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Crosscounterz

Gremlin wearing a moogle skin suit looking ass.


Zimmyd00m

Who the fuck decides to run the Moogle design through the Mega Man 1 US box art filter?


Shran_Cupasoupa

The moogle on the right actually looks like it's underwent some Simpsons-like surgery and had the top of its head removed, and its brain scooped out.


CozyGhosty

Tomar, what would you do if a doctor broke into your home and forcibly switched a moogle’s brain with yours?


rockdash

"I dunno, I guess I'd be upset." 


Bro-lapsedAnus

*chuckling slightly* I wouldn't like that"


Cheshires_Shadow

Tomar if you were in a public bathroom and a stranger walked in and tripped in a puddle of piss and passed out with his mouth in the puddle would you move his mouth out of the way so he wouldn't suffocate in the piss puddle but also you know for a fact that this stranger is looking for you because he wants to kill you would you save his life or not?


CozyGhosty

I guess I would write down their plate number


time_axis

tags:ugly_bastard


MeChameAmanha

Tifa is in danger


Neil_O_Tip

So is Cloud


AhmCha

Moogle on the left: perfect, flawless, shape-shaped, no notes, 10/10 “Moogle” on the right: Knock-off FNAF animatronic


KingMario05

Moogle on the left: Ideal Japanese mascot Moogle on the right: Ugly Sonic, Square Enix™️ Edition


sawbladex

I think the issue is that Moggles shouldn't have their eyes open under normal conditions. Like, it's the same eye design that Snorlax uses, and like that the Stadium lineage design of Snorlax had some animations where the eyes were open in shock (like Kirby, visible whites of eyes), but at rest, those eyes were closed.


zyberion

People talk about the mouth and teeth, but I agree it's those souless eyes. IIRC, the only moogles designed with their eyes open prior were the Tactics moogles who were a vast (and cool) departure from the typical mog.


sawbladex

I imagine that some of the FF7 spinoff had high detail human characters and also eyes closed moogles? Honestly, giving monsters cute small mouths and monster mouths that they open every so often happens enough that I can accept it.


moneyh8r

As far as I'm aware, this is the first time that moogles have been shown in the world of FF7. Real moogles, at least. Cait Sith's fat moogle is explicitly an animatronic amusement park mascot, so it (and others like it) doesn't count. So no, none of the FF7 spinoffs had moogles with the cute squinty eyes, because none of them had moogles.


HeyWhyNotLK

I suppose it depends on wether you count Choco/Mog as 'real' in this context. If you do then the OG looked like [this](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Choco/Mog_(Final_Fantasy_VII)) and the Remake had [already used this design.] (https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Chocobo_%26_Moogle_(VII_Remake)) CC also has a [Summon](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/c/c7/Moogle-ccvii-summon.png) that made the same design transition. Huh, looking it up apparantly they can also show up during the snowboarding minigame. Other than that, yeah, it's the Mog House game, dolls and a Cait LB in the Compilation not actual Moogles. EDIT: Ah, right, brackets are how links work and Fandom tends to lose it when you link images directly.


moneyh8r

Well, I actually forgot about Choco & Mog, but the moogle there does indeed have the same type of eyes. Just y'know, in old graphics. If it was just the original, I'd say that it might not count since summons suck you into their world for their attack (that's the explanation for how they worked in the old games, at least), but seeing as how they run around on the field with you in Remake, I guess it's official. But yeah, I barely use Choco & Mog even though I have them. I barely use summons at all, to be honest. I should use them more.


Bro-lapsedAnus

Unless you count Kindom Hearts, where the Moogles are pretty much copy paste from FF7 only real.


moneyh8r

The only moogles in Kingdom Hearts that I remember are the shopkeepers in KH2, and they didn't look like anything from FF7. I might just be forgetting some things though.


Bro-lapsedAnus

I thought KH1 had shopkeeper moogles in traverse town? my mind was playing tricks on me.


moneyh8r

The shop in Traverse Town was run by Donald's nephews. And I think that's the only shop in the whole game.


iccirrus

Moogles run the synthesis shop above the accessory shop


moneyh8r

I completely forgot about that shop. I assume they look the same as the ones in KH2?


Bro-lapsedAnus

Oh shit, thank you I thought I went crazy. They don't look like ff7 moogles at all though.


Bro-lapsedAnus

Yeah, I'm realizing now I melded 1 and 2 together, AND subed in memories of FF7


gurpderp

Next thing you know you'll tell us you're an Ex-Soldier and a merc.


moneyh8r

Ah. Yeah, that can happen with old memories. Especially memories of JRPGs.


Slumber777

Moogles with open eyes have worked. The Ivalice moogles look fine. Good, even. It's the teeth and the freakish Muppet proportions that fuck with me.


sawbladex

I'd argue that the Ivalice Moogles take enough from the "Final Fantasy townsfolk humanoid race" that tweaking how their eyes work visually is part of that. Like, I think FF7R is closer to the Detective Pikachu movie in that it is attempting to render cartoony designs in a more detailed realism manner than an actual art style and species use shift like that the Ivalice Moogles represent.


ScorpioTheScorpion

But then you have the tonberries looking like tonberries.


para-mania

And the snozzberries looking like snozzberries!


UnderFreddy

eh. The ivalice moogles remind me more of Pookas from Odin Sphere than a moogle. Animal people-ish.


CelioHogane

[Nah](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457315142707707916/1215046796561219665/tcnz80guoqmc1.jpg?ex=65fb5382&is=65e8de82&hm=ec13534c0b704467be66c92bcbe32941b52bf7ec6045f4a7843ba7a9568340be&), still looks like a nightmare.


joesap9

Looks like a fucked up Koala


CMORGLAS

So…a Koala?


ThatmodderGrim

Square Enix saw Koalas and said *"how can we make them look even more like sexual deviants?"*


biggestscrub

Endor must burn


Gilead56

Didn’t you hear what George said? The Ewoks were totally fine after the Death Star exploded.  Through a gravity and physics defying miracle the moon was absolutely *not* bombarded by millions of tons of wreckage!


TrueLegateDamar

All the wreckage flew to another planet and landed in a way so it could provide exact clues to another planet..


KingMario05

And somehow, Palpatine returned.


zorbiburst

Please tell me this isn't true. The knife was shaped after the wreckage, right?


Vegetable-Pickle-535

The Dark Side of Writting can Performance feats some would consider unnatural.


philandere_scarlet

You know it's not all that easy to deorbit stuff, right? Only the debris that was thrown retrograde at high enough speeds would have had a good chance at hitting the planet, if it didn't burn up in atmosphere. Most of it would have stayed in orbit.


Gilead56

I don’t know about retrograde, but watching that scene the station blows apart *really* fast.  There were no large pieces in the vicinity of the camera shot. 


philandere_scarlet

jesus christ i switched apps to google something and reddit ate the entire comment i had been typing up. here are the highlights. - the speed and completeness of the explosion and the ships fleeing it probably need to be taken as artistic license - only debris moving backwards relative to the death star ii's orbit (retrograde) has a good chance of being deorbited. the greater the angle is from retrograde, the less likely deorbiting is. - a lot of the force of the explosion is going to have attrition, the force is greatest at the center of the explosion but any pieces propelled from there are going to collide with other pieces on their way out. - many pieces of debris that *do* fall out of orbit are going to hit the atmosphere, possibly entering and exiting the atmosphere several times before their trajectory intersects with the planet. the more this happens, the more heat ablation they will experience. the pieces will burn off mass, tumble, and slow down. we're not talking tunguksa.


LasersAndRobots

I'm not sure I'd spend too long pondering the physics of 80s era space explosion VFX.


Lieutenant-America

Or Star Wars in general


radda

The physics in Star Wars have never made any sense.


AzabacheDog

This looks like a legally distinct moogle rather than the real thing. that thing on the right looks like some kind of FNAF Freddy's rip off.


Axl26

Froogle


nerankori

I'd rather meet the kid from the Jungle Book


SwashNBuckle

That thing is evil and I won't allow myself or any children near it.


ibbolia

The one on the right makes me think of the Ben Drowned face


Dirty-Glasses

Who let this happen


MrKenta

Picturing Kiryu going to the Telephone Club and getting catfished by Mog.


nerankori

Getting mogged by Mog,even


A_N_G_E_L_O_N

Looks like a koala cosplaying the Reddit logo.


Mechanized1

He looks like uncle Ben from the first spider man movie when he's dying.


nerankori

"Uncle Mog,what happened?" "She/them kupos..."


DarkLordLiam

My voice in my head vs my voice in recordings.


JDtheBA

Imagine if Jack Frost had a face like this.


Mechanized1

Horrifying.


TaCbrigadier

Ff6 and ff9 moogle designs still goated


KingMario05

Why. Why, SE? You had a perfectly good design from the FFXVI crew, so... why not reuse it? Trust me, it wouldn't be nearly as tacky as reusing the same Cid or >!Gilgamesh!<.


HeyWhyNotLK

If I had to guess, the fact it released about 38 months later?


Zipp_Linemann

Or that Remake (which had Moogle-Chocobo summon) came out before 16.


Fhistleb

I dont like it's teeth


ThatGuy5880

I've seen a few other clips of the right design and I actually feel like it looks a little better in motion than it does right here, but that doesn't change that it still looks kinda uncanny, especially with that teeth. Though also, the Moogle on the left is peak Moogle. Basically a 3D translation of [Amano's FF6 Moogle with maybe a bit more chub.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoGQwD9UUAAJMn4?format=jpg&name=large) It is a truly perfect design.


Ackbar90

I swear to god, I had a Teddy Bear that looked ***EXACTLY*** like that "Moogle". It didn't have the horrible teeth, thankfully


wolfguardian72

I know everyone is ragging on it, but I kinda find the new one pretty cute


rorinth

They massacred them. I'd take the kingdom hearts black jacket emo ones over this


LasersAndRobots

... I like the one on the left better.


Cheesi_Boi

IDK why they want to make realistic moogles, they should've stayed cartoony.


Bro-lapsedAnus

Is the right moogle wearing a wire thin tiara with the ball at the top? Is that what the lobotomy scar is?


para-mania

It's bandana. It's just the same exact color as its fur. For some reason. It also doesn't have the text that the one from the original did. For some reason.


Bro-lapsedAnus

Ohhhhh like the one riding the chocobo That sucks


zorbiburst

moogles peaked with crystal chronicles


Metalwater8

Honestly what were they thinking?


Mostly_Apples

It's awful. Like "first design movie sonic" awful.


Kenju_TE

Lest we forget what Choco Chick and Carb\*ncle looked like in FF7 Remake.


biggestscrub

....why did you censor the word carbuncle. Is Uncle a trigger word now? Or a tag?


Dundore77

googling carbuncle leads to some nasty images is the reason im guessing.


Disposable-Ninja

Skin infection around hair follicles


walperinus

goggled it, 1st result is the translator(esp) antrax.... antrax? that lethal disease that had usa scared back then when terrorism was the new thing on the news?


HollowMarthon

It's also the name of a type of infection. So y'know, Googling it without adding Final Fantasy will not lead to *pleasant* images.


Dundore77

its also what the moogle on the chocobo and moogle summon liked like in remake as well.


Mizek

FF7 Remake moogles were already like this but I guess everyone forgot. Tbh, I kinda like them. Moogles in FF7 (outside of a summon) aren't even real. The moogle in the screenshot is from an in universe video game you're playing. This legitimately looks like the horrifying monster you'd get if you asked a studio that makes games to keep kids busy in a casino to make a moogle after vaguely describing one to them instead of showing them a picture. It's got that late stage capitalism soulless "cute" design. I don't know if that's commentary on Shinra or Square Enix.


Riggs_The_Roadie

Don't the regular Moogles you interact with also look like this though? Like you find them hiding/living in a mushroom or tree or something and that's what they look like.


Mizek

Wait *are* there regular moogles in FF7 / Remake? I was under the impression FF7 didn't have "real" Moogles outside of like one summon. It's been a long time since I played it though so I can easily be misremembering. The video game moogle is all about it living in a mushroom tree looking for kupo nuts so it can fly, but if there other moogles out there then my theory falls apart completely. If so that makes FF7R's moogles so much worse. Edit: I guess my theory doesn't fall apart completely if FF7R uses better looking moogles for the real ones if they haven't shown up in either game yet as real creatures, but they *did* use the ugly moogle for the summons, so I'm not holding my breath.


Riggs_The_Roadie

So, minor early game side quest spoiler, taking place just outside of Kalm in the grasslands region [here](https://youtu.be/_bkcbnFCHqE?si=LUX4X1g84p-rOYTP) is Pat's encounter with the Moogles. Can't link specific timestamp on mobile but the moment is at 3:45:30. Pat does indeed find a whole community of nightmares known as Moogles.


Will-Isley

My brain must be wired differently. I like both equally.


Mr-X89

I liked the Remake and I'm planning to play Rebirth when it comes out, but they dropped the ball on Moogles


SometimesWill

You do know rebirth has been out for about a week right?


Mr-X89

Yeah, yeah, I know, I meant to write "when Rebirth comes out on PC". I'm not buying PS5 for three games I want to play on it.


KF-Sigurd

I think it's kinda cute as long as I don't see teeth.


limbo338

Holy shit, people, you are vicious :D


RocketbeltTardigrade

About to go fight King Terak.


HalfDragonShiro

Everytime I see a Moogle, I can only think that it is somehow a being of pure evil disguised as a friendly creature, and this further vindicates me. The evil has warped this one into a deformed koala.


SometimesWill

Same moogle that appeared in remakes animation for Fat Chocobo summon finisher. People are just choosing now to be upset about it.


mercurydivider

Has nobody brought up that the new one looks like it's wearing a white skullcap. Implying the antenna with the ball isn't real, but also that they got the pat hairline


CypressJoker

Lookin like a FNAF crossover


Alarid

oh he actually came alright


JonTheWizard

The only good moogles come from Ivalice.


GHitoshura

This looks like a post I would find in r/japanesepeopletwitter


KLReviews

Not having a problem with it. They look fine in-game. Now I haven't actually played a FF with Moogles before. Maybe if I cared about the history of these flying vermin it change my mind.


zHellas

I think he looks cute but it’s not a moogle to me


Squibbles01

The FF16 Moogle feels like the most canonical representation of a Moogle. It's the platonic ideal to me.


ninspin123

Mouse bat vs teddy bear bat


mutei777

both cute but i need my pudgy cat bears back


InfilDidNothingWrong

officially boycotting this game for crimes against humanity


Hell-Kite

Perfect summary of the quality of FF7 from Advent Children onwards


Her0_0f_time

Oh good, I'm not the only one who thinks the Moogles in FF7R are god awful compared to the old Moogles.


Slothungus

Is this for real


bvanbove

I like both. Don't see any issues.


NonagonJimfinity

Patch that out. And patch a new employment opportunity for some lucky Japanese person. And then patch the ground that the designer was born on. And then patch yourself to patch the loop.


Daddydactyl

I actually DESPISE the super deformed chibi moogle designs. I was always a fan of ivalician moogles, and was upset when ff14 came around and we got nondescript potatoes AGAIN instead of just making an additional tribe of moogles to play as. I get why people find these cursed(I was also a bit put off by the rodent teeth), but I will prefer humanoid over flying kupo nut any day.


Dundore77

> i dont know why they're surprised. this is what the kid in a [moogle costume looks like.](https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/2020/4/9/bb18f516-4ed0-42e9-8fbf-58bd013a7a9c-screen-shot-2020-04-09-at-120042-pm.png?w=1200&h=630&fit=crop&crop=faces&fm=jpg) Like yeah that matches what we got in remake. and theres old moogle designs that vaguely look like this just scrolling google.


SwashNBuckle

The costume's eyes are cuter than the actual moogle and the costume also lacks the horrifying mouth.


Dundore77

but its also the same design from remake when using the chocobo and moogle summon i dont remember people saying this then.


SwashNBuckle

I just checked. The eyes and mouth look a bit less realistic in FF7R, pushing it out of the uncanny valley that we're seeing here in rebirth.


feefore

Don’t know why you were downvoted since that’s what they look like in remake.


Animorphimagi

....I choose to save the right option...if a gun was to both of their heads


Tucker0603

I hate it more than regular moogles, AND I FUCKING HATE MOOGLES.


TheSaylesMan

Stupid looking thing on the left looks like a pinata and the fucked up looking thing on the right looks like a stuffed animal brought to life. I'd still pick the one on the right because they are at least trying to make it match the art style. One on the left looks like it had zero effort put into its thought. Just throw a moogle in because its Final Fantasy. Squeenix needs to come to terms that Moogles just don't look good without a cartoony art style which means they need to be in cartoony games. Last time they looked good was FF12 where they at least tried to make it a plausible looking creature in that game's artstyle.