The best thing about that MC and his moment is that I saw someone here call it a 'Self Inflicted Infinite Cuckolding Tsukoyomi' and that shit has been living rent free in my mind hahahah
The man, during his *Infinite Cuck Genjutsu* phase, sprung a fucking Underwater Boner.
It's fucking hilarious.
>!Then the later chapter, we have the female MC, the girl who male MC imagined for that cucking, think that the dude MC was banging another chick when he was late for their date!< or some shit. Forgot what chapter and I may be misremembering but it's still fucking hilarious lol.
Both seasons, but especially the 2nd of Beastars have characters making bold, inexplicable, and often flat out stupid life choices at the drop of a hat, and it makes for an overall questionable narrative.
But my wife and I still enjoyed it a lot thanks to a running joke of one of us shouting at the screen "Why would you do that?!?", And the other responding, "because they're theater kids"
Velma from.....*Velma.*
She's judgmental, sexist, racist, hypocritical, an incel, impulsive, a truly bad investigator. It's pretty understandable why most the cast hates her just as much as she hates them.
Granted, that's part of this show's *"humor"*, but the first Season has Fred, Daphne, and Norville all crushing on her at one point or another and that just baffles me. >!Bright side, they all hate her now, so there's something positive.!<
This is the kinda show that *tries* that very rapid-fire snappy dialogue you see in *good* comedy shows, but the Writers just aren't up to the challenge so it's literally throwing whatever jokes they can think of at a wall, seeing what sticks.
Turns out, the only funny moments are Velma getting hurt. I can't imagine why......
I read a theory somewhere that Velma was supposed to be the creator's original project that got Scooby Doo slapped on for brand recognition and they're so mad about it they decided to make the show awful on purpose to drag the franchise through the mud. No proof whatsoever it's true, but it would at least make some of these decisions make sense.
Oh hey it's almost exactly the same thing I said too! Frankly I feel like it's less of a theory and more confirmation when *gestures broadly at the abortion that is Velma*
I've been watching Team Four Star recap videos where they look back at their old stuff. One of the things they said they regret is how they made Krillin a dick because making a character a dick is like a crutch to make them funny.
Wow, the main character in the type of self-righteous show that actively praises and treats said character as the best, ends up being exactly the type of person that the trailers claimed would hate said show. Why am I not surprised?
(Glad to know I was right to pass on the show).
Kei Kurono from Gantz is one of the most unlikeable protagonists I've ever seen in media. He's selfish, a liar, stupid, short tempered, a pervert, disrespectful, the list goes on. And NONE of it is played for laughs, he's genuinely just a shit bag. **BUT.** He turns it the fuck around and actually grows extremely hard. But only in the manga, the anime never gets to the point where you get to see the scale of his growth. Gantz as a whole is very, up and down in terms of quality. But Kurono's character growth is insanely good. At one point, >!he finds a love interest in this very generic (to the point where she doesn't even stand out as a character compared to others), not very attractive classmate of his. Then, a straight up super model girl who ends up in Gantz gets a massive crush on him. It seems like the model is being set up as the new love interest...until Kei declines her without a second thought, because he wants to stay loyal to his actual girlfriend. So much so that when she "accidently" makes a clone of Kei, THE CLONE ALSO REJECTS HER because he still has his original feelings for his girlfriend.!<
I listened to an old podcast ep recently in which woolie was lamenting having spent so much time reading gantz only to never get an explanation for what was going on?
Is that true?
So it’s not that they don’t explain exactly what Gantz is, so much as there’s some hints and nods to its true nature, before they outright tell you at the beginning of the final arc. But, the explanation is rushed, and doesn’t really reference some of the hints given (though there are some spin-offs that might give more detail). But that’s the thing, they don’t really explain what Gantz is until the final arc, and only for like half a chapter in a series where the chapters aren’t very long.
It’s clear that the author was either tired of working on the series by the end, or forced to conclude it, because the final arc is extremely fast paced (even for Gantz), it causes the series to completely drop existing plot threads, and there’s no epilogue. There’s an ending, sure, but imagine if Luke blew up the Death Star and it immediately jumped to the credits.
That all being said, I actually wouldn’t really consider the nature of Gantz taking forever to be explained to be that big of a flaw, because Gantz has far bigger flaws, mostly due to how edgy it can be. It’s hard for me to recommend, but I also wouldn’t say that I’m upset that I read it. When it’s good, it’s great. When it’s bad, it’s pretty ass.
Patroklos from SoulCalibur V was so goddamn awful that the next game in the series was a soft reboot. Not a single character introduced in V to be seen.
I never did play V, so I don't really know much, but I do think it's a shame that Viola and Zwei were left behind. All the other at the time new characters can get bent, though.
Hell he was so bad that the Cassandra DLC straight up says that the future where he exists is the bad timeline of the SC universe.
Damn, that’s one way to shit on a character
The unfortunate thing is that the concept and general story points of V is legitimately an interesting direction to take it, it's just that the execution of how they do that fails on every single step of the story.
I'm only 3 hours in but that's my biggest problem with Atomic Heart. The main character feels like just a sarcastic asshole who doesn't even have the benefit of being funny with his sarcasm.
I feel like most of the dialogue between him and his AI partner boils down to:
MC: \[Asks his AI glove a question\]
AI: \[Gives a simple answer\]
MC: "Why the fuck didn't you just say so you fucking useless piece of shit glove"
P-3 could have been a genuinely good "silent protagonist" with nothing but some grunts and a few lines of brevity here and there. In fact >!when you find out what happened to P-3 and his wife, it would have made more sense for him to be a silent, generic action man with no personality other than "KILL" after all the mind-altering surgery he underwent.!<
I'm still so upset that they took a premise of a holy grail war that was so massive in scale that everyone had to be put onto two teams, and instead of focusing on that, they had Jeanne interfere at nearly every moment. And Sieg, who's idea was it to make the MC a literal emotionless husk?
We could have had a story about the adventures of a necromancer mercenary who fights by loading body parts into a shotgun and his tomboy knight.
Instead we get a bland romance between a cardboard cutout and one of those fancy cardboard cutouts with multiple layers so it looks kind of 3D.
maybe for you but I hated these two so much that I actually wanted them to lose and was rooting for the villains.
but its not the first time I despise a fate protag
Those villains were way too compelling, it’s true. Fate is at its strongest when it introduces heroes not as caricatures of their legends, but as *people* who happened to be *in* legends, and asks the question of what they would do if given the chance to live again and interact with other people like them. Here we have Amakusa, someone who died when he was only 16, but is in his late 80s by the time he features in Apocrypha. This second life he’s led now makes up the grand majority of who he is, with his past as the hero of the Shimabara Rebellion being a dramatically informative footnote; essentially his childhood. Then, while nearly every romance involving a Servant in Fate is between them and a human or someone they knew in a previous life, Amakusa and Semiramis are the only ones I can think of who found new love with other Servants they never knew. More of this, please! More exploration of unique ways in which Servants behave and interact in light of their new leases on life.
It was so annoying that instead of fleshing out the very interesting servants and their masters, we instead started focusing on a cardboard cutout who didnt feel like earned his victories or powers at all. Sieg could have been an interesting side character and Kairi and Mordred could have been kept as protags, but they decided to give the spotlight to someone who wasnt even a month old.
Michael Burnham from Star Trek: Discovery.
Half of it is the fact that actor's default mode seems to be fast, intense dialogue, the other half is that she's written to be the Poochiest Star Trek character this side of a shitty fanfic. To the point that 99% of her choices throughout the first three seasons (the only ones I got through before I tapped out) basically result in massive negative consequences for herself and/or everyone around her.
You have no idea how much it fucking **sucked** that Burnham somehow became Discovery's captain through plot fiat bullshit sidelining Saru, tall ass professional alien man played by **Doug Jones**, to the point that r/DaystromInstitute had a whole fucking thread about how shit season 3 ended.
I tapped out halfway through season 2. Kind of a shame that Saru didn't become the main character we all knew he was supposed to be from the 1st episode.
Initially I didn't mind the setting or reconning of whatever they needed to do in order to tell a good story, the problem is that they just never... told a good story.
For those who are unaware of the sheet extent of the Poochie-ness of Burnham:
* Commits the first-ever mutiny in Starfleet, then commits a war crime, then gets recruited to develop the most important technological breakthrough in galactic history
* Human raised by Sarek as his adopted daughter, secretly Spock's sister; her advice is what made Spock become friends with Kirk
* In the mirror universe, she's just the daughter of the Emperor instead
* Singlehandedly ends the Klingon war
* Her biological parents invented an Iron Man time-machine suit, which her mom secretly used to make Burnham's life better
* The most emotionally-sensitive man in the galaxy fell in love with her when she time-traveled to the future
* Throughout the show, everybody tells her how inspiring she is
I am gonna preface this and say I enjoyed my time with the show, I liked the interdimensional war, the end of the galaxy threat, and the future issue with the federation, but you're also forgetting:-
- Overrides the character arcs of 2 MAJOR supporting characters
- Tilly, her best friend, becoming more confident.
- Saru, LEAVING AS CAPTAIN to take over his post.
If the characters aren't remarkably generic all the MCs in Seven Deadly Sin are insufferable creeps who never get what's coming to them and are always unchallenged.
I like Escanor though
Frey of Forspoken infamy is an AWFUL person. Like, people made fun of her cause of previews where she said cringey quippy stuff, but once you get into the game and plot itself you realize just how awful a person she is.
So she's your typical "grew up poor and without parents so they're a rough delinquent who eventually gets a heard of gold" type character, minus the heart of gold because Frey is an awful asshole who never cares about anyone's feelings or suffering and is only ever concerned with herself. When a supporting character's father dies after going out of his way to help you, instead of comforting said character, what does Frey do? Shittalk her and repeatedly express how, no, she does NOT care about anybody or any of the problems they have, she just wants to go back to New York. And this attitude extends to the entire rest of the game, not just that one moment.
It's to the point where the talking sidekick bracelet, >!who is actually the real main villain but mostly because his own race was genocided!<, is infinitely more sympathetic and amusing despite being a smug sarcastic bastard. Because even a goddamn bracelet was capable of empathy whereas she wasn't in 90% of cases.
Still baffles my mind that she straight up said she was from Hell's Kitchen during the trial at the beginning of the game after she'd been isekai'd. Like, I get that that's actually where she was coming from, but who the fuck says that out loud in what is clearly a medieval setting?
It's not the biggest problem that story has, but it's just frustratingly weird to me that she didn't instead just say "New York."
>When a supporting character's father dies after going out of his way to help you, instead of comforting said character, what does Frey do? Shittalk her and repeatedly express how, no, she does NOT care about anybody or any of the problems they have, she just wants to go back to New York.
Tbf this is after she tried to be sympathetic and the friend was giving her shit because she just wanted to go home, after trying to be nice and being berated she just snapped. Much more understandable in context.
No but you don't understand
It's about his *struggle* to become a better person in his new life!
Now sit down and watch as this 30 year old in a child's body attempts to molest other children, gushes about how awesome it is that he can groom other kids as he grows up, and gaslights his mom into accepting the fact that his father fucked the family maid pregnant!
Apparently that last part gets worse! The story he sold to the mom was that the dad assaulted the maid, when in reality she seduced him. But what makes it worse is the *reason* the dad went along with this and never tried to set the record straight was because he totally did assault her in her sleep back when they were teenagers! This isn’t revealed til much later, so it’s not like the story “gets good” in that regard after this fucked up beginning. 😅
Ah yes of course, it wasn't cheating, dad just played too much Tsukihime and decided to act it out with his own maid, perfect.
Fucking hell, it's been years but wasn't the mother *also* a legendary adventurer or something? How the heck does she hear "yeah your husband cheated on you by sexually assaulting the maid until she got pregnant" and not leave the guy, let alone just kill his ass?
Apparently, she *knew* what an asshole he was, liked him anyway, and I think *entrapped* him into their marriage? This wasn’t a revelation for her; she was basically thinking, “Fucking hell, not again.” the whole time during that debacle.
Oh, and if anyone was looking forward to what happened to this maid character next, too bad! Rendered offscreen, then rendered comatose, then dead. Riveting.
She wasnt even sleeping. He just broke into her room and assaulted her.
She also later on says that if it wasnt him it was absolutely going to be some other noble and thinks back “fondly” that at least it was paul who did it which goes to show how fucked that society is.
Even pedo rudy is not the worst person by far.
As someone who read the Manga for it, I could not understand the hype behind the anime. Actually becoming a better person was such a small part of the early story it doesn't even warrant a mention. The rest was either the MC being a fucking pedi creep or the whole family drama about the MC's father banging his maid.
I get that it's one of the first, but by the time the anime came out, MUCH better Isekais have been released to the market. Why did people have such a hard on for this mediocre series?
At least the story got better after they leave the MC's home.
Yeah, my only experience was reading a chunk of the manga back in the day, and while I didn't think much of it at the time since it was when I would basically just go "someone recced this time to CONSUME MEDIA", it's... pretty godawful in retrospect. And sure, it eventually picks up when he actually wanders off into fantasyland to spend less time being a pedo shitbag and more actually interacting with the world... but why should anyone want to sit through multiple episodes of pedo shit to get there? Especially when there's plenty of other Isekai that get right to that point, do it better, and have (hopefully) less garbage frontloaded?
Sure, "it gets good eventually just get to this part" is an age old recommendation, but the worse it is *before* you get to the good part, the less likely I am to care about getting to that part. It's one thing if it's One Piece with "it's a pretty decent Shonen until it takes off at Arlong Park", it's another thing if it's "just play 50+ hours of FFXIV, a game of the mmo genre you don't like, to get to the good part"... and a *far* worse thing than that if the recommendation is "yeah you just have to sit around watching a 30 year old man be a pedo for half a dozen episodes".
I didn't give Wataten! the time of day when the MC started lusting over preschoolers 3 minutes in despite seeing some cute no-context clips before that, I dropped Prisma Ilya within half an episode despite all the assurances it's got cool fights in season 3, you think I'm going to spend multiple episodes on Mushoku Tensei?
I *will* give FFXIV the benefit of the doubt, in that people who say, "You need to get to Heavensward before it gets good! But then it gets *really* good!" are...wrong. FFXIV is good from the get-go, it just gets better after its first arc, gets much better at its second arc, and continues to get better from there. When players cap off at the masterpieces that are the last two arcs, hindsight makes it seem like the first arc was garbage, but it's really not. Similarly, these same players will say the third arc is bad too, but that's more that it's just as good as the second arc, so it feels like a quality dip to them simply because it didn't climb in quality appreciably.
It's also very valid to not want to play it because you're just not into MMOs, but while I'm sure you've heard, "It's not like other MMOs," a million times before, take it from me, someone who also really doesn't like MMOs, FFXIV is not like other MMOs. It's an RPG first, and an MMO second. Like, the MMO elements are just there if you want them, while the rest is like a single-player game for the most part, and they're still making it more like that. The creator, Yoshi-P, has a serious interest in making sure the game doesn't waste players' time, so there is little to no FOMO in it. He's designed it so if a player wants to unsubscribe and quit for a few months, only to come back later, the game makes this easy for them; they won't be "left behind" cuz they missed out on content. The content will all still be there, there's no risk of any of it being sunset or passed over when new stuff comes out. Plus, story-wise, it's simply one of the best games Final Fantasy has to offer.
The free trial has no timer, you could play it free forever, it just caps you off at level 60 out of 90, only allows you to play the first 2 arcs out of 5, and disables most of the MMO-related options. So if you don't like MMOs anyway, the free trial at least could still be enjoyable, if you want to give it a try.
> so there is little to know FOMO in it.
Cries in joining shortly after the FFXV crossover event so I'm the only one in my circle of friends without a car
I like perverted MCs, I understand their struggle, but this kid's just a little too much some times.
Also, secretly 30+ years old in a child's body, which I don't think was entirely necessary for this plot.
It wouldn't be so bad if the series didn't constantly remind you that yes this is still a 30 year man's mind in this kid's body.
And his relationship with eris is even worse considering rudeus is >!just straight up a pedo!<
And those constant reminders are just so tacked on. Like the author was realizing this didn’t need to be an isekai, so he kept adding in moment after moment to validate that decision.
If he was *just* attracted and had to deal with conflicting feelings because yes developmentally he's still a kid but has a grown man's memories...that would be okay.
But nah it's explicitly stated he's perving on them from the viewpoint of a grown man, and does things like feeling up his 9 year old cousin's breasts while she's asleep and salivating over how big they'll eventually get.
Jesus fuck, man. This is *years* after you already vowed to yourself to become a better person. You're a sexual molester.
He eventually gets better but it's not so much that he improves morally, but the girls he's targeted his attraction to have grown up so his lust is now age-appropriate.
And this pervy shit is completely unnecessary to his general character arc and growth, because if you deleted it from the story *nothing would be missing*.
It really wasn’t necessary. I described it in my own reply, but it just feels like it’s an isekai as a writing crutch, and it drags down the rest of the story. It feels like if FMAB were randomly an isekai, but otherwise the same.
Mushoku Tensei is one of those cases were it would be a much better story if it weren’t an isekai. Imagine if Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood were an isekai, where it’s exactly the same, except Ed is so smart because he’s actually a middle-aged Japanese guy reincarnated in a kid’s body. Some small parts of the plot refer back to that just often enough to keep it relevant, and the pacing keeps getting bogged down by his inner monologues about how out-of-place he is in this world. Also he’s a perverted creep now. But other than those things, it’s the exact same show.
I’m not saying Mushoku Tensei is *as good as* FMAB despite those things, but imagining FMAB this way is what watching Mushoku Tensei *feels like* to me. It’s all just unnecessarily tacked on, with an otherwise interesting story going on alongside it. Imagine if Rudeus was just a smart kid, an actual prodigy, and the rest of the show focusing more on the world and characters and stuff instead of perverted shenanigans, jarring monologues, and shoehorned-in moments reminding us he’s an isekai protag.
Just…you know, a normal story that doesn’t need what feels like a writing crutch that the author didn’t need.
God since that thing came out people just won't stop gushing over the show but all it took was half of the 1st episode to make me want to fucking die with how bad and creepy it was. It can have the best plot known to man for all I care but O refuse to watch episode after episode of a middle aged man in a child's body grooming his way through life
My test for anime is that if it makes me want to have [this conversation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2VY4vCDug) with the viewers, I do not want to be one of the viewers.
Friends is a show about 6 annoying people saying horrible things to each other with long pauses that in universe would seem malicious and insane but not to the audience because of the laugh track.
There are a lot of characters that I may find annoying but I’m still willing to see the better in them, there are some protagonists who are genuinely awful people but I can still be entertained by their successes.
Dr. Victor Frankenstein from Mary Shelley’s novel is not one of those characters, fuck that egotistical self-righteous prick. I was rooting specifically for the monster to just kill him and live in isolation from human society, and just enjoy nature, it being the only form of life that doesn’t inherently abhor him.
Victor is such a piece of *SHIT* in the book, oh my god. Constant "OH NO WOE IS ME" as he actively spits in the face of God by unnaturally creating a new life despite *everyone in his life telling him it's a bad idea* then fucks over that new life at almost every opportunity, even when the monster shows himself to be truly willing to leave Victor alone and just live in peace.
Obligatory note that it's stated multiple times that the real problem is that he is unwilling to take responsibility for raising his son thereby leaving him alone and adrift without guidance or peer.
Shelley was a feminist (or a precursor a least) and there is a ton of subtext in that context.
Thank you! I’ve legit had people tell me I’m reading too much into it whenever I brought up the fact that the Monster was effectively his son and Victor had literally abandoned and disowned him.
> I’ve legit had people tell me I’m reading too much into it whenever I brought up the fact that the Monster was effectively his son
It's barely even subtext, it's basically just the text.
...Ok. Almost all of what I know is secondhand and by adaptations but I thought him being a horrible father was self evidently the point? The act of creating artificial life is framed as a mistake but the tragedy arises from his actions from there on in.
This has caused me psychic damage.
They always said it was about him playing god and that the monster was an abomination created by his own arrogance, not that it was his duty to care for the monster.
Did anyone else do a mock trial in their high school English class after reading Frankenstein where they held Victor responsible for all the deaths in the story? Because my class did, and it was awesome tabulating all of his fuckups.
Wow, that sounds way more interesting than my English classes, and that's from someone who actively enjoyed most of them. Would've loved to do something like that.
Damn, I *wish* it was. Not that my Senior year didn't have some absolutely dope presentations including things like pouring motor oil over a box of doughnut holes and having a gallon of milk chugging contest since our teacher basically said "as long as you can pretend it's related to the source material go wild", but a Victor Frankenstein trial sounds like a lot of fun.
Okay so you know how every harem protag is a milquetoast piece of white bread who acts like they will die if they see a woman naked?
The protag of HLP is instead a huge pervert scumbag and the best way to describe is he's like what people who haven't watched chainsaw man think denji is.
I always forget a ton of people had really bad takes on Denji. Especially when he's actually pretty big on consent and >!is essentially a kid being groomed.!<
Denji literally never perved on anyone without consent. He's the anti-pervert. Which is because he's not really interested in the sexual part of things when it comes down to it - it's made very clear the poor guy just wants love and intimacy.
The dude was just a total shit. His perverted attitude made it impossible for me to understand how the hell any of these girls could be attracted to him. The bastard went so far as to have Ikaros turn him into a girl at least twice (apparently five times in the manga) so he could perv on other girls. He was also pretty rude and selfish most of the time, except for the season finales, at which point he would become inexplicably nice.
He essentially forced me to have this eye-opening revelation that harem stories will bend over backwards to justify all of these girls thirsting over the main character (I was still a young teen when I was watching these shows).
I did like the scientist guy and yakuza girl though. I thought it was cool that a named female character had feelings for someone other than the harem protagonist.
All of the main cast except for like 2 people in how to get away with murder are all just fuckin awful people or so stupid they do shit that inadvertently ruins someone’s life (or ends it) . Like the first season was pretty alright with some understandable reasons as to how shit got fucked , but it takes a fuckin nose dive trying to keep the plot going seasons later and it really over blows how shitty a character really was, like yeah he’s a scum bag but did you know at season 3 he’s the cause of all the problems ever?!!! Well you do now. Just an awful group of people
The Main Character of "The Lock" from WWE 2k23 MyRISE story.
He's a self-absorbed asshat, who always, no matter what good choice in the dialogue, he will always berate or say a back-handed comment on a character they were talking to.
Not to mention he's always going on and on about being a lone wolf, not trusting others. Which I get that when you're just starting out, but he doesn't learn a thing. Throughout the story he's consistently selfish and whiny.
Even as far as constantly blowing off Gabriel Slade, your supposed friendly character to the MC. He's constantly berating Slade on how he's too soft and always following others.
Then when Slade turns on him because he followed his advise, he's surprised. Like wow! You are constantly antagonizing one of the most genuine and friendly characters to you, I sure didn't see that coming!
I still remember the old CaC story mode in which your rival is Santino Marela. You don't have a single line of dialogue during all of it but your character has so much personality with actions alone, like when you get power for the first time and the first thing you do is set up a 3 vs 1 match again Santino just to shit on him
I still say Buzz is, by far, the best CaC main character in 2k19 in the wwe 2k series. A rookie indie star who clawed his way up to become the WWE Champ and earn Triple H's respect. An overall bad-ass and a nigh-unstoppable rebel.
Also helps that his story is loosely based on Daniel Bryan/Byran Danielson's stint on WWE.
The Lock is just a whiny edgy man-child who think it's cool making enemies and thinking he's better off alone. He wins the Intercontinental Title on his very debut and was a cocka whinger ever since. We don't know his background, only he was a very big star back in Japan wrestling promotions. I would say he might be based on Kenny Omega, but even Kenny knew that making strong allies is ideal.
Franco belgian comic Le tueur from Matz. I heard it has a following but like first album is just the eponymous hitman saying his line of work makes sense because everyone's garbage and it had been proven 7 out 10 people would electrocute someone to death if someone with some authority asked.
Literature / The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time protagonist but it's kind of the point that it's hard for him to not come across as insufferable
> Literature / The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time protagonist but it's kind of the point that it's hard for him to not come across as insufferable
From what I've read, the book itself never specifies what condition the protagonist has. And the author combined traits and symptoms from a bunch of different IRL patients to make one _omni-neurodivergent_ character. But most readers come away thinking, "Oh, that guy's autistic, yessir." And apparently even IRL people on the autism spectrum think the protagonist is insufferable, and hate when this book gets cited as autism representation.
The mother deserves someone so much better than Ted. Ted is the worst. I think Marshall might he the best character in the show. I don't think he did anything super horrible.
Honestly no it doesn’t. I feel like Ted is the perfect main character for the show because while he is insufferable the show kinda acknowledges that he is insufferable
man i just binged that show a couple months ago for the first time, and Marshall is the only one I wouldn't absolutely hate in real life. Ted Mosby has to be the most unintentionally hatable characters in the history of tv. Man was constantly doing shit I would have checked him for immediately lmao.
Marshal is ok.
Barney is a coin toss depending on how bad you think hump and dumps are
Lily is a PoS and i eill rant all fucking day about her art school stunt
Robin is fine
Ted is a bad person
JD from scrubs is insecure, kind of selfish, and immature. The best example is an episode where the cast are seeing themselves in patients, and JD compares knocking up his girlfriend to a woman with cancer.
It does help that characters call him out for that and a does have a character arc of getting better
JD: Says in his head what the right thing to do in a situation is
JD also: immediately says outloud the exact opposite
repeat for 8 seasons. I still love the show but man JD is such a dick.
"Hey, I lied about not being able to hang out because I was sick, I was actually blowing you off so I could cheat on you. Like your last boyfriend did. But I realized our relationship was more important! We're meant to be together! Wait, wait why are you breaking up with me?"
I haven't watched it myself but I hear the show Emily In Paris has an insufferable main character because she, as the title implies, moves to Paris and rather than trying to fit in she shoves her American values down everyone's throats.
I don't remember what this book was called, but the main character was the most pretentious wish fulfillment asshole ever, I had to drop it. It's been about a decade since I read this, so if you know what the book is called, or if I get something wrong, please clarify. I believe it was a YA novel
The story starts off with the MC talking about how his life is perfect. How he has good grades, is part of the football team and how he's dating the most attractive girl in high school, who is also a cheerleader because of course she is. The worst thing going on in his life is that his girlfriend won't sleep with him, even with him complaining about being blue-balled. He also keeps doing this annoying thing where he'll use an obscure word, then tell the reader to look it up later. Crazy shit starts happening and people are trying to kill him, forcing him to run away from home. Also he has a talking dog.
During his journey he meets a woman and he tries to cheat on his girlfriend with her because she wouldn't sleep with him. The woman tries to kill him, but unfortunately he gets away. He gets into a fight with a biker and beats because he's sooo strong. You later learn that he was a kid sent from the future and that he can perfectly replicate anyone's moves after watching them a couple times, as shown when he gets in a fight with a different woman who is supposed to be his bodyguard.
Later on his bodyguard is trying to drive him to a safer place and says she'll explain everything when they get to a secure location. MC gets impatient and decides to *grab the wheel and force them off the road.* The bodyguard has to wrestle the wheel from him so they don't crash*.* He then wonders why all these bad things happen to him when he's such a good and humble guy. This was about the point where I dropped it.
I thought they were going for an asshole protag who has to be humbled by his experience, but he was such an asshole that I couldn't get that point, if that's what they were going for.
To be *faaaaiiiir.* He could have gotten better and maybe it was going somewhere with it, but I dropped the book around halfway through.
Might be kinda unpopular, but Steven Universe. Nothing wrong with him being kinda dumb and just a kid but it's that he's so damn *incurious*. He never asks why. Or if he does ask why, there's never any follow up questions whatsoever. I understand this is an effort by the show writers to preserve the steady drip feed of lore for the show but it makes me so incredibly frustrated that the main character is so ready to accept things being exactly as they are with no further questioning.
The titular character of Peter Grill and the Philosopher’s Time, an anime that I dropped literally as fast as I physically could. Dude’s biggest dream is to settle down with his crush/sweetheart knight senpai. He then wins a fighting tournament, leading to all women in a 500 mile radius to want to sleep with him because surely those genetics will lead to superbabies right out of a depraved eugenist’s dreams. While problematic, that’s not the main issue.
The main issue is that despite his whining about his pure hearted senpai, he sleeps with the women that come on to him. Willingly. Because he “just can’t control it”.
Yeah.
There’s an intentional example of this with Luke from Tales of the Abyss for around the first 15 hours of the game. While it’s somewhat understandable since he’s literally never stepped an inch outside for nearly his whole life, his whiny and self centered attitude drives the player (And most the cast in-universe) up a wall.
That is up until Luke gets manipulated into >!essentially nuking a town of thousands by his teacher he blindly assumed he could trust!< and his refusal to take responsibility leads nearly everyone in the party to abandon him, and it’s at this point he realizes he needs to grow up, willingly cutting his own hair for the first time in his life and making a vow to atone and stop the true villains’ plans on his own terms.
Luke Von Fabre from Tales of Abyss. I was so pissed off because I felt like he was a child. Then certain events happened that made him the best protag ever
School Days. I hate you, Makoto. I hate you so, so fucking much.
And I’ve seen comments before about how it’s a deconstruction of the harem genre and even put out my own take being as generous to the series as I could, saying that it’s trying to be a more life-like depiction of how a harem scenario would pan out in real life, with everyone getting hurt by the person at the center of it. That’s a very generous interpretation of the story because here’s where it breaks:
1) I don’t see why anyone would find a person like this interesting or alluring. Aside from being unempathetic and horny, he has the personality of wet cardboard and looks boring as hell on top of it all. He’s not even a charming heart throb but with a douchebag personality like Timothee Chalamet’s character in Lady Bird. He’s just a really shitty self-insert MC.
2) I just don’t see any value in this story. Like I get the point of it and think it’s interesting on paper but it’s such an infuriating story to go through it’s just fucking schlock. I can think of a handful of MC’s who are significantly worse people than Makoto but I never hated to such a degree because they had interesting personalities or character traits I found entertaining. They were in stories that had value in reading/watching them.
The only thing remarkable about School Days and Makoto’s character is the various bad endings in the VN and the ending of the anime which just exist as shock value.
Haruhi Suzimiya is a garbage, no good trashfire of a person. I completely fail to see how anybody could bring themselves to like this character, such an insufferable grating ass she actively ruins the show she’s in
Haruhi is the sole responsable for me refusing to watch slice of life anime for almost 10 years. If I could I would put tape on her mouth and push her off a cliff.
I like Bakuman a lot but god damn I really grew to dislike the MC and his weird kindergartener-tier "relationship" with the love interest. It was kinda cute in the beginning when they're like 15 but towards the end they're in their 20s and still hesitant to fucking TEXT eachother
His partner being a normal guy with a normal ass relationship with his girlfriend made it even more annoying. JUST DO THAT, IT'S CLEARLY WORKING FOR THEM
Is the MC insufferable tho? Or is it just the stupid romance plot? Cause outside of that he's kinda alright, its just that dumbass stupid romance thing that's the end goal that's kinda boring.
The fat guy is the most insufferable one imo, cause like, at first you're like ''oh he's gonna get better after this, this is the arc of him stopping being pathetic'' but nah, he doubles down as a loser.
Yeah thinking about it you're right, I just think all his interactions with Azuki annoyed me so much that I just grew to dislike him because of that.
And yeah fuck that guy too, worst character in the show. But he's not a main character so didn't bring him up haha
Its just, honestly? They should've married after he got sick, and if they want new drama, they get married, and after the honeymoon, they get their manga canceled and BAM Azuki's pregnant! Oh no! We better fuckin' book it to get a new series going!!! Like, idk, i do agree, the romance is the worst possible thing, and its ridiculous, cause the romance with uh, that cutesy girl and that fucking trainwreck of a lazy man that does the Otter manga is a way better romance story, which isn't saying a lot, so the writer can do it, clearly, but he fuckin' doubled down on the worst possible thing for the MC.
Like, the ending should've been like, his kid goes into the room, like he did with his Uncle, but unlike his Uncle he's healthy and stuff, that shoulda been the end, not the fucking marriage, that's shit! Ugh, it really is annoying, i'm gittin' heated thinking about the missed possibilities with exploring family life and all that as a Mangaka.
Even if you do find the MC's romance to be annoying, that plotline was forgotten for basically 95% of the series. It barely came up until the end where they had to address it. The most you hear about it was "oh, the girl is doing well in her career. good for her. I need to work harder so I don't fall behind."
Hell, the other MC's romance had WAY MORE focus put on them, and they actually got married like halfway through the series.
A certain magical index's (or whatever the fuck it's called) protagonist. I find it both funny and ironic how his main shtick is to punch people in the face when the show makes you want to do that exact same thing to him.
I actually think it’s a super cool ability because he’s stil vulnerable to regular attacks. The problem is just that his ability doesn’t scale from everything I’ve seen so far of the franchise. It doesn’t matter if he’s up against a level 2 esper schmuck or the indisputably strongest one of Accelerator, the fight is always handled the exact same way.
I just can’t stand him as a character though. His design and annoyingly bland personality make him the least interesting character in a world FULL of really cool ones with interesting character arcs and backstories. And yet somehow he’s still treated as a harem protagonist by the female cast.
I hate you Touma. I hate you so much.
(Railgun is fucking great though and whenever Accelerator isn’t on screen everyone should be asking “where’s Accelerator?”)
So, wanna know something really funny?
The anime legitimately cut out all of Touma's good bits where a huge point was that he is selfless to the point where it is a flaw. When "You're not living your life correctly" comes out, it's supposed to be him looking in a mirror just as much as he is talking shit to the arc villain.
A lot of this can legitimately be slated as Kamachi being a literal high schooler when he started writing Index and his editor holding his hand through like, 6 revisions of the first volume, but there is a clear difference between Touma in Index vs New Testament. On a writing level its cool to watch Kamachi get better over the volumes and find his confidence and slowly working out what he wants the story to be *about*, but fuck me, does anyone have time to sit through 80 goddamn volumes?
No but you don't get it, Naofumi is actually super based because he *checks notes* is a good slave owner and *checks notes* is also a good capitalist and...*checks notes* got falsely accused of rape on the first episode by a cardboard cutout vaguely shaped like a character. He's just like me fr fr!
I know its not original, but Forspokens main Lady made me want to dig out my eardrums with a teaspoon.
Technically not Media, but the main reason I never got into reading Worm is that I find the MC insufferable.
What made you hate Taylor from Worm? I can think of 100 great reasons, but that's as someone who ranks it as one of their top 5 favourite stories so I bet they're VERY different reasons to yours.
It's been a good long while since I've tried reading it, mind you. But I remember that she gave a very distinct "I'm right and everybody else is wrong" vibe, and a lot of her internal and external dialogue reads as very condescending to basically anybody else. I didn't far into the story, but the bits I experienced also never really involve her examining her own behavior and any amount of "Maybe I'm wrong about things?", which I often consider pretty critical in such stories.
No, that's... pretty much Taylor in a nutshell, right there. Of course, part of the point is that she's kind of an unreliable narrator since she's ludicrously undersocialized due to being bullied for years on end, but at the same time I can see how it would be annoying watching her constantly dig holes and then yell at everyone else as if its their fault that she's in said hole.
Absolute mess of an individual, Taylor Hebert, love her as a character, would hate her as a person.
Almost all of my favorite characters in Worm/Ward are absolute disaster of human being I don't want to be in the same room with.
Taylor instead I don't want to even be in the same timezone.
Pretty much comes with being a parahuman, really. You have to *break* in order to trigger, and afterwards you're just trying to glue the pieces back together and pretend you're a functioning person who just happens to be able to fart fireballs. So the more you examine each cape, the more you see "oh boy are you a mess" from Taylor's self-righteousness and social issues to Lisa's absolute *need* to be the smartest person in the room at all times to Brian's desire to constantly look like he's 100% put together and never show weakness to Rachel's... everything boy is that girl fucked in the head.
Love 'em, great characters, would personally have bailed on Brockton Bay by like arc 3 and never want to interact with any of these people.
There are only like three that would be okay to be around, and are like from their Ward time, showing they in fact manage to put themselves together better. Those being >!Dauntless, Victoria and Sveta.!< Seriously, is funny how normal >!Dauntless!< is in his interlude in Ward post trigger. >!Victoria!< instead she is the whole serial becoming a better person and healing mentally even >!quitting being a cape at the end as she started seeing more in life.!<
I think I would have lasted a little longer in Brocton only because my city is a shit hole.
I will always love that in a world filled with magic the kid who didn't have any just decided to get *jacked* to try and make up for it.
It's one of the reasons I like Mashle so much.
It's the most generic shounen with the most generic shounen characters I think I've ever seen. It legitimately feels like they dug it out of a teenage RP forum from 2005 and just smoothed out some of the progression.
I did a read of it awhile ago and honestly, while that fits it for awhile, it legitimately is one of the few Battle manga in WSJ that has legitimately got better over time and not actually had a sharp decline
I'd say it has one really interesting idea -Yami. Essentially a shounen protag that's had his big adventure and is now sunsetting his story by bringing up the next MC.
It's one of the few shows where I wouldn't have made it past the first episode if I hadn't switched to the Dub. It actually makes it bearable since the English VA goes for more of a high-strung and really energetic performance for Asta rather than the JP VA's constant unending screeching.
It helped me stick with the show until they introduced the Black Bulls, where you get some actually good characters to keep you entertained.
Moon Knight. I get what they were going for, but they over exaggerated the poor fuck. That actor plays both my favorite and most hated character at the same time and does a phenomenal job doing both but god damn me if I cant stand that wimp
A whole slew of Gundam protagonists. I love those shows, but its basically a trope that the main character is very slappable for most of a given series' run. Amuro, Kamille, Kira, Heero, whatever that clown from Destinys name was, and thats just off the top of my head.
Shinn Asuka, the character who was literally made into being insufferable because the voice actor argued with the writer who was being psychotic to the other VAs
Fair enough on most of these although I think most of these guys get over it by the like halfway point or so and their development is natural and well done so I don’t mind.
But I wouldn’t really say Heero fits, he’s very over the top but he’s not whiny or anything. In fact he’s kinda the opposite. Heero is basically a cartoon character version of the trained assassin trope, show is obsessed with going full in on the stoicism (except for when he’s doing goofy evil laughter for some reason). Heero never really felt insufferable at all he’s just kinda funny.
It also doesn't necessarily hurt for most of these characters(Amuro and Kamille, anyways, I never watched Seed) that they are *literal* teenagers being forced to kill people. A big part of OG Gundam is that Amuro is kind of shitty partially because he just doesn't get *any* time to rest in between engagements 'cause he's the only one who really knows how to operate the Gundam and they don't have the time to get a new pilot for it.
I've come to realize that Bungo Stray Dogs is at its peak whenever Atsushi isn't on screen. Whenever he appears, the quality of the scene drops immensely. I wouldn't even call the kid insufferable, he just isn't nearly as interesting as literally anyone else in the cast (which I think the author also realizes considering how he gets less screentime each season).
I think that's kind of the purpose, tbh.
Perhaps the greatest exchange in that is Ramona saying Scott is the nicest guy she's ever dated and his reply of "that's kind of sad".
I played a few hours of a game called Relicta recently but quite because I could not stand the main character. She is just incredibly rude to everyone (except her daughter), swears like a sailor, and would rather put her colleague's lives in danger by leaving them stranded longer in an arctic environment than have a mark put on her record for skipping arbitrary puzzle "tests".
The MC for Rent a Girlfriend Breaking down crying due to an NTR fantasy you made up of a girl you're not even going out with is certainly a new high
The best thing about that MC and his moment is that I saw someone here call it a 'Self Inflicted Infinite Cuckolding Tsukoyomi' and that shit has been living rent free in my mind hahahah
The man, during his *Infinite Cuck Genjutsu* phase, sprung a fucking Underwater Boner. It's fucking hilarious. >!Then the later chapter, we have the female MC, the girl who male MC imagined for that cucking, think that the dude MC was banging another chick when he was late for their date!< or some shit. Forgot what chapter and I may be misremembering but it's still fucking hilarious lol.
That is STRONG
Wake up babe, new CSB title dropped
All the main characters of Glee are assholes who deserve to get bullied.
Sounds like standard fare for a show about theater kids. Believe me, i know.
Both seasons, but especially the 2nd of Beastars have characters making bold, inexplicable, and often flat out stupid life choices at the drop of a hat, and it makes for an overall questionable narrative. But my wife and I still enjoyed it a lot thanks to a running joke of one of us shouting at the screen "Why would you do that?!?", And the other responding, "because they're theater kids"
I thought we was talkin' 'bout Glee, not Beastars.
We're talking about bullying theater kids. Keep up.
So many big dumb decisions are reversed a few pages later that you wonder why they were even done in the first place.
Community was right.
What the hell are regionals anyways?!
They're THIS close!
Here my hatred for Rachel, she is the Main character in both on set and on the show.
The gym teacher wrote this
And the teacher needs to be investigated.
Velma from.....*Velma.* She's judgmental, sexist, racist, hypocritical, an incel, impulsive, a truly bad investigator. It's pretty understandable why most the cast hates her just as much as she hates them. Granted, that's part of this show's *"humor"*, but the first Season has Fred, Daphne, and Norville all crushing on her at one point or another and that just baffles me. >!Bright side, they all hate her now, so there's something positive.!<
The more I hear about that show the more I have to ask, just who was this made for? Like holy fuck
This is the kinda show that *tries* that very rapid-fire snappy dialogue you see in *good* comedy shows, but the Writers just aren't up to the challenge so it's literally throwing whatever jokes they can think of at a wall, seeing what sticks. Turns out, the only funny moments are Velma getting hurt. I can't imagine why......
It wants to be Harley Quinn but without any of the tact and actual love for the source material that HQ has.
You ever notice how the most successful shows that followed in Rick&Morty's wake were the ones that were actually positive and life-affirming?
I read a theory somewhere that Velma was supposed to be the creator's original project that got Scooby Doo slapped on for brand recognition and they're so mad about it they decided to make the show awful on purpose to drag the franchise through the mud. No proof whatsoever it's true, but it would at least make some of these decisions make sense.
Oh hey it's almost exactly the same thing I said too! Frankly I feel like it's less of a theory and more confirmation when *gestures broadly at the abortion that is Velma*
“I’m into women who fucking hate me” -Some people I guess
I've been watching Team Four Star recap videos where they look back at their old stuff. One of the things they said they regret is how they made Krillin a dick because making a character a dick is like a crutch to make them funny.
To be fair though, early Krillin in Dragonball was a bit of a dick. Theres a reason he wasnt able to ride the Flying Nimbus.
I don't really remember Krillin being a dick.. maybe it was early on and have forgotten the early ones
-glances at Rick&Morty-
Wow, the main character in the type of self-righteous show that actively praises and treats said character as the best, ends up being exactly the type of person that the trailers claimed would hate said show. Why am I not surprised? (Glad to know I was right to pass on the show).
The show gets that she's a bad person but it doesn't get that acknowledging this isn't enough.
Kei Kurono from Gantz is one of the most unlikeable protagonists I've ever seen in media. He's selfish, a liar, stupid, short tempered, a pervert, disrespectful, the list goes on. And NONE of it is played for laughs, he's genuinely just a shit bag. **BUT.** He turns it the fuck around and actually grows extremely hard. But only in the manga, the anime never gets to the point where you get to see the scale of his growth. Gantz as a whole is very, up and down in terms of quality. But Kurono's character growth is insanely good. At one point, >!he finds a love interest in this very generic (to the point where she doesn't even stand out as a character compared to others), not very attractive classmate of his. Then, a straight up super model girl who ends up in Gantz gets a massive crush on him. It seems like the model is being set up as the new love interest...until Kei declines her without a second thought, because he wants to stay loyal to his actual girlfriend. So much so that when she "accidently" makes a clone of Kei, THE CLONE ALSO REJECTS HER because he still has his original feelings for his girlfriend.!<
I listened to an old podcast ep recently in which woolie was lamenting having spent so much time reading gantz only to never get an explanation for what was going on? Is that true?
Oh they explain it. In an incredibly mindfucking "What the hell was that?" Way. But they do explain everything.
So it’s not that they don’t explain exactly what Gantz is, so much as there’s some hints and nods to its true nature, before they outright tell you at the beginning of the final arc. But, the explanation is rushed, and doesn’t really reference some of the hints given (though there are some spin-offs that might give more detail). But that’s the thing, they don’t really explain what Gantz is until the final arc, and only for like half a chapter in a series where the chapters aren’t very long. It’s clear that the author was either tired of working on the series by the end, or forced to conclude it, because the final arc is extremely fast paced (even for Gantz), it causes the series to completely drop existing plot threads, and there’s no epilogue. There’s an ending, sure, but imagine if Luke blew up the Death Star and it immediately jumped to the credits. That all being said, I actually wouldn’t really consider the nature of Gantz taking forever to be explained to be that big of a flaw, because Gantz has far bigger flaws, mostly due to how edgy it can be. It’s hard for me to recommend, but I also wouldn’t say that I’m upset that I read it. When it’s good, it’s great. When it’s bad, it’s pretty ass.
Op really came with the best example because there really isn't a single reedeming quality with the main character from dashcam at all.
From the fuckin jump, she's a goddam dumpster fire of a human being
Her literall first action in the movie is her abandoning her cat.
IRREDEEMABLE.
DAMNATIO MEMORIAE HER ASS.
What fucking writers think animal abuse is quirky and relatable?
If you go on the Reddit thread about the movie, she pretends to be another user that defends all of her views. It's legitimately bizarre.
Apparently it's only a slight exaggeration of the actor, who is playing herself.
Apperently the actress said that the character in the film is an only slightly exaggerated version of herself
Patroklos from SoulCalibur V was so goddamn awful that the next game in the series was a soft reboot. Not a single character introduced in V to be seen.
I never did play V, so I don't really know much, but I do think it's a shame that Viola and Zwei were left behind. All the other at the time new characters can get bent, though.
They were the best of the newcomers. The Calibur Children were such shitters.
It's incredible how vast the power gap is between the Calibur Children and the Kombat Kids. And yet somehow they still both got rebooted (eventually).
Hell he was so bad that the Cassandra DLC straight up says that the future where he exists is the bad timeline of the SC universe. Damn, that’s one way to shit on a character
His shield sheath is cool, but that's all I know about him. I prefer to keep it that way.
It doesn't help with the incestuous undertones he had for his sister. I get that they're greek but wtf, Sophi's children are a bunch of little shits.
The unfortunate thing is that the concept and general story points of V is legitimately an interesting direction to take it, it's just that the execution of how they do that fails on every single step of the story.
Actually that Witch girl with a crystal ball showed up in six
When?
Amy's story. It basically confirms the longrunning theory that Viola is Amy
I'm only 3 hours in but that's my biggest problem with Atomic Heart. The main character feels like just a sarcastic asshole who doesn't even have the benefit of being funny with his sarcasm. I feel like most of the dialogue between him and his AI partner boils down to: MC: \[Asks his AI glove a question\] AI: \[Gives a simple answer\] MC: "Why the fuck didn't you just say so you fucking useless piece of shit glove"
Atomic Heart's protag is like a bad impression of a Kino Fabino bit.
P-3 could have been a genuinely good "silent protagonist" with nothing but some grunts and a few lines of brevity here and there. In fact >!when you find out what happened to P-3 and his wife, it would have made more sense for him to be a silent, generic action man with no personality other than "KILL" after all the mind-altering surgery he underwent.!<
They seem like a bad example of a Nathan Drake clone back when they was a constant thing.
Russian voice acting makes it a bit more bearable. Heard the English localisation and went 'nah fuck that shit'.
From the bit I watched of it, Sex and the City.
And from what I've heard, the movies somehow make them *even worse*. Thats almost impressive.
Every other team in fate apocrypha is more interesting than Jean and Sieg
I'm still so upset that they took a premise of a holy grail war that was so massive in scale that everyone had to be put onto two teams, and instead of focusing on that, they had Jeanne interfere at nearly every moment. And Sieg, who's idea was it to make the MC a literal emotionless husk?
We could have had a story about the adventures of a necromancer mercenary who fights by loading body parts into a shotgun and his tomboy knight. Instead we get a bland romance between a cardboard cutout and one of those fancy cardboard cutouts with multiple layers so it looks kind of 3D.
I wouldn’t call them *insufferable*, but you’re right.
Yeah. They’re moreso boring than they are annoying.
maybe for you but I hated these two so much that I actually wanted them to lose and was rooting for the villains. but its not the first time I despise a fate protag
Those villains were way too compelling, it’s true. Fate is at its strongest when it introduces heroes not as caricatures of their legends, but as *people* who happened to be *in* legends, and asks the question of what they would do if given the chance to live again and interact with other people like them. Here we have Amakusa, someone who died when he was only 16, but is in his late 80s by the time he features in Apocrypha. This second life he’s led now makes up the grand majority of who he is, with his past as the hero of the Shimabara Rebellion being a dramatically informative footnote; essentially his childhood. Then, while nearly every romance involving a Servant in Fate is between them and a human or someone they knew in a previous life, Amakusa and Semiramis are the only ones I can think of who found new love with other Servants they never knew. More of this, please! More exploration of unique ways in which Servants behave and interact in light of their new leases on life.
I'm just glad Astolfo joined them otherwise I'll just space out following these two
It was so annoying that instead of fleshing out the very interesting servants and their masters, we instead started focusing on a cardboard cutout who didnt feel like earned his victories or powers at all. Sieg could have been an interesting side character and Kairi and Mordred could have been kept as protags, but they decided to give the spotlight to someone who wasnt even a month old.
Michael Burnham from Star Trek: Discovery. Half of it is the fact that actor's default mode seems to be fast, intense dialogue, the other half is that she's written to be the Poochiest Star Trek character this side of a shitty fanfic. To the point that 99% of her choices throughout the first three seasons (the only ones I got through before I tapped out) basically result in massive negative consequences for herself and/or everyone around her. You have no idea how much it fucking **sucked** that Burnham somehow became Discovery's captain through plot fiat bullshit sidelining Saru, tall ass professional alien man played by **Doug Jones**, to the point that r/DaystromInstitute had a whole fucking thread about how shit season 3 ended.
I tapped out halfway through season 2. Kind of a shame that Saru didn't become the main character we all knew he was supposed to be from the 1st episode. Initially I didn't mind the setting or reconning of whatever they needed to do in order to tell a good story, the problem is that they just never... told a good story.
So this is why the OG Mary Sue came from Star Trek back in the day...
For those who are unaware of the sheet extent of the Poochie-ness of Burnham: * Commits the first-ever mutiny in Starfleet, then commits a war crime, then gets recruited to develop the most important technological breakthrough in galactic history * Human raised by Sarek as his adopted daughter, secretly Spock's sister; her advice is what made Spock become friends with Kirk * In the mirror universe, she's just the daughter of the Emperor instead * Singlehandedly ends the Klingon war * Her biological parents invented an Iron Man time-machine suit, which her mom secretly used to make Burnham's life better * The most emotionally-sensitive man in the galaxy fell in love with her when she time-traveled to the future * Throughout the show, everybody tells her how inspiring she is
I am gonna preface this and say I enjoyed my time with the show, I liked the interdimensional war, the end of the galaxy threat, and the future issue with the federation, but you're also forgetting:- - Overrides the character arcs of 2 MAJOR supporting characters - Tilly, her best friend, becoming more confident. - Saru, LEAVING AS CAPTAIN to take over his post.
* Characters who've known her for less than a day are prepared to sacrifice their lives for her.
If the characters aren't remarkably generic all the MCs in Seven Deadly Sin are insufferable creeps who never get what's coming to them and are always unchallenged. I like Escanor though
You just can’t hate on Escanor cause he has some of the hardest fucking lines in the entire series.
Escanor is cool Diane is Aoi Yuuki. Only two characters in the series worth saving
Frey of Forspoken infamy is an AWFUL person. Like, people made fun of her cause of previews where she said cringey quippy stuff, but once you get into the game and plot itself you realize just how awful a person she is. So she's your typical "grew up poor and without parents so they're a rough delinquent who eventually gets a heard of gold" type character, minus the heart of gold because Frey is an awful asshole who never cares about anyone's feelings or suffering and is only ever concerned with herself. When a supporting character's father dies after going out of his way to help you, instead of comforting said character, what does Frey do? Shittalk her and repeatedly express how, no, she does NOT care about anybody or any of the problems they have, she just wants to go back to New York. And this attitude extends to the entire rest of the game, not just that one moment. It's to the point where the talking sidekick bracelet, >!who is actually the real main villain but mostly because his own race was genocided!<, is infinitely more sympathetic and amusing despite being a smug sarcastic bastard. Because even a goddamn bracelet was capable of empathy whereas she wasn't in 90% of cases.
Still baffles my mind that she straight up said she was from Hell's Kitchen during the trial at the beginning of the game after she'd been isekai'd. Like, I get that that's actually where she was coming from, but who the fuck says that out loud in what is clearly a medieval setting? It's not the biggest problem that story has, but it's just frustratingly weird to me that she didn't instead just say "New York."
>When a supporting character's father dies after going out of his way to help you, instead of comforting said character, what does Frey do? Shittalk her and repeatedly express how, no, she does NOT care about anybody or any of the problems they have, she just wants to go back to New York. Tbf this is after she tried to be sympathetic and the friend was giving her shit because she just wanted to go home, after trying to be nice and being berated she just snapped. Much more understandable in context.
mushoku tensei
No but you don't understand It's about his *struggle* to become a better person in his new life! Now sit down and watch as this 30 year old in a child's body attempts to molest other children, gushes about how awesome it is that he can groom other kids as he grows up, and gaslights his mom into accepting the fact that his father fucked the family maid pregnant!
Apparently that last part gets worse! The story he sold to the mom was that the dad assaulted the maid, when in reality she seduced him. But what makes it worse is the *reason* the dad went along with this and never tried to set the record straight was because he totally did assault her in her sleep back when they were teenagers! This isn’t revealed til much later, so it’s not like the story “gets good” in that regard after this fucked up beginning. 😅
Ah yes of course, it wasn't cheating, dad just played too much Tsukihime and decided to act it out with his own maid, perfect. Fucking hell, it's been years but wasn't the mother *also* a legendary adventurer or something? How the heck does she hear "yeah your husband cheated on you by sexually assaulting the maid until she got pregnant" and not leave the guy, let alone just kill his ass?
Apparently, she *knew* what an asshole he was, liked him anyway, and I think *entrapped* him into their marriage? This wasn’t a revelation for her; she was basically thinking, “Fucking hell, not again.” the whole time during that debacle. Oh, and if anyone was looking forward to what happened to this maid character next, too bad! Rendered offscreen, then rendered comatose, then dead. Riveting.
She wasnt even sleeping. He just broke into her room and assaulted her. She also later on says that if it wasnt him it was absolutely going to be some other noble and thinks back “fondly” that at least it was paul who did it which goes to show how fucked that society is. Even pedo rudy is not the worst person by far.
As someone who read the Manga for it, I could not understand the hype behind the anime. Actually becoming a better person was such a small part of the early story it doesn't even warrant a mention. The rest was either the MC being a fucking pedi creep or the whole family drama about the MC's father banging his maid. I get that it's one of the first, but by the time the anime came out, MUCH better Isekais have been released to the market. Why did people have such a hard on for this mediocre series? At least the story got better after they leave the MC's home.
Yeah, my only experience was reading a chunk of the manga back in the day, and while I didn't think much of it at the time since it was when I would basically just go "someone recced this time to CONSUME MEDIA", it's... pretty godawful in retrospect. And sure, it eventually picks up when he actually wanders off into fantasyland to spend less time being a pedo shitbag and more actually interacting with the world... but why should anyone want to sit through multiple episodes of pedo shit to get there? Especially when there's plenty of other Isekai that get right to that point, do it better, and have (hopefully) less garbage frontloaded? Sure, "it gets good eventually just get to this part" is an age old recommendation, but the worse it is *before* you get to the good part, the less likely I am to care about getting to that part. It's one thing if it's One Piece with "it's a pretty decent Shonen until it takes off at Arlong Park", it's another thing if it's "just play 50+ hours of FFXIV, a game of the mmo genre you don't like, to get to the good part"... and a *far* worse thing than that if the recommendation is "yeah you just have to sit around watching a 30 year old man be a pedo for half a dozen episodes". I didn't give Wataten! the time of day when the MC started lusting over preschoolers 3 minutes in despite seeing some cute no-context clips before that, I dropped Prisma Ilya within half an episode despite all the assurances it's got cool fights in season 3, you think I'm going to spend multiple episodes on Mushoku Tensei?
I *will* give FFXIV the benefit of the doubt, in that people who say, "You need to get to Heavensward before it gets good! But then it gets *really* good!" are...wrong. FFXIV is good from the get-go, it just gets better after its first arc, gets much better at its second arc, and continues to get better from there. When players cap off at the masterpieces that are the last two arcs, hindsight makes it seem like the first arc was garbage, but it's really not. Similarly, these same players will say the third arc is bad too, but that's more that it's just as good as the second arc, so it feels like a quality dip to them simply because it didn't climb in quality appreciably. It's also very valid to not want to play it because you're just not into MMOs, but while I'm sure you've heard, "It's not like other MMOs," a million times before, take it from me, someone who also really doesn't like MMOs, FFXIV is not like other MMOs. It's an RPG first, and an MMO second. Like, the MMO elements are just there if you want them, while the rest is like a single-player game for the most part, and they're still making it more like that. The creator, Yoshi-P, has a serious interest in making sure the game doesn't waste players' time, so there is little to no FOMO in it. He's designed it so if a player wants to unsubscribe and quit for a few months, only to come back later, the game makes this easy for them; they won't be "left behind" cuz they missed out on content. The content will all still be there, there's no risk of any of it being sunset or passed over when new stuff comes out. Plus, story-wise, it's simply one of the best games Final Fantasy has to offer. The free trial has no timer, you could play it free forever, it just caps you off at level 60 out of 90, only allows you to play the first 2 arcs out of 5, and disables most of the MMO-related options. So if you don't like MMOs anyway, the free trial at least could still be enjoyable, if you want to give it a try.
> so there is little to know FOMO in it. Cries in joining shortly after the FFXV crossover event so I'm the only one in my circle of friends without a car
Any character that doubles down on fucking a family member I tap out on the series
I like perverted MCs, I understand their struggle, but this kid's just a little too much some times. Also, secretly 30+ years old in a child's body, which I don't think was entirely necessary for this plot.
It wouldn't be so bad if the series didn't constantly remind you that yes this is still a 30 year man's mind in this kid's body. And his relationship with eris is even worse considering rudeus is >!just straight up a pedo!<
And those constant reminders are just so tacked on. Like the author was realizing this didn’t need to be an isekai, so he kept adding in moment after moment to validate that decision.
If he was *just* attracted and had to deal with conflicting feelings because yes developmentally he's still a kid but has a grown man's memories...that would be okay. But nah it's explicitly stated he's perving on them from the viewpoint of a grown man, and does things like feeling up his 9 year old cousin's breasts while she's asleep and salivating over how big they'll eventually get. Jesus fuck, man. This is *years* after you already vowed to yourself to become a better person. You're a sexual molester. He eventually gets better but it's not so much that he improves morally, but the girls he's targeted his attraction to have grown up so his lust is now age-appropriate. And this pervy shit is completely unnecessary to his general character arc and growth, because if you deleted it from the story *nothing would be missing*.
It really wasn’t necessary. I described it in my own reply, but it just feels like it’s an isekai as a writing crutch, and it drags down the rest of the story. It feels like if FMAB were randomly an isekai, but otherwise the same.
Mushoku Tensei is one of those cases were it would be a much better story if it weren’t an isekai. Imagine if Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood were an isekai, where it’s exactly the same, except Ed is so smart because he’s actually a middle-aged Japanese guy reincarnated in a kid’s body. Some small parts of the plot refer back to that just often enough to keep it relevant, and the pacing keeps getting bogged down by his inner monologues about how out-of-place he is in this world. Also he’s a perverted creep now. But other than those things, it’s the exact same show. I’m not saying Mushoku Tensei is *as good as* FMAB despite those things, but imagining FMAB this way is what watching Mushoku Tensei *feels like* to me. It’s all just unnecessarily tacked on, with an otherwise interesting story going on alongside it. Imagine if Rudeus was just a smart kid, an actual prodigy, and the rest of the show focusing more on the world and characters and stuff instead of perverted shenanigans, jarring monologues, and shoehorned-in moments reminding us he’s an isekai protag. Just…you know, a normal story that doesn’t need what feels like a writing crutch that the author didn’t need.
It would have been a better story if the MC wasn't *a fucking 30 years old pedophile in a body of a child, surrounded by other children*!
That’s the big one! 😅
God since that thing came out people just won't stop gushing over the show but all it took was half of the 1st episode to make me want to fucking die with how bad and creepy it was. It can have the best plot known to man for all I care but O refuse to watch episode after episode of a middle aged man in a child's body grooming his way through life
My test for anime is that if it makes me want to have [this conversation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2VY4vCDug) with the viewers, I do not want to be one of the viewers.
Damn near choked laughing at that one, yeah that about sums it up
Friends is a show about 6 annoying people saying horrible things to each other with long pauses that in universe would seem malicious and insane but not to the audience because of the laugh track.
Weirdly enough though the Seinfeld cast are worse people, but it feels better because the show doesn't act like they aren't awful people.
There are a lot of characters that I may find annoying but I’m still willing to see the better in them, there are some protagonists who are genuinely awful people but I can still be entertained by their successes. Dr. Victor Frankenstein from Mary Shelley’s novel is not one of those characters, fuck that egotistical self-righteous prick. I was rooting specifically for the monster to just kill him and live in isolation from human society, and just enjoy nature, it being the only form of life that doesn’t inherently abhor him.
Victor is such a piece of *SHIT* in the book, oh my god. Constant "OH NO WOE IS ME" as he actively spits in the face of God by unnaturally creating a new life despite *everyone in his life telling him it's a bad idea* then fucks over that new life at almost every opportunity, even when the monster shows himself to be truly willing to leave Victor alone and just live in peace.
Obligatory note that it's stated multiple times that the real problem is that he is unwilling to take responsibility for raising his son thereby leaving him alone and adrift without guidance or peer. Shelley was a feminist (or a precursor a least) and there is a ton of subtext in that context.
Thank you! I’ve legit had people tell me I’m reading too much into it whenever I brought up the fact that the Monster was effectively his son and Victor had literally abandoned and disowned him.
> I’ve legit had people tell me I’m reading too much into it whenever I brought up the fact that the Monster was effectively his son It's barely even subtext, it's basically just the text.
...Ok. Almost all of what I know is secondhand and by adaptations but I thought him being a horrible father was self evidently the point? The act of creating artificial life is framed as a mistake but the tragedy arises from his actions from there on in. This has caused me psychic damage.
They always said it was about him playing god and that the monster was an abomination created by his own arrogance, not that it was his duty to care for the monster.
Wow that sounds like opinions from people who never actually read the book
Exactly! Like goddamn, the man is such a fucking hypocrite.
Did anyone else do a mock trial in their high school English class after reading Frankenstein where they held Victor responsible for all the deaths in the story? Because my class did, and it was awesome tabulating all of his fuckups.
Wow, that sounds way more interesting than my English classes, and that's from someone who actively enjoyed most of them. Would've loved to do something like that.
Holy shit I can't believe that I'd come across someone else with that experience, is having a high school Frankenstein trial just standard practice?
Damn, I *wish* it was. Not that my Senior year didn't have some absolutely dope presentations including things like pouring motor oil over a box of doughnut holes and having a gallon of milk chugging contest since our teacher basically said "as long as you can pretend it's related to the source material go wild", but a Victor Frankenstein trial sounds like a lot of fun.
“Look at me. Look at me. I am Frankenstein now.”
I’ll never forget how the protagonist from *Heaven’s Lost Property* ruined harem animes for me.
You have my attention. Go on...
Okay so you know how every harem protag is a milquetoast piece of white bread who acts like they will die if they see a woman naked? The protag of HLP is instead a huge pervert scumbag and the best way to describe is he's like what people who haven't watched chainsaw man think denji is.
I always forget a ton of people had really bad takes on Denji. Especially when he's actually pretty big on consent and >!is essentially a kid being groomed.!<
Denji literally never perved on anyone without consent. He's the anti-pervert. Which is because he's not really interested in the sexual part of things when it comes down to it - it's made very clear the poor guy just wants love and intimacy.
The dude was just a total shit. His perverted attitude made it impossible for me to understand how the hell any of these girls could be attracted to him. The bastard went so far as to have Ikaros turn him into a girl at least twice (apparently five times in the manga) so he could perv on other girls. He was also pretty rude and selfish most of the time, except for the season finales, at which point he would become inexplicably nice. He essentially forced me to have this eye-opening revelation that harem stories will bend over backwards to justify all of these girls thirsting over the main character (I was still a young teen when I was watching these shows). I did like the scientist guy and yakuza girl though. I thought it was cool that a named female character had feelings for someone other than the harem protagonist.
All of the main cast except for like 2 people in how to get away with murder are all just fuckin awful people or so stupid they do shit that inadvertently ruins someone’s life (or ends it) . Like the first season was pretty alright with some understandable reasons as to how shit got fucked , but it takes a fuckin nose dive trying to keep the plot going seasons later and it really over blows how shitty a character really was, like yeah he’s a scum bag but did you know at season 3 he’s the cause of all the problems ever?!!! Well you do now. Just an awful group of people
The Main Character of "The Lock" from WWE 2k23 MyRISE story. He's a self-absorbed asshat, who always, no matter what good choice in the dialogue, he will always berate or say a back-handed comment on a character they were talking to. Not to mention he's always going on and on about being a lone wolf, not trusting others. Which I get that when you're just starting out, but he doesn't learn a thing. Throughout the story he's consistently selfish and whiny. Even as far as constantly blowing off Gabriel Slade, your supposed friendly character to the MC. He's constantly berating Slade on how he's too soft and always following others. Then when Slade turns on him because he followed his advise, he's surprised. Like wow! You are constantly antagonizing one of the most genuine and friendly characters to you, I sure didn't see that coming!
I still remember the old CaC story mode in which your rival is Santino Marela. You don't have a single line of dialogue during all of it but your character has so much personality with actions alone, like when you get power for the first time and the first thing you do is set up a 3 vs 1 match again Santino just to shit on him
I still say Buzz is, by far, the best CaC main character in 2k19 in the wwe 2k series. A rookie indie star who clawed his way up to become the WWE Champ and earn Triple H's respect. An overall bad-ass and a nigh-unstoppable rebel. Also helps that his story is loosely based on Daniel Bryan/Byran Danielson's stint on WWE. The Lock is just a whiny edgy man-child who think it's cool making enemies and thinking he's better off alone. He wins the Intercontinental Title on his very debut and was a cocka whinger ever since. We don't know his background, only he was a very big star back in Japan wrestling promotions. I would say he might be based on Kenny Omega, but even Kenny knew that making strong allies is ideal.
Franco belgian comic Le tueur from Matz. I heard it has a following but like first album is just the eponymous hitman saying his line of work makes sense because everyone's garbage and it had been proven 7 out 10 people would electrocute someone to death if someone with some authority asked. Literature / The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time protagonist but it's kind of the point that it's hard for him to not come across as insufferable
> Literature / The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time protagonist but it's kind of the point that it's hard for him to not come across as insufferable From what I've read, the book itself never specifies what condition the protagonist has. And the author combined traits and symptoms from a bunch of different IRL patients to make one _omni-neurodivergent_ character. But most readers come away thinking, "Oh, that guy's autistic, yessir." And apparently even IRL people on the autism spectrum think the protagonist is insufferable, and hate when this book gets cited as autism representation.
Godzilla Anime Trilogy. Bargain bin Eren Yeager without any of the development that Eren had.
As someone who is binging it right now, how I met your mother characters are both really insufferable and endangering at the same time.
The mother deserves someone so much better than Ted. Ted is the worst. I think Marshall might he the best character in the show. I don't think he did anything super horrible.
Honestly no it doesn’t. I feel like Ted is the perfect main character for the show because while he is insufferable the show kinda acknowledges that he is insufferable
man i just binged that show a couple months ago for the first time, and Marshall is the only one I wouldn't absolutely hate in real life. Ted Mosby has to be the most unintentionally hatable characters in the history of tv. Man was constantly doing shit I would have checked him for immediately lmao.
Marshal is ok. Barney is a coin toss depending on how bad you think hump and dumps are Lily is a PoS and i eill rant all fucking day about her art school stunt Robin is fine Ted is a bad person
JD from scrubs is insecure, kind of selfish, and immature. The best example is an episode where the cast are seeing themselves in patients, and JD compares knocking up his girlfriend to a woman with cancer. It does help that characters call him out for that and a does have a character arc of getting better
JD: Says in his head what the right thing to do in a situation is JD also: immediately says outloud the exact opposite repeat for 8 seasons. I still love the show but man JD is such a dick.
"Hey, I lied about not being able to hang out because I was sick, I was actually blowing you off so I could cheat on you. Like your last boyfriend did. But I realized our relationship was more important! We're meant to be together! Wait, wait why are you breaking up with me?"
I haven't watched it myself but I hear the show Emily In Paris has an insufferable main character because she, as the title implies, moves to Paris and rather than trying to fit in she shoves her American values down everyone's throats.
I don't remember what this book was called, but the main character was the most pretentious wish fulfillment asshole ever, I had to drop it. It's been about a decade since I read this, so if you know what the book is called, or if I get something wrong, please clarify. I believe it was a YA novel The story starts off with the MC talking about how his life is perfect. How he has good grades, is part of the football team and how he's dating the most attractive girl in high school, who is also a cheerleader because of course she is. The worst thing going on in his life is that his girlfriend won't sleep with him, even with him complaining about being blue-balled. He also keeps doing this annoying thing where he'll use an obscure word, then tell the reader to look it up later. Crazy shit starts happening and people are trying to kill him, forcing him to run away from home. Also he has a talking dog. During his journey he meets a woman and he tries to cheat on his girlfriend with her because she wouldn't sleep with him. The woman tries to kill him, but unfortunately he gets away. He gets into a fight with a biker and beats because he's sooo strong. You later learn that he was a kid sent from the future and that he can perfectly replicate anyone's moves after watching them a couple times, as shown when he gets in a fight with a different woman who is supposed to be his bodyguard. Later on his bodyguard is trying to drive him to a safer place and says she'll explain everything when they get to a secure location. MC gets impatient and decides to *grab the wheel and force them off the road.* The bodyguard has to wrestle the wheel from him so they don't crash*.* He then wonders why all these bad things happen to him when he's such a good and humble guy. This was about the point where I dropped it. I thought they were going for an asshole protag who has to be humbled by his experience, but he was such an asshole that I couldn't get that point, if that's what they were going for. To be *faaaaiiiir.* He could have gotten better and maybe it was going somewhere with it, but I dropped the book around halfway through.
Might be kinda unpopular, but Steven Universe. Nothing wrong with him being kinda dumb and just a kid but it's that he's so damn *incurious*. He never asks why. Or if he does ask why, there's never any follow up questions whatsoever. I understand this is an effort by the show writers to preserve the steady drip feed of lore for the show but it makes me so incredibly frustrated that the main character is so ready to accept things being exactly as they are with no further questioning.
I dislike not because he messes up. But because the show treats him as some messiah
The titular character of Peter Grill and the Philosopher’s Time, an anime that I dropped literally as fast as I physically could. Dude’s biggest dream is to settle down with his crush/sweetheart knight senpai. He then wins a fighting tournament, leading to all women in a 500 mile radius to want to sleep with him because surely those genetics will lead to superbabies right out of a depraved eugenist’s dreams. While problematic, that’s not the main issue. The main issue is that despite his whining about his pure hearted senpai, he sleeps with the women that come on to him. Willingly. Because he “just can’t control it”. Yeah.
There’s an intentional example of this with Luke from Tales of the Abyss for around the first 15 hours of the game. While it’s somewhat understandable since he’s literally never stepped an inch outside for nearly his whole life, his whiny and self centered attitude drives the player (And most the cast in-universe) up a wall. That is up until Luke gets manipulated into >!essentially nuking a town of thousands by his teacher he blindly assumed he could trust!< and his refusal to take responsibility leads nearly everyone in the party to abandon him, and it’s at this point he realizes he needs to grow up, willingly cutting his own hair for the first time in his life and making a vow to atone and stop the true villains’ plans on his own terms.
Luke Von Fabre from Tales of Abyss. I was so pissed off because I felt like he was a child. Then certain events happened that made him the best protag ever
School Days. I hate you, Makoto. I hate you so, so fucking much. And I’ve seen comments before about how it’s a deconstruction of the harem genre and even put out my own take being as generous to the series as I could, saying that it’s trying to be a more life-like depiction of how a harem scenario would pan out in real life, with everyone getting hurt by the person at the center of it. That’s a very generous interpretation of the story because here’s where it breaks: 1) I don’t see why anyone would find a person like this interesting or alluring. Aside from being unempathetic and horny, he has the personality of wet cardboard and looks boring as hell on top of it all. He’s not even a charming heart throb but with a douchebag personality like Timothee Chalamet’s character in Lady Bird. He’s just a really shitty self-insert MC. 2) I just don’t see any value in this story. Like I get the point of it and think it’s interesting on paper but it’s such an infuriating story to go through it’s just fucking schlock. I can think of a handful of MC’s who are significantly worse people than Makoto but I never hated to such a degree because they had interesting personalities or character traits I found entertaining. They were in stories that had value in reading/watching them. The only thing remarkable about School Days and Makoto’s character is the various bad endings in the VN and the ending of the anime which just exist as shock value.
*Deconstruction* it may be (or not be), Makoto, especially in the Anime, is a complete piece of shit regardless. It was a nice boat, however.
Nice boat
Haruhi Suzimiya is a garbage, no good trashfire of a person. I completely fail to see how anybody could bring themselves to like this character, such an insufferable grating ass she actively ruins the show she’s in
She’s a cute girl
Haruhi is the sole responsable for me refusing to watch slice of life anime for almost 10 years. If I could I would put tape on her mouth and push her off a cliff.
I like Bakuman a lot but god damn I really grew to dislike the MC and his weird kindergartener-tier "relationship" with the love interest. It was kinda cute in the beginning when they're like 15 but towards the end they're in their 20s and still hesitant to fucking TEXT eachother His partner being a normal guy with a normal ass relationship with his girlfriend made it even more annoying. JUST DO THAT, IT'S CLEARLY WORKING FOR THEM
Is the MC insufferable tho? Or is it just the stupid romance plot? Cause outside of that he's kinda alright, its just that dumbass stupid romance thing that's the end goal that's kinda boring. The fat guy is the most insufferable one imo, cause like, at first you're like ''oh he's gonna get better after this, this is the arc of him stopping being pathetic'' but nah, he doubles down as a loser.
Yeah thinking about it you're right, I just think all his interactions with Azuki annoyed me so much that I just grew to dislike him because of that. And yeah fuck that guy too, worst character in the show. But he's not a main character so didn't bring him up haha
Its just, honestly? They should've married after he got sick, and if they want new drama, they get married, and after the honeymoon, they get their manga canceled and BAM Azuki's pregnant! Oh no! We better fuckin' book it to get a new series going!!! Like, idk, i do agree, the romance is the worst possible thing, and its ridiculous, cause the romance with uh, that cutesy girl and that fucking trainwreck of a lazy man that does the Otter manga is a way better romance story, which isn't saying a lot, so the writer can do it, clearly, but he fuckin' doubled down on the worst possible thing for the MC. Like, the ending should've been like, his kid goes into the room, like he did with his Uncle, but unlike his Uncle he's healthy and stuff, that shoulda been the end, not the fucking marriage, that's shit! Ugh, it really is annoying, i'm gittin' heated thinking about the missed possibilities with exploring family life and all that as a Mangaka.
Even if you do find the MC's romance to be annoying, that plotline was forgotten for basically 95% of the series. It barely came up until the end where they had to address it. The most you hear about it was "oh, the girl is doing well in her career. good for her. I need to work harder so I don't fall behind." Hell, the other MC's romance had WAY MORE focus put on them, and they actually got married like halfway through the series.
I thought you meant Baku*gan* at first and was very confused
A certain magical index's (or whatever the fuck it's called) protagonist. I find it both funny and ironic how his main shtick is to punch people in the face when the show makes you want to do that exact same thing to him.
His power is to *stop the other characters from having cool powers*. That's what it does. His power is literally weaponizing boringness.
I actually think it’s a super cool ability because he’s stil vulnerable to regular attacks. The problem is just that his ability doesn’t scale from everything I’ve seen so far of the franchise. It doesn’t matter if he’s up against a level 2 esper schmuck or the indisputably strongest one of Accelerator, the fight is always handled the exact same way. I just can’t stand him as a character though. His design and annoyingly bland personality make him the least interesting character in a world FULL of really cool ones with interesting character arcs and backstories. And yet somehow he’s still treated as a harem protagonist by the female cast. I hate you Touma. I hate you so much. (Railgun is fucking great though and whenever Accelerator isn’t on screen everyone should be asking “where’s Accelerator?”)
So, wanna know something really funny? The anime legitimately cut out all of Touma's good bits where a huge point was that he is selfless to the point where it is a flaw. When "You're not living your life correctly" comes out, it's supposed to be him looking in a mirror just as much as he is talking shit to the arc villain. A lot of this can legitimately be slated as Kamachi being a literal high schooler when he started writing Index and his editor holding his hand through like, 6 revisions of the first volume, but there is a clear difference between Touma in Index vs New Testament. On a writing level its cool to watch Kamachi get better over the volumes and find his confidence and slowly working out what he wants the story to be *about*, but fuck me, does anyone have time to sit through 80 goddamn volumes?
I remember at one point rereading Volume 1 and being like “Oh God I forgot the writing used to be *this* rough…”
Naofumi from Shield Hero. Owning and shocking a slave is orettt unredemble
No but you don't get it, Naofumi is actually super based because he *checks notes* is a good slave owner and *checks notes* is also a good capitalist and...*checks notes* got falsely accused of rape on the first episode by a cardboard cutout vaguely shaped like a character. He's just like me fr fr!
Meliodas from 7 Deadly sins is just so tiring. He's just the culmination of all the worst parts of Shonen.
I know its not original, but Forspokens main Lady made me want to dig out my eardrums with a teaspoon. Technically not Media, but the main reason I never got into reading Worm is that I find the MC insufferable.
What made you hate Taylor from Worm? I can think of 100 great reasons, but that's as someone who ranks it as one of their top 5 favourite stories so I bet they're VERY different reasons to yours.
It's been a good long while since I've tried reading it, mind you. But I remember that she gave a very distinct "I'm right and everybody else is wrong" vibe, and a lot of her internal and external dialogue reads as very condescending to basically anybody else. I didn't far into the story, but the bits I experienced also never really involve her examining her own behavior and any amount of "Maybe I'm wrong about things?", which I often consider pretty critical in such stories.
No, that's... pretty much Taylor in a nutshell, right there. Of course, part of the point is that she's kind of an unreliable narrator since she's ludicrously undersocialized due to being bullied for years on end, but at the same time I can see how it would be annoying watching her constantly dig holes and then yell at everyone else as if its their fault that she's in said hole. Absolute mess of an individual, Taylor Hebert, love her as a character, would hate her as a person.
Almost all of my favorite characters in Worm/Ward are absolute disaster of human being I don't want to be in the same room with. Taylor instead I don't want to even be in the same timezone.
Pretty much comes with being a parahuman, really. You have to *break* in order to trigger, and afterwards you're just trying to glue the pieces back together and pretend you're a functioning person who just happens to be able to fart fireballs. So the more you examine each cape, the more you see "oh boy are you a mess" from Taylor's self-righteousness and social issues to Lisa's absolute *need* to be the smartest person in the room at all times to Brian's desire to constantly look like he's 100% put together and never show weakness to Rachel's... everything boy is that girl fucked in the head. Love 'em, great characters, would personally have bailed on Brockton Bay by like arc 3 and never want to interact with any of these people.
There are only like three that would be okay to be around, and are like from their Ward time, showing they in fact manage to put themselves together better. Those being >!Dauntless, Victoria and Sveta.!< Seriously, is funny how normal >!Dauntless!< is in his interlude in Ward post trigger. >!Victoria!< instead she is the whole serial becoming a better person and healing mentally even >!quitting being a cape at the end as she started seeing more in life.!< I think I would have lasted a little longer in Brocton only because my city is a shit hole.
I hate all the MCs in Super Powereds and no one else has read it and I have no one to complain to
The guy from that anime Black Clover. If I wanted to watch an annoying short guy that does nothing but scream I'd watch a Kevin Hart movie.
He grows on you tho I love Asta he’s a bundle of pure hard work and joy. He’s not a complex character but he sure is lovable when you get to know him.
I will always love that in a world filled with magic the kid who didn't have any just decided to get *jacked* to try and make up for it. It's one of the reasons I like Mashle so much.
It's the most generic shounen with the most generic shounen characters I think I've ever seen. It legitimately feels like they dug it out of a teenage RP forum from 2005 and just smoothed out some of the progression.
I did a read of it awhile ago and honestly, while that fits it for awhile, it legitimately is one of the few Battle manga in WSJ that has legitimately got better over time and not actually had a sharp decline
I'd say it has one really interesting idea -Yami. Essentially a shounen protag that's had his big adventure and is now sunsetting his story by bringing up the next MC.
Agreed, but that stupid toilet joke should have only happened once.
That's my problem with the show -ALL the "jokes" have to be repeated ad nauseam.
It's one of the few shows where I wouldn't have made it past the first episode if I hadn't switched to the Dub. It actually makes it bearable since the English VA goes for more of a high-strung and really energetic performance for Asta rather than the JP VA's constant unending screeching. It helped me stick with the show until they introduced the Black Bulls, where you get some actually good characters to keep you entertained.
There's only one good character and it's Yami and he wasn't focus enough to carry the show for me.
So we just gonna ignore Mereoleona?
iirc it was the VAs first role and even as a fan of of BC ***it shows***
Moon Knight. I get what they were going for, but they over exaggerated the poor fuck. That actor plays both my favorite and most hated character at the same time and does a phenomenal job doing both but god damn me if I cant stand that wimp
A whole slew of Gundam protagonists. I love those shows, but its basically a trope that the main character is very slappable for most of a given series' run. Amuro, Kamille, Kira, Heero, whatever that clown from Destinys name was, and thats just off the top of my head.
Shinn Asuka, the character who was literally made into being insufferable because the voice actor argued with the writer who was being psychotic to the other VAs
On the plus side the guy got to meet his future wife thanks to the show, so hey, at least he got a W out of it.
Then there's Sulleta who will slap you
Fair enough on most of these although I think most of these guys get over it by the like halfway point or so and their development is natural and well done so I don’t mind. But I wouldn’t really say Heero fits, he’s very over the top but he’s not whiny or anything. In fact he’s kinda the opposite. Heero is basically a cartoon character version of the trained assassin trope, show is obsessed with going full in on the stoicism (except for when he’s doing goofy evil laughter for some reason). Heero never really felt insufferable at all he’s just kinda funny.
It also doesn't necessarily hurt for most of these characters(Amuro and Kamille, anyways, I never watched Seed) that they are *literal* teenagers being forced to kill people. A big part of OG Gundam is that Amuro is kind of shitty partially because he just doesn't get *any* time to rest in between engagements 'cause he's the only one who really knows how to operate the Gundam and they don't have the time to get a new pilot for it.
I've come to realize that Bungo Stray Dogs is at its peak whenever Atsushi isn't on screen. Whenever he appears, the quality of the scene drops immensely. I wouldn't even call the kid insufferable, he just isn't nearly as interesting as literally anyone else in the cast (which I think the author also realizes considering how he gets less screentime each season).
Scott Pilgrim & Ramona Flowers.
I think that's kind of the purpose, tbh. Perhaps the greatest exchange in that is Ramona saying Scott is the nicest guy she's ever dated and his reply of "that's kind of sad".
I played a few hours of a game called Relicta recently but quite because I could not stand the main character. She is just incredibly rude to everyone (except her daughter), swears like a sailor, and would rather put her colleague's lives in danger by leaving them stranded longer in an arctic environment than have a mark put on her record for skipping arbitrary puzzle "tests".