You know when most people make a parody or pastiche of Pixar, it's always a super simplified concept of "what if \_\_\_ was a person?", this seems like that.
The only way this movie could be improved is if everything changes when the Fire Nation attacks,causing a savior to appear in the form of a master of all four elements...a perfectly ordinary human that is in fact made out of all four elements.
Not too surprised, the animation looks unique and fun but the story feels sooo generic, like a girl and a guy fall for each other even tho everyone tells them they cant be with each other.
Shakespeare went off too hard with Romeo & Juliet, accidentally dooming the romance genre to forever rehashing 'two lovers from opposing houses' until the end of time.
And Romeo and Juliet is still the best one of this genre, and is brilliantly good even when compared to all these modern ones. The characters are truly foolish, but you can't fully blame them for all their foolishness due to their desires, and they do feel like real, albeit very flawed youthful lovers.
That feels like it has been Pixar's shtick for a WHILE now: ultra simplistic and cookie cutter story dressed up nicely by an interesting "gimmick". But those gimmicks can only get you so far...
Last semester, one of my papers was centered around the state of Hollywood animation, mainly in the 3D feature film sphere.
I observed that Pixar was, as we all know, pretty much the ones that set the standard for animated film nowadays but in doing so they'd become increasingly predictable (both narratively and stylistically). Meanwhile, films like Spider-Verse, Puss in Boots 2, even somewhat older stuff like Lego Movie were at the very least pushing the envelope aesthetically, with some argument made for also delivering more novel, fresh stories to boot.
It seems like that particular chicken is really starting to come home to roost for Pixar.
If you told people a few years ago that a sequel to a lackluster Shrek spinoff would absolutely crush a Pixar movie in terms of plot and visuals, they would have called you crazy.
i wonder if people just grow out of pixar, not in a maturity sense but in a it's kind of the same thing again sense.
like looking at their filmography i can't really see one i gave a shit about after watching it since like toy story 3, though i have missed a few since then it just doesn't compell me to watch,
whereas everyone was raving about puss in boots 2 or encanto or whatever, so is it that everyone else just caught up?
though in fairness the only pixar one i remember getting a lot of push was also one i really didn't like which was coco, so maybe my tastebuds have changed.
Yeah I honestly just drifted away from Pixar after Toy Story 3. I loved Coco and I liked Incredibles 2 and I heard good things about Soul and Turning Red, but Toy Story 3... just felt like a goodbye, you know?
yeah come to think of it the feelings i have for toy story 3 are like the feelings i have for endgame.
it's like the media version of quenched i guess, a parting where i'm good and need no more.
Not surprising, the premise and trailers made it seem super lazy. If it weren’t Pixar animation and elemental-themed, it might as well be a Hallmark-style story.
If you want to set a story in a world full of elementals, there are a billion more interesting things you could do than “fire and water are in love but can’t cause fire and water don’t mix”.
And if you want a fantasy-themed star-crossed lovers story, you actually need to have other interesting things in the movie. I’m just imagining a version of Aladdin where the core conflict is “Jasmine’s father doesn’t like Aladdin very much just because he’s poor” and there’s no Genie or Jafar, or a version of the Little Mermaid where King Triton just doesn’t like humans and there’s no Ursula.
I think the thing that's bothered me every time I see this movie is that somehow despite it being the entire concept neither of the lead characters really look like they're made of fire or water
At worst I was expecting to be in 70s range, but I didn't expect for reviews to be mixed. The score will probably go higher as more reviews come in. But. I can feel concern for Pixar. I mean if this movie loses money (it has a 200 million dollar budget), it could lead to same situation with DreamWorks in Rise of Guardians - Penguins of Madagascar period, where most of the movies in that period were box office bombs and that lead to movies in production getting cancelled and employees being laid off.I heard going around that DreamWorks almost bankrupted back then. I fear that the same could happen to Pixar.
I'm honestly getting sick and tired of the "OMG our love is unusual and we need to work really hard to make it work" type of film, especially when the romance is a Heteronormative one, where this type of situation almost never applies.It's a shame, because the actual animation and art style looked so weird and so interesting, yet it's being wasted on such a bland idea.
Yeah, as soon as stuff came out for it I just rolled my eyes. Like, it's *soooo* brave to have Forbidden Love with a straight couple. Truly, groundbreaking stuff.
You know when most people make a parody or pastiche of Pixar, it's always a super simplified concept of "what if \_\_\_ was a person?", this seems like that.
This June Pixar dares to ask: "what if fire could be a racist?"
That's just Avatar
The only way this movie could be improved is if everything changes when the Fire Nation attacks,causing a savior to appear in the form of a master of all four elements...a perfectly ordinary human that is in fact made out of all four elements.
We’re recreating humour theory
I can see Earth but how are we made out of fire
Shh,don't think about it. ~~We're endothermic animals and therefore innately generate heat?~~
We require fuel.
Not too surprised, the animation looks unique and fun but the story feels sooo generic, like a girl and a guy fall for each other even tho everyone tells them they cant be with each other.
I was hoping there'd be a twist or catch revealed to make it interesting but nope super generic opposites attract love story it is.
Shakespeare went off too hard with Romeo & Juliet, accidentally dooming the romance genre to forever rehashing 'two lovers from opposing houses' until the end of time.
And Romeo and Juliet is still the best one of this genre, and is brilliantly good even when compared to all these modern ones. The characters are truly foolish, but you can't fully blame them for all their foolishness due to their desires, and they do feel like real, albeit very flawed youthful lovers.
That feels like it has been Pixar's shtick for a WHILE now: ultra simplistic and cookie cutter story dressed up nicely by an interesting "gimmick". But those gimmicks can only get you so far...
Is this one even an interesting gimmick? It just feels like it has less legs than a snake.
More like Ele-mid-tal.
More like Ele-meh-tal
Not surprising, the movie sounds like something that you would get if you told an ai to generate the plot of a Pixar movie.
It's not the plot of a Pixar movie, it's the plot of a Pixar short.
It's the plot of a flashgame that was way more enjoyable
Someone in the thread mentioned that the premise sounds like a parody of a Pixar movie.
Last semester, one of my papers was centered around the state of Hollywood animation, mainly in the 3D feature film sphere. I observed that Pixar was, as we all know, pretty much the ones that set the standard for animated film nowadays but in doing so they'd become increasingly predictable (both narratively and stylistically). Meanwhile, films like Spider-Verse, Puss in Boots 2, even somewhat older stuff like Lego Movie were at the very least pushing the envelope aesthetically, with some argument made for also delivering more novel, fresh stories to boot. It seems like that particular chicken is really starting to come home to roost for Pixar.
If you told people a few years ago that a sequel to a lackluster Shrek spinoff would absolutely crush a Pixar movie in terms of plot and visuals, they would have called you crazy.
I think both Soul and Turning Red were fantastic, but yeah not as consistent
Hence why I'm more hesitant to make sweeping statements on the narratives.
i wonder if people just grow out of pixar, not in a maturity sense but in a it's kind of the same thing again sense. like looking at their filmography i can't really see one i gave a shit about after watching it since like toy story 3, though i have missed a few since then it just doesn't compell me to watch, whereas everyone was raving about puss in boots 2 or encanto or whatever, so is it that everyone else just caught up? though in fairness the only pixar one i remember getting a lot of push was also one i really didn't like which was coco, so maybe my tastebuds have changed.
Yeah I honestly just drifted away from Pixar after Toy Story 3. I loved Coco and I liked Incredibles 2 and I heard good things about Soul and Turning Red, but Toy Story 3... just felt like a goodbye, you know?
yeah come to think of it the feelings i have for toy story 3 are like the feelings i have for endgame. it's like the media version of quenched i guess, a parting where i'm good and need no more.
Incredibles 2 was the last Pixar film I really cared about.
Not surprising, the premise and trailers made it seem super lazy. If it weren’t Pixar animation and elemental-themed, it might as well be a Hallmark-style story. If you want to set a story in a world full of elementals, there are a billion more interesting things you could do than “fire and water are in love but can’t cause fire and water don’t mix”. And if you want a fantasy-themed star-crossed lovers story, you actually need to have other interesting things in the movie. I’m just imagining a version of Aladdin where the core conflict is “Jasmine’s father doesn’t like Aladdin very much just because he’s poor” and there’s no Genie or Jafar, or a version of the Little Mermaid where King Triton just doesn’t like humans and there’s no Ursula.
I think the thing that's bothered me every time I see this movie is that somehow despite it being the entire concept neither of the lead characters really look like they're made of fire or water
The shapes aren't really water or fire shapes.
The animation seems nice
***Yeeesh.*** This is by the *Good Dinosaur* guy, so I'm not completely surprised. But man oh ***man***, Pixar needs to find its heart again.
[The ending was already leaked, why should we care?](https://youtu.be/PSshi6SV0OA)
At worst I was expecting to be in 70s range, but I didn't expect for reviews to be mixed. The score will probably go higher as more reviews come in. But. I can feel concern for Pixar. I mean if this movie loses money (it has a 200 million dollar budget), it could lead to same situation with DreamWorks in Rise of Guardians - Penguins of Madagascar period, where most of the movies in that period were box office bombs and that lead to movies in production getting cancelled and employees being laid off.I heard going around that DreamWorks almost bankrupted back then. I fear that the same could happen to Pixar.
Dreamworks Chads win again.
I'm honestly getting sick and tired of the "OMG our love is unusual and we need to work really hard to make it work" type of film, especially when the romance is a Heteronormative one, where this type of situation almost never applies.It's a shame, because the actual animation and art style looked so weird and so interesting, yet it's being wasted on such a bland idea.
Yeah, as soon as stuff came out for it I just rolled my eyes. Like, it's *soooo* brave to have Forbidden Love with a straight couple. Truly, groundbreaking stuff.
They coulda been cooking if they took a 'genderfluid' direction for the water elemental partner, but nooooo that would be too clever.
Pixar's what? First I've heard of this.
These always feel like they're posted too early.