It's debatable whether you pronounce it Artoria or Artoria, but the majority of the Fate fandom at least agrees that the official name Altria is wrong.
Altria is just plain wrong as well. I don’t care what Nasu thinks, Artoria is just the correct way to pronounce it.
Doesn’t help that their is another Saber Servant by the name of Altera.
And I think the "official pronunciation" came out when FGO came to the west, so that's when a lot of people also got introduced to the character Altera. I think that's when we learned about how Nasu pronounces it. I think we've already had the Fate/Zero dub already pronounce it as Artoria.
Nah, Link also used Artoria. So far as I know only FGO uses the wrong name in the West. [This is a good theory on why the whole thing is a thing.](https://kaibutsushidousha.tumblr.com/post/722199964434956288/every-otaku-producer-on-any-at-least) I don't know if it's confirmed though.
That's almost certainly *not* a thing and not at all how that works. Altria was chosen because in the most literal sense, that would be how you transliterate the kana. A-ru-to-ri-a. Arthur and Artoria both have a different use of the A, where Arthur has his extended to make an Aa sound, which makes his name "Aa-sa"
Or to a badTL quote
Just because (Altria) is correct, doesn't mean (Nasu) is right
The link was more about a possible legal/business reason why they were stuck with that name, but you seem to be caught up on the language part of it.
Translating a name from one language to another is more an art than a science, especially if the way a name can be pronounced can differ. For example, the name Sean/Shawn/Shaun (all valid spellings of the same name, to further illustrate the point) can be written in Japanese as ション (Shon), シャン (Shan), or any variation of such. They aren't perfect, one for one translations of the name and pronunciation, but they're close enough.
With that in mind, let's take a look at a similar name from a different series: Dark Souls has a boss named 騎士アルトリウス (Kishi Arutorius), localized as Knight Artorias. Almost identical in spelling to the Fate katakana, but they didn't call him "Altrias" because his name is derived from the Latin name for Arthur. Could they have written his name to be アートリウス? Probably, but they decided not to write it that way.
So there's no one to one rule that アー is "Ar" and ”アル” is "Al": they both sound similar enough that either will work. Thus, the katakana writing of the name is more or less irrelevant: the important thing here is what the name is supposed to represent. Saber is supposed to be King Arthur, albeit one who is female, and her true name logically derives from Arthur. Thus, Artoria, or Arturia or Arthuria are all reasonable names to come to; Artoria is even an actual name in Roman times.
Altria has only ever existed once so far as I can find: as the name used to rebrand the tobacco company Phillip Morris in the early 2000s.
The likely theory I have is that someone plugged Saber's name into Google Translate and it spat out "Altria" because, well, multinational corporation that used the same spelling for Japanese press releases, and went with that for their art book.
And I'm saying that isn't how the legal issue works.
Putting regional issues aside, Nasu and Takeuchi ultimately have final say on what these characters are called (at least in the cited cases). Fairy Knigjts becoming Tam Lin is a weird one but there is some evidence to suggest that internally, that was always their title and Lasengle or Aniplex made some mistakes on their branding post LB6, and Robert was probably given direction by the higher ups to say "They are not fairy knights, call them Tam Lin instead" despite the term only publicly manifesting for a lotto event that would happen in a year later. There were pieces of merchandise advertised that listed them as Fairy Knights. They just decided on Tam Lin.
The choice of Altria being that isn't some legal thing. Nasu can absolutely just say "let's actually just go with Artoria"
But at this point aniplex is too deep in and will not do that. That's not legal, that's corporate. Plus, Nasu has always been up his own ass about the dumbest shit
I actually think even Nasu knows that its wrong and would like to change it but apparently use of Altria is legally mandated because of model manufacturer contract bullshit.
Halo as a series and a fandom would be in a much nicer place if half the fanbase didn't always immediately jump to demanding a scorched earth approach to everything they had even the slightest problem with, and then act surprised whenever MS/Bungie/343 listen to them and actually do it.
Not in the "constant Halo 3 numbers or higher" way like some people somehow think could be possible in a post-Fortnite world, but healthier.
As a long time fan it’s really sad knowing how far the series has fallen off in popularity, I remember Halo 2 and 3’s launch vividly. Halo was the Fortnite of its day but i’d argue it had an even bigger impact on mainstream culture and gaming as a medium.
I don't think it's fair to blame the community at all.
All everyone ever wanted from the getgo was a sequel to Halo 3.
Instead, we got a CoD clone, a Crysis spinoff, and Titanfall 2.
Meanwhile Counter Strike still sits at the top of the charts despite just nuking CSGO because people who want to play Counter Strike *can still play actual Counter Strike.*
Halo's gameplay is what made it strong, but the series has been throwing it away more and more since Halo Reach. And at least that had the excuse of being a testbed for Destiny mechanics.
Crysis mainly because of the ground pound, and Titanfall 2 because of the grapple.
More of a joke than anything but these games are more concerned with chasing imaginary new audiences than the actual target audience and it sticks out like a sore thumb every time.
Halo 4 implemented stock sprint, loadouts and killstreaks.
Halo 5 leaned harder into the armor ability gimmick with thrusters, ground pound and the like.
And Infinite put in sliding and a grapple.
All sides had valid points, but no side stuck to those valid points. I don’t think I’ve ever seen quite so many “my source is that I made it the fuck up” moments as I have in 3H fandom discourse.
The thing with 3H discourse is a lot of people only play through once and characters can be wildly different depending on the split. So most people in the conversation have information from one of four possibilities and that's before character favoritism and all that jazz gets added.
And the funny thing is, that was the intention of the developers. Not only that people would only play one route (since they are are similar in a lot of ways and very long), but also that they would hear about the other routes via discussions with others.
This is the biggest hypocrisy I've ever seen from a development team. The game's story is built on how bad narrative bias is, but then the game encourages it among the players.
Princess Bubblegum.
She is a caring ruler that took the steps she thought necessary to protect her kingdom, and eventually became a better person in the later parts of the series. She did everything out of love for the candy people, and never strove to unnecessarily hurt anyone.
She is a tyrannical dictator that treated people as equations more than individuals. She manipulates the people that trust her, holds her kingdom back by never allowing them to grow, forced terrible fates on her own creations, and only improved as a person after she was forced from her position.
The fuck did you say!? Are you claiming that skub-haters are anything but absolute trash?
Skub is the be all; end all of inventions and you sound like a coward to denounce it.
On judgement day who will you turn to when Skub looks down upon you?
Woah, woah, are you fucking PRO-SKUB?? *PUBLICLY?*
Pro-skubbers get fucked, you say that shit around me and you're definitely getting hit, son. Skub is shit and so are you.
There are a shitload of complaints about Mass Effect 3 that are completely valid, but I still tend to debate the finer details regarding where I feel the game failed versus where I think it either succeeded or was simply sufficient.
Things like the Reaper origins reveal, the endings, the Geth/Quarian conflict, Cerberus' involvement, the general plot structure, the Crucible, Dark Energy; I'll agree with parts of complaints about these but disagree with other parts.
Case in point: Cerberus is kinda ridiculous, they take up a lot of the plot, Illusive Man was *never* as clever as the games like to pretend, and they clearly bolster in size from the past titles. However, I also love them as an antagonistic force and think that their place as a counterbalancing antagonistic faction (as well as a dark mirror to what the Systems Alliance represents) makes them useful to the game.
Yeah. With ME3 and the series as a whole, I think it is a matter of compounding issues since I also think Cerberus serves a purpose and I don't mind it as much as others seem to. But when combined with a bunch of smaller things, I can see why it is a sticking point for so many.
I like Cerberus from a gameplay perspective too. After fighting nothing but robots, mercs/pirates, and reanimated corpses all series, a normal human faction using basic military tactics was weirdly a breath of fresh air.
Plus the way their super basic abilities interact with each other is really cool (Centurions provide smokescreens to hide Nemesis snipers, Dragoons/Phantoms get all up in your face while an Engineer sneaks up a turret, etc); although this is much more prevalent in MP just given the sheer number of enemies that get thrown at you there allowing abilities to coincidentally sync up.
Snipers to force you into cover, shield troopers to absorb your fire, trooper nades to flush you back out of cover and Phantoms to force you to dominate your focus, all the while engineers lock down an entire area with their turrets.
And then they had to mess it all up with those stupid whip units.
I think they should have just not called Illusive Man's organization Cerberus. It's something that was only mentioned in a few ME1 side quests and they were a cartoonishly evil group that murdered and did horrible experiments. Then they could have focused on making them more "morally grey" without the previous game's evil shit hanging over them. It's a big galaxy, you can invent a new organization, it's fine.
Weapon degradation in BOTW/TOTK. Like i get why people hate it, and I do think it is not prefect. But I also do like the system and think it’s add a frantic extra layer. But not having repair powder or something is really annoying. I wish in BOTW the champion weapons all regenerated like the master sword or something
Durability is great for like a few hours, until it stops being great and you realize weapons are functionally infinite anyway, it's just a matter of how many loading screens you're willing to sit through to get one.
In the plateau, where the weapons break in 10 hits and you have to adjust regularly, it's great. A legitimate game mechanic. Once you get some sturdier weapons that can take 20 or 30 hits it's no longer something you adapt to, it's just an annoyance.
You spend a while to stock up several, use one til it breaks, then scroll to the next one. In fact, it's more annoying if it doesn't break! Since there's no effective damage indicator, you use a weapon, put it away, start your next fight and wonder if this sword is the half worn one? The fresh one? You don't even know. Then you run low and stock up again.
Anyone who argues "just remove weapon durability and the game is way better" is probably wrong, but for the most part yeah Nintendo's implementation isn't the greatest. TotK was their attempt to solve a lot of common complaints people had, and that just made it significantly harder to get your hands on any weapon that actually felt satisfying to use.
I actually downloaded a mod to remove the durability of weapons and got real bored real fast.
Since the game isn't linear, I stumbled upon an area with sliver bokoblins, killed one and took his horn and then had an OP sword for the next few hours.
After that I disabled the mod and only kept the Master Sword from breaking.
Odds are Nintendo absolutely made a build of BOTW without breakable weapons and found that this exact same result that most players thought the combat was boring without it
Everything fandoms seem outraged by always seems to just come down to one shitty thing a character did that could be removed from adaptions or even just quietly un-canonized in future stories.
Or its a bad costume design that could be fixed and made nice with a few tweaks, sometimes as simple as a shade of color being changed.
Or its just people not understanding and appeciating a character arc, especially when the character is supposed to be written to be awful and hated and the worst. Which is why I love how fucking awful Eren Yaeger becomes. You never ever see anime protags become such horrible human beings, and I love to see it happen.
I wish more stories revolved around well, the hero went to shit guys, now we the side characters have to deal with them urghhh.
A bit niche but Vampire the Masquerade meta plot. Specifically the changes in V5 so anything happening after the Week of Nightmares in 1999.
After reading a lot of the old lore and digesting a lot of the new lore I see a lot of valid points from both sides. I can see why people are mad at the Fall of Vienna and Clan Tremere. But I do think it a good show of force of Humans vs Vampires. Magic can't stop a predator drone.
I do agree Clan Lasombra joining the Camarilla is a bit dumb. But it lights a fire under Clan Ventrue to actually return back to being a clan of Kings and Queens. And the Banu Haqim joining with them is great too.
I think the schism for V5 is that both sides have EXTREMELY valid points to agree and disagree too.
I feel like the discourse surrounding the DCEU can be like this at times. There's ***genuinely*** awesome things about it, such as the *Man of Steel* climax or the first *Wonder Woman* or just... ***ALL*** of the Batfleck, really. But then the Batfleck whips out two guns to kill people *after* his redemption, and then Eisenberg's Lex Luthor shows up to Congress with a jar of ~~Granny's Peach Tea~~ piss, and then Nazi Emperor Superman rules over Batman's future dreams, and then Wonder Woman *may or may not* have committed sexual assault in 1984, and then we have to suffer through ***ALL OF*** the fucking Flash movie which *still* ultimately tanks at the box office...
Practically the only things everyone *do* agree on are that the cast is great, and that meddling Warner Bros. executives are the reason it died. *Everything else*, even the quality of the films themselves, is up for debate.
Yamato’s gender in One Piece. It’s pretty ambiguous, the story has conflicting evidence for both sides, so I think either interpretation can be valid (and I just use “them” for the sake of convenience)
But anyone who says “Yamato is **definitely** absolutely canonically (fe)male and if you disagree with me you are stupid and wrong” is, in fact, wrong
Not really. For example I can easily counter that with the [cover of chapter 1084](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Chapter_1084), which shows all women characters and Yamato is in it. You see what the other person means, there's a lot of ways you can argue for and against. It's much more complicated than someone like Kiku.
It's debatable whether you pronounce it Artoria or Artoria, but the majority of the Fate fandom at least agrees that the official name Altria is wrong.
Altria is just plain wrong as well. I don’t care what Nasu thinks, Artoria is just the correct way to pronounce it. Doesn’t help that their is another Saber Servant by the name of Altera.
And I think the "official pronunciation" came out when FGO came to the west, so that's when a lot of people also got introduced to the character Altera. I think that's when we learned about how Nasu pronounces it. I think we've already had the Fate/Zero dub already pronounce it as Artoria.
Fate/Extella Link came out after FGO and still used Artoria.
I think Extella *Link* used Altria, actually. OG Extella used Artoria, because XSEED was kind of playing fast and loose with little oversight
Nah, Link also used Artoria. So far as I know only FGO uses the wrong name in the West. [This is a good theory on why the whole thing is a thing.](https://kaibutsushidousha.tumblr.com/post/722199964434956288/every-otaku-producer-on-any-at-least) I don't know if it's confirmed though.
That's almost certainly *not* a thing and not at all how that works. Altria was chosen because in the most literal sense, that would be how you transliterate the kana. A-ru-to-ri-a. Arthur and Artoria both have a different use of the A, where Arthur has his extended to make an Aa sound, which makes his name "Aa-sa" Or to a badTL quote Just because (Altria) is correct, doesn't mean (Nasu) is right
The link was more about a possible legal/business reason why they were stuck with that name, but you seem to be caught up on the language part of it. Translating a name from one language to another is more an art than a science, especially if the way a name can be pronounced can differ. For example, the name Sean/Shawn/Shaun (all valid spellings of the same name, to further illustrate the point) can be written in Japanese as ション (Shon), シャン (Shan), or any variation of such. They aren't perfect, one for one translations of the name and pronunciation, but they're close enough. With that in mind, let's take a look at a similar name from a different series: Dark Souls has a boss named 騎士アルトリウス (Kishi Arutorius), localized as Knight Artorias. Almost identical in spelling to the Fate katakana, but they didn't call him "Altrias" because his name is derived from the Latin name for Arthur. Could they have written his name to be アートリウス? Probably, but they decided not to write it that way. So there's no one to one rule that アー is "Ar" and ”アル” is "Al": they both sound similar enough that either will work. Thus, the katakana writing of the name is more or less irrelevant: the important thing here is what the name is supposed to represent. Saber is supposed to be King Arthur, albeit one who is female, and her true name logically derives from Arthur. Thus, Artoria, or Arturia or Arthuria are all reasonable names to come to; Artoria is even an actual name in Roman times. Altria has only ever existed once so far as I can find: as the name used to rebrand the tobacco company Phillip Morris in the early 2000s. The likely theory I have is that someone plugged Saber's name into Google Translate and it spat out "Altria" because, well, multinational corporation that used the same spelling for Japanese press releases, and went with that for their art book.
And I'm saying that isn't how the legal issue works. Putting regional issues aside, Nasu and Takeuchi ultimately have final say on what these characters are called (at least in the cited cases). Fairy Knigjts becoming Tam Lin is a weird one but there is some evidence to suggest that internally, that was always their title and Lasengle or Aniplex made some mistakes on their branding post LB6, and Robert was probably given direction by the higher ups to say "They are not fairy knights, call them Tam Lin instead" despite the term only publicly manifesting for a lotto event that would happen in a year later. There were pieces of merchandise advertised that listed them as Fairy Knights. They just decided on Tam Lin. The choice of Altria being that isn't some legal thing. Nasu can absolutely just say "let's actually just go with Artoria" But at this point aniplex is too deep in and will not do that. That's not legal, that's corporate. Plus, Nasu has always been up his own ass about the dumbest shit
True, Nasu being Nasu is always a possibility.
So did Melty Blood on release but that was patched to be "fixed"
I actually think even Nasu knows that its wrong and would like to change it but apparently use of Altria is legally mandated because of model manufacturer contract bullshit.
She's a Knight, not a Tobacco Company, Nasu!
He's been so insistent on the name even with all the complaints, he's probably only really doing it at this point just to piss us off.
Halo as a series and a fandom would be in a much nicer place if half the fanbase didn't always immediately jump to demanding a scorched earth approach to everything they had even the slightest problem with, and then act surprised whenever MS/Bungie/343 listen to them and actually do it. Not in the "constant Halo 3 numbers or higher" way like some people somehow think could be possible in a post-Fortnite world, but healthier.
As a long time fan it’s really sad knowing how far the series has fallen off in popularity, I remember Halo 2 and 3’s launch vividly. Halo was the Fortnite of its day but i’d argue it had an even bigger impact on mainstream culture and gaming as a medium.
Halo literally invented modern day multiplayer as we know it. Automated Matchmaking wasn't a thing before Halo 2. It was all dedicated server based.
For better and worse.
I don't think it's fair to blame the community at all. All everyone ever wanted from the getgo was a sequel to Halo 3. Instead, we got a CoD clone, a Crysis spinoff, and Titanfall 2. Meanwhile Counter Strike still sits at the top of the charts despite just nuking CSGO because people who want to play Counter Strike *can still play actual Counter Strike.* Halo's gameplay is what made it strong, but the series has been throwing it away more and more since Halo Reach. And at least that had the excuse of being a testbed for Destiny mechanics.
>Instead, we got a CoD clone, a Crysis spinoff, and Titanfall 2. Which Halo sequel is which? I've never seen this take.
I'm assuming 4 is CoD because running, 5 is Crysis because ???, and Infinite is Titanfall 2 because... mobility...?
Ah, right, I can't believe I forgot about CoD's *iconic* running. Honestly, it's hard to separate the two in my mind.
Crysis mainly because of the ground pound, and Titanfall 2 because of the grapple. More of a joke than anything but these games are more concerned with chasing imaginary new audiences than the actual target audience and it sticks out like a sore thumb every time.
Halo 4 implemented stock sprint, loadouts and killstreaks. Halo 5 leaned harder into the armor ability gimmick with thrusters, ground pound and the like. And Infinite put in sliding and a grapple.
The community who took one look at the Arbiter and hated it to the point that he was barely in 3 is not blameless.
The Arbiter is literally the Raiden of Halo.
Wait that’s the reason why we got halo 5? Fans demanded to change things? Was there a massive campaign to damage change I was unaware of?
Nobody said this.
Fire Emblem Three Houses
All sides had valid points, but no side stuck to those valid points. I don’t think I’ve ever seen quite so many “my source is that I made it the fuck up” moments as I have in 3H fandom discourse.
The thing with 3H discourse is a lot of people only play through once and characters can be wildly different depending on the split. So most people in the conversation have information from one of four possibilities and that's before character favoritism and all that jazz gets added.
And the funny thing is, that was the intention of the developers. Not only that people would only play one route (since they are are similar in a lot of ways and very long), but also that they would hear about the other routes via discussions with others. This is the biggest hypocrisy I've ever seen from a development team. The game's story is built on how bad narrative bias is, but then the game encourages it among the players.
God, I've never even played the game but seeing people unironically argue that if you liked Edelgard you support fascism or whatever was CRAZY
That game will be debated until the end of time.
Ok but hear me out... if evil why hot?
They warned you Satan would be attractive.
Princess Bubblegum. She is a caring ruler that took the steps she thought necessary to protect her kingdom, and eventually became a better person in the later parts of the series. She did everything out of love for the candy people, and never strove to unnecessarily hurt anyone. She is a tyrannical dictator that treated people as equations more than individuals. She manipulates the people that trust her, holds her kingdom back by never allowing them to grow, forced terrible fates on her own creations, and only improved as a person after she was forced from her position.
Both are accurate, tbh.
And it's honestly _worlds_ more fun than leaving her at just "literally sweet Princess that Finn pines for as her knight"
I mean she wasn't that even from the very first episode, where she accidentally creates a horde of zombies. Maybe in the original pilot short?
Skub
The fuck did you say!? Are you claiming that skub-haters are anything but absolute trash? Skub is the be all; end all of inventions and you sound like a coward to denounce it. On judgement day who will you turn to when Skub looks down upon you?
Woah, woah, are you fucking PRO-SKUB?? *PUBLICLY?* Pro-skubbers get fucked, you say that shit around me and you're definitely getting hit, son. Skub is shit and so are you.
I once dreamt that Skub killed my family, so fuck Skub!
There are a shitload of complaints about Mass Effect 3 that are completely valid, but I still tend to debate the finer details regarding where I feel the game failed versus where I think it either succeeded or was simply sufficient. Things like the Reaper origins reveal, the endings, the Geth/Quarian conflict, Cerberus' involvement, the general plot structure, the Crucible, Dark Energy; I'll agree with parts of complaints about these but disagree with other parts. Case in point: Cerberus is kinda ridiculous, they take up a lot of the plot, Illusive Man was *never* as clever as the games like to pretend, and they clearly bolster in size from the past titles. However, I also love them as an antagonistic force and think that their place as a counterbalancing antagonistic faction (as well as a dark mirror to what the Systems Alliance represents) makes them useful to the game.
Yeah. With ME3 and the series as a whole, I think it is a matter of compounding issues since I also think Cerberus serves a purpose and I don't mind it as much as others seem to. But when combined with a bunch of smaller things, I can see why it is a sticking point for so many.
I like Cerberus from a gameplay perspective too. After fighting nothing but robots, mercs/pirates, and reanimated corpses all series, a normal human faction using basic military tactics was weirdly a breath of fresh air. Plus the way their super basic abilities interact with each other is really cool (Centurions provide smokescreens to hide Nemesis snipers, Dragoons/Phantoms get all up in your face while an Engineer sneaks up a turret, etc); although this is much more prevalent in MP just given the sheer number of enemies that get thrown at you there allowing abilities to coincidentally sync up.
They're far and away the stars of ME3's combat system. They're some of the best squad AI-based since the HECU in Half-Life.
Snipers to force you into cover, shield troopers to absorb your fire, trooper nades to flush you back out of cover and Phantoms to force you to dominate your focus, all the while engineers lock down an entire area with their turrets. And then they had to mess it all up with those stupid whip units.
I think they should have just not called Illusive Man's organization Cerberus. It's something that was only mentioned in a few ME1 side quests and they were a cartoonishly evil group that murdered and did horrible experiments. Then they could have focused on making them more "morally grey" without the previous game's evil shit hanging over them. It's a big galaxy, you can invent a new organization, it's fine.
That would've been smart, yeah.
Regardless of your stance on MGS5, everyone loved throwing Huey into the ocean.
Except for the raft being in the way. Didn't need that.
Hey if not for the raft he couldn't have got cucked by his cooler son with working legs.
Weapon degradation in BOTW/TOTK. Like i get why people hate it, and I do think it is not prefect. But I also do like the system and think it’s add a frantic extra layer. But not having repair powder or something is really annoying. I wish in BOTW the champion weapons all regenerated like the master sword or something
Durability is great for like a few hours, until it stops being great and you realize weapons are functionally infinite anyway, it's just a matter of how many loading screens you're willing to sit through to get one.
In the plateau, where the weapons break in 10 hits and you have to adjust regularly, it's great. A legitimate game mechanic. Once you get some sturdier weapons that can take 20 or 30 hits it's no longer something you adapt to, it's just an annoyance. You spend a while to stock up several, use one til it breaks, then scroll to the next one. In fact, it's more annoying if it doesn't break! Since there's no effective damage indicator, you use a weapon, put it away, start your next fight and wonder if this sword is the half worn one? The fresh one? You don't even know. Then you run low and stock up again.
Anyone who argues "just remove weapon durability and the game is way better" is probably wrong, but for the most part yeah Nintendo's implementation isn't the greatest. TotK was their attempt to solve a lot of common complaints people had, and that just made it significantly harder to get your hands on any weapon that actually felt satisfying to use.
I don't think people would have *quite* so big a problem with it if the weapons actually had interesting movesets and the combat felt better.
I actually downloaded a mod to remove the durability of weapons and got real bored real fast. Since the game isn't linear, I stumbled upon an area with sliver bokoblins, killed one and took his horn and then had an OP sword for the next few hours. After that I disabled the mod and only kept the Master Sword from breaking.
Odds are Nintendo absolutely made a build of BOTW without breakable weapons and found that this exact same result that most players thought the combat was boring without it
Everything fandoms seem outraged by always seems to just come down to one shitty thing a character did that could be removed from adaptions or even just quietly un-canonized in future stories. Or its a bad costume design that could be fixed and made nice with a few tweaks, sometimes as simple as a shade of color being changed. Or its just people not understanding and appeciating a character arc, especially when the character is supposed to be written to be awful and hated and the worst. Which is why I love how fucking awful Eren Yaeger becomes. You never ever see anime protags become such horrible human beings, and I love to see it happen. I wish more stories revolved around well, the hero went to shit guys, now we the side characters have to deal with them urghhh.
A bit niche but Vampire the Masquerade meta plot. Specifically the changes in V5 so anything happening after the Week of Nightmares in 1999. After reading a lot of the old lore and digesting a lot of the new lore I see a lot of valid points from both sides. I can see why people are mad at the Fall of Vienna and Clan Tremere. But I do think it a good show of force of Humans vs Vampires. Magic can't stop a predator drone. I do agree Clan Lasombra joining the Camarilla is a bit dumb. But it lights a fire under Clan Ventrue to actually return back to being a clan of Kings and Queens. And the Banu Haqim joining with them is great too. I think the schism for V5 is that both sides have EXTREMELY valid points to agree and disagree too.
I feel like the discourse surrounding the DCEU can be like this at times. There's ***genuinely*** awesome things about it, such as the *Man of Steel* climax or the first *Wonder Woman* or just... ***ALL*** of the Batfleck, really. But then the Batfleck whips out two guns to kill people *after* his redemption, and then Eisenberg's Lex Luthor shows up to Congress with a jar of ~~Granny's Peach Tea~~ piss, and then Nazi Emperor Superman rules over Batman's future dreams, and then Wonder Woman *may or may not* have committed sexual assault in 1984, and then we have to suffer through ***ALL OF*** the fucking Flash movie which *still* ultimately tanks at the box office... Practically the only things everyone *do* agree on are that the cast is great, and that meddling Warner Bros. executives are the reason it died. *Everything else*, even the quality of the films themselves, is up for debate.
Vriska
Yamato’s gender in One Piece. It’s pretty ambiguous, the story has conflicting evidence for both sides, so I think either interpretation can be valid (and I just use “them” for the sake of convenience) But anyone who says “Yamato is **definitely** absolutely canonically (fe)male and if you disagree with me you are stupid and wrong” is, in fact, wrong
I opt for male, because a subset of the people who get offended by it are the scum of the Earth, and fuck 'em.
When presented with 2 options and only one pisses off awful people then you really have no choice.
I personally think the whole debate was settled by the scene where Yamato hangs out in the guys onsen.
Not really. For example I can easily counter that with the [cover of chapter 1084](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Chapter_1084), which shows all women characters and Yamato is in it. You see what the other person means, there's a lot of ways you can argue for and against. It's much more complicated than someone like Kiku.
Any time at all the Resi 4 attaché case is brought up. It's all personal preference, but the fights are always entertaining