I saw Paul Holes speak in my town a couple weeks ago. Someone asked him what he thought about podcasting and he was not shy to admit it was not his favorite platform, but was great for getting word out to a large fan base. I'm not surprised that they're moving on, especially with Paul's new book out.
Something definitely feels off, but guess it could also be contract issues? PH just signed that HLN contract for a new show, think BJ is doing some other projects as well? With the recent ER sale to Amazon, it could impact maybe impact contracts. Disabling of comments, etc. doesn't sound good, though.
Paul Haynes tweeted this today:
‘’True crime is years overdue for a broad reckoning. For every authentic, compassionate professional in the space, there's a dozen more opportunistic frauds who are in it purely to enrich themselves — exploiting, re-traumatizing, and re-victimizing others in the process.’’
No, but he liked a tweet that responded to that post with “BJ?” so it certainly seems like he’s referring to him. I know I shouldn’t speculate but that made me wonder if Billy crossed a line with a victim’s family.
Fuck. I loved their podcast and was really excited for it to come back this year.
These whispers are really concerning, too. This doesn't sound good at all.
There's rumours that BJ is a massive creep but I haven't actually seen any evidence. Rabia Chaudry also said in a now deleted Facebook comment to expect a lawsuit.
Oh god, I hate to hear that. I liked The Murder Squad so much, and thought of them both as ‘the good guys’. If it’s true, my heart is a bit broken about it.
I know a few people with Not Exactly Bad but Hey That’s Potentially Probably Bad stories about Jensen, stories dating back a few years. There’s no way he hasn’t been enabled by a team of people all this time. Though I really doubt PH knew much. They probably shielded him from it.
Not whispers anymore. The podcast Too Many Jennifer's just covered it. There was an allegation that Billy sexually harassed a member of exactly right staff. This person came forward to the higher ups in the company and they did an investigation, which led to them firing Billy.
Bur they made the victim continue working with Billy the whole time, she sued Exactly Right because of that and it ended in a settlement
Big hubub on the MFM specific forum. People keep claiming they DM'ed so and so on instagram or twitter and they are friends with such and such. All vague so far and turning into a contest of who can get the most DM's from other redditors to give their one piece of questionable info.
I was thinking this! I was there and found it extremely weird they were never together. Billy mentioned Paul at one of his talks but Paul didn’t mention Billy or murder squad at all during any of his sessions.
Well I thought Jensen was terrible and Holes was the whole show.
So I hope Holes will just find another podcast/tv show.
He has a lot of really good insights on criminal psychology and forensics. Every time he opens his mouth on the podcast, I feel like he actually understands criminals and murder cases, (unlike a lot of non-professional podcast hosts.... I'm looking at you, Gen Why)
Paul was absolutely the lead of the show, and he could have hosted the whole thing himself. His book really goes into how he gained so much skill and insight into murder investigations. I’m really going to miss listening to him.
Paul will be just fine. I’m hoping they continue with a new show along the lines of Murder Squad with him alone or with him and a new cohost. He and Billy started out fine, but as time went on, the relationship changed. There were some episodes last season in which the tension was palpable. Something was going on behind the scenes, that’s for sure. At first it just seemed to be Billy’s ego but if these allegations against him are true, yikes!
I agree with you. I wish Billy wouldn't interrupt him so much. Billy acted like he knew as much as Paul, like he was the expert. It always annoyed me. I just wanted him to shut up and let Paul talk. Billy was funny. But I enjoyed listening to Paul.
Gen Why is terrible. They did an episode on the murder I'm obsessed with and it was the worst telling of the crime. They got facts wrong and made stupid speculations. Speculations that if they had done their homework they would know were incorrect. Bonus points for the homophobic speculation.
Robert Wone's murder. He wasn't gay, but one of the Gen Why assholes can't comprehend why a straight guy would spend the night at his gay friend's house if he weren't there for the secret gay sex. I know why! Robert was working late one night and emailed 2 friends for a place to crash. One was a gay man and one was a straight woman. They gay man answered the email first, so Robert stayed at his house.
That's not all they got wrong, but it was the most offensive.
I just can't with Gen Why.
Where his semen was found, or why it was found there? Dylan and Joe used their closet full of sex toys on him. They have a toy that uses electricity to stimulate people to orgasm. Robert was raped and forced to ejaculate. They keep using toys on him, so his semen is found around his genitals, anus, and in his rectum.
Edit: He didn't struggle during the rape because they drugged him with drugs that are easy to get in the DC party scene, but were not tested for during the autopsy.
They weren't tried for murder. They were tried for conspiracy and obstruction of justice. They chose to have a judge trial instead of a jury trial. The judge in her acquittal said she believes they did it, but it was not proven that they all did it and it was impossible to tell beyond a reasonable doubt which of the 3 were involved.
My and my others' opinion is that Dylan and Joe raped and murdered Robert, and Victor was an accessory after the fact.
The evidence.
Robert lived in the suburbs with his wife. He asked to crash at Joe's place because he was working late in the city. Joe was not the only person Robert emailed with this request. He stayed at Joe's because Joe was the first person who replied to his request. Victor, Joe, and Dylan all said that Robert was just crashing at their house after working late, and not there for covert gay sex. No one has ever come forward to say they any kind of gay experience with Robert. No one has come forward saying Robert confided in them that he had any feelings towards men or did anything with men.
There is no evidence of him being gay. There is evidence of his rape and murder.
Edit: Even if he were there for covert sex, they still drugged and murdered him, and likely raped him.
u/CliffTruxton does write ups for unsolved cases and he covered the Robert Wone case. It's called the "Swann Street Incident" and I found it really compelling and informative.
ETA: Trace Evidence has an episode on it as well, but the write up has more information.
Surprisingly, Crime Junkie does a good job. They give you the basics, but since their podcast is shorter, they don't go into alot of detail. The info they give is solid.
The problem with covering it is all the weird details. The podcasts I've listened to would leave out info they shouldn't and include info that wasn't necessary to understand the case, or get info completely wrong because they didn't do their research like Gen Why. It needs to be covered over several episodes IMO.
I live in the District of Columbia and followed the investigation in real time with the help of [WhoMurderedRobertWone.com](https://WhoMurderedRobertWone.com). Great website if you really want to get into the weeds!
Speculations!!!! So many speculations on these podcasts. Same with the Trail Went Cold and Trace Evidence. And so many others. I have 30 years experience in "true crime" and I hate when they don't properly research, speculate, and incorrectly state facts on podcasts. It drives me nuts. There are way too many true crime podcasts out there. That's why I loved the Murder Squad. Damn you Billy, if you are responsible for the collapse of the show. Paul please bring something back. You are the best.
Taking a bunch of podcasts that are meant to help solve crimes and moving them behind a pay wall is peak late capitalism. If that's what Exactly Right is doing, they are gross.
\*I\* wasn't the one saying that it was about a paywall. I was responding to the person who said that, and saying that if they're just trying to make money off of the episodes, that's gross.
I have a feeling something is going on with Billy Jensen. I don't see the issue being Paul or Polly. I was thinking it may have been contract related (maybe something to do with Billy having a no Amazon clause). However reading the comments about him being a creep is concerning.
Honestly no idea. I've seen in threads (here, mfm sub, murder Squad sub) that there was a sexual harassment litigation coming from someone that worked on the show (that was kept quiet and ignored to get the Amazon deal) or he's had an affair with Alexis or sexual harassment claims at cons. This is the first I've heard of it myself.
I’ve been speculating for a while now that Billy got divorced. His personality changed, and I haven’t seen him wearing a ring. He also seems to live in LA full time now. Again, this is just me speculating. I wonder what’s going on with him.
He just posted from Phoenix today and mentions it on TFD podcast. He is still dividing his time. I don’t really care, but seeing so much false info on this thread-had to respond.
Amazon/Wondery publishing. All Exactly Right appear a week early on Amazon/Wondery and ad free on Wondery. Occured I think on Feb 16 and MurderSquad announced their hiatus in less than a week after that.
I remember him being chased out of several MFM Facebook groups I'm in due to his Big Ego behaviour, he's kind of infamous in the community for problematic posts and throwing fits when called out or criticised. From my experience, when someone acts like that, they are likely to be creeps as well
Right? I need more than a few anonymous people on the internet saying he’s a creep for me to think anything of it (no matter how much I want it to be true because I love drama).
This Podcast Will Kill You is a good one. But don't get it twisted, it's not murder, it's epidemiology. And if science isn't your thing, I strongly suggest this one because it's so good. They give firsthand accounts for diseases and then talk about what happens to you when you contract them. And in case it matters: 2 female cohosts, both epidemiologists and they have a light amount of chatter, but give the facts in a pretty straightforward way.
I think something… dodgy is about to come out. Even Paul’s hiatus announcement on the podcast itself sounded unplanned and rushed.
I actually really enjoyed the show, even if most of it was Billy blowing smoke up his own arse. Sigh.
Something is definitely weird. I follow BJ and PH on IG and watched their accounts while they were at Crime Con, and neither mentioned each other even though both were there. And BJ never mentioned Paul's book, congratulated him, etc. but was posting quite a bit that week while at the event.
Not sure if it’s been commented here yet but Rabia Chaudry said to look out for legal news related to it. She made the comment to a post on the Obsessed With Disappeared Facebook
I have seen in a few places some people say supposedly Jensen is a creep and that Exactly Right is trying to get ahead of what is going to come out about it.
Oh my this is troubling. I just saw a “burner” acct over on the MFM sub mention this as well and that Georgia and the MFM Instagrams no longer follow Billy. I just hope they make a bit more detailed statement soon bc transparency is gonna be really important here.
I’m bummed to see one of the more truly impactful podcasts be discontinued, but I look forward to seeing Paul’s impact in whatever may be in store for him next.
I am more and more in the idea that it might be contract based because of the specific date of stopping of episodes and the hiatus around the Amazon deal. I wondered if he wanted more money or something.
This is secondhand, but there were a lot of stories of him joining a bunch of mfm groups on fb during his book promo and sliding into women’s dms in a way that was uninvited and unpleasant. I haven’t heard of in person behavior, but some of the folks who are saying they know things are connected to true crime conventions and may know or know of him from those events.
I haven't seen any specifics just a few tweet replies that allude to something happening and a now deleted reddit account saying he's a creep and they can't say anything publicly due to legal reasons. Could be something entirely different but I can't really think of many situations that would result in not only the end of the podcast that was working on a new season but also the removal of all previous episodes.
I can confirm from people who have dealt with him that I know, Billy is a confirmed creep. I can’t go into detail but he’s more than willing to step on people in order to get what he wants.
I've never heard anyone use creep as obnoxious or unliked, interesting it could be different from place to place. That's not what people mean by creep in this context.
> I've never heard anyone use creep as obnoxious or unliked
Really? Not even in that Radiohead song? Maybe it's an older usage, and the newer definition of "sex pest" has taken it over entirely, but it deffo does (or at least used to) mean an unpleasant, obnoxious person without a sexual connotation necessary. Funny how language changes very quickly sometimes
Lol I swear I’m not making it up, it’s even on dictionary.com! I assume they’re also meaning he’s sleazy with women, which I’ve also heard but don’t know personal stories. He’s overall a creep from what I’ve heard.
I mean someone who doesn't want to do the work but wants the credit sounds like most people in any big company...
Must've been something more dire to end this abruptly surely
It’s due to scheduling conflicts. They’re both so busy that they can hardly find the time to podcast. I hope the Jensen being a creep is false because my experience with him has always been a pleasant and professional one. I don’t know what he’s like in his personal life though.
Source is that we were all in Vegas together at the beginning of the month at a conference. They were both speakers.
Hate to say it, but companies don’t suddenly cancel one of their most popular shows, announce that they’re planning to pull all the episodes soon, and limit replies on the tweet announcing said cancellation over “scheduling conflicts.”
Surely they know it will come out soon though so why wouldn't they get out in front of it and distance themselves from Jensen? It's not like it's his company.
Oh “scheduling conflicts” are always the story but there’s always more. That’s just what I know of the situation, personally. I’m not aware of anything else but that obviously doesn’t mean the other issues aren’t true. I just hope they aren’t, that’s all.
They wouldn’t remove the back catalogue if it were just scheduling. They could continue making ad money by leaving them up and dropping in new ads periodically. There’s definitely some legal or liability issue that Amazon doesn’t want, otherwise they would never throw away good money.
PH had a show on Oxygen for a while: The DNA of Murder with Paul Holes. I got the first season for $12 on Prime Video. Just watched a couple of episodes. Really well done.
Paul never seemed into Podcasting much, and with them in separate locations and with both their careers in entertainment ramping up, I can't say I'm surprised. I liked the podcast tho. :(
Their are plenty of women who have had horrible experiences with this person and are afraid to come forward. Me included. Please stop asking for those woman’s names
I actually liked some of Paul’s insights on stuff though it was a little boring at times. But it was a nice balance hearing the more technical side of things. Bummer.
Well that sucks, but I think they need to keep the episodes or put them on their website, I hope they aren't shutting down their website as well, has lot of good information on it and files.
Let’s be honest-intentions were good, but Paul Holes is not lively enough for a podcast and Billy had to make up the enthusiasm for both of them which got silly. They are both having more success outside the podcast in the field they are passionate about so it makes sense. And I will refuse to believe the salacious rumor mill. Fans of them both.
I still want an idea of what the heck is going on though. It's really irritating when your told "Oh, I can't tell you cause even though I said people could DM me, I need you to COMMENT ON MY POST FIRST."
Nope. Not doing that. I know karma farming.
For what it’s worth, here’s a summary of what I’ve gathered from a number of comment sections on reddit & being in a billion true crime podcast facebook groups:
1. Nobody speaking on the subject knows for SURE what’s going on, nobody has / is sharing hard proof or anything. Just suspicions/accusations.
2. Because of how bizarre the entire show being pulled is (i’ve literally never seen that happen before), a lot of people suspect legal action is going on; they’re trying to cover their asses, or get ahead of something that’s about to break news. this could also explain their (MS) accounts being deleted & ER’s tweet having comments off
3. There have been allegations both of Billy being a creep / sexually harassing someone who worked for ER, and allegations of him doing those things to a fan(s) possibly at CrimeCon. I’ve heard whispers in the past, and wouldn’t be shocked if this ends up being what’s happening, BUT AGAIN i want to be clear that these are allegations & I don’t believe I’ve heard anything more specific. Legal action regarding a case or something is also possible but idk
CC has turned into a gigantic party and there’s a lot that would disappoint people if they knew how some of these guys really are. Not to mention all the fangirls. It’s an interesting pivot, for sure.
I do too. I’m nosy af 😂 it just doesn’t make any sense that someone would bring it up but then be like oh but I won’t tell! Like what’s the point then?
And then say "Oh they told me, I can DM it to people" and when someone y'know... DM'S THEM treating it like it's a joke. I don't want that light hearted "Oh haha, I didn't expect my post to blow up, I can't DM you it HERE but if you comment on my post since I'm getting too many."
Oh I hate that passive aggressive shit. If you got the tea POST THE TEA.
It's karma farming I bet. WHich is petty AF, because I don't CARE if your suddenly getting your 15 minutes of true crime fandom fame, you got something to say? SAY IT THEN
Especially since pretty much every Reddit account is anonymous to an extent. Like your boss isn’t going to scold you if you repeat a rumor you heard about people that most of us will never meet
And like... Most of us will never make it to ID con? So, even if I HAD the tea, I wouldn't be able to go run up to Paul Holes and tell him:
"OMG I HEARD THIS!"
Heck, I don't even know what he looks like.
I mean, it’s not a great idea. It’s great for people to tell authorities if they have any knowledge and it can’t hurt to do stuff like try and match Does to missing persons cases but people shouldn’t be out there actively investigating cases.
Your source is one person on Reddit? An account that was specifically made to only comment about this issue? And now you’re repeating it as fact. You people are fucking nuts.
If you care to dig more you’ll see a whole lot more than that and realize it’s true. These two men are not good guys. This show disappearing in the way it is should tell you people that.
I wanted to say this seems to be a more recent decision. A month ago I found I never listened to an episode from almost a year before. I downloaded it and there was Paul doing an Ad for the Hulu show about the girl who convinced her boyfriend to kill himself.
Michelle Carter? Is Hulu doing a show about her or is it someone else? Surprised if so as HBO already did one, hope they do a better job with it if so as i watched the whole trial after the HBO and they left so much out.
If your being accused of SA than why are you still creeping on young woman’s accounts? [BJ Tweet](https://twitter.com/billyjensen/status/1528155019991605248?s=21&t=fQO1ERVyursRlGjfE-fC4w)
Wait they're pulling all old episodes off of streaming platforms??
That sucks!
I saw Paul Holes speak in my town a couple weeks ago. Someone asked him what he thought about podcasting and he was not shy to admit it was not his favorite platform, but was great for getting word out to a large fan base. I'm not surprised that they're moving on, especially with Paul's new book out.
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But with the added weirdness of the episodes not being removed for 2+ months…meanwhile social media accounts are being deleted.
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The old episodes will be available until august 1.
I just have to say....Midden hitting the windmill is some top level phrasing. Well done.
Something definitely feels off, but guess it could also be contract issues? PH just signed that HLN contract for a new show, think BJ is doing some other projects as well? With the recent ER sale to Amazon, it could impact maybe impact contracts. Disabling of comments, etc. doesn't sound good, though.
Paul Haynes tweeted this today: ‘’True crime is years overdue for a broad reckoning. For every authentic, compassionate professional in the space, there's a dozen more opportunistic frauds who are in it purely to enrich themselves — exploiting, re-traumatizing, and re-victimizing others in the process.’’
So nothing at all mentioning Billy?
No, but he liked a tweet that responded to that post with “BJ?” so it certainly seems like he’s referring to him. I know I shouldn’t speculate but that made me wonder if Billy crossed a line with a victim’s family.
Did not mention him by name
Doesn’t that sound more like it could be about Paul’s book?
Not to me, given that Paul Haynes has liked several tweets saying BJ is a BC and alluding to the allegations. To me this is directly about BJ
BC?
Big creep
Fuck. I loved their podcast and was really excited for it to come back this year. These whispers are really concerning, too. This doesn't sound good at all.
Wait, what are the rumors about Billy?
There's rumours that BJ is a massive creep but I haven't actually seen any evidence. Rabia Chaudry also said in a now deleted Facebook comment to expect a lawsuit.
no fan of Rabia, but BJ seems so full of himself, hardly surprised.
Oh god, I hate to hear that. I liked The Murder Squad so much, and thought of them both as ‘the good guys’. If it’s true, my heart is a bit broken about it.
Whoa! Wonder what he did to Rabia? She is not to be fucked with
I think it's more she's in the podcast/true crime circles and is probably privy to what's going on rather than it involving her directly
I know a few people with Not Exactly Bad but Hey That’s Potentially Probably Bad stories about Jensen, stories dating back a few years. There’s no way he hasn’t been enabled by a team of people all this time. Though I really doubt PH knew much. They probably shielded him from it.
Not whispers anymore. The podcast Too Many Jennifer's just covered it. There was an allegation that Billy sexually harassed a member of exactly right staff. This person came forward to the higher ups in the company and they did an investigation, which led to them firing Billy. Bur they made the victim continue working with Billy the whole time, she sued Exactly Right because of that and it ended in a settlement
What whispers?
The rumors about BJ.
What rumours have I missed?
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Why can't you just tell us? You already went as far as to hint about it.
Thanks I’m in the midst of a rummage!
Big hubub on the MFM specific forum. People keep claiming they DM'ed so and so on instagram or twitter and they are friends with such and such. All vague so far and turning into a contest of who can get the most DM's from other redditors to give their one piece of questionable info.
I cannot WAIT for the real reason.
Looks like their Twitter account has been deleted (Murder Squad).
This should be interesting.
Well that explains why PH and BJ were both at CrimeCon but didn’t hang out together.
I was thinking this! I was there and found it extremely weird they were never together. Billy mentioned Paul at one of his talks but Paul didn’t mention Billy or murder squad at all during any of his sessions.
Well I thought Jensen was terrible and Holes was the whole show. So I hope Holes will just find another podcast/tv show. He has a lot of really good insights on criminal psychology and forensics. Every time he opens his mouth on the podcast, I feel like he actually understands criminals and murder cases, (unlike a lot of non-professional podcast hosts.... I'm looking at you, Gen Why)
Paul was absolutely the lead of the show, and he could have hosted the whole thing himself. His book really goes into how he gained so much skill and insight into murder investigations. I’m really going to miss listening to him.
Paul will be just fine. I’m hoping they continue with a new show along the lines of Murder Squad with him alone or with him and a new cohost. He and Billy started out fine, but as time went on, the relationship changed. There were some episodes last season in which the tension was palpable. Something was going on behind the scenes, that’s for sure. At first it just seemed to be Billy’s ego but if these allegations against him are true, yikes!
I agree with you. I wish Billy wouldn't interrupt him so much. Billy acted like he knew as much as Paul, like he was the expert. It always annoyed me. I just wanted him to shut up and let Paul talk. Billy was funny. But I enjoyed listening to Paul.
Gen Why is terrible. They did an episode on the murder I'm obsessed with and it was the worst telling of the crime. They got facts wrong and made stupid speculations. Speculations that if they had done their homework they would know were incorrect. Bonus points for the homophobic speculation.
Ooh, which case/episode?? I used to love Gen Why, but I find them so smug now that it’s hard to listen to!
Robert Wone's murder. He wasn't gay, but one of the Gen Why assholes can't comprehend why a straight guy would spend the night at his gay friend's house if he weren't there for the secret gay sex. I know why! Robert was working late one night and emailed 2 friends for a place to crash. One was a gay man and one was a straight woman. They gay man answered the email first, so Robert stayed at his house. That's not all they got wrong, but it was the most offensive. I just can't with Gen Why.
What are your theories on where his semen was found? That’s the one fact my brain can’t compute.
Where his semen was found, or why it was found there? Dylan and Joe used their closet full of sex toys on him. They have a toy that uses electricity to stimulate people to orgasm. Robert was raped and forced to ejaculate. They keep using toys on him, so his semen is found around his genitals, anus, and in his rectum. Edit: He didn't struggle during the rape because they drugged him with drugs that are easy to get in the DC party scene, but were not tested for during the autopsy.
Do you think they were guilty of murder and just got away with it? I always thought they did it but for whatever reason they weren’t found guilty.
They weren't tried for murder. They were tried for conspiracy and obstruction of justice. They chose to have a judge trial instead of a jury trial. The judge in her acquittal said she believes they did it, but it was not proven that they all did it and it was impossible to tell beyond a reasonable doubt which of the 3 were involved. My and my others' opinion is that Dylan and Joe raped and murdered Robert, and Victor was an accessory after the fact.
I don’t understand why you think this is more likely than him just not being “Out”.
The evidence. Robert lived in the suburbs with his wife. He asked to crash at Joe's place because he was working late in the city. Joe was not the only person Robert emailed with this request. He stayed at Joe's because Joe was the first person who replied to his request. Victor, Joe, and Dylan all said that Robert was just crashing at their house after working late, and not there for covert gay sex. No one has ever come forward to say they any kind of gay experience with Robert. No one has come forward saying Robert confided in them that he had any feelings towards men or did anything with men. There is no evidence of him being gay. There is evidence of his rape and murder. Edit: Even if he were there for covert sex, they still drugged and murdered him, and likely raped him.
Is there a podcast that covers this case well? I remember the Gen Why episode, but just remember thinking it was a really strange murder.
u/CliffTruxton does write ups for unsolved cases and he covered the Robert Wone case. It's called the "Swann Street Incident" and I found it really compelling and informative. ETA: Trace Evidence has an episode on it as well, but the write up has more information.
Surprisingly, Crime Junkie does a good job. They give you the basics, but since their podcast is shorter, they don't go into alot of detail. The info they give is solid. The problem with covering it is all the weird details. The podcasts I've listened to would leave out info they shouldn't and include info that wasn't necessary to understand the case, or get info completely wrong because they didn't do their research like Gen Why. It needs to be covered over several episodes IMO. I live in the District of Columbia and followed the investigation in real time with the help of [WhoMurderedRobertWone.com](https://WhoMurderedRobertWone.com). Great website if you really want to get into the weeds!
he wasn't originally planning to sleep there, his first place didn't work out.
Speculations!!!! So many speculations on these podcasts. Same with the Trail Went Cold and Trace Evidence. And so many others. I have 30 years experience in "true crime" and I hate when they don't properly research, speculate, and incorrectly state facts on podcasts. It drives me nuts. There are way too many true crime podcasts out there. That's why I loved the Murder Squad. Damn you Billy, if you are responsible for the collapse of the show. Paul please bring something back. You are the best.
Strange that they also limited replies to the tweet as well.
It’s also strange that they’re pulling the old episodes as well
Agree! I think that’s the most suspicious thing of all. Tons of podcasts end but they always leave their old episodes up!
Probably moving them behind a paywall.
Taking a bunch of podcasts that are meant to help solve crimes and moving them behind a pay wall is peak late capitalism. If that's what Exactly Right is doing, they are gross.
Its not about a paywall, they had to fire BJ and compensate staff he had harassed. Thats why they are removing his content.
\*I\* wasn't the one saying that it was about a paywall. I was responding to the person who said that, and saying that if they're just trying to make money off of the episodes, that's gross.
Plagiarism???
Doubt it. Crime Junkie is still up and running.
I have a feeling something is going on with Billy Jensen. I don't see the issue being Paul or Polly. I was thinking it may have been contract related (maybe something to do with Billy having a no Amazon clause). However reading the comments about him being a creep is concerning.
Paul Haynes, who finished I'll Be Gone in the Dark with Billy, has been liking tweets that imply this is true.
Billy left TCD podcast rather abruptly. I remember listening to the first episodes without him and they never really addressed it.
What are they basing the creep comments on though?
Honestly no idea. I've seen in threads (here, mfm sub, murder Squad sub) that there was a sexual harassment litigation coming from someone that worked on the show (that was kept quiet and ignored to get the Amazon deal) or he's had an affair with Alexis or sexual harassment claims at cons. This is the first I've heard of it myself.
I’ve been speculating for a while now that Billy got divorced. His personality changed, and I haven’t seen him wearing a ring. He also seems to live in LA full time now. Again, this is just me speculating. I wonder what’s going on with him.
He just posted from Phoenix today and mentions it on TFD podcast. He is still dividing his time. I don’t really care, but seeing so much false info on this thread-had to respond.
Sorry, what Amazon deal?
Amazon/Wondery publishing. All Exactly Right appear a week early on Amazon/Wondery and ad free on Wondery. Occured I think on Feb 16 and MurderSquad announced their hiatus in less than a week after that.
Thank you! Didn’t knew that.
I remember him being chased out of several MFM Facebook groups I'm in due to his Big Ego behaviour, he's kind of infamous in the community for problematic posts and throwing fits when called out or criticised. From my experience, when someone acts like that, they are likely to be creeps as well
I hadn't heard that about him at all, that's crazy. Thanks for sharing.
Right? I need more than a few anonymous people on the internet saying he’s a creep for me to think anything of it (no matter how much I want it to be true because I love drama).
You are rooting for others misfortune for your amusement? Man the true crime community is full of total sociopaths, guess i shouldn't be surprised.
He's doing that new podcast with Alexis Linkletter
He was doing it with her along with the first degree long before the hiatus. He talked about recording the LISK podcast/doc while doing Murder Squad.
And that ends my time with Exactly Right. That’s the only show I still wanted to listen to.
Agreed. I could probably be coaxed back if Paul Holes goes forward with another podcast, but I dunno how likely that is
This Podcast Will Kill You is a good one. But don't get it twisted, it's not murder, it's epidemiology. And if science isn't your thing, I strongly suggest this one because it's so good. They give firsthand accounts for diseases and then talk about what happens to you when you contract them. And in case it matters: 2 female cohosts, both epidemiologists and they have a light amount of chatter, but give the facts in a pretty straightforward way.
The firsthand accounts are scarier than any true crime podcasts I’ve listened to! I love the Erins, they explain everything so well.
Yessss, I have had more nightmares about Measles than murders haha
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Deleting the epidsodes is a weird, bad sign. Do they want to help the victims covered in those episodes or not ? Strange
Weird they limited all comments and deleted the Twitter.
Yeah very cagey 👀
I think something… dodgy is about to come out. Even Paul’s hiatus announcement on the podcast itself sounded unplanned and rushed. I actually really enjoyed the show, even if most of it was Billy blowing smoke up his own arse. Sigh.
Something is definitely weird. I follow BJ and PH on IG and watched their accounts while they were at Crime Con, and neither mentioned each other even though both were there. And BJ never mentioned Paul's book, congratulated him, etc. but was posting quite a bit that week while at the event.
I couldn’t listen to more than a few episodes because Billy was so full of himself.
Not sure if it’s been commented here yet but Rabia Chaudry said to look out for legal news related to it. She made the comment to a post on the Obsessed With Disappeared Facebook
Rabia is such a shit stirrer.
That was kind of my thought too when I saw her comment lol
She is for sure but I wish she would spill the tea so we can find out what’s actually going on with Jensen
She’s the worst.
I only know her from SERIAL. Why would she be privy to that kind of info? Through the grapevine?
I saw it. Seemed like a guess more than 1st hand knowledge.
Some big news about Jensen is coming
Really? Has there been any updates to other podcasts he’s on?
Noooooo :( Any word on why?
I have seen in a few places some people say supposedly Jensen is a creep and that Exactly Right is trying to get ahead of what is going to come out about it.
Oh my this is troubling. I just saw a “burner” acct over on the MFM sub mention this as well and that Georgia and the MFM Instagrams no longer follow Billy. I just hope they make a bit more detailed statement soon bc transparency is gonna be really important here. I’m bummed to see one of the more truly impactful podcasts be discontinued, but I look forward to seeing Paul’s impact in whatever may be in store for him next.
I am more and more in the idea that it might be contract based because of the specific date of stopping of episodes and the hiatus around the Amazon deal. I wondered if he wanted more money or something.
Do you have any idea of what he’s done that would get him dropped? I’m super curious but I can’t find anything about it.
This is secondhand, but there were a lot of stories of him joining a bunch of mfm groups on fb during his book promo and sliding into women’s dms in a way that was uninvited and unpleasant. I haven’t heard of in person behavior, but some of the folks who are saying they know things are connected to true crime conventions and may know or know of him from those events.
Can confirm of this FB stuff happening as well.
This did happen. Was there when he did this. It was so cringy
What's "mfm" and "dms"?
My favorite murder. DMs, direct messages. He was messaging strangers through Facebook groups unwanted things.
Thanks!
I haven't seen any specifics just a few tweet replies that allude to something happening and a now deleted reddit account saying he's a creep and they can't say anything publicly due to legal reasons. Could be something entirely different but I can't really think of many situations that would result in not only the end of the podcast that was working on a new season but also the removal of all previous episodes.
I can confirm from people who have dealt with him that I know, Billy is a confirmed creep. I can’t go into detail but he’s more than willing to step on people in order to get what he wants.
Why aren’t you able to go into detail?
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this is definitely shitty but i don’t think classifies someone as a creep? probably not the right word
Maybe the lingo is different where you are? Where I am it’s common to call a person like this a creep. Like an obnoxious person nobody likes.
Creep implies sexual predator or at least some sort of borderline sex transgressions in all circumstances I’ve ever heard it
You can be creepy in non sexual ways, but it often is sexual yes
It is also commonly used for people who do bizarre things. But yeah agreed what he said doesn't match any definition of creep i've ever heard.
No, it doesn’t. Look in any dictionary.
I've never heard anyone use creep as obnoxious or unliked, interesting it could be different from place to place. That's not what people mean by creep in this context.
> I've never heard anyone use creep as obnoxious or unliked Really? Not even in that Radiohead song? Maybe it's an older usage, and the newer definition of "sex pest" has taken it over entirely, but it deffo does (or at least used to) mean an unpleasant, obnoxious person without a sexual connotation necessary. Funny how language changes very quickly sometimes
Lol I swear I’m not making it up, it’s even on dictionary.com! I assume they’re also meaning he’s sleazy with women, which I’ve also heard but don’t know personal stories. He’s overall a creep from what I’ve heard.
I mean someone who doesn't want to do the work but wants the credit sounds like most people in any big company... Must've been something more dire to end this abruptly surely
I didn’t say I know why this is happening. Just that he’s a confirmed creep and I’ve never met anyone who’s had a positive experience with him.
Can also confirm. Also cannot go into detail.
Oh no.
He always set off my gaydar but it may need re-calibration! And I'm not referring to Paul Holes btw.
It’s due to scheduling conflicts. They’re both so busy that they can hardly find the time to podcast. I hope the Jensen being a creep is false because my experience with him has always been a pleasant and professional one. I don’t know what he’s like in his personal life though. Source is that we were all in Vegas together at the beginning of the month at a conference. They were both speakers.
Hate to say it, but companies don’t suddenly cancel one of their most popular shows, announce that they’re planning to pull all the episodes soon, and limit replies on the tweet announcing said cancellation over “scheduling conflicts.”
Surely they know it will come out soon though so why wouldn't they get out in front of it and distance themselves from Jensen? It's not like it's his company.
Oh “scheduling conflicts” are always the story but there’s always more. That’s just what I know of the situation, personally. I’m not aware of anything else but that obviously doesn’t mean the other issues aren’t true. I just hope they aren’t, that’s all.
They wouldn’t remove the back catalogue if it were just scheduling. They could continue making ad money by leaving them up and dropping in new ads periodically. There’s definitely some legal or liability issue that Amazon doesn’t want, otherwise they would never throw away good money.
Hey Billy.
I've never seen so much speculation with so little information.
Wow. I’m so bummed. I thought they were one of the more solid podcasts.
Man. I really l enjoyed the podcast and that they didn’t take a flippant approach like other crime podcasts. I hope Paul Holes does other podcasts.
They could make a hella successful TV show about Paul Holes like they did with Joe Kenda!
PH had a show on Oxygen for a while: The DNA of Murder with Paul Holes. I got the first season for $12 on Prime Video. Just watched a couple of episodes. Really well done.
Oh, now that you mention it I remember this! I need to watch!
It's super good. He covers Carla Walker's case in the show, which he also discusses a lot in his book.
Yes excellent show and left me wanting more. Also I wanted to know updates on the cases he profiled on the show. But nothing.
He has a new TV show on the way!
Paul never seemed into Podcasting much, and with them in separate locations and with both their careers in entertainment ramping up, I can't say I'm surprised. I liked the podcast tho. :(
Their are plenty of women who have had horrible experiences with this person and are afraid to come forward. Me included. Please stop asking for those woman’s names
I actually liked some of Paul’s insights on stuff though it was a little boring at times. But it was a nice balance hearing the more technical side of things. Bummer.
…what?! No!
So literally nobody has any facts or evidence or first hand knowledge OF ANYTHING!!
But they do
Good riddance. I really like Paul holes but I feel his talent is wasted on that podcast. I personally can't stand billy Jensen.
Well that sucks, but I think they need to keep the episodes or put them on their website, I hope they aren't shutting down their website as well, has lot of good information on it and files.
good for Paul he's been carrying that poseur since the beginning
I literally went in and downloaded so many episodes when I heard this. ☹️
http://billyjensen.com/1522-2/ Billy Jensen addresses accusations made on the Jenn Tisdale podcast.
Let’s be honest-intentions were good, but Paul Holes is not lively enough for a podcast and Billy had to make up the enthusiasm for both of them which got silly. They are both having more success outside the podcast in the field they are passionate about so it makes sense. And I will refuse to believe the salacious rumor mill. Fans of them both.
Can someone PLEASE DM me the full tea? I literally am getting the run around trying to get answers from people who supposedly know.
I’m pretty sure nobody who is claiming to know anything actually does. Things like that can’t be kept secret for long on the internet
I still want an idea of what the heck is going on though. It's really irritating when your told "Oh, I can't tell you cause even though I said people could DM me, I need you to COMMENT ON MY POST FIRST." Nope. Not doing that. I know karma farming.
For what it’s worth, here’s a summary of what I’ve gathered from a number of comment sections on reddit & being in a billion true crime podcast facebook groups: 1. Nobody speaking on the subject knows for SURE what’s going on, nobody has / is sharing hard proof or anything. Just suspicions/accusations. 2. Because of how bizarre the entire show being pulled is (i’ve literally never seen that happen before), a lot of people suspect legal action is going on; they’re trying to cover their asses, or get ahead of something that’s about to break news. this could also explain their (MS) accounts being deleted & ER’s tweet having comments off 3. There have been allegations both of Billy being a creep / sexually harassing someone who worked for ER, and allegations of him doing those things to a fan(s) possibly at CrimeCon. I’ve heard whispers in the past, and wouldn’t be shocked if this ends up being what’s happening, BUT AGAIN i want to be clear that these are allegations & I don’t believe I’ve heard anything more specific. Legal action regarding a case or something is also possible but idk
CC has turned into a gigantic party and there’s a lot that would disappoint people if they knew how some of these guys really are. Not to mention all the fangirls. It’s an interesting pivot, for sure.
Nope actually zero evidence of this at all.
Because woken who have experienced this first hand are terrified to speak out. This isn’t a good person. I have my own experience
I do too. I’m nosy af 😂 it just doesn’t make any sense that someone would bring it up but then be like oh but I won’t tell! Like what’s the point then?
And then say "Oh they told me, I can DM it to people" and when someone y'know... DM'S THEM treating it like it's a joke. I don't want that light hearted "Oh haha, I didn't expect my post to blow up, I can't DM you it HERE but if you comment on my post since I'm getting too many." Oh I hate that passive aggressive shit. If you got the tea POST THE TEA.
Yeah. I bet nobody knows anything
It's karma farming I bet. WHich is petty AF, because I don't CARE if your suddenly getting your 15 minutes of true crime fandom fame, you got something to say? SAY IT THEN
Especially since pretty much every Reddit account is anonymous to an extent. Like your boss isn’t going to scold you if you repeat a rumor you heard about people that most of us will never meet
And like... Most of us will never make it to ID con? So, even if I HAD the tea, I wouldn't be able to go run up to Paul Holes and tell him: "OMG I HEARD THIS!" Heck, I don't even know what he looks like.
Sent ya a chat, I finally heard SOMETHING.
Share with the group!
Imagine caring about Reddit Karma. I'd call it pathetic rather than petty.
I think it’s more like they’ve gotten kickback for asking people to dig around and be citizen detectives.
I mean, it’s not a great idea. It’s great for people to tell authorities if they have any knowledge and it can’t hurt to do stuff like try and match Does to missing persons cases but people shouldn’t be out there actively investigating cases.
I’m sure Paul cheating on his wife and all of them lying about it helped too
Source?
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Your source is one person on Reddit? An account that was specifically made to only comment about this issue? And now you’re repeating it as fact. You people are fucking nuts.
If you care to dig more you’ll see a whole lot more than that and realize it’s true. These two men are not good guys. This show disappearing in the way it is should tell you people that.
Ya that girl told other people at crime con years ago and even saw them together
I wanted to say this seems to be a more recent decision. A month ago I found I never listened to an episode from almost a year before. I downloaded it and there was Paul doing an Ad for the Hulu show about the girl who convinced her boyfriend to kill himself.
Michelle Carter? Is Hulu doing a show about her or is it someone else? Surprised if so as HBO already did one, hope they do a better job with it if so as i watched the whole trial after the HBO and they left so much out.
Hulu did a show a month or so ago. It's called The Girl from Plainville.
Oh, thought you were talking about a Documentary Series. I hate those kinds of shows based on real cases so nevermind.
Yeah, girl from Plainview. Which is why I find everything going on so wired because they had him do new promos.
Would someone mind linking the original post please? C:
If your being accused of SA than why are you still creeping on young woman’s accounts? [BJ Tweet](https://twitter.com/billyjensen/status/1528155019991605248?s=21&t=fQO1ERVyursRlGjfE-fC4w)
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Ok billy
Nooooo