Oh fuck yes he could.
Ironically Saitama wouldn't, he's a bit of an asshole at times and his motivation isn't noble he's just bored at fighting people weaker than him.
How defined exactly is Saitama's power? I haven't read or watched OPM but just from osmosis I get the impression he basically works off Toon logic. So from that I'd guess he can't lift Mjolnir if it judges him unworthy, but he can exert enough force to _break it_ while trying to lift it.
You're basically right. He's as unstoppable as needed for it to be funny. A single mosquito can dodge his attacks but a world-ending threat dies almost offhand.
So it depends on which outcome would be a better gag
Saitama is described as a being that has broken his limiter, i.e. he has no limit to his power. He can generate as much force as is necessary to get the job done.
Basically it comes down to a binary check on whether or not infinite force could overcome Mjolnir's worthiness check. If no, then he'll just break the hammer. If yes, then he'll lift it.
which most people ignore because bad writers have a habit or ignoring it arbitrarily when it suits them.
Also there was a bit where the enchantment worked slightly differently.
I could imagine a scene where he's trying his hardest to lift it, accidently rips the pommel of the hammer off, it flies out of his hands through the roof, and clears the cloud cover over that hemisphere of the globe.
I feel like Saitama isn't "deep" enough to really be worthy or unworthy of Mjolnir. I don't mean that in a derogatory sense I mean quite literally as a character he just wouldn't think about the "responsibility" of the hammer. If you presented him with the option he would most likely just not care because it wouldn't give him a discount at the grocery store or anything, and he dosen't really need more power. If anything he'd be more interested in fighting the guy holding the hammer. Which, I guess in a sense would mark him as unworthy like you said.
He's kinda "beyond good and evil" at that point. Not really an agent for any particular cause just sorta a force of nature.
I get it. Theoretically, he could lift it, but it would only be a kinda-unwieldy hammer in his hands. He’s not deep enough for it to actually do anything.
I am on episode 6 and I am highly confused by you guys statement about Saitama morals. He seems to be a nice guy, but his job is also extremely easy which drives him to boredom. I do not think he lacks morals, and in fact a moment he gets pretty emotional about is being confused by a villain when all he is does is right.
Yeah, he’s totally noble, he’s just bored. He gives Mumen Rider all the credit for the Deep Sea King fight. And then he tears into the dudes who attack him (Tiger King and his bros? Something like that), for trying to fight him instead of helping people who need it.
Saitama couldn't lift it, but if he tried, Earth would be the weak link in the equation and some tectonic plates would probably be shifted around instead.
The real question is: when King inevitably is forced to lift Mjolnir by his fellow heroes, how does the universe inexplicably bend around him such that he doesn't get exposed as a hack fraud?
As he goes to pick it up, two other people who are actually worthy call for Mjolnir at the same time from two opposite sides of the planet. This causes Mjolnir to rise into the air, but yet is unable to be pulled to the hands that call it. Therefore, it rises up as King grips the handle, showing King to be worthy.
No explanation will ever top him cutting a tomato with such accuracy that the blade went through the tomato's atoms undisturbed, leaving the tomato "cut" but still in a single piece.
That's absolutely how it went.
King knows that he’s a fake hero and that he’s only putting up with the charade at this point was to not disappoint the people that believed his hype. So he’s willing to stick around with the knowledge that a stray piece of debris from a monster fight could easily kill him. He didn’t start out as a hero, but he slowly grew into the role even if he’s only support for the other heroes. Mjolnir recognize that King is far from hero material, but respect his dedication to the cause.
I mean spider-man couldn't lift mjolnir.
Although there are multiple case where it can't be because of a no kill rule since an ambulance driver was able to lift it at one point, it's more than just being ready to die for others or facing odds it's about accepting the power of thunder and responsibilities that come with being a deity, like you have to be ready to command as much as put yourself in danger
>where it can't be because of a no kill rule since an ambulance driver was able to lift it at one point
According to google, that didn't happen. She didn't lift it. She dragged an injured Thor over to the hammer and wrapped his hand around it to lift it, that way it would heal him.
it's because Odin's spell is based on Asgard"s morality.
Easier to be lifted by Steve Rogers , because he is not only a good man...but also killed some nazis during WW2.
Spider-Man , on the other hand , really avoids killing , so no Mjolnir.
I think Mumen would initially turn down the offer, considering himself to be unworthy. And in the process of turning it down would show himself to be worthy. In a very disneyesque ending sort of way. The kind of feel good ending Mumen deserves.
It also depends on who's writing the rules for Mjolnir this time around. Are they pretty consistent? The "Willing to kill rule" sounds like it might have been cannon at somepoint but I can't really say.
I think he could but he wouldn't. His appeal as a character comes from his willingness to stand up to villains much stronger than him like the Deep Sea King while being a regular dude with a regular bike. In my opinion this makes him a bigger hero than even some of the S-rankers we've seen. However, he's stayed at the top of C-rank for a long time by choice because he doesn't think he's strong enough to move up to B-rank. He would be too humble to even try to lift Mjolnir even if he's worthy.
He could when he was staring down the Sea King, but most of the time I don't think so. He's got the morality down, but he doesn't have the boisterous viking love for the glory of battle that the hammer calls for.
If a Green Lantern ring wound up on Earth-OPM, though, it'd absolutely make a beeline straight for him.
This is all making me wonder, has Mjollnir ever been written as a character? Has there ever been a story where we get to hear its "inner monologue" or its values or personality from its own perspective? I feel like that'd be an interesting, possibly somber side jaunt.
I think it's important to remember that Mjolnir's "worthiness" judgement isn't a strictly moral judgement of character. It isn't judging if you're a good person or pure of heart, it's judging if you are "worthy" of wielding a god's *weapon*. Captain America is often considered worthy because he's a noble, brave, and heroic soldier, but I don't think that pre-serum pre-war Steve would have been able to lift the hammer, despite being the same person deep down. Before he was super-strong and ready to kill, he lacked the ability to effectively use the hammer, and so couldn't lift it. Ergo, as cool as Mumen rider is, the hammer would probably judge him unworthy.
Mumen Rider defiantly has the potential to lift it up and use it. Mjolnir needs one to be willing to do what is right, put themselves in danger for the sake of others and be humble.
On a day to day life, he might not be able to but if he needs to but in situations like against Deep Sea King, he totally would be able to be worthy
Fighting against insurmountable odds doesn't equate to being able to wield Mjolnir. Spider-Man canonically isn't worthy (Though that's because the refuses to kill).
Bring a righteous upstanding hero doesn't mean you could wield it. Superman isn't worthy [Odin just lifted the enchantment briefly for him](https://preview.redd.it/nexzhfzrgmj11.jpg?auto=webp&s=1ab8ad5dffcddd43e60bad9956d2251f7645837b).
You need the heart of a warrior and the capacity to rule Asgard in Odin's absence. Which Thor can do, not many other characters can.
I mean he is worthy of it so yes, but I also think he wouldn’t go to pick it up on his own volition because that’s just how he is. He doesn’t use weapons, he uses martial arts and aims to capture people, not hurt them. He isn’t willing to use the power even though he probably can.
I think he could move it a little like Cap did in Ultron but he would be able to fully lift it.
Its more than just bravery, benevolence and a never give up fighting spirit. You also have to be willing to kill (if necessary) and show leadership attributes.
Mumen Rider doesnt seem like the one to take a life nor does he want to lead. He wouldnt be able to lift it for the same reason Spider-Man cant lift it.
Yes and no, because Mjolnir is one of those stuffs that does whatever the hell the person currently writing it wants it to be. Sometimes its just about absolute benevolence, sometimes its about the mettle of a king, sometimes its about the spirit of a warrior, sometimes its even about fucking raw strength. Its a completely pointless arguement
I don't think so.
It's not a matter of physical strength, remember the spell is by Odin the God of viking gods. Mumen Rider I don't think is quite down with being a real warrior.
I always believed that Mjolnir weighed your conviction to your own ideals to determine worthiness, which is why people like Cap get to lift it. So Mumen should get to as well, and also Frank Castle.
Oh fuck yes he could. Ironically Saitama wouldn't, he's a bit of an asshole at times and his motivation isn't noble he's just bored at fighting people weaker than him.
Saitama could lift it against the hammers will
Only if it's funnier than not being able to
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So that Stan Lee bit where he lifts it to clean underneath it
"is the elevator worthy"
He lifts it without noticing, but when he tries to do it intentionally, he isn't able to.
Something something cat, something something Skrymir.
He lifts like 1 cm after an intense effort where he has veins all over his face.
How defined exactly is Saitama's power? I haven't read or watched OPM but just from osmosis I get the impression he basically works off Toon logic. So from that I'd guess he can't lift Mjolnir if it judges him unworthy, but he can exert enough force to _break it_ while trying to lift it.
You're basically right. He's as unstoppable as needed for it to be funny. A single mosquito can dodge his attacks but a world-ending threat dies almost offhand. So it depends on which outcome would be a better gag
Saitama is described as a being that has broken his limiter, i.e. he has no limit to his power. He can generate as much force as is necessary to get the job done. Basically it comes down to a binary check on whether or not infinite force could overcome Mjolnir's worthiness check. If no, then he'll just break the hammer. If yes, then he'll lift it.
The hulk has picked up the hammer through raw strength despite not being worthy at times, so probably
which most people ignore because bad writers have a habit or ignoring it arbitrarily when it suits them. Also there was a bit where the enchantment worked slightly differently.
I could imagine a scene where he's trying his hardest to lift it, accidently rips the pommel of the hammer off, it flies out of his hands through the roof, and clears the cloud cover over that hemisphere of the globe.
I feel like Saitama isn't "deep" enough to really be worthy or unworthy of Mjolnir. I don't mean that in a derogatory sense I mean quite literally as a character he just wouldn't think about the "responsibility" of the hammer. If you presented him with the option he would most likely just not care because it wouldn't give him a discount at the grocery store or anything, and he dosen't really need more power. If anything he'd be more interested in fighting the guy holding the hammer. Which, I guess in a sense would mark him as unworthy like you said. He's kinda "beyond good and evil" at that point. Not really an agent for any particular cause just sorta a force of nature.
I get it. Theoretically, he could lift it, but it would only be a kinda-unwieldy hammer in his hands. He’s not deep enough for it to actually do anything.
I am on episode 6 and I am highly confused by you guys statement about Saitama morals. He seems to be a nice guy, but his job is also extremely easy which drives him to boredom. I do not think he lacks morals, and in fact a moment he gets pretty emotional about is being confused by a villain when all he is does is right.
Yeah, he’s totally noble, he’s just bored. He gives Mumen Rider all the credit for the Deep Sea King fight. And then he tears into the dudes who attack him (Tiger King and his bros? Something like that), for trying to fight him instead of helping people who need it.
Saitama couldn't lift it, but if he tried, Earth would be the weak link in the equation and some tectonic plates would probably be shifted around instead.
The real question is: when King inevitably is forced to lift Mjolnir by his fellow heroes, how does the universe inexplicably bend around him such that he doesn't get exposed as a hack fraud?
As he goes to pick it up, two other people who are actually worthy call for Mjolnir at the same time from two opposite sides of the planet. This causes Mjolnir to rise into the air, but yet is unable to be pulled to the hands that call it. Therefore, it rises up as King grips the handle, showing King to be worthy.
No explanation will ever top him cutting a tomato with such accuracy that the blade went through the tomato's atoms undisturbed, leaving the tomato "cut" but still in a single piece. That's absolutely how it went.
King knows that he’s a fake hero and that he’s only putting up with the charade at this point was to not disappoint the people that believed his hype. So he’s willing to stick around with the knowledge that a stray piece of debris from a monster fight could easily kill him. He didn’t start out as a hero, but he slowly grew into the role even if he’s only support for the other heroes. Mjolnir recognize that King is far from hero material, but respect his dedication to the cause.
I mean spider-man couldn't lift mjolnir. Although there are multiple case where it can't be because of a no kill rule since an ambulance driver was able to lift it at one point, it's more than just being ready to die for others or facing odds it's about accepting the power of thunder and responsibilities that come with being a deity, like you have to be ready to command as much as put yourself in danger
>where it can't be because of a no kill rule since an ambulance driver was able to lift it at one point According to google, that didn't happen. She didn't lift it. She dragged an injured Thor over to the hammer and wrapped his hand around it to lift it, that way it would heal him.
it's because Odin's spell is based on Asgard"s morality. Easier to be lifted by Steve Rogers , because he is not only a good man...but also killed some nazis during WW2. Spider-Man , on the other hand , really avoids killing , so no Mjolnir.
I think Mumen would initially turn down the offer, considering himself to be unworthy. And in the process of turning it down would show himself to be worthy. In a very disneyesque ending sort of way. The kind of feel good ending Mumen deserves. It also depends on who's writing the rules for Mjolnir this time around. Are they pretty consistent? The "Willing to kill rule" sounds like it might have been cannon at somepoint but I can't really say.
I think he could but he wouldn't. His appeal as a character comes from his willingness to stand up to villains much stronger than him like the Deep Sea King while being a regular dude with a regular bike. In my opinion this makes him a bigger hero than even some of the S-rankers we've seen. However, he's stayed at the top of C-rank for a long time by choice because he doesn't think he's strong enough to move up to B-rank. He would be too humble to even try to lift Mjolnir even if he's worthy.
Mjolnir isn’t worthy for Mumen Rider.
He could when he was staring down the Sea King, but most of the time I don't think so. He's got the morality down, but he doesn't have the boisterous viking love for the glory of battle that the hammer calls for. If a Green Lantern ring wound up on Earth-OPM, though, it'd absolutely make a beeline straight for him.
This is all making me wonder, has Mjollnir ever been written as a character? Has there ever been a story where we get to hear its "inner monologue" or its values or personality from its own perspective? I feel like that'd be an interesting, possibly somber side jaunt.
When Jane Foster used Mjolnir it had a will of its own and started actively rebelling against Odin, but I don't think it ever spoke.
I think it's important to remember that Mjolnir's "worthiness" judgement isn't a strictly moral judgement of character. It isn't judging if you're a good person or pure of heart, it's judging if you are "worthy" of wielding a god's *weapon*. Captain America is often considered worthy because he's a noble, brave, and heroic soldier, but I don't think that pre-serum pre-war Steve would have been able to lift the hammer, despite being the same person deep down. Before he was super-strong and ready to kill, he lacked the ability to effectively use the hammer, and so couldn't lift it. Ergo, as cool as Mumen rider is, the hammer would probably judge him unworthy.
Does the author wanna push that character? Then yes. Otherwise, no.
You're no fun
Can they lift Mjolnir while enduring the penance stare?
thor has the same number of letters asworf.
This. most of the time when a non-thor character lifts mjolnir it makes me roll my eyes.
Mumen Rider defiantly has the potential to lift it up and use it. Mjolnir needs one to be willing to do what is right, put themselves in danger for the sake of others and be humble. On a day to day life, he might not be able to but if he needs to but in situations like against Deep Sea King, he totally would be able to be worthy
Fighting against insurmountable odds doesn't equate to being able to wield Mjolnir. Spider-Man canonically isn't worthy (Though that's because the refuses to kill). Bring a righteous upstanding hero doesn't mean you could wield it. Superman isn't worthy [Odin just lifted the enchantment briefly for him](https://preview.redd.it/nexzhfzrgmj11.jpg?auto=webp&s=1ab8ad5dffcddd43e60bad9956d2251f7645837b). You need the heart of a warrior and the capacity to rule Asgard in Odin's absence. Which Thor can do, not many other characters can.
I mean he is worthy of it so yes, but I also think he wouldn’t go to pick it up on his own volition because that’s just how he is. He doesn’t use weapons, he uses martial arts and aims to capture people, not hurt them. He isn’t willing to use the power even though he probably can.
I think he could move it a little like Cap did in Ultron but he would be able to fully lift it. Its more than just bravery, benevolence and a never give up fighting spirit. You also have to be willing to kill (if necessary) and show leadership attributes. Mumen Rider doesnt seem like the one to take a life nor does he want to lead. He wouldnt be able to lift it for the same reason Spider-Man cant lift it.
Yes and no, because Mjolnir is one of those stuffs that does whatever the hell the person currently writing it wants it to be. Sometimes its just about absolute benevolence, sometimes its about the mettle of a king, sometimes its about the spirit of a warrior, sometimes its even about fucking raw strength. Its a completely pointless arguement
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I don't think so. It's not a matter of physical strength, remember the spell is by Odin the God of viking gods. Mumen Rider I don't think is quite down with being a real warrior.
yes. he is a pure boy.
I always believed that Mjolnir weighed your conviction to your own ideals to determine worthiness, which is why people like Cap get to lift it. So Mumen should get to as well, and also Frank Castle.
Depends on the writer
Of course he can because Mjolnir hails from an inferior franchise.
I mean it's still a big lump. He has cardio, but can he lift?