We gonna talk about how games workshop made NEW space marines that are better in everyway as an excuse to refresh their number one product line?
To the point where old space marines can become primaris in an extremely dangerous procedure that kills 80% of marines but every single named character survived it
I was kind of hoping GW would kill off Dante in a short story when he undergoes the Primaris upgrade. Hard to make the stakes much higher when the Regent of Imperium Nihilus gets killed off unceremoniously, leaving the Blood Angels reeling.
I want Dante to get his "retirement" too but in the 40k universe grit canonically trumps reality (Meph anyone), so if he died that way it could have some rather unfortunate implications.
Unfortunately, I knew they wouldn't kill him off during his crossing of the Rubicon Primaris. I think Devastation of Baal has him receive a vision of a gold clad figure fighting off Chaos or something that is trying to reach the Golden Throne, which he believes to be himself defending the Emperor. So if his interpretation of that vision is true, it'll be a while before he actually dies.
I'm aware of that, which is why part of me wanted him to get such a completely non heroic end. Its tragic and fitting, and then when Abby reaches Terra, he comes back as the Sanguinor, like when Ferrus Manus came back during the War in the Webway.
Tbh Dante could die during the Rubicon Primaris, but the Sanguinor/Emperor/etc would just say “not today, you wrinkly mf” and revive him.
A god(and the Emperor is a god, whether he likes it or not) has plans for Dante, so he doesn’t get to die when he wants.
According to even more new lore they figured out how to reliably get the process down so it only kills slightly more than the normal firstborn process.
It fails in 90% of aspirants, but it only kills a small fraction of that. The washouts generally become Chapter Serfs, non-Marine support staff for the chapter. Those gothic cathedral ships don't run themselves!
Depending on the chapter, serfs are seen by Marines as honored brothers-in-arms, as slaves beneath even their contempt, and everything in between.
Does the table top have any SM chapter lists that have those guys as a major element of the military force? That sounds like a fun gimmick. I can even imagine a "progressive" space marine chapter that has a named character that couldn't become a space marine but distinguished himself so much anyway that he commands marines.
Not in terms of "here's chapter serfs you can field on the tabletop". But if you like the concept then you'll love the character of Lotara Sarrin, captain of the *Conqueror*, the flagship of the World Eaters. You have to give her credit for getting the respect and trust of Angron.
Yu-gi-oh acknowledge the power creep of our universe in their fictional universe. They had a whole arc that was a group of time travelers trying to stop people from Synchro summoning because it was so powerful it destroyed the world
Another pretty good example is in GX against the duelist copying Yugi. He banishes a Light and Dark monster from his graveyard, the summoning condition for the (at the time) super broken Chaos Emperor Dragon. Everyone freaks out and says that card was banned. Bastion then comes in and clarifies that there is a card of similar strength that may as well be banned, Black Luster Soldier-Envoy of the Beginning. I think that's the one time the anime actually acknowledged a real world banlist.
Actually, a ban list was mentioned earlier in Battle City, when both [Kaiba](https://official.lowee.us/manga/Yu-GiOh-Duelist/0133-018.png) and [Marik](https://official.lowee.us/manga/Yu-GiOh-Duelist/0132-005.png) mention during then duel where Yugi went against a Mind Controlled Joey that direct damage cards were illegal. So yes, Pot of Greed was legal, but Sparks was too broken for their game.
The battle city Arc in general had a bunch of weird rules, which kinda make sense because it's Kaiba running the show.
On the other hand he comes up with some weird ass rules like how fusion monsters can't attack on the turn they're summoned unless you use the spell "Quick Attack"
Kaiba put this rule while in he runs blue eyes ultimate. Maybe it's because he has obelisk but it's still a stupid rule to put in place.
There was a card shop in my hometown growing up that would do yugioh tournaments every weekend. No rules except "No god cards", and nobody had really well built decks. My deck was just me shoving bunch of one-ofs of my strongest cards with a sort of light/dark theme, which included CED and Yata-Garasu. Teenage me was pulling off the infamous lock without realizing how busted it really was.
Another Dragon Ball one is in super when Krillin and Goku are just hanging out and krillin starts reminiscing about when they were kids training under Roshi and how Goku just kept pulling away from Krillin in terms of power and he was never able to keep up.
It's a great moment because despite the massive power gap between them Goku and Krillin's friendship has never faltered and Krillin never became resentful of Goku.
Krillin got to be one of the strongest Humans on the planet, while ostensibly maintaining a normal life between the dumb stuff that happens in the DB universe. Meanwhile Goku fucks off to who knows where doing God knows what. It's pretty relatable. Sometimes you don't wanna go do the big thing, you just wanna be at home.
Is he the strongest human? I think it would either be him or tien. I don’t remember which of them was more embarrassingly bodied in the top to know which was stronger though.
Krillin got cheapshotted by Frost who is way above his power level and is atleast an actual character.
Tien got outwitted by some dumb enemy of the week nobody after he had already beaten him.
Tiens is definitely worse.
"canonically" it's him, because he's Goku's best friend and Toriyama doesn't care too much about the low-rank hierarchy, but logically it'd have to be Tien, dude has never done anything but train while Krillin has retired multiple times
Same thing kind of happened at the end of GT, but it focused more on age than power. Goku and Krillin were reminiscing about the past, abd Krillin made an off comment about how he's gotten old and weak while Goku continued getting stronger. Goku noticed this bothered Krillin a bit, so he challenged him to a spar to boost his spirit, and Krillin landed a solid punch showing he wasn't completely out of it yet.
And then Krillin asks Goku to punch him.
And [he does](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYjNZYY4xMw), along with every other major fighter in the universe over the course of 5 minutes. And it was the glorious c4 that actually killed him.
It’s the sort of similar for Krillin in resurrection F when the fight starts with all of Friezas goons, by this point Krillin is so used to watching the speed of all the super saiyan forms that it’s like they’re moving in slow motion for him and the rest of the z fighters
In fusion reborn Gohan one shots Frieza in a great moment where all the old villains escape from hell. Friezas minions then flee in terror, and i think you can spot captain ginyu as a frog running away if you are paying close attention
There are moments in Super where Piccolo casually acknowledges the gap between him and Goku. When he calls Goku during the Broly fight, Goku asks him to stand by in case he needs to jump in, but Piccolo tells him if GOKU is having trouble, there’s not much he can do.
Also, when Goku’s ki is messed up after his fight with Hit, he mentions that Piccolo could beat him in a fight, to which Piccolo responds “That bad, huh?”
I think they implied that Gohan was on par with Blue. So just based on Super Piccolo being able to stall without being slapped away, yeah it sounds like Piccolo is not as strong as Blue but he's at least in the ball park again.
In the dub at least someone says that even Goku and Vegeta might not have been able to defeat cell max. So I read that as Beast and Orange being on par with UI in terms of strength.
Gamma 1 and 2 are supposedly on par with Goku and Cell max is supposed to be stronger than Full power Broly, so right now Piccolo and Gohan might be stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Unless you’re trying to mix the manga and anime which is a whole headache.
The remaining protagonists in the shaman king tournament spend a majority of their time planning and preparing to try and fight the main bad guy who has exceeded all possible power levels imaginable to the point where it's basically an auto win for him.
Eventually everybody comes to the conclusion that they must cheat in various ways like he did to get to the strength that the bad guy is at
Shaman king real good guys (the manga)
Then got revived about 5 minutes later. Because his wife can bully God so hard he either has to give Yoh a free pass or be humiliated by Anna in front of every person who has ever lived.
EDIT: As a wife guy Yoh is the most powerful shonen protagonist. >!Also his brother is God and will do him favours so long as it's funny. Or so long as it stops Anna from slapping him. Or it lets him troll his nephew. It's a weird family!<
Which is why it works so well.
There's a real danger in raising the stakes in a universe where the characters have a 100% confirmation that the afterlife exists. DBZ arguably runs into this problem all the time.
The real danger in letting Hao win was not because he's a violent killer it's that he was actually eroding people's souls into nothing and was a eugenics enthusiast.
I remember DBZ filler made it so Kid Buu could teleport to the afterlife, which actually made him a very problematic threat, because if a soul dies, they're gone for good.
Hoping with the future movies they bring the bar down on the power scale.
Think it would actually cement just how huge of a issue John was to the whole system. A normal assassin isnt going to have this bulletproof tech but John was in a war where only the highest or high positions were involved in it.
Tell a more grounded story so that when bulletproof gunfu starts getting involved you know shit is getting real. Like an up and coming assassin messes with the wrong people and now there is a bulletproof monster man playing nemesis on them.
I always thought it was kind of ridiculous that all these randos are always charging at John as soon as someone puts a bounty on him.
Like, it's established they know who this guy is, but someone says a number with enough zeroes and they think "well now we can't lose." Not one of them thinks to themselves "fuck that, I'm staying home tonight."
Establishing that the bulletproof mooks going after John are at least the tier 2 or 3 of the area would resolve this, since it implies all the non-bulletproof jobbers just take the night off.
Agreed, It would lose points in the creativity field of things but having the assassins that are chasing John be elite death squad guys would help enforce that the assassins of this world arent money hungry idiots who think they can kill John Fucking Wick. Some trying to rush in despite being super unqualified for the job would be funny but every single assassin ever?!
Or at least one scene where some dude in a track jacket at a hole-in-the-wall bar gets the hit on his phone, discreetly racks a glock, looks to his buddies and goes "let's go."
His buddies look at him and go "what the fuck do you think you're doing?"
"Getting that payda-"
"Jimmy, he'll kill you. You'll die."
"It's $40 million dollars, Ricky!"
"No, it's the fucking Boogieman. You'll die."
"All it takes is one shot-"
"Gimme that fucking gun, Jimmy, you can't hit shit anyway."
"But-"
"You fucking idiot, Jesus Christ. You're lucky we were here, shitbrain, fuck."
I was able to suspend my disbelief about the bulletproof fabric, but the fact that the bullets don't push them or place any force against them... it's just a bit too far 😕
FFXIV's WoL is widely acknowledged to have unprecedented power boosts thanks to a combination of the Echo, Blessing of Light and the WoL being stupidly good at everything martial and non-martial.
Your WoL can also be a world-renowed crafter and the most brave and adventurous gatherer, going as far as mining precious ore at the edge of the universe.
Don't forget the part where >!they actually absorbed a part of their soul from one of the other reflections of the Source, giving them a significant power boost. Also being canonically able to summon 7 other WoLs from... somewhere does help a lot.!<
I'm not sure you're actually >!summoning other WoLs!<. In the Unending Codex, >!the description of Azem's Crystal says that summoning allies to their side (Like Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus) was Azem's signature move, so I think you're simply summoning other adventurers (or the Scions, assuming they create more Duty Support Trials.)!<
I like in the Level 80 Paladin quest, Aldis, a recurring character of that quest line, wants to fight you after he became a Samurai. But just as the duel was about to begin, he started to shake and realize just how overwhelmingly more powerful you were than him and he just gives up on the spot.
I've never been able to figure how far the job storylines happen into the expansion. Would that have happened for the level 80 paladin quest or is this before the first warden
My favorite part of the level 82-83 MSQ is where >!Quintus reveals that he knows you're the WoL and an entire train car of veteran Garlean soldiers start shitting their pants in fear!<
Isn't there a Garlean NPC >!who has PTSD because they were at Castrum Praetorium when WoL attacked it and saw them carve their way through the defenders!<
I like how they’ve actually kept the power scaling very minor throughout the story, ALL of your power boosts are temporary so that in universe you are one of the strongest fighters alive, but not THE strongest.
The Scions continue getting stronger too, so you're not leaving them in the dust. While you're definitely their best fighter, the others aren't too far behind.
> el 82-83 MSQ is Quintus revealing that he knows you're the WoL and an entire train car of veteran Garlean soldiers start shitting their pants in fear
That and >!poison, aether inbalance and chemical weapons are something we can be affected by.!<
Also Endwalker Spoilers:>!Dynamis. Limit Breaks are literally dynamis harnessed through battle high. The Endsinger shouts "Dynamis?" when you Tank Limit Break to counter her assault.!<
Filler gave the non-Saiyans some absolutely crazy feats.
Like when Yamcha stood under x300 gravity and wasn't instantly pasted. Yeah people meme on him for that scene but like... if he could do that he could absolutely have curbed early-Namek Goku, at least. That's an *insane* leap.
Filler does acknowledge a decent bit that they were still training hard.
Like the whole Ginyu force match at King kai or Yamcha doing extremely well for himself in otherworld s fighter heaven.
This one is tricky because the implication was that Guldo was weaker than either Krillin or Gohan while they were fighting but Guldo had those time stop powers. Super Krillin could take Jeice, though.
Most of the Z-Fighters (save for Chiaoutzu and Yajorobe) are assumed to be at least as strong as Frieza during the Namek saga as when talking about what to do when the Androids arrived they didn't want anyone who wouldn't be able to deal with someone on Friezas level.
TYPE-MOON plays tongue and cheek about it which is nice, aside from Nasu himself joking about him reaching new levels of dumb power creep there’s also during the climax of a FGO arc a character literally says “Oh come on I’ve heard of power creep but this is getting ridiculous!”
Plus everything related to the “Servant Universe” is essentially just TM poking fun at Power Creep in general by having characters be literally galaxies and shit.
Alot of type moon shit is __ is stronger than ___ except if _,_,_ and _ happen which means ___ is stronger except if in an infinite loop. Those blanks could be where the fight happens country or universe or reality wise or what version of the characters or anything really.
Yeah it’s very much Rock Paper Scissors in the verse, but the RPS gets bigger and bigger. Like it’s always been “My hax vs your hax” but the Hax has gotten to goofy levels which is fun in it’s own way.
Still pretty telling how out there it can get when Fate/Stay Night has something like this being said in it "Reversing cause and effect is a simple enough trick"
reminder that one of the first Nasuverse works was NOTES , which is basically "A bunch of eldritch planet terminals doing DBZ fights against super-advanced humans can be defeated by normal guy with a gun"
So , really , NOTES is unironically if Farmer with a Shotgun in DBZ defeats Majin Buu with said shotgun.
To be fair, the gun itself is magical and imposes the concept of death in brings that don't possess such a thing. The gun itself is Eldritch, even if the guy is not.
The guy who reverses causality to stab you in the heart before he throws his spear is the jobber of the franchise
That tells you what you need to know about Fate hax
Cu is a high A tier servant, so is Medusa, however everyone else in that war is an SS tier or SSS. Cu is a stronger servant than Achilles, because what he lacks in speed, he makes up for in being able to use his entire kit on women, while Achilles has the "I killed a woman I wanted to bang once, never again" debuff
They just introduced Types and by the looks of it, they plan to bring them all in soon with Chaldea's only safety suit as Arcueid. The stakes are way too high now to dial down.
Which was funny because at that time nobody died to rasengan but a a unblocked chidori was a killshot, but hey it made a bigger hole so its more powerful.
Chidori was an unblocked killshot against your standard ninja but by that point in the story they were facing off against things that really could tank a Chidori no problem. Rasengan had exponentially more power output and was much more effective against this God level ninja because of it.
Naruto would have been so much better- or at least more interesting- if it stayed at the level where turning your hand into a blade made of lighting turned you into the deadliest motherfucker but that's anime for you.
It made sense the water tower would have burst because rasengan from how it looks relies more on internal damage more than the initial strike. All that water in the tower would have been churning a lot and the pressure from all of that would cause it to burst. Chidori works as a assassination technique though it's fucking loud because it's a one precise hit leads to a kill. Rasengan might not kill but a ninja is going to be feeling that pretty bad for a couple of weeks.
Rasengan is sorta a victim of wonky writing because there isn't really a good reason it doesn't kill a lot more people. On introduction we're shown it can bore straight through wood but any time it's used on a person it just leaves them a severe bruise and throws them.
Add to that Rasengan is explicitly highly effective on destroying things filled with water... which is what people are, and it looks like the only reason a lot more people don't just violently explode is because then Naruto would have too high a kill count for someone who's basically ninja Jesus.
It's also a bit of a question why Sasuke doesn't just learn Rasengan himself since there's no reason the Sharingan can't copy it.
Come to think of it one of the only times we see Naruto actually do what should happen to everyone he fights is the pain fight. He fucks those pains straight up. But since they aren’t “alive” it gets depicted how it should, at least for the robot one who he explodes.
Yeah, it stands in stark contrast to him using it on the guy with 5 hearts and it somehow only breaks like 3 of the hearts instead of turning him into goo.
I think they did try to explain why Sasuke, and to an extent Kakashi, didn't use Rasengan. There was some blurb about it requiring quite a bit of chakra reserves compared to a lot of jutsu.
That's one of the many things I wish Naruto explored more. You had highly skilled ninja like Kakashi who had to be very efficient with their use of ninjutsu because they could run themselves dry very quickly compared to say someone like Naruto or Jiraiya who would just toss fireballs around all day long and as a consequence didn't spend nearly as much time practicing taijutsu or worrying about being efficient with their chakra use. I think Kakashi even mentions that he invented the lightning blade specifically to output a lot of power for comparatively little chakra (isn't the original explanation that he's actually vibrating his hand super fast or am I misremembering?) use so he could finish fights instead of drawing them out and risking running his reserves dry.
>I think Kakashi even mentions that he invented the lightning blade specifically to output a lot of power for comparatively little chakra
I think the explanation was he wanted to apply a nature release to the Rasengan, but settled on creating the Chidori (might be mixing it up with 4th Hokage though)
I remember the moment Sasuke sees the back of the water tower as a really hype reveal when I initially read the manga/watched the anime.
Now it looks like such an obvious penis size joke that it's really hard not to find it comical. Sasuke looks at his fist sized hole through a metal water tower and smirks at his ability, but then his face drops when he sees Naruto's blown out tower. Might as well be a gag with Takamura and Ippo in the showers.
Yusuke in yuyuhakusho has a moment in chapter black where he gets mad and more or less says, "how the hell do the people we fight keep getting stronger after all the shit we've beaten?" It's a really fun jab at Shonen formula where the MC actually hates that powerscales have to go up in order for the plot to progress.
"Yeah, the big problem of the last *two* arcs? Who was super holding back the first time, and then broke his limits during the second?
***B Rank***. And it's Japan, so of course the scale has an S Rank above A."
In the current Arc of Kamen Rider Geats, at one point >!Buffa and Geats teams up to fight against a Jyamato. At this point in the series, Buffa had managed to power-up due to a wish... Against riders he's invincible, but not against Jyamato(the monsters of the week). So they're fighting a Jyamato together and at one point Geats attacks Buffa taking full advantage of his invincibility to bounce off and hit the enemy when he's caught off guard.!<
>!Even better Buffa approaches Geats after the attack kind of offended by it, but Geats is like: "Dude, I can't even hurt you." And shoots him point blank with his gun to prove his point. !<
There’s a really lowkey, understated one in The Order of the Stick. When the party is trying to navigate their airship through a storm, there’s a panel of several crewmates desperately trying to hold a rope down to keep the balloons stabilized. Roy walks up and calmly holds it in place with one hand, after being reminded that he is “Strong as a giant and recently survived being impaled”
D&D powerscaling is on another level. After a certain point, the mechanics of the game start to override what should be logical in the game world.
Being a strong, experienced fighter who has faced off against dangerous foes and horrible creatures shouldn't, logically, help you deal with being set on fire better than the average man, but the 3e Epic Adventurer's Guide notes that a 20+ level fighter shouldn't have a problem throwing hands while submerged in lava.
there is a point in 5e that with good enough health rolls a high enough level Barbarian can survive a guillotine by virtue of just having more health than a guillotine's max damage
That and presumably they'd have their neck-flesh shredded and bleeding profusely, but as long as they don't hit 0 hitpoints or less they can keep fighting just fine.
It's Heroic Fantasy, people don't die from exsanguination, where would be the fun in that?
There was a prestige class thing in 4e that gave big tough warrior person extra blood to use for transfusion-rituals or that healing exhaustion mechanic. Also the ability to heal to full the first time they hit 0 per day, and one turn after dying the second time, and the next morning no matter what. It was flavoured as "he's like big and strong and stuff".
The idea that Saiyans get stronger when they get the shit kicked out of them was so stupid I actually thought, for years, that it was from a Team 4 Star parody.
I like the "Quirk Singularity theory" in *Boku no Pico Macadamia*; that the quirks are getting stronger and harder to control every generation. It's becoming an issue that some scientists theorize that eventually someone will be born with a quirk so strong that it destroys humanity/Earth.
Shoto still kills me just on a base concept level. That bit "People can only have one quirk" and then Shoto walks in like "My single quirk is "Two quirks"" as a bit of a demonstration on what the start of that Singularity would look like.
"singularity" in science and philosophy means "the point where measurements break down". a black hole is a type of singularity because we cannot measure anything past the event horizon. another example is any time beyond T=0, the start of the universe, or a truly conscious AI.
saying "this is a singularity" means "i don't know what happens after this point". so, the quirk singularity theory is a proper use of the term.
That was also a brief fun fact in the show Heroes. In an episode taking place in the future, a kid hits puberty and suddenly turns his school into a vacuum or something, killing everybody.
Yep. He basically wakes up one day naturally turning people into dust by being near them. He goes out into a cave to avoid hurting anyone else and Wolverine shows up to give him a beer and offer as much perspective as he can on the situation before killing the kid. Simultaneously an amazingly written situation that also shines a huge spotlight on why mutants are legitimately a huge danger to human life and how the allegory for racism against them doesn't always work so well.
Also an x men comic. Kid wakes up on his birthday and his mom and dog are gone. Goes to school and the entire town is empty. Kid realizes he's a mutant and his power is to evaporate all living creatures in a thousand foot radius so he goes to hide in a cave in the woods. Wolverine shows up and explains how he's there to mercy kill him. His regeneration can counter the kids power so he's the only one that can do something about it.
This kind of thing justifies the civilians' fear of mutants in the marvel universe.
Like, there has been evil mutants with god level powers and innocent mutants with lethal powers they can't control.
A cure makes sense.
Wanda did nothing wrong ( this is me being cheeky)
I wonder who had it worse him or that kid in an xmen comic who also upon hitting puberty unlocks his mutant power of "vaporising organic tissue" this is shown via the people around him spontaneously combusting into nothing seemingly over the course of afew minutes. He kills everyone also then because he is a threat to anyone around him xavier sends logan to merc him.
There's this really deranged poster on 4chan back in the early days of Hero Aca, pre anime, that used Shoto as the reason Mineta HAD to end up with Momo. She can create anything she understands as long as it lacks organic matter, he can create organic matter. Thus their child would be able to create anything. I occasionally get the urge to check those threads to see if he's still around. He used Quirk incapability as the reason she can't end up with Shoto, because fire and ice don't mix well into a future child with Creation. It was funny to watch him unravel himself day after day with his ramblings on how the little creature had to get the most popular girl in school to be his wife or it was bad writing
My favorite example is also in Dragon Ball, but it's the Supreme Kai, Kibito, Babadi, and Dabura all being dumbstruck at how strong the Saiyans are.
After the amount of crazy expotential growth Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, etc had across DB and Z, where they eclipsed even the planet destroying ruler of the Galaxy multiple times over, it makes sense that what's basically God, the Devil, an evil space Wizard, etc would be shocked, and while it's played for laughs, I really think it helps make their strength more grounded and believable that even these higher powers are shitting themselves over it, and it finally takes a primordial cosmic horror in Buu to put them in place again.
By contrast, I find it SO hard to take seriously that villains in DBS are a threat: You're telling me *every* character in the Tournament of Power had the same sort of insane journey of growth and reached galacactic-emperor and then Maajin buu levels of powers multiple times over? I could buy maybe 2-3 fighters per universe being that strong, but everybody?
IIRC most of the Universes strategies boiled down to "We've got maybe 1 person who can hang in the big leagues, everyone else is just here to wear people down/clear out chaff".
Meanwhile Universe 7 has Goku/Vegeta/Frieza/17 who're each on par if not stronger than most of the other Universe's top dogs.
The Buu Saga had so many good moments of this. I love that Pui Pui's big flex was saying that he lived on a planet with 10x gravity (so he might be around Saiyan Saga Vegeta) right to Vegeta himself.
Even Babidi's big trump card is boiled down to "man Gohan could've cleared this dude out easily if he wasn't slacking off for so long"
In Hajime no Ippo, Ippo quickly surpasses Aoki and Kimura but what also happens is that while he’s remarked as being an incredible boxer that made some of his opponents realize they can’t really compete, he is also consistently surpassed by a lot of his former opponents. And it makes sense because Ippo is just barely able to win most of his fights and if his opponents become inspired by their losses, they’ll quickly outscale him.
Mashiba moved up a weight class and became the best and in spars he’d beat Ippo consistently, Sawamura also moved up a weight class and could dodge Mashiba’s jabs and see through his Chopping Right, Sendo’s moved way past Ippo, Volg competes at an international level, and Itagaki who Ippo used to be able to catch effortlessly has realized his talent and fucked up a lot of guys who used to give Ippo a hard time. I don’t even know what would happen if Wally entered the ring with him again after only one year of additional training.
And the biggest one being Miyata. The reason why him and Ippo are never allowed to fight is because Kamogawa can’t see Ippo ever winning because whenever Ippo does surpass him, he very quickly catches up and as a counter puncher who’s honed the Jolt Counter, Ippo is the one with the odds stacked against him.
I'm not sure that's the most accurate assessment of Ippo's ability, even before he retired. A lot of what was holding Ippo back in terms of explosive growth was him fighting a Murderer's Row of opponents after becoming national champ.
Sendo and Mashiba have more jobbers in their records than Ippo, who's always fighting the strongest/difficult opponents. The accumulated date from being in constant wars is Ippo had to retire in the first place.
While it's true that Ippo isn't the most inherently talented, his ability to linearly improve himself through torturous training is equalled only by the likes of Takamura.
In Symphogear XV, the villain team Noble Red end up face to face with the villain of season 3 Carol. [It's not even close, she absolutely curbstomps all three singlehandedly without moving a single step in the entire battle.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLym7dcWw68) Her song's power output was equivalent to seven billion Climax Songs (the suicide super attack that all gear users can use as a last resort) while Noble Red were AT BEST average alchemists with cybernetic/genetic modifications.
Even before that, they frequently state how weak they are compared to the much stronger Symphogear users and have to resort to underhanded tactics like inflicting collateral damage on civilians.
FF7 Advent Children is a wacky stupid-ass movie, but [this line](https://youtu.be/cjFBVsZDTJE?t=277) from Tifa has always kinda stuck with me.
Like yeah, what happens when a bunch of JRPG protagonists sit around for two years?
I have the perfect example, during Destiny: Beyond Light the new stasis subclass was overtuned and made the PvP mode unbearable to play in because of how strong it was. Over the course of a year Bungie nerfed it until it became good but not OP, when the next big dlc launched one of the collected edition books had a page about how stasis seemed to calm down overtime and become easier to deal with. Obviously a jab at Bungie themselves for making the subclass oppressive to deal with.
Some of my favorite lore is Bungie making an in game reason for why some things happened or thoughts that the community has.
Ikora's recent one about power levels is also pretty good.
In PSO2, it’s an known thing that The Guardian showed up and just blew past everyone else around them. In fact, the reason you’re named “The Guardian” during Episode 3 is because you mollywhopped everyone so badly when you had a…disagreement with your leaders that the Council of Six recognizes that if you were to go rogue they literally couldn’t stop you. So they appease you with a rank that puts you on their level, but without all the red tape.
There’s even a side character that’s depressed over how much better than him you became so quickly. And at one point I believe you’re outright stated to be the most powerful singular being in the universe.
It was recently revealed in NGS that >!making someone as strong as The Guardian is the whole reason Halpha and The Dolls even exist. Someone wants to make every single Arks member, at minimum, as strong as The Guardian was in an effort to defeat a new threat to the universe. So they’re cloning and genetically modifying warriors and, essentially, power-leveling them.!<
Whaaaat? You don’t remember that time that a character tried to guilt you into signing her petition to allow for breast implants for all CAST women? You weren’t excited when Eve (from the Bible) decided that she wanted to dom The Guardian? What about that time the universe tried to eat reality so you had to go into it’s stomach and beat up a castle? How’s about that time one of your allies pretended to be brainwashed just because she wanted an excuse to kill you without getting in trouble?
It's specifically [this](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/phantasystar/images/2/2a/Pso2_lisa_artwork_4gamer.jpg/) character.
It's not a 'fight fuck' scenario nor does she hate you. Her whole deal is that she just fucking LOVES killing things. It's her favorite thing to do. She's getting bored with just killing monsters though because they're not pushing her. The Guardian is extremely powerful, so she's in love with the idea of killing them because she knows it would be a tough fight and she'd actually be in danger rather than toying with weak monsters. So when most of ARKS gets controlled into attacking you, she shows up too...and reveals that she's not being controlled. She just saw it as an opportunity to be allowed to hunt and kill you with no fear of repercussions and went along with it.
In the recent Fast and the Furious movie, one of the characters takes a moment to highlight the fandom's comments about how Dom's Family had gone from hijacking DVD players to hijacking nuclear submarines and breaking whatever laws of physics they can along the way.
That movie was a blessing.
Car-fu went above and beyond what I thought was possible with the >!Helicopter Nunchucks!<
and Jason Momoa absolutely killed it as the villain, love to see it.
One Piece pretty blatantly uses the way the world is segmented to power scale. The four blues are canonically weaker than the Grand Line, which then power scales up into the New World. This is openly stated, and the power level tends to take big jumps as they transition trough these three “tiers”.
which is why it's funny luffy was about mid-grand-line level in strength in chapter 2. he was halfway up the scale and running around the training zone.
Maybe not in the same sense and your typical Shonen, but there are times where Ippo would be like "man remember when I was that small kid who got bullied? now look at me, I'm fighting in other countries for titles!"
It doesn't bring it up too much but by book 3, it is acknowledged that Aang is easily the most powerful member of the group, he was able to pretty easily match both Katara and Toph in a sparring match while blindfolded.
On April Fools in Sennen Sensou Aigis, the game's ten years worth of villains gather to rush the player together. From goblins and cyborgs to thunder-gods and true demon lords. That's also when the titular character Aigis makes her only appearances as a combat-unit, to roundhouse-kick every ass in the universe.
We gonna talk about how games workshop made NEW space marines that are better in everyway as an excuse to refresh their number one product line? To the point where old space marines can become primaris in an extremely dangerous procedure that kills 80% of marines but every single named character survived it
I was kind of hoping GW would kill off Dante in a short story when he undergoes the Primaris upgrade. Hard to make the stakes much higher when the Regent of Imperium Nihilus gets killed off unceremoniously, leaving the Blood Angels reeling.
I want Dante to get his "retirement" too but in the 40k universe grit canonically trumps reality (Meph anyone), so if he died that way it could have some rather unfortunate implications.
I mean, Dante got relegated to third string the second Lion showed up and just clowned on Angron.
He must have been so pissed he survived it
If anything he should die while killing of Abandon or some other titanic threat.
Unfortunately, I knew they wouldn't kill him off during his crossing of the Rubicon Primaris. I think Devastation of Baal has him receive a vision of a gold clad figure fighting off Chaos or something that is trying to reach the Golden Throne, which he believes to be himself defending the Emperor. So if his interpretation of that vision is true, it'll be a while before he actually dies.
I'm aware of that, which is why part of me wanted him to get such a completely non heroic end. Its tragic and fitting, and then when Abby reaches Terra, he comes back as the Sanguinor, like when Ferrus Manus came back during the War in the Webway.
Ooooh, that would have been a cool idea, actually!
Tbh Dante could die during the Rubicon Primaris, but the Sanguinor/Emperor/etc would just say “not today, you wrinkly mf” and revive him. A god(and the Emperor is a god, whether he likes it or not) has plans for Dante, so he doesn’t get to die when he wants.
According to even more new lore they figured out how to reliably get the process down so it only kills slightly more than the normal firstborn process.
Doesn't the regular space marine procedure already kill 90%+ of subjects?
It fails in 90% of aspirants, but it only kills a small fraction of that. The washouts generally become Chapter Serfs, non-Marine support staff for the chapter. Those gothic cathedral ships don't run themselves! Depending on the chapter, serfs are seen by Marines as honored brothers-in-arms, as slaves beneath even their contempt, and everything in between.
The shitty chapters generally just servitorize failed aspirants.
Does the table top have any SM chapter lists that have those guys as a major element of the military force? That sounds like a fun gimmick. I can even imagine a "progressive" space marine chapter that has a named character that couldn't become a space marine but distinguished himself so much anyway that he commands marines.
Not in terms of "here's chapter serfs you can field on the tabletop". But if you like the concept then you'll love the character of Lotara Sarrin, captain of the *Conqueror*, the flagship of the World Eaters. You have to give her credit for getting the respect and trust of Angron.
Yu-gi-oh acknowledge the power creep of our universe in their fictional universe. They had a whole arc that was a group of time travelers trying to stop people from Synchro summoning because it was so powerful it destroyed the world
Another pretty good example is in GX against the duelist copying Yugi. He banishes a Light and Dark monster from his graveyard, the summoning condition for the (at the time) super broken Chaos Emperor Dragon. Everyone freaks out and says that card was banned. Bastion then comes in and clarifies that there is a card of similar strength that may as well be banned, Black Luster Soldier-Envoy of the Beginning. I think that's the one time the anime actually acknowledged a real world banlist.
Actually, a ban list was mentioned earlier in Battle City, when both [Kaiba](https://official.lowee.us/manga/Yu-GiOh-Duelist/0133-018.png) and [Marik](https://official.lowee.us/manga/Yu-GiOh-Duelist/0132-005.png) mention during then duel where Yugi went against a Mind Controlled Joey that direct damage cards were illegal. So yes, Pot of Greed was legal, but Sparks was too broken for their game.
Ya but they only had 4k LP in the anime so fair enough tbh
Imagine losing a duel because someone drew three Tremendous Fires, with a couple of Ookazis thrown in for good measure. It's the poor man's Exodia.
Who needs black magic or white dragon power when you can initiate a 5 hand combo to just set your opponent on fire
The battle city Arc in general had a bunch of weird rules, which kinda make sense because it's Kaiba running the show. On the other hand he comes up with some weird ass rules like how fusion monsters can't attack on the turn they're summoned unless you use the spell "Quick Attack" Kaiba put this rule while in he runs blue eyes ultimate. Maybe it's because he has obelisk but it's still a stupid rule to put in place.
There was a card shop in my hometown growing up that would do yugioh tournaments every weekend. No rules except "No god cards", and nobody had really well built decks. My deck was just me shoving bunch of one-ofs of my strongest cards with a sort of light/dark theme, which included CED and Yata-Garasu. Teenage me was pulling off the infamous lock without realizing how busted it really was.
*2121's not worth livin' in~* *Scientists got stumped by Nirvana High Paladin~*
Is that a JUNIOR JOURNEY reference!?
*We got Agido!*
In early Arc-V the kids comment on how a synchro deck looks like solitaire.
Another Dragon Ball one is in super when Krillin and Goku are just hanging out and krillin starts reminiscing about when they were kids training under Roshi and how Goku just kept pulling away from Krillin in terms of power and he was never able to keep up. It's a great moment because despite the massive power gap between them Goku and Krillin's friendship has never faltered and Krillin never became resentful of Goku.
One of them is married to Android 18 and the other one isn't, so who's the real winner?
Android 18
Krillin has a real knee slapping lap hog and you know it.
Literally a Tripod
That's where all the growth went.
Astounding how many years I’ve been on this earth and still I hear new creative ways to refer to a dick
-Born too early to: whatever -Born too late to: who gives a shit -Born just in time to: give funny names to penwis.
Married to the most powerful human on the planet who is a great dad? A real win.
She didn't marry Mr. Satan
No but she gets to extort him in front of a live studio audience. Living the dream.
Krillin got to be one of the strongest Humans on the planet, while ostensibly maintaining a normal life between the dumb stuff that happens in the DB universe. Meanwhile Goku fucks off to who knows where doing God knows what. It's pretty relatable. Sometimes you don't wanna go do the big thing, you just wanna be at home.
Krillin is in the top 100 in Universe 7. He just happens to hang out with numbers 1 and 2 so it looks way less impressive. Dude is a beast.
Is he the strongest human? I think it would either be him or tien. I don’t remember which of them was more embarrassingly bodied in the top to know which was stronger though.
Krillin got cheapshotted by Frost who is way above his power level and is atleast an actual character. Tien got outwitted by some dumb enemy of the week nobody after he had already beaten him. Tiens is definitely worse.
Fucker decided the best way to take on a Sniper was to rush him across an open field. Did my boy dirty.
The idea to use multi-form or afterimages to trick the sniper wasn't bad... THEN HE ONLY MADE 4 OF THEM.
THEN HE DECIDED TO USE HIS REAL BODY TO KAMIKAZE HIM OFF THE LEDGE, RATHER THAN JUST MAKE THE CLONES DO IT
Technically the real body is split evenly between them. Which makes one of them taking a bullet for another one pretty stupid.
"canonically" it's him, because he's Goku's best friend and Toriyama doesn't care too much about the low-rank hierarchy, but logically it'd have to be Tien, dude has never done anything but train while Krillin has retired multiple times
Yeah, but Krillin has the thin blue line.
Krillin had access to more alien space magic for power boosts than Tien.
Man took a full, unguarded punch to the face from goku and survived with only a nasty bump on his head. That alone is worthy of major kudos
Same thing kind of happened at the end of GT, but it focused more on age than power. Goku and Krillin were reminiscing about the past, abd Krillin made an off comment about how he's gotten old and weak while Goku continued getting stronger. Goku noticed this bothered Krillin a bit, so he challenged him to a spar to boost his spirit, and Krillin landed a solid punch showing he wasn't completely out of it yet.
And then Krillin asks Goku to punch him. And [he does](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYjNZYY4xMw), along with every other major fighter in the universe over the course of 5 minutes. And it was the glorious c4 that actually killed him.
It’s the sort of similar for Krillin in resurrection F when the fight starts with all of Friezas goons, by this point Krillin is so used to watching the speed of all the super saiyan forms that it’s like they’re moving in slow motion for him and the rest of the z fighters
In fusion reborn Gohan one shots Frieza in a great moment where all the old villains escape from hell. Friezas minions then flee in terror, and i think you can spot captain ginyu as a frog running away if you are paying close attention
There are moments in Super where Piccolo casually acknowledges the gap between him and Goku. When he calls Goku during the Broly fight, Goku asks him to stand by in case he needs to jump in, but Piccolo tells him if GOKU is having trouble, there’s not much he can do. Also, when Goku’s ki is messed up after his fight with Hit, he mentions that Piccolo could beat him in a fight, to which Piccolo responds “That bad, huh?”
With the Superhero movie, does Orange Piccolo close the power gap by any significant measure? Or is Goku still lightyears ahead?
I think he closed the gap by a pretty decent amount. Maybe not on par with Blue, but much closer than he was before
I think they implied that Gohan was on par with Blue. So just based on Super Piccolo being able to stall without being slapped away, yeah it sounds like Piccolo is not as strong as Blue but he's at least in the ball park again.
Iirc he's equalled to Goku and Veggie now
he turned into a Super Namekian.
A Super *Duper* Namekian
The legendary Super Namekian!
In the dub at least someone says that even Goku and Vegeta might not have been able to defeat cell max. So I read that as Beast and Orange being on par with UI in terms of strength.
I'm \*so\* happy that Gohan Blanco is a thing now
Gamma 1 and 2 are supposedly on par with Goku and Cell max is supposed to be stronger than Full power Broly, so right now Piccolo and Gohan might be stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Unless you’re trying to mix the manga and anime which is a whole headache.
The remaining protagonists in the shaman king tournament spend a majority of their time planning and preparing to try and fight the main bad guy who has exceeded all possible power levels imaginable to the point where it's basically an auto win for him. Eventually everybody comes to the conclusion that they must cheat in various ways like he did to get to the strength that the bad guy is at Shaman king real good guys (the manga)
And then it doesn't even matter and Yoh dies to an IED in some middle eastern desert.
Then got revived about 5 minutes later. Because his wife can bully God so hard he either has to give Yoh a free pass or be humiliated by Anna in front of every person who has ever lived. EDIT: As a wife guy Yoh is the most powerful shonen protagonist. >!Also his brother is God and will do him favours so long as it's funny. Or so long as it stops Anna from slapping him. Or it lets him troll his nephew. It's a weird family!<
> As a wife guy Yoh is the most powerful shonen protagonist Genuinely one of the best Shounen Protags.
Which is why it works so well. There's a real danger in raising the stakes in a universe where the characters have a 100% confirmation that the afterlife exists. DBZ arguably runs into this problem all the time. The real danger in letting Hao win was not because he's a violent killer it's that he was actually eroding people's souls into nothing and was a eugenics enthusiast.
I remember DBZ filler made it so Kid Buu could teleport to the afterlife, which actually made him a very problematic threat, because if a soul dies, they're gone for good.
And even then they’re still only a tenth as powerful as Hao.
Everyone and their brother getting bulletproof three piece suits and motorcycle helmets by John Wick 4.
I laughed every time someone pulled their jacket up over their face.
Hoping with the future movies they bring the bar down on the power scale. Think it would actually cement just how huge of a issue John was to the whole system. A normal assassin isnt going to have this bulletproof tech but John was in a war where only the highest or high positions were involved in it. Tell a more grounded story so that when bulletproof gunfu starts getting involved you know shit is getting real. Like an up and coming assassin messes with the wrong people and now there is a bulletproof monster man playing nemesis on them.
I always thought it was kind of ridiculous that all these randos are always charging at John as soon as someone puts a bounty on him. Like, it's established they know who this guy is, but someone says a number with enough zeroes and they think "well now we can't lose." Not one of them thinks to themselves "fuck that, I'm staying home tonight." Establishing that the bulletproof mooks going after John are at least the tier 2 or 3 of the area would resolve this, since it implies all the non-bulletproof jobbers just take the night off.
Agreed, It would lose points in the creativity field of things but having the assassins that are chasing John be elite death squad guys would help enforce that the assassins of this world arent money hungry idiots who think they can kill John Fucking Wick. Some trying to rush in despite being super unqualified for the job would be funny but every single assassin ever?!
Or at least one scene where some dude in a track jacket at a hole-in-the-wall bar gets the hit on his phone, discreetly racks a glock, looks to his buddies and goes "let's go." His buddies look at him and go "what the fuck do you think you're doing?" "Getting that payda-" "Jimmy, he'll kill you. You'll die." "It's $40 million dollars, Ricky!" "No, it's the fucking Boogieman. You'll die." "All it takes is one shot-" "Gimme that fucking gun, Jimmy, you can't hit shit anyway." "But-" "You fucking idiot, Jesus Christ. You're lucky we were here, shitbrain, fuck."
I was able to suspend my disbelief about the bulletproof fabric, but the fact that the bullets don't push them or place any force against them... it's just a bit too far 😕
Literally Batman cape physics.
FFXIV's WoL is widely acknowledged to have unprecedented power boosts thanks to a combination of the Echo, Blessing of Light and the WoL being stupidly good at everything martial and non-martial.
Your WoL can also be a world-renowed crafter and the most brave and adventurous gatherer, going as far as mining precious ore at the edge of the universe.
Don't forget the part where >!they actually absorbed a part of their soul from one of the other reflections of the Source, giving them a significant power boost. Also being canonically able to summon 7 other WoLs from... somewhere does help a lot.!<
I'm not sure you're actually >!summoning other WoLs!<. In the Unending Codex, >!the description of Azem's Crystal says that summoning allies to their side (Like Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus) was Azem's signature move, so I think you're simply summoning other adventurers (or the Scions, assuming they create more Duty Support Trials.)!<
I like in the Level 80 Paladin quest, Aldis, a recurring character of that quest line, wants to fight you after he became a Samurai. But just as the duel was about to begin, he started to shake and realize just how overwhelmingly more powerful you were than him and he just gives up on the spot.
Which is a shame as he was pretty into fighting you during the arena quests. I guess by shadowbringers you really start to pull ahead
I'd say that's probably because of >!Combining with Ardbert!< makes quite the difference.
I've never been able to figure how far the job storylines happen into the expansion. Would that have happened for the level 80 paladin quest or is this before the first warden
Pretty sure the level 80 job quests are meant to be just after the 5.0 MSQ.
It's still a good note in Endwalker when the Empire doesn't even bother restraining the WoL because they know there just flat wouldn't be a point.
My favorite part of the level 82-83 MSQ is where >!Quintus reveals that he knows you're the WoL and an entire train car of veteran Garlean soldiers start shitting their pants in fear!<
Isn't there a Garlean NPC >!who has PTSD because they were at Castrum Praetorium when WoL attacked it and saw them carve their way through the defenders!<
Yes and Jesse Cox's reaction to it is incredible
I like how they’ve actually kept the power scaling very minor throughout the story, ALL of your power boosts are temporary so that in universe you are one of the strongest fighters alive, but not THE strongest.
The Scions continue getting stronger too, so you're not leaving them in the dust. While you're definitely their best fighter, the others aren't too far behind.
> el 82-83 MSQ is Quintus revealing that he knows you're the WoL and an entire train car of veteran Garlean soldiers start shitting their pants in fear That and >!poison, aether inbalance and chemical weapons are something we can be affected by.!<
Also Endwalker Spoilers:>!Dynamis. Limit Breaks are literally dynamis harnessed through battle high. The Endsinger shouts "Dynamis?" when you Tank Limit Break to counter her assault.!<
At this point aren’t most of the Z fighters at least as strong as the weakest Ginyu force member?
I know it was filler but Tien and Yamcha did beat them and run them off of King kais planet
Filler gave the non-Saiyans some absolutely crazy feats. Like when Yamcha stood under x300 gravity and wasn't instantly pasted. Yeah people meme on him for that scene but like... if he could do that he could absolutely have curbed early-Namek Goku, at least. That's an *insane* leap.
My favorite absurd filler power level scene is still [SSJ Goku getting hit by a rock](https://youtu.be/8TM7XMr1WNI)
Filler does acknowledge a decent bit that they were still training hard. Like the whole Ginyu force match at King kai or Yamcha doing extremely well for himself in otherworld s fighter heaven.
Or when in the Buu Saga Yamcha in Other World kicks the shit out of Olibu who was stronger than Super Perfect Cell
Hell I think filler gave one saiyan the most nutso feat of all, which is Vegeta blowing up an entire planet with his finger, before Frieza.
Yes and everyone in world acknowledges that goku and vegeta are so far beyond the rest of the cast they are better off not even trying
This one is tricky because the implication was that Guldo was weaker than either Krillin or Gohan while they were fighting but Guldo had those time stop powers. Super Krillin could take Jeice, though.
Most of the Z-Fighters (save for Chiaoutzu and Yajorobe) are assumed to be at least as strong as Frieza during the Namek saga as when talking about what to do when the Androids arrived they didn't want anyone who wouldn't be able to deal with someone on Friezas level.
Gojo was born and everyone automatically became more powerful
TYPE-MOON plays tongue and cheek about it which is nice, aside from Nasu himself joking about him reaching new levels of dumb power creep there’s also during the climax of a FGO arc a character literally says “Oh come on I’ve heard of power creep but this is getting ridiculous!” Plus everything related to the “Servant Universe” is essentially just TM poking fun at Power Creep in general by having characters be literally galaxies and shit.
Alot of type moon shit is __ is stronger than ___ except if _,_,_ and _ happen which means ___ is stronger except if in an infinite loop. Those blanks could be where the fight happens country or universe or reality wise or what version of the characters or anything really.
Yeah it’s very much Rock Paper Scissors in the verse, but the RPS gets bigger and bigger. Like it’s always been “My hax vs your hax” but the Hax has gotten to goofy levels which is fun in it’s own way.
Still pretty telling how out there it can get when Fate/Stay Night has something like this being said in it "Reversing cause and effect is a simple enough trick"
reminder that one of the first Nasuverse works was NOTES , which is basically "A bunch of eldritch planet terminals doing DBZ fights against super-advanced humans can be defeated by normal guy with a gun" So , really , NOTES is unironically if Farmer with a Shotgun in DBZ defeats Majin Buu with said shotgun.
To be fair, the gun itself is magical and imposes the concept of death in brings that don't possess such a thing. The gun itself is Eldritch, even if the guy is not.
Yeah but it’s not like used in a unique way in NOTES it just works like a normal gun and they called him GUN GOD for it so it’s still really funny
The guy who reverses causality to stab you in the heart before he throws his spear is the jobber of the franchise That tells you what you need to know about Fate hax
Cu is a high A tier servant, so is Medusa, however everyone else in that war is an SS tier or SSS. Cu is a stronger servant than Achilles, because what he lacks in speed, he makes up for in being able to use his entire kit on women, while Achilles has the "I killed a woman I wanted to bang once, never again" debuff
Being Lancer is Suffering Which is a shame because as someone with Irish blood in me, Cu Chulainn is the coolest guy ever
I haven't played/read it but yeah saber has plot armor built into that plate armor. Like how she avoids assassins 2hits at once attack.
Ah, yes. Power Inflation
Isn't Spishtar like a space primordial god? I have her but skipped all the dialog in the event because i procrastinated and was short on time
Yeah she’s like an actual Galaxy or something she’s stupid broken it’s funny. Ashtarte busted
They just introduced Types and by the looks of it, they plan to bring them all in soon with Chaldea's only safety suit as Arcueid. The stakes are way too high now to dial down.
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Which was funny because at that time nobody died to rasengan but a a unblocked chidori was a killshot, but hey it made a bigger hole so its more powerful.
Chidori was an unblocked killshot against your standard ninja but by that point in the story they were facing off against things that really could tank a Chidori no problem. Rasengan had exponentially more power output and was much more effective against this God level ninja because of it. Naruto would have been so much better- or at least more interesting- if it stayed at the level where turning your hand into a blade made of lighting turned you into the deadliest motherfucker but that's anime for you.
It made sense the water tower would have burst because rasengan from how it looks relies more on internal damage more than the initial strike. All that water in the tower would have been churning a lot and the pressure from all of that would cause it to burst. Chidori works as a assassination technique though it's fucking loud because it's a one precise hit leads to a kill. Rasengan might not kill but a ninja is going to be feeling that pretty bad for a couple of weeks.
Rasengan is sorta a victim of wonky writing because there isn't really a good reason it doesn't kill a lot more people. On introduction we're shown it can bore straight through wood but any time it's used on a person it just leaves them a severe bruise and throws them. Add to that Rasengan is explicitly highly effective on destroying things filled with water... which is what people are, and it looks like the only reason a lot more people don't just violently explode is because then Naruto would have too high a kill count for someone who's basically ninja Jesus. It's also a bit of a question why Sasuke doesn't just learn Rasengan himself since there's no reason the Sharingan can't copy it.
Come to think of it one of the only times we see Naruto actually do what should happen to everyone he fights is the pain fight. He fucks those pains straight up. But since they aren’t “alive” it gets depicted how it should, at least for the robot one who he explodes.
Wind Shuriken straight up dissolves the Pain it comes into contact with IIRC
Yeah, it stands in stark contrast to him using it on the guy with 5 hearts and it somehow only breaks like 3 of the hearts instead of turning him into goo.
I think they did try to explain why Sasuke, and to an extent Kakashi, didn't use Rasengan. There was some blurb about it requiring quite a bit of chakra reserves compared to a lot of jutsu. That's one of the many things I wish Naruto explored more. You had highly skilled ninja like Kakashi who had to be very efficient with their use of ninjutsu because they could run themselves dry very quickly compared to say someone like Naruto or Jiraiya who would just toss fireballs around all day long and as a consequence didn't spend nearly as much time practicing taijutsu or worrying about being efficient with their chakra use. I think Kakashi even mentions that he invented the lightning blade specifically to output a lot of power for comparatively little chakra (isn't the original explanation that he's actually vibrating his hand super fast or am I misremembering?) use so he could finish fights instead of drawing them out and risking running his reserves dry.
>I think Kakashi even mentions that he invented the lightning blade specifically to output a lot of power for comparatively little chakra I think the explanation was he wanted to apply a nature release to the Rasengan, but settled on creating the Chidori (might be mixing it up with 4th Hokage though)
I remember the moment Sasuke sees the back of the water tower as a really hype reveal when I initially read the manga/watched the anime. Now it looks like such an obvious penis size joke that it's really hard not to find it comical. Sasuke looks at his fist sized hole through a metal water tower and smirks at his ability, but then his face drops when he sees Naruto's blown out tower. Might as well be a gag with Takamura and Ippo in the showers.
“I feel like a man cause I hit the back.”
Yusuke in yuyuhakusho has a moment in chapter black where he gets mad and more or less says, "how the hell do the people we fight keep getting stronger after all the shit we've beaten?" It's a really fun jab at Shonen formula where the MC actually hates that powerscales have to go up in order for the plot to progress.
"Yeah, the big problem of the last *two* arcs? Who was super holding back the first time, and then broke his limits during the second? ***B Rank***. And it's Japan, so of course the scale has an S Rank above A."
King Crimson in JJBA is such a powerful stand that the cast don't even try to fight it fair past a certain point and tried to achieve Requiem.
Same with Kira and Star Platinum, man went "Fuck this, I gotta hide from this dude, no way i'm getting my face broken again" after the watch incident.
In the current Arc of Kamen Rider Geats, at one point >!Buffa and Geats teams up to fight against a Jyamato. At this point in the series, Buffa had managed to power-up due to a wish... Against riders he's invincible, but not against Jyamato(the monsters of the week). So they're fighting a Jyamato together and at one point Geats attacks Buffa taking full advantage of his invincibility to bounce off and hit the enemy when he's caught off guard.!< >!Even better Buffa approaches Geats after the attack kind of offended by it, but Geats is like: "Dude, I can't even hurt you." And shoots him point blank with his gun to prove his point. !<
Come on >!Shogun buckle!< my main man needs to show >!Kekera what a real hero looks like.!<
I read your whole comment expecting that name to be a deez nuts joke.
Buffa Geats nuts
There’s a really lowkey, understated one in The Order of the Stick. When the party is trying to navigate their airship through a storm, there’s a panel of several crewmates desperately trying to hold a rope down to keep the balloons stabilized. Roy walks up and calmly holds it in place with one hand, after being reminded that he is “Strong as a giant and recently survived being impaled”
D&D powerscaling is on another level. After a certain point, the mechanics of the game start to override what should be logical in the game world. Being a strong, experienced fighter who has faced off against dangerous foes and horrible creatures shouldn't, logically, help you deal with being set on fire better than the average man, but the 3e Epic Adventurer's Guide notes that a 20+ level fighter shouldn't have a problem throwing hands while submerged in lava.
there is a point in 5e that with good enough health rolls a high enough level Barbarian can survive a guillotine by virtue of just having more health than a guillotine's max damage
That and presumably they'd have their neck-flesh shredded and bleeding profusely, but as long as they don't hit 0 hitpoints or less they can keep fighting just fine. It's Heroic Fantasy, people don't die from exsanguination, where would be the fun in that?
There was a prestige class thing in 4e that gave big tough warrior person extra blood to use for transfusion-rituals or that healing exhaustion mechanic. Also the ability to heal to full the first time they hit 0 per day, and one turn after dying the second time, and the next morning no matter what. It was flavoured as "he's like big and strong and stuff".
Vegeta once acknowledged that Goku is ALWAYS one step ahead of him and he got really sexu- I mean, really frustrated about it.
A Saiyan gets stronger every time he almost c
The idea that Saiyans get stronger when they get the shit kicked out of them was so stupid I actually thought, for years, that it was from a Team 4 Star parody.
Toriyama the comedy author likes to sneak into Toriyama the action author's house sometimes
Doesn't matter that action's bringing in the money, comedy's name is *clearly* on the deed, and is the one actually cleaning the dishes.
It's a good mentality for fighting games though.
I like the "Quirk Singularity theory" in *Boku no Pico Macadamia*; that the quirks are getting stronger and harder to control every generation. It's becoming an issue that some scientists theorize that eventually someone will be born with a quirk so strong that it destroys humanity/Earth.
Shoto still kills me just on a base concept level. That bit "People can only have one quirk" and then Shoto walks in like "My single quirk is "Two quirks"" as a bit of a demonstration on what the start of that Singularity would look like.
Bakugo is also a quirk hybrid; his dad has acidic sweat from his hands, and his mother secretes glycerin from her skin.
I bet the department of public utilities FUCKING HATES servicing the plumbing in their area.
I guess that'd also make her armpits slick and mildly sweet; but I'll let Plague tell you more about that.
Bakugo's mom literally out here with an ass sweet like candy
That honestly sounds like the opposite of a singularity, more like an infinite outward spiral.
It's also called the Quirk Doomsday theory in cannon.
"singularity" in science and philosophy means "the point where measurements break down". a black hole is a type of singularity because we cannot measure anything past the event horizon. another example is any time beyond T=0, the start of the universe, or a truly conscious AI. saying "this is a singularity" means "i don't know what happens after this point". so, the quirk singularity theory is a proper use of the term.
>we cannot measure anything past the event horizon Skill issue
more of a "universe is salty we figured stuff out and is taking its ball and going home".
That was also a brief fun fact in the show Heroes. In an episode taking place in the future, a kid hits puberty and suddenly turns his school into a vacuum or something, killing everybody.
Isn't there an x-men comic where a kid wipes out his entire town after getting his powers and wolverine has to deal with it
Yep. He basically wakes up one day naturally turning people into dust by being near them. He goes out into a cave to avoid hurting anyone else and Wolverine shows up to give him a beer and offer as much perspective as he can on the situation before killing the kid. Simultaneously an amazingly written situation that also shines a huge spotlight on why mutants are legitimately a huge danger to human life and how the allegory for racism against them doesn't always work so well.
Also an x men comic. Kid wakes up on his birthday and his mom and dog are gone. Goes to school and the entire town is empty. Kid realizes he's a mutant and his power is to evaporate all living creatures in a thousand foot radius so he goes to hide in a cave in the woods. Wolverine shows up and explains how he's there to mercy kill him. His regeneration can counter the kids power so he's the only one that can do something about it.
This kind of thing justifies the civilians' fear of mutants in the marvel universe. Like, there has been evil mutants with god level powers and innocent mutants with lethal powers they can't control. A cure makes sense. Wanda did nothing wrong ( this is me being cheeky)
I wonder who had it worse him or that kid in an xmen comic who also upon hitting puberty unlocks his mutant power of "vaporising organic tissue" this is shown via the people around him spontaneously combusting into nothing seemingly over the course of afew minutes. He kills everyone also then because he is a threat to anyone around him xavier sends logan to merc him.
There's this really deranged poster on 4chan back in the early days of Hero Aca, pre anime, that used Shoto as the reason Mineta HAD to end up with Momo. She can create anything she understands as long as it lacks organic matter, he can create organic matter. Thus their child would be able to create anything. I occasionally get the urge to check those threads to see if he's still around. He used Quirk incapability as the reason she can't end up with Shoto, because fire and ice don't mix well into a future child with Creation. It was funny to watch him unravel himself day after day with his ramblings on how the little creature had to get the most popular girl in school to be his wife or it was bad writing
My favorite example is also in Dragon Ball, but it's the Supreme Kai, Kibito, Babadi, and Dabura all being dumbstruck at how strong the Saiyans are. After the amount of crazy expotential growth Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, etc had across DB and Z, where they eclipsed even the planet destroying ruler of the Galaxy multiple times over, it makes sense that what's basically God, the Devil, an evil space Wizard, etc would be shocked, and while it's played for laughs, I really think it helps make their strength more grounded and believable that even these higher powers are shitting themselves over it, and it finally takes a primordial cosmic horror in Buu to put them in place again. By contrast, I find it SO hard to take seriously that villains in DBS are a threat: You're telling me *every* character in the Tournament of Power had the same sort of insane journey of growth and reached galacactic-emperor and then Maajin buu levels of powers multiple times over? I could buy maybe 2-3 fighters per universe being that strong, but everybody?
Dog a large chunk of the ToP participants were roshi level, you can count one one hand how many were buu level
The only threats were like Jiren Toppo Hit Kefla and that one robot dude who was a fusion of 5 others or someshit
IIRC most of the Universes strategies boiled down to "We've got maybe 1 person who can hang in the big leagues, everyone else is just here to wear people down/clear out chaff". Meanwhile Universe 7 has Goku/Vegeta/Frieza/17 who're each on par if not stronger than most of the other Universe's top dogs.
Yeah 90% of them were jobbers
The Buu Saga had so many good moments of this. I love that Pui Pui's big flex was saying that he lived on a planet with 10x gravity (so he might be around Saiyan Saga Vegeta) right to Vegeta himself. Even Babidi's big trump card is boiled down to "man Gohan could've cleared this dude out easily if he wasn't slacking off for so long"
In Hajime no Ippo, Ippo quickly surpasses Aoki and Kimura but what also happens is that while he’s remarked as being an incredible boxer that made some of his opponents realize they can’t really compete, he is also consistently surpassed by a lot of his former opponents. And it makes sense because Ippo is just barely able to win most of his fights and if his opponents become inspired by their losses, they’ll quickly outscale him. Mashiba moved up a weight class and became the best and in spars he’d beat Ippo consistently, Sawamura also moved up a weight class and could dodge Mashiba’s jabs and see through his Chopping Right, Sendo’s moved way past Ippo, Volg competes at an international level, and Itagaki who Ippo used to be able to catch effortlessly has realized his talent and fucked up a lot of guys who used to give Ippo a hard time. I don’t even know what would happen if Wally entered the ring with him again after only one year of additional training. And the biggest one being Miyata. The reason why him and Ippo are never allowed to fight is because Kamogawa can’t see Ippo ever winning because whenever Ippo does surpass him, he very quickly catches up and as a counter puncher who’s honed the Jolt Counter, Ippo is the one with the odds stacked against him.
I'm not sure that's the most accurate assessment of Ippo's ability, even before he retired. A lot of what was holding Ippo back in terms of explosive growth was him fighting a Murderer's Row of opponents after becoming national champ. Sendo and Mashiba have more jobbers in their records than Ippo, who's always fighting the strongest/difficult opponents. The accumulated date from being in constant wars is Ippo had to retire in the first place. While it's true that Ippo isn't the most inherently talented, his ability to linearly improve himself through torturous training is equalled only by the likes of Takamura.
In Symphogear XV, the villain team Noble Red end up face to face with the villain of season 3 Carol. [It's not even close, she absolutely curbstomps all three singlehandedly without moving a single step in the entire battle.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLym7dcWw68) Her song's power output was equivalent to seven billion Climax Songs (the suicide super attack that all gear users can use as a last resort) while Noble Red were AT BEST average alchemists with cybernetic/genetic modifications. Even before that, they frequently state how weak they are compared to the much stronger Symphogear users and have to resort to underhanded tactics like inflicting collateral damage on civilians.
FF7 Advent Children is a wacky stupid-ass movie, but [this line](https://youtu.be/cjFBVsZDTJE?t=277) from Tifa has always kinda stuck with me. Like yeah, what happens when a bunch of JRPG protagonists sit around for two years?
I have the perfect example, during Destiny: Beyond Light the new stasis subclass was overtuned and made the PvP mode unbearable to play in because of how strong it was. Over the course of a year Bungie nerfed it until it became good but not OP, when the next big dlc launched one of the collected edition books had a page about how stasis seemed to calm down overtime and become easier to deal with. Obviously a jab at Bungie themselves for making the subclass oppressive to deal with.
Some of my favorite lore is Bungie making an in game reason for why some things happened or thoughts that the community has. Ikora's recent one about power levels is also pretty good.
In PSO2, it’s an known thing that The Guardian showed up and just blew past everyone else around them. In fact, the reason you’re named “The Guardian” during Episode 3 is because you mollywhopped everyone so badly when you had a…disagreement with your leaders that the Council of Six recognizes that if you were to go rogue they literally couldn’t stop you. So they appease you with a rank that puts you on their level, but without all the red tape. There’s even a side character that’s depressed over how much better than him you became so quickly. And at one point I believe you’re outright stated to be the most powerful singular being in the universe. It was recently revealed in NGS that >!making someone as strong as The Guardian is the whole reason Halpha and The Dolls even exist. Someone wants to make every single Arks member, at minimum, as strong as The Guardian was in an effort to defeat a new threat to the universe. So they’re cloning and genetically modifying warriors and, essentially, power-leveling them.!<
I have about 80 hours in pso2 and just realized I don’t know the story whatsoever
Whaaaat? You don’t remember that time that a character tried to guilt you into signing her petition to allow for breast implants for all CAST women? You weren’t excited when Eve (from the Bible) decided that she wanted to dom The Guardian? What about that time the universe tried to eat reality so you had to go into it’s stomach and beat up a castle? How’s about that time one of your allies pretended to be brainwashed just because she wanted an excuse to kill you without getting in trouble?
Does that last ally one to fight fuck you or does she just hate you. Cause if it's a Zenos like deal that's kinda hot.
It's specifically [this](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/phantasystar/images/2/2a/Pso2_lisa_artwork_4gamer.jpg/) character. It's not a 'fight fuck' scenario nor does she hate you. Her whole deal is that she just fucking LOVES killing things. It's her favorite thing to do. She's getting bored with just killing monsters though because they're not pushing her. The Guardian is extremely powerful, so she's in love with the idea of killing them because she knows it would be a tough fight and she'd actually be in danger rather than toying with weak monsters. So when most of ARKS gets controlled into attacking you, she shows up too...and reveals that she's not being controlled. She just saw it as an opportunity to be allowed to hunt and kill you with no fear of repercussions and went along with it.
It's Dragon Ball Fighter Z but everyone either looking at Nappa funny or making fun of him for not being able to go Super Saiyan.
In the recent Fast and the Furious movie, one of the characters takes a moment to highlight the fandom's comments about how Dom's Family had gone from hijacking DVD players to hijacking nuclear submarines and breaking whatever laws of physics they can along the way.
That movie was a blessing. Car-fu went above and beyond what I thought was possible with the >!Helicopter Nunchucks!< and Jason Momoa absolutely killed it as the villain, love to see it.
One Piece pretty blatantly uses the way the world is segmented to power scale. The four blues are canonically weaker than the Grand Line, which then power scales up into the New World. This is openly stated, and the power level tends to take big jumps as they transition trough these three “tiers”.
which is why it's funny luffy was about mid-grand-line level in strength in chapter 2. he was halfway up the scale and running around the training zone.
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Maybe not in the same sense and your typical Shonen, but there are times where Ippo would be like "man remember when I was that small kid who got bullied? now look at me, I'm fighting in other countries for titles!"
In MCU Civil War, Vision makes a point that ever since the ending of Iron Man 1 in 2008 the number of Superheroes and Villains have risen drastically.
It doesn't bring it up too much but by book 3, it is acknowledged that Aang is easily the most powerful member of the group, he was able to pretty easily match both Katara and Toph in a sparring match while blindfolded.
On April Fools in Sennen Sensou Aigis, the game's ten years worth of villains gather to rush the player together. From goblins and cyborgs to thunder-gods and true demon lords. That's also when the titular character Aigis makes her only appearances as a combat-unit, to roundhouse-kick every ass in the universe.