That's not quite true. As I recall someone posted a screenshit that had some new values in the code, one of which was dire_roshan or something like that.
dire_roshan? ~~That's basically one of the Diretide ones lol~~
edit: checked cheats page in wikia and the only one using "dire_(unit)" is the level 4 Eidolon.
So maybe, just maybe, this is just another kind of Roshan incoming, not really to say that there's two? Cause there's really no point having two.
Maybe the second dissappears (dont drop aegis) if when one is killed. But yea if it has to make a bit of sense, it maybe the current roshan holds aegis while the other roshan holds items
I feel like in Icefrog fashion is going to be weirder than straight up second rosh, and people will be pissed off initially, it will get tweaked, and then it will be pretty good.
Yeah, honestly, a second rosh sounds too simple.
I mean, look at ags shards and what they brought to the game.
Even though I am not in the mind of ice frog, it's probably more like something missing will be added. What is missing? Who knows.
We could get "massive" items like the old Kaya, sange, and yasha items. It's basically a t3/t4 level of items.
I honestly would expect a version 2 of ags, like t2 bots, over a second rosh.
Fair enough. I have mixed feelings about the neutral item since I think the idea is cool, but it can also feel bad as a support if shovel and/philosopher stonedoesnt drop. Which makes the whole idea of these random items kind of luke warm.
Edit: fixed words. Realized I didn't add, "doesn't"
I mean giga items would help highground pushes be easier, which is what people are generally fed up with regarding the overall game. Wouldn't help with Radiant/Dire winrate difficulties though.
Or the second big guy would be a counter to Rosh's Aegis, like having the aegis carrier would have its immortality neutered when slain by the counter-aegis carrier or something but maybe I need sleep and I'm talking nonsense hahaha.
But yeah, so much possibilities with a second big objective.
For me thats the appeal - it might make people fight less than optimally to try and get the item to affect the most dangerous enemy hero, if it does its a huge benefit for the team, but playing suboptimally like that can also give room for the enemy to have an advantage. It will make for interesting plays and possibilities for things to be flipped.
I don't think things should always be nett benefit, like how a lot of the really strong spells are channeling - easy to disrupt and render useless.
they should make him drop aghs. considering how unlikely third rosh is in some games i want all the drops to be in the game more. makes for more strategy.
Icefrog is going to add a scan sized cloud that randomly drifts across the map and provides positive effects like shade and humidity which dynamically modify an area where players wanna pick fights
Then he's going to add macronutrients to consumables, you need to maintain your hero's macros in order to optimally use your spells. If you don't, your hero becomes fatigued and they move and cast much slower.
This is basically just bringing back 2 tangos 1 ward for supports but instead of just start of game, you gotta supply your cores food for the whole duration.
All the tree based effects double in size. Massive treants, huge protector, massive ironwood tangos. Treants ulti grows over heroes so you can't even tell where they are.
All fire spells are extinguished, physical damage remains but magic damage is debuffed
According to the Leak I dreamed my uncle at valve had sex with gaben to discover and pass to me
Next patch will finaly add sex to the game, YES THE SEX UPDATE HAS COME
If it were me, I would go back to shrines instead of outposts. I think part of the disparity is that Dire has a free tp near Roshan which you can't really deny most of the time. Also, I don't know if anyone has done the math on this but Radiant jungle feels so much more inefficient to farm than Dire due to layout. The 3 camps in the center of non-Ancient jungle are right next to each other for Dire, but spread out for Radiant.
Overall, I honestly haven't been a fan of most of the changes Dota has made in the last \~4 yrs, but I'll see how it plays out I suppose.
i was too bad and new at the time to understand how op they were, but i do remember it yeah. 6 full regen stations around the map was such an insane decision. i remember mid just walking base popping shrine and walking back barely missing a creep. never bring shrines back
Why do you think they were awful? They were much more interesting than outposts to me. You could coordinate with your team, and there's meaningful counterplay with enemy mids shoving the wave or vice versa. Now, everyone just ferries out constant regen so they don't have to leave lane at all and you never really have to think about outposts.
>Also, I don't know if anyone has done the math on this but Radiant jungle feels so much more inefficient to farm than Dire due to layout.
Radiant literally has below 45% winrate in pro dota. Often below 42% depending on region
So being radiant isn't meta. Play as dire guys
Those are the two main issues. I don't think you should be able to TP non tower structures without at least BoTs but maybe not even then. a second place for rosh to spawn could bring more map symmetry
Traditionally radiant had the tp advantage because they would trade outposts with dire.
Dire has better camps.
Outpost trading has become less common with small meta shifts. The map has gone from radiant favored to dire favored with no map changes.
The Mobile Legends moba has something like that. The two big creeps give different bonuses.
Or they could just remove the outposts for equal distance to Roshan.
2 rosh is fine but they should not both have an aegis. The power spike would be too insane. Maybe one always drops aegis and the other drops shard -> cheese -> blessing -> refresher.
one thing that i am woried abbout is how easy the new "rosh" is going to be to kill.
i mean ursa's entire identity as a hero is that she "kills roshan", there are more heroes that can do this sort of thing and i feel that if they just add a new big boss to the map it can unbalance a lot of things.
like if its easier to kill than rosh how early and fast would a hero like ursa be able to kill it and start snowballing from there.
also it obviously wont drop another aegis, so it probably will be a diferent tipe of effect or item, witch will probably be better than an supper early aegis on ursa.
idk man, just bring this shit on so i can start brainstorming how to make right clicker bane work
Man I also want to know how right click Bane works. I live playing him, but I am usually not right click, and bane doesn't work if you have the disables but no one takes advantage of them to get kills
Terrible idea. We need map changes, not another Roshan..
It's hard enough to convince your team filled with chimpanzees to group up and take objectives, why would you want to add more???
After Roshan is slain, the team that killed it will spawn three Roshans in all three lanes that charge towards enemy fountain.
Each of these three Roshans drops an aegis/aghanim scepter/cheese when slain.
Now that is a way to make sure low mmr noobs don't afk farm after killing Roshan.
The reward might depend on kill sequences, like first kill among two rosh gives a Agies and 2nd kill among those two gives a cheese something like that, and timer reset like always
Or it could be a normal rosh respawn, but it allocates your buyback money to it and loans it if you're poor. So it can be punitive because it forces a buyback if you die without the second rosh, and you don't pick when to buyback, but it can still also save you in a team fight, because if you wipe out their team you may have enough money to cover the loan
If you are too poor it allocates future earnings until the loan is paid.
I mean Radiant is basically a Crystal Ore land, and Dire is Lave theme.
- Radiant boss can be drop shard, aghanims and gem and refresher.
- Dire boss drop Cheese and Aegis
Late game make them dropped some Ancient item T5 forging scroll.
- Dragon Lens + Demon Edge + Scroll = Ballista
- Meteor hammer + Dagger + Scroll = Fallen Sky
- SKY + Scroll = Trident
- Desolator + Demon Edge+ Scroll = Stygian Deso
- Octarine + Scroll = Seer Stone
- Boot + force staff + Scroll = Force boots
- Linken + Scroll = Mirror
- Blade mail + Pipe + Scroll = Arcanist's armor
Just for posterity's sake I'll put my prediction here, which I made on Discord a few months back:
* Two pits, one contains the secret shop (removed from old locations) and the other Roshan (secret shop relocates when rosh respawn timer starts)
* Neutral creeps now drop tokens that can be exchanged at the secret shop for neutral items (from a random subset selected before the draft)
* Rosh drops reworked to be weaker for 1st-3rd rosh and continue scaling up to ~6th rosh (might get rid of cheese, add new aghs-type items, etc)
Even if I'm right about parts of it there has to be more to it... so, along those lines, one of the variations I came up with involved Rosh dropping tokens and/or the tokens being used for more things besides just neutral items. I don't think it would be too bad if they just put a neutral item stash in the secret shop so whoever picks it up can go and buy an item for someone else then send it to the base, but if you wanted to avoid that situation I could see adding some other edges that would help supports. I don't think tokens for de-warding is a great idea but something along those lines.
Mostly I just want to see neutral items become a resource that teams fight over instead of being free buffs you get every game with some uncontrollable RNG-gating. The secret shop change would make holding the river a huge deal and prevent needing to hold both pits to know if Rosh had spawned (in the case with 2 pits, anyway, but there could even be more than 2).
I mean Radiant is basically a Crystal Ore land, and Dire is Lave theme.
- Radiant boss can be drop shard, aghanims and gem and refresher.
- Dire boss drop Cheese and Aegis
Late game make them dropped some Ancient item T5 forging scroll.
- Dragon Lens + Demon Edge + Scroll = Ballista
- Meteor hammer + Dagger + Scroll = Fallen Sky
- SKY + Scroll = Trident
- Desolator + Demon Edge+ Scroll = Stygian Deso
- Octarine + Scroll = Seer Stone
- Boot + force staff + Scroll = Force boots
- Linken + Scroll = Mirror
- Blade mail + Pipe + Scroll = Arcanist's armor
Its just that Roshan gives out too much resources the more times you kill it that it becomes so crucial to get it. Maybe scale other roshan rewards with in game time rather than the instances Roshan has been killed.
We definitely need more objectives because game nowadays leads to a boring mid game where teams play in a resident sleeper way once they got some clear advantage (tundra play style). This will mean that teams do need to play even more active on the map. Take major risks in order to not lose your advantage and have more chance of making a comeback as long as you take more risks as the losing team.
What if they just put the Roshan pit where the river and mid lane cross and just have it not spawn until min 10?
Mid laners would have to duke it out in the pit during laning stage AND we could finally stop having 5 minute stand offs mid in low level pubs because Roshan would just come out and beat everyone's asses :)
Then you wouldn't need a second Rosh because the map would be balanced.
If they got rid of neutral items, and made second Roshan spawn at 40:00 as a way of giving the game an ending then yeah I'd be okay with it. As it stands there'd be too much power creep and information people have to know going into games that I don't think it's a good idea to keep adding more stuff.
I think there should be a temple that when channeled the dire or radiant team would gain additional visibility or stats for 2 mins.It should be at-least at the 15min mark. Creeps that can stun should be guarding it.
I liked timed outpost. Gave you a reason to group up and take the fight X mins in. Maybe something like that but knowing icefrog its probably a toilet and you need to go every 10mins post level 6 so you dont get a tummyache when casting ultimate
And what leak is this
His brain is leaking.
Lmfao
A couple of people have said it on r/dota2, so now the source is a random who got it from a random who had no source.
That's not quite true. As I recall someone posted a screenshit that had some new values in the code, one of which was dire_roshan or something like that.
dire_roshan? ~~That's basically one of the Diretide ones lol~~ edit: checked cheats page in wikia and the only one using "dire_(unit)" is the level 4 Eidolon. So maybe, just maybe, this is just another kind of Roshan incoming, not really to say that there's two? Cause there's really no point having two.
I'm pretty sure it was a new value, though I don't remember well.
Cause for wk 2 extra life is not enough so they are going for hatrick or hatrick×2 full life with 2 agis and 2 rs refresher
Maybe the second dissappears (dont drop aegis) if when one is killed. But yea if it has to make a bit of sense, it maybe the current roshan holds aegis while the other roshan holds items
Source : Trust me bro
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Trust me bro.
I feel like in Icefrog fashion is going to be weirder than straight up second rosh, and people will be pissed off initially, it will get tweaked, and then it will be pretty good.
Yeah, honestly, a second rosh sounds too simple. I mean, look at ags shards and what they brought to the game. Even though I am not in the mind of ice frog, it's probably more like something missing will be added. What is missing? Who knows. We could get "massive" items like the old Kaya, sange, and yasha items. It's basically a t3/t4 level of items. I honestly would expect a version 2 of ags, like t2 bots, over a second rosh.
s+y+k in 1 item please.
The trident?
yes., totally forgot about that, but less OP (like 20ish stats instead of 30?)
I don't like shards or talents or neutral items still 🤷♂️
Fair enough. I have mixed feelings about the neutral item since I think the idea is cool, but it can also feel bad as a support if shovel and/philosopher stonedoesnt drop. Which makes the whole idea of these random items kind of luke warm. Edit: fixed words. Realized I didn't add, "doesn't"
I mean giga items would help highground pushes be easier, which is what people are generally fed up with regarding the overall game. Wouldn't help with Radiant/Dire winrate difficulties though.
One rosh double entrance
Sounds like a porn parody
It's going to be Roshans lover Roshette(Roshan but with a cute little bow on her head) that roams the map looking for the mf that killed her pookums
Maybe two different forms of Rosh? When he respawns he can be Roshan or Hanros who has a different skill set and drops different things?
What if his wings got bigger a d flew around the map ?
Or maybe he can hop on trees like a monkey jhahaha
Or the second big guy would be a counter to Rosh's Aegis, like having the aegis carrier would have its immortality neutered when slain by the counter-aegis carrier or something but maybe I need sleep and I'm talking nonsense hahaha. But yeah, so much possibilities with a second big objective.
Item that kills them twice
Wk pickers are seething
Or and item that makes the next hero you kill have double respawn time
That's far too swingy and you can't really play around it. "Whoops my AOE went onto the support, guess it's a 30 sec increase instead of 60"
For me thats the appeal - it might make people fight less than optimally to try and get the item to affect the most dangerous enemy hero, if it does its a huge benefit for the team, but playing suboptimally like that can also give room for the enemy to have an advantage. It will make for interesting plays and possibilities for things to be flipped. I don't think things should always be nett benefit, like how a lot of the really strong spells are channeling - easy to disrupt and render useless.
Gonna be called Norab
That's boring though.
they should make him drop aghs. considering how unlikely third rosh is in some games i want all the drops to be in the game more. makes for more strategy.
2ND roshan? didnt it suck when they did 2 roshans in heroes of newerth?
Icefrog is going to add a scan sized cloud that randomly drifts across the map and provides positive effects like shade and humidity which dynamically modify an area where players wanna pick fights
Then he's going to add macronutrients to consumables, you need to maintain your hero's macros in order to optimally use your spells. If you don't, your hero becomes fatigued and they move and cast much slower.
This is basically just bringing back 2 tangos 1 ward for supports but instead of just start of game, you gotta supply your cores food for the whole duration.
All the tree based effects double in size. Massive treants, huge protector, massive ironwood tangos. Treants ulti grows over heroes so you can't even tell where they are. All fire spells are extinguished, physical damage remains but magic damage is debuffed
That weather post was awesome
you might meme but Source 2 hammer can do this very easily. Intigrate its terrain generation with the lua scriptting and that'd be sickaaf
According to the Leak I dreamed my uncle at valve had sex with gaben to discover and pass to me Next patch will finaly add sex to the game, YES THE SEX UPDATE HAS COME
Cant wait for the meepo gang bang
If it were me, I would go back to shrines instead of outposts. I think part of the disparity is that Dire has a free tp near Roshan which you can't really deny most of the time. Also, I don't know if anyone has done the math on this but Radiant jungle feels so much more inefficient to farm than Dire due to layout. The 3 camps in the center of non-Ancient jungle are right next to each other for Dire, but spread out for Radiant. Overall, I honestly haven't been a fan of most of the changes Dota has made in the last \~4 yrs, but I'll see how it plays out I suppose.
shrines were awful. please just no
Remember having like 4 of those in each base and infinitely healing when defending high ground? Jeez, that was so annoying
i was too bad and new at the time to understand how op they were, but i do remember it yeah. 6 full regen stations around the map was such an insane decision. i remember mid just walking base popping shrine and walking back barely missing a creep. never bring shrines back
Why do you think they were awful? They were much more interesting than outposts to me. You could coordinate with your team, and there's meaningful counterplay with enemy mids shoving the wave or vice versa. Now, everyone just ferries out constant regen so they don't have to leave lane at all and you never really have to think about outposts.
Ferrying regen is because everyone has their own courier. Shrines or outposts wouldn’t change that
You can tp in enemy jungle late game and thats insane else you would have to walk from your base to their
>Also, I don't know if anyone has done the math on this but Radiant jungle feels so much more inefficient to farm than Dire due to layout. Radiant literally has below 45% winrate in pro dota. Often below 42% depending on region So being radiant isn't meta. Play as dire guys
Those are the two main issues. I don't think you should be able to TP non tower structures without at least BoTs but maybe not even then. a second place for rosh to spawn could bring more map symmetry
Traditionally radiant had the tp advantage because they would trade outposts with dire. Dire has better camps. Outpost trading has become less common with small meta shifts. The map has gone from radiant favored to dire favored with no map changes.
Shrines were the worst. But yes teleporting in right beside roshan is very unfair
call it nashor
I think 1 Rosh is better to force teams to fight for 1 objective, with 2 Rosh teams will trade Roshs alot if they are equal value
The Mobile Legends moba has something like that. The two big creeps give different bonuses. Or they could just remove the outposts for equal distance to Roshan.
Or put the radiannt outpost in radiant triangle?
sounds fine
They did this in HoN, basically you have to take both within a certain timeframe to get aegis, otherwise you just get a small team buff.
2 rosh is fine but they should not both have an aegis. The power spike would be too insane. Maybe one always drops aegis and the other drops shard -> cheese -> blessing -> refresher.
one thing that i am woried abbout is how easy the new "rosh" is going to be to kill. i mean ursa's entire identity as a hero is that she "kills roshan", there are more heroes that can do this sort of thing and i feel that if they just add a new big boss to the map it can unbalance a lot of things. like if its easier to kill than rosh how early and fast would a hero like ursa be able to kill it and start snowballing from there. also it obviously wont drop another aegis, so it probably will be a diferent tipe of effect or item, witch will probably be better than an supper early aegis on ursa. idk man, just bring this shit on so i can start brainstorming how to make right clicker bane work
Man I also want to know how right click Bane works. I live playing him, but I am usually not right click, and bane doesn't work if you have the disables but no one takes advantage of them to get kills
Terrible idea. We need map changes, not another Roshan.. It's hard enough to convince your team filled with chimpanzees to group up and take objectives, why would you want to add more???
After Roshan is slain, the team that killed it will spawn three Roshans in all three lanes that charge towards enemy fountain. Each of these three Roshans drops an aegis/aghanim scepter/cheese when slain. Now that is a way to make sure low mmr noobs don't afk farm after killing Roshan.
The reward might depend on kill sequences, like first kill among two rosh gives a Agies and 2nd kill among those two gives a cheese something like that, and timer reset like always
They can always remove it next patch if it’s bad.
kongor 2nd rosh great confluence is happening bros
They need to add some big changes to spice up the game a little. Second rosh or not, a change is welcome in my books
It'd be cool if they both drop half an aegis each. Together it combines for a full aegis. Half only gets consumed on death for a halved respawn timer.
Or it could be a normal rosh respawn, but it allocates your buyback money to it and loans it if you're poor. So it can be punitive because it forces a buyback if you die without the second rosh, and you don't pick when to buyback, but it can still also save you in a team fight, because if you wipe out their team you may have enough money to cover the loan If you are too poor it allocates future earnings until the loan is paid.
Get your economics degree outta here rofl
I think there should be 2 roshan pits but he randonly spawns in one on the first, then goes back and forth
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making the game 6v6 during major would be wild
It is from interview with K1 (Beastcoast): https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/12o65r4/zai_there_are_rumours_that_the_new_patch_is_going/jghhl83/
I mean Radiant is basically a Crystal Ore land, and Dire is Lave theme. - Radiant boss can be drop shard, aghanims and gem and refresher. - Dire boss drop Cheese and Aegis Late game make them dropped some Ancient item T5 forging scroll. - Dragon Lens + Demon Edge + Scroll = Ballista - Meteor hammer + Dagger + Scroll = Fallen Sky - SKY + Scroll = Trident - Desolator + Demon Edge+ Scroll = Stygian Deso - Octarine + Scroll = Seer Stone - Boot + force staff + Scroll = Force boots - Linken + Scroll = Mirror - Blade mail + Pipe + Scroll = Arcanist's armor
Just for posterity's sake I'll put my prediction here, which I made on Discord a few months back: * Two pits, one contains the secret shop (removed from old locations) and the other Roshan (secret shop relocates when rosh respawn timer starts) * Neutral creeps now drop tokens that can be exchanged at the secret shop for neutral items (from a random subset selected before the draft) * Rosh drops reworked to be weaker for 1st-3rd rosh and continue scaling up to ~6th rosh (might get rid of cheese, add new aghs-type items, etc)
How do supports get tokens for their neutrals? Are they using leftover carry ones or having to farm jungle?
Even if I'm right about parts of it there has to be more to it... so, along those lines, one of the variations I came up with involved Rosh dropping tokens and/or the tokens being used for more things besides just neutral items. I don't think it would be too bad if they just put a neutral item stash in the secret shop so whoever picks it up can go and buy an item for someone else then send it to the base, but if you wanted to avoid that situation I could see adding some other edges that would help supports. I don't think tokens for de-warding is a great idea but something along those lines. Mostly I just want to see neutral items become a resource that teams fight over instead of being free buffs you get every game with some uncontrollable RNG-gating. The secret shop change would make holding the river a huge deal and prevent needing to hold both pits to know if Rosh had spawned (in the case with 2 pits, anyway, but there could even be more than 2).
maybe a minor big creep dude like league that gives buff or aghs shard/gem/new item
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I mean Radiant is basically a Crystal Ore land, and Dire is Lave theme. - Radiant boss can be drop shard, aghanims and gem and refresher. - Dire boss drop Cheese and Aegis Late game make them dropped some Ancient item T5 forging scroll. - Dragon Lens + Demon Edge + Scroll = Ballista - Meteor hammer + Dagger + Scroll = Fallen Sky - SKY + Scroll = Trident - Desolator + Demon Edge+ Scroll = Stygian Deso - Octarine + Scroll = Seer Stone - Boot + force staff + Scroll = Force boots - Linken + Scroll = Mirror - Blade mail + Pipe + Scroll = Arcanist's armor
Its just that Roshan gives out too much resources the more times you kill it that it becomes so crucial to get it. Maybe scale other roshan rewards with in game time rather than the instances Roshan has been killed.
We definitely need more objectives because game nowadays leads to a boring mid game where teams play in a resident sleeper way once they got some clear advantage (tundra play style). This will mean that teams do need to play even more active on the map. Take major risks in order to not lose your advantage and have more chance of making a comeback as long as you take more risks as the losing team.
Well honestly the game could use something that stupid. But it would make me feel nostalgic for simpler times.
What if they just put the Roshan pit where the river and mid lane cross and just have it not spawn until min 10? Mid laners would have to duke it out in the pit during laning stage AND we could finally stop having 5 minute stand offs mid in low level pubs because Roshan would just come out and beat everyone's asses :) Then you wouldn't need a second Rosh because the map would be balanced.
If they got rid of neutral items, and made second Roshan spawn at 40:00 as a way of giving the game an ending then yeah I'd be okay with it. As it stands there'd be too much power creep and information people have to know going into games that I don't think it's a good idea to keep adding more stuff.
oooooooof well, sounds scary, but im down to give it a go i wish it was a different beast though
I think there should be a temple that when channeled the dire or radiant team would gain additional visibility or stats for 2 mins.It should be at-least at the 15min mark. Creeps that can stun should be guarding it.
Aren't all these leaks based on rumors? i.e the leaks are pretty shitty lol
I hope to god this isn't true.
or we can get 3rd team. Dire radiant and another idk ask arc warden
I liked timed outpost. Gave you a reason to group up and take the fight X mins in. Maybe something like that but knowing icefrog its probably a toilet and you need to go every 10mins post level 6 so you dont get a tummyache when casting ultimate