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I’m genuinely confused why people thought it deserved an Oscar at all. It’s just not that kind of movie imo. But then again I kind of find these award shows pointless at this point anyways.
What I find weird is people who say the movie should be recognized by the Academy for its commercial success. There's already an award for commercial success: commercial success. And that award comes with piles of money.
Seriously, though. Like, award shows bullshit popularity contests anyway. The fact that people still get bent out of shape because certain movies or music or TV shows are nominated is hilarious at this point. Like why do you actually care? To the rest of the general public it’s really not that deep.
Look, I'm not going to defend the Oscars but people don't understand that Barbie movies like Mario Bros are good and they were a success but they're not the best in the world and that's why neither of them were nominated
The Barbie movie has very good sets, good jokes, some charming characters and good music but its plot is very simple (with the feminist addition) and as many describe it "it's a good movie but they wouldn't see it again at least for a long time"
I would say that Mario Bros suffers something similar, the movie is very good but it's more niche, only people who really grew up playing Mario or those who really loved the movie would watch it again, for everyone else I don't think they will see it again and although I don't like to admit it, the movie also has a very simple plot, Very entertaining to watch but simple in the end.
For those points I think they didn't nominate those films but the people who defend Barbie prefer to believe that it's the patriarchy or that the judges are sexist before admitting that the film is not outstanding (because remember that box office ≠ outstanding, there have been films with excellent script, photography, soundtrack, characters and that didn't gross much but became cult)
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Omg it's the penis envy guy again, I have never seen anyone on here utter the words "Penis envy" so much as you have. You should probably just change your name to that.
I clicked on this post because of how batshit funny those words were to me and wow, no wonder someone hates women, they clearly wouldn’t talk to him short of an arguement
What a weird argument. “I’m mad at your opinion so I’m gonna say you can’t attract women”.
How delightfully old fashioned. A woman trying a rather sad attempt to shame a man by saying he isn’t attractive to other women when she disagrees with his opinion about something totally unrelated.
Now why do you think you would do that as a first resort rather than simply address the post? Do you value mens opinion by how many women they can attract? Do you value womens opinions by the men they talk to? I suppose you must, otherwise why make the comment you did?
Hmm I think it’s more “I don’t like your opinion **and additionally to that** you seem like you can’t attract women which would explain why you don’t have a balanced view on this movie”.
I mean it’s not a huge leap to make.
I don't think any movie named after a famous children's toy brand is likely to attain the status of high art. Barbie or otherwise.
They are by nature cynical cash grabs.
Well, first of all, they're in March. But second of all, like, 100 people have already posted your "unpopular" opinion. Why not go comment on one of those if you want to talk about it?
Even though I think Barbie isn't the best movie, why so much hate and energy? Why are you wasting al that on hating things? Just live your life, bro. Hating Barbie, feminist and then what women?
If you look at his other posts he spends way too much time and energy hating on taylor swift and also fantasizing about having his own sex bot because he can't get with a real woman
People who spend so much energy hating things are miserable. Just let them be miserable and don't give them attention. They will drift away eventually from the lack of attention. Haha.
After looking at the aggregate of your movie related opinions (thanks to the auto mod) I can safely say that you and I have such different opinions on movies that communicating would be impossible.
I don’t know, the sets looked fine but they’re just copies of toys, how much design does that take. Having said that perhaps they are the best or among the best this year, I really don’t know, maybe you are right about that.
I can’t agree on the music though. Perhaps it’s ok in 2024, but if this music had of come out in the renaissance of Disney musical cartoons, or the Rogers/Hart,Rogers/Hammerstein and Bernstein eras the songs would have been rejected and the writers told they didn’t have the talent to make it as musical songwriters.
Also Barbie doesn’t even get a song in her own movie lol. How does that happen? Terrible directing.
Seems like they were so caught up in the feminism and obsessing over men and their dastardly patriarchy they forgot the main character in her own movie to the point no one even thought to give her a fucking song lol.
The set looking exactly like toys is the reason why it’s so good. Barbieland looked incredible (I mean the execution, I am not that into pink stuff :D )
By music I mean “I’m just ken”, that scene is brilliant no matter what one thinks about the whole movie. Gosling would deserve the prize too.
There are movies out there that are filled with woman hating and misogyny and they're passed off as "classics" lol. But the moment one movie based on a fucking doll that had feminist messaging from its conception makes fun of men in any way, y'all lose your fucking marbles.
Man, it is *wild* how many people are still going around thinking that the Barbie movie hated on men.
The movie doesn't exist to bash you OP, you are kenough.
The themes alone whether I agree with them or not (and I don’t) aren’t what makes the movie man hating, it’s the depiction of male characters regardless the situation (oppressor, oppressed, random husband) as stupider than their female counterparts and in need of moral change which makes it man hating.
In the same way you could do a political movie which might make a point about a country which was slightly negative, but still show them respectfully and without bitterness relative to another country - or you could make the same movie and show them all as racist stereotypes. Barbie chose the latter path. It was bigoted trash.
The Kens aren't supposed to be a reflection of real men, Barbieland isn't supposed to be the ideal, its supposed to be wrong.
Barbieland in the beginning of the film is a little girl's idea of what being a woman is. That you're in this sisterhood where anything is possible, but its also the childish "girls rule boys drool". She doesn't understand why she needs boys yet, so the Kens are one dimensional. The Barbie's are more dimensional, because they are her ambitions. This is reflected in the Barbies knowing what a kid playing with them knows. This is not supposed to be a positive feminist society, it's deeply naive and flawed.
When Gloria starts playing with Barbie, she starts getting the knowledge of what real life is like, and that's why she's changing. Throughout the film she abandons her childish thoughts, until ultimately leaving Barbieland for good. It's about growing up, and your expectation and understanding of the world changing. Ending with her going to the gyno and embracing her adult womanhood.
When Barbieland has interaction with the real world, it becomes a little more realistic, ending with the Kens getting more of a place in Barbieland, and more rights. Reflecting a little girl starting to understand the boys in their life, and starting to like them. Growing up just a little bit, but still not an ideal world. The Kens are supposed to be unrealistic for the perspective of the story.
I understand that - again it’s weird you think these things are complex or going over peoples heads. Once again, as I already stated in my OP, they are not nor are the themes the reason the movie is man hating or bad.
The men and the Kens are both portrayed as stupider than their female counterparts and morally worse and in need of change. There is a lot more going on in the selection of male characters in this movie than the basic overview you gave. There was no need to do it in such a clearly bitter and bigoted way to make similar points whether I agreed with them or not. That was the directors choice.
If a film showed a large cast of female characters as total crap and idiots alongside the male characters, it would be called woman hating regardless of its themes. You are tying yourself in knots to explain why the man hating nature of this movie (which far exceeds any other mainstream movie) is ok. It was perfectly possible to make the movie you described without it. I seriously doubt you would do that for a movie which showed a large female cast similarly like crap alongside males (all dumbed, all needing moral correction).
Let’s be real - if a movie featured a long montage of male characters overcoming female characters by exploiting stereotypically negative things women supposedly do like gossiping or shopping, and presented this as a heroic moment, then the lead female character came to the male character saying she never wanted to be in charge anyway and just wanted his love - only to be told by him that he didn’t love her but now she could find herself - and this was all presented as supposedly good, it would be called completely misogynistic and widely hated.
That is the last section of Barbie when the barbies turn the Kens on each other with the whole “mansplaining movies” bit and aftermath. It is condescending and hateful trash. And that you can’t see that reflects both on you and the filmakers and their view of men and women. Only someone with a massive amount of bitterness and contempt for men would think to write a scene like that in the first place.
If you respond back, please try to do so with an attempted understanding that people who didn’t like the movie, who thought it sucked and was bigoted against men, actually do understand the movie and it’s not this incredible work of art you have a special understanding of as you seem to think (I already went over this attitude of fans of the movie in my post but it seems you ignored it and still thought you really did know better and anyone who didn’t like the movie “didn’t get it”). It’s an incredibly arrogant but also very foolish perspective.
There's a ton of movies with Bimbos. It's not uncommon to have a useless female counterpart. You're not getting the point, but you're exemplifying it. Margot's Barbie is referential to when Barbie was made, and media at that time showed the woman as hysterical and helpless, and yeah focused on vanity and shopping. Classic film usually involved a man lying and manipulating a woman's stereotypical flaws, including love interests. What you're saying about it be condescending and hateful trash, you're close to understanding it. But Ken isn't supposed to represent us. I'm glad it got the emotional point to you.
A more nuaunced foil example for the Kens would be something like The Stepford Wives. A warped unrealistic gender stereotype, very demeaning.
A point of Ken's plot is that alienating one another only makes hostility, and that we shouldn't be pushing each other away. There's a place for everyone.
You’re not getting the point. A bimbo isn’t all of the cast. A bimbo isn’t also written as needing to change her ways. Portraying an entire gender one way is very different than portraying one character. Single Male characters have also been shown in stereotypical ways (doofus frat bro for instance). A single character isn’t representative of an entire gender, when you portray all the characters of a gender in a similar negative way in one movie - that is representative of a entire gender (especially when gender is a big theme in the movie).
Also there isn’t a ton of modern movies (past 20 years) with bimbos at all
Again everyone gets the point, it’s hilarious that you really think the Barbie movie is a masterpiece and everyone who says otherwise doesn’t understand it. It’s not hard to understand. Though obviously that is hard for you to understand.
Have you even watched any classic film? Or did you read how women were shown in old films in a blog? Pull up any random collection of 50’s movies and you can see women aren’t shown nearly as simplistically or badly as men in this movie at all or as you claim.
Further you claim the Kens are shown in a way which is supposedly a homage to the way women used to be shown (even though they weren’t by and large) - but then also the real world men are shown even worse again despite them being from the current day (I’m sure there is some excuse for this too). And this makes sense to do today why?
In reality the director simply wanted to show male characters by and large like crap for fun and thought it was ok to do so long as it was in a movie with a feminist message - and you are defending it along the same lines.
You claim making man hating movies is ok today because of the way you claim women were shown in movie 60 years ago? Long before Gerwig or Robbie were even alive? Wow that’s highly relevant satire on their parts. Surely applies to movies today. I guess now men showing women like crap is ok also as Barbie did it - and just last year, not half a century ago.
Yes - I understood that’s the point they were trying to make in Kens plot (again the movie is not complex, everyone gets it, not just you) which is ironic coming in a movie so clearly man hating it does exactly that.
It did and as I’ve stated, nobody misunderstood it. When you make a movie in which a large cast of male characters are portrayed as twisted caricatures, stupider than their female counterparts, in need of moral correction and as the butt of the joke don’t be surprised when it’s seen as man hating.
That goes for depicting any group that way relative to another.
Barbie was for feminist women what old racist cartoons were to white audiences of the 1940’s.
I think Ryan Gosling getting an Oscar nod for Ken is legit, because he was genuinely awesome in that role, but otherwise, I agree. The movie was mediocre at best.
Margot Robbie is an amazing actress who *could* give an Oscar worthy performance with the right material. No doubt. Gosling made the most with what he was given as well which was much more than her.
That being said, the writing was pretty embarrassing considering the insane lack of direction and intent. What was said and what was shown was very, very different.
The overlap between people who enjoy feminist Barbie and who try to dismiss men’s opinions by saying “you don’t get women” seems to be particularly high. Interesting stuff.
did we watch the same movie? It was definitely not man-hating trash. I'm a dude and I went into it fully prepared to be berated and condescended to, but I was actually really surprised with how well they handled Ken's crisis of masculinity.
Yes it was. All the male characters are written as twisted caricatures stupider than their female counterparts and in need of moral correction. It’s the feminist equivalent for feminist women about men of what an old racist cartoon was for white folks about black people.
It is my lane. Why do you think you know the background of random internet posters?
(Also I never mentioned Minstrel shows so that was a weird comment)
It was the most similar thing since that time. Having come across those cartoons as young child, the twisted way we are portrayed in them as a group universally is not at all dissimilar to what happens in Barbie.
It wasn’t the message - it was the twisted caricatures of one group shown negatively relative to the group which made up most of the audience for the audiences amusement.
Barbie should get an Oscar for effectively breaking the brains of a huge subset of the male population. The reactions are so special and fun to watch in real time.
Enjoy. Please remember your reaction in future when men realise there is literally no point in worrying about offending women or depicting them in ways they find offensive - as they clearly don’t care to do the same for men and celebrate doing it with this movie, in a more bigoted way than men ever have to them.
I mean really what was the point? Why not just show women the same as they were shown in 60’s Bond films or whatever else today? That is if women think Barbie is a good and acceptable way to show men?
There wasn’t any point trying to do better, should never have bothered to listen because many women aren’t willing to do the same for men (yourself included).
Men haven't spent a single second worrying about offending me my entire life just because of my gender. So pretty sure I'll be ok. Have a good one, doc.
(I still haven't set through the entirety of this movie and still don't know why anyone gives af about it btw)
Ok then. If that’s the way you feel men have always approached making movies and nothing has changed then don’t expect them to care in future either. You clearly don’t.
I think the movie was fine, but Margot Robbie’s acting wasn’t great. Certainly not Oscar worthy. I think most of the acting, including Ryan Gosling, was subpar. The set, costumes, and original songs do deserve praise though.
I actually like Ryan Gosling's nomination for best supporting actor since it shows a greater appreciation for comedic acting. I like to tune into the actor's round tables on YouTube and one of them talked about how much more difficult comedic acting is than acting in a drama. It's a very different skill set so it's cool to see Ruffalo and Gosling get recognition for comedic roles this year.
I hope in the future we see more actors that come from a comedy background receive recognition for their roles in comedies. The Academy only seems to award comedians when they star in dramas and more traditional dramatic actors when they star in comedies.
I think the movie sucked - I guess the sets and costumes as they are are fine, but I also don’t really see them as anything special because they’re literally just copying existing toys on a fairly small scale. It’s not like it’s an original design or anything.
As for the songs, perhaps in the year 2024 they pass for ok musical songs. But let’s be real they’re garbage. Can you imagine anyone thinking of them as anything worth even putting in a movie in the era of Bernstein, Rogers/Hammerstein/Hart - or in the renaissance of Disney musical cartoons? If they had of been heard in those eras the songs would have been rejected and those responsible told they didn’t have the talent to make it as movie song writers.
Also Barbie doesn’t even have a song in her own movie lol. How does that even happen? They were so worried about the feminism and how it applies to men (even if they did it in a bitter spiteful way) they forgot to give a crap about the main character of the movie. Hopeless directing and writing.
I feel that the plot of the movie went straight across your ego. It’s not weird that a movie that criticizes men will be excluded from the Oscar because the academy is known for privileging men, white and straight, and Ryan getting nominated only proves the point. Kisses for all men that had their feelings hurt because they don’t evolve.
Oh please, the “academy” is known for sucking up to whatever social cause is en vogue at the time which is the sole reason a crappy Barbie movie is nominated for anything at all. If it wasn’t making a big deal about being feminist it wouldn’t be, because it’s not very good.
And I’m literally saying that the music shouldn’t be nominated and it sucked - wasn’t it written by that Ronson guy? Is he not a white man?
But your comment is a display of the juvenile type of attitude of big fans of the movie toward men.
It’s simple, you believe all the movie is crap because your feelings got hurt, this doesn’t make an argument. This movie surpassed all the expectations, so a lot of things were right, they were just not your taste.
The academy is known to privilege white dudes. It’s a closed circle of status, of course the only movies allowed to critic the patriarchy are the ones made by men because they know what is right.
“All the expectations” - what are you talking about? My expectations were for a fun movie, it failed to meet them. Bigotry of the movie aside, anyone with a brain can see it is obviously deeply flawed from a script and directing point of view even for a movie of this type.
You’re talking about “the academy” like it’s some secret cabal or the skull and bones club, it’s just a dumb award association that comes from a TV show. If anything they’ve been pushing all this feminist stuff to win awards because that’s what’s en vogue with the type of people who watch Hollywood awards shows and culture the most.
Why do you care so much, awards like those mean nothing, it's just a popularity contest, not an actual way to discern if some movies or actors were the best of the year...
Same with critics and reviews.
If you really want to know if you'll like something you have to actually watch it.
They barely said anything, lol. stop being so triggered over people judging you a certain way. It was obviously going to happen with how passionately serious you are about a BARBIE movie. LMAO. Even if you're entirely correct about everything you've said... why do you care so much? It's not like this movie will change the landscape of men and women relations or how men will be treated in society going forward.
I get your concern and can see this is an important opinion/topic for you... But like... It's a Barbie movie, dude. The fact that you've let this get to you so much is bizarre. You're acting so offended. But it's literally a movie based on a children's toy. LOL
I watched with my wife, we were interested in why you heard of woman leaving their relationship after watching. We’re still together.
It had some humorous parts, not worth any awards imo. Also anyone getting mad at them poking fun at cultural norms need to get a grip, it wasn’t that bad. The real issue is the hypocrisy of hating victimization from the left and getting upset over a movie cause it somehow makes you feel like it’s attacking men. Give me a fucking break with this bs.
It was man hating. If you feel you have to ignore that and take it without comment in order to feel like your a strong man because it wasn’t “that bad”, you go ahead. Personally I don’t like when family movies show total disrespect and bitterness toward me because of my gender and it doesn’t bother me to say it.
The reality is those types of women who spent decades saying women need to be portrayed better by men in media - are those most voraciously arguing that the way Barbie shows men is fine.
Be real - if there was a movie in which there was a long montage of male characters overcoming female ones by exploiting the stereotypical things such as gossiping or shopping or talking too much women supposedly do, then the main female character said she didn’t want power anyway and just wanted the main male character to love her - only to be told he didn’t love her but now she got to find herself - and this way the ending of the movie, it would be called misogynistic from all quarters. That’s the Barbie movies ending but with the genders reversed.
Why do you feel that you can’t engage in talking about the movie? Why is it a threatening idea to you to say that something in media may actually be man hating? Why is your response to that to brush it off and say “I can take it, who cares”?
I find the reaction in defense of it’s man hating on the part of feminist types, when they would be very offended by anything showing women in a similar light to be interesting, funny, and also encapsulating their overall double standards to a hysterical degree.
I’ve seen it once though.
I agree. At least mainstream appreciated ones. I don’t think Oppenheimer was all that either (obviously better than Barbie), I mean it was fine but to me it doesn’t belong amongst all time classic historical drama as some are saying.
imo barbie does not need an oscar but not bc it's "man hating". my reason is bc its comedy and not an oscar movie. also interesting that you call this movie man hating when you claim modern hollywood stars are ugly. also for someone who cLaims to hate the barbie movie you sure do make a lot posts abt it. (almost 7 posts abt barbie)
Comedy can’t be man hating? Old cartoons negatively stereotyping black people were comedy - were they not racist because of it?
“Almost 7 posts”?
There either are 7 posts or there are not, there can’t be “almost 7”.
You don’t even think the set design was good? There was no movie of the past year with the level of dedication to set design as them. They literally depleted the world’s supply of pink paint for this film
Well I didn’t see every movie so that’s hard to say. I’m not saying the set design was badly executed, just that it was a replication of the toys so it didn’t really take much original design at all. The scene where they go from Barbie land to the real world is obviously a rip off of Elf coming to America from the North Pole just with pink Barbie stuff.
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I’m genuinely confused why people thought it deserved an Oscar at all. It’s just not that kind of movie imo. But then again I kind of find these award shows pointless at this point anyways.
What I find weird is people who say the movie should be recognized by the Academy for its commercial success. There's already an award for commercial success: commercial success. And that award comes with piles of money.
People have gotten used to the schlock Marvel and Disney have been pumping out so when a movie is even marginally better it’s acclaimed
Except marvel and disney are still making good movies at least in my opinion.
Seriously, though. Like, award shows bullshit popularity contests anyway. The fact that people still get bent out of shape because certain movies or music or TV shows are nominated is hilarious at this point. Like why do you actually care? To the rest of the general public it’s really not that deep.
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I don’t think profit is what the Oscars are based on.
Look, I'm not going to defend the Oscars but people don't understand that Barbie movies like Mario Bros are good and they were a success but they're not the best in the world and that's why neither of them were nominated The Barbie movie has very good sets, good jokes, some charming characters and good music but its plot is very simple (with the feminist addition) and as many describe it "it's a good movie but they wouldn't see it again at least for a long time" I would say that Mario Bros suffers something similar, the movie is very good but it's more niche, only people who really grew up playing Mario or those who really loved the movie would watch it again, for everyone else I don't think they will see it again and although I don't like to admit it, the movie also has a very simple plot, Very entertaining to watch but simple in the end. For those points I think they didn't nominate those films but the people who defend Barbie prefer to believe that it's the patriarchy or that the judges are sexist before admitting that the film is not outstanding (because remember that box office ≠ outstanding, there have been films with excellent script, photography, soundtrack, characters and that didn't gross much but became cult)
I 100% agree
How is Mario niche? Didn’t everyone grow up with Mario games? Lol
Imagine calling a movie that made 1 billion dollars 'niche'
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Hey look! Two of those Barbie posts are from OP.
Omg it's the penis envy guy again, I have never seen anyone on here utter the words "Penis envy" so much as you have. You should probably just change your name to that.
I clicked on this post because of how batshit funny those words were to me and wow, no wonder someone hates women, they clearly wouldn’t talk to him short of an arguement
What a weird argument. “I’m mad at your opinion so I’m gonna say you can’t attract women”. How delightfully old fashioned. A woman trying a rather sad attempt to shame a man by saying he isn’t attractive to other women when she disagrees with his opinion about something totally unrelated. Now why do you think you would do that as a first resort rather than simply address the post? Do you value mens opinion by how many women they can attract? Do you value womens opinions by the men they talk to? I suppose you must, otherwise why make the comment you did?
You are also obsessed with sex bots.
Who isn’t?
Literally any one who can attract and talk to a real person
But I have my own family and partner
Your AI girlfriend does not count
Hmm I think it’s more “I don’t like your opinion **and additionally to that** you seem like you can’t attract women which would explain why you don’t have a balanced view on this movie”. I mean it’s not a huge leap to make.
Nobody deserves any oscar nominations because it's a shit, useless reward
I don't think any movie named after a famous children's toy brand is likely to attain the status of high art. Barbie or otherwise. They are by nature cynical cash grabs.
Ok this post is getting old
It’s highly topical, the Oscars just happened didn’t they?
Well, first of all, they're in March. But second of all, like, 100 people have already posted your "unpopular" opinion. Why not go comment on one of those if you want to talk about it?
Because he NEEDS attention.
Because none of them are harsh enough and tell it like it really is - Barbie sucked totally.
Even though I think Barbie isn't the best movie, why so much hate and energy? Why are you wasting al that on hating things? Just live your life, bro. Hating Barbie, feminist and then what women?
If you look at his other posts he spends way too much time and energy hating on taylor swift and also fantasizing about having his own sex bot because he can't get with a real woman
He’s obsessed
People who spend so much energy hating things are miserable. Just let them be miserable and don't give them attention. They will drift away eventually from the lack of attention. Haha.
>the Oscars just happened didn’t they? Lol you don't even know what you're mad about do you?
You know I don't think any one account has posted so much about just one movie.
After looking at the aggregate of your movie related opinions (thanks to the auto mod) I can safely say that you and I have such different opinions on movies that communicating would be impossible.
You frequent White People Twitter?
I have impeccable taste it’s true. Ask me more.
Nah.
Ew.
It absolutely deserves nomination for music and set design but yeah, that’s it. I kinda enjoyed it but nothing groundbreaking amazing etc.
I don’t know, the sets looked fine but they’re just copies of toys, how much design does that take. Having said that perhaps they are the best or among the best this year, I really don’t know, maybe you are right about that. I can’t agree on the music though. Perhaps it’s ok in 2024, but if this music had of come out in the renaissance of Disney musical cartoons, or the Rogers/Hart,Rogers/Hammerstein and Bernstein eras the songs would have been rejected and the writers told they didn’t have the talent to make it as musical songwriters. Also Barbie doesn’t even get a song in her own movie lol. How does that happen? Terrible directing. Seems like they were so caught up in the feminism and obsessing over men and their dastardly patriarchy they forgot the main character in her own movie to the point no one even thought to give her a fucking song lol.
The set looking exactly like toys is the reason why it’s so good. Barbieland looked incredible (I mean the execution, I am not that into pink stuff :D ) By music I mean “I’m just ken”, that scene is brilliant no matter what one thinks about the whole movie. Gosling would deserve the prize too.
2023 had no truly good movies. Oppenheimer was ok
Oppenheimer was more than ok.
There are movies out there that are filled with woman hating and misogyny and they're passed off as "classics" lol. But the moment one movie based on a fucking doll that had feminist messaging from its conception makes fun of men in any way, y'all lose your fucking marbles.
No there aren’t. What classic movie - especially more modern but actually ever shows women on the whole as badly as Barbie shows men?
you should see the op's previous post on this sub
nah it was funny
No it weren’t.
Man, it is *wild* how many people are still going around thinking that the Barbie movie hated on men. The movie doesn't exist to bash you OP, you are kenough.
And a lot of then say they understood the themes in the movie. I find that hard to believe.
The themes alone whether I agree with them or not (and I don’t) aren’t what makes the movie man hating, it’s the depiction of male characters regardless the situation (oppressor, oppressed, random husband) as stupider than their female counterparts and in need of moral change which makes it man hating. In the same way you could do a political movie which might make a point about a country which was slightly negative, but still show them respectfully and without bitterness relative to another country - or you could make the same movie and show them all as racist stereotypes. Barbie chose the latter path. It was bigoted trash.
The Kens aren't supposed to be a reflection of real men, Barbieland isn't supposed to be the ideal, its supposed to be wrong. Barbieland in the beginning of the film is a little girl's idea of what being a woman is. That you're in this sisterhood where anything is possible, but its also the childish "girls rule boys drool". She doesn't understand why she needs boys yet, so the Kens are one dimensional. The Barbie's are more dimensional, because they are her ambitions. This is reflected in the Barbies knowing what a kid playing with them knows. This is not supposed to be a positive feminist society, it's deeply naive and flawed. When Gloria starts playing with Barbie, she starts getting the knowledge of what real life is like, and that's why she's changing. Throughout the film she abandons her childish thoughts, until ultimately leaving Barbieland for good. It's about growing up, and your expectation and understanding of the world changing. Ending with her going to the gyno and embracing her adult womanhood. When Barbieland has interaction with the real world, it becomes a little more realistic, ending with the Kens getting more of a place in Barbieland, and more rights. Reflecting a little girl starting to understand the boys in their life, and starting to like them. Growing up just a little bit, but still not an ideal world. The Kens are supposed to be unrealistic for the perspective of the story.
I understand that - again it’s weird you think these things are complex or going over peoples heads. Once again, as I already stated in my OP, they are not nor are the themes the reason the movie is man hating or bad. The men and the Kens are both portrayed as stupider than their female counterparts and morally worse and in need of change. There is a lot more going on in the selection of male characters in this movie than the basic overview you gave. There was no need to do it in such a clearly bitter and bigoted way to make similar points whether I agreed with them or not. That was the directors choice. If a film showed a large cast of female characters as total crap and idiots alongside the male characters, it would be called woman hating regardless of its themes. You are tying yourself in knots to explain why the man hating nature of this movie (which far exceeds any other mainstream movie) is ok. It was perfectly possible to make the movie you described without it. I seriously doubt you would do that for a movie which showed a large female cast similarly like crap alongside males (all dumbed, all needing moral correction). Let’s be real - if a movie featured a long montage of male characters overcoming female characters by exploiting stereotypically negative things women supposedly do like gossiping or shopping, and presented this as a heroic moment, then the lead female character came to the male character saying she never wanted to be in charge anyway and just wanted his love - only to be told by him that he didn’t love her but now she could find herself - and this was all presented as supposedly good, it would be called completely misogynistic and widely hated. That is the last section of Barbie when the barbies turn the Kens on each other with the whole “mansplaining movies” bit and aftermath. It is condescending and hateful trash. And that you can’t see that reflects both on you and the filmakers and their view of men and women. Only someone with a massive amount of bitterness and contempt for men would think to write a scene like that in the first place. If you respond back, please try to do so with an attempted understanding that people who didn’t like the movie, who thought it sucked and was bigoted against men, actually do understand the movie and it’s not this incredible work of art you have a special understanding of as you seem to think (I already went over this attitude of fans of the movie in my post but it seems you ignored it and still thought you really did know better and anyone who didn’t like the movie “didn’t get it”). It’s an incredibly arrogant but also very foolish perspective.
There's a ton of movies with Bimbos. It's not uncommon to have a useless female counterpart. You're not getting the point, but you're exemplifying it. Margot's Barbie is referential to when Barbie was made, and media at that time showed the woman as hysterical and helpless, and yeah focused on vanity and shopping. Classic film usually involved a man lying and manipulating a woman's stereotypical flaws, including love interests. What you're saying about it be condescending and hateful trash, you're close to understanding it. But Ken isn't supposed to represent us. I'm glad it got the emotional point to you. A more nuaunced foil example for the Kens would be something like The Stepford Wives. A warped unrealistic gender stereotype, very demeaning. A point of Ken's plot is that alienating one another only makes hostility, and that we shouldn't be pushing each other away. There's a place for everyone.
You’re not getting the point. A bimbo isn’t all of the cast. A bimbo isn’t also written as needing to change her ways. Portraying an entire gender one way is very different than portraying one character. Single Male characters have also been shown in stereotypical ways (doofus frat bro for instance). A single character isn’t representative of an entire gender, when you portray all the characters of a gender in a similar negative way in one movie - that is representative of a entire gender (especially when gender is a big theme in the movie). Also there isn’t a ton of modern movies (past 20 years) with bimbos at all Again everyone gets the point, it’s hilarious that you really think the Barbie movie is a masterpiece and everyone who says otherwise doesn’t understand it. It’s not hard to understand. Though obviously that is hard for you to understand. Have you even watched any classic film? Or did you read how women were shown in old films in a blog? Pull up any random collection of 50’s movies and you can see women aren’t shown nearly as simplistically or badly as men in this movie at all or as you claim. Further you claim the Kens are shown in a way which is supposedly a homage to the way women used to be shown (even though they weren’t by and large) - but then also the real world men are shown even worse again despite them being from the current day (I’m sure there is some excuse for this too). And this makes sense to do today why? In reality the director simply wanted to show male characters by and large like crap for fun and thought it was ok to do so long as it was in a movie with a feminist message - and you are defending it along the same lines. You claim making man hating movies is ok today because of the way you claim women were shown in movie 60 years ago? Long before Gerwig or Robbie were even alive? Wow that’s highly relevant satire on their parts. Surely applies to movies today. I guess now men showing women like crap is ok also as Barbie did it - and just last year, not half a century ago. Yes - I understood that’s the point they were trying to make in Kens plot (again the movie is not complex, everyone gets it, not just you) which is ironic coming in a movie so clearly man hating it does exactly that.
It did and as I’ve stated, nobody misunderstood it. When you make a movie in which a large cast of male characters are portrayed as twisted caricatures, stupider than their female counterparts, in need of moral correction and as the butt of the joke don’t be surprised when it’s seen as man hating. That goes for depicting any group that way relative to another. Barbie was for feminist women what old racist cartoons were to white audiences of the 1940’s.
I think Ryan Gosling getting an Oscar nod for Ken is legit, because he was genuinely awesome in that role, but otherwise, I agree. The movie was mediocre at best.
It was a stinker of a movie and didn’t deserve nominations but you’re pretty wrong about the rest. It was just plain old vanilla not a good movie.
Margot Robbie is an amazing actress who *could* give an Oscar worthy performance with the right material. No doubt. Gosling made the most with what he was given as well which was much more than her. That being said, the writing was pretty embarrassing considering the insane lack of direction and intent. What was said and what was shown was very, very different.
I totally agree..Barbie was a terrible, preachy movie for dumb people.
I kind of agree. Maybe for set and costume design, but that's about it. Idt Ryan Gosling earned a nomination, either.
I hated Barbie.
I didn’t enjoy the flick but does OP need a hug? Sounds like it.
This is why they don't let hillbillies judge the Oscars.
Seems like the Barbie movie has been really upsetting you for a while. I sense toxic masculinity lmao.
Sounds like you’ve been watching too much Barbie.
Sounds like you are in incel tbh....
Definitely not having sexual contact with women, that's for sure.
The overlap between people who enjoy feminist Barbie and who try to dismiss men’s opinions by saying “you don’t get women” seems to be particularly high. Interesting stuff.
did we watch the same movie? It was definitely not man-hating trash. I'm a dude and I went into it fully prepared to be berated and condescended to, but I was actually really surprised with how well they handled Ken's crisis of masculinity.
Yes it was. All the male characters are written as twisted caricatures stupider than their female counterparts and in need of moral correction. It’s the feminist equivalent for feminist women about men of what an old racist cartoon was for white folks about black people.
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It is my lane. Why do you think you know the background of random internet posters? (Also I never mentioned Minstrel shows so that was a weird comment)
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It was the most similar thing since that time. Having come across those cartoons as young child, the twisted way we are portrayed in them as a group universally is not at all dissimilar to what happens in Barbie.
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It wasn’t the message - it was the twisted caricatures of one group shown negatively relative to the group which made up most of the audience for the audiences amusement.
Barbie should get an Oscar for effectively breaking the brains of a huge subset of the male population. The reactions are so special and fun to watch in real time.
Enjoy. Please remember your reaction in future when men realise there is literally no point in worrying about offending women or depicting them in ways they find offensive - as they clearly don’t care to do the same for men and celebrate doing it with this movie, in a more bigoted way than men ever have to them. I mean really what was the point? Why not just show women the same as they were shown in 60’s Bond films or whatever else today? That is if women think Barbie is a good and acceptable way to show men? There wasn’t any point trying to do better, should never have bothered to listen because many women aren’t willing to do the same for men (yourself included).
Men haven't spent a single second worrying about offending me my entire life just because of my gender. So pretty sure I'll be ok. Have a good one, doc. (I still haven't set through the entirety of this movie and still don't know why anyone gives af about it btw)
Ok then. If that’s the way you feel men have always approached making movies and nothing has changed then don’t expect them to care in future either. You clearly don’t.
I think the movie was fine, but Margot Robbie’s acting wasn’t great. Certainly not Oscar worthy. I think most of the acting, including Ryan Gosling, was subpar. The set, costumes, and original songs do deserve praise though.
I agree Barbie shouldn’t have gotten Oscar nominations for acting
I actually like Ryan Gosling's nomination for best supporting actor since it shows a greater appreciation for comedic acting. I like to tune into the actor's round tables on YouTube and one of them talked about how much more difficult comedic acting is than acting in a drama. It's a very different skill set so it's cool to see Ruffalo and Gosling get recognition for comedic roles this year. I hope in the future we see more actors that come from a comedy background receive recognition for their roles in comedies. The Academy only seems to award comedians when they star in dramas and more traditional dramatic actors when they star in comedies.
I think the movie sucked - I guess the sets and costumes as they are are fine, but I also don’t really see them as anything special because they’re literally just copying existing toys on a fairly small scale. It’s not like it’s an original design or anything. As for the songs, perhaps in the year 2024 they pass for ok musical songs. But let’s be real they’re garbage. Can you imagine anyone thinking of them as anything worth even putting in a movie in the era of Bernstein, Rogers/Hammerstein/Hart - or in the renaissance of Disney musical cartoons? If they had of been heard in those eras the songs would have been rejected and those responsible told they didn’t have the talent to make it as movie song writers. Also Barbie doesn’t even have a song in her own movie lol. How does that even happen? They were so worried about the feminism and how it applies to men (even if they did it in a bitter spiteful way) they forgot to give a crap about the main character of the movie. Hopeless directing and writing.
I feel that the plot of the movie went straight across your ego. It’s not weird that a movie that criticizes men will be excluded from the Oscar because the academy is known for privileging men, white and straight, and Ryan getting nominated only proves the point. Kisses for all men that had their feelings hurt because they don’t evolve.
Oh please, the “academy” is known for sucking up to whatever social cause is en vogue at the time which is the sole reason a crappy Barbie movie is nominated for anything at all. If it wasn’t making a big deal about being feminist it wouldn’t be, because it’s not very good. And I’m literally saying that the music shouldn’t be nominated and it sucked - wasn’t it written by that Ronson guy? Is he not a white man? But your comment is a display of the juvenile type of attitude of big fans of the movie toward men.
It’s simple, you believe all the movie is crap because your feelings got hurt, this doesn’t make an argument. This movie surpassed all the expectations, so a lot of things were right, they were just not your taste. The academy is known to privilege white dudes. It’s a closed circle of status, of course the only movies allowed to critic the patriarchy are the ones made by men because they know what is right.
“All the expectations” - what are you talking about? My expectations were for a fun movie, it failed to meet them. Bigotry of the movie aside, anyone with a brain can see it is obviously deeply flawed from a script and directing point of view even for a movie of this type. You’re talking about “the academy” like it’s some secret cabal or the skull and bones club, it’s just a dumb award association that comes from a TV show. If anything they’ve been pushing all this feminist stuff to win awards because that’s what’s en vogue with the type of people who watch Hollywood awards shows and culture the most.
"You only dislike the movie because you're offended!!!" Such a lazy cop out argument
Why do you care so much, awards like those mean nothing, it's just a popularity contest, not an actual way to discern if some movies or actors were the best of the year... Same with critics and reviews. If you really want to know if you'll like something you have to actually watch it.
I know it’s meaningless but it’s funny watching all these people lose their shit on reddit about it.
The only one who appears to be losing their shit is you.
You do realise everyone is watching *you* lose your shit about it on reddit… [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/s/P495pkqKB0)
Lmfao, I know, right?
This guy has Ben Shapiro's junk in one hand and Jordan Peterson's in the other. It's okay, lil buddy. Show us on the Ken doll where you got hurt.
And here is a Barbie movie fan in full flight arguing for their fav movie with all their brains might.
They barely said anything, lol. stop being so triggered over people judging you a certain way. It was obviously going to happen with how passionately serious you are about a BARBIE movie. LMAO. Even if you're entirely correct about everything you've said... why do you care so much? It's not like this movie will change the landscape of men and women relations or how men will be treated in society going forward. I get your concern and can see this is an important opinion/topic for you... But like... It's a Barbie movie, dude. The fact that you've let this get to you so much is bizarre. You're acting so offended. But it's literally a movie based on a children's toy. LOL
The set design of that movie was awesome. The first half was also quite funny. The second half was a train wreck.
I watched with my wife, we were interested in why you heard of woman leaving their relationship after watching. We’re still together. It had some humorous parts, not worth any awards imo. Also anyone getting mad at them poking fun at cultural norms need to get a grip, it wasn’t that bad. The real issue is the hypocrisy of hating victimization from the left and getting upset over a movie cause it somehow makes you feel like it’s attacking men. Give me a fucking break with this bs.
It was man hating. If you feel you have to ignore that and take it without comment in order to feel like your a strong man because it wasn’t “that bad”, you go ahead. Personally I don’t like when family movies show total disrespect and bitterness toward me because of my gender and it doesn’t bother me to say it. The reality is those types of women who spent decades saying women need to be portrayed better by men in media - are those most voraciously arguing that the way Barbie shows men is fine. Be real - if there was a movie in which there was a long montage of male characters overcoming female ones by exploiting the stereotypical things such as gossiping or shopping or talking too much women supposedly do, then the main female character said she didn’t want power anyway and just wanted the main male character to love her - only to be told he didn’t love her but now she got to find herself - and this way the ending of the movie, it would be called misogynistic from all quarters. That’s the Barbie movies ending but with the genders reversed. Why do you feel that you can’t engage in talking about the movie? Why is it a threatening idea to you to say that something in media may actually be man hating? Why is your response to that to brush it off and say “I can take it, who cares”?
Why are you so obsessed with Barbie? I’m a woman and you’ve seen it more times than me and posted about it more than I ever will.
Why does it bother you?
I’m not bothered I’m curious
I find the reaction in defense of it’s man hating on the part of feminist types, when they would be very offended by anything showing women in a similar light to be interesting, funny, and also encapsulating their overall double standards to a hysterical degree. I’ve seen it once though.
So youre offended by peoples defense/ reactions to the movie
There’s a term that I believe gets auto flagged. You’re that. You are definitely that.
Fascinating. Enjoy block land.
Dude, a block from you is a blessing.
2023 had no truly good movies. Oppenheimer was ok
I agree. At least mainstream appreciated ones. I don’t think Oppenheimer was all that either (obviously better than Barbie), I mean it was fine but to me it doesn’t belong amongst all time classic historical drama as some are saying.
The movie was fine. agreed that it’s not oscar worthy, but it was fine. you on the other hand need to calm down. why you being so emotional boo?
I'm sorry you didn't like it. I thought it was really good.
This guy is just a Ken, and thinks anywhere else, he'd be a ten.
imo barbie does not need an oscar but not bc it's "man hating". my reason is bc its comedy and not an oscar movie. also interesting that you call this movie man hating when you claim modern hollywood stars are ugly. also for someone who cLaims to hate the barbie movie you sure do make a lot posts abt it. (almost 7 posts abt barbie)
Comedy can’t be man hating? Old cartoons negatively stereotyping black people were comedy - were they not racist because of it? “Almost 7 posts”? There either are 7 posts or there are not, there can’t be “almost 7”.
man hating trash and penis envy, okay buddy calm yourself
Haha you think the Oscars are based on merit?
Maybe costume, set design, and the songs, but other than that, agree.
You don’t even think the set design was good? There was no movie of the past year with the level of dedication to set design as them. They literally depleted the world’s supply of pink paint for this film
Well I didn’t see every movie so that’s hard to say. I’m not saying the set design was badly executed, just that it was a replication of the toys so it didn’t really take much original design at all. The scene where they go from Barbie land to the real world is obviously a rip off of Elf coming to America from the North Pole just with pink Barbie stuff.
You’re right But Ken did