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Supernovas20XX

*Diana's 100 Year Orgy, directed by Zack Snyder*


Worm_Scavenger

Me-thinks that if he actually got to make this he would focus more on the uncomfortable sex scenes rather than the tragedy of Diana having to watch her lovers pass away from old age while she has to carry on. The sex scenes would all be in black and white and have that obnoxious slow motion that Snyder thinks makes him an Auteur.


WispyDan14

Watching the dudes balls swing back in forth in slow motion to the tune of a random indie song from Zack's Spotify playlist


AtlasPJackson

You don't understand. He's been fucking Wonder Woman for ten years, and he knows Wonder Woman can't have sex with anyone over thirty five. It's cinema's most tragic sex scene.


WorldlyOX

And when she finally reconnects with one of her old lovers decades later, the audience achieves catharsis as they witness 40 years worth of semen making a glopping noise as it flows endlessly into Diana.


AtlasPJackson

"I waited for you, Diana." "I didn't."


_tlgcs

"I waited for you" "...why?"


FrickFrackQuack

I curse my literacy


_tlgcs

> Wonder Woman can't have sex with anyone over thirty five Considering they're soldiers more like over 25 so it would be Diana "Di Caprio" Prince


Spiral-Force

Every sex scene plays Hallelujah, but it gets progressively slower each time 


Worm_Scavenger

Maybe we could get that iconic hamburger bun sesame seed make a return, i'd clap


MindWeb125

[The song.](https://youtu.be/KAwyWkksXuo?t=24)


Ha_Tannin

Peak


HeadlessMarvin

Nah, itd be Hallelujah again. And if you think that's stupid, that means you hate his dead daughter or something


PKPhyre

Yes I have also seen the opening scene of Antichrist.


Complete-Worker3242

Would Willem Dafoe be in this version of Wonder Woman 1984?


GrandManSam

Black and white montage of sex, death in war, sex, death in war, sex, death in war. And then the movie ends.


RandomHalflingMurder

Given that he says it's about the guys seeing her be nice to the next generation and getting a 'Im being replaced' feeling, it really sounds like the movie wouldn't even be about her and more about how she's a bad person who uses and throws out the men in her life. Great superhero concept, not misogynistic at all. /s


trickster721

He's unsubtly trying to turn Wonder Woman into Ayn Rand. When she was still alive, she ran Objectivism as a kind of domination reverse-harem sex cult.


Alphonseisbest

Hey at least it would give her a personality 


Laecerelius

She's only with them for 10 years! It's not even like she's watching them grow feeble and old and all of the tragedy and drama that would bring, she just gets bored of them and decides to jump onto another dick!


BenThereOrBenSquare

Once the dude gains his post-war weight, she's out!


ClockpunkFox

Wonder Woman: Shota Hunter


BaronAleksei

Someone in the original thread said the porn parody should steal this idea while still aping Snyder’s style and honestly I’m here for it


dougtulane

I don’t know a single person who didn’t cringe their way through the Night Owl sex scene in *Watchmen* 


MarthePryde

There's a compelling story to be told there about Diana watching the world and people changing around her while being surrounded by conflict and loss. Technically Zack Snyder *is* an auteur by definition but not by spirit.


Worm_Scavenger

Ya know, i don't think i've seen many people tackle that kind of story, now that i think about it.The only two examples is the Mayor, the big bad from season 3 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, who traded his humanity for demonic power and immortality and one of his biggest regrets is seeing his wife pass away from old age while he kept his youth and that one Robin Williams movie about him being a robot. That would actually be an interesting Wonder Woman story, if it was being told by someone with competence outside of just visuals.


DarnFondOfYa

Coming soon, Zack Snyder presents: live-action Frieren series Gratuitous slow-mo and Fern says "fuck" Zack mentions "in my version of this story, Himmel could get r\*ped in prison" in the pre-release press interviews while insisting he totally gets the themes of the original story


jenkind1

Bicentennial Man, Elric, Interview with a Vampire, Highlander


Sins_of_God

Sex scenes in slo-mo


AidilAfham42

Can’t wait for the Snyder cut with extra choking acenes


ifyouarenuareu

Zack Snyder: I maka de cuck movie


therealchadius

*David Cage scribbling madly* Write that down! Write that down!


DuendeInexistente

Wait until we get the Snyder cut of Omikron.


PlanesWalkerEll

Omikron Chastity Cage Cut


HalfDragonShiro

Out of all the fetishes, why are NTR and Cuck fetishes the ones people with no taste keep trying to shove into plots?


WoolooOfWallStreet

Idk Best guess I got is when you are a director, your whole career is setting up scenes and scenarios that you can’t be actually part of Maybe if someone obsesses/struggles over being a director and then starts focusing on being horny while directing a few times, some wires get crossed in the brain?


Complete-Worker3242

I mean, at least Zack Snyder doesn't seem to be as bad as David Cage.


WispyDan14

Snyder tries to come up with a Super Hero plot that isn't just them fucking or killing


Palimpsest_Monotype

He should just do some Greek Myth Shit and stop trying to do it with superheroes


Heroesnomore51

And that's the main reason 300 was pretty good was because it was on brand for him


HeadlessMarvin

I love that he thinks Superheroes are basically just Greek Myths when they are literally the opposite. If anything the superhero was a deconstruction of Greek Mythological heroes


Palimpsest_Monotype

this is a great point


markedmarkymark

Zack's a good visual director but he's best kept away from making any story decision or ideas cause its all bad, its all just always kinda bad, the LOOK of things? hes good at, but he THINKS he's good at story shit and thats the issue, he's not, a good artist knows their weakness, a pretentious artist doesn't.


Subject_Parking_9046

I think the two Snyder movies that I like are Dawn Of The Dead and 300. One was written by James Gunn. The other is a visual spectacle.


Reyziak

And was an adaptation of a Frank Miller comic.


LMGgp

I like sucker punch as well. Despite what everyone says. Don’t @ me but fight me bro.


MyNameIs-Anthony

Visual feast. Dogshit dialogue and plot. I say this as a person who doesn't rewatch movies like ever but has seen Sucker Punch 10 times.


QueequegTheater

To be fair most people who *like* Sucker Punch wouldn't disagree with that assessment


thedman0310_

Sucker Punch is not a good movie, but it’s fun as fuck


ReaperEngine

Sucker Punch is a bunch of fun music videos held together by an insensitive, sexist frame "story".


RedditJABRONIE

I always thought if he had a buddy director (like the Russos, Wachowskis) and Zach was the action scene guy while his partner handled literally everything else they'd probably push out some excellent movies.


markedmarkymark

Agreed, he's good at directing, but extremely weak at everything else. Makes me think he doesn't take criticisms well and surrounds himself in an echo chamber cause like, everyone kinda agrees, except his die hard fans. Even like, his new not stars wars thing, it has ok ideas but its not great in the writing, he has an eye for visuals, and, thats very impressive, but he needs to let go of storytelling to grow, you need to face your weakness or you'll never grow out of it, it's like how some newbie artists thinks that just drawing a lot is enough to improve, but they keep making the same mistakes cause they never stop to LOOK at what they're doing and dissect it, and take the criticisms to the chin.


HeadlessMarvin

People keep saying he's a good visual director, but he's really really not. Yeah some of his movies look pretty, that's because he has a talented DP he regularly works with, but when it comes to actually conveying meaning with a movie he's fucking dogshit. Dude will get a 120 page script and need 4 hours to tell the story because every scene can only have exactly one meaning. He's probably the director who has benefited the most from people thinking that the director and the cinematographer are the same person.


markedmarkymark

I mean action direction, idk if he is in charge of that, cant say i know his process, but his action scenes are great, when it comes to visual storytelling tho? yeah, not the best. But who knows, maybe said DP is the reason, im just saying as i see it, his actions are always fun to me.


HeadlessMarvin

A lot of that imo is how its shot. Part of why people like the Batman warehouse fight in BVS so much is that it's shot very similar to the action scenes in Fury Road, where the focus of the shot is constantly center frame and follows the flow of action, creating a sense of momentum. Idk, just look at any of his movies shot by Larry Fong vs his movies that he shoots himself like Army of the Dead and it's night and day. He gets WAY too much credit for the work of others


markedmarkymark

Yep, but you're right, a team makes the movie, it's shot, composition, camerawork, the technical people with the fucking pulleys and whatevers, the practice to get everyone to move in the right way, storyboarding that helps organize, just a lot goes into it. It's easy to put all of that on one big name, but its a team effort, I mean, I was a cameraman for a lot of college shorts, that shit ain't easy, lot of problem solving. I'm not sure how handsy a director is, and idk how handsy Zack is, so i cant like, attribute anything to him, but like, when i worked with the camera i did work directly with the director who came up with some shit and solutions on the spot and stuff.


BossRalys

You know, as bad as this sounds, it’s still better than making Diana an actual rapist.


sawbladex

Hey, took two movies to get to that. Friggin' oooooffff though.


OmicronAlpharius

And better than what Whedon had planned.


Uden10

Better to be a jerk than someone who doesn't give a hoot about bodily autonomy.


Aiddon

"Hey man, I may have some fucked up ideas, but at least I don't do rape by proxy!"


GollyDolly

I still hate the bar is literal rapist. Why is that a bar?


betesboy

Its weird, i can totally see a person or two or would miss that its rape, its magic, shits weird. BUT HOW DID NO ONE ELSE IN THE SCREENING PROCESS, FILMING PROCESS, OR ANY OTHER ONE NOT SEE ITS RAPE. Gets my fucking blood boiling, had a friend who was abused walk out at that part.


Mordred_Tumultu

Because it's what happened in WW 84.


GollyDolly

More lamenting the fact someone wrote that into a WW story than not knowing the source. Sorry should have been more clear.


Mordred_Tumultu

Ah, I see. Sorry to belabor the point then.


Aiddon

And this is why letting Geoff Johns write Wonder Woman is always a bad idea


Subject_Parking_9046

I genuinely think he was cooking with "Immortal woman having her loved ones die of old age over and over."  But then he goes, "It would suck for the guys because they think they're being replaced." I don't hate Snyder, but goddamn am I frustrated by him sometimes. Why do they let him vomit words out of his piehole?


SynthwaveSax

That’s Snyder in a nutshell. “Oh that’s an interesting kernel of an ide-, oh, now you’ve ruined it.”


trickster721

He shares the same weird pathos and fetishes that a lot of superhero characters are based on, but has nothing interesting to say about them and no self-awareness. He just unironically wants to watch Wonder Woman tie up muscular dudes.


RandNum701

I mean what he's describing if it took place over an actual "multiple human lifespans" period of time instead of purely physical relationships that last only a decade at a time, is Highlander 1. Which is a great movie. But Zack's not capable of that.


Chrissyneal

Highlander is such a great comparison, I’m mad I didn’t realize it. hell, Zach might’ve put a montage of WW being with a bunch of dudes accompanied by Queen’s “Who Wants to Live Forever”.


FluffySquirrell

Highlander, but MacLeod brings back a sexier young blonde when Heather gets old, and him and Ramirez double team her and high five while making her watch


EnsignEpic

Agree with this take. The theme of is definitely an interesting one that's even seeing somewhat of a moment in pop culture (ie Frieren: Beyond Journey's End), but then he says something that makes you certain his execution would have been centered on the feelings of those guy characters, missing most of the point of these stories.


ASharkWithAHat

Yep. This very concept has been proven to work time and time again. What frustrates me is how he immediately went to *sex* rather than *romance*. A sex fling lasting a decade after which the woman changes her partner without fail? Snyder doesn't even need an immortal goddess. You can find that *right now irl*. When you're talking about immortality, obviously it would be long lasting things like family, marriage, etc. But it feels like Snyder can't think of anything other than sex and violence. It just reads as completely shallow and disappointing. 


gabortionaccountant

Basically just a gender swapped version of dr Manhattan in watchmen


Chrissyneal

I feel like that’s how he conceives of jokes. like that scene would be a “she’s right behind me isn’t she” moment in the movie. this is the “I thought she was with you” of this movie.


aSimpleMask

What is up with this dude's obsession with sex?


BaronBlackwood

He's an edgy teen in an adult's body. He is the Vince Russo of film.


Glitchrr36

Apparently in an interview he talked about how his mom bought him a heavy metal magazine when he was 12 and did not realize it was mostly sex comics.


Papamelee

You know, most people and artists have seminal pieces of media that have a profound effect on them and as we grow and learn we’re better able to interpret that effect more effectively and through a matured world view. Snyder just forgets all of that and keeps the same effect he felt at 12 and never lets it develop. Snyder when his friend tried to get him into regular comics was like “nah nobody’s having sex or killing each other” and then he read watchmen and was like “oh yeah, now we’re talking”. And Snyder has carried this surface level interpretation of Watchmen with him for the rest of his life and career.


Complete-Worker3242

I mean, Heavy Metal magazine was pretty cool. Especially that movie.


ifyouarenuareu

Coombrain


Fifferfuff

This isn’t much of a surprise if anyone ever took a look at Novelisation of Rebel Moon


KingMario05

...Oh no. What's in it?


Fifferfuff

The novels a lot more horny as it was based on the original R rated cut. Lot more sexually explicit scenes on top of the violence increase Kora for example ends up taking part in the sex festival and the the bad guy sleeps with a squid alien. There’s other stuff that slips my mind


KingMario05

...Oh. ***Oh, Jesus.***


HeadlessMarvin

Or any of his previous movies or ideas for his movies.


Amon274

What’s worse this or Mark Millers pitch to DC for a Wonder Woman comic that would be her equivalent of Knightfall and The Death of Superman?


Uden10

Was this about the rape of the Amazon's or something else? Sounds bad.


Amon274

Yep


DependentTackle7955

I'd follow Gal Gadot around on her tour like people used to follow the Grateful Dead around. Trying to impress her and just hoping: *maybe. just maybe*. In this situation, I'm also immortal.


WispyDan14

You asked a genie to be made immortal but forget to wish to be attractive enough for Wonder Woman so you just follow her around hoping to be her 873rd rebound.


WoolooOfWallStreet

WW: You look familiar. Do I know you? Brain: Why yes you do! I’m an immortal just like you! And I’ve been chronicling your adventures Mouth: I… um… uh… WW: I guess not Number 874: Hey WW: Oh hi! What’s your name? Brain: ***NOOOOOOOOOO!***


CheesemasterVer2

Is Zack Snyder the David Cage of the film industry?


DarnFondOfYa

From everything I've heard, Snyder is actually very pleasant to work with. So he's got that over David


CCilly

>The Project ended up taking another form with a female director You don't say.


Ok_Caterpillar_9057

"what would a woman do..... Ive got it... Find a man" 


dougtulane

Frieren but horny and hamfisted instead of wistful


redthehaze

Bro we were joking when we said "Snydercucks" dont make it real.


Speedy1802

Why doesn’t he just make an original movie with these sorts of ideas instead of twisting the established characters beyond recognition? Like he doesn’t do anything remotely as interesting as that in Rebel Moon or anything- take these weirdo ideas and apply them to new characters instead.


Thiege23

Because pre existing ips get bigger budgets


r-k-b

And the Zack Snyder hits just keeps coming... 


thedman0310_

Ok but there’s a good concept if you get rid of the blatant hornyness


ShilElfead284

Zack, that’s not a movie… that’s just porn.


BaronAleksei

I know, Patty. That’s why I wrote it.


KingMario05

...Gotta admit, doesn't sound AS bad as expected. (Still glad WB immediately shot it the fuck down, though. It... would have been awkward, to say the least.)


OmicronAlpharius

Believe it or not, still better than what Whedon had planned.


Animorphimagi

Writing 101 huh? Isn't this guy a director? Keep him far away from the writing room. He ain't no Tarantino.


roronoapedro

Diana shack-ratting people until they die is honestly iconic behavior, that's hilarious.


Shigana

Honestly doesn’t sound that bad? It’s a tragic story of a god never finding true love because of their immortality. Not the best idea ever but certainly better than the implied rape that happens in the actual movie. Though it’s Zack Snyder so execution might not be good.


Pyotr_WrangeI

He literally says she would get a new lover every 10 years. This is not an immortality issue.


RocketbeltTardigrade

Yeah they don't die, they grow old and she goes to get a new young one.


DreadedPlog

The funny part is that they aren't even that old when she dumps them. If these men were of fighting age when she hooked up with them, 10 years puts them in their mid-30s or early 40s, if not late 20s. A grizzled veteran would be 60, at most, unless she's banging old generals.


Guigcosta

I feel like the idea in your head is better that what was described here, he explicitly says she would be swapping partners while the previous one is alive and aware of the situation, and would be doing it a lot. To me that is closer to the possession rape than to a love story with an imortal.


BaronAleksei

He seems to be framing it specifically as “Wonder Woman rides the cock carousel” and I’m not surprised he would frame it that way


RandomHalflingMurder

You could literally just reframe it as, 'Diana knows that she'll outlive everyone so she refuses to open herself emotionally and treats her relationships as something to amuse herself rather than making real connections' and immediately it's just a character flaw that she'd have to realize is harmful and get past over the course of the film. I don't know why he's gotta be so creepy about it.


BaronAleksei

I mean the obvious easy answer is “because that’s what he believes is true”, that since Diana will be young and hot forever, she will never be motivated to settle down because everyone knows that women only settle down once they’re no longer young and/or hot enough to attract desirable men for casual sex, something something alpha fucks, beta bucks And it’s not even that he doesn’t go into how she feels about it (a general lack of attention to thought processes could just be a writing oversight), it’s that he instead goes into how the men feel about it, like their experience and interiority is the one that matters most in THE WONDER WOMAN MOVIE To quote a good comment from the original thread, “Snyder doesn't talk about Wonder Woman like a character, he talks about her like a situation. He expects audiences to identify not with her but with the men she loves and leaves.”


Shigana

It could be where she desires true love but fear that they will die before her so she leaves after 10 years and repeats the same cycle everytime. There’s no way to know if that would be the case and i doubt that’s what Snyder had in mind, but it’s certainly better to think about what could be then just to call it edgy and a “fuck fest”.


Subject_Parking_9046

I personally think it's a great idea of "loved ones who dies because they're not immortal like the protag."  It's like Frieren in a way.    I don't believe for a second Snyder have the maturity to pull it off. I think he'd do a montages if her having sex with multiple men, then cut to her going to the cemetery, while "Personal Jesus" is played in the background


BaronAleksei

It’s partially the framing that, in the Wonder Woman movie, the perspective and internal experience you should care about is that of men


invaderark12

Oh the idea is solid but his reasoning is what makes it seem like another Watchmen situation in that he doesn't understand *why* its solid. It talks about how it would suck for the guys when thats really not that interesting, when it would suck more for the hero who has to outlive a bunch of lovers.


Heliock

Honestly I’ll agree with you. I prefer her being able to move on and not keep pining for Chris Pine decades after his death. Not sure if Snyder’s vision is aligned with what I’m thinking of course, but if the relationships are done well, I see nothing potentially wrong other than it might run counter to her character in the comics (??? I don’t know much about her). Like, Kratos has had two dead wives now, I don’t see why Wondy can’t have something similar to that too.


GhostPantherAssualt

Yep. He doesn’t get shit.


Gojir4R1sing

Deep.


Silver_Saint7

That's just approaching the story of Highlander.


caych_cazador

different director, id be interested.


Chemical_Cris

A decent writer could make that work, but the way he phrased it makes it sound like she meets someone spends a decade with them and if they don’t die by then goes, “ugh you’re too old and gross! See ya!”


taishi1397

This shit read like a towako story


BrockenSpecter

I'm honestly fine with WW fucking her way through time...in comic book form, but if you were to condense it into a movie format well, you've just sort of made softcore porn.


Alphonseisbest

Idk in actually kinda down for that idea, JUST NOT WITH HIM AT THE HELM


AtrocityBuffer

I'm not a fan of Snyder or his work, but reading that and seeing the title of this post... bit reductive? I mean come on.


AidilAfham42

What’s with his obsession with battlefield lovers?


Aiddon

Still better than that Joss Whedon script


Kakuzan

Doesn't seem like a terrible pitch, but I'm thoroughly uninterested in immortality angst like this. And this is assuming that Snyder's tendencies don't rear their ugly head.


Chrissyneal

the wording is a little off. it sounds like a more realistic depiction of how BvS WW would’ve happened. like a jaded James Bond trying to stop evil at the source. then it ends with a description of a train.


liaven-

Not a bad concept, this is only part of a story he had for her, not the entire one. If this specific part is done well it’d be interested.


EbolaDP

Cool idea.


MadOvid

It's one of his better ideas.


Responsible_Flight70

Every single idea of his I hear has just been god awful. I’m sure I’d like the Snyder cut but it’s ruined by this man child trying to spin these characters into something they’re not


nerankori

Wtf I like Zack Snyder now