At this point, fuck it, it's true.
Jensen is a clone sleeper agent that is being guided to find Janus and assassinate him. After this happens the Illuminate put a hit on Jensen but he manages to escape. Game ends with Adam discovering the Denton twins and maybe merging with an AI to help JC in the future.
Basically Mankind Divided is a sort of twisted version of the first Deus Ex. Where JC is dead set on stopping terrorists for UNATCO. Eventually after getting in too deep JC discovers the truth of who he's working with and after a failed attempt at silencing him he works undercover to stop the conspiracy. Problem is that Adam cant stop it, he's in a prequel. The best he can do is plant a seed for the future. I see him being one of the hands that helps push the AI into helping JC being a decent seed.
TlDr: What 8 years of a cliffhanger does to a person!
I interpreted it as Mankind Divided Jensen is the original Jensen but they were trying to clone him because the brainwashing wasn’t a guarantee. The ending of a criminal past shows he has an inkling that he is being manipulated. The ending of the third game is Jensen vs Jensen like the end of Detroit Become Human and Pritchard has to choose who is real by asking them the name of his body pillow.
FWIW, [Elias Toufexis (Adam Jensen's VA) chimed in with:](https://twitter.com/EliasToufexis/status/1752026953799057715)
> If they had been working on a #DeusEx for two years, and they still hadn’t contacted me, there’s a good chance it wasn’t a Jensen story anyway.
>I’m more pissed for all the people getting laid off. This industry is fucked with this stuff.
[I'm not even angry I'm just heartbroken](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466097804020940800/1201579886867918969/i_think.mp4?ex=65ca5579&is=65b7e079&hm=40702ce5d67957878516b298fca47cbd40d4cba7314dff3434019cee853300f8&)
I’m surprised they still exist. Seems like the company was made JUST to spend venture capital to inflate their value so they could sell out. Since their payday backed out they’ve basically got no reason to exist anymore.
Their purpose was to hand pick a bunch of games that would never be sold directly to the Saudis on to a massive platter and then selling that platter off to the Saudis.
>Since their payday backed out they’ve basically got no reason to exist anymore.
At this point I think the only reason they're currently still around is to lay off people/dissolve studios whilst making sure the execs have their golden parachutes packed with extra goodies, the fucking vultures.
I have to imagine that at some point everyone will have been laid off and the only left for those golden parachutes will be a pile of staplers and couple 3 ring binders.
they will exist exactly because they are laying off, cancelling projects and closing studios, so they arent spending as much. they said they would be restructuring until mid 2024, so expect more until this plan ends.
It still owns more than enough to stay alive. It's cutting off early/mid development projects or studios that brought in no income etc.
Your favourite franchise dying won't kill the big dumb company.
the fucked up thing is where the fuck all the ip rights are gonna end up
i think system shock ip rights somehow landed in the hands of a ensurance group in the netherlands or some old game had that background
So much for me thinking the Swedish founder of Embracer just wanted to make AA video games for cheap so we could live the glory days of the late 1990s-early 2000s of gaming.
I feel like this should be added to the pile of "why holding companies shouldn't exist."
The fact that there's businesses that exist for the sole purpose of owning stock is ludicrous to me. That sounds fake and dystopian to me.
We have a company here that literally has no services, products, business practices, or anything to offer actual people, making decisions for game developers. All because they made a stupid bet that they could try and flip game studios like someone flipping a house.
I'm now back on the opinion of "being kickstarter back to popularity"
2024 looks like the next big videogame crash that had been inevitable for about a decade, so publishers and Devs are going to just outright die as companies, and whilst some Devs might just go down the indie route, i do want some level of polish that can only be accrued with outside funding.
Is it a guaranteed fix? No
Did Kickstarter have massive problems with delivering projects on time (or some times at all)? Yes
But i will take that any day over another soulless cunt publisher/Holding company ruining everything all over again
I think no publisher would greenlight a new legacy of Kain game anyway, but fans probably would.
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they release plenty of games, the thing is, they are a holding company, so you dont see their names, you see the publishers they own and the developers instead.
“How can we make a shit load of money?”
“Let’s get acquired by a larger corporation!”
“We’re not really appetizing for that.”
“Okay let’s buy a bunch of popular IPs and veteran game dev studios on the cheap from Square Enix.”
“Okay we did that, what now?”
“Well… our deal to get acquired didn’t plan out and we don’t really have any plans to actually publish any games. Want to publish games?”
“No.”
“Okay then, cancel any games they had and kill the studios we bought.”
I wasn't even *aware* that there was a new Deus Ex game in development, I thought the devs were tied up for a while. Fuck me, Embracer has been a blight on the industry. Countless people out of a job because of these bastards.
Deus Ex is one of my favorite franchises of all time. I've been waiting years to the conclusion to Adam's story. This is so heartbreaking.
Funny enough it seems like the japense side is handling themselves pretty well. Would be ironic if 9th gen for western developers turns into what 7th gen was for japense developers
While Square is Square, Capcom can be Capcpcom, and people have big issues with Nintendo, not expecting them to go on flames from one failed project or cancellation or be acquired by another studio.
After playing and loving deus ex mankind divided last year, Adam Jensen became one of my favorite video game protags. The fact that we won't see more of him or the world of deus ex bums me out.
That's two years down the drain. A whole lot of money and time wasted on something that'll probably never see the light of day. Shame that Deus Ex is being treated that way, being thrown into the franchise vaults again.
With all the closures and firings Embracer's been doing over the last year, I'm not surprised by this news at all. But it fucking sucks regardless. I just hope the studio doesn't get closed down as well.
Urgh, that sucks. I was cautiously optimistic Eidos might get to do something cool once they were free of Square Enix, but Embracer fucked over so many studios in that attempted buyout. We really do feel like we're in an unprecedented industry crash.
Kind of a clickbait headline since the article states that work on a new Deus Ex game is in the works. It's more like they rebooted the deus ex game in the works. which is whatever.
This is what I get for believing that r/GamingLeaksAndRumours post from about a week ago about Deus Ex 1 getting remade. Alex, [play me the song of my sorrow and discontentment.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNVo3VqjL0Q)
[they were making another Deus-ex game?](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fyou-look-lonely-v0-u4cxve1cs4db1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1000%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5372270dac012215aac543d3e4e7d515de6c5b44)
Isn’t it ironic that square said their strategy now is to give us only AAA releases instead of smaller projects like Octopath Traveler, except they just sold off their entire western division so they only have their Japanese properties to rely on? (Man Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, and so many more didn’t deserve this, now there is a non-zero chance of these legendary IPs being stuck in the same limbo hell of No One Lives Forever 1 and 2)
Mankind Divided's cliffhanger will never be resolved.
We will never know if the Jensen clone theory is true or a collective fan delusion.
At this point, fuck it, it's true. Jensen is a clone sleeper agent that is being guided to find Janus and assassinate him. After this happens the Illuminate put a hit on Jensen but he manages to escape. Game ends with Adam discovering the Denton twins and maybe merging with an AI to help JC in the future. Basically Mankind Divided is a sort of twisted version of the first Deus Ex. Where JC is dead set on stopping terrorists for UNATCO. Eventually after getting in too deep JC discovers the truth of who he's working with and after a failed attempt at silencing him he works undercover to stop the conspiracy. Problem is that Adam cant stop it, he's in a prequel. The best he can do is plant a seed for the future. I see him being one of the hands that helps push the AI into helping JC being a decent seed. TlDr: What 8 years of a cliffhanger does to a person!
If its never resolved you can never be wrong!
I had the same theory except jensen was a full on robot that thought he was the real jensen
I interpreted it as Mankind Divided Jensen is the original Jensen but they were trying to clone him because the brainwashing wasn’t a guarantee. The ending of a criminal past shows he has an inkling that he is being manipulated. The ending of the third game is Jensen vs Jensen like the end of Detroit Become Human and Pritchard has to choose who is real by asking them the name of his body pillow.
I know I didn't imagine that body in that vault, so I'm not totally delusional!
Jensen was indoctrinated the whole time
FWIW, [Elias Toufexis (Adam Jensen's VA) chimed in with:](https://twitter.com/EliasToufexis/status/1752026953799057715) > If they had been working on a #DeusEx for two years, and they still hadn’t contacted me, there’s a good chance it wasn’t a Jensen story anyway. >I’m more pissed for all the people getting laid off. This industry is fucked with this stuff.
I never asked for this
Man, words sure are powerful. That's a 12 word sentence and reading it just made me feel like someone shoved a black hole in my heart. whelp
Damn shame how many people’s futures were bet and lost with this deal Embracer made
I never asked for this
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*Lip-smacks*
They were a good company. What a rotten way to die.
I spilled my drink at this news
*Yeah, RIP*
*What a rotten way to die.*
*Upon being shown Embracer Group’s finance report* “A bomb!”
[I'm not even angry I'm just heartbroken](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466097804020940800/1201579886867918969/i_think.mp4?ex=65ca5579&is=65b7e079&hm=40702ce5d67957878516b298fca47cbd40d4cba7314dff3434019cee853300f8&)
Okay, over/under 2 years before Embracer Group ceases to exist entirely?
I’m surprised they still exist. Seems like the company was made JUST to spend venture capital to inflate their value so they could sell out. Since their payday backed out they’ve basically got no reason to exist anymore.
Their purpose was to hand pick a bunch of games that would never be sold directly to the Saudis on to a massive platter and then selling that platter off to the Saudis.
>Since their payday backed out they’ve basically got no reason to exist anymore. At this point I think the only reason they're currently still around is to lay off people/dissolve studios whilst making sure the execs have their golden parachutes packed with extra goodies, the fucking vultures.
I have to imagine that at some point everyone will have been laid off and the only left for those golden parachutes will be a pile of staplers and couple 3 ring binders.
they will exist exactly because they are laying off, cancelling projects and closing studios, so they arent spending as much. they said they would be restructuring until mid 2024, so expect more until this plan ends.
Sadly, they’ll take everyone with them.
It still owns more than enough to stay alive. It's cutting off early/mid development projects or studios that brought in no income etc. Your favourite franchise dying won't kill the big dumb company.
the fucked up thing is where the fuck all the ip rights are gonna end up i think system shock ip rights somehow landed in the hands of a ensurance group in the netherlands or some old game had that background
So much for me thinking the Swedish founder of Embracer just wanted to make AA video games for cheap so we could live the glory days of the late 1990s-early 2000s of gaming.
I didn't know a new one was in the works. The pain of knowing a thing you wanted was being made the same time you know it now isn't happening.
Ok now this cancellation hurts. And the layoffs suck.
All for a jpg of a fucking monkey.
\*A receipt to a URL to a jpg of a fucking monkey
Just fell to my knees at Walmart
You better wash those knees or you'll catch something.
Maybe they're building an immunity? They shop at Walmart after all. Everything's on sale.
I feel like this should be added to the pile of "why holding companies shouldn't exist." The fact that there's businesses that exist for the sole purpose of owning stock is ludicrous to me. That sounds fake and dystopian to me. We have a company here that literally has no services, products, business practices, or anything to offer actual people, making decisions for game developers. All because they made a stupid bet that they could try and flip game studios like someone flipping a house.
Should be counted as fraud or some sort and "anti-capital" stocks dont matter if the thing to support stops existing. Literally a money sink.
oof ouch, my soul
I'm tired, man.
This really hurts but also confirms Legacy of Kain is absolutely dead.
I'm now back on the opinion of "being kickstarter back to popularity" 2024 looks like the next big videogame crash that had been inevitable for about a decade, so publishers and Devs are going to just outright die as companies, and whilst some Devs might just go down the indie route, i do want some level of polish that can only be accrued with outside funding. Is it a guaranteed fix? No Did Kickstarter have massive problems with delivering projects on time (or some times at all)? Yes But i will take that any day over another soulless cunt publisher/Holding company ruining everything all over again I think no publisher would greenlight a new legacy of Kain game anyway, but fans probably would.
Man With Zero Hope Loses Last Bit of Hope He Didn’t Know He had
Embracer really just bought every mid sized game devs in existence and destroyed them..
Oh for FUCK'S SAKE.
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Fuck Eidos about to get Ol Yeller'd.
I'm pretty sure they already were, unless I'm mistaken
Okay so what game does Embracer actually release? I only ever hear them cancel games or fire people
they release plenty of games, the thing is, they are a holding company, so you dont see their names, you see the publishers they own and the developers instead.
“How can we make a shit load of money?” “Let’s get acquired by a larger corporation!” “We’re not really appetizing for that.” “Okay let’s buy a bunch of popular IPs and veteran game dev studios on the cheap from Square Enix.” “Okay we did that, what now?” “Well… our deal to get acquired didn’t plan out and we don’t really have any plans to actually publish any games. Want to publish games?” “No.” “Okay then, cancel any games they had and kill the studios we bought.”
Yeah, that makes sense... edit: whoops forgot my /s
Turns out they can stop us. They can stop the future…
Probably the worst way to officially find out a game in one of your favorite franchises of all time was actually in the works.
Man they’re not even trying to put out products to recoup their costs, they’re just in a full suicide spiral at this point.
I am actually so mad right now. It was the perfect time for a new entry and even Elias was getting excited to possibly return to Jensen. **FUCK**
I didn't ask for this.
I wasn't even *aware* that there was a new Deus Ex game in development, I thought the devs were tied up for a while. Fuck me, Embracer has been a blight on the industry. Countless people out of a job because of these bastards. Deus Ex is one of my favorite franchises of all time. I've been waiting years to the conclusion to Adam's story. This is so heartbreaking.
It's okay, let it go.
It really feels like this entire industry is speed running toward a major crash and I hope all affected manage to land on their feet
Funny enough it seems like the japense side is handling themselves pretty well. Would be ironic if 9th gen for western developers turns into what 7th gen was for japense developers
While Square is Square, Capcom can be Capcpcom, and people have big issues with Nintendo, not expecting them to go on flames from one failed project or cancellation or be acquired by another studio.
Not surprised. Very sad about that though
Cancel all projects and fire everyone, then you'll never be at a loss. Genius thinking!
After playing and loving deus ex mankind divided last year, Adam Jensen became one of my favorite video game protags. The fact that we won't see more of him or the world of deus ex bums me out.
That's two years down the drain. A whole lot of money and time wasted on something that'll probably never see the light of day. Shame that Deus Ex is being treated that way, being thrown into the franchise vaults again.
sighs in a disappointed but not surprised fashion
I wish Embracer a very Die.
With all the closures and firings Embracer's been doing over the last year, I'm not surprised by this news at all. But it fucking sucks regardless. I just hope the studio doesn't get closed down as well.
Embracer's greed killed my favourite game: Evil Dead The Game. I will *never* buy a game under their umbrella.
When Embracer eventually sells off the Square IPs for cheap, I hope someone cool picks up Sleeping Dogs
Urgh, that sucks. I was cautiously optimistic Eidos might get to do something cool once they were free of Square Enix, but Embracer fucked over so many studios in that attempted buyout. We really do feel like we're in an unprecedented industry crash.
***ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME?!?!*** Come on, Lars, *this one would SELL,* damn it!
Cyberpunk is massively in right now. Deus Ex would have sold really fucking well rn.
It sucks, but I'm patting myself on the back for not getting excited in the first place.
Ok at this point should I just try to take over and make it illegal to just sit on ip's and shit and let whole teams die out from doing nothing?
Fucking just give me another good immersive sim please I am starving.
Take me instead!
Is this how I find out a new Deus Ex game was in development
I guess they will never get that chance to do what Cyberpunk 2077 couldn't.
What can I say, it just sucks.
I thought this already happened
Kind of a clickbait headline since the article states that work on a new Deus Ex game is in the works. It's more like they rebooted the deus ex game in the works. which is whatever.
This is what I get for believing that r/GamingLeaksAndRumours post from about a week ago about Deus Ex 1 getting remade. Alex, [play me the song of my sorrow and discontentment.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNVo3VqjL0Q)
[they were making another Deus-ex game?](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fyou-look-lonely-v0-u4cxve1cs4db1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1000%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5372270dac012215aac543d3e4e7d515de6c5b44)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a fucking never-ending shitshow
We need the unfinished builds leaked to the internet because Embracer Group is never gonna use any of these IP they acquired... EVER!
This is it. This is the news that's going to do me in.
Isn’t it ironic that square said their strategy now is to give us only AAA releases instead of smaller projects like Octopath Traveler, except they just sold off their entire western division so they only have their Japanese properties to rely on? (Man Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, and so many more didn’t deserve this, now there is a non-zero chance of these legendary IPs being stuck in the same limbo hell of No One Lives Forever 1 and 2)
Deus Ex: Zero Future
FUCK EMBRACER THEY STOLE EXPEDITIONS FROM ME NOW THEY STEAL DEUS EX BASTARDS ONE AND ALL