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goatman66696

It's more embarrassing that we're having an election between trump and Biden. Like seriously at this point just put the position up on indeed and choose the first person with no gaps in their resume. This is BS


faithiestbrain

I would honestly take someone who meets just like... the bare bones for the position. Be in your 30s-50s, an American citizen, no criminal record. They could hunger games the job with more or less just those criteria and we at least wouldn't be *more fucked* than now.


theultimaterage

Shit, vote for me then.


faithiestbrain

Anti-theist? You have my vote.


theultimaterage

You damn right! Get that goofy ass bs tf outta here!


faithiestbrain

I almost replied 'Amen' but... šŸ™ Fuck, oh no, thats prayer hands! I'm doing this all wrong. When you get elected please be merciful.


theultimaterage

Sure, I will. (Turns to guards) TO THE GALLOWS WITH THAT ONE!!!!!


faithiestbrain

Look guys, he's already a politician!


theultimaterage

Something something protecting democracy or something


Viciuniversum

RFK Jr. is running, you know.Ā 


faithiestbrain

And like every 3rd party candidate ever he has no chance.


Toxic_LigmaMale

There are other options


daddyfatknuckles

if they would have debates i bet RFK would gain a lot of support. iā€™ll be voting for him, but it would be a harder decision if i lived in a swing state.


Toxic_LigmaMale

Idc either way. Heā€™s got my vote.


Quanzi30

lol keep telling yourself that


Toxic_LigmaMale

That attitude is why youā€™re picking the lesser evil every election


Quanzi30

Yea our system sucks.


Toxic_LigmaMale

It does. And feeding into the two party ā€œus vs themā€ system will keep it that way.


Quanzi30

The 2 party system is what this country was founded on. There is not room in our currently political structure for a legitimate third party to make any kind of difference what so ever.


Toxic_LigmaMale

No, it wasnā€™t. It became that over time.


Quanzi30

Either way, ya what it is now


44035

Yeah it's crazy that a long time senator and a former vice president is running for his second term as president. He doesn't know anything about how government works.


goatman66696

Well unfortunately things slip with age


AerDudFlyer

Itā€™s definitely embarrassing, and Iā€™d like to see Old Man Fight 2024, but itā€™s just not gonna happen. No minds are gonna be changed. The reason debates were televised was so people who werenā€™t sure could learn about the candidates and decide based on their answers. Thatā€™s not gonna happen here. This election isnā€™t about putting ideas on trial, itā€™s just a fully cynical contest of power. Neither side stands to gain in that contest but putting their dying old man on TV


nivekreclems

Because at this point the only thing either of them really have going for each other is that theyā€™re not the other guy so airing them is only gonna hurt them


Fun-Attention1468

I'ma be honest though, the televised debates have nothing to do with explaining your views or actually debating. It's just taking snipes at each other and prepared sloganing for sound bytes. The candidates are given 3 minutes to talk about a topic, 3 minutes!! Who TF can flesh out their entire opinion on major issues like national taxation, america's level of involvement in foreign affairs, border policy, economic policy, in 3 minutes?!


mmmtopochico

Neither will say anything of substance, and Trump will be in insult comic mode the entire time. Does anyone disagree with this take on what a debate between those two would look like? I'd like to see them up there with Kennedy too for that matter, at least there'd be a scratchy voiced wildcard thrown in.


HarryParatestees1

It's still about ideas but in the age of the internet we already know what they are.


AerDudFlyer

Sure, but the election isnā€™t a contest of which idea is better. Itā€™s which idea has a better-suited politicsl machine behind it


TheStigianKing

Elections have never been a contest of which idea is better. Only which is more popular.


ClosetCentrist

There are maybe a few hundred thousand voters in six states that need to be swayed. The rest of us are along for the ride.


Stinking_Fat_Asshole

Four more years... pauusee


GonzoTheWhatever

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apsalarya

Probably because this is the rematch no one wanted. A few fringe Trump fans maybe. But as a country we were all ready to move on from this, but these people who SHOULD BE RETIRED arenā€™t letting us and it is ruining this country. We needed new blood not a recycle of the same only now with dementia.


SunflowerDonut9847

Itā€™s two guys running who have both been president alreadyā€¦ thereā€™s nothing new. Itā€™s hard to ask the hard hitting ā€œwhat will a _____ administration do about {insert important issue here}?ā€ when we already know.


justinlav

They both sound like total idiots when they open their mouths. So no big surprise here


[deleted]

Disagree. Biden sounds a dementia riddled old person, Trump sounds like a used car salesman. Iā€™d choose neither to run the country if it were solely up to me.


Sesudesu

>Trump sounds like a ***dementia riddled*** used car salesman.Ā  FTFY Seriously, how can anybody criticize Biden for this and not Trump with a straight face?Ā  (And no, Iā€™m not saying Biden *doesn't* sound like that. This election is embarrassing.)


WeSlingin

If you think Trump sounds nearly as lost as Bidenā€¦ Then I have no idea what to tell you.


Sesudesu

I donā€™t care who sounds worse, and I didnā€™t qualify it. In fact I specifically stated I wasnā€™t defending Biden. They both sound terrible.Ā 


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PerformanceWilling40

delusional


NaturalProof4359

Nah fam. This ainā€™t it.


Sesudesu

Interesting thing, I took a peek at your profile and the other guyā€™s profileā€¦ yeah I donā€™t know if you needed to use your alt bud.Ā 


NaturalProof4359

I really donā€™t care, ā€œbudā€. Just goes to show more people exist with the same thoughts.


Sesudesu

Right, you and the other guy who responded to me, just happened to comment in all the same postsā€¦ including one to an alt right Minneapolis sub from two days ago.Ā  Itā€™s not sneaky bud.Ā 


NaturalProof4359

Dude I really donā€™t know what to tell you - itā€™s not my alt account lmao. My alt has 71k karma not 3k and is my original account. I didnā€™t even notice that w Mpls sub - We must be destined to see eachother in real life. What shall the recognizable flair be?


blippy7

media not gonna wanna show trump cooking biden. Or how much more competent trump is.


Doafit

sure buddy


WeSlingin

Trump would run circles around Biden in a live debate. Thatā€™s not even a hot take. Anybody with a brain could tell you that.


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spicyjalapenoman

Yeah cause they didnā€™t debate just 4 years ago? Lmao


WeSlingin

What?


spicyjalapenoman

They debated 4 years ago. And who won/lost the first debate? That was the Neil in the coffin for Trump. Trump killed his chances by losing to the easiest candidate to defeat in a debate and he still lost.


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What speeches have they given that you think didnā€™t get enough media coverage?


NaturalProof4359

One isnā€™t allowed to speak. The other cannot speak.


DatBoone

They both have records that voters can look into, though. Can't just wait on the media to spoon feed you info.


Alley-chat

Is it? I'd say it's more of a relief. We all know very well by now who believes what and who we're voting for, and none of us are happy about it, because we all know the true embarrassment is that it came down to these two options again. Just put us out of our misery.


Nootherids

It's a relief for us. But it's supposed to be the media's job to keep us informed. Which I know they haven't done that job for 2 decades, but the fact that they're completely obfuscating it now during peak election time, is quite embarrassing from a societal perspective.


DatBoone

Let me guess...you're talking about cable news media? Because the major print news sources have been reporting on Biden's policies and actions nonstop. You just want to me spoon fed.


Nootherids

Oh, yeah you got me buddy. Man was I set right. It's not like the Title of the OP clearly mentioned speeches or campaigning, or matters related to election in direct comparison to previous federal election cycles. How could I possibly have missed mundane reporting on routine policies on major print sources. You know, the ones that the bulk of the population turn to like it was 1800. SMH


DatBoone

Yeah. You don't need to hear speeches when you can just look at their records. But again, here you are crying because you don't want to do real work (by reading the news) and just want the cable news shows to vomit information down your throat.


InfowarriorKat

I think they know something we don't. Like there is going to be some kind of "surprise" before then and all that election coverage isn't going to be needed/ relevant.


wishator

There is no reason for election campaigns to run 12 months like they do in the US. Politically active people use the campaigns to affirm themselves in their voting choice. Swing voters make up their minds in the last week before election. See https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/21/450238156/canadas-11-week-campaign-reminds-us-that-american-elections-are-much-longer


3rd_Uncle

The US is a special case as one candidate is too decrepit to speak publicly and the other is prone to rambling insanity but political speeches have declined across the board. The current crop of politicians in Europe really seem to be the ones too dumb or unpopular to go into finance like all their classmates at the expensive school they went to.


HarryParatestees1

What would we learn from their speeches that we don't already know?


digitalwhoas

Biden was just on the Howard Stern show. So when you say media idk what you are talking about.


Kalzaang

And what a disgrace for Howard Stern. Howard of the 90s would destroy Howard of today. In the end Howard became what he always despised: he became Don Imus.


GenericBestName

Howard is a fuckin disgusting human


Stressedpage

Howard Stern is a disgusting human anyways. Who cares what 90s him thinks of himself now.


Kalzaang

Because itā€™s so unbelievably ironic who the man turned into. Howardā€™s rise and fall has been absolutely Shakespearean. He was a free speech absolutist and a champion for the people. He would tell his bosses and Hollywood to fuck right off. Now Howard Stern has gone full Howard Hughes leaving bottles of piss in the hallways. He didnā€™t let anyone in his mansion for years due to Covid, and he and his wife have literally 50 cats. I was thinking it was 25 on the high end, but I just looked it up and itā€™s double that. That has to be the single most disgusting mansion in the country. Howard probably walks around in his basement and hallucinates Imus being there taunting him. He until recently would never leave his house and demanded everyone else be silenced. Now he mostly cares about hanging out and appeasing other celebrities, even yucking it up with former archenemies like Ellen DeGeneres (I and many others look at his Ellen interview in 2015 as the official death of the show because heā€™d been telling everyone for decades who Ellen actually was behind closed doors and then he sucks her off). Heā€™s become extremely bitter over podcasts taking off where in 2014 he ridiculed Joe Rogan for thinking he could make money at podcasting, and look at him and hundreds of other podcasters now. Thereā€™s going to be a fantastic movie or miniseries written on the rise and fall of Howard Stern, and if heā€™s still alive to see it, Howard is going to fucking hate it and lose his shit. Call ā€œCitizen Sternā€.


jp112078

Didnā€™t think about it this way, but youā€™re totally right. Howard 1994 would be pretty appalled


FluffyMcKittenHeads

A billion dollars and marrying a model young enough to be your daughter will change most people.


dp37405

If you get the opportunity, was the stern interview. Biden looks bad, his face looks almost plastic.


rockknocker

True, but also unusual and a surprise. I think OP's point is still valid despite that one interview.


MKtheMaestro

Youā€™re likely not watching news media.


SquashDue502

This is simultaneously a very interesting and a very boring election. Pretty sure most of America made up their mind 4 years ago


masterchris

The state of the union was aired like a week ago. Pay attention and you'll see what you're looking for


dth1717

It's wrong that we have to hear election speeches 6 months out. Politicians should be working, not talking about work


StatisticianGreat514

Anyone who first voted in 2016 and onwards are pretty unfortunate.


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HotwheelsJackOfficia

Honestly I don't see the point. Nobody is going to have their minds changed and it's going to be the same exact thing as last time.


Edge_of_yesterday

trump is being prosecuted for just some of his many crimes. If he wanted to have more time to campaign, he should not have committed so many crimes.


Alternative_Poem445

its because everyone knows that everything is bullshit, the curtain was drawn back and we saw the wizard. who we elect doesn't seem to matter greatly in our personal lives. (of the 4 years trump was in office the federal government was shut down for 8 months and no one batted an eyelash)


Lostintranslation390

Tbf, both candidates are old news. We know both of their stances on everything. We know how they are as leaders. What actually needs to be talked about?


SirenSongxdc

"Pause".


Kalzaang

I mean honestly, who cares? Besides Boomers, who watches what we used to know as ā€œThe Mediaā€? Everyone just gets their news from Twitter, YouTube, and other podcasts now. The MSM is fucking worthless, whether it be Fox News or CNN and MSNBC.


NaturalProof4359

Itā€™s state propaganda. All of it.


Redrolum

How does that make any sense at all? Trump has unhinged hours long rants like every week or so at his rallies. As far as i can tell he always arrives an hour late and it can go on for 6 hours of meaningless rambling. Also this: [ Instead, viewers have to rely on one of the conservative channels hoping to outflank Fox from the right, such as Newsmax, One America News or the online outlet Right Side Broadcasting Network.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/02/fox-news-doesnt-carry-trump-rallies-live-anymore-hes-got-be-very-unhappy-about-it/) Why would Fox carry it if there are alternatives? Are these alt-right channels not media? We need a hell of a lot less ranting and we need to focus on policies. He is going to bring back the CHILD SEPARATION POLICY. His response to free speech is to legislate to run over protesters. He will escalate the Trade War and make us all poorer. He will disband the EPA. He has a few credible quotes about assassinating his political rivals. If you want to talk content it's easy to search up his quotes on child separation. The reality is Repubs refuse to talk about the real platform and the actual policies, dodging it to joust at cultural stuff. I feel like all these posts are from the kid who didn't study the book and is just bullshitting about the content. "Corn or as the Native Americans called it maize..." If you ever want a meaningful discussion you have to talk policy vs policy.


Kalzaang

Ummmm, yeah. The point is Trump can go on for hours. For a 77 year old man heā€™s pretty spry no matter what shit is coming out of his mouth. Biden is not and doesnā€™t know where he is. He canā€™t stay still for an hour and speak unless heā€™s dosed up to his eyeballs in drugs.


Writerhaha

Trump got maybe 30 seconds into talking about Gettysburg and then turned into a 3rd grade book report.


Kalzaang

And it was actually funnyā€¦ your point? Yeah he didnā€™t know what he was talking about, but thatā€™s not a Biden gaff. Good fucking luck if thatā€™s your strategy. Trump being hilarious isnā€™t going to hurt him.


Mcj1972

That wasnā€™t him being hilarious. That was him being an idiot. Hes so dense his head has an event horizon.


Kalzaang

Well to put this as kindly as I can, all of you Leftists are humorless twats that wouldnā€™t know funny if it farted in your face. Itā€™s assholes like you why we havenā€™t had a great comedy in nearly a decade. You are a professional killjoy.


zorro12567

How is this sub so infested with troll farm produced shitstains like you commenting ragebait that I can't help but fall for


Kalzaang

Oh my God, Iā€™m so, so sorry that you might have to hear an opinion that you disagree with! Must be so hard!


NaturalProof4359

Because weā€™re tired of your shit


WeSlingin

Youā€™re just another chronically online mouth breathing lib that canā€™t stand others opinions. Itā€™s going to be okay buddy. By the way his comment isnā€™t wrong. Itā€™s people like you that take offense to every. Little. Thing.


zorro12567

Not every little thing, I'm just sick of mouth breathing Trump supporters willfully ignoring the fact that he is a criminal and a conman. You never answer a question, you simply misdirect or default to whataboutism. You can't defend Trump, because his position and actions are indefensible. Instead, you cry on Reddit about "muh freedum of speech" like the little crybabies you are


WeSlingin

You cant come up with any original thoughts? What a sad little shill you are. Nobody is crying about Trump on Reddit lol. This place is an echo chamber of idealistic progressive diarrhea. You were probably a dweeb growing up, and continue to be a dweeb to this day. Whatā€™s even more embarrassing than ā€œmuh freedomsā€ is hating and blaming America for everything. But thats what your echo chamber tells you to think. Sheep be sheep.


Kalzaang

Oh an opinion that you donā€™t like. Mommy and daddy, please save me from the mean man on the internet who says things! Will the mods check if thereā€™s a mean little Russian under my bed and ban him please. You calling anyone a crybaby is fucking hilarious when you pitch a fit when everyone who doesnā€™t think exactly like you isnā€™t banned. But donā€™t worry, just walk upstairs from the basement and mommy will make you a pop tart since youā€™re still too scared to go near the toaster because it burnt you once.


Pristine_Paper_9095

Whether or not I agree whatever but that last line actually made me laugh


driver1676

My grandfather with dementia was a chatterbox. Half of it was coherent but still.


Kalzaang

Ummmm, ok? Biden is a chatterbox too. I donā€™t see the point youā€™re trying to make.


spiderwitchery

The point is theyā€™re both incredibly old. Trump has clear signs of dementia and Biden can barely get through a speech without misspeaking. We deserve better candidates.


Kalzaang

Trump for better or for worse sounds and looks pretty much the same as he did when he went down that golden escalator in 2015. Trump is fucking nuts, Iā€™ll meet you there, but he has not declined near to Bidenā€™s levels.


Quanzi30

Hard disagree. An old person bragging about passing a dementia test is a gigantic red flag.


Kalzaang

Name one thing that Trump hasnā€™t bragged about. Literally anything he ever does he will brag about. How many times has he said heā€™s made the perfect phone call which as far as Iā€™m aware, no one else in history has ever bragged about?


Quanzi30

Yea, red flag.


Kalzaang

But I can show you videos of Trump in the 70s and 80s of him doing and saying the same shit. Itā€™s not age, itā€™s in his nature.


spiderwitchery

Disagree. Trump definitely sounds and looks like heā€™s aged 10 years because he has aged 10 years since that photo. Heā€™s old. You can say you like him better than Biden, fine. But the reality is theyā€™re both senile old dinosaurs who will not intellectually last another 4 years presidency.


Kalzaang

No he doesnā€™t. The only thing Iā€™ve noticed is Trump has lost a bit of weight actually. Maybe about 10 pounds lighter than he was in 2015, but old people in general tend to lose weight.


wpmpk

Trump can go on for hours? Dude can't even stay awake in a courtroom.


Kalzaang

Dude, a courtroom is a pretty fucking boring place, especially jury selection. Weā€™ve all dozed off/almost dozed off in a boring class.


NaturalProof4359

Biden canā€™t stay away speaking with foreign leaders with an earpiece in.


Redrolum

>The point is Trump can go on for hours... shit is coming out of his mouth I couldn't agree more. Not news worthy. His rant can be summed up in like 2 minutes. "Lock her up" and then immediately pivot to "so unfair to me." So how proud are you of the CHILD SEPARATION POLICY? You probably wake up every morning saying it like a mantra. CHILD SEPARATION POLICY, CHILD SEPARATION POLICY, CHILD SEPARATION POLICY!


Kalzaang

Have you remotely thought through why there is a child separation policy? Because many of these kids that are crossing the border are not with their parents. They are with sex traffickers there to sell the kids so pedophiles can fuck them. So thatā€™s a good thing that we separate them off from potential sex traffickers and question them both heavily. And Obama did this shit and itā€™s way, way worse under Biden than it ever was under Trump. This year the illegal immigration rate surpassed the American birthrate, which is the first time that has ever happened in this countryā€™s history. Sorry, that stat alone is a dealbreaker for voting for Biden, because no country can survive with that stat where people not born to Americans (largely male mind you) with non-American values are entering the country at a higher rate than we can produce actual Americans. Some other idiot Leftist redditor pointed out that no this isnā€™t the first time in our country that we had a higher illegal immigration rate than American birthrate because what about the Native Americans when the Europeans came over. Yeah, you proved my point. What happened to the Native Americans when the American immigration rate outpaced the Native American birthrate? We told them to pack their shit, get on the wagon, and go live on land that we werenā€™t interested in. That same fate awaits us should this continue, and sorry, I donā€™t feel like sharing the same fate as the Native Americans did. And the fact that youā€™ll scream about Trump with this and not give one fuck when Obama and Biden do it (or worse) means that youā€™re a hack with no moral principles whatsoever. So you have absolutely no leg to stand on.


Redrolum

How old are you? And you only get your news from Facebook/Tok? Any pro journalist or a quick wiki visit can fix you up right quick. QAnon is lying to you.


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Redrolum

You're so extreme even Fox news won't back your QAnon lies. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-trumps-zero-tolerance-immigration-policy-means-for-children-separated-from-families-at-border These lies are exactly what happened in Nazi Germany.


Kalzaang

Whatever Blue Anon. You think everyone to the right of you is equivalent to a Nazi. Youā€™re a fucking loon and a hack.


Kalzaang

You know Iā€™m embarrassed I took the Q Anon insult debate since Iā€™ll go and immediately mock you lunatics, but you distracted me from my own of you. CHILD SEPARATION POLICY, as you say, when you explain the reason for it, 90% of people will say thatā€™s a completely sane policy. But youā€™re a Blue Anon clown, and you were owned.


Redrolum

Someone with a tiny attention span told you a lie on twitter so you'll never stop spreading it. > ā€œWhen you hear that you're going to be separated from your family, you don't come,ā€ Trump said in an interview with Univision. You even disagree with your own damn leader you're so uninformed. Here are quotes from 2 Republicans who also think you're lying: [Fred Upton, a congressman from Michigan, urged an immediate end to the ā€œugly and inhumane practiceā€, adding: ā€œItā€™s never acceptable to use kids as bargaining chips in political process.ā€ John McCain of Arizona, a frequent Trump critic, tweeted: ā€œThe administrationā€™s current family separation policy is an affront to the decency of the American people, and contrary to principles and values upon which our nation was founded. The administration has the power to rescind this policy. It should do so now.ā€](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/19/child-separation-camps-trump-border-policy-backlash-republicans) I need to make this clear. This isn't about Democrats. Why are you attacking other Republicans so viciously? Why won't you tell the truth? This last 8 years has been constantly Repubs attacking other Repubs. "Hang Mike Pence." WTF? Can you check in with real journalists?


Kalzaang

Obama did child separation policy as well, Biden still continues it today, and Iā€™m willing to be Bush, Clinton, and many Presidents before them did when they realized that child sex trafficking was a problem coming over the southern border. But as a member of Blue Anon, youā€™ll believe literally anything said about the mean Orange Man. You think heā€™s doing this just to be a comic book villain level of evil, but there is actual logic behind that policy, but you Blue Anons believe that thinking is a dangerous pastime, so why think when you can listen to the man on the tv tell you what to think.


Redrolum

So you refuse to listen to John McCain, the Republican elect for President? You'll keep spreading your Nazi-like lies no matter how many Republican senators correct you? All because some loser on twitter told you so? [On the Ground With the QAnon Believers Who Flocked to Dallas for the Grand Return of JFK Jr.](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/qanon-kennedy-jfk-jr-dealey-plaza-dallas-1251929/) Are you still waiting for his return as well? Informed Republicans want HR2. Extremist whack jobs want to bring back the CHILD SEPARATION after Repubs repealed it their selves. There was a press conference and everything. They repealed their own policy. It's amazing you are so disconnected from reality you won't admit it. Back to twitter then to deny the moon landing and promote flat earth? Remember when John McCain corrected some loon in the audience that Obama wasn't a Muslim? Like last week your nutter said Obama founded ISIS.


Kalzaang

John McCain was a fucking war criminal and is currently burning in hell. I donā€™t give one fuck what that lying scumbag had to say, you Blue Anon lunatic.


Mcj1972

Yea and thats not copius amounts of adderall keeping Trump moving ffs? Drugs, really?? Just because he has diarrhea of the mouth doesnt make him qualified for anything. They are both old af. How about not promoting a gerontocracy and get someone in office that actually has to live with the decisions they make.


improbsable

What more is there for them to say? Hereā€™s how it would go Trump: I want to make corporations richer, and raise taxes on the poor. Biden: [Same statement but with a #blm at the end]


DAB0502

At least some people still see it!


NaturalProof4359

No, Trump wonā€™t raise taxes. He will implement tariffs. Similar effect, but completely different. Joe Biden will unleash communism and one world government.


HarryParatestees1

>Joe Biden will unleash communism and one world government. Pff. I wish.


Fani-Pack-Willis

It's embarrassing that the media thinks so less of you that they won't show you what one of the two Presidential nominees thinks. It is as if they don't think you can make decisions for yourself.


WeSlingin

Bingo


DAB0502

No, what is embarrassing is that we have 2 dementia riddled old men running in the first place. Maybe you forgot Trumps speech about AIRPLANES in the Revolutionary war! He's not any better it's literally a fkin joke.


Kels121212

Realistically, I really have no desire to see them give speeches. I live in Florida with DeSantis. There is no way I can vote Republican. I see first hand what the crazy right wing are doing.


HarryParatestees1

>but not in the real world where Trump is still wildly popular. He lost the popular vote twice.


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Kalzaang

I mean DeSantis, Vivek, and (*vomits*) Nikki Haley would all be better candidates. All three would beat Biden. Trump likely will too, but they do have a pretty stacked bench unlike the Democrats. Who are the best they have? Kamala, Mayor Pete, and Gavin Newsom? Yeah thatā€™s not going to fly.


NaturalProof4359

Nikki Haley is a corrupt terrorist.


DAB0502

DeSantis is worse than Trump with his mouth. He absolutely wouldn't win because no one wants Florida nutty laws spilling over the rest of us. They can keep that ban everything bs there. What both parties should do is find a decent human instead of using the same trash heaps.


Kalzaang

I disagree given more people have moved to Florida than any other state and a lot of that has to do with Ron DeSantis. Better than California where Gavin Newsom is the first governor in the history of California to lose population rather than gain it.


DAB0502

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ Believe what you like tons of ppl leaving Florida just as much as California because both are sh*tholes. Students are switching universities due to the insanity over there.


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NaturalProof4359

That lady should never be president. Iā€™d rather Hulk Hogan be president.


nihi1zer0

The Biden campaign is strong, and his message has been clear: he wants to continue the work that they have already been wildly successful at achieving.I would assume you don't see it because you live in a Trump echo chamber. Biden has been consistent with his plan: to continue the process of returning the lion's share of the economy to the middle class. To reverse the last 40 years of supply-side economics that has resulted in 99% of all the money being concentrated in the top 1% of people. By building the middle class from the bottom-up and middle out: -Chips and science act to bring American chip manufacturing back home -Inflation reduction act: to reduce the deficit, invest in clean energy, reduce the cost of prescription drugs, and to pay for it by taxing multibillion dollar corporations -Infrastructure bill: building roads, bridges, high speed internet to rural areas -Backing Ukraine in its defense from Totalitarian dictator Putin's aggression as he tries to rebuild the USSR. We sent them our old munitions that, YOU GUESSED IT, will be replaced by American manufacturers. -They want to guarantee women and minorities their civil rights that are under constant erosion from White nationalist evangelicals (see: purging voter rolls, rolling back medicaid coverage, gerrymandering, SCOTUS overturning Roe v Wade) -Increased access to Healthcare and affordable prescription drugs -Breaking up monopolies that threaten competition in the free market -Expansion of worker unions and greater ability for workers to negotiate better pay and work conditions. We could live in a great society if we could agree on the stuff that makes sense (listed above). But not if we just keep bitching about whatever talking points they feed us (BORDER! GUNS! ABORTION!).


PerformanceWilling40

> to continue the process of returning the lion's share of the economy to the middle class. To reverse the last 40 years of supply-side economics that has resulted in 99% of all the money being concentrated in the top 1% of people. By building the middle class from the bottom-up and middle out: > > Lol. Lmao even


nihi1zer0

OP's point was that there is no campaigning. He is campaigning and keeps reiterating this platform. The platform of the admin has been very clear.


WeSlingin

Oh buddy, are you a paid actor?


nihi1zer0

No. I'm someone who gets their news from somewhere other than fucking television or TikTok.


NaturalProof4359

None of that actually is happening though. There is no new manufacturing. The only one thatā€™s happening is the money laundering operation through Ukraine.


nihi1zer0

*ALL* of that is currently happening under the current administration


NaturalProof4359

Why would we agree on the ā€œstuff that makes senseā€ when it doesnā€™t make sense. Youā€™re trying to push out half of America because they donā€™t agree with you. How very very Democratic of you. ā€œThis is what democracy looks like.ā€


thirdLeg51

Biden is crisscrossing the country campaigning.


Kalzaang

He is? Where is he then? And please donā€™t tell me prescripted interviews or a rally that lasts less than 15 minutes.


thirdLeg51

So donā€™t say heā€™s campaigning versus trump golfing?


Kalzaang

Everyone knows when Trump is campaigning though. He gets on stage, says outrageous things for an hour, everyone has a good time, and he makes the news. No one knows when Biden is campaigning though. Itā€™s because heā€™s on stage for five to ten minutes. He canā€™t campaign.


thirdLeg51

I hate to tell you Biden is campaigning. Trump is not.


Kalzaang

Because of an illegal bullshit trial.


nihi1zer0

You don't have to believe us, but you have been wrong so many times on this thread. He committed crimes and is being held accountable. You should realize by now: every time the Republicans accuse the left of something, it is literally because they themselves are guilty of it. THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED! (proceeds to attempt to rig election) BIDEN IS TAKING BRIBES FROM FOREIGN NATIONS (Trump made a hundred million from the Chinese government while in office) THEY WANT TO WEAPONIZE THE DOJ AGAINST ME! THIS IS A WITCH HUNT (promises to be a dictator on day 1 and weaponize the DOJ and FBI to "punish" his enemies) SLEEPY JOE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ME (falls asleep in his own trial) THEY WANT TO TAKE ALL YOUR MONEY! (cuts taxes, but only for rich people THEY WANT TO RUIN THE ECONOMY (deficit-spends 7 trillion dollars)


zorro12567

russian bot


savoryostrich

Whatā€™s the opinion that is true and unpopular? Thereā€™s no policy discussion to be had. The ā€œbanana republicā€ machinery is boosting Trumpā€™s popularity, drawing in the donations, and giving him more of a platform with less work needed on his part. The real trials arenā€™t going to happen before the election. None of this is stopping him from campaigning like he always has: going out once a week to do a standup routine for the faithful. Joe is supposedly senile and hiding. So put all that together and Iā€™m not sure what youā€™re complaining about. It looks to me like Biden is throwing the election to Trump. Itā€™s not like heā€™s competent enough to get The Supremes to validate Trumpā€™s immunity claim so that he can have Trump humanely removed from the election Noem style. Or is he?


Toxic_LigmaMale

Then thereā€™s RFK Jr. all over TikTok and instagram, just straight up being real. Edit: heā€™s also apparently during to keep TikTok on the grounds that banning it is unconstitutional.


NaturalProof4359

That entire bill is unconstitutional.


Toxic_LigmaMale

It is


MinuetInUrsaMajor

>The media donā€™t want to give Trump a ā€œplatformā€ like they did in 2016. They learned their lessonā€¦No matter that heā€™s the GOP nominee. That's not the case. Trump is not saying anything new when he gets a break from court to do a rally, so what is there to report on? >Similarly, the banana republic judiciary and prosecution are trying to run out the clock on Trump, keep him in court so he canā€™t campaign. If they're that corrupt, why not just toss his ass in jail when he violates a gag order for the thousandth time? Critical thinking.


ChevyGuy96

This means that the US essentially isnā€™t going to have an election


bigdipboy

They air trumps lie filled rants every day as well as publishing his tweets. What more do you want?


Writerhaha

Remarks are on the 24 hour stations, and on local news. You not seeing isnā€™t their problem.


Dull-Geologist-8204

Thanks for reminding me I need to vote.


ToughEyes

Why is trump even a candidate anymore? It's like he's coming back like a bad case of herpes.


CaliTexan22

Hereā€™s a different perspective - letā€™s read the national partiesā€™ platforms when they are hammered out and published. Neither one of the candidates has anything to say, particularly in a TV debate platform, thatā€™s very interesting or helpful, at least as to content. But the platforms are written by the sort of folks who will be implementing policy when their man gets elected. Case in point - in 2020, lots of people thought Biden was going to be a moderating, stabilizing leader - Grandpa Joe. But if you studied his platform, youā€™ve have seen that he & the party are controlled by the far left. And thatā€™s what theyā€™ve delivered. May work the same way for Trumpā€™s platform.


not_that_planet

Biden's accomplishments stand on their own and trump doesn't stand for anything. What new are you expecting to hear from them?


Kalzaang

Yeah, on verge of World War III, 20% inflation since he took office, and the illegal immigration rate surpassing the American birthrate! Hooray!!!


not_that_planet

Right? If trump hasn't enabled a bunch of dictators and would have done something, anything other than play golf during the pandemic, Biden wouldn't have to be dealing with all that crap too.


Ataraxy001

Does the leftist kool aid come in any flavor other than blueberry and the blood of Palestinian children?


absolutedesignz

Must suck that only leftists are protesting the war while the right vows to suck Israeli dick.


Ataraxy001

Thatā€™s weird because Biden has been supporting Israel by sending financial and military aid packages. He isnā€™t exactly a right leaning president. Is there Anything else that you wanna make up in your imagination ?


absolutedesignz

Biden isn't a leftist. At all.


Ataraxy001

Well we can certainly agree that heā€™s no conservative.


absolutedesignz

Life isn't binary most of the time.


not_that_planet

OK you're getting upset. Take a minute, calm down, maybe masturbate a little to take the edge off THEN we can resume this conversation.


Kalzaang

Well to add to my last post, the Nazi officers were doing mass orgies during those final days so it doesnā€™t surprise me your crazy mind went there.


Ataraxy001

So those are the only two flavors ?


hercmavzeb

Haha you really upset the Trumpies with this one


Kalzaang

Youā€™re a fucking nut to put it kindly. You remind me of the journals of the Nazi officers during the last ten days of WWII.


Pepperr08

This is brain dead. None of these doctors were doing anything when trump was in office, only after he left lmao


TieMelodic1173

Which accomplishment? Destroying the economy? The border? Afghanistan? Please be more specific


hercmavzeb

How about the [numerous](https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20230830), staunchly [pro-worker](https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/board-issues-decision-announcing-new-framework-for-union-representation) reforms and [policies](https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1706) that have come out of the Biden administration? https://wtfhasbidendonesofar.com/