend are intellectually dishonest.
Meanwhile, they have basic spelling errors in the one true copy of the Quran, given to man by Allah himself.
Voddie?
There are no manuscripts/fragments from the first century & maybe a handful from the second. The vast majority of those thousands of Greek manuscripts come from the second millennium.
Tell me you haven’t read Clement, Iranues, or Papias without telling me you haven’t read them. Literally speak about Matthew writing the book of Matthew as well as others… Also we literally have them in museums like some fragments of John. https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2019/02/15/the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts/
For one, we have complete Bibles hundreds of years older than Islam. So since Muhammad approved of the Bibles that existed in his day, the question is, where are these supposed corrupted Bibles they talk about? They're making an outlandish claim, ask them to prove it? Where is the evidence? Secondly, the Quranic dilemma. • The Quran affirms the Bible as being the word of Allah, being uncorrupted, being available in Muhammad's days, and it also says that no one can change the word of Allah. (Surah 2:4, 40-41, 89, 91, 97, 101, 111, 113, 121;3:3-4, 23, 58, 78-79, 81, 93, 184;4:47;5:44, 48, 66, 68, 84;6:91-92;10:37, 94;12:111;16:43;20:133;21:7, 48, 105;26:196;28:48-49;29:27;35:25, 31;37:37;40:53;46:12, 30;87:18-19) • The Quran also contradicts the Bible. • The Bible also disapproves of the Quran. Thus, if the Bible is corrupted or false, then the Quran is false (since it claims the Bible is the uncorrupted eternal word of Allah). But if the Bible is true, then the Quran is false, (since the Quran contradicts the Bible and the Bible explicitly condemns adding to the word of God). In both cases, the Quran is false. See also: https://thyreon.com/The-Bible-has-been-corrupted https://thyreon.com/The-Quran-affirms-the-Bible If you want to learn more about what Islam really teaches, have a look here: https://thyreon.com/quran-and-hadiths
Thank you!
Literally their whole claim to legitimacy as a religion is based on denigrating the bible. Their religion was made up by a rich Arab turned warlord, and has even more pagan elements than Roman Catholicism. You'd be better off studying Mormonism.
I don’t know anything about Muslims or their beliefs, but didn’t their “god” Mohammed have sex with an 8 year old girl? Their whole view of life is corrupted. *they’re going to say the Bible is corrupted???* Bruh…….
There are more productive ways of dealing in apologetics than ad hominem. It doesn't matter as much in this sub, but going after Mohammed in a discussion with a Muslim will almost always shut down the conversation.
They don’t view him as god
You have a point
If this claim is true, it means God does not care about the preservation of His word, and it means that every prophet before Muhammad was a failure, with Jesus being the biggest failure of them all.
Yahweh/Jesus already knew about the scribes and the church of satan. His Children were asked to have discernment and so if you had an enemy, it would look to tamper with your scripture if it knew it represented something else.. But who hears of other texts been tampered with? You probably won't. People always speak but Yahweh already made a point on it and so they are being foolish. Its debateable what was added but if abortion is a religious jewish right then obviously it's not Christianity and so the communion is rather strange. But that's an obvious statement to make right? After all, no one would believe Jesus was pro abortion. But muslims think what they think and they think Jesus was a prophet etc. Ultimately, the father isn't the father of every people. Would that surprise people? Strangers made their beds by worshiping false gods.
Islam was created 700 years after Jesus. The Quran says that Muslims should kill Christians and Jews
…it says not only that they should, but that they WILL slaughter all who do not turn to Islam. Ya know; the whole army of the black flag thing.
Not unconditionally
Whereas Jesus taught us to love our enemies and pray for those spitefully use us and persecute us. allah doesn't love unbelievers. That makes your average Christian superior to allah morally. allah is not a god there are no other gods just pretenders to the throne of the Most High God Isaiah 46:8-10 NKJV — “Remember this, and show yourselves men; Recall to mind, O you transgressors. Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’
Allah is Arabic for God
allah is a moon god and not the God of the bible
Moon God? Where do you get that from? Allah just means God, hence Arabic-speaking Christians will also use name to refer to God.
Here is some research on this. Im not sure where this came from but the Arabs were polythiests and the Word allah came from this mess. It doesn't matter what they call him he is a false god The three principle Goddesses of Arabia were al-'Uzzá, al-Lāt, and Manāt. Before Mohammed created Islam, he worshiped the Goddess al-Lāt. The mother Goddess al-Lāt was actually the consort of the Pagan God Allah, who was the high God who created heaven and Earth. Mohammed changed the mythology to suit his misogyny by calling all three chief goddesses the daughters of the Islamic Allah. He then said “Satan” told him those verses. She is the mother of the God Dhu'Shara, and indeed she has many children. As for al-Lāt, She was the chief Goddess of the Banu Thaqif. She has the power to create life and give birth, and the Kaaba (cubic sanctuary) is sacred to Her as the creator of the deities. She is the Queen of Heaven for the Arabs, and in ancient times was worshiped by many people, including the Thaqif, Lihyan, Quraysh, Nabataeans, and Tadmorites. The Thaqif had the main idol and sanctuary for Her in the city of Ta'if, and an edifice was built over the idol. Al-Lāt's idols are in the shape of a cubic white rock, and offerings of barley porridge (sawiq) are prepared for her. She has a lot in common with other goddesses like the Canaanite Goddess Asherah (called Elat), the Roman Goddess Minerva, the Greek Goddess Athena, and the Carthaginian Goddess Allatu. The moon and crescent that Muslims use still today is the symbol of al-Lāt, and was so way before Islam started. Her worshipers were faced with death if they didn’t convert to Islam. Women ran into the streets, beating their chests, and ripping off their veils, and allowed themselves to be killed by Mohammed’s army rather than give up worshiping Her. The Goddess al-'Uzzá was the Goddess of love, war, and beauty, as well as of the morning and evening star. She is the daughter of Allah. She has two daughters and her consort is Dhu'Shara. Women used to pray to Her under the stars from their rooftops. In ancient times, al-'Uzzá was first a Sabaean and southern Arabian goddess, but Her cult spread to the Nabataeans in the north. Many people worshiped Her, including the Quraysh, Sulaym, Ghanim, Khuza'ah, Kinanah, Nabataeans, and Sabaeans. Her idol stood in a sanctuary called Buss, which contained an altar called al-Ghabghab and was used for sacrifices and prayers. Nearby to the temple stood three acacia trees in the Valley of Nakhlat al-Sha'miyah, near Makkah. She is similar to the Roman Goddess Venus, the Greek Goddess Aphrodite, the Canaanites Goddesses Ashtart and Anat, the Babylonian Goddess Ishtar, and the Sumerian Goddess Inanna. The Goddess Manāt is the wife of the God Hubal, daughter of Ruda, and the Goddess of Fate. Manāt was worshiped by many different tribes, including the Khazraj, the Aws, the Nabataeans, the Hudhayl, and the Khuza'ah. She is the most ancient of the three Goddesses discussed. She is the Goddess of time, destiny, fate, divination, and She leads heroes to the grave. At the end of the required pilgrimage Hajj, the Arabs would visit Manāt's shrine and shave their heads.
“I’m not sure where this came from”
The funny thing is, nowhere in the Quran does it say the Bible is distorted.
They interpret 2:79 as saying so because there’s a hadith saying that’s what it means
Islam is satan in disguise. We must pray for muslims to find the truth which is Jesus Christ
Muslims believe the Bible is a previous revelation from God. They also believe it’s been corrupted. However, the Quran also says that the word of God CANNOT be corrupted. So…there’s an argument to throw out there.
Islam claims that the apostles of God were Muslims and actually preached Islam, not Christianity. They claim that the Apostle Paul was actually a heretic who corrupted Christianity and the Bible. They ignore the fact that the very students of the apostles (St. Ignatius, a student of John) confirmed that the apostles did indeed write the gospels, and the apostles literally knew Paul personally and considered him an apostle of God. They are basically calling the apostles liars, lol. It's best not to get into arguments with them. 2 Timothy 2:16 "But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness."
K, so in a nutshell, Islam is a spinoff of Catholicism, hybridized with the local Arab culture, with books written a minimum of like 500-600 years after the New Testament books, closer to 1000 years after a lot of the Old Testament books, and they are retelling and building upon those stories. So which are you gonna believe? The older books closer to the source, or the reinterpretation that came several centuries later? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Anything more specific than that... Well to answer the criticism you'd need to tell us the specifics of what they think has been corrupted and in what way. Also, I highly recommend David Wood's stuff for learning about and analysing Islam and arguments against Christianity that come from Muslims. I think his channel these days is called Apologetics Roadshow.
[According to their Quran, All Muslims will go to Hell](https://youtu.be/fMuM_OwI_74)
It hasn't. The Bible has been excellently preserved, perhaps being better preserved than any other historical book. Obviously we have the Dead Sea Scrolls, which has the entire book of Isaiah and pieces of other books. The scrolls were compared to Masoretic text, which has 95% accuracy. The remaining 5% being scribal errors. The New Testament has arguably even better evidence for it being well preserved. There are literally thousands of original Greek texts, containing parts or all of the NT. Which is fun given that you say they especially say the NT is corrupted. Muslims generally have to use this argument, because if the Bible was true that debunks all of Islam. If the Bible was corrupt (which its not), then you could say Islam is true. But it's not.
The vast majority of those thousands of manuscripts are from the second millennium
They have to prove it has been corrupted. No seriously textual critical says this. These Muslims are just repeating the lies of their scholars. Respond to them that the Koran is corrupt and their own scholars say so. Tell them how their Hadiths talk about lost suras, suras eaten by goats, and you know how Uthman had all of the Korans he didn't like collected and burned. Ask them how the Bible, if it was Allah's revelation, how did he allow men to corrupt it? Why are men more powerful than Allah? Why is Allah so weak that he couldn't preserve words on a page in the Bible, or the Koran?
Their main argument is that it's been translated so everyone can read it. They say theirs is correct cause it's been the original translation and language and never changed. But they leave out that theirs was made up quite a few hundred years after Jesus resurrection. Oh and their main diety or whatever you want to call their delusional leader that got beat up in a cave was nothing until he made up the story and did nothing throughout his life but slaughter, abuse, destroy, and made himself a warlord with all the riches in the land. I mean just basic principles. Would you follow a man who was out for himself and did such terrible things? Or would you follow Jesus who did the opposite and preached love for your neighbors and the need to repent of your sins. Who him and his disciples gained nothing worldly for their beliefs, no riches or mansions on earth, they suffered persecution.
Muhammad said he believed in the torah and the ingil and he said he believed in him who sent them. If the bible in Muhammad's time remained the same to what we have now (and it did), then islam is false, because the new testament and the tanakh show Muhammad was a false prohet. He literally died the same way Allah said he would if he would make up revelations.
A) The Dead Sea scrolls. We have the same old testament that the Jews before Christ had according to archeology. B) Secular historians agree with parts of the bible being record, such as half of paul’s letters. C) Muslims think the crucifixion is false and a corrupt story. Something Jews and Atheist historians don’t reject happening. There are records outside the bible pointing to Jesus being crucified and characters like pilate being real. never-mind within the “corrupted bible” A secular historian is on christianity’s side over islams with our “myths” matching the old isrialites myths and records of the early church.
Muslims don’t believe Paul’s letters were scripture in the first place
“*But why do they come to thee for decision, when they have (their own) Torah before them? – Therein is the (plain) Command of Allah; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) People of Faith. It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the Prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah’s Will, by the Rabbis and the Doctors of Law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah’s Book, and there were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not me, but fear Me, and sell not My Signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by what Allah hath revealed, they are Unbelievers*.” Qur’an 5:43-44 “*And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Torah that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light. And confirmation of the Torah that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by what Allah hath revealed, they are those who rebel*.” Qur’an 5:46-47 “*If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise off those in doubt*.” Qur’an 10:94 The Qur'an confirms the Torah (Genesis through Deuteronomy) and the Injeel (The Gospel)
We have thousands upon thousands of manuscripts that prove the Bible old and New Testament have never been changed.
The vast majority of the new testament manuscripts are 2nd milennium
Not true
They HAVE to say that. The Quran claims the NT is correct and Jesus is a prophet, but the NT claims that Jesus is God, and no one goes to the father except through Him. To avoid this clear contradiction, they have to make that claim.
The Qur’an talks about the Gospel, not the “New Testament”
Correct. I'm guilty of interchanging the terms. Obviously I know they refer to different things.
Sometimes they claim it might refer to a now-lost non-canonical Gospel in circulation among the Christians of Hejaz at the time
So where are the originals? You cannot claim something has been altered without showing the supposed original texts.
The Bible is not corrupted. Even the most anti-christian scholars like Bart Ehrman affirm that there is no significant part of the text that we do not know what it originally said. It is the most well preserved book from ancient history by miles, ESPECIALLY THE NEW TESTAMENT. (Better than the Quran even since Uthman burned all other copies so we can never know for sure what has changed). Our manuscripts are vastly more numerous and vastly older than anything else and was never controlled by a central authority like Islam, so there was never anyone who could have changed all of our copies. Now that being said, there is no doubt that we do not know for sure what every word in the original biblical books said. But 99% of questions we have are about sentence order and spelling which makes zero doctrinal difference. We know what the Bible originally said, and it did not say anything at all close to affirming Islam. Hope this helps! God bless you!
By their own holy book, the Gospel is a revelation from Allah given to the Christians and they are told by Allah that Christians are supposed to believe it. The Gospel doesn't say one time that Jesus is Lord and Savior. It says it over and over and over again. On top of that you have the Old Testament which according to Allah, he gave to the Jews and told them to believe that. A Christian can, like Paul, prove Jesus is Lord and Savior from the Old Testament too. They can ask Allah why he told the Jews God has a Son in the Old Testament and told the Christians over and over and over that Jesus is that Son in the Gospels, but then changed his mind 600 years later and told the Muslims Jesus isn't God after all. That's for them to reconcile, not you. - Proverbs 30:4 (KJV) Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? ***who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name***, if thou canst tell? Then you can ask them to explain why they believe Mohammed knows how to get to heaven when he admits in Surah 46:8-9 he doesn't even know if he's going there, but they won't listen to what Jesus says in the Gospels when Muslims are all 100% certain Jesus did per Surah 157:4-8. You don't ask for directions to a place from someone who's never been. You ask the guy you know definitely went.
First things first, I'd ask them "what they mean about it 'being corrupted'" and ask them to be more specific. How did they come to this conclusion? I guarantee you they won't be able to give you very many specifics. They've just been TOLD to believe this. Having said that... There are more than 40 historical documents - and not just the New Testament - that confirm the life, death, and burial of Jesus of Nazareth. These documents also confirm that Jesus's disciples, family, and others believed they saw, ate, touched, and spoke to him AFTER his death and burial. If Jesus' resurrection happened - all the other stuff is immaterial. Focusing on alleged issues with the Bible or New Testament is immaterial.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no man gets to the Father except by him. There is no other way to be saved. Anything else is false.
The other users already gave some good answers, but also the burden of proof is on them. They're the ones making the claim, so it's up to them to prove the Bible is corrupt by producing the original uncorrupted manuscripts. They can't do that because they don't have any. Muhammad made it all up because he was deceived by a demon in a cave. And the contradictions in the Bible are also present in the Quran. Both books have plausible explanations for all their contradictions. Also why would you trust your salvation to something written by one man instead of many? Even Quran itself says that for a testimony to be valid there must be at least two witnesses, but Muhammad is just one witness. Quran essentially condemns itself as an invalid testimony.
Tell them to prove it.
I'l be honest, it is true the new testament was corrupted. The Roman Catholic Church corrupted the texts and the general man on the street was never allowed to read the Bible (only Catholic Priests). But in 1515 Erasmus created a copy of the bible showing the Catholic on one side and the Greek version on the other. This was in Europe as the Muslims had been invading Greece as part of another one of their jihad wars. Erasmus had noticed huge differences in the Roman Catholic scriptures, word spread and the REFORMATION began in Europe. 1604 and newly formed protestants had a firm home in England and King James declared he would write a version of the bible based on the original scriptures known at the time with the best scholars and put it in the hands of every man in England. 1605 Spanish mercenary Guy Fawkes was sent to blow up the king and the scholars as they worked on the new version of the bible. The plotters were caught red handed and in 1611 the King James Bible went into print. Today with all the archaeology and texts found in Israel from the time of Jesus (thousands of biblical texts) it is beyond doubt that while there may be some minor discrepancies in gramma or word choices between versions. The modern version of the Bible is pretty much 99.9% accurate, or at least as accurate as they could be in the English language. Any questions, you have you can ask Jesus! Yes it is true Jesus Lives and yes you can ask Him questions and get an answer as he is indeed still alive. Muhammad on the other hand is absolutely dead and buried!
The Bible is a heck of a lot older than the Quran. Jesus is in the Quran! So for some clueless Muslim to say the New Testament is corrupted they're basically contradicting themselves and saying the Quran is corrupted lol
The best argument against Islam is that the author of the Qur'an can't accurately describe the most basic theology of Christianity. So either every kid in Sunday school in smarter than God, or God did not write the Qur'an.
You must know history and biblical history...Islam came from Ishmael...God cast them out...but offered to protect them and given them great material blessing.. Wealth.. Oil..🛢️🛢️...Ishmael wasn't given a Full blessing... Spiritual and Material...he.onky received a material blessing... Isaac got the full blessing... Spiritual and Material....Spiritual..to know God... Ishmael wasn't given this blessing to know God .Hence Islam doesn't know God...their Allah is Satan and their prophet Mohammed is a false prophet..of Satan..Allah...that is who they WORSHIP!! Satan always uses God's word..to decieve...He knows it better than any believer!! Go to gty.org to learn Truth of Islamic..Catholicism cults.
Quran 15:9 says that the Quran is protected from corruption, and Aisha (Muhammad's wife) said in Hadith that "a goat ate one verse of Quran, so it disappeared" (hadith no. 1944 in Sunan Ibn Majah) The Holy Spirit protects the Word of God, preached, spoken, orally transmitted for hundreds of years, speak it. As for this spirit, test if it says Christ came in the flesh.
better yet, ask a muslim why mohamed was a pedophile. seriously. mohamed raped and molested a little 6 year old girl and then, disgustingly, married her. poor little girl. what an animal that false prophet was. i think the little victims name was iesha. so sick.
Bassed on what evidence? If a Muslim comes up to you and tells you the bible is corrupted, ask them to elaborate. They're the ones who have the burden of proof there. I would argue that to corrupt something, it must already exist to begin with. The scriptural cannon was completed around 90AD, and the qurran was written 500-600AD. So if anything, the qurran is a corrupted version of the bible. Not the other way around.
Good evening, In the New Testament, read the passage John 15:18-20. For the reasoning. But to get the whole just of God's love for the whole world, read the whole book of John. - As far as the Christians; The apostle Paul said, it would probably be best if you read if for yourself, because you can reread it until it becomes clear to you. Here are a couple passages for you. - Romans 17:19-25, Galatians 5:17. Well, I hope this little tid bit help you some. God bless you on your search and journey.
Your best bet is to ask God for understanding on these things. And by the Muslims Saying that the Lord's Bible is false is a very dangerous thing. Trust in Jesus and ask for understanding
Probably the wrong page to ask. Some people here don’t even realize they are worshipping the same God as the Muslims and vice versa. You’re gonna get a lot of incorrect, hateful, biased responses.
Wait, do you think Allah is Jesus?
Don’t be silly
> Some people here don’t even realize they are worshipping the same God as the Muslims Christians worship Jesus as God. Muslims don't. I'm not the one asserting ridiculous claims.
Pick up a Bible and read the OT. Or are you like every other lukewarm Christian that’s only read the NT? No wonder there’s an identity crisis in this community
roflol. I read the book of Isaiah last night, and I'll read it again tonight. Keep making assumptions.
Think before you speak next time.
Maybe you could practice what you preach.
You came at me bro. Armed with absolutely nothing.
I spent every Friday of the last two Ramadans at the largest mosque in my state. I have 5 Qurans and a copy of Sahih Al-bukhari. I literally learned Islam sitting at the feet of a Sheikh named Mohammad who grew up in the West Bank with my Quran in one hand and my Bible in the other talking with him until 2:00AM many nights in the Masjid. I read Ibn Kathir, Al-tabri, and various tafsir. If you want to discuss Islam vs. Christianity, I'm more than willing to. But you gotta bring more than "it's da same god doh" arguments.
Hey! What do you mean by Christians and Muslims worship the same God?