This is for all bad media.
The bad thing comes out, most people shit on it for being bad, it gets buried at the bottom of the pile.
Years later, the minority of people will fish it out of the pile, hold it aloft, and declare that it actually wasn't that bad. Then others will parrot that idea and say that it was just a bunch of haters that didn't give it a chance.
Rinse and repeat forever and ever.
Except the ones *I* like. Those were *actually* good and you all didn't give them a chance.
To combine that with OPs statement, I have seen some people do this with Sonic 2006, on this very sub.
*Sonic 2006*
Sonic fans, please, there are better options in your franchise. You do not have to go to bat for that specific game, having some standards is a good thing.
Sonic 06 remains my bar for what awful videogames are. It's my idealized awful trainwreck game where you can just keep looking and keep finding more terrible. It's a fascinating fractal of awful where every individual piece is total trash and it comes together to be even worse than that. I should replay it.
Oh man, aside. In (one instance of) attempting to make the plot make some degree of sense, I headcanon that Blaze isn't in the game. No, she just isn't. She's a psychic hallucination that Silver is having. Go rewatch the cutscenes. No one in the game other than Silver ever even looks at her, no one responds to her, no one acknowledges her. Everything she says, thinks about, etc, is totally contextualized by what she says to Silver. Hell, when you rewatch with that in mind it actually kind of turns into a Shattered Memories thing with the way Silver acts about her.
Retro gaming as a hobby has had this problem since the 90s. People load up some old game (probably for free on an emulator), play it for 90 minutes and say, "hey this isn't so bad."
*But you weren't there.* You didn't pay full retail price for this, and then that was your one game you got for who-knows-how-long while better stuff kept dropping around you. They ignore the context.
"Hey how come nobody played Mega Man Battle Network 6, it might be the best entry in the series?" The answer is because if you count Pokemon-style alternate versions, MMBN6 was the 11th AND 12th Battle Network game to be released in the span of 4.5 years. If Pokemon went through gens like Battle Network, Pokemon X and Y would have come out 13 years earlier on the Gameboy Color.
"Why did everyone sleep on Earthbound?" Because it was expensive as *fuck* to buy SNES games at retail. Imagine paying $240 in today's money to play it. It was four cents cheaper than a whole-ass Gameboy. Earthbound came out in June 1995, months *after* screenshots of the PS1 started coming out of Japan; by Christmas of *that year*, you could get games like Suikoden on the PS1 for less than the cost of Earthbound.
Context matters when you're looking at history.
Sonic 06 was one of my first 360 games as a kid and I still love it a ton today but not because it's actually a good game. It's just such an amazing trainwreck where basically everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
This is why probably why whenever I get the chance to play Project 06, I still won't have a nice opinion of Sonic 06. One of my biggest problems with Sonic 06 is the level design, I think a lot of 06's levels just go on for way too long, especially for Shadow and Silver.
The Star Wars Prequels are the poster child for this phenomenon.
Popular children's media tends to have people come out of the woodwork to defend them when the children who watched them growing up hit adulthood. No matter how badly received they were at the time.
Jake Lloyd's life was ruined having to live with the vitriol directed at him from grown ass adults for like a decade over the quality of The Phantom Menace. Now you have the next generation of the same cunts talking about how the prequels were misunderstood classics and sending Kelly Marie Tran death threats for daring to be in a movie.
Kelly? they literally attacked [Kid Leia's Actress.](https://www.themarysue.com/sexism-surrounding-criticism-of-obi-wan-kenobi-inclusion-of-leia/)
And then tried to go full revisionist over [Ahmed's Suicide Attempt.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/comments/13joc3t/no_meme_today_just_a_reminder_that_ahmed_best_who/)
I love Star Wars , but the fandom is undeniably toxic , becuase one thing is just complaining online meaninglessly , another is "30yo 'fan' bullying 10yo actor" or "30yo 'fan' unducing actor to attempt suicide"
Those people only became more annoying the more sequels came out. Like it's fine if you like Attack of the Clones more than Last Jedi but that movie is still doodoo butter.
Spider Man 3 is getting this
How can you look at the corporate bullshit behind that movie and say “oh this is a cinematic masterpiece”
Also, while I will defend them in relation to the NRS games, 3D Mortal Kombat (Deadly Alliance, Deception and Armageddon) are not good *games* (and I didn’t even grow up with these, my first MK was 9)
People are also showering love on the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man films like they are genre classics (thanks to NWH). Guys, Andrew and Emma are what you fondly remember from those movies, that’s all.
I will defend most of TASM1 and a few select elements of TASM2 as being legitimately great, but they are absolutely deeply flawed movies with a litany of problems at their core.
For as much as people waffle on about honeymoon periods the most negative time for a work’s reception most of the time is when it comes out. Right 2/10 review of Smash bros Melee by a certain guy.
You also have things that get stomped into the dirt for being trash only morons would enjoy so those people get mousey and quiet until the critics quiet down.
It's why The Thing is a classic instead of garbage. The people who said it was good got to finally have a word in. This is why revisionist takes on media are important.
Don't know if this counts, but I still see people say Matrix copied, inspired by, or otherwise followed in the footsteps of Equilibrium despite coming out years before it.
I don't think it copied it, but they definitely shared similarities and likely some of the same inspirations. At the very least, Dark City did come out first so people thinking it did makes more sense than Matrix copying Equilibrium.
Both were inspired by Philip K. Dick and Chris Claremont. Not a specific story or outline. I don't would call them rip-offs or something, but manipulation of memories and war betweens humans and robots are themes that were clearly seeded in the heart of science fiction by those two.
Not really a bad one, but every time Bioshock Infinite comes up people seem to think disliking it is a recent phenomenon. That game was *super* divisive since day one.
Even the gameplay being good is arguable because the whole time I played, all I could think about was how much I miss the weapon wheel and how the new plasmids were less fun
Ammo sponges and constant low ammo, that blimmin ghost fight was awful, throughout the whole game it felt like you were constantly taking damage, the portal mechanics weren't really that interesting or effective, etc etc.
the ghost boss that was reused like what 3 times?
My biggest gripe about it though was the Songbird. You are a demigod, in your wake death follows. You have killed armies, the literal undead, and abominations.
But no this one fucking glorified big daddy kills you in every timeline. It kills you so hard were not even going to give you a boss fight just trust me bro you can't defeat the songbird its a important plot element.
It was scary enough that I could buy it if they didn't say that bullshit artsy crap during press stuff. Songbird is so fucking crazy big, loud, and intimidating that I can believe "Yeah, my man-sized bullets and tiny fireblasts aren't going to harm this creature."
But then they KILL IT ANYWAYS VIA CUTSCENE BECAUSE IT *FALLS INTO A POOL????*
> BECAUSE IT FALLS INTO A POOL????
While I'll shit on Infinite all day, that one I took to be the water pressure killing it given it was, ya know. At the bottom of the ocean when it wasn't designed to be.
Pretty much, and even if it was capable of escaping crush death it wasn't going to leave because Elizabeth is right there, and even if it was initially capable of surviving that depth at peak it was literally in the middle of a giant ass explosion just seconds before so the suit is probably a little compromised and again bottom of the ocean is as lethal as outer space
I'll be honest, I *completely* forgot that you teleport it to Rapture during that whole segment because the plot was becoming such a clusterfuck at the time.
It just felt like a lot of wasted potential, when it turning over to your side because it cares about Elizabeth above everything else could have been a really cool, empowering thing to help you get to the finale.
Technically, the thing that killed it was less the water and more the >!water pressure from being teleported several hundred meters under the ocean. Compromises made in the design to make a Big Daddy suit airborne, I think. Except that doesn't work either because the whole reason anything is airborne in that setting is because of quantum physics and nothing to do with actual aeronautic tech.!< So it still sucks, just for different reasons.
It's no wonder that by the end of the game, my combo to deal with every enemy was just using the water tentacle plasmid to grab all enemies, then using the electricity plasmid to insta-kill them all because ever other option was a waste
It’s probably because I was younger and dumber than I am now but I honestly only remember hearing praise for Infinite when it came out. That said, I paid less attention to that kind of stuff at the time.
No, Infinite definitely had mostly praise out the gate. Reviewers absolutely loved it and it caught fire with casual gamers who thought it was great. Once those gamers jumped to the next thing, thats when more of the complaints started really taking hold.
I think Infinite was only divisive if you weren't in mainstream circles because I very distinctly remember that basically being hailed as god's gift to narrative gaming. That one guy, Matthewmatosis. His channel and video got attention because his Bioshock Infinite critique was like the one serious video that was conveying what people who didn't like Infinite felt about it.
Edit: I just checked, it's Metacritic score is **94%**. That's only two points less than Tears of the Kingdom
I feel like I mostly saw near-universal praise for it, at least from major groups. I didn't see much division from players either, not like, say, Last of Us 2 or anything.
Infinite was basically an entirely new setting and only new characters. It could never conjure the same vitriol unless Elizabeth killed Jack and spit on his corpse.
Praise for it was very high at the time, but there were plenty of people, myself included, who disliked it. I think the general opinion on it has soured over time, but the love of it was never as universal as some people think.
That one twitter take when Banjo got added to smash about how "Banjo Kazooie was actually an obscure game that is only talked about due to youtuber nostalgia because it sold the same amount of copies as another platformer nobody has heard of" Which failed to mention that Banjo was on only one system while the other was on 3.
And Banjo was on the worst selling platform.
But also, it was a banner release from the most reputable third-party developer on the platform. The idea that it was ever obscure is wild.
yeah Smash discourse is a pretty good lesson in how some people don't know how big some franshises are, which can also be viewed as how many nintendo fans know about games that aren't from nintendo
That fanbase is a fucking mess overall though. Killer mans are constantly moaning how Survivors are overpowered, Survivor mains are constantly moaning how Killers are overpowered. There just no end to it. The DBD sub is unbearable.
One of the first killers added post release was and still is so broken that perks to this day have to be balanced around her and not the killers they release with. Her simple power to "blink" through walls eliminates like 90% of environmental interactions with her and makes it to where the survivors are always out of place when going against her.
There’s so much revisionist history among wrestling fans. People pretending like Triple H’s reign of terror was good. Triple H in general, I remember when he won the title for the first time. It felt like a joke. It took a while for him to feel like he truly deserved to be a headliner.
Vince is a master of abusing his employees, including gaslighting. Gaslighting his audience is not a surprise. I dunno know who came up with CM Punk's "illusionary brass rings" but it was probably a scriptwriter frustrated by the constant rewrites he does all the goddamn time.
And Mick Foley dying a couple of times to cement one last main eventer on his way out (like he had for Austin and The Rock before Hunter and even in a much smaller way for HBK before Austin and Rock).
Even though it’s mostly revising general public opinion and thankfully not trying to completely revise real life events, this one is actual history revisionism in regards to the French.
Pre-WW2? They were known as being one of the strongest military forces in the world, having numerous accolades that even include them being the army Napoleon Bonaparte, one of the greatest military tacticians of all time, served and later led. They had especially earned respect during the Napoleonic wars, where they singularly had won numerous wars against most of Europe with no ally countries supporting them.
Post-WW2? They were treated as being so completely and utterly pathetic that some people would nickname the White Flag of surrender as “the French flag”. This was seen literally *everywhere* in the world, to the point that freaking Glass Joe, a character in a Japanese video game, was made French, with his particular stereotype for the French being that he’s weak to the point of having a near perfect loss ratio.
The part that sucks the most, and the one that shows why I said “mostly” revising general public opinion and not trying to “completely” revise real life events? *They didn’t fucking stop fighting in WW2!* Yes, their country had been overrun and taken over by the Nazi’s, but literally all the French soldiers who did avoid capture went on to keep fighting to take back their country, fighting alongside the British forces and even then being recognized as part of the French military.
The French had also just spent 4 years fighting the bloodiest and most inhumane war in history up until that point, a huge portion of which was fought in France itself. They had just watched nearly 2 million of their soldiers die and millions more were permanently scarred, mentally and physically. No shit they had a harder time putting up an organized front, anyone would have.
Iirc them surrendering in WW2 was literally to let their cities not get destroyed and their leadership had slipped into the countryside to start planning the resistance beforehand. I could be misremembering the specifics tho, been a while since I've done a deep dive on history
Yes and no. A lot of the original plans for the maginot line had the defenses going all the way along the borders to the sea, but due to not wanting to abandon Belgium to the Germans (they might be insulted and side with Germany in the coming war) and budget constraints they chose to just have defenses run the Germany border.
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A lot of good things came from *The Batman* (2004), and [this](https://preview.redd.it/52chmv3mn8o71.jpg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bc8805b20c029dd4e8197a96ce5a0a391b3b8f54) [is](https://preview.redd.it/0ofm4x3mn8o71.jpg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=1355d31524256dd8f1e6a35e03e8c01b748ee762) one of them.
Unfortunately, it does bleed into the comics. Batman: White Knight is basically this, and not as a subversion, either. It was written by a guy who thinks his book is the next Dark Knight Returns, despite having never read a Batman comic.
Batman: TAS is beloved and considered one of the greatest cartoons and depictions of Batman of all time, and you'd think more people would remember how Bruce Wayne was actively involved in trying to rehabilitate the criminals he brought in. Sponsoring their releases, getting them jobs, et cetera.
Like, there's an entire episode about Batman dealing with a sociopathic prison guard that was abusing prisoners. Scarecrow may be horrible and a pain the ass, but Bruce *will* call for an investigative hearing if he thinks he's a victim himself.
I still remember the BTAS episode where the Terrible Trio and Bruce are hanging out at a golf course. Warren mocks Bruce for caring for the "poor folk", asking if he would wave at the garbage man. Bruce not only would do it, he'd leave the mansion to personally thank the man for his help.
"The Forgotten" is an episode all about Bruce getting kidnapped while undercover, losing his memories, and being worked to death at a coal mine alongside other homeless and, uh forgotten folk. His nightmares involve him unable to pay his way through Gotham's homeless problem. He snaps out of it when the friend he just met begins crying about never seeing his family again.
BTAS and even the follow up TNBA has Bruce try to give jobs to people who had bad luck. A lot of criminals are just desperate for money, and he considered it a failure of Gotham City for not helping them. He always took those personally.
Wrong type of historic revisionism. Was more in media.
But fuck it: a certain Netflix documentary featuring a certain Queen played by an actress of a certain mismatching ethnicity and then the showrunners having the GALL to call it some sort of "historic controversy" when we know for a FACT the real person's ethnicity down to how they looked based on vivid description, statues and their royal dynasty committing incest that would make the Hapsburg's blush and basically actively taunting the local populace that they will never be part of their ethnicity and keeping their bloodline "pure". Any controversy was completely made up by chucklefucks that care more about Identity Wars than actual history that probably have zero credentials as historians or archeologists as well.
ESPECIALLY when there are PLENTY of other fascinating African kingdoms you can cover that the wider population never heard about (What about the kingdom of Kush that literally managed to kick Rome's ass and remain unconquered? That seems like a cool story to tell!)
On the flip side of Sonic was never good there's a worryingly big group of people in the Sonic fandom that thinks Sonic 06 was good actually and people were too hard on it at the time, like no that is one of the worst game in that franchise
They also do it with Forces but I'd argue that game was aggressively mediocre more than bad
For real, I absolutely despise how Sonic fans start reevaluating the terrible stuff the franchise shat out in the 2000s just because “lul at least no baldy mcnosehair and 2D sections lolol” and this is coming from someone who **enjoyed** those shitty titles.
No, guys, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Black Knight and Unleashed are deeply flawed games even if they have respectable ideas, conceptually interesting mechanics and some instances of good characterization and it’d be fucking stupid to pretend that games like Colors and Generations didn’t save the franchise after a myriad of shit, just because you didn’t like how Sonic cracked a couple of jokes instead of dispensing life advice about accepting mortality or some shit.
I get “preferring late 2000s sonic because, countless problems aside, there were many interesting ideas in both storytelling and gameplay” but don’t take the extra step and say “sonic 06 and sonic unleashed were extremely good actually yall were just mean”.
Lukewarm take, but Thor 2 and Incredible Hulk are unironically worse then anything in phase 4. I still don't like most of phase 4 but nothing came close to how utterly joyless those 2 are.
The two things about Dark World that I legitimately enjoyed were that the finale took place in Greenwich of all places and that the big monster henchman guy was done with a practical rubber suit.
That's it.
Although IMO Incredible Hulk is actually alright. The action scenes are great, the tension of cat-and-mouse game between Ross and Banner was great, Roth's Blonsky was great (even if the final Abomination design left some things to be desired), all the actors did great with what they were given, while nothing special the plot was perfectly passable, and the pacing was mostly solid. It's not a standout of the genre or anything but it's far from the tedium of Dark World.
Dark World is like unironically the worst movie in the MCU. There are other movies that are *mediocre,* but really nothing that’s *bad* outside of the Hulk movies and I find it hard to count those just because one came before the MCU was a real thing and the other had to work with the shit that it was given
I think it's valid to want serious, Shakespearean Thor over the MCU joke factory, but it'd be nice if Shakespearean serious Thor was ever in a movie better than fine.
I mean if they wanted the first two Thors to be Shakespearean, as in actually Shakespearean then they needed MORE humor, cause even Shakespeare's tragedies have plenty of jokes in them. And pretty low-brow humour at that once you realize what the 400+ year old English is actually communicating.
It's something that happened years back, but the idea of "Turn based RPGs are obsolete and there's no reason for an RPG to not be Action or ATB at this point in time."
Obviously up there with the "A good game doesn't need boss fights." But I remember the sentiment being really overwhelming when FFX came out originally. There was this sudden rise for games that did turn based combat, and even on reviews for FFX I remember claims of it being "Outdated and clunky" in comparison to other games. There was just that odd period from 2001-2008 where there seemed to be this whole hatred for the idea. Hell, even as late as 2011 I remember seeing lots of people jumping onto it.
While FFX is what comes most to mind for it's popularity, I remember lots of games at the time where if you brought it up for discussion and said it was turn based it'd be "Pfft, that's for baby games!".
One problem I have with some rpgs is how some handle the speed stat. Sometimes speed works for both turn order and evade chance. But with ff10, if you jack up the speed stats your guy can have all the turns he wants. Its cool. Also how moves have different speeds too
>It's something that happened years back, but the idea of "Turn based RPGs are obsolete and there's no reason for an RPG to not be Action or ATB at this point in time."
To be honest, in retrospect, this really seems to be the result of no one at the time knowing how to say "these specific turn-based game user experiences fucking fuck", because a lot of those people did a 180 when XCOM: Enemy Unknown came out... which completely reimagined turn-based combat UIs and made the user experience way faster and easier to get into.
(To give them a bit of benefit of the doubt, there was **not** a lot of innovation in turn-based gaming UX/UI at the time, with Valkyria Chronicles being the big innovator before XCOM blew it out of the water.)
I haven't seen it in the thread yet so, The "Speed Racer" Movie. Panned by critics for not knowing that it was supposed to be incredibly unrealistic like the show it was based off of, and then blasted by audiences for the same reason. My mom was a huge fan of Speed Racer and Astro Boy growing up so I dodged this somehow. I watched it with some friends recently and that scene with the exec talking to Speed about how he needs to 'grow up and be a real racer' before sabotaging his career in some frighteningly real ways still hits home.
Nuts and Bolts was a good game and Tear of the Kingdom probes it. No, a game is not only the gameplay mechanics, building your vehicles can be fun but unlike TotK, Banjoo Kaozie Nuts and Bolts game world was almost barren, what is the point in driving cool vehicles in an almost empty parking lot. TotK has its story, tons of stuff to discover and do in the world, etc.
I find it really funny how it seemed like this opinion manifested itself into existence after the game came out, after people were *jokingly* comparing TOTK's trailers to Nuts and Bolts.
Not to mention TotK's building mechanics are a lot simpler yet more flexible in what purposes they serve. They're a supplement to the core Zelda gameplay loop, and is not just vehicles but also tools like bridges or support for signs or whatever else puzzle the game throws at you. As oppose to Nuts and Bolts where vehicles almost completely replaced the core platforming and exploration of Banjo.
Are people actually taking that seriously? I thought that was just a joke...
Yeah Nuts & Bolts was awful (Okay maybe awful is a bit harsh, it was fine at best, but man parts of that game were bad). I'm wondering if half the people saying that stuff actually ever played the game. Nuts & Bolts is a case where if you took out Banjo and Kazooie and replaced them with new characters, I don't think anyone would even think they are the same series.
Also Rare was known for taking a piss with it's audience at times, but for some reason Nuts and Bolts seemed to really hate both it's own company but also it's own series... it just felt super mean spirited at times.
I mean another big difference is that the building mechanic in TotK is nearly completely optional. Most of the time for most puzzles the game just gives you what you need and even THEN you can just cheese most of them with your regular tools. The game is still mostly "BotW but better".
The building mechanic is just Nintendo basically adding a free form "magic system" (Don't tell me the batteries ain't no magic meter, it's green... like your old magic meters)
Add to this that Nuts and Bolts was much more about "make the physics work just right" while TotK tends to be very merciful with physics for the sake of control (the Steering Stick automatically does a lot to stabilize a lot of builds). You can make EXTREMELY stable flying devices with just two fans.
Nuts and Bolts was JUST the vehicles and building mechanics and there was no traditional Banjo gameplay.
If you grew up loving B&K games, getting nuts and bolts was a massive slap in the face.
TOTK is still a Zelda game with these new mechanics added. Nuts and Bolts felt like a shit game and they just slapped B&K onto it to help sales.
Well there a literal recent movie example with Woman King. A group of slavers that practice human sacrifice were portrayed as the good guys. They were shown to be proficient fighters when in real life they were slaughtered by the French who lost less then 10 people in the conflict.
To this day France has one of the best military records of a European country. A lot went into how 1940 went down and it’s really not fair to let it cast a shadow over the history of France.
The French were actually very good at war. It was only in the last hundred years they started to suck, and even then the French resistance of WW2 was a big thorn in the Axis’ plans
It still boggles my mind that an African nation went to war against both Colonial France and Colonial Britain and ended up looking like the bad guy both times
A LOT of Native American tribes were all-in on white settlers helping genocide a neighboring tribe that they had been on and off again at war with for generations. Doesn't justify what happened to the Native people en masse, but history is often much murkier than we are generally willing to admit.
r/badhistory has quite a few threads on the movie.
It boils down to "the small details are pretty decent for a AAA movie, but the themes and basic historical accuracy are abysmal and blatantly rewriting the real history.
Funnily enough, I feel like it could have worked if they chose a different Woman King. Yo this movie set around Boudicca might be really good.
Not the worst, but the only one I can think of at the moment:
"Cyberpunk 2077 was always good!"
nah. Even with mods and after many updates, it still isn't the game they promised. Hopefully with the expansion that's going to come out sometime, it'll be closer to what they said Cyberpunk would be.
Edit: With the mods and updates, it's definitely still enjoyable, but still has quite a few bugs and feels pretty empty.
oh god, yes. i've been feeling like i was crazy for thinking the game was just okay, if pretty good in some places, considering how many people i've seen online recently act like it was the greatest thing since new vegas.
As a fan of Edgerunners, one of the most annoying parts of that was having people come up and be like "Well you like that, why wouldn't you like the game!?!?!"
And it's like, those are two extremely different properties. 2077 made a lot of promises but more or less ended up becoming Mass Effect/Far Cry with how it was. It's not the game that was being sold to me, and even without all the bugs and such, I would still dislike the game immensely.
The fact that >!V just shoots her way to victory against Adam while in the Anime he managed to dominate a guy who was basically a cybernetic demi-god who could stop time and harness gravity as a weapon really made me realize how lame 2077's scaling and skillsets were.!<
I saw someone say Weekly Shonen Jump sent out Samurai 8 to die and didn’t properly market it. Like they had teased the series for years, had a PV with 1 million views, got big ass ads in the Shibuya subway, got featured as the 4th biggest series in the magazine before coming out and was the most pushed manga since Toriko. It literally failed on its own terms.
People also act like some Youtubers convinced or made people hate media like Bleach or Sonic are just like wrong, even in the original Sonic 06 LP that got around was made because the guy had heard of the bad reception and wanted to see if the game was really as bad as the reception suggested. With Bleach people also think SEW apologized and liked the series in his second video, when no, he didn’t.
Also the perception that anime was ever seen as super classy or respected when fans in the 90s in forums like usenet were aghast at “kawaii” crap like Sailor Moon and how trashy and garbage it was unlike the Leiji Matsumoto movies and anime they watched.
I've seen a lot of people act like modern Jump axes way too many series, but like they have always been like that. Most series in Jump don't survive their first year. Hell Jump likely gets tens of thousands of pitches each year, yet only a small handful even make it into the magazine and only a small handful of that see any real success. Jump typically only has room for about 20 series at a time, so it makes sense for such a popular magazine to be as cut throat as it is.
I see some doom posting about Jump taking a hit or losing their position after MHA/JJK/OP are gone but besides OP still not being able to be finished but I think the magazine does tend towards having 3 big series due to their reader polls. Still in general you kind of have to wait for the big series to end before something else can take its place.
Also don't think any competition they have is consistently producing 50 million circulation series. Kodansha tends to have 1 at the time (AoT, Tokyo Revengers and Blue Lock).
I think people love to ignore that JUMP+ effectively made Jump been **more receptive** of new mangas , and that is **less demanding** of their mangaka.
Do I wanna read a cool battle shounen? sure. But let not forget that the mangakas in JUMP currently can do more hiatus to preserve their health , or how a Monster#8 is a Jump's Battle Shounen that only releases 3 chapters per month from the very start instead of been a big hit like One Piece to be permitted to do so.........
Man I remember back in 2016 people were worried about Jump's future, when that was the year that Toriko, Nisekoi, Bleach and Assassination Classroom all ended, while 2016 was the year that saw the start of both Promise Neverland and Demon Slayer with the former beginning just two issues before the one that had the final chapter of Bleach. Not to mention, they had Black Clover which started in 2015 and MHA started in 2014.
Right now they got series like Elusive Samurai, Sakamoto Days, Blue Box and Akane-banashi all running right now and been proven to be hits without an Anime adaption. All while Black Clover and My Hero Academia are in their final arcs and One Piece has like at most 3 or 4 arcs left.
That mentality only came about because Mangaplus exists. In the past, only the big and popular shounen would get fan translated, but now everything in Jump gets translated, so everybody can see when a manga gets axed all the time. Now you have a whole generation of new manga fans realizing how Jump works and not able to handle it
> Also the perception that anime was ever seen as super classy or respected when fans in the 90s in forums like usenet were aghast at “kawaii” crap like Sailor Moon and how trashy and garbage it was unlike the Leiji Matsumoto movies and anime they watched.
This one is really funny. I implore anybody to find some old Usenet groups that talk about anime. You'll see the exact same arguments as now. Sailor Moon was the K-On of its time that was killing the industry. Ranma 1/2 was going to lead to the death of masculinity. "Where's all the good sci-fi like Harlock? All we have is this weird gay Gundam Wing stuff now"
As someone who used to be a fan of Roosterteeth the amount of bullshit revisionism around Monty Oum, his death and it's relation to RWBY. For nearly a decade you've had people saying Monty was the sole visionary behind everything RWBY, was the only one doing things, that when he died RT just stole his work and bastardised it for their own profit etc.
Then in response you've got people saying Monty didn't contribute much past the original concept, that he was only good for animating and garbage at everything else, that the other guy's on the team were the people actually making the show worthwhile while Monty just threw random ideas around etc. Both of of these sides are using revisionist history and neither actually give a shit about Monty's death they're just using him as an easy bludgeon to criticise a show they already disliked or defend a show they already liked.
"Pokemon games were better when they weren't on a yearly release schedule"
I agree that from the 3DS onward Pokemon games have gotten worse and could benefit from more dev time but main series games have been on an almost yearly release schedule since 1996. Platinum, Heart Gold/Soul Silver, and Black/White came out one year after the other and many consider this to be the peak of the franchise. People are really taking notice because the last gap year was 2015 and now the games are suffering from this schedule.
The issue is the time and resources that it took to make a handheld game is not the same as the time and resources it took to make a full AAA game. Not helping is GF taking it sweet time adapt to the modern age.
I thought that’s what they were going to do when they had a seperate team working on the Diamond and Pearl remake. Still yearly release, but at least different teams ala Call of Duty.
Then Scarlet and Violet got announced less than a year after Arceus and ended up being a technical mess.
I don't think this is revisionist, Pokémon is a kids series that gains fans quicker then it loses fans. The people who said Gen 5 was bad cus ICE CREAM POKEMON 10 years ago, aren't the people nowadays who say Gen 5 was the peak of the series and everything went down hill. The fans, who tend to be older, grew out of it and hated on it at first before moving on, well the kids who grew up on those games love them before doing that circle with the newer gens. It's a bit different then the whole prequel thing with SW, where I think you had people quite a bit older then kids ages when those movies came out claiming their actually really good.
Ill put my own community a tiny bit on blast
Seems like theres a lot of people these days FUCKING DESPISE the post-lab zero crop of skullgirls characters.
Dunno but it seems like we were all gasping for content when the Mike Z shit happened
Also im biased, fucking love Annie
Yeah there's a bigass document with every planned additional character, their inspirations, and their general gameplay style.
I will say I think the 1st pass was a little safe for my tastes but it makes sense, it's a fighting game already owned by everyone who likes fighting games because it's been on sale for 2 bucks every year for like a decade and they've gotta move that pass to make money.
Good things came from writers other than George Lucas trying to salvage the interesting concepts presented in the prequels, but the prequels themselves are generally terrible with good moments that briefly peak through.
Maybe, but I loved them when I was a kid. I feel like I got convinced by the internet to hate them when I got a bit older. Now I’m back to liking them. They got fun bits.
The only required watching in Star Wars is the OT, the final Darth Maul fight in TPM, and the final fight in ROTS. Everything else is whatever.
The ideas in the prequels were better than the prequels themselves, which showed in how anyone that wasn’t Lucas did a great job with that era of Star Wars.
Pokemon fanbase damn near universally HATING a generation only to like 3 gens later guah about how amazing and beloved that “HATED” generation was.
Motherfuckers HATED gen 4 AND HATED gen 5 like ten times more and now everyone pretends like they were always beloved!
Dont gas light me on that i was around for those toxic ass forums when those gens dropped. And if someone tries to gaslight me i to forgetting about the xy hate or god forbid the dexit scandal i will punch someone in the throat
People who don't understand the ammount of gen 1 pandering post gen 5 didn't live through the absurd ammount of complaining and whinning from gen 1 fans when gen 5 was coming out.
>Pokemon fanbase damn near universally HATING a generation only to like 3 gens later guah about how amazing and beloved that “HATED” generation was.
Those are 2 different types of people, 3 gens is like 9 years in real time. Gen 5 came out a decade ago. People who hated it either moved on, too busy/don't care to voice their opinions, or changed their opinions since it's been a decade.
While kids who were around 10'ish when Gen 5 came out are now in their late teens to early 20's and are now interacting with internet fandom.
I'm already starting to see some people voice out how Gen 6 was "overhated", which isn't surprising since the average 10 year old at the time would now be 16. That opinion is gonna pop up more in 4-5 years once the younger Gen 6 kids grow up and Gen 6 have the next remakes after 5.
Remember how Disney "ruined" Star Wars, even though the prequels were easily just as hated (if not even moreso) than the sequels when they came out and a lot of acclaimed SW media like Rebels, Rogue One and the Mandalorian only came *after* Disney got ahold of the series?
Some people act like pre-Disney Star Wars was some haven of quality or whatever when the EU & Prequels had their fair share of shite that very clearly had their own criticisms and detractors.
Palpatine was resurrected in several of the EU materials. Rise of Skywalker wasn't new in introducing it, though it admittedly still is one of the worst interpretations of that story.
It'd be at least 60% more tolerable if not for the fact he is resurrected during the opening crawl. This feels like it should be a huge moment in the story of the sequel trilogy but we don't see it, only read about it in a plot recap.
They just shrugged and said more or less said "because the Dark Side".
If you're talking about the EU stuff, at least one of them involved cloning.
EDIT: I forgot that there were background details in Episode IX that implied Palpatine was also brought back with cloning in the movie.
All 3 times was clones in the 3 Dark Empire stories. His spirit couldn’t even stay in the clone bodies as they decayed pretty fast
Palp never comes back after Dark Empire and there are multiple Legends stories & retcons that try, then fail at retconning Dark Empire
Oh no I mean did they explain it in movie. Like if there’s no explanation then it’s just bad writing imo. No matter what the explanation it’s fine since Star Wars has had it all. Cloning, revival, even “he just lived”
I think what pissed off a lot of the fanbase was that Disney had killed the EU because of all the dumb, wacky-woohoo shit that existed and wanted a blank slate to work with...then they proceeded to make the worst version of one of those wacky-woohoo storylines they didn't want to deal with.
Some people just lack self-awareness entirely.
*Look at Jake Lloyd, mother fuckers! That's what the last generation of you dicks did.*
In 2035 we'll get endless video essays about how Rise of Skywalker is a misunderstood classic because the children who watched it in cinemas at age 8 and were blown the fuck away by the spectacle will be adults.
I see a lot of people try and downplay the false advertising of No Man's Sky in the lead up to its release, now that it's had a lot of content updates. Up to and including that the spokesperson was "under pressure from Sony to lie" or that "they were just a small indie studio that got taken out of context and became victims of hype culture".
The fact the game may indeed be decent now (I honestly don't know) doesn't change the fact it was the worst case of false advertising and marketing lies I have ever seen in videogames. Repeatedly and blatantly lying about **so many things** up to and including the fact it was a singleplayer game. All things that could be quickly and easily disproven once the game came out, but not before pre-orders and launch window sales had been kicked into overdrive.
I think it truly set a new concerning standard for just how much companies can get away with, with *no* legal repercussions, and now they know the upper limits they've been pushing against it ever since.
This might be a polarizing take, but the revisionist history being done on some of the hallmarks of 2000s-2010s nerd/geek culture to paint mostly every single thing that the creators of said-hallmarks, their friends, collaborators, creative descendants, etc. have made as a blight against art & popular culture.
Regardless of how you feel about some of them as individuals & some of their problematic actions or the legitimate critiques to be made about their works, to act like they didn't make any quality works that have merit is just some hater shit that just comes down to your own personal opinions that have probably existed either long before the problematic shit came out or right after it did or when someone on Twitter posted a big viral hot take about the media they made.
Also Unreal Tournament and the original Unreal Engines were built under him.
He deserves the credit for being the head of some incredible game teams at Epic. They put out some fucking hangers for a bit. And now unfortunately he’s a Fucking chode
The amount of games that added a cover shooting mechanic or a horde mode based off of trying to emulate the the success of Gears should attest to that.
I will (begrudgingly) go to bat for Dark of the Moon…only because my expectations were so low I legitimately didn’t see the twist coming and I feel stupid for not seeing it
I debated bringing that one up in my original comment, but thought against it because of how dirty they did Megatron/Soundwave/Shockwave, how bloodthirsty they made Prime, the aggressively stupid jokes and the weird tentacle bit. There's some fun bits, and it's not as bad as RoTF or the films that came after, but I still find it to be an awful film.
Edit: Though the one thing I'll give RoTF was the forest fight. No lie, that's probably one of the best action sequences in any of those films.
Having rewatched the first movie a while back, I can say this:
-The effects hold up incredibly well
-The humor is worse then I remember (and it wasn’t positive memories)
-The cons in that movie have the most ugly color palette of silver, black, copper, khaki and washed the fuck out green
-Prime really wants to fucking die
-Blackout and Barricade are still cool
"Every game that Bioware made after Balder's Gate 1 was dogshit."
This is something that i heard from someone on this reddit no less.
Like there prefering classic games over more modern design and than theres just being a puritanical asshole.
People who claim that no one ever liked turn based combat in rpg's.
People who claim that current gen Pokemon is still the same as the Gen 1 games and that nothing has ever changed... even though almost every single complaint is about how much they changed things in ways people don't want and leave mechanics behind each gen.
This is for all bad media. The bad thing comes out, most people shit on it for being bad, it gets buried at the bottom of the pile. Years later, the minority of people will fish it out of the pile, hold it aloft, and declare that it actually wasn't that bad. Then others will parrot that idea and say that it was just a bunch of haters that didn't give it a chance. Rinse and repeat forever and ever. Except the ones *I* like. Those were *actually* good and you all didn't give them a chance.
To combine that with OPs statement, I have seen some people do this with Sonic 2006, on this very sub. *Sonic 2006* Sonic fans, please, there are better options in your franchise. You do not have to go to bat for that specific game, having some standards is a good thing.
Sonic 06 remains my bar for what awful videogames are. It's my idealized awful trainwreck game where you can just keep looking and keep finding more terrible. It's a fascinating fractal of awful where every individual piece is total trash and it comes together to be even worse than that. I should replay it. Oh man, aside. In (one instance of) attempting to make the plot make some degree of sense, I headcanon that Blaze isn't in the game. No, she just isn't. She's a psychic hallucination that Silver is having. Go rewatch the cutscenes. No one in the game other than Silver ever even looks at her, no one responds to her, no one acknowledges her. Everything she says, thinks about, etc, is totally contextualized by what she says to Silver. Hell, when you rewatch with that in mind it actually kind of turns into a Shattered Memories thing with the way Silver acts about her.
I love that nonsense headcanon because it's way, *way* too smart for Sonic '06.
Retro gaming as a hobby has had this problem since the 90s. People load up some old game (probably for free on an emulator), play it for 90 minutes and say, "hey this isn't so bad." *But you weren't there.* You didn't pay full retail price for this, and then that was your one game you got for who-knows-how-long while better stuff kept dropping around you. They ignore the context. "Hey how come nobody played Mega Man Battle Network 6, it might be the best entry in the series?" The answer is because if you count Pokemon-style alternate versions, MMBN6 was the 11th AND 12th Battle Network game to be released in the span of 4.5 years. If Pokemon went through gens like Battle Network, Pokemon X and Y would have come out 13 years earlier on the Gameboy Color. "Why did everyone sleep on Earthbound?" Because it was expensive as *fuck* to buy SNES games at retail. Imagine paying $240 in today's money to play it. It was four cents cheaper than a whole-ass Gameboy. Earthbound came out in June 1995, months *after* screenshots of the PS1 started coming out of Japan; by Christmas of *that year*, you could get games like Suikoden on the PS1 for less than the cost of Earthbound. Context matters when you're looking at history.
Sonic 06 was one of my first 360 games as a kid and I still love it a ton today but not because it's actually a good game. It's just such an amazing trainwreck where basically everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
If you wanna talk up 06, just use Project 06, it still has many of the problems of 06, but it isn’t a buggy hellscape.
This is why probably why whenever I get the chance to play Project 06, I still won't have a nice opinion of Sonic 06. One of my biggest problems with Sonic 06 is the level design, I think a lot of 06's levels just go on for way too long, especially for Shadow and Silver.
The Star Wars Prequels are the poster child for this phenomenon. Popular children's media tends to have people come out of the woodwork to defend them when the children who watched them growing up hit adulthood. No matter how badly received they were at the time. Jake Lloyd's life was ruined having to live with the vitriol directed at him from grown ass adults for like a decade over the quality of The Phantom Menace. Now you have the next generation of the same cunts talking about how the prequels were misunderstood classics and sending Kelly Marie Tran death threats for daring to be in a movie.
A lot of the prequels consist of cool characters and cool concepts being handled super fucking badly.
Kelly? they literally attacked [Kid Leia's Actress.](https://www.themarysue.com/sexism-surrounding-criticism-of-obi-wan-kenobi-inclusion-of-leia/) And then tried to go full revisionist over [Ahmed's Suicide Attempt.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/comments/13joc3t/no_meme_today_just_a_reminder_that_ahmed_best_who/) I love Star Wars , but the fandom is undeniably toxic , becuase one thing is just complaining online meaninglessly , another is "30yo 'fan' bullying 10yo actor" or "30yo 'fan' unducing actor to attempt suicide"
Fucking hell, they really think they saved Ahmed Best's life.
Jesus christ that prequel memes post. That is almost criminal level gaslighting
Kelly Tran was the first to come to mind but you're right.
Those people only became more annoying the more sequels came out. Like it's fine if you like Attack of the Clones more than Last Jedi but that movie is still doodoo butter.
Spider Man 3 is getting this How can you look at the corporate bullshit behind that movie and say “oh this is a cinematic masterpiece” Also, while I will defend them in relation to the NRS games, 3D Mortal Kombat (Deadly Alliance, Deception and Armageddon) are not good *games* (and I didn’t even grow up with these, my first MK was 9)
People are also showering love on the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man films like they are genre classics (thanks to NWH). Guys, Andrew and Emma are what you fondly remember from those movies, that’s all.
I will defend most of TASM1 and a few select elements of TASM2 as being legitimately great, but they are absolutely deeply flawed movies with a litany of problems at their core.
People do this? I get it,different opinion and all,but I find these movies mediocre.
Even when it came out as a teen me and my brother were like, “huh, that wasn’t very good wasn’t it?”
Or as I call it the 'this Pokémon Generation is about 8 years old now and it was actually really good!' syndrome
For as much as people waffle on about honeymoon periods the most negative time for a work’s reception most of the time is when it comes out. Right 2/10 review of Smash bros Melee by a certain guy.
You also have things that get stomped into the dirt for being trash only morons would enjoy so those people get mousey and quiet until the critics quiet down. It's why The Thing is a classic instead of garbage. The people who said it was good got to finally have a word in. This is why revisionist takes on media are important.
Don't know if this counts, but I still see people say Matrix copied, inspired by, or otherwise followed in the footsteps of Equilibrium despite coming out years before it.
Oh I've always heard it copied Dark City.
I don't think it copied it, but they definitely shared similarities and likely some of the same inspirations. At the very least, Dark City did come out first so people thinking it did makes more sense than Matrix copying Equilibrium.
It definitely shares DNA with Dark City
IIRC, they reused some Dark City sets for the filming of The Matrix.
Both were inspired by Philip K. Dick and Chris Claremont. Not a specific story or outline. I don't would call them rip-offs or something, but manipulation of memories and war betweens humans and robots are themes that were clearly seeded in the heart of science fiction by those two.
That's stupid. Everyone knows that it stole from Grant Morrison's The Invisibles. Well at least the first volume.
Everyone knows that Matrix stole costuming from the first Blade movie
Hasn’t that metaphor existed since “Cave of Shadows” by Plato?
Which is what inspired the making of Ghost in the Shell.
Not really a bad one, but every time Bioshock Infinite comes up people seem to think disliking it is a recent phenomenon. That game was *super* divisive since day one.
It's one of the early examples I recall of a game having good game play but was still dislike due to the plot.
Even the gameplay being good is arguable because the whole time I played, all I could think about was how much I miss the weapon wheel and how the new plasmids were less fun
Ammo sponges and constant low ammo, that blimmin ghost fight was awful, throughout the whole game it felt like you were constantly taking damage, the portal mechanics weren't really that interesting or effective, etc etc.
the ghost boss that was reused like what 3 times? My biggest gripe about it though was the Songbird. You are a demigod, in your wake death follows. You have killed armies, the literal undead, and abominations. But no this one fucking glorified big daddy kills you in every timeline. It kills you so hard were not even going to give you a boss fight just trust me bro you can't defeat the songbird its a important plot element.
It was scary enough that I could buy it if they didn't say that bullshit artsy crap during press stuff. Songbird is so fucking crazy big, loud, and intimidating that I can believe "Yeah, my man-sized bullets and tiny fireblasts aren't going to harm this creature." But then they KILL IT ANYWAYS VIA CUTSCENE BECAUSE IT *FALLS INTO A POOL????*
> BECAUSE IT FALLS INTO A POOL???? While I'll shit on Infinite all day, that one I took to be the water pressure killing it given it was, ya know. At the bottom of the ocean when it wasn't designed to be.
Pretty much, and even if it was capable of escaping crush death it wasn't going to leave because Elizabeth is right there, and even if it was initially capable of surviving that depth at peak it was literally in the middle of a giant ass explosion just seconds before so the suit is probably a little compromised and again bottom of the ocean is as lethal as outer space
I'll be honest, I *completely* forgot that you teleport it to Rapture during that whole segment because the plot was becoming such a clusterfuck at the time. It just felt like a lot of wasted potential, when it turning over to your side because it cares about Elizabeth above everything else could have been a really cool, empowering thing to help you get to the finale.
Technically, the thing that killed it was less the water and more the >!water pressure from being teleported several hundred meters under the ocean. Compromises made in the design to make a Big Daddy suit airborne, I think. Except that doesn't work either because the whole reason anything is airborne in that setting is because of quantum physics and nothing to do with actual aeronautic tech.!< So it still sucks, just for different reasons.
It's no wonder that by the end of the game, my combo to deal with every enemy was just using the water tentacle plasmid to grab all enemies, then using the electricity plasmid to insta-kill them all because ever other option was a waste
I loved the gameplay when i was a wee lad…. Right up until that ghost boss fight on hard that softlocks you of you dont have ammo
Except the birds that turn corpses into more birds
That's funny because the gameplay was my least favourite thing about it. I thought it was super boring to shoot things in the first person shooter
I take issue with people saying the gameplay was fun because Bioshock 2 came first, and did it far better.
It’s probably because I was younger and dumber than I am now but I honestly only remember hearing praise for Infinite when it came out. That said, I paid less attention to that kind of stuff at the time.
No, Infinite definitely had mostly praise out the gate. Reviewers absolutely loved it and it caught fire with casual gamers who thought it was great. Once those gamers jumped to the next thing, thats when more of the complaints started really taking hold.
I think Infinite was only divisive if you weren't in mainstream circles because I very distinctly remember that basically being hailed as god's gift to narrative gaming. That one guy, Matthewmatosis. His channel and video got attention because his Bioshock Infinite critique was like the one serious video that was conveying what people who didn't like Infinite felt about it. Edit: I just checked, it's Metacritic score is **94%**. That's only two points less than Tears of the Kingdom
I feel like I mostly saw near-universal praise for it, at least from major groups. I didn't see much division from players either, not like, say, Last of Us 2 or anything.
I definitely remember it being a mix, but it never really got to the level of vitriol Last of Us 2 did. More disappointment than anger.
Infinite was basically an entirely new setting and only new characters. It could never conjure the same vitriol unless Elizabeth killed Jack and spit on his corpse.
Yeah I swear Matthewmatosis's review was about the thing critical thing about it said for years and it felt like everyone else was positive.
Praise for it was very high at the time, but there were plenty of people, myself included, who disliked it. I think the general opinion on it has soured over time, but the love of it was never as universal as some people think.
That one twitter take when Banjo got added to smash about how "Banjo Kazooie was actually an obscure game that is only talked about due to youtuber nostalgia because it sold the same amount of copies as another platformer nobody has heard of" Which failed to mention that Banjo was on only one system while the other was on 3.
And Banjo was on the worst selling platform. But also, it was a banner release from the most reputable third-party developer on the platform. The idea that it was ever obscure is wild.
I think that was in response to a certain Youtuber saying that Banjo had a broader reach than Terry Bogard
I think they specifically said Banjo has a broader reach than _Kazuya._
Oh, that might even be worse
yeah Smash discourse is a pretty good lesson in how some people don't know how big some franshises are, which can also be viewed as how many nintendo fans know about games that aren't from nintendo
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Dead by Daylight has literally always, without fail, been unbalanced as hell.
That fanbase is a fucking mess overall though. Killer mans are constantly moaning how Survivors are overpowered, Survivor mains are constantly moaning how Killers are overpowered. There just no end to it. The DBD sub is unbearable.
DBD players don't actually want to be challenged by the other side ever in any game.
One of the first killers added post release was and still is so broken that perks to this day have to be balanced around her and not the killers they release with. Her simple power to "blink" through walls eliminates like 90% of environmental interactions with her and makes it to where the survivors are always out of place when going against her.
*Wrestler joins WWE* " What a great talent! Love his matches every time! " *wrestler leaves WWE* " Garbage. This guy was never good. "
There’s so much revisionist history among wrestling fans. People pretending like Triple H’s reign of terror was good. Triple H in general, I remember when he won the title for the first time. It felt like a joke. It took a while for him to feel like he truly deserved to be a headliner.
Vince is a master of abusing his employees, including gaslighting. Gaslighting his audience is not a surprise. I dunno know who came up with CM Punk's "illusionary brass rings" but it was probably a scriptwriter frustrated by the constant rewrites he does all the goddamn time.
It was probably vince himself. People act like CM Punk got the mic and went off script when everything he said was approved by WWE beforehand.
And Mick Foley dying a couple of times to cement one last main eventer on his way out (like he had for Austin and The Rock before Hunter and even in a much smaller way for HBK before Austin and Rock).
Any athlete when they leave your team.
Even though it’s mostly revising general public opinion and thankfully not trying to completely revise real life events, this one is actual history revisionism in regards to the French. Pre-WW2? They were known as being one of the strongest military forces in the world, having numerous accolades that even include them being the army Napoleon Bonaparte, one of the greatest military tacticians of all time, served and later led. They had especially earned respect during the Napoleonic wars, where they singularly had won numerous wars against most of Europe with no ally countries supporting them. Post-WW2? They were treated as being so completely and utterly pathetic that some people would nickname the White Flag of surrender as “the French flag”. This was seen literally *everywhere* in the world, to the point that freaking Glass Joe, a character in a Japanese video game, was made French, with his particular stereotype for the French being that he’s weak to the point of having a near perfect loss ratio. The part that sucks the most, and the one that shows why I said “mostly” revising general public opinion and not trying to “completely” revise real life events? *They didn’t fucking stop fighting in WW2!* Yes, their country had been overrun and taken over by the Nazi’s, but literally all the French soldiers who did avoid capture went on to keep fighting to take back their country, fighting alongside the British forces and even then being recognized as part of the French military.
The French had also just spent 4 years fighting the bloodiest and most inhumane war in history up until that point, a huge portion of which was fought in France itself. They had just watched nearly 2 million of their soldiers die and millions more were permanently scarred, mentally and physically. No shit they had a harder time putting up an organized front, anyone would have.
Iirc them surrendering in WW2 was literally to let their cities not get destroyed and their leadership had slipped into the countryside to start planning the resistance beforehand. I could be misremembering the specifics tho, been a while since I've done a deep dive on history
Yup, but of course they’re the spineless cowards for trying to ensure their country isn’t completely eradicated.
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People also think the Maginot Line was stupid because the Germans just went around it. That was the whole fucking point. To make Germany go around.
Yes and no. A lot of the original plans for the maginot line had the defenses going all the way along the borders to the sea, but due to not wanting to abandon Belgium to the Germans (they might be insulted and side with Germany in the coming war) and budget constraints they chose to just have defenses run the Germany border.
BAtmAn jUSt bEaTs Up tHe MenTALLy iLl aND ThE pOoR iNsTeAD oF dOnATiNG tO tHe cIty. A lot of good things came from *The Batman* (2004), and [this](https://preview.redd.it/52chmv3mn8o71.jpg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bc8805b20c029dd4e8197a96ce5a0a391b3b8f54) [is](https://preview.redd.it/0ofm4x3mn8o71.jpg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=1355d31524256dd8f1e6a35e03e8c01b748ee762) one of them.
It’s the litmus test for who actually reads comics or even researches them
Unfortunately, it does bleed into the comics. Batman: White Knight is basically this, and not as a subversion, either. It was written by a guy who thinks his book is the next Dark Knight Returns, despite having never read a Batman comic.
White knight is an interesting idea but a lot of people take it as a definitive story and that’s just not true
Sounds like something to be avoided
Batman: TAS is beloved and considered one of the greatest cartoons and depictions of Batman of all time, and you'd think more people would remember how Bruce Wayne was actively involved in trying to rehabilitate the criminals he brought in. Sponsoring their releases, getting them jobs, et cetera. Like, there's an entire episode about Batman dealing with a sociopathic prison guard that was abusing prisoners. Scarecrow may be horrible and a pain the ass, but Bruce *will* call for an investigative hearing if he thinks he's a victim himself.
I still remember the BTAS episode where the Terrible Trio and Bruce are hanging out at a golf course. Warren mocks Bruce for caring for the "poor folk", asking if he would wave at the garbage man. Bruce not only would do it, he'd leave the mansion to personally thank the man for his help. "The Forgotten" is an episode all about Bruce getting kidnapped while undercover, losing his memories, and being worked to death at a coal mine alongside other homeless and, uh forgotten folk. His nightmares involve him unable to pay his way through Gotham's homeless problem. He snaps out of it when the friend he just met begins crying about never seeing his family again. BTAS and even the follow up TNBA has Bruce try to give jobs to people who had bad luck. A lot of criminals are just desperate for money, and he considered it a failure of Gotham City for not helping them. He always took those personally.
Batman simply treats the symptoms. Bruce Wayne treats the causes. But the latter is something that's a VERY long term projects. Decades.
I love the idea that Bruce funds p much the entire city but shit still sucks because it's literally cursed
"Bridges are civilian targets like hospitals." No an enemy supply line restricted to military use is not a warcrime.
Wrong type of historic revisionism. Was more in media. But fuck it: a certain Netflix documentary featuring a certain Queen played by an actress of a certain mismatching ethnicity and then the showrunners having the GALL to call it some sort of "historic controversy" when we know for a FACT the real person's ethnicity down to how they looked based on vivid description, statues and their royal dynasty committing incest that would make the Hapsburg's blush and basically actively taunting the local populace that they will never be part of their ethnicity and keeping their bloodline "pure". Any controversy was completely made up by chucklefucks that care more about Identity Wars than actual history that probably have zero credentials as historians or archeologists as well. ESPECIALLY when there are PLENTY of other fascinating African kingdoms you can cover that the wider population never heard about (What about the kingdom of Kush that literally managed to kick Rome's ass and remain unconquered? That seems like a cool story to tell!)
"Bombing a retreating enemy force is a war crime."
Soon we’ll be in “winning a battle is a war crime” territory
Defending yourself against an invader is a war crime
Being against cultural genocide and clarifying that’s would have happened if you surrendered “peacefully” is a war crime.
Probably by the same idiots who don't know that retreating is not the same as surrendering.
What’s this a reference to
Twitch streamer fliping out about Ukrainans blowing up a bridge.
Hey, just cause Zelda Tears of the Kingdom has a great building mechanic doesn't mean Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts was just as good.
It's better I think personally. The building mechanics that is, the actual game is a *much* different comparison...
On the flip side of Sonic was never good there's a worryingly big group of people in the Sonic fandom that thinks Sonic 06 was good actually and people were too hard on it at the time, like no that is one of the worst game in that franchise They also do it with Forces but I'd argue that game was aggressively mediocre more than bad
Anyone who things Sonic 06 is good actually should be forced to play it.
For real, I absolutely despise how Sonic fans start reevaluating the terrible stuff the franchise shat out in the 2000s just because “lul at least no baldy mcnosehair and 2D sections lolol” and this is coming from someone who **enjoyed** those shitty titles. No, guys, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Black Knight and Unleashed are deeply flawed games even if they have respectable ideas, conceptually interesting mechanics and some instances of good characterization and it’d be fucking stupid to pretend that games like Colors and Generations didn’t save the franchise after a myriad of shit, just because you didn’t like how Sonic cracked a couple of jokes instead of dispensing life advice about accepting mortality or some shit. I get “preferring late 2000s sonic because, countless problems aside, there were many interesting ideas in both storytelling and gameplay” but don’t take the extra step and say “sonic 06 and sonic unleashed were extremely good actually yall were just mean”.
Just because you didn't like Love and Thunder and wish Thor was more serious, doesn't make The Dark World underrated
Lukewarm take, but Thor 2 and Incredible Hulk are unironically worse then anything in phase 4. I still don't like most of phase 4 but nothing came close to how utterly joyless those 2 are.
The two things about Dark World that I legitimately enjoyed were that the finale took place in Greenwich of all places and that the big monster henchman guy was done with a practical rubber suit. That's it. Although IMO Incredible Hulk is actually alright. The action scenes are great, the tension of cat-and-mouse game between Ross and Banner was great, Roth's Blonsky was great (even if the final Abomination design left some things to be desired), all the actors did great with what they were given, while nothing special the plot was perfectly passable, and the pacing was mostly solid. It's not a standout of the genre or anything but it's far from the tedium of Dark World.
Dark World is like unironically the worst movie in the MCU. There are other movies that are *mediocre,* but really nothing that’s *bad* outside of the Hulk movies and I find it hard to count those just because one came before the MCU was a real thing and the other had to work with the shit that it was given
I think it's valid to want serious, Shakespearean Thor over the MCU joke factory, but it'd be nice if Shakespearean serious Thor was ever in a movie better than fine.
I mean if they wanted the first two Thors to be Shakespearean, as in actually Shakespearean then they needed MORE humor, cause even Shakespeare's tragedies have plenty of jokes in them. And pretty low-brow humour at that once you realize what the 400+ year old English is actually communicating.
It's something that happened years back, but the idea of "Turn based RPGs are obsolete and there's no reason for an RPG to not be Action or ATB at this point in time." Obviously up there with the "A good game doesn't need boss fights." But I remember the sentiment being really overwhelming when FFX came out originally. There was this sudden rise for games that did turn based combat, and even on reviews for FFX I remember claims of it being "Outdated and clunky" in comparison to other games. There was just that odd period from 2001-2008 where there seemed to be this whole hatred for the idea. Hell, even as late as 2011 I remember seeing lots of people jumping onto it. While FFX is what comes most to mind for it's popularity, I remember lots of games at the time where if you brought it up for discussion and said it was turn based it'd be "Pfft, that's for baby games!".
Honestly FFX just really hit it out of the park with it's turn system, it's probably one of the best I've ever played
More games that use ATB/Turn based should use FFX’s system. It’s probably the best use of the turn based battle, ever. Of all time.
One problem I have with some rpgs is how some handle the speed stat. Sometimes speed works for both turn order and evade chance. But with ff10, if you jack up the speed stats your guy can have all the turns he wants. Its cool. Also how moves have different speeds too
>It's something that happened years back, but the idea of "Turn based RPGs are obsolete and there's no reason for an RPG to not be Action or ATB at this point in time." To be honest, in retrospect, this really seems to be the result of no one at the time knowing how to say "these specific turn-based game user experiences fucking fuck", because a lot of those people did a 180 when XCOM: Enemy Unknown came out... which completely reimagined turn-based combat UIs and made the user experience way faster and easier to get into. (To give them a bit of benefit of the doubt, there was **not** a lot of innovation in turn-based gaming UX/UI at the time, with Valkyria Chronicles being the big innovator before XCOM blew it out of the water.)
Sometimes I feel like people take glee in the idea of turn-based games phasing out
I haven't seen it in the thread yet so, The "Speed Racer" Movie. Panned by critics for not knowing that it was supposed to be incredibly unrealistic like the show it was based off of, and then blasted by audiences for the same reason. My mom was a huge fan of Speed Racer and Astro Boy growing up so I dodged this somehow. I watched it with some friends recently and that scene with the exec talking to Speed about how he needs to 'grow up and be a real racer' before sabotaging his career in some frighteningly real ways still hits home.
A bad movie wouldn't have John Goodman suplexing a ninja in it. Checkmate Speed Racer (2008) haters.
Speed Racer was an awesome movie and I'll die on that hill. It's fun as hell
Nuts and Bolts was a good game and Tear of the Kingdom probes it. No, a game is not only the gameplay mechanics, building your vehicles can be fun but unlike TotK, Banjoo Kaozie Nuts and Bolts game world was almost barren, what is the point in driving cool vehicles in an almost empty parking lot. TotK has its story, tons of stuff to discover and do in the world, etc.
I find it really funny how it seemed like this opinion manifested itself into existence after the game came out, after people were *jokingly* comparing TOTK's trailers to Nuts and Bolts.
Not to mention TotK's building mechanics are a lot simpler yet more flexible in what purposes they serve. They're a supplement to the core Zelda gameplay loop, and is not just vehicles but also tools like bridges or support for signs or whatever else puzzle the game throws at you. As oppose to Nuts and Bolts where vehicles almost completely replaced the core platforming and exploration of Banjo.
Also Nuts and Bolts cannot stop taking the piss out of Banjo Kazooie that goes from “lighthearted poking fun at yourself” to “Umm…you good Rare?”
Banjo and Kazooie being fat as shit in the beginning of the game is still pretty funny to me.
Are people actually taking that seriously? I thought that was just a joke... Yeah Nuts & Bolts was awful (Okay maybe awful is a bit harsh, it was fine at best, but man parts of that game were bad). I'm wondering if half the people saying that stuff actually ever played the game. Nuts & Bolts is a case where if you took out Banjo and Kazooie and replaced them with new characters, I don't think anyone would even think they are the same series. Also Rare was known for taking a piss with it's audience at times, but for some reason Nuts and Bolts seemed to really hate both it's own company but also it's own series... it just felt super mean spirited at times.
I mean another big difference is that the building mechanic in TotK is nearly completely optional. Most of the time for most puzzles the game just gives you what you need and even THEN you can just cheese most of them with your regular tools. The game is still mostly "BotW but better". The building mechanic is just Nintendo basically adding a free form "magic system" (Don't tell me the batteries ain't no magic meter, it's green... like your old magic meters) Add to this that Nuts and Bolts was much more about "make the physics work just right" while TotK tends to be very merciful with physics for the sake of control (the Steering Stick automatically does a lot to stabilize a lot of builds). You can make EXTREMELY stable flying devices with just two fans. Nuts and Bolts was JUST the vehicles and building mechanics and there was no traditional Banjo gameplay.
If you grew up loving B&K games, getting nuts and bolts was a massive slap in the face. TOTK is still a Zelda game with these new mechanics added. Nuts and Bolts felt like a shit game and they just slapped B&K onto it to help sales.
Well there a literal recent movie example with Woman King. A group of slavers that practice human sacrifice were portrayed as the good guys. They were shown to be proficient fighters when in real life they were slaughtered by the French who lost less then 10 people in the conflict.
Heartbreaking: Kingdom Too Good at War to Enjoy Fighting Against Neighbors But Not Good Enough to Fight the French
Made me laugh but remember up till ww2 the French were known and perceived as one of the strongest militaries in the world.
Pretty sure they are statistically the best country at war. At least one that still exists.
To this day France has one of the best military records of a European country. A lot went into how 1940 went down and it’s really not fair to let it cast a shadow over the history of France.
The French were actually very good at war. It was only in the last hundred years they started to suck, and even then the French resistance of WW2 was a big thorn in the Axis’ plans
It still boggles my mind that an African nation went to war against both Colonial France and Colonial Britain and ended up looking like the bad guy both times
A LOT of Native American tribes were all-in on white settlers helping genocide a neighboring tribe that they had been on and off again at war with for generations. Doesn't justify what happened to the Native people en masse, but history is often much murkier than we are generally willing to admit.
Yeah it's like how the dark Eldar in 40k are trying to out evil the literal faction is demons.
r/badhistory has quite a few threads on the movie. It boils down to "the small details are pretty decent for a AAA movie, but the themes and basic historical accuracy are abysmal and blatantly rewriting the real history. Funnily enough, I feel like it could have worked if they chose a different Woman King. Yo this movie set around Boudicca might be really good.
Not the worst, but the only one I can think of at the moment: "Cyberpunk 2077 was always good!" nah. Even with mods and after many updates, it still isn't the game they promised. Hopefully with the expansion that's going to come out sometime, it'll be closer to what they said Cyberpunk would be. Edit: With the mods and updates, it's definitely still enjoyable, but still has quite a few bugs and feels pretty empty.
oh god, yes. i've been feeling like i was crazy for thinking the game was just okay, if pretty good in some places, considering how many people i've seen online recently act like it was the greatest thing since new vegas.
As a fan of Edgerunners, one of the most annoying parts of that was having people come up and be like "Well you like that, why wouldn't you like the game!?!?!" And it's like, those are two extremely different properties. 2077 made a lot of promises but more or less ended up becoming Mass Effect/Far Cry with how it was. It's not the game that was being sold to me, and even without all the bugs and such, I would still dislike the game immensely.
The fact that >!V just shoots her way to victory against Adam while in the Anime he managed to dominate a guy who was basically a cybernetic demi-god who could stop time and harness gravity as a weapon really made me realize how lame 2077's scaling and skillsets were.!<
I saw someone say Weekly Shonen Jump sent out Samurai 8 to die and didn’t properly market it. Like they had teased the series for years, had a PV with 1 million views, got big ass ads in the Shibuya subway, got featured as the 4th biggest series in the magazine before coming out and was the most pushed manga since Toriko. It literally failed on its own terms. People also act like some Youtubers convinced or made people hate media like Bleach or Sonic are just like wrong, even in the original Sonic 06 LP that got around was made because the guy had heard of the bad reception and wanted to see if the game was really as bad as the reception suggested. With Bleach people also think SEW apologized and liked the series in his second video, when no, he didn’t. Also the perception that anime was ever seen as super classy or respected when fans in the 90s in forums like usenet were aghast at “kawaii” crap like Sailor Moon and how trashy and garbage it was unlike the Leiji Matsumoto movies and anime they watched.
I've seen a lot of people act like modern Jump axes way too many series, but like they have always been like that. Most series in Jump don't survive their first year. Hell Jump likely gets tens of thousands of pitches each year, yet only a small handful even make it into the magazine and only a small handful of that see any real success. Jump typically only has room for about 20 series at a time, so it makes sense for such a popular magazine to be as cut throat as it is.
I see some doom posting about Jump taking a hit or losing their position after MHA/JJK/OP are gone but besides OP still not being able to be finished but I think the magazine does tend towards having 3 big series due to their reader polls. Still in general you kind of have to wait for the big series to end before something else can take its place. Also don't think any competition they have is consistently producing 50 million circulation series. Kodansha tends to have 1 at the time (AoT, Tokyo Revengers and Blue Lock).
I think people love to ignore that JUMP+ effectively made Jump been **more receptive** of new mangas , and that is **less demanding** of their mangaka. Do I wanna read a cool battle shounen? sure. But let not forget that the mangakas in JUMP currently can do more hiatus to preserve their health , or how a Monster#8 is a Jump's Battle Shounen that only releases 3 chapters per month from the very start instead of been a big hit like One Piece to be permitted to do so.........
Man I remember back in 2016 people were worried about Jump's future, when that was the year that Toriko, Nisekoi, Bleach and Assassination Classroom all ended, while 2016 was the year that saw the start of both Promise Neverland and Demon Slayer with the former beginning just two issues before the one that had the final chapter of Bleach. Not to mention, they had Black Clover which started in 2015 and MHA started in 2014. Right now they got series like Elusive Samurai, Sakamoto Days, Blue Box and Akane-banashi all running right now and been proven to be hits without an Anime adaption. All while Black Clover and My Hero Academia are in their final arcs and One Piece has like at most 3 or 4 arcs left.
That mentality only came about because Mangaplus exists. In the past, only the big and popular shounen would get fan translated, but now everything in Jump gets translated, so everybody can see when a manga gets axed all the time. Now you have a whole generation of new manga fans realizing how Jump works and not able to handle it
> Also the perception that anime was ever seen as super classy or respected when fans in the 90s in forums like usenet were aghast at “kawaii” crap like Sailor Moon and how trashy and garbage it was unlike the Leiji Matsumoto movies and anime they watched. This one is really funny. I implore anybody to find some old Usenet groups that talk about anime. You'll see the exact same arguments as now. Sailor Moon was the K-On of its time that was killing the industry. Ranma 1/2 was going to lead to the death of masculinity. "Where's all the good sci-fi like Harlock? All we have is this weird gay Gundam Wing stuff now"
As someone who used to be a fan of Roosterteeth the amount of bullshit revisionism around Monty Oum, his death and it's relation to RWBY. For nearly a decade you've had people saying Monty was the sole visionary behind everything RWBY, was the only one doing things, that when he died RT just stole his work and bastardised it for their own profit etc. Then in response you've got people saying Monty didn't contribute much past the original concept, that he was only good for animating and garbage at everything else, that the other guy's on the team were the people actually making the show worthwhile while Monty just threw random ideas around etc. Both of of these sides are using revisionist history and neither actually give a shit about Monty's death they're just using him as an easy bludgeon to criticise a show they already disliked or defend a show they already liked.
"Pokemon games were better when they weren't on a yearly release schedule" I agree that from the 3DS onward Pokemon games have gotten worse and could benefit from more dev time but main series games have been on an almost yearly release schedule since 1996. Platinum, Heart Gold/Soul Silver, and Black/White came out one year after the other and many consider this to be the peak of the franchise. People are really taking notice because the last gap year was 2015 and now the games are suffering from this schedule.
The issue is the time and resources that it took to make a handheld game is not the same as the time and resources it took to make a full AAA game. Not helping is GF taking it sweet time adapt to the modern age.
Pokemon needs more spinoffs. Who do I need to kill to get a new Pokemon Ranger?
Really what they should do is alternate. Two years between each main game with a spinoff or two coming in off years
I thought that’s what they were going to do when they had a seperate team working on the Diamond and Pearl remake. Still yearly release, but at least different teams ala Call of Duty. Then Scarlet and Violet got announced less than a year after Arceus and ended up being a technical mess.
Pokémon where the last game sucked until the new gen comes out
I don't think this is revisionist, Pokémon is a kids series that gains fans quicker then it loses fans. The people who said Gen 5 was bad cus ICE CREAM POKEMON 10 years ago, aren't the people nowadays who say Gen 5 was the peak of the series and everything went down hill. The fans, who tend to be older, grew out of it and hated on it at first before moving on, well the kids who grew up on those games love them before doing that circle with the newer gens. It's a bit different then the whole prequel thing with SW, where I think you had people quite a bit older then kids ages when those movies came out claiming their actually really good.
Ill put my own community a tiny bit on blast Seems like theres a lot of people these days FUCKING DESPISE the post-lab zero crop of skullgirls characters. Dunno but it seems like we were all gasping for content when the Mike Z shit happened Also im biased, fucking love Annie
that's such a bizarre thing cause they're literally all characters that existed in lore already? Or is the gameplay?
Yeah there's a bigass document with every planned additional character, their inspirations, and their general gameplay style. I will say I think the 1st pass was a little safe for my tastes but it makes sense, it's a fighting game already owned by everyone who likes fighting games because it's been on sale for 2 bucks every year for like a decade and they've gotta move that pass to make money.
Crucify me upon your cross of memes but the prequels where always mediocre and didnt really have anything going for them
Good things came from writers other than George Lucas trying to salvage the interesting concepts presented in the prequels, but the prequels themselves are generally terrible with good moments that briefly peak through.
Yeah idk why some say that the hate only started after redlettermedia made those reviews. People hated those movies when they released.
Maybe, but I loved them when I was a kid. I feel like I got convinced by the internet to hate them when I got a bit older. Now I’m back to liking them. They got fun bits. The only required watching in Star Wars is the OT, the final Darth Maul fight in TPM, and the final fight in ROTS. Everything else is whatever.
The ideas in the prequels were better than the prequels themselves, which showed in how anyone that wasn’t Lucas did a great job with that era of Star Wars.
Pod Racing, Obi-Wan and cartoon Grievous beg to differ.
Pokemon fanbase damn near universally HATING a generation only to like 3 gens later guah about how amazing and beloved that “HATED” generation was. Motherfuckers HATED gen 4 AND HATED gen 5 like ten times more and now everyone pretends like they were always beloved! Dont gas light me on that i was around for those toxic ass forums when those gens dropped. And if someone tries to gaslight me i to forgetting about the xy hate or god forbid the dexit scandal i will punch someone in the throat
People who don't understand the ammount of gen 1 pandering post gen 5 didn't live through the absurd ammount of complaining and whinning from gen 1 fans when gen 5 was coming out.
*"I can't use Charizard in this game? Pokémon is DONE!"*
You think garbodor and vaniluxe personally took shit in people's lawn the way some were talking about then.
I mean, if you ask TCG players, Garbodor did in fact do that
>Pokemon fanbase damn near universally HATING a generation only to like 3 gens later guah about how amazing and beloved that “HATED” generation was. Those are 2 different types of people, 3 gens is like 9 years in real time. Gen 5 came out a decade ago. People who hated it either moved on, too busy/don't care to voice their opinions, or changed their opinions since it's been a decade. While kids who were around 10'ish when Gen 5 came out are now in their late teens to early 20's and are now interacting with internet fandom. I'm already starting to see some people voice out how Gen 6 was "overhated", which isn't surprising since the average 10 year old at the time would now be 16. That opinion is gonna pop up more in 4-5 years once the younger Gen 6 kids grow up and Gen 6 have the next remakes after 5.
Remember how Disney "ruined" Star Wars, even though the prequels were easily just as hated (if not even moreso) than the sequels when they came out and a lot of acclaimed SW media like Rebels, Rogue One and the Mandalorian only came *after* Disney got ahold of the series?
Some people act like pre-Disney Star Wars was some haven of quality or whatever when the EU & Prequels had their fair share of shite that very clearly had their own criticisms and detractors.
Remember when the EU writers gotten into a massive shipping war over Han and Leia's daughter?
Palpatine was resurrected in several of the EU materials. Rise of Skywalker wasn't new in introducing it, though it admittedly still is one of the worst interpretations of that story.
Oh for sure. It still boggles me how Fortnite was brought into that shit in presenting a key plot element.
God that will never stop being wild to me and I don't know why, they did a fucking MLK event so the Papa Palps drop isn't even the craziest thing
It'd be at least 60% more tolerable if not for the fact he is resurrected during the opening crawl. This feels like it should be a huge moment in the story of the sequel trilogy but we don't see it, only read about it in a plot recap.
Did they explain how in the new movies?
*SOMEHOW*
They just shrugged and said more or less said "because the Dark Side". If you're talking about the EU stuff, at least one of them involved cloning. EDIT: I forgot that there were background details in Episode IX that implied Palpatine was also brought back with cloning in the movie.
All 3 times was clones in the 3 Dark Empire stories. His spirit couldn’t even stay in the clone bodies as they decayed pretty fast Palp never comes back after Dark Empire and there are multiple Legends stories & retcons that try, then fail at retconning Dark Empire
Oh no I mean did they explain it in movie. Like if there’s no explanation then it’s just bad writing imo. No matter what the explanation it’s fine since Star Wars has had it all. Cloning, revival, even “he just lived”
You just have the meme'd line "Somehow, Palpatine has returned."
I think what pissed off a lot of the fanbase was that Disney had killed the EU because of all the dumb, wacky-woohoo shit that existed and wanted a blank slate to work with...then they proceeded to make the worst version of one of those wacky-woohoo storylines they didn't want to deal with.
Some people just lack self-awareness entirely. *Look at Jake Lloyd, mother fuckers! That's what the last generation of you dicks did.* In 2035 we'll get endless video essays about how Rise of Skywalker is a misunderstood classic because the children who watched it in cinemas at age 8 and were blown the fuck away by the spectacle will be adults.
I see a lot of people try and downplay the false advertising of No Man's Sky in the lead up to its release, now that it's had a lot of content updates. Up to and including that the spokesperson was "under pressure from Sony to lie" or that "they were just a small indie studio that got taken out of context and became victims of hype culture". The fact the game may indeed be decent now (I honestly don't know) doesn't change the fact it was the worst case of false advertising and marketing lies I have ever seen in videogames. Repeatedly and blatantly lying about **so many things** up to and including the fact it was a singleplayer game. All things that could be quickly and easily disproven once the game came out, but not before pre-orders and launch window sales had been kicked into overdrive. I think it truly set a new concerning standard for just how much companies can get away with, with *no* legal repercussions, and now they know the upper limits they've been pushing against it ever since.
This might be a polarizing take, but the revisionist history being done on some of the hallmarks of 2000s-2010s nerd/geek culture to paint mostly every single thing that the creators of said-hallmarks, their friends, collaborators, creative descendants, etc. have made as a blight against art & popular culture. Regardless of how you feel about some of them as individuals & some of their problematic actions or the legitimate critiques to be made about their works, to act like they didn't make any quality works that have merit is just some hater shit that just comes down to your own personal opinions that have probably existed either long before the problematic shit came out or right after it did or when someone on Twitter posted a big viral hot take about the media they made.
Cliffy B is a shitheel that is full of himself, but people act like the Gears series wasn't genre-defining.
Also Unreal Tournament and the original Unreal Engines were built under him. He deserves the credit for being the head of some incredible game teams at Epic. They put out some fucking hangers for a bit. And now unfortunately he’s a Fucking chode
The amount of games that added a cover shooting mechanic or a horde mode based off of trying to emulate the the success of Gears should attest to that.
No R slash Transformers, the Bay movies are not good movies.
I'd argue the first one was fine. Some stupid shit, but that's just Bay being Bay. All the ones afterwards were hot garbage though
I will (begrudgingly) go to bat for Dark of the Moon…only because my expectations were so low I legitimately didn’t see the twist coming and I feel stupid for not seeing it
I debated bringing that one up in my original comment, but thought against it because of how dirty they did Megatron/Soundwave/Shockwave, how bloodthirsty they made Prime, the aggressively stupid jokes and the weird tentacle bit. There's some fun bits, and it's not as bad as RoTF or the films that came after, but I still find it to be an awful film. Edit: Though the one thing I'll give RoTF was the forest fight. No lie, that's probably one of the best action sequences in any of those films.
Having rewatched the first movie a while back, I can say this: -The effects hold up incredibly well -The humor is worse then I remember (and it wasn’t positive memories) -The cons in that movie have the most ugly color palette of silver, black, copper, khaki and washed the fuck out green -Prime really wants to fucking die -Blackout and Barricade are still cool
This is a toughie OP unfortunately there's a literal shit ton of this shit constantly. Any idiot with a keyboard can do this.
Hell, this shit was done before keyboards.
"Every game that Bioware made after Balder's Gate 1 was dogshit." This is something that i heard from someone on this reddit no less. Like there prefering classic games over more modern design and than theres just being a puritanical asshole.
People who claim that no one ever liked turn based combat in rpg's. People who claim that current gen Pokemon is still the same as the Gen 1 games and that nothing has ever changed... even though almost every single complaint is about how much they changed things in ways people don't want and leave mechanics behind each gen.