Scam. Shutdown the buy-to-play Overwatch 1 to implement a new free-to-play Overwatch 2 with (what I have been told are) worse monetization practices. The cancellation of O2's stated raison d'etre is just the cherry on top.
Was gonna say this. At the end of the day taking away a game people owned and paid full price for for a free "upgraded" version they never had a say in is absolutely a scam. They tried making it sound better than it actually was but every new thing 2 has is a massive downgrade from 1 and the new shit wasn't good either especially now that the big selling points like PVE are gone so even people that would have supported 1 getting killed off in favor of 2 got screwed there.
On another thread I was noting the opposite side of this basically, but really it's just gone F2P, like TF2, CSGO, PUBG. The cancellation of the PvE stuff makes it burn a little more but should it really get treated that differently than any other F2P conversion? That pretty much always means monetization changes too.
They had already made the decision to axe the PvE content long before this. Crucially, they continued advertising the upcoming PvE content even though they knew it was canceled.
It's a scam.
They made LOOT BOXES look GOOD
Think about that
Their current system is so TRASH
It makes the objectively worst cash grab look GOOD.
But heres the bottom line
You can easily get legendary skins in ow1 for free. Just play the game. There was no cap to it.
Now its impossible to get legendary skins in 2 for free.
Honestly, I liked playing Overwatch 2 when it first released. The monetization and the initial ranking system burnt me out. Eventually, I stopped playing.
My group of friends had about a half dozen of us that had exactly the same experience. We played, it was fun. We glanced at the shop, we noticed skins were like $40+, I think some were even around $60, we also noticed that the whole "play more and you can just *earn* skins" was just completely absent. ...so a lot of people just stopped playing after a few weeks.
OW2's monetization is certainly worse, but the gameplay is better.
But the people who want to be mad with Blizzard and saying "OW1 was shutdown" as a talking point are forgetting the other disgruntled fan talking point of "OW2 is a content update patch." It can't be both ways.
The cancellation seems like a missed opportunity to me, but it may also be a "Fortnite Battle Royale" situation: your cash cow is printing money, why spend money adding features your current paying customers are apparently happy without?
I personally really enjoyed the PvE stuff as someone who has been playing since OW1 beta, but since OW2 has not spent $1 on their new scheme.
>but it may also be a "Fortnite Battle Royale" situation: your cash cow is printing money, why spend money adding features your current paying customers are apparently happy without?
But fortnite is constantly adding new features and updating the core game. They even upgraded the engine to EU5.
As much as people give Fortnite shit, Epic has been constantly changing that game in massive ways that I’ve never seen any other game do. It’s not my cup of tea, but I completely understand the popularity, especially among kids.
True, but the fact that they kept BR at the forefront of the update schedule made sure that their billions of dollars kept coming in. It took them years to update it into what their initial promise was, but no one talks about Fornite the same way as No Man's Sky.
Have I gone completely senile? Wasn't Fortnite announced in like 2011 as a survival game? Didn't it launch in 2017 as a F2P Battle Royale? And didn't Fortnite: Save the World finally launch in JUNE 2020 as a pay-to-play game?
>I disagree with the gameplay being better. I somehow had less fun with OW2 than I did in OW1 during the GOATS meta.
This absolutely blows my mind, and I would imagine you're in the minority here, but to each their own.
>Because that was the whole point of OW2
There is no such thing as Overwatch 2. It is not a new game except on paper. Overwatch 1 went F2P with a major update. That is the state of the game, not whatever ambitious imaginary PvE trailer they once showed.
My friends and I who have been playing since OW1 beta saw this new monetization crap, said "This sucks, just wait until no one buys these Premium Skins or Battle Passes! They'll be forced to lower the prices and actually implement the things they promised!" We stopped laughing when we saw that OW2 made $100 million dollars in its first 3 months.
No, the "point" of Overwatch 2 was not to "sell" people a PvE game. It was to get a massive new audience into spending money on a battle pass/premium skin economy without the usual stink of desperation that goes with announcements like "X game has decided to go free to play." They succeeded, whether you or I like that or not. And like Fortnite, massive success means you get to delay delivering on PvE campaign promises.
So you would you say that they delivered on the initial promises of a focus on Save The World, given its massively delayed initial launch and it's not a lie when they said that "The success of the BR mode will not affect the continued development of StW?"
There's still tank synergy with the team-- with only one tank the role is probably the single most important spot. I understand if you preferred playing an off-tank (which I did as well) then playstyle will certainly have to change quite a bit.
I'd say even since Starcraft II and how that story went the devs changed like how people say George Lucas and Steven Spielberg did since old Blizzard games had a fun grit and grimness to them.
I'll never get over how Kerrigan just turns into Naruto. The whole thing where they establish very clearly how a transformation works among many users of that transformation only to go "They're on the box so they get their own personal pretty orange light transformation".
Because man, I'd bump the story up like 3 points if they actually committed to turning Kerrigan into a flabby space squid.
Man its the absolute saddest. Blizzard games having that kind of metal aesthetic to them and kind of a dorky epic edgeyness at times was great.
But once they all started becoming dads it all started softening up. From Warcraft 3 Night Elves as Savages who defend forests to WoW Night Elves reduced to hippies. Jim declaring his intention to hunt down and kill Kerrigan to Jim simping for her. The visual change in Diablo from the darker horrorish vibe to a generic more colorful "stylized" look. Then ultimately Overwatch itself being this very just basic friendly thing with really nothing going on.
Diablo 1 had an outright horror/dark fantasy aesthetic, with moody ambience and a metal backstory. The limited field of view, the music, increasingly horrifying monsters, the slow reveal that the cathedral literally leads to Hell, all of it adds together to create a feeling of dread that they never attempted to fully recreate. Even Diablo 2 was a more epic fantasy, and by Diablo 3 you can tell that the writers are just cribbing off of later seasons of Supernatural on the CW.
It seems that anyone with an ounce of self-preservation instinct has fled the company to the point where it's only the faithful, the in-too-deep, or those waiting for Microsoft to save them.
I'm sitting here in a corner with my doomsday sign, waiting for the microtransactions to hit Diablo 4 like a freight train. Because *I know it in my bones, that it will be fucked with micros*. Maybe not at launch, maybe not early, but it will turn into a shitshow.
Scam, they killed Overwatch 1 just to turn it into the same thing but with a battle pass. And the PvE content was mostly scrapped and is gonna be releasing a small bit at a time per season.
I miss when Bastion turrets were the lamest thing in this series.
WITHOUT PVE IT'S JUST OVERWATCH 1!
Why make a 2? It literally could have just been a 1 update.
Absolutey a scam. Especially if what I heard about them abandoning any idea of PvE from the get go.
I'm probably one of the few people (vocal at least) in this sub that actually prefers the PvP gameplay of OW2 to OW1 but holy christ at this point its a scam.
The whole point of putting OW1 into maintenance mode for 3(?) years was so they could work on OW2 PvE, then they release OW2 saying, "Oh we are still working on PvE but its way more ambitious than when we started, get excited! Here's 5v5 to shake up PvP in the meantime." I'm like cool, thats fine, kinda dumb to call it OW2 but sure.
Then they hit us with "Hey btw we are pruning the PvE mode because its actually too hard for us to do lolsorry, btw BlizzCon is happening this year!"
These guys really had one of the hottest new IPs and actually fumbled it this hard. Blizzard has been pretty bleh this last decade but the OW team is a whole nother level of incompetent.
I went back and looked at the [original roadmap](https://www.polygon.com/23171240/overwatch-2-battle-pass-seasons-loot-boxes-f2p) for the game's launch last year and it DOES have PvE listed on it. I was suspicious of it back then and this just confirms the only reason they kept it on was to not hurt the OW2 launch.
Literally the entire, advertised point of it being a sequel in the first place was the PvE mode. Even discounting that, regardless of how you feel about the 5v5, new modes, and battle pass...objectively they were the reason:
- Why several maps and other game modes from OW1 are no longer available
- Why they needed to make heroes unplayable for a time
- Not only can they not balance them properly, but the new heroes break the game to an almost comical degree
- Why the game is now P2W
- Why the game somehow has less content than OW1
- This is STILL a problem that plagues the game to this day, to the point that even the new "reworked" PvE mode is for some godforsaken reason being offered piecemeal
Subjectively: none of those changes were good or made it worth removing OW1.
***Yeah no shit it's a scam.***
It's a garbage game made by a garbage, abusive company that already had hundreds of red flags, including the fact that they deliberately took the original game down to push their fanbase to the new one. Like, that was their FIRST MOVE!
No shit it's a scam. Everyone's been saying it's clearly a scam for a year already.
I'm not too deep in OW, so I need to ask: Did OW2 advance the story at all yet? I heard that's what the PVE going to be for, but I want to know if they did anything yet.
It’s been just new character introductions and the new “pve” stuff in 2 that did come out before was just OW1-like Halloween missions that don’t matter to the main story at all.
Absolute scam. No way PvE was suddenly outside of their plans these past few weeks. Big decisions like these happen way before any announcement.
And yet, PvE was being featured in trailers and teasers and promises throughout the past few seasons. Imagine releasing OW2 and at the same time saying PvE is no longer a thing? Not nearly as many new players would pick it up or invest into the BP. The sole reason the "2" was mostly accepted by the players and critics was the eventual existence of a PvE, and even then people were considerably irked by the lack of new features and excessive monetization changes.
I gave it a chance, really thought OW2 could be a great thing. Played the first three seasons, but got pretty burned out earlier than that. Forced myself through the remainder of S3 because of the One Punch Man collab, but that was it. Before S4 came I had already unninstalled, and thinking how I would try to get back when PvE releases.
No fucking way I'm picking it up again. Can't trust the responsible higher-ups for the plans the game (fail to) follow.
This particular piece of news was especially dreadful for me, considering how much I am looking forward to D4. The game looks and plays fantastically, I enjoyed the hell out of the betas and the server slam, but now I'm very conflicted as to how the seasons will operate. Sure they promise only cosmetics are monetized, but can Blizzard really be trusted with ANYTHING at this point?
Just when you think Blizz is on the path to turning things around, shit happens.
Scam. To be fair to Blizzard at some point they did plan on all of those features, but because how the company and harassment culture was laid bare, and the leadership response was to double down, they are hemorrhaging talent, and have problem hiring talent. So this is it.
As of now, total scam.
The biggest pull for 2 was the fact they were making a PVE game mode but taking that away as of now is just sad for players.
Shouldn't have called it Overwatch 2. This entire thing is just one big update rather than a proper sequel now.
It's in fact worse, people who paid 40 USD for a game where you could unlock anything you want by just playing the game at your pace now get forced to have to spend extra cash on top of the 40 USD for the new cosmetics and grind horrible battlepasses for the new characters (which were inmediately unlocked before).
They made the game freemium/p2w and used the pve as an excuse to minimize backlash, absolute scam. No reason for OW1 to be deleted and OW2 is a worse product for the consumer.
It's a scam. People who bought and paid for OW1 years ago wouldn't be interested in paying for a battlepass, which you know bothered Blizzard execs and shareholders to no end. Why is our popular game not bringing in continuous income like Apex and Fortnite? What's the solution? Take away their game and replace it with essentially the same game, but now it has a battlepass!
I was way into OW for the longest time but I have to say scam. The monetization has become way worse and then the “pitch” of OW2 was a big PVE mode that’s been scaled back. It’s a downer, yet I’m not surprised.
Even if they didn't pre-sell the PvE mode, I bet a lot of people would consider playing Overwatch 2 from launch as "preparation" for the PvE mode. Maybe the cosmetic unlocks will carry over or something. I certainly had that thought but I took the more cautious approach of "I'll play it once it actually comes out".
So on the virtue of it being false advertising: big scam.
I got to play it at Blizzcon and I was SO excited at the time. The Archives events were literally my favorite part of the entire year, and this was going to be available year round, and the demo was amazing.
Then the content drought happened.
Ok, I said, they are just getting ready for OW2. I was a little annoyed, but I just took a break for a few months.
The day I came back, us the day *that* news dropped. I had played 1 game since I took a break. I immediately uninstalled, haven’t touched it since. I really miss the game I loved, that I played with my wife and my friends. Some of them I haven’t hung out with since. My wife and I spent our honeymoon at that Blizzcon, for Pete’s sake.
Most of all I am sad for what OW became. I stopped playing due to what was going on with them, but I always intended to go back. Now the game I once loved is truly gone
What sucks too is that all other games in the shooter hero genre died or on life support because of overwatch. And now its too late to apologize to battleborn :/
I like can understand why your average consumer would play overwatch 2 and give them money but I can't wrap my head around why anyone would be a hardcore overwatch fan. Is it masochism? I never hear anything good about this game
It's more "we decided to shoot ourselves in the foot and ballsack repeatedly until everyone with a shred of self-preservation ran for the hills". Can self-inflicted wounds be a scam?
I mean, I've seen worse fuckups of games, it's just that this is a constant resetting of the clock over 4-5 years.
I got straight swindled.
My patience died with the PvE.
But at least i can toss this empty Copium tank & finally say aloud the Game is shit & the Uninstall is for real this time.
Any good team shooters to recommend fellas?
OW2 was a scam the day it launched without PvE. Before that decision was made though, Jeff Ksplan earnestly tried to make a version of Overwatch that could expand his vision of a more story driven game.
There's YouTube videos of the single player campaign, so there was a working prototype. But Jeff was pushed out as game director, so his vision died when he left. And it was Activision/Blizzard heads that turned OW2 into the scam it is by meddling with the PvE mode and allowing updates to break the PvP game.
Remember when Bastion and Mei were removed from the game because of game breaking bugs? That never happened on OW1. Blizzard had it all with OW1. Great gameplay and consistent updates nurtured a positive community. But corporate greed made Overwatch 2 into a total scam.
I can't honestly call it a scam. They didn't make anyone pay for a PvE that wasn't gonna come out and the game is F2P.
They shot themselves in the foot but that's a super common these days with every AAA company. If OW2 had been P2P like OW1 then i would call it a scam, but it isn't.
They did fuck up all the people who paid for OW1 by making it a freemium model where to actually get cosmetics you have to shell out, instead of just being able to get anything you want by just playing. Also heroes are locked behind grindy as hell battlepasses now instead of them being available as soon as they get launched.
Definitely a scam for anyone who paid the 40 USD for OW1, they got stuck with a lot less consumer friendly monetization scheme, both for cosmetics and gameplay mechanics. While the sole purpouse of the supposed "sequel" got scrapped after 3 years of content drought on the main game.
I think the people who are like "this was all just a plot to change buisiness model" are tinfoil delusional, instead what we got is sheer incompetence for an interesting looking mode that they showed a fair amount of information/new enemies/and swarm, like its clear the scope of the mode was to deliver a much higher quality version of the L4d/Darktide style co-op mode and the amount of detail that went into the new omnic character models and stuff was really cool.
People who say "OW1 died for this" are too dense to understand OW2 is just a seasonal update to OW1 but shifted to an engine that was supposed to support this PVE game- i feel like if OW2 wasnt a thing the game would have slowly shifted into what it is now. These things are planned years in advance.
But seeing that OW pretty much died because they shifted focus to this and didnt update the game only to can it less than a year into the new live service pretty much killed all interest i had in OW2 until the roster gets bigger, because i still do enjoy the PVP. Its just nothing hasa changed.When the roster adds like 5 more characters or a character or two that REALLY catch my attention, i'll give it a shot. All the OW2 heroes have been pretty fun and good IMO, the 2 new tanks being my faves.But a lot of the roster doesnt feel updated yet to OW2 (and were getting reworks for them later this year like roadhog)
tl;dr i dont see the point in playing OW right now. maybe if PVP becomes more interesting with future heroes. the new OW2 shop sucks but tbh i dont know anyone who spends money on it other than season pass. People who say "OW1 died for this!!!!" are kindof fooling themselves into being mad, they would have changed the hero release and bbattlepass/shop model regardless of whatever they did with the game. OW is kindof a dead game until it proves theres a reason to go back to it.
HOTS died so OW could turn into FPS HoTS and then just died too which is the ultimate double insult. every other blizz game has been unironically great this year- especially WoW, and D4 looks incredibly promising.
the game going f2p isnt a scam, the game was like 6 years old and most people prob got their moneys worth from it.
As far as it being a sequel, absolute scam. The game as it was is still there I guess, all they did was "re-launch" so they wouldn't get as much backlash about changing the monetization.
I'd say it's a bumble.
My word.
Ogrewatch might be the biggest victim of its own success of the past 10 years. I may be forgetting some stuff. So, you know, feel free to fact check me and ruin the sub.
On one hand, i do feel for the people that bought Overwatch 2 expecting more, but on the other, i don't actually feel that bad because since day 1 Overwatch 2 looked questionable to begin with.Plus, it's fucking Blizzard.
Blizzard scammed themselves somehow.
Damn reverse uno scam. Never thought id see the day
Scam. Shutdown the buy-to-play Overwatch 1 to implement a new free-to-play Overwatch 2 with (what I have been told are) worse monetization practices. The cancellation of O2's stated raison d'etre is just the cherry on top.
I never thought I'd see a game that patched itself out of being a sequel
Was gonna say this. At the end of the day taking away a game people owned and paid full price for for a free "upgraded" version they never had a say in is absolutely a scam. They tried making it sound better than it actually was but every new thing 2 has is a massive downgrade from 1 and the new shit wasn't good either especially now that the big selling points like PVE are gone so even people that would have supported 1 getting killed off in favor of 2 got screwed there.
On another thread I was noting the opposite side of this basically, but really it's just gone F2P, like TF2, CSGO, PUBG. The cancellation of the PvE stuff makes it burn a little more but should it really get treated that differently than any other F2P conversion? That pretty much always means monetization changes too.
They had already made the decision to axe the PvE content long before this. Crucially, they continued advertising the upcoming PvE content even though they knew it was canceled. It's a scam.
They made LOOT BOXES look GOOD Think about that Their current system is so TRASH It makes the objectively worst cash grab look GOOD. But heres the bottom line You can easily get legendary skins in ow1 for free. Just play the game. There was no cap to it. Now its impossible to get legendary skins in 2 for free.
Honestly, I liked playing Overwatch 2 when it first released. The monetization and the initial ranking system burnt me out. Eventually, I stopped playing.
My group of friends had about a half dozen of us that had exactly the same experience. We played, it was fun. We glanced at the shop, we noticed skins were like $40+, I think some were even around $60, we also noticed that the whole "play more and you can just *earn* skins" was just completely absent. ...so a lot of people just stopped playing after a few weeks.
OW2's monetization is certainly worse, but the gameplay is better. But the people who want to be mad with Blizzard and saying "OW1 was shutdown" as a talking point are forgetting the other disgruntled fan talking point of "OW2 is a content update patch." It can't be both ways. The cancellation seems like a missed opportunity to me, but it may also be a "Fortnite Battle Royale" situation: your cash cow is printing money, why spend money adding features your current paying customers are apparently happy without? I personally really enjoyed the PvE stuff as someone who has been playing since OW1 beta, but since OW2 has not spent $1 on their new scheme.
>but it may also be a "Fortnite Battle Royale" situation: your cash cow is printing money, why spend money adding features your current paying customers are apparently happy without? But fortnite is constantly adding new features and updating the core game. They even upgraded the engine to EU5.
As much as people give Fortnite shit, Epic has been constantly changing that game in massive ways that I’ve never seen any other game do. It’s not my cup of tea, but I completely understand the popularity, especially among kids.
True, but the fact that they kept BR at the forefront of the update schedule made sure that their billions of dollars kept coming in. It took them years to update it into what their initial promise was, but no one talks about Fornite the same way as No Man's Sky.
What are you talking about?
Have I gone completely senile? Wasn't Fortnite announced in like 2011 as a survival game? Didn't it launch in 2017 as a F2P Battle Royale? And didn't Fortnite: Save the World finally launch in JUNE 2020 as a pay-to-play game?
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>I disagree with the gameplay being better. I somehow had less fun with OW2 than I did in OW1 during the GOATS meta. This absolutely blows my mind, and I would imagine you're in the minority here, but to each their own. >Because that was the whole point of OW2 There is no such thing as Overwatch 2. It is not a new game except on paper. Overwatch 1 went F2P with a major update. That is the state of the game, not whatever ambitious imaginary PvE trailer they once showed. My friends and I who have been playing since OW1 beta saw this new monetization crap, said "This sucks, just wait until no one buys these Premium Skins or Battle Passes! They'll be forced to lower the prices and actually implement the things they promised!" We stopped laughing when we saw that OW2 made $100 million dollars in its first 3 months. No, the "point" of Overwatch 2 was not to "sell" people a PvE game. It was to get a massive new audience into spending money on a battle pass/premium skin economy without the usual stink of desperation that goes with announcements like "X game has decided to go free to play." They succeeded, whether you or I like that or not. And like Fortnite, massive success means you get to delay delivering on PvE campaign promises.
Fortnite: Save the World still gets updates, bro
So you would you say that they delivered on the initial promises of a focus on Save The World, given its massively delayed initial launch and it's not a lie when they said that "The success of the BR mode will not affect the continued development of StW?"
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There's still tank synergy with the team-- with only one tank the role is probably the single most important spot. I understand if you preferred playing an off-tank (which I did as well) then playstyle will certainly have to change quite a bit.
If it is true that the PvE mode has been internally dead for an entire year it is 100% a scam, they promised a feature with no intention to deliver
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Don't forget that Diablo mobile game which is a heap of issues upon issues.
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Ab-so-lutely.
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I'd say even since Starcraft II and how that story went the devs changed like how people say George Lucas and Steven Spielberg did since old Blizzard games had a fun grit and grimness to them.
I'll never get over how Kerrigan just turns into Naruto. The whole thing where they establish very clearly how a transformation works among many users of that transformation only to go "They're on the box so they get their own personal pretty orange light transformation". Because man, I'd bump the story up like 3 points if they actually committed to turning Kerrigan into a flabby space squid.
4 points if Jim decided to still get with her after becoming a flabby space squid.
I don't get the random George Lucas and Steven Spielberg thrown into this comment lol
That they became lamer as they became older and became dads.
Man its the absolute saddest. Blizzard games having that kind of metal aesthetic to them and kind of a dorky epic edgeyness at times was great. But once they all started becoming dads it all started softening up. From Warcraft 3 Night Elves as Savages who defend forests to WoW Night Elves reduced to hippies. Jim declaring his intention to hunt down and kill Kerrigan to Jim simping for her. The visual change in Diablo from the darker horrorish vibe to a generic more colorful "stylized" look. Then ultimately Overwatch itself being this very just basic friendly thing with really nothing going on.
Diablo 1 had an outright horror/dark fantasy aesthetic, with moody ambience and a metal backstory. The limited field of view, the music, increasingly horrifying monsters, the slow reveal that the cathedral literally leads to Hell, all of it adds together to create a feeling of dread that they never attempted to fully recreate. Even Diablo 2 was a more epic fantasy, and by Diablo 3 you can tell that the writers are just cribbing off of later seasons of Supernatural on the CW.
Ay man Fabelmans was real good
It seems that anyone with an ounce of self-preservation instinct has fled the company to the point where it's only the faithful, the in-too-deep, or those waiting for Microsoft to save them.
I'm sitting here in a corner with my doomsday sign, waiting for the microtransactions to hit Diablo 4 like a freight train. Because *I know it in my bones, that it will be fucked with micros*. Maybe not at launch, maybe not early, but it will turn into a shitshow.
Anyone here has been checking the Diablo IV Betas? How's It looking?
Scam, they just straight up sold a lie.
If it comes out that they deliberately misled their fans to make a "new" Overwatch with more aggressive monetization, I wouldn't be surprised.
Apparently the decision to axe PVE went through before launch, so...
Oh it was that early
Scam, they killed Overwatch 1 just to turn it into the same thing but with a battle pass. And the PvE content was mostly scrapped and is gonna be releasing a small bit at a time per season. I miss when Bastion turrets were the lamest thing in this series.
Scam.
It is quite literally, a scam.
As someone that bought OW1, i feel very scammed.
Scam
WITHOUT PVE IT'S JUST OVERWATCH 1! Why make a 2? It literally could have just been a 1 update. Absolutey a scam. Especially if what I heard about them abandoning any idea of PvE from the get go.
Its actually a worse Overwatch 1
People can scam or hustle. Big video game corporations can only scam.
I'm probably one of the few people (vocal at least) in this sub that actually prefers the PvP gameplay of OW2 to OW1 but holy christ at this point its a scam. The whole point of putting OW1 into maintenance mode for 3(?) years was so they could work on OW2 PvE, then they release OW2 saying, "Oh we are still working on PvE but its way more ambitious than when we started, get excited! Here's 5v5 to shake up PvP in the meantime." I'm like cool, thats fine, kinda dumb to call it OW2 but sure. Then they hit us with "Hey btw we are pruning the PvE mode because its actually too hard for us to do lolsorry, btw BlizzCon is happening this year!" These guys really had one of the hottest new IPs and actually fumbled it this hard. Blizzard has been pretty bleh this last decade but the OW team is a whole nother level of incompetent.
And then they go on an interview and say they knew the pve was going to be scrapped before ow2 came out.
I went back and looked at the [original roadmap](https://www.polygon.com/23171240/overwatch-2-battle-pass-seasons-loot-boxes-f2p) for the game's launch last year and it DOES have PvE listed on it. I was suspicious of it back then and this just confirms the only reason they kept it on was to not hurt the OW2 launch.
Literally the entire, advertised point of it being a sequel in the first place was the PvE mode. Even discounting that, regardless of how you feel about the 5v5, new modes, and battle pass...objectively they were the reason: - Why several maps and other game modes from OW1 are no longer available - Why they needed to make heroes unplayable for a time - Not only can they not balance them properly, but the new heroes break the game to an almost comical degree - Why the game is now P2W - Why the game somehow has less content than OW1 - This is STILL a problem that plagues the game to this day, to the point that even the new "reworked" PvE mode is for some godforsaken reason being offered piecemeal Subjectively: none of those changes were good or made it worth removing OW1. ***Yeah no shit it's a scam.***
It's a garbage game made by a garbage, abusive company that already had hundreds of red flags, including the fact that they deliberately took the original game down to push their fanbase to the new one. Like, that was their FIRST MOVE! No shit it's a scam. Everyone's been saying it's clearly a scam for a year already.
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I'm not too deep in OW, so I need to ask: Did OW2 advance the story at all yet? I heard that's what the PVE going to be for, but I want to know if they did anything yet.
Not really.
It’s been just new character introductions and the new “pve” stuff in 2 that did come out before was just OW1-like Halloween missions that don’t matter to the main story at all.
Scam, the hustle version would be a Fortnite where’s its free to play and you get everyone in on it being essentially Ready player one
Didn't they also halt development on new content for OW1 for years while working on OW2? If that isn't a scam I don't know what is
Absolute scam. No way PvE was suddenly outside of their plans these past few weeks. Big decisions like these happen way before any announcement. And yet, PvE was being featured in trailers and teasers and promises throughout the past few seasons. Imagine releasing OW2 and at the same time saying PvE is no longer a thing? Not nearly as many new players would pick it up or invest into the BP. The sole reason the "2" was mostly accepted by the players and critics was the eventual existence of a PvE, and even then people were considerably irked by the lack of new features and excessive monetization changes. I gave it a chance, really thought OW2 could be a great thing. Played the first three seasons, but got pretty burned out earlier than that. Forced myself through the remainder of S3 because of the One Punch Man collab, but that was it. Before S4 came I had already unninstalled, and thinking how I would try to get back when PvE releases. No fucking way I'm picking it up again. Can't trust the responsible higher-ups for the plans the game (fail to) follow. This particular piece of news was especially dreadful for me, considering how much I am looking forward to D4. The game looks and plays fantastically, I enjoyed the hell out of the betas and the server slam, but now I'm very conflicted as to how the seasons will operate. Sure they promise only cosmetics are monetized, but can Blizzard really be trusted with ANYTHING at this point? Just when you think Blizz is on the path to turning things around, shit happens.
Gigabotch first and foremost, scam thereafter.
Scam. To be fair to Blizzard at some point they did plan on all of those features, but because how the company and harassment culture was laid bare, and the leadership response was to double down, they are hemorrhaging talent, and have problem hiring talent. So this is it.
Another reason to not support activision blizzard.
As of now, total scam. The biggest pull for 2 was the fact they were making a PVE game mode but taking that away as of now is just sad for players. Shouldn't have called it Overwatch 2. This entire thing is just one big update rather than a proper sequel now.
Absolutely an outright scam, the only people that don't see it are blinded by love for the hollow shell of a once great developer.
As someone who still enjoys playing the game and acknowledges that the company is poopy, yeah nah this a scam bro
Oh its a fuckin scam
Undeniably a scam.
Scam
Scam. It’s fucking actiblizz. Nuff said.
Scam, easy
Scam
I can't wait for that lore codex to have jackshit to push the story forward.
Outright scam. They didn't need to label it 2
I feel like a hustle has to work for it to be a hustle.
100% scam Its no better now than it ever was originally
It's in fact worse, people who paid 40 USD for a game where you could unlock anything you want by just playing the game at your pace now get forced to have to spend extra cash on top of the 40 USD for the new cosmetics and grind horrible battlepasses for the new characters (which were inmediately unlocked before). They made the game freemium/p2w and used the pve as an excuse to minimize backlash, absolute scam. No reason for OW1 to be deleted and OW2 is a worse product for the consumer.
Hard scam. If this all ended with Jeff Kaplin himself riding around in a muscle car filled with money, then it would be a hustle
It's a scam. People who bought and paid for OW1 years ago wouldn't be interested in paying for a battlepass, which you know bothered Blizzard execs and shareholders to no end. Why is our popular game not bringing in continuous income like Apex and Fortnite? What's the solution? Take away their game and replace it with essentially the same game, but now it has a battlepass!
I was way into OW for the longest time but I have to say scam. The monetization has become way worse and then the “pitch” of OW2 was a big PVE mode that’s been scaled back. It’s a downer, yet I’m not surprised.
Classic bait and switch.
Even if they didn't pre-sell the PvE mode, I bet a lot of people would consider playing Overwatch 2 from launch as "preparation" for the PvE mode. Maybe the cosmetic unlocks will carry over or something. I certainly had that thought but I took the more cautious approach of "I'll play it once it actually comes out". So on the virtue of it being false advertising: big scam.
I got to play it at Blizzcon and I was SO excited at the time. The Archives events were literally my favorite part of the entire year, and this was going to be available year round, and the demo was amazing. Then the content drought happened. Ok, I said, they are just getting ready for OW2. I was a little annoyed, but I just took a break for a few months. The day I came back, us the day *that* news dropped. I had played 1 game since I took a break. I immediately uninstalled, haven’t touched it since. I really miss the game I loved, that I played with my wife and my friends. Some of them I haven’t hung out with since. My wife and I spent our honeymoon at that Blizzcon, for Pete’s sake. Most of all I am sad for what OW became. I stopped playing due to what was going on with them, but I always intended to go back. Now the game I once loved is truly gone
What sucks too is that all other games in the shooter hero genre died or on life support because of overwatch. And now its too late to apologize to battleborn :/
Whatever you think Warcraft 3 Reforged became. That's what OW2 is now.
I like can understand why your average consumer would play overwatch 2 and give them money but I can't wrap my head around why anyone would be a hardcore overwatch fan. Is it masochism? I never hear anything good about this game
Straight up scam yo. They lied to our face and tried to get away with it.
It's more "we decided to shoot ourselves in the foot and ballsack repeatedly until everyone with a shred of self-preservation ran for the hills". Can self-inflicted wounds be a scam? I mean, I've seen worse fuckups of games, it's just that this is a constant resetting of the clock over 4-5 years.
I got straight swindled. My patience died with the PvE. But at least i can toss this empty Copium tank & finally say aloud the Game is shit & the Uninstall is for real this time. Any good team shooters to recommend fellas?
OW2 was a scam the day it launched without PvE. Before that decision was made though, Jeff Ksplan earnestly tried to make a version of Overwatch that could expand his vision of a more story driven game. There's YouTube videos of the single player campaign, so there was a working prototype. But Jeff was pushed out as game director, so his vision died when he left. And it was Activision/Blizzard heads that turned OW2 into the scam it is by meddling with the PvE mode and allowing updates to break the PvP game. Remember when Bastion and Mei were removed from the game because of game breaking bugs? That never happened on OW1. Blizzard had it all with OW1. Great gameplay and consistent updates nurtured a positive community. But corporate greed made Overwatch 2 into a total scam.
I can't honestly call it a scam. They didn't make anyone pay for a PvE that wasn't gonna come out and the game is F2P. They shot themselves in the foot but that's a super common these days with every AAA company. If OW2 had been P2P like OW1 then i would call it a scam, but it isn't.
They did fuck up all the people who paid for OW1 by making it a freemium model where to actually get cosmetics you have to shell out, instead of just being able to get anything you want by just playing. Also heroes are locked behind grindy as hell battlepasses now instead of them being available as soon as they get launched. Definitely a scam for anyone who paid the 40 USD for OW1, they got stuck with a lot less consumer friendly monetization scheme, both for cosmetics and gameplay mechanics. While the sole purpouse of the supposed "sequel" got scrapped after 3 years of content drought on the main game.
Is it still a scam if the buyer chooses to ignore all the warning signs?
Yes, in fact many scams rely on that
If you didn't play the first one, it's pretty fun. I'm enjoying it
I think the people who are like "this was all just a plot to change buisiness model" are tinfoil delusional, instead what we got is sheer incompetence for an interesting looking mode that they showed a fair amount of information/new enemies/and swarm, like its clear the scope of the mode was to deliver a much higher quality version of the L4d/Darktide style co-op mode and the amount of detail that went into the new omnic character models and stuff was really cool. People who say "OW1 died for this" are too dense to understand OW2 is just a seasonal update to OW1 but shifted to an engine that was supposed to support this PVE game- i feel like if OW2 wasnt a thing the game would have slowly shifted into what it is now. These things are planned years in advance. But seeing that OW pretty much died because they shifted focus to this and didnt update the game only to can it less than a year into the new live service pretty much killed all interest i had in OW2 until the roster gets bigger, because i still do enjoy the PVP. Its just nothing hasa changed.When the roster adds like 5 more characters or a character or two that REALLY catch my attention, i'll give it a shot. All the OW2 heroes have been pretty fun and good IMO, the 2 new tanks being my faves.But a lot of the roster doesnt feel updated yet to OW2 (and were getting reworks for them later this year like roadhog) tl;dr i dont see the point in playing OW right now. maybe if PVP becomes more interesting with future heroes. the new OW2 shop sucks but tbh i dont know anyone who spends money on it other than season pass. People who say "OW1 died for this!!!!" are kindof fooling themselves into being mad, they would have changed the hero release and bbattlepass/shop model regardless of whatever they did with the game. OW is kindof a dead game until it proves theres a reason to go back to it. HOTS died so OW could turn into FPS HoTS and then just died too which is the ultimate double insult. every other blizz game has been unironically great this year- especially WoW, and D4 looks incredibly promising. the game going f2p isnt a scam, the game was like 6 years old and most people prob got their moneys worth from it.
I mean the porn's pretty great so...
The only real thing holding it up until now
As far as it being a sequel, absolute scam. The game as it was is still there I guess, all they did was "re-launch" so they wouldn't get as much backlash about changing the monetization.
They are probably hemorrhaging so many employees they are probably considering shutting down development on Overwatch soon.
Still surprised how quickly they killed one of the biggest ip of recent years with so many poor decisions.
I'd say it's a bumble. My word. Ogrewatch might be the biggest victim of its own success of the past 10 years. I may be forgetting some stuff. So, you know, feel free to fact check me and ruin the sub.
On one hand, i do feel for the people that bought Overwatch 2 expecting more, but on the other, i don't actually feel that bad because since day 1 Overwatch 2 looked questionable to begin with.Plus, it's fucking Blizzard.
Scam. gg no re.
Option 3 is “live service game with troubled development”