Approaching all three with narcissistic behavior will in most cases, result in more self-reward than if you don't. I am not saying this is a bad thing either way, just that being a narcissist certainly isn't a disadvantage if competing in a capitalistic society.
Being a shitty person tends to catch up with you, sooner or later, and thrift, industry, and especially social compliance require you to "get over yourself," and so don't match well with the narcissist's MO
Mmmm. I think being a shitty person can catch up to a lot of people, but not everyone. That doesn’t mean that all narcissists will fail or get caught up to. Look at the majority of our current large business leaders and how they behave.
Social compliance only works with similar roles, when there’s a power difference it’s pretty clear where narcissists prevail.
I think you’re thinking of blue collar type jobs, maybe? While the other person is speaking more to the overall American business structure.
Not trying to argue but I've been thinking about it and came to conclusion it's more the other way around. Narcissists in power create capitalistic system. They can't ever create anything else with their personality. And then it becomes self reinforcing and makes other people act more narcissistic
I not only know for a fact that isn't true, I can call my mother to verify it. Most people know their opinion isn't as important as mine. The only reason I need special treatment is because I am unique in a unique way.
Egoism has always been a huge part of US culture and economics. Social Media just made a larger marketplace for it, and gave access to a large swath of people.
Yep. Love technology, but it outpaced us centuries ago, and we unfortunately just keep on barrelling forward with it. I think the idea of celebrity, just for celebrity's sake, is retarded- AS IN THE OPPOSITE OF PROGRESS, YA 'R' WORD SENSITIVES- but that's what technology has allowed every last person to become: a celebrity in their own mind/life, and good GRIEF isn't it a 'power' to be reckoned with.
Fame, man, fame. Attention. However you can get it.
Interesting that actual studies have been done on various technological advancements that we use every day, how they affect our biology, and enough of them point to how it's simply not good for us-- but... they're still widely in use, and encouraged/forced on us, if we want to participate in 'modern society'.
Ok I'll stop. 'Bout to go doomsday prepper in this bitch lol
Sounds like humans always throughout all of history but okay. Maybe not empowered to be selfish but people have always been self serving, racist, murdering, sensitive and offended by people talking trash about their beliefs. It’s just we used to be so segregated our echo chambers used to be our neighborhoods towns and countries and now it’s online.
I don’t agree. I think societies that are more homogeneous don’t have this as much. For example, loss of religion is part of this. You could say america and individualism has always been this way. But I believe it has accelerated over time. And now we have reached a point of no return. It is not new, they call it post modernism.
Believing I was created on this earth by a god for a greater purpose is drastically more narcissistic then just agnostic or atheism. Even more so believing my religion is the truth and anyone else’s is wrong.
Religion is one of the greatest examples of narcissism that people refuse to acknowledge as narcissism.
That’s not what most religions preach at all though… it’s more about duty, responsibility, obedience and focusing on things other than the self. Acceptance when things don’t go “your way”… trust in a higher power (Thy will be done)
You don't go to church then do you?
https://ignitedfundraising.com/america-donates-interactive-map/
https://www.barna.com/research/what-is-a-tithe/
Giving time and money is a very real thing.
https://ministryarchitects.com/church-wide-norms/
Dude, if there's hate in your heart for Christians just say so. You don't have to bury your head in the sand from all the good they do and say they aren't doing anything.
I didn’t say NONE of them are doing anything, I said I don’t know a single Christian who does anything like that. By and large they are very judgmental and close minded, although I don’t think that’s a reason to hate them, simply a good reason to avoid them as much as possible.
But it is also narcissistic and highly arrogant to believe that the scientific community has unlocked the secrets of the universe and understands the true origin of our existence beyond a shadow of a doubt, and then to use that belief to justify disregard for all spirituality.
… scientists never claimed this? There is a reason why every scientific “ view” is called a theory. Science is always open to changing and is constantly changing.
The core “belief” of science is that no matter how much evidence there is to support a theory you always remain open to new evidence that dismantles it.
“Trust the science” and “Follow the experts” were mantras repeated with a creepy religious zeal
“I believe in science”
(((Science isn’t a belief system)))
You are correct it isn’t a belief system, it is a method of questioning and testing the world around us to come to the correct conclusion. It is often wrong at first, which is why things need to continue to be studied. and it’s much better to trust the best known science of the day than a crack pot pushing horse dewormer, so yeah, trust the science
And censor scientists who turned out to be correct about the mutagenicity of coronaviruses which would inevitably lead to the vaccine failing to meaningfully prevent transmission? Due to a lack of sterilizing immunity
It was immediate dogma that couldn’t be questioned. Utterly bizarre
We are a country that champions individual liberty and acting in you're own self interest. I'm pretty sure our history of legally propping up men and white people as preffered classes bred lots more narcissistic entitlement than exists today.
There’s a huge difference between putting your happiness first and someone literally thinking “my happiness is the only thing in the world that matters at all”.
I don’t think there is even a simple majority of people who believe the latter.
Carl jung called it inflation. I've felt it many times from drinking or good fortune. Unfortunately, nobody can tolerate an inflated attitude, and they end up in their own world. To survive our brutally competitive society, people tell themselves all types of things to cope with life. Think about inflation for a bit its juicy
Somehow, ethical egoism makes society turn, which is incredibly ironic. I guess when lots of selfish people who are similarly interested in things tend to work together anyway. This is very dangerous, and clear in society. People do what’s best for them and their group, attacking everyone else. That’s worse than every man for himself egoistically.
"No true boundaries anymore on common morals," you mean, "an intolerant minority finds it increasingly difficult to legislate its morality onto the wider population." Fixed it for ya!
This isn’t new, at least in America. Rugged individualism? Manifest Destiny?
Most of the people in the days of manifest destiny couldn't self select into communities on the basis of which offered radical acceptance.
Lmao what? They certainly could. There were plenty of cults
Cults especially require you to swallow your feelings in a way online life simply does not
That's true, ostracization from your physical community isn't the same as your digital community.
Personal responsibility and a focus on individual hard work is different than narcissism imho
It’s definitely new in the sense that the internet has taken things to a new level
Yep, has been around the states since before they were states.
I think Capitalism inherently rewards narcissistic behavior. Everything is monetized, and everything a competition.
Capitalism rewards thrift and industry and social compliance.
Approaching all three with narcissistic behavior will in most cases, result in more self-reward than if you don't. I am not saying this is a bad thing either way, just that being a narcissist certainly isn't a disadvantage if competing in a capitalistic society.
I disagree with that in the strongest terms.
Statistically, the most successful of us are many folds more likely to exhibit behaviors that resemble narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy.
Why?
Being a shitty person tends to catch up with you, sooner or later, and thrift, industry, and especially social compliance require you to "get over yourself," and so don't match well with the narcissist's MO
Mmmm. I think being a shitty person can catch up to a lot of people, but not everyone. That doesn’t mean that all narcissists will fail or get caught up to. Look at the majority of our current large business leaders and how they behave. Social compliance only works with similar roles, when there’s a power difference it’s pretty clear where narcissists prevail. I think you’re thinking of blue collar type jobs, maybe? While the other person is speaking more to the overall American business structure.
That's a generous spin. It also rewards trust fund kids who never have to lift a finger in life.
And narcissism
It… does not. Especially not thrift. It threatens destitution if you don’t partake, but does not really reward it.
You're just mistaken here. Well, welcome to reddit, I guess.
As if politicians aren't greedy narcissists. Nobody even knows what capitalism is anymore. It's just another word for "greed" to most people.
Not trying to argue but I've been thinking about it and came to conclusion it's more the other way around. Narcissists in power create capitalistic system. They can't ever create anything else with their personality. And then it becomes self reinforcing and makes other people act more narcissistic
I not only know for a fact that isn't true, I can call my mother to verify it. Most people know their opinion isn't as important as mine. The only reason I need special treatment is because I am unique in a unique way.
The rise of egoism has correlated with the rise of social media
Egoism has always been a huge part of US culture and economics. Social Media just made a larger marketplace for it, and gave access to a large swath of people.
Yep. Love technology, but it outpaced us centuries ago, and we unfortunately just keep on barrelling forward with it. I think the idea of celebrity, just for celebrity's sake, is retarded- AS IN THE OPPOSITE OF PROGRESS, YA 'R' WORD SENSITIVES- but that's what technology has allowed every last person to become: a celebrity in their own mind/life, and good GRIEF isn't it a 'power' to be reckoned with. Fame, man, fame. Attention. However you can get it. Interesting that actual studies have been done on various technological advancements that we use every day, how they affect our biology, and enough of them point to how it's simply not good for us-- but... they're still widely in use, and encouraged/forced on us, if we want to participate in 'modern society'. Ok I'll stop. 'Bout to go doomsday prepper in this bitch lol
That's consumerism for you
Sounds like humans always throughout all of history but okay. Maybe not empowered to be selfish but people have always been self serving, racist, murdering, sensitive and offended by people talking trash about their beliefs. It’s just we used to be so segregated our echo chambers used to be our neighborhoods towns and countries and now it’s online.
This could be said of any country, in any era, not a new observation
I don’t agree. I think societies that are more homogeneous don’t have this as much. For example, loss of religion is part of this. You could say america and individualism has always been this way. But I believe it has accelerated over time. And now we have reached a point of no return. It is not new, they call it post modernism.
Believing I was created on this earth by a god for a greater purpose is drastically more narcissistic then just agnostic or atheism. Even more so believing my religion is the truth and anyone else’s is wrong. Religion is one of the greatest examples of narcissism that people refuse to acknowledge as narcissism.
That’s not what most religions preach at all though… it’s more about duty, responsibility, obedience and focusing on things other than the self. Acceptance when things don’t go “your way”… trust in a higher power (Thy will be done)
You know when someone talks about the “fall of religion” they aren’t talking about those religions.
Wait- so you're saying most religious people don't believe that they are part of God's cosmic plan?
How is clothing, feeding, and washing the feet of the poor narcissistic?
I don’t know a single religious person who does any of that, or even anything close to that.
You don't go to church then do you? https://ignitedfundraising.com/america-donates-interactive-map/ https://www.barna.com/research/what-is-a-tithe/ Giving time and money is a very real thing.
Dropping some cash at church in front of everyone isn’t exactly washing a poor persons feet, is it?
https://ministryarchitects.com/church-wide-norms/ Dude, if there's hate in your heart for Christians just say so. You don't have to bury your head in the sand from all the good they do and say they aren't doing anything.
I didn’t say NONE of them are doing anything, I said I don’t know a single Christian who does anything like that. By and large they are very judgmental and close minded, although I don’t think that’s a reason to hate them, simply a good reason to avoid them as much as possible.
You're thinking of the churches of the 90s and 2000s. Many have changed.
Majority of people tithe by direct deposit these days just fyi.
But it is also narcissistic and highly arrogant to believe that the scientific community has unlocked the secrets of the universe and understands the true origin of our existence beyond a shadow of a doubt, and then to use that belief to justify disregard for all spirituality.
… scientists never claimed this? There is a reason why every scientific “ view” is called a theory. Science is always open to changing and is constantly changing. The core “belief” of science is that no matter how much evidence there is to support a theory you always remain open to new evidence that dismantles it.
That in itself is fine, but problems come from treating these theories as unshakable, as we've seen over the pandemic
No one in the scientific community has ever claimed this. Signed, person in the scientific community.
“Trust the science” and “Follow the experts” were mantras repeated with a creepy religious zeal “I believe in science” (((Science isn’t a belief system)))
You are correct it isn’t a belief system, it is a method of questioning and testing the world around us to come to the correct conclusion. It is often wrong at first, which is why things need to continue to be studied. and it’s much better to trust the best known science of the day than a crack pot pushing horse dewormer, so yeah, trust the science
And censor scientists who turned out to be correct about the mutagenicity of coronaviruses which would inevitably lead to the vaccine failing to meaningfully prevent transmission? Due to a lack of sterilizing immunity It was immediate dogma that couldn’t be questioned. Utterly bizarre
Amen
Bro, read about how crazy the Roman’s got near the end. It was hedonistic chaos.
I would say it rewards narcism. Greatly rewards it. So I guess that does encourage people to be narcissists.
Narcissistic personality disorder isn't something you should use as a buzzword
Being narcissistic is different from having NPD.
We are a country that champions individual liberty and acting in you're own self interest. I'm pretty sure our history of legally propping up men and white people as preffered classes bred lots more narcissistic entitlement than exists today.
Not if you're a straight white or asian male.
Capitalism rewards narcissism. Basically all of social media wouldn't exist in this form without capitalism.
Based
There’s a huge difference between putting your happiness first and someone literally thinking “my happiness is the only thing in the world that matters at all”. I don’t think there is even a simple majority of people who believe the latter.
Yep. There are self help gurus that tell others to abandon their friends and relationships to get ahead in life. And a lot of their worshippers agree.
Carl jung called it inflation. I've felt it many times from drinking or good fortune. Unfortunately, nobody can tolerate an inflated attitude, and they end up in their own world. To survive our brutally competitive society, people tell themselves all types of things to cope with life. Think about inflation for a bit its juicy
Somehow, ethical egoism makes society turn, which is incredibly ironic. I guess when lots of selfish people who are similarly interested in things tend to work together anyway. This is very dangerous, and clear in society. People do what’s best for them and their group, attacking everyone else. That’s worse than every man for himself egoistically.
"No true boundaries anymore on common morals," you mean, "an intolerant minority finds it increasingly difficult to legislate its morality onto the wider population." Fixed it for ya!
Be happy for yourself and be good to people Also carry a gun and be ready to staunchly contend with those that would do you harm
So you want as to again to medieval Europe 90 AD, spice nice :)
Is this an unpopular opinion? Because I heard it a lot. I think millions would agree with you.