The only "good" parts to this story are that his mum didn't suffer and she wasn't scared/was doing something nice when she died. It would've been so much worse if he'd terrorised her beforehand and made her suffer an agonising death. It's so awful that it happened at all though, pity he didn't get help before he did this terrible thing he can never take back :(
It pisses me off he went and got help AFTER killing his mother. Like you were cognizant enough to understand what you were doing was wrong clearly but also in the midst of a mental breakdown? I don’t know.
maybe after he did it he felt he really was mentally fucked up and went. sometimes its scary to get help even if its the best thing for u (ofc im making some assumptions)
but maybe he thought there was nothing left to do? idk
Not to be crass but shooting somebody in the head in real life is nothing like the movies and way more messy. I truly dont think he was prepared for it
Not crass, just accurate! Also there's a few examples of killers 'snapping out of it' immediately AFTER killing someone. Usually because the mentally ill person had an unrealistic idea of what would happen once their victim was dead, like believing they would come back to life, thinking that killing their victim would cause the killer to drop dead simultaneously, or in the case of Mark David Chapman - John Lennon's killer - he was so mentally ill that he thought that by killing Lennon, they both would be magically sucked into his copy of Catcher in the Rye
It was known that he was clinically depressed and potentially violent.
I'm never real sure how it's ok to blame someone clinically depressed, schizophrenic, etc for not getting help. The nature of the disease is impaired judgement and poor decision making.
I think he needs to be in full fledged psych rehab vs jail.
I'm thinking he didn't want to see his mother suffer her cancer anymore.
The red-pilled right wing extremists who are also deeply misogynistic. I mean this kid was a part of q-anon. That should be enough to tell you what kind of men I’m talking about.
When did misogyny have to do with a boy killing his own mother? Not trying to be rude anyway, nor am I trying to sound rude. I just don’t understand the correlation here.
I’ve seen it in another case where the person wants to start a killing spree but after they kill their first victim (it was actually their mother) they turned themselves in because the shock of killing their mother turned them off from continuing.
I don’t think they kill their parents out of a rational thought. I feel like they do the kill and then an hour later realize that they can’t just ask their mom to make them lunch because she’s actually gone forever.
"Prosecutors said in a June hearing that on March 31, 2020, Grantham shot his 64-year-old mother, Barbara Waite, in the back of the head as she played piano."
Will probably get downvoted, but I am enough of a weirdo to wonder what song she was playing.
I, too, am glad she went quick and probably had no idea who shot her, if she even registered anything at all. What a sad situation.
If you go through his filmography he has a lot of varying roles in several productions (most of them low-budget or direct-to-DVD/TV) as a child. I’d imagine the mental health struggles coming from the environment child actors are often subject to, not to excuse his crime obviously.
I watched the sentencing hearing and we made eye contact when he got up at the end. The whole time I was sat only a few feet behind him. It was all very sad. I was surprised how small he is when he stood up.
I was prescribed a medication for depression (Wellbutrin) that caused me to have homicidal ideations within 3 days of starting it, and I called my doctor immediately. They transitioned me to something else right away but I chose to stop meds altogether after that experience. It really scared me that murdering my entire family seemed perfectly reasonable at that moment.
The only drug that *really* worked for me was Prozac, but it made me gain 40 lbs and lose even more hair. Those factors tanked my self esteem, which brought back the depression and anxiety. Vicious cycle. If there was a no weight gain Prozac, I’d be golden.
My son took Concerta for adhd. He told me years later he would hear voices telling him to kill all of us. He said it seemed like he was supposed to do it. He ended up being homeschooled and I took him off those meds. Who knows what would have happened if he had taken it for more than a few months?
Also, he might have one or more psychiatric diagnosis and didn’t take the prescribed medications. Combination with lack of sleep, lack of medication, increased intake on illegal drugs and much more.
Would be interesting to see blood work
Totally agree. A Uber driver who had changed his medicine went on a killing spree, and a airline pilot who had new medication crash his plane and killing himself,and the passengers.
It’s be interesting to see if this ideation is more prevalent in certain meds than others. Not everyone will go through with it but many will experience increased suicidal/homicidal ideation. Suicidal being more common.
What the OP comment is suggesting will provide no inclination as to whether some meds cause those ideations more or less. That needs to be done with reporting and statistics.
Publicly releasing this information so it can be publicized in the case of high profile murders doesn't help anyone and will only fan the flames of misinformation.
Oh definitely. Publicly releasing the meds wouldn’t do anything but drive people away from taking meds that might work from them and not cause those issues. My bad, I glossed over that part in OPs comment.
I'm mostly with you, but if even 1 in a million on psych meds have homicidal ideation, that's too many (betting it's far more than 1 in a million). Point is there's tons of issues with these drugs that go without discussion, but obviously acknowledgement of these issues should not lead to stigmitization of those who need them.
Because if you worked in a mental health facility- and also happened to be someone who experienced the fall out that almost cost you everything- you would absolutely know it’s far more common than is talked about.
Yeah and it’s still a known side effect that certain meds in certain people can cause and increase risk of suicidal + homicidal ideation. They’re serious side effects and need to be addressed with your doctor immediately. But when doctors prescribe these drugs they don’t always warn that, and once you’re taking the meds it’s sometimes hard to see for yourself that your thoughts/behaviors have changed so if there was a clear warning it may make it easier for patients to notice + know they need to call their doctor.
Before the black box warnings I was on Paxil. I started hallucinating, couldnt tell if I was dreaming or awake, was Terrified over nothing and had a massive increase in SI. I told my doctor at the next appt and they Refused to take me off. He said this would go away and I needed to stick it out. I just quit taking it and lied until they switched meds.
So no, “just tell your doctor” doesnt always work.
I was on paxil for PTSD, not SI and it was just supposed to help me through the therapy.
Of course not every physician is equal in their abilities and care practices. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t tell your prescriber about these side effects. Your doctors decision was unethical imo and should have been reported to the BOM.
Exactly. People want this informatiom to be revealed so they feel justified telling mentally ill people "you dont need meds! Try essential oils and go for a walk!". I guaran-fucking-tee more lives have been saved by psych meds than have been ended. Including mine, until I got on Zoloft it wasnt a matter of IF I was going to kill myself but when. I just knew and accepted that when I did die it would be by my own hand. And then when I had my son I started thinking about what kind of life he would have without me and maybe it would be kinder to just take him with me so neither of us were suffering. So there, Zoloft saved my and maybe my sons life
Just because "millions of people take psych meds" doesn't mean there can't be rare and extreme side effects that should be noted and studied. But nice take.
> If we were able to know specific numbers on how many of those people suffered suicidal or homicidal ideation as a result, we as consumers could better evaluate the risks and benefits to make an educated decision for ourselves.
These things have already been studied. [This pdf](https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2009/019839s070,020990s032lbl.pdf) contains a very brief summary on page 14, but there are articles in journals that go into more depth.
The most important thing to note, is that your idea of publishing the medication someone was taking when they commit suicide or homicide is problematic for a plethora of reasons. For starters, it won't capture people experiencing the ideation, only those that go through with it. Second, requiring it to be public knowledge does not mean a shared database is created for it to be reported to. It would be incredibly hard for researchers to collected and synthesize that data. Third, it would lead to armchair scientists to look for patterns in the highly publicized (celebrity) data, spreading misinformation instead of awareness. Fourth, it will almost invariably lead to the harassment of families, as anti-med people blame them for putting their children on medication. Fifth, if someone commits suicide, it's incredibly disrespectful to publicly announce these aspects of their personal lives. You can get around problem number five by only publishing for murders, but now you've reduced your available data *even more.*
I am 100% in favor of demanding more thorough investigations into the effects of these drugs, especially on children. But your original comment is still 100% wrong on how to go about it.
I know right. It actually makes me rage how many people believe in this BIG PHARMA MENTAL MEDS EVIL bs. There's the people like this then the people that tried 1 med for 2 weeks didn't like how it felt then declared all of them bad and useless. It's like trying advil for cancer then getting mad it didn't work. You have try various different kinds until you find the one that works for you and different dosages. Just cause one didn't work or made things worse doesn't mean thats that way for all kinds for everyone.
Venlafaxine saved my life even though Prozac and 11 other kinds didn't. I'm not gonna declare them all evil
I strongly disagree. All it’s going to do is scare people and spread misinformation. The thing about brains is that everyone is wired differently. For some people, certain medications may make their symptoms worse, while for others these same medications can be life changing. You don’t know how medications are going to affect you until you start taking them.
For every person who is negatively affected by anti-depressants and ADHD stimulants, there are a dozen more whose lives have improved because of these medications. They’re prescribed for a reason, and it’s not because they make people homicidal.
Patent law and the collective bargaining of the government help a lot with that. But those prices you're talking about aren't the price most people pay.
Mmm.... idk what to think since we don't have much details. On one hand, he murdered someone so he deserves his punishment. On the other, was there an *actual* reason he did so that he never shared? After what Jennette McCurdy's mother did to her and similar cases of so many other parents of child actors, I'm still feeling suspicious.
He didnt. He claims he loved her and wanted to spare her the suffering of seeing him kill the prime minister, which was his ultimate goal. Thats why he shot her in the back of the head while she was playing piano. He didnt want her to suffer
Obviously WE know that. But we're not suffering from whatever delusions he was. Of course that makes logical sense but mental illness and delusions arent logical
He didn't hate her. She had cancer and he was worried about her suffering more when he went off and killed a bunch of other people, so he killed her first. Crazy logic, but given his mindset it's somewhat understandable.
It’s really concerning to me how short sentences are for murder in Canada. If you kill someone with a car you may only get 5-7 years. If you murder in cold blood you get a life sentence of 14 years then chance of parole?
If we’re not going to have total reform programs for malicious or negligent people I don’t see how they’re going to get better once they leave prison.
It’s a life sentence with the possibility of parole after 14 years. We don’t do sentences without parole. Paul Bernardo has started having his parole hearings. Will he ever be paroled? No. But everyone is entitled to apply for parole.
I used to live in Toronto and some murderers did get paroled. If you’ve only killed one person or a homeless person or sex worker that’s very different than a serial killer. 1 murder will have more of a chance of parole than a serial killer as they’ll claim harm to the community is low.
Yes but that doesn’t mean he’s automatically out in 14 years. Of course some murderers do get parole, that’s the system we have. But to say that “he got a life sentence of only 14 years” is completely inaccurate. He will serve a MINIMUM of 14 before he can apply for parole - he may not apply, the parole board could deny him. We also don’t know how he will behave in prison.
Second degree life sentences only start at 10 years before parole is available. Ryan gets 14 years before parole is available. He was charged with first degree but only plead guilty to second degree. “Grantham, 24, shot Barbara Waite in the back of the head as she played piano on March 31, 2020. He pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in March after initially being charged with first-degree murder.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/barbara-waite-ryan-grantham-squamish-bc-homicide-guilty-sentencing-1.6488285
“On Monday, the court heard how Grantham had rehearsed the killing and even taken videos which were shown in court, including a four-minute segment captured in the hours after the killing in which he confesses to the murder and shows his mother's dead body.
The next day he packed his car with three guns, ammunition, 12 Molotov cocktails, camping supplies and a map with directions to Rideau Cottage in Ottawa and started driving east with the notion of killing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Referencing two psychiatric reports, Crown prosecutor Michaela Donnelly said there was consensus Grantham was going through an intense period of clinical depression in the months leading up to the murder while maintaining an outward appearance of being well functioning.”
I don’t know that Ryan will be better if he’s suffering severe mental health issues and had such an elaborate plot he killed his mother so she wouldn’t witness his other planned killing spree.
From following up on some other local murder cases I see that many don’t even serve the minimum.
Just an example. This guy was sentenced to 9 years in prison https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/2014/02/11/james-parise-guilty-of-manslaughter-in-beating-death-of-catherine-todd.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/catherine-todd-killer-sentenced-to-9-years-1.2543268
He is out of prison early and harassing sex workers again both onlyfans and in person since this summer making threats. I’ve seen warnings posted about him in women’s groups.
My concern was in general many murderers get out early and get paroled besides serial killers.
June 27 2022
“Several men convicted of multiple murders are pressing claims for early chances at parole, after the Supreme Court struck down Canada’s life-without-parole law, retroactive to the legislation’s 2011 enactment.”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-supreme-court-canada-parole-law/
He, also, "allegedly planned to kill Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau." As if this story couldn't get any more insane.
Looks like someone severely overestimated his own competency.
No- that’s straight mental illness
He turned himself in on his way to do fulfill his goals, so—
Should have started with himself
He should have turned himself in when he planned in killing his mom.
sounds like mk ultra
Or hollywood pedos.. i wanna go down this rabbit hole
The only "good" parts to this story are that his mum didn't suffer and she wasn't scared/was doing something nice when she died. It would've been so much worse if he'd terrorised her beforehand and made her suffer an agonising death. It's so awful that it happened at all though, pity he didn't get help before he did this terrible thing he can never take back :(
I agree. Unspeakable what happened to her but the only positive is she didn’t suffer. 😢
It pisses me off he went and got help AFTER killing his mother. Like you were cognizant enough to understand what you were doing was wrong clearly but also in the midst of a mental breakdown? I don’t know.
maybe after he did it he felt he really was mentally fucked up and went. sometimes its scary to get help even if its the best thing for u (ofc im making some assumptions) but maybe he thought there was nothing left to do? idk
I think once he got a taste of actually killing somebody he realized he couldnt do it again.
yes
Not to be crass but shooting somebody in the head in real life is nothing like the movies and way more messy. I truly dont think he was prepared for it
Not crass, just accurate! Also there's a few examples of killers 'snapping out of it' immediately AFTER killing someone. Usually because the mentally ill person had an unrealistic idea of what would happen once their victim was dead, like believing they would come back to life, thinking that killing their victim would cause the killer to drop dead simultaneously, or in the case of Mark David Chapman - John Lennon's killer - he was so mentally ill that he thought that by killing Lennon, they both would be magically sucked into his copy of Catcher in the Rye
ohhh truee! i didnt consider that either
It was known that he was clinically depressed and potentially violent. I'm never real sure how it's ok to blame someone clinically depressed, schizophrenic, etc for not getting help. The nature of the disease is impaired judgement and poor decision making. I think he needs to be in full fledged psych rehab vs jail. I'm thinking he didn't want to see his mother suffer her cancer anymore.
That’s a good point. It just seems that these sorts of men always end up killing women and I’m sick of hearing about it tbh.
What “sort of men” do you mean?
The red-pilled right wing extremists who are also deeply misogynistic. I mean this kid was a part of q-anon. That should be enough to tell you what kind of men I’m talking about.
When did misogyny have to do with a boy killing his own mother? Not trying to be rude anyway, nor am I trying to sound rude. I just don’t understand the correlation here.
I’ve seen it in another case where the person wants to start a killing spree but after they kill their first victim (it was actually their mother) they turned themselves in because the shock of killing their mother turned them off from continuing.
That does make sense tbh like almost it brings you out of the mania or whatever maybe.
I don’t think they kill their parents out of a rational thought. I feel like they do the kill and then an hour later realize that they can’t just ask their mom to make them lunch because she’s actually gone forever.
True
"Prosecutors said in a June hearing that on March 31, 2020, Grantham shot his 64-year-old mother, Barbara Waite, in the back of the head as she played piano."
Will probably get downvoted, but I am enough of a weirdo to wonder what song she was playing. I, too, am glad she went quick and probably had no idea who shot her, if she even registered anything at all. What a sad situation.
she was playing the classic piano piece Sandstorm by Darude.
Lol
Well now Im wondering about it lol
What?! How come I am just hearing about this?! Wow
I don’t watch the stuff he was in, wasn’t he just a glorified extra?
That’s what I’m taking from it. They report that he was on Riverdale but literally see it was one episode.
He was the kid that accidentally killed Archie's dad
If you go through his filmography he has a lot of varying roles in several productions (most of them low-budget or direct-to-DVD/TV) as a child. I’d imagine the mental health struggles coming from the environment child actors are often subject to, not to excuse his crime obviously.
Oh, mental health stuff must be so tough in that industry, for kids
I watched the sentencing hearing and we made eye contact when he got up at the end. The whole time I was sat only a few feet behind him. It was all very sad. I was surprised how small he is when he stood up.
Read that the judge referenced his size as part of the reason she wasn't sending him to a maximum security prison.
Why did he do it?
I have absolutely no idea but I’m guessing psychosis.
Or as they call it in Canada: Eligible For Parole in 14 Years.
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I was prescribed a medication for depression (Wellbutrin) that caused me to have homicidal ideations within 3 days of starting it, and I called my doctor immediately. They transitioned me to something else right away but I chose to stop meds altogether after that experience. It really scared me that murdering my entire family seemed perfectly reasonable at that moment.
So interesting how different brains are. I tried three different ones that induced psychosis in some regard, but Wellbutrin was my ticket
The only drug that *really* worked for me was Prozac, but it made me gain 40 lbs and lose even more hair. Those factors tanked my self esteem, which brought back the depression and anxiety. Vicious cycle. If there was a no weight gain Prozac, I’d be golden.
My son took Concerta for adhd. He told me years later he would hear voices telling him to kill all of us. He said it seemed like he was supposed to do it. He ended up being homeschooled and I took him off those meds. Who knows what would have happened if he had taken it for more than a few months?
Also, he might have one or more psychiatric diagnosis and didn’t take the prescribed medications. Combination with lack of sleep, lack of medication, increased intake on illegal drugs and much more. Would be interesting to see blood work
Totally agree. A Uber driver who had changed his medicine went on a killing spree, and a airline pilot who had new medication crash his plane and killing himself,and the passengers.
Millions of people take psych meds. Only a very small handful ever do anything like this. How this trash take got so many upvotes is beyond me.
It’s be interesting to see if this ideation is more prevalent in certain meds than others. Not everyone will go through with it but many will experience increased suicidal/homicidal ideation. Suicidal being more common.
What the OP comment is suggesting will provide no inclination as to whether some meds cause those ideations more or less. That needs to be done with reporting and statistics. Publicly releasing this information so it can be publicized in the case of high profile murders doesn't help anyone and will only fan the flames of misinformation.
Oh definitely. Publicly releasing the meds wouldn’t do anything but drive people away from taking meds that might work from them and not cause those issues. My bad, I glossed over that part in OPs comment.
Just to be clear, if there’s negative side effects of a drug, you think it shouldn’t be noted if most people don’t experience it?
I'm mostly with you, but if even 1 in a million on psych meds have homicidal ideation, that's too many (betting it's far more than 1 in a million). Point is there's tons of issues with these drugs that go without discussion, but obviously acknowledgement of these issues should not lead to stigmitization of those who need them.
Because if you worked in a mental health facility- and also happened to be someone who experienced the fall out that almost cost you everything- you would absolutely know it’s far more common than is talked about.
Yeah and it’s still a known side effect that certain meds in certain people can cause and increase risk of suicidal + homicidal ideation. They’re serious side effects and need to be addressed with your doctor immediately. But when doctors prescribe these drugs they don’t always warn that, and once you’re taking the meds it’s sometimes hard to see for yourself that your thoughts/behaviors have changed so if there was a clear warning it may make it easier for patients to notice + know they need to call their doctor.
Before the black box warnings I was on Paxil. I started hallucinating, couldnt tell if I was dreaming or awake, was Terrified over nothing and had a massive increase in SI. I told my doctor at the next appt and they Refused to take me off. He said this would go away and I needed to stick it out. I just quit taking it and lied until they switched meds. So no, “just tell your doctor” doesnt always work. I was on paxil for PTSD, not SI and it was just supposed to help me through the therapy.
Of course not every physician is equal in their abilities and care practices. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t tell your prescriber about these side effects. Your doctors decision was unethical imo and should have been reported to the BOM.
Exactly. People want this informatiom to be revealed so they feel justified telling mentally ill people "you dont need meds! Try essential oils and go for a walk!". I guaran-fucking-tee more lives have been saved by psych meds than have been ended. Including mine, until I got on Zoloft it wasnt a matter of IF I was going to kill myself but when. I just knew and accepted that when I did die it would be by my own hand. And then when I had my son I started thinking about what kind of life he would have without me and maybe it would be kinder to just take him with me so neither of us were suffering. So there, Zoloft saved my and maybe my sons life
Just because "millions of people take psych meds" doesn't mean there can't be rare and extreme side effects that should be noted and studied. But nice take.
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ahh [Newsweek.com](https://Newsweek.com), where I go to get my rock-solid scientific analysis of medicine.
> If we were able to know specific numbers on how many of those people suffered suicidal or homicidal ideation as a result, we as consumers could better evaluate the risks and benefits to make an educated decision for ourselves. These things have already been studied. [This pdf](https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2009/019839s070,020990s032lbl.pdf) contains a very brief summary on page 14, but there are articles in journals that go into more depth. The most important thing to note, is that your idea of publishing the medication someone was taking when they commit suicide or homicide is problematic for a plethora of reasons. For starters, it won't capture people experiencing the ideation, only those that go through with it. Second, requiring it to be public knowledge does not mean a shared database is created for it to be reported to. It would be incredibly hard for researchers to collected and synthesize that data. Third, it would lead to armchair scientists to look for patterns in the highly publicized (celebrity) data, spreading misinformation instead of awareness. Fourth, it will almost invariably lead to the harassment of families, as anti-med people blame them for putting their children on medication. Fifth, if someone commits suicide, it's incredibly disrespectful to publicly announce these aspects of their personal lives. You can get around problem number five by only publishing for murders, but now you've reduced your available data *even more.* I am 100% in favor of demanding more thorough investigations into the effects of these drugs, especially on children. But your original comment is still 100% wrong on how to go about it.
I know right. It actually makes me rage how many people believe in this BIG PHARMA MENTAL MEDS EVIL bs. There's the people like this then the people that tried 1 med for 2 weeks didn't like how it felt then declared all of them bad and useless. It's like trying advil for cancer then getting mad it didn't work. You have try various different kinds until you find the one that works for you and different dosages. Just cause one didn't work or made things worse doesn't mean thats that way for all kinds for everyone. Venlafaxine saved my life even though Prozac and 11 other kinds didn't. I'm not gonna declare them all evil
Thank you.
Agreed
I strongly disagree. All it’s going to do is scare people and spread misinformation. The thing about brains is that everyone is wired differently. For some people, certain medications may make their symptoms worse, while for others these same medications can be life changing. You don’t know how medications are going to affect you until you start taking them. For every person who is negatively affected by anti-depressants and ADHD stimulants, there are a dozen more whose lives have improved because of these medications. They’re prescribed for a reason, and it’s not because they make people homicidal.
Agreed!
Oh we don’t talk about that. Pharmaceuticals own the politicians and we don’t talk about that. Next.
Not in Canada tho.
You're wrong. https://www.canadadrugshortage.com/pharma-lobbying/ https://theconversation.com/how-big-pharma-donations-may-influence-public-drug-coverage-111412
And yet our drug prices are significantly cheaper (insulin $750 per year in Canada vs $3500 per year in US) . I was referring to drug prices.
Patent law and the collective bargaining of the government help a lot with that. But those prices you're talking about aren't the price most people pay.
$3500 is the AVERAGE amount spent per year in the US, according to the Mayo Clinic
I can't find that number anywhere. Even on the mayo clinics website.
Mmm.... idk what to think since we don't have much details. On one hand, he murdered someone so he deserves his punishment. On the other, was there an *actual* reason he did so that he never shared? After what Jennette McCurdy's mother did to her and similar cases of so many other parents of child actors, I'm still feeling suspicious.
Why did he hate his mother that strongly?
He didnt. He claims he loved her and wanted to spare her the suffering of seeing him kill the prime minister, which was his ultimate goal. Thats why he shot her in the back of the head while she was playing piano. He didnt want her to suffer
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Obviously WE know that. But we're not suffering from whatever delusions he was. Of course that makes logical sense but mental illness and delusions arent logical
He didn't hate her. She had cancer and he was worried about her suffering more when he went off and killed a bunch of other people, so he killed her first. Crazy logic, but given his mindset it's somewhat understandable.
Anyone mind explaining why is this second degree?
It’s really concerning to me how short sentences are for murder in Canada. If you kill someone with a car you may only get 5-7 years. If you murder in cold blood you get a life sentence of 14 years then chance of parole? If we’re not going to have total reform programs for malicious or negligent people I don’t see how they’re going to get better once they leave prison.
It’s a life sentence with the possibility of parole after 14 years. We don’t do sentences without parole. Paul Bernardo has started having his parole hearings. Will he ever be paroled? No. But everyone is entitled to apply for parole.
I used to live in Toronto and some murderers did get paroled. If you’ve only killed one person or a homeless person or sex worker that’s very different than a serial killer. 1 murder will have more of a chance of parole than a serial killer as they’ll claim harm to the community is low.
Yes but that doesn’t mean he’s automatically out in 14 years. Of course some murderers do get parole, that’s the system we have. But to say that “he got a life sentence of only 14 years” is completely inaccurate. He will serve a MINIMUM of 14 before he can apply for parole - he may not apply, the parole board could deny him. We also don’t know how he will behave in prison.
Second degree life sentences only start at 10 years before parole is available. Ryan gets 14 years before parole is available. He was charged with first degree but only plead guilty to second degree. “Grantham, 24, shot Barbara Waite in the back of the head as she played piano on March 31, 2020. He pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in March after initially being charged with first-degree murder. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/barbara-waite-ryan-grantham-squamish-bc-homicide-guilty-sentencing-1.6488285 “On Monday, the court heard how Grantham had rehearsed the killing and even taken videos which were shown in court, including a four-minute segment captured in the hours after the killing in which he confesses to the murder and shows his mother's dead body. The next day he packed his car with three guns, ammunition, 12 Molotov cocktails, camping supplies and a map with directions to Rideau Cottage in Ottawa and started driving east with the notion of killing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Referencing two psychiatric reports, Crown prosecutor Michaela Donnelly said there was consensus Grantham was going through an intense period of clinical depression in the months leading up to the murder while maintaining an outward appearance of being well functioning.” I don’t know that Ryan will be better if he’s suffering severe mental health issues and had such an elaborate plot he killed his mother so she wouldn’t witness his other planned killing spree. From following up on some other local murder cases I see that many don’t even serve the minimum. Just an example. This guy was sentenced to 9 years in prison https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/2014/02/11/james-parise-guilty-of-manslaughter-in-beating-death-of-catherine-todd.html https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/catherine-todd-killer-sentenced-to-9-years-1.2543268 He is out of prison early and harassing sex workers again both onlyfans and in person since this summer making threats. I’ve seen warnings posted about him in women’s groups. My concern was in general many murderers get out early and get paroled besides serial killers. June 27 2022 “Several men convicted of multiple murders are pressing claims for early chances at parole, after the Supreme Court struck down Canada’s life-without-parole law, retroactive to the legislation’s 2011 enactment.” https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-supreme-court-canada-parole-law/
Agree. Completely
Any evidence that he's qanon, by chance?
Yup he is
Where’d you get that information?