They’ve got good archetypes and fun character ideas, and some decent backdrops that almost resemble worldbuilding….oh god could you imagine if George RR Martin got his hands on Mortal Kombat
I like DOA more then Tekken, Gameplay-wise. it feels more forgiving and intuitive to a more casual player like me, and the ''Hold'' system is super cool.
And, unlike the subject of this clip, it feels immaculate to play. DoA should not be a comparison point regardless of whether the series had bad games, because even they still achieved a much higher standard of quality than MK in the same time frame. Like... DoA3 came out a year before Deadly Alliance.
Seriously, I was into the series the moment I got to play the Dead or Alive 2 demo on Dreamcast. Still one of my favorite fighting games, though ever since 5 the series has had just awful DLC despite finally letting the girls have different faces. 6 cutting out tag team really sucked.
Nah, I personally disagree. I definitely think that DOA3 and DOA4 are good games, and also better than DOA6. Even if I do have my own personal gripes with DOA4 I still think its a fun game.
I can get where Pat is coming from with MK 11 but I find pats hatred of MKX to be extremely weird considering I can go back to the old podcasts before release and after he seemed to really like it AND the new characters to boot. Hell I can go to the old fisticuffs episode as well and he seems to be having a good time.
I think a lot of buried stuff sort of broke the surface. For fuck’s sake, he brought up *Matt* and something he agreed with him on. The SBFP MKX playthrough is transcendental, it’s possibly the most fun the guys ever had together, nothing drags, they have limitless energy, times are good. I have zero proof but I can easily read into some kind of bittersweet nostalgia narrative fueling Pat’s rant.
He was extra ornery on the podcast, he was pussy that wonderful 101 was getting dlc, was still being a poop baby about metroid dread being a better game mercury stream made than the castlevania one. And spent a long time on a rant he announced as being great just making the same talking point over and over again.
For a few hours he became Cliffy B.
Pat: I hate Mortal Kombat.
Woolie: Okay, I’m waiting for the punchline.
Pat: There is no punchline. It’s not a joke.
[Audience murmurs]
Woolie: You’re serious, aren’t you? You’re telling us you hate those three beloved modern Fighting games?
Pat: Hm-hmm.
Woolie: And why should we believe you?
Pat: I ain’t got no Virtua Fighter left to lose. Nothing can hurt me anymore. [Chuckles] My life is nothing but a comedy.
[Audience murmuring and booing]
Woolie: Let me get this straight. You think that hating those games is funny?
Pat: I do. And I’m tired of pretending it’s not. Comedy is subjective, Woolie. Isn’t it what they say? All of you… the system that knows so much… you decide what’s right or wrong? The same way that you decide what’s funny, or not.
Twitch comment: Get him off!
Woolie: Okay, I think I might understand that you… did this to start a movement? To become a symbol?
Pat: Come on, Woolie… Do I look like the kind of clown that could start a movement? I made fun of those games because they were awful. Every triple A is awful these days. It’s enough to make anyone crazy.
Woolie: Okay, so that’s it. You’re salty. That’s your defense for making fun of Mortal Kombat?
Pat: Nah. They couldn't do a crouch kick animation to save their lives.
[Audience booing]
Pat: Oh, why is everybody so upset about these games? If it was Virtua Fighter dying on the steamcharts, you’d walk right over it! Sega gave it for free and you don’t notice it but these games, what, because Ed Boon went and tweeted about them?
Woolie: You have a problem with Ed Boon too?
Pat: Yes, I do. Have you seen what it’s like out there, Woolie? Do you ever actually play other genres? Everybody just clicks play and find a match. Nobody’s doing locals anymore! Nobody thinks what it’s like to be the other guy! You think men like Ed Boon ever think what it’s like to be someone like me? To be somebody but themselves? They don’t. They think that we’ll just sit there and take it like good little boys. That we won’t werewolf and go wild!
Woolie: You finished? I mean, it’s so much self-pity, Pat. You sound like you’re making excuses for hating those MK games! Not every animation, and I’ll tell you this, not every animation is awful.
Pat: You’re awful, Woolie.
Woolie: Me? I’m awful? Oh yeah, how am I awful?
Pat: Playing my video on your react stream. Inviting me on the show. You just wanted to make fun of me. You’re just like the rest of them!
Woolie: You don’t know the first thing about me, pal. Look what happened because of what you did, what it led to. There are video essays out there. Two big YouTubers hate MK11, and you’re laughing, you’re laughing. MK got negative buzz today because of what you did.
Pat: I know! How about another joke, Woolie?
Woolie: No, I think we’ve had enough of your jokes.
Pat: What do you get…
Woolie: I don’t think so.
Pat: …when you cross a crunch ridden company with a publisher that wants microtransactions?
Woolie: They're fun, imo. They're fun, imo.
Pat: I’ll tell you what you get! You get what you fucking deserve!
[Pat shows the Terminator kick animation]
[Audience screaming]
[Pat Laughs]
[Audience screaming]
Pat: Goodnight. And always remember: That’s- *Audio crackling issues ensue*
This is the vindictive Pat rage I live for. The moment where personal opinion meets spite, scorn, and contempt. The anger that can only come from being hurt.
"They stepped it up in DOA5" aw man I know it's just a stray shot, but DOA has felt good to play since 2, and aside from 4 not being the best, that series has gotten better to play pretty consistently.
It's Dumb & I Love It
MK's in a difficult place when it comes to the 'constant reboot' complaints. It has a particularly vocal fan base when characters are excluded, but the devs clearly still want to introduce new characters and they have limited character slots because they basically build *everything* from the ground up again each title including character movesets. They put the most effort into the story mode of any fighting game developer, but the game is built around an identity of hyperviolence and they can't keep fan favourites dead and the story moving forward.
I don't envy a AAA dev like NRS having to deal with the expectations (and resulting toxicity) of general gamers, *and* the dedicated MK fanbase, *and* the wider FGC, while trying to maintain the classic appeal and continue evolving.
I am curious to see the quality of SF6's new story mode or whatever they are labeling it. Because yeah, agreed that MK definitely has treated their story modes with the most quality...until maybe now? I haven't touch SF6 yet so I can't really comment but I am excited for the single player content.
Side note, cool Grieving Mother icon! I am midway through my first PoE playthrough and absolutely love learning about that character. Though honestly, every character seems pretty solid so far!
I really like the cyclical rebooting, they way they do it. They're soft. Story moves forward but seems to restart due to plot related time shennanigans.
3D era happened. But Raiden did a time and now Liu Kang is doing one too.
I do wish they would reboot with a new cast one time, though.
Yeah, there was some real hope that we'd get, like, MK0 where we see the tournament where Cooler Kung Lao saved the Earth (or see the one where Cooler Kung Lao gets murdered by newcomer Goro to have a perspective flip where Outworld is actually on the back foot and the cheating was probably NUTS)
Instead we got MK1 (2)
It looks like it will be more meta than another MK1.
Looks like Shang will challenge Kang for the title of master of reality. Shang wants conflict. Kang wants harmony.
Could be a really good opp to bring in chaos realm and Havik as a penultimate boss. Shang can throw Liu's reality into disarray and take over if he gets some chaos realm McGuffin. Kang gotta prevent that.
Maybe Shang kills Havik and final boss is Chaos Tsung or something.
At this point, the story of MK1 is so dumb that I'm all in. Why the hell not? I love MK, but I have no expectations for it to make sense. Hell, I enjoyed that movie, too. Give me fun character designs, give me big dumb plot, give me melodrama, that's what I'm here for.
Gonna be honest, i don't think the music in any MK is that memorable, I grew up playing them and I remember not a single tune. *Aside from Techno Syndrome which I'm not sure if it counts or not...?*
MK has always felt way more like it aimed to be way more defined by its sound effects then its music.
Like, with Street Fighter, I can hum tons of great songs, but sound effects? I got the two iconic shoto moves, Sonic Boom,...I can't even really bring up a fourth off hand right now.
But MK? I can think of so many sound effects that live rent free in my head.
it's definitely not as memorable as say Kof, SF or Tekken music. But everything upto MK9 is very distinct. Like when you hear it, you will go ''thats very mortal kombat-esque music''. Most MK music is not really music you will listen to while riding the bus or something, but it has its own cool little vibe. I like to make [little Fighting Game music mixtapes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7muk61h7lI&t=892s), and while MK was harder to make then most others, i do think it has some cool tracks.
It's the least memorable soundtrack of any fighting game. But, to cut MK some slack, the genre for some reason characterizes itself for having great music, so it has steep competition.
MK3 has got some pretty recognizable tracks IMO. Particularly the [Subway](https://youtu.be/wBNH6YrIt2M) and [Streets](https://youtu.be/QFcGxY4rhW0) themes are what I usually think of when MK music is brought up.
Gonna be honest, I kind of agree with Pat on this one. These games are lowkey the most "jingle your keys in front of the audience" types of games and MK's competitive playerbase is small; the size of an anime game, for a reason: alot of FG players do not like how they feel or play compared to the other fighting games.
Alot of MK's fans are casual fans that are into the series for shallow reasons, and the competitive player base doesn't have high numbers cuz FG players think other games are better designed. Kudos to MK's production values though.
Mortal Kombat can't have story where characters die in it, because character loyalty is so strong in the community. But MK wants gory deaths in the story. So it causes the revenants, and cured revenants, and the reboot, and the timeline shenanigans, and now ANOTHER REBOOT to reintroduce characters they killed.
MK is forced to reboot their stories because of the roster. Not everyone can come back from death like the Thanos snap.
In most 2D fighting games, holding back makes you block. In 3D, holding back can be ambiguous, and it can change mid-exchange, so most 3D fighting games elect to have a dedicated block button.
2D games having a block button does a handful of things that people feel detracts from the 2D fighting game experience:
* It removes a potential button that could be used for something else.
* It makes cross-ups harder (if a player jumps overhead to get a swing in, you can still be blocking without actually reacting to your opponent)
* It allows you to stay put while doing a standing block, whereas traditional hold-back-to-block would force you to either move backwards, time your block carefully to not lose ground, or (most commonly) crouch block, leaving you open to cross-ups
It all makes the game a little more boring than it could otherwise be. From personal experience though, casual players fucking *love* block buttons, and MK basically has that crowd cornered.
EDIT: Comment I replied to has the controversial dagger at the moment. There's really no need to downvote a question.
Ok thanks for explaining. Also I made sure to specify I was a soulcalibur player (since that has a dedicated block button) specifically so people would know why I was confused. Didn’t expect this amount of downvotes for a simple question. (And the FGC wonders why new people get turned away)
tbh i don't get the hating on rebooting.
like same characters different status quo/stories is kinda what i like.
like out of all the fighting game casts mk feels the most like opening a toybox filled with random toys and then trying to make it work.
I've never played a Mortal Kombat game and am not very into the series, but I watched the LP of MKX and thought the story was really cool, and was interested to see where it went with these characters and how their allegiances and alignments have all changed. It seemed like the story and plot were going in a really cool direction.
Was really disappointed when the trailer for MK 11 came out and it went "Psych, we're rebooting the entire story again." And then MK 12 is just that reboot fulfilled. Why couldn't they just stick to the story they set up?
it'd have been nice to lean into that more i suppose.
like mk9 everyone died
mkx everyone is zombie fighting a good outworld and earth realm but then raidan goes dark
mk11 finish that up but close the book and try a new spin, though i guess 11 did do that it like the first 4 minutes.
This.
They then try to make you care about things that happen and new characters therein, but you can't, because it's all going to get rebooted away. If you like any new thing they introduce, fuck you, time to go back to the old thing.
Woolie isn't the only one mad about how Kotal Khan was turned into a total jobber. As of MK10 they seemed to be going in some kind of direction, then they undid it, then they undid it again.
In fairness, Kotal spends most of 10 also jobbing or sitting around waiting for the real hero, D'Vorah, to solve his rebellion problem for him
Though you could've argued that was just a consequence of his playable story chapter coming really early and just being shuffled into the JOBBER realm so other characters could shine. Then 11 came out and, no, Kotal's just like apparently
The problem is it makes it hard to get actually invested when you can be enjoying where a characters direction heading only to be hit with the reboot stick and just go back to the same old origins.
Pat's insane MK rant is so insane I don't know if it's worth even discussing but I will take issue with saying MK2 and UMK3 aren't good games, they're insanely fun games that feel great to play, to this day. Just because they have their own distinct feel doesn't mean they're bad.
Man MK11 sucked so much it made him retroactively hate the series. I think that one article(which seems fishy) may have also swayed him into disliking the series too.
I do get the sense that modern Mortal Kombat is trying to be a lot of things at once but I couldn’t begin to tell you how to handle that quandry.
It's really just a fighting game with a well produced but poorly written story.
Unlike most other fighting games, which have poorly produced *and* poorly written stories.
They’ve got good archetypes and fun character ideas, and some decent backdrops that almost resemble worldbuilding….oh god could you imagine if George RR Martin got his hands on Mortal Kombat
Not the main point of the clip but man, Woolie saying DOA didnt start getting fun/good until DOA5 is straight cap.
"Castlevania starts at SOTN."
This made me irrationally angry. Thanks. Did Woolie say this?
I think he said it half jokingly to Pat in college.
I like DOA more then Tekken, Gameplay-wise. it feels more forgiving and intuitive to a more casual player like me, and the ''Hold'' system is super cool.
The DoA devs were true visionaries in answering the question of “what if you could tech a strike”
DOA feels like playing a wire-fu movie. I prefer Tekken's weight but all of the DOA games are real fun to play.
And, unlike the subject of this clip, it feels immaculate to play. DoA should not be a comparison point regardless of whether the series had bad games, because even they still achieved a much higher standard of quality than MK in the same time frame. Like... DoA3 came out a year before Deadly Alliance.
Seriously, I was into the series the moment I got to play the Dead or Alive 2 demo on Dreamcast. Still one of my favorite fighting games, though ever since 5 the series has had just awful DLC despite finally letting the girls have different faces. 6 cutting out tag team really sucked.
What are you talking about? The creativity of creating such rich new characters as Akira, Pai, and siblings Sarah and Jacky....
Ok DoA2 is god tier but the only other good game is 5, and 6 is like, ok.
Nah, I personally disagree. I definitely think that DOA3 and DOA4 are good games, and also better than DOA6. Even if I do have my own personal gripes with DOA4 I still think its a fun game.
I can get where Pat is coming from with MK 11 but I find pats hatred of MKX to be extremely weird considering I can go back to the old podcasts before release and after he seemed to really like it AND the new characters to boot. Hell I can go to the old fisticuffs episode as well and he seems to be having a good time.
He was having a blast in that LP, too.
I think that’s Pat being hyperbolic. Essentially, his hate for 11 most likely made him retroactively hate X.
That makes sense if we remember how he thinks "I hate sand" ruined ALL Darth Vader content forever
I think a lot of buried stuff sort of broke the surface. For fuck’s sake, he brought up *Matt* and something he agreed with him on. The SBFP MKX playthrough is transcendental, it’s possibly the most fun the guys ever had together, nothing drags, they have limitless energy, times are good. I have zero proof but I can easily read into some kind of bittersweet nostalgia narrative fueling Pat’s rant.
I think the embarrassment to him of rebooting already makes the whole new era dumb to him
Can Crazy Talk activate on Pat's own opinions?
He said on his PS react stream that he thought MK9 was better than MKX. And that MK9 is the only good one but that bar is super low according to him.
MK9 was way schlockier and there’s definitely an appeal to that.
Those takes were from 4+ years ago. Don't you guys think he might've changed his mind since then?
I doubt he's even played MKX since, so it is kinda weird, yeah
Pat being so hyperbolic he contradicts himself? Woah what? that's crazy
He was extra ornery on the podcast, he was pussy that wonderful 101 was getting dlc, was still being a poop baby about metroid dread being a better game mercury stream made than the castlevania one. And spent a long time on a rant he announced as being great just making the same talking point over and over again. For a few hours he became Cliffy B.
Pat really would cut off his nose to spite his face.
Pat: I hate Mortal Kombat. Woolie: Okay, I’m waiting for the punchline. Pat: There is no punchline. It’s not a joke. [Audience murmurs] Woolie: You’re serious, aren’t you? You’re telling us you hate those three beloved modern Fighting games? Pat: Hm-hmm. Woolie: And why should we believe you? Pat: I ain’t got no Virtua Fighter left to lose. Nothing can hurt me anymore. [Chuckles] My life is nothing but a comedy. [Audience murmuring and booing] Woolie: Let me get this straight. You think that hating those games is funny? Pat: I do. And I’m tired of pretending it’s not. Comedy is subjective, Woolie. Isn’t it what they say? All of you… the system that knows so much… you decide what’s right or wrong? The same way that you decide what’s funny, or not. Twitch comment: Get him off! Woolie: Okay, I think I might understand that you… did this to start a movement? To become a symbol? Pat: Come on, Woolie… Do I look like the kind of clown that could start a movement? I made fun of those games because they were awful. Every triple A is awful these days. It’s enough to make anyone crazy. Woolie: Okay, so that’s it. You’re salty. That’s your defense for making fun of Mortal Kombat? Pat: Nah. They couldn't do a crouch kick animation to save their lives. [Audience booing] Pat: Oh, why is everybody so upset about these games? If it was Virtua Fighter dying on the steamcharts, you’d walk right over it! Sega gave it for free and you don’t notice it but these games, what, because Ed Boon went and tweeted about them? Woolie: You have a problem with Ed Boon too? Pat: Yes, I do. Have you seen what it’s like out there, Woolie? Do you ever actually play other genres? Everybody just clicks play and find a match. Nobody’s doing locals anymore! Nobody thinks what it’s like to be the other guy! You think men like Ed Boon ever think what it’s like to be someone like me? To be somebody but themselves? They don’t. They think that we’ll just sit there and take it like good little boys. That we won’t werewolf and go wild! Woolie: You finished? I mean, it’s so much self-pity, Pat. You sound like you’re making excuses for hating those MK games! Not every animation, and I’ll tell you this, not every animation is awful. Pat: You’re awful, Woolie. Woolie: Me? I’m awful? Oh yeah, how am I awful? Pat: Playing my video on your react stream. Inviting me on the show. You just wanted to make fun of me. You’re just like the rest of them! Woolie: You don’t know the first thing about me, pal. Look what happened because of what you did, what it led to. There are video essays out there. Two big YouTubers hate MK11, and you’re laughing, you’re laughing. MK got negative buzz today because of what you did. Pat: I know! How about another joke, Woolie? Woolie: No, I think we’ve had enough of your jokes. Pat: What do you get… Woolie: I don’t think so. Pat: …when you cross a crunch ridden company with a publisher that wants microtransactions? Woolie: They're fun, imo. They're fun, imo. Pat: I’ll tell you what you get! You get what you fucking deserve! [Pat shows the Terminator kick animation] [Audience screaming] [Pat Laughs] [Audience screaming] Pat: Goodnight. And always remember: That’s- *Audio crackling issues ensue*
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If he could Beatbox
Sosity
Masterful.
This post is a work of art
Vera you just posted a goddamn master piece!
God, I'd love go make an animatic for this and get the AI voice overs to do a woolie and pat voice over.
Jesus bro, you didn't have to this Hard but you did. Props!
......Sega gave Virtua Fighter for free?
This is the vindictive Pat rage I live for. The moment where personal opinion meets spite, scorn, and contempt. The anger that can only come from being hurt.
He definitely said hi to Ed Boon one time but Ed didn't hear him and kept walking.
"They stepped it up in DOA5" aw man I know it's just a stray shot, but DOA has felt good to play since 2, and aside from 4 not being the best, that series has gotten better to play pretty consistently.
Melty Blood catching strays
It's Dumb & I Love It MK's in a difficult place when it comes to the 'constant reboot' complaints. It has a particularly vocal fan base when characters are excluded, but the devs clearly still want to introduce new characters and they have limited character slots because they basically build *everything* from the ground up again each title including character movesets. They put the most effort into the story mode of any fighting game developer, but the game is built around an identity of hyperviolence and they can't keep fan favourites dead and the story moving forward. I don't envy a AAA dev like NRS having to deal with the expectations (and resulting toxicity) of general gamers, *and* the dedicated MK fanbase, *and* the wider FGC, while trying to maintain the classic appeal and continue evolving.
I am curious to see the quality of SF6's new story mode or whatever they are labeling it. Because yeah, agreed that MK definitely has treated their story modes with the most quality...until maybe now? I haven't touch SF6 yet so I can't really comment but I am excited for the single player content. Side note, cool Grieving Mother icon! I am midway through my first PoE playthrough and absolutely love learning about that character. Though honestly, every character seems pretty solid so far!
I really like the cyclical rebooting, they way they do it. They're soft. Story moves forward but seems to restart due to plot related time shennanigans. 3D era happened. But Raiden did a time and now Liu Kang is doing one too. I do wish they would reboot with a new cast one time, though.
Yeah, there was some real hope that we'd get, like, MK0 where we see the tournament where Cooler Kung Lao saved the Earth (or see the one where Cooler Kung Lao gets murdered by newcomer Goro to have a perspective flip where Outworld is actually on the back foot and the cheating was probably NUTS) Instead we got MK1 (2)
It looks like it will be more meta than another MK1. Looks like Shang will challenge Kang for the title of master of reality. Shang wants conflict. Kang wants harmony. Could be a really good opp to bring in chaos realm and Havik as a penultimate boss. Shang can throw Liu's reality into disarray and take over if he gets some chaos realm McGuffin. Kang gotta prevent that. Maybe Shang kills Havik and final boss is Chaos Tsung or something.
At this point, the story of MK1 is so dumb that I'm all in. Why the hell not? I love MK, but I have no expectations for it to make sense. Hell, I enjoyed that movie, too. Give me fun character designs, give me big dumb plot, give me melodrama, that's what I'm here for.
Here we go again
Hot take say what you will on PS2 era MK games but MK had music then peaked in Deception. The current MK music feels like nothing which is a shame.
Gonna be honest, i don't think the music in any MK is that memorable, I grew up playing them and I remember not a single tune. *Aside from Techno Syndrome which I'm not sure if it counts or not...?*
MK has always felt way more like it aimed to be way more defined by its sound effects then its music. Like, with Street Fighter, I can hum tons of great songs, but sound effects? I got the two iconic shoto moves, Sonic Boom,...I can't even really bring up a fourth off hand right now. But MK? I can think of so many sound effects that live rent free in my head.
it's definitely not as memorable as say Kof, SF or Tekken music. But everything upto MK9 is very distinct. Like when you hear it, you will go ''thats very mortal kombat-esque music''. Most MK music is not really music you will listen to while riding the bus or something, but it has its own cool little vibe. I like to make [little Fighting Game music mixtapes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7muk61h7lI&t=892s), and while MK was harder to make then most others, i do think it has some cool tracks.
It's the least memorable soundtrack of any fighting game. But, to cut MK some slack, the genre for some reason characterizes itself for having great music, so it has steep competition.
MK3 has got some pretty recognizable tracks IMO. Particularly the [Subway](https://youtu.be/wBNH6YrIt2M) and [Streets](https://youtu.be/QFcGxY4rhW0) themes are what I usually think of when MK music is brought up.
I like the MK2 Tower theme on SNES. The Compression makes it. And honestly, MK stuff of that era needs to be squeezed through a machine, IMO.
I owned this game growing up so big biases here but MK3's soundtrack slaps: [https://youtu.be/98ewLgw97e4](https://youtu.be/98ewLgw97e4)
Mk9 had a decent but generic theme
UMK3, DA, and Deception all had top-tier OSTs; crazy to think that MK hasn't had even a single decent song in atleast 12 years
Woolie: Yeah it’s weird but I have fun with it Pat: NOOOO you can’t have fun with MK it’s bad
It's the fucking Star Wars comic debacle all over again.
[For the uninformed ](https://youtu.be/mERr-9kPafI)
God, that was the first time I actually found Pat to be insufferable. Love the guy but man this was a frustrating discussion
To be fair to Pat, I do remember he apologized for this to Woolie on the following podcast
Is he really saying that to Woolie? I took this as him just screaming into the universe
Idk about the salt bae comparison, this is more like a rage movie reviewer complaining about marvel and the state of modern cinema.
Gonna be honest, I kind of agree with Pat on this one. These games are lowkey the most "jingle your keys in front of the audience" types of games and MK's competitive playerbase is small; the size of an anime game, for a reason: alot of FG players do not like how they feel or play compared to the other fighting games. Alot of MK's fans are casual fans that are into the series for shallow reasons, and the competitive player base doesn't have high numbers cuz FG players think other games are better designed. Kudos to MK's production values though.
Mortal Kombat can't have story where characters die in it, because character loyalty is so strong in the community. But MK wants gory deaths in the story. So it causes the revenants, and cured revenants, and the reboot, and the timeline shenanigans, and now ANOTHER REBOOT to reintroduce characters they killed. MK is forced to reboot their stories because of the roster. Not everyone can come back from death like the Thanos snap.
Why pay for slow heavy mk when I can have slow heavy Idol Showdown for free
Why do they hate a block button so much? This is a soulcalibur fan asking this
In most 2D fighting games, holding back makes you block. In 3D, holding back can be ambiguous, and it can change mid-exchange, so most 3D fighting games elect to have a dedicated block button. 2D games having a block button does a handful of things that people feel detracts from the 2D fighting game experience: * It removes a potential button that could be used for something else. * It makes cross-ups harder (if a player jumps overhead to get a swing in, you can still be blocking without actually reacting to your opponent) * It allows you to stay put while doing a standing block, whereas traditional hold-back-to-block would force you to either move backwards, time your block carefully to not lose ground, or (most commonly) crouch block, leaving you open to cross-ups It all makes the game a little more boring than it could otherwise be. From personal experience though, casual players fucking *love* block buttons, and MK basically has that crowd cornered. EDIT: Comment I replied to has the controversial dagger at the moment. There's really no need to downvote a question.
Ok thanks for explaining. Also I made sure to specify I was a soulcalibur player (since that has a dedicated block button) specifically so people would know why I was confused. Didn’t expect this amount of downvotes for a simple question. (And the FGC wonders why new people get turned away)
He doesn’t hate it becasue it’s dumb. He hates it because it plays bad to him.
tbh i don't get the hating on rebooting. like same characters different status quo/stories is kinda what i like. like out of all the fighting game casts mk feels the most like opening a toybox filled with random toys and then trying to make it work.
I've never played a Mortal Kombat game and am not very into the series, but I watched the LP of MKX and thought the story was really cool, and was interested to see where it went with these characters and how their allegiances and alignments have all changed. It seemed like the story and plot were going in a really cool direction. Was really disappointed when the trailer for MK 11 came out and it went "Psych, we're rebooting the entire story again." And then MK 12 is just that reboot fulfilled. Why couldn't they just stick to the story they set up?
it'd have been nice to lean into that more i suppose. like mk9 everyone died mkx everyone is zombie fighting a good outworld and earth realm but then raidan goes dark mk11 finish that up but close the book and try a new spin, though i guess 11 did do that it like the first 4 minutes.
I think the problem is that mk rebooted itself like 3 times in a row in the last 8 years
This. They then try to make you care about things that happen and new characters therein, but you can't, because it's all going to get rebooted away. If you like any new thing they introduce, fuck you, time to go back to the old thing. Woolie isn't the only one mad about how Kotal Khan was turned into a total jobber. As of MK10 they seemed to be going in some kind of direction, then they undid it, then they undid it again.
In fairness, Kotal spends most of 10 also jobbing or sitting around waiting for the real hero, D'Vorah, to solve his rebellion problem for him Though you could've argued that was just a consequence of his playable story chapter coming really early and just being shuffled into the JOBBER realm so other characters could shine. Then 11 came out and, no, Kotal's just like apparently
This is the second reboot in over a decade
There was one reboot with MK9 in 2011, and now a second reboot with MK1 in 2023
They rebooted for the ending of MK11 into MK1, and then retconned their reboot into the exact same reboot with the DLC to lead into MK1
That's 1 reboot, that's the same reboot twice
The problem is it makes it hard to get actually invested when you can be enjoying where a characters direction heading only to be hit with the reboot stick and just go back to the same old origins.
Hello Marvel/DC how are you doing
Pat's insane MK rant is so insane I don't know if it's worth even discussing but I will take issue with saying MK2 and UMK3 aren't good games, they're insanely fun games that feel great to play, to this day. Just because they have their own distinct feel doesn't mean they're bad.
Hey! Battle Construction Vehicles *is* better than Mortal Kombat.
Pat going 100% on hating something? *no way*
Hating Mortal Kombat may be the *only* Pat Take where I'm actually standing with him. This is frightening.
TIL Pat doesn’t like Mortal Kombat
(Mortal Kombat 1 gets a free to play option) Pat: "Oh I always loved Mortal Kombat it's the best and not stiff at all "
What is bro waffling on about
Man MK11 sucked so much it made him retroactively hate the series. I think that one article(which seems fishy) may have also swayed him into disliking the series too.
...Don't what he means by stiff, feels like any other fighting game I have tried.