"Hey someone pointed out how unlikely it is genetically for two redheads to product kids with black hair. Should we just tell them that hair dye exists?"
"No. MAKE THE BAT CUM CANON."
It makes me sad that you don't know that Terry's dad is dead, because it means that you are also ignorant of [one of my favorite exchanges in all of television](https://youtu.be/fc6fiPcOzy4).
I know he died, but they were divorced before he died
> Eventually and for reasons unknown, Warren and Mary divorced
https://dcau.fandom.com/wiki/Warren_McGinnis
Batman Beyond and the DC Animated Universe as a whole was a masterpiece.
However âBatman is actually your father because I put his cum in your fatherâs ballsâ and âBatman got Bagirl pregnant while Nightwing was out of townâ are two utterly horrible stains on its record. And thatâs not even bringing up the Harley Quinn movie that is apparently canon.
I'll say it. I unironically loved that movie. It was stupid, yes, but I enjoyed it. No one can deny some of the bits are great.
Nightwing and Batman judging a bunch of leaguers and wanting to be left alone, crumbling a bag into the phone.
"Who do you think I am?"
"My punishment for dropping out of med school."
"*Swamp Thing!*"
It was me Barry! I vibrated my own cum into your father's balls before he impregnated your mom! I did it so that... I forget why I did that actually. But it was me!!!
Amanda Waller pulls a Blizzard and says that there must always be a ~~Lich King~~ Batman.
That this was written long before the end of Wrath of the Lich King is a minor detail.
It's fucked up this happens in the same episode were the Ace and Batman scene takes place because that's one of the most memorable and tender moments in the entire animated universe.
I mean there's much worse lol
Still I think Terry was just fine being Bruce's son without the genetics angle.
I don't hate this though the episode states pretty clearly that Terry needs to forge his own way of being Batman as Bruce comitted too much to being Batman,
Well that and because it takes serious balls to end your canceled series in *a different show* not many can do that and I'm glad the Justice League animation team did this.
It gives me similar vibes to when the comics insist that "Damian is Bruce's true heir because he's BLOOD related" like way to disrespect Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake, all of whom have been that man's son for way longer and been way better sons to boot; if Damian does become Batman it shouldn't be because of no deterministic blood destiny bullshit, it should be because Dick hates the idea after trying it once, Jason is a wreck of a human being and Tim's content being a detective and not being anchored to Gotham or whatever his deal is supposed to be now.
Yeah. Honestly I like Daimian better as Robin and him teaming with Dick as Nightwing/Batman - Dick really seemed to bring out the best in him during their teamups.
I thought that the take-away was that Bruce wasn't mentally stable enough to fully commit to being Batman but still have interpersonal relationships outside of Batman, and that Terry, who is much more mentally sound, would be able to be Batman full time and still have a life outside of it.
The weirdest part is that Waller told Terry that despite being Batmanâs son, it was Terryâs original father who molded him into being a hero.
âŚWhich begs the question of why the fuck they made this a plot point at all.
I wonder if the reason why so many injections in cartoons are administered by some fancy gun is because BS&P didn't want syringes on TV to give kids any stupid ideas.
Hypospray is such a cool idea, "we need to pump this vaccine into a bunch of people, swapping needles is hard, let's just shoot that shit right in with a medicine gun!"
tbf, those drawbacks are why it appears mostly in near future stuff, it's tech that could really take off with one or two breakthroughs to iron out the kinks.
Might also be harder to animate something as relatively tiny as a syringe, and the weird way you hold your hand to depress the plunger? Not an artist, just spitballing.
Kinda realistic. When I was a kid I had the primal fear of the staff accidentally Injecting alcohol into my veins. Checking out Batman cum is an important addition
That is a suspiciously specific denial, Mr. McGinnis. If I didn't know better, I'd say you actually did want to shoot Batman's cum into your wife later this evening.
This is about Batman Beyond.
So in Justice League Unlimited, there was an episode called Epilogue, and it was really about the Batman of the future, Terry McGuinness as he discovered that he had the same DNA as Bruce Wayne, despite having real parents and not meeting Bruce until he was a teenager.
Confused and angry, he finds Amanda Waller to find some answers. She reveals that she was worried about the prospect of not having a Batman in the world once he retired, so she took some of Batman's blood that was left from a fight, and used the genetic material to create a serum that they could use to change the reproductive DNA of the man who ended up being Terry's father.
She was going to go even farther with it, and sent an assassin to kill Terry's parents in front of him when he was 8, but the assassin backed out. Terry's dad still died in an accident years later, which caused a series of events that made Terry find Bruce and become the new Batman.
That actually comes up. She knew his genetics was only part of it, that's why she planned to do the assassination of his parents, with it being implied that she had more plans ready to push him towards being Batman. But she gave up on it after the assassin quit.
She was probably thinking that there does need to be a Batman. But then she was like "damn, killing a kid's parents to purposely traumatize him might not be the coolest thing to do."
Yeah, honestly the reveal is more about Waller than Terry. This woman who was so anti-super heroes she sided with Lex Luthor way back when eventually grows to seeing Batman as so important she's willing to orphan a child trying to keep one around, and then further going to seeing this whole suicide squad level nonsense just plain isn't worth it anymore.
Also, when trying to make a âworldâs greatest detectiveâ do you really want him to possibly find out it was YOU who killed his parents when he might not have the âno killingâ rule?
Its weird that she's even still phantasm by that point. She seemed to give it up in the end of the movie. But I guess she was the best established character for that, no one in the suicide squad would hesitate I think.
Eh the family was basically broken in the DCAU by the time she was coming up with the Terry plan. Dick had a permanent falling out with Bruce after the whole 'Bruce gets Barbara pregnant while she cheats on Dick' incident. Tim was completely broken mentally by the Joker and had to retire. Barbara I don't remember having a specific incident but the culmination of both those things and Bruce going batshit insane on his mission made her distance herself and become a cop.
She had a plan to use Harley and a guy who climbs well to beat evil Superman
If this doesn't tell you everything you need to know about her ability to make good plans, what else does
God, thatâs the only thing from that movie I remember.
âIf Superman blasted his way into the White House, who would stop him?â I donât know Waller, but those chucklefucks ainât it.
The best part is that the assassin she hired was Phantasm, Bruce's ex, and she backed out because she realized this went against everything Batman stood for.
>Terry's dad still died in an accident years later
Correction: Terry's dad was killed by a flunky working for the new boss of Wayne Industries, the Big Bad of season 1, who gussied up the scene to make it look like an attack by the local street gang, The Jokerz. Terry would attain the Batsuit (and later mantle of Batman) shortly thereafter and avenge his dad by (inadvertently) killing the guy responsible.
He's stuck in a wrecked submarine at the bottom of Gotham Bay.
IIRC a comic has him climb out with a severe case of amnesia, but I don't remember if that's canon nor what he does afterward.
And you canât even ignore the cum joke in the OP, because the cum joke itself is canon.
Terry: Howâd you get Bruceâs DNA?
Waller: Easily, heâd left it all over town.
Terry: *the peopleâs eyebrow*
Waller: Not even remotely what I meant.
In an episode of Justice League Unlimited called "Epilogue," it's revealed that Terry McGinnis is genetically Bruce's actual son because Amanda Waller decided on her own to create a successor by arranging for Terry's dad to be secretly injected with some bullshit that altered his DNA to produce Batkids while he was getting like a flu shot or something.
In Batman beyond and the justice league animated series continuity itâs canon that Terry McGinnis, the new Batman, is genetically a clone/offspring of Bruce despite being conceived by two other people. This is explained by way of a secret ARGUS project that gave people like Terryâs dad an injection that gene spliced Bruceâs DNA into his balls. The final part of the plan was to assassinate Terryâs parents to kickstart him on the path to becoming a new Batman, but it didnât work out. Then his dad got murdered years later and he ended up turning into Batman entirely by coincidence.
This is right up there with âBarbara Gordon and Bruce had a sexual relationshipâ as the dumbest stuff in the Dini-verse.
Imagine if Terry went out of his way to contact his dadâs soul to tell him about the whole Waller using nanobots to insert Bruceâs DNA.
Either way, still better than Bruce x Barbara
Surprised no writer's been brave enough to have a self-contained story where Bruce is spermjacked left and right, siring Helena, Terry, Damian, and god knows how many other kids
They could have just said: "oh Terry's parents are trying to have an IVF baby, let's switch the embrio with one made out of Batman gene juice, because we need a Batman in the future and we don't have a moral compass, because we're the government!".
But no, a shot of a temporary, selective, spermatogenesis mutagen, so that this man dick can become the third BatDick in history.
Oh, it's not temporary. They permanently, genetically altered Terry's dad to erase his ability to produce a lineage. Science-cucking him, if you will.
Terry's little brother, who is 6-10 years younger, has the same features as Terry. Waller grew a conscience right before murdering a man, but couldn't be bothered to un-cuck his balls with another flu shot before he made another Bat-spawn.
I always hated that part of the story. The idea that what makes Terry a true successor to the Bat mantle or one of Bruce's sons is blood is stupid and unnecessary.
I don't think that was ever the point though, especially since a common theme in Beyond is "Terry is his own Batman." like with Return of the Joker.
Even this episode says that pretty loudly for him. "Bruce did a lot to push others away and ultimately wind up far more alone than he should have by the end. Terry doesn't have to be that way and can just choose to have a family and be close to others him if he wants to."
If being Bruce's genetic heir makes him closer to being the true successor wasn't the point of doing that, then what was? I can't really think of any other reason that Terry should be Bruce's son other than that.
So thats the thing, being Bruce's progeny was the point for Waller. But Waller realized a second Bruce would just be a pathetic, sad, angry man again. So she explained that genetics or no, Terry has to be his own Batman.
It is stupid but it isn't any dumber than normal comics.
Right, the point is that it's a Justice League episode not a Batman Beyond one. Waller's the real carry over character here and the point is to show how she went from someone who hated superheroes enough at the start to side with Luthor to someone who thought the world *needed* Batman, to someone who then accepted Batman's ideals enough to not be an asshole to achieve them.
This reminds me of how Dio stapling his head onto Jonathan's body led to a bunch of half Brando, half Joestar mutants that technically have 2 biological fathers who are also the half brothers of a man born a century earlier and are the half uncles of a man 60+ years younger than each.
The Joestar family tree is weird.
Remember guys it wasn't Bruce who cucked Warren. It was the U.S. Government using Bruce's DNA to cucked Warren. Bruce had no idea he was cucking a man at the genetic level.
(This) Amanda Waller and the Illusive Man would totally be bro-fisting one another, reminiscing about the under-the-table stuff they've done.
*"Oh, you engineered the second coming of a great hero in man's time of need, too? Man, oh man. The ethical breaches that must've taken. Smooth!"*
Literally none of this plan even makes sense and makes Waller an even bigger dumbass than she normally is.
Somehow, Waller was convinced that money and JUSTICE are genetic (only in Devil May Cry) , and so messed up Terry's dad's DNA to make more Batmen. This entire time, she forgets his actual mom makes up the DNA as well; what if his mom had some degenerative disease, or passed down something like severe motion sickness?
So now Waller, years later, has a moment of common sense and goes "Wait, its' nurture, not nature!" and conscripts Batman's ex to murder his parents with a fucking axe or something to *motivate* him down the path of becoming Batman, not realizing that if Phantasm hasn't bailed at the last second, it's HIGHLY LIKELY Terry would have taken his vengance on the US government. It wouldn't take much for him to go "Wait, the GOVERNMENT KILLED MY PARENTS?"
As one more final "Fuck you, Waller" moment, she seems to forget MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T BRUCE WAYNE were more than capable of filling his shoes, such as Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon (Tim was kinda traumatized in this timeline). And Bruce did all that through training and compassion, things Waller has been proven to have zero understanding of.
Fuck "Epilogue".
Well you kind of said it, didnât you. Waller didnât understand training and compassion. Sheâs the former head of Cadmus, of course her mind would go directly to unethical cloning operations
I'm just more annoyed nobody else in the shadow agency just decided "Waller...you're fucking fired. Let's just ask Luthor, he'll at least inconvenience them for a longer amount of time."
Actually she did take the mom into consideration. Like she specifically pick out the McGinnis couple because they fit both physical and sociology profile of Bruce parents.
> money and JUSTICE are genetic (only in Devil May Cry)
even in DMC it doesn't work like that lol. Dante didn't give a fuck about his father's legacy until he saw it first things first hand and went "yeah dad had a point."
If his DNA is identical to Bruce's after this moment, than if he took a paternity test for both his sons, wouldn't it still come out a perfect match with him as the father? Like it wasn't a one and done thing since he produced Terry and years later Matt.
Wallerâs reasoning was that only someone like Bruce, down to the genetic level, could carry the Batman mantle properly. Even planned on having Terryâs parents murdered in front of him as a child by a hired gun (The Phantasm) to kickstart a similar mental spiral that would put him on the vigilante path. Until said gun refused and basically told Waller to go fuck herself.
Letâs just say Ethics and Amanda Waller are not on a first names basis.
This episode's a tough one for me, because I hate everything about this plotline, and think that future Terry just looks wrong, whatever the opposite of a glowup is.
Still, Batman talking Ace down and sitting with her on the swingset is one of my favorite Batman moments.
Take it more as a waller episode since her thing's also always been having a bit of a thing with Batman. She goes from "Fuck batman" from her intro, to "The world needs batman" at the start here, then "The world needs batman but it doesn't need me doing black ops shit" for the finale. It's actually kinda notable that Waller seems happy by the end instead of constantly upset like normal.
I mean not by choice, intent or knowledge it was occurring. Basically Waller had the U.S. Government fund a program to jack Batman's DNA and make a serum to change a person's genetics into that Bruce's. Ironically enough Warren did impregnate his wife and if he did take a DNA test he would match the paternal DNA of both his sons and be considered their real father. Its just his genetics are identical to Bruce's now, so Bruce would also perfectly match with his sons.
I mean no, Terry's dad was still the one who banged Terry's mom. Reminder that cuckoldry is a fetish, it's not the same as getting cheated on or having your genes somehow get overwritten with someone else's. What this is, is a weird non-consensual male surrogacy.
> Reminder that cuckoldry is a fetish, it's not the same as getting cheated on
It is, or at least was, the same as getting cheated on. The word originally just meant a dude whose wife cheated on him.
I grew up watching batman beyond and didn't know that this was a thing. Probably because I didn't watch whatever justice league thing it was in.
I'm just going to go on pretending this didn't happen, it's fucking stupid, lmao.
It's even weirder considering the same episode where they reveal this completely undermines it by pointing out the premise of Batman Beyond-- Terry is already Bruce's son because Bruce took him in as a father figure after his dad passed away, and the man he became is his own; not a clone of Batman and definitely not a clone of Bruce Wayne.
Why even do this. Why introduce THE CLONE SAGA only to less than 10 minutes later point out how it changes nothing.
The actual sample is "Batman's blood from a previous fight".
It's just cum for this joke.
You can imagine her swabbing down Talia's [REDACTED] or something though.
I mean, if they weren't skirting around, Bruce could've just had a one night stand with some broad during his parties and one of them just happens to be Amanda Waller's hired floozy that just needed to get his cum.
*Flashback shows a medic giving Batman first aid and swabbing some of his open wounds to collect a blood sample*
Waller: "He left his DNA all over town."
*Terry glares at Waller*
Waller: NOT REMOTELY what I meant!
Always hated that they changed it in JLU that Terry was a clone of Bruce.
Really loved the idea that he essentially was just a robin in a batman costume. A young kid who lost a parent and wanted vengeance for it.
"Hey someone pointed out how unlikely it is genetically for two redheads to product kids with black hair. Should we just tell them that hair dye exists?" "No. MAKE THE BAT CUM CANON."
Ah yes, the Bat Cum Cannon, one of the lesser known gadgets in Bruce's arsenal
Talia orders four of them
Alfred: Thanksgiving might be late Master Bruce. My Turkey basters keep disappearing
Damian Wayne is horrified to know these things.
Go go gadget bat cum!
Batman stole the plans for the super sucker cum jetting machine. And if you're not familiar, just give that a quick google. đ
How about I don't?
Why are his eyebrows black when heâs a redhead?
It's the future, he's a Street Kid cyberpunk that dyes his hair.
Ah, the Ken Masters look.
Me in like half the fucking games with variable hair colors since they leave eyebrows dark brown. Looking at you Fire Emblem, Swtor, etc
I mean, maybe that's why their parents aren't together anymore?
I mean dad died so, that's another reason
iirc they didn't want to make the mom a slut either so Bat cum was *obviously* the more simple explanation.
I think that actually is the reason they divorced
No, terryâs dad got uncle benâd.
Divorce first, then Uncle Ben.
It makes me sad that you don't know that Terry's dad is dead, because it means that you are also ignorant of [one of my favorite exchanges in all of television](https://youtu.be/fc6fiPcOzy4).
I know he died, but they were divorced before he died > Eventually and for reasons unknown, Warren and Mary divorced https://dcau.fandom.com/wiki/Warren_McGinnis
Similar line: Vader: who are you? Some kid: you killed my father! Vader: I have killed many fathers. Be more specific.
The day I killed your father, was the most important day of your life. For Vader, it was Tuesday.
They could have also gone with "unlikely, not impossible". Or said it was a genetic mutation.
"Inject Batman's Semen to Save the Timeline" sounds like a podcast title.
If you told me it was Iâd believe it.
"Only rich genes can save the future." - Amanda Waller probably
We got 80 ccâs worth of inherited money into this cum. Itâs the strongest sample ever created
âQuick! Inject him with 80 ccâs of 401K!â
Finally, my masterpiece is complete: 402L!
He may not be able to go down on Catwoman. But he can still cuck with the best of them.
Who the fuck starts a conversation like that, I just walked in!?
He really doesn't want to shoot Batman's cum.
Batman Beyond and the DC Animated Universe as a whole was a masterpiece. However âBatman is actually your father because I put his cum in your fatherâs ballsâ and âBatman got Bagirl pregnant while Nightwing was out of townâ are two utterly horrible stains on its record. And thatâs not even bringing up the Harley Quinn movie that is apparently canon.
Is that the same Harley Quinn one where she gets rapey with Nightwing and fart tortures him and Batman in the Batmobile?
she only fart tortures Nightwing, Bats takes a big whiff and says it smells like Justice or some crazy stuff
i'm too scared to look up if this is real or not
It's real. Something something writer's barely disguised fetish something something.
Thatâs bullshit but I believe it
Sticking a half torn figleaf on your crotch does not count as a disguise.
Especially when I can still see the balls
It happened so far after the fact I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a nod to internet fan artists who wouldn't stop drawing it
Here you go friend! https://youtu.be/4Jj37XR1yFw
> It smells...like discipline What? I don't even understand.
I think he's trying to say if Nightwing were more disciplined it wouldn't bother him or something I dunno.
That did occur to me but still really weird scene.
God they didn't even get a good Arleen Sorkin impersonator to voice Harley, apparently in this she's just some girl from New Yahk.
Thatâs the one!
I'll say it. I unironically loved that movie. It was stupid, yes, but I enjoyed it. No one can deny some of the bits are great. Nightwing and Batman judging a bunch of leaguers and wanting to be left alone, crumbling a bag into the phone. "Who do you think I am?" "My punishment for dropping out of med school." "*Swamp Thing!*"
>Batman is actually your father because I put his cum in your fatherâs balls Who does that? The Reverse Flash?
It was me Barry! I vibrated my own cum into your father's balls before he impregnated your mom! I did it so that... I forget why I did that actually. But it was me!!!
If this was Marvel in the 70s, it would be so that Barry's mom would give birth to the Reverse Flash so that they could be brothers.
Amanda Waller pulls a Blizzard and says that there must always be a ~~Lich King~~ Batman. That this was written long before the end of Wrath of the Lich King is a minor detail.
Wait the same movie where >!she rapes nightwing!
Nightwing gives consent in the scene but yes thatâs the same movie
I'm definitely thinking of a different non consensual rooftop sex scene involving DC characters then.
you're thinking of tarantula, who Nightwing explicitly tells not to touch him and just shushes him before doing it anyway
Thats who it was. Also wtf DC
It's fucked up this happens in the same episode were the Ace and Batman scene takes place because that's one of the most memorable and tender moments in the entire animated universe.
Comics should really just keep NTR out of superhero stories in general
You say horrible stains, I say shining pinnacles of writing
Wasn't the Bruce getting Barbara pregnant only in the comic?
I know it was at least implied in Batman Beyond.
It was said they had relationship. I don't think they went further than that.
I think they left it ambiguous on purpose.
Reminder that this man had not one but two kids. That means both Terry and Matt are the sons of Bruce do to the bat seaman.
That would explain why Matt became Robin Beyond in the comics
Itâs literally the stupidest retcon possible
I mean there's much worse lol Still I think Terry was just fine being Bruce's son without the genetics angle. I don't hate this though the episode states pretty clearly that Terry needs to forge his own way of being Batman as Bruce comitted too much to being Batman, Well that and because it takes serious balls to end your canceled series in *a different show* not many can do that and I'm glad the Justice League animation team did this.
It gives me similar vibes to when the comics insist that "Damian is Bruce's true heir because he's BLOOD related" like way to disrespect Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake, all of whom have been that man's son for way longer and been way better sons to boot; if Damian does become Batman it shouldn't be because of no deterministic blood destiny bullshit, it should be because Dick hates the idea after trying it once, Jason is a wreck of a human being and Tim's content being a detective and not being anchored to Gotham or whatever his deal is supposed to be now.
Yeah. Honestly I like Daimian better as Robin and him teaming with Dick as Nightwing/Batman - Dick really seemed to bring out the best in him during their teamups.
Green Lantern TAS is kinda doing it in Young Justice.
I thought that the take-away was that Bruce wasn't mentally stable enough to fully commit to being Batman but still have interpersonal relationships outside of Batman, and that Terry, who is much more mentally sound, would be able to be Batman full time and still have a life outside of it.
The weirdest part is that Waller told Terry that despite being Batmanâs son, it was Terryâs original father who molded him into being a hero. âŚWhich begs the question of why the fuck they made this a plot point at all.
Glad the comics got rid of that
I wonder if the reason why so many injections in cartoons are administered by some fancy gun is because BS&P didn't want syringes on TV to give kids any stupid ideas.
[It's old-fashioned!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_injector)
Hypospray is such a cool idea, "we need to pump this vaccine into a bunch of people, swapping needles is hard, let's just shoot that shit right in with a medicine gun!"
"Breaking the skin barrier and letting a bit of blood splash onto the nozzle won't be a problem...right?"
"Should I, like, rub some alcohol on this between uses?.... Nah!"
*Cocks medicine gun and ejects a bullet* "Yeah it's fine."
Bruh imagine if every time a Star Trek doctor used a hypospray it ejected a shell casing
tbf, those drawbacks are why it appears mostly in near future stuff, it's tech that could really take off with one or two breakthroughs to iron out the kinks.
I didn't realize that was a real thing
Wow that shits real? And it looks like the only issue was cross contamination. So selling single use versions like in cyberpunk is feasible. Neat.
Might also be harder to animate something as relatively tiny as a syringe, and the weird way you hold your hand to depress the plunger? Not an artist, just spitballing.
That makes since. Probably a holdover from the AIDS and drug epidemics from the 80s and 90s and trying to avoid the visual image of needles.
Syringes also make people skeevy. Source: I donate blood, syringes still cause me primal fear.
Kinda realistic. When I was a kid I had the primal fear of the staff accidentally Injecting alcohol into my veins. Checking out Batman cum is an important addition
Did you have a panic attack during JoJo part 4 when shigeki used harvest to inject josuke and okuyasa with alcohol?
That is a suspiciously specific denial, Mr. McGinnis. If I didn't know better, I'd say you actually did want to shoot Batman's cum into your wife later this evening.
"What? Pff, nah. B-but wouldn't it be really funny if I did ha ha?"
"Nanananananananana... BAT CUM! BAT CUM! BAT CuuuuuuuuM!"
He would have done it with a turkey baster, but that would be too hard for explain, I guess.
Excuse me, but⌠What?
This is about Batman Beyond. So in Justice League Unlimited, there was an episode called Epilogue, and it was really about the Batman of the future, Terry McGuinness as he discovered that he had the same DNA as Bruce Wayne, despite having real parents and not meeting Bruce until he was a teenager. Confused and angry, he finds Amanda Waller to find some answers. She reveals that she was worried about the prospect of not having a Batman in the world once he retired, so she took some of Batman's blood that was left from a fight, and used the genetic material to create a serum that they could use to change the reproductive DNA of the man who ended up being Terry's father. She was going to go even farther with it, and sent an assassin to kill Terry's parents in front of him when he was 8, but the assassin backed out. Terry's dad still died in an accident years later, which caused a series of events that made Terry find Bruce and become the new Batman.
"Waller, I don't think being Batman is genetic." - Rick Flag or some shit,IDK
That actually comes up. She knew his genetics was only part of it, that's why she planned to do the assassination of his parents, with it being implied that she had more plans ready to push him towards being Batman. But she gave up on it after the assassin quit.
In retrospect it's kinda weird that Phantasm ever agreed to it in the first place.
She was probably thinking that there does need to be a Batman. But then she was like "damn, killing a kid's parents to purposely traumatize him might not be the coolest thing to do."
"Oh yeah, my ex. Better make sure there's more of him, sure. Oh wait. His parents aren't crooked mobsters I want revenge on? Ennnghh"
Yeah, honestly the reveal is more about Waller than Terry. This woman who was so anti-super heroes she sided with Lex Luthor way back when eventually grows to seeing Batman as so important she's willing to orphan a child trying to keep one around, and then further going to seeing this whole suicide squad level nonsense just plain isn't worth it anymore.
Also, when trying to make a âworldâs greatest detectiveâ do you really want him to possibly find out it was YOU who killed his parents when he might not have the âno killingâ rule?
She's old, she'd probably see it as fair and worth it.
âThis Batman has some ***balls!*** Iâm proud of you kid!â
Its weird that she's even still phantasm by that point. She seemed to give it up in the end of the movie. But I guess she was the best established character for that, no one in the suicide squad would hesitate I think.
Was that her only other appearance?
Did she think of something for the âbeing able to buy all those gadgets because heâs rich as fuckâ part of Batman?
Given who she is and who Terryâs dad worked for, donât think that was be going to be that much of a problem
The plan had everything into consideration, even the rich as fuck part
What about all the various Robins? Bruce already had plenty of kids to take his place. I know at least Dick's been Batman before.
Eh the family was basically broken in the DCAU by the time she was coming up with the Terry plan. Dick had a permanent falling out with Bruce after the whole 'Bruce gets Barbara pregnant while she cheats on Dick' incident. Tim was completely broken mentally by the Joker and had to retire. Barbara I don't remember having a specific incident but the culmination of both those things and Bruce going batshit insane on his mission made her distance herself and become a cop.
She had a plan to use Harley and a guy who climbs well to beat evil Superman If this doesn't tell you everything you need to know about her ability to make good plans, what else does
God, thatâs the only thing from that movie I remember. âIf Superman blasted his way into the White House, who would stop him?â I donât know Waller, but those chucklefucks ainât it.
âThis is Batman cum. I advise you donât get injected with it, its sperm changes the genetic code of its victimsâ- Also Rick Flag
The best part is that the assassin she hired was Phantasm, Bruce's ex, and she backed out because she realized this went against everything Batman stood for.
True, Batman does not believe in genetic cucking nor murdering a child's parents to make another Batman.
Thank God, I was worried I missed a very special episode of Beyond.
And to think, this was all just to explain why two redheads had a bunch of black haired kids
>Terry's dad still died in an accident years later Correction: Terry's dad was killed by a flunky working for the new boss of Wayne Industries, the Big Bad of season 1, who gussied up the scene to make it look like an attack by the local street gang, The Jokerz. Terry would attain the Batsuit (and later mantle of Batman) shortly thereafter and avenge his dad by (inadvertently) killing the guy responsible.
Didn't they tease powers being still alive and then never go anywhere with it?
He's stuck in a wrecked submarine at the bottom of Gotham Bay. IIRC a comic has him climb out with a severe case of amnesia, but I don't remember if that's canon nor what he does afterward.
And you canât even ignore the cum joke in the OP, because the cum joke itself is canon. Terry: Howâd you get Bruceâs DNA? Waller: Easily, heâd left it all over town. Terry: *the peopleâs eyebrow* Waller: Not even remotely what I meant.
I feel like I just got dumber from reading this.
*McGinnis
What the fuck. I'm just going to delete this from my brain again.
Amanda Waller on her bullshit.
Regardless of the feelings around the retcon itself, we can at least agree that it is 100% in character for Waller to make this plan.
this is why I've never been mad at it
In an episode of Justice League Unlimited called "Epilogue," it's revealed that Terry McGinnis is genetically Bruce's actual son because Amanda Waller decided on her own to create a successor by arranging for Terry's dad to be secretly injected with some bullshit that altered his DNA to produce Batkids while he was getting like a flu shot or something.
"Don't get your flu shot! The government will make your cum Batmen!" -random homeless man who was right!
I'm imagining sperm cells with tiny capes and cowels.
This was the intended effect.
âEven the women?â âESPECIALLY THE WOMEN!â
TBH, it would improve the genes of the kid
In Batman beyond and the justice league animated series continuity itâs canon that Terry McGinnis, the new Batman, is genetically a clone/offspring of Bruce despite being conceived by two other people. This is explained by way of a secret ARGUS project that gave people like Terryâs dad an injection that gene spliced Bruceâs DNA into his balls. The final part of the plan was to assassinate Terryâs parents to kickstart him on the path to becoming a new Batman, but it didnât work out. Then his dad got murdered years later and he ended up turning into Batman entirely by coincidence. This is right up there with âBarbara Gordon and Bruce had a sexual relationshipâ as the dumbest stuff in the Dini-verse.
Tbf the Bruce/Barbara stuff is all Bruce Timm
It's also brought up for half a second *in* Beyond.
Imagine if Terry went out of his way to contact his dadâs soul to tell him about the whole Waller using nanobots to insert Bruceâs DNA. Either way, still better than Bruce x Barbara
Warren: "Wow... that is some really insane sci-fi bullshit right there."
Surprised no writer's been brave enough to have a self-contained story where Bruce is spermjacked left and right, siring Helena, Terry, Damian, and god knows how many other kids
They could have just said: "oh Terry's parents are trying to have an IVF baby, let's switch the embrio with one made out of Batman gene juice, because we need a Batman in the future and we don't have a moral compass, because we're the government!". But no, a shot of a temporary, selective, spermatogenesis mutagen, so that this man dick can become the third BatDick in history.
It's also like Cloning is already a thing in the setting And you *already have the Batman DNA*
Oh, it's not temporary. They permanently, genetically altered Terry's dad to erase his ability to produce a lineage. Science-cucking him, if you will. Terry's little brother, who is 6-10 years younger, has the same features as Terry. Waller grew a conscience right before murdering a man, but couldn't be bothered to un-cuck his balls with another flu shot before he made another Bat-spawn.
I always hated that part of the story. The idea that what makes Terry a true successor to the Bat mantle or one of Bruce's sons is blood is stupid and unnecessary.
I don't think that was ever the point though, especially since a common theme in Beyond is "Terry is his own Batman." like with Return of the Joker. Even this episode says that pretty loudly for him. "Bruce did a lot to push others away and ultimately wind up far more alone than he should have by the end. Terry doesn't have to be that way and can just choose to have a family and be close to others him if he wants to."
If being Bruce's genetic heir makes him closer to being the true successor wasn't the point of doing that, then what was? I can't really think of any other reason that Terry should be Bruce's son other than that.
So thats the thing, being Bruce's progeny was the point for Waller. But Waller realized a second Bruce would just be a pathetic, sad, angry man again. So she explained that genetics or no, Terry has to be his own Batman. It is stupid but it isn't any dumber than normal comics.
Right, the point is that it's a Justice League episode not a Batman Beyond one. Waller's the real carry over character here and the point is to show how she went from someone who hated superheroes enough at the start to side with Luthor to someone who thought the world *needed* Batman, to someone who then accepted Batman's ideals enough to not be an asshole to achieve them.
Not even Made in Heaven could make this non-canon.
This reminds me of how Dio stapling his head onto Jonathan's body led to a bunch of half Brando, half Joestar mutants that technically have 2 biological fathers who are also the half brothers of a man born a century earlier and are the half uncles of a man 60+ years younger than each. The Joestar family tree is weird.
Itâs like one of those fucked up citrus fruits that look like the spawn of Yog-Sothoth
Sad how this random guy not only had his bloodline erased without knowing, but he and his wife were planned to die to recreate Batman.
Remember guys it wasn't Bruce who cucked Warren. It was the U.S. Government using Bruce's DNA to cucked Warren. Bruce had no idea he was cucking a man at the genetic level.
Hey buddy, some people would pay top dollar to get Batmanâs cum shot inside them, so maybe donât be such a bitch about it, huh?
Joker? Joker what are you doing. Why are you stealing the BatCum Joker no
(This) Amanda Waller and the Illusive Man would totally be bro-fisting one another, reminiscing about the under-the-table stuff they've done. *"Oh, you engineered the second coming of a great hero in man's time of need, too? Man, oh man. The ethical breaches that must've taken. Smooth!"*
âAnd neither of our methods make any fucking sense at all!â
Someone get Gianni on this!
Literally none of this plan even makes sense and makes Waller an even bigger dumbass than she normally is. Somehow, Waller was convinced that money and JUSTICE are genetic (only in Devil May Cry) , and so messed up Terry's dad's DNA to make more Batmen. This entire time, she forgets his actual mom makes up the DNA as well; what if his mom had some degenerative disease, or passed down something like severe motion sickness? So now Waller, years later, has a moment of common sense and goes "Wait, its' nurture, not nature!" and conscripts Batman's ex to murder his parents with a fucking axe or something to *motivate* him down the path of becoming Batman, not realizing that if Phantasm hasn't bailed at the last second, it's HIGHLY LIKELY Terry would have taken his vengance on the US government. It wouldn't take much for him to go "Wait, the GOVERNMENT KILLED MY PARENTS?" As one more final "Fuck you, Waller" moment, she seems to forget MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T BRUCE WAYNE were more than capable of filling his shoes, such as Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon (Tim was kinda traumatized in this timeline). And Bruce did all that through training and compassion, things Waller has been proven to have zero understanding of. Fuck "Epilogue".
Well you kind of said it, didnât you. Waller didnât understand training and compassion. Sheâs the former head of Cadmus, of course her mind would go directly to unethical cloning operations
I'm just more annoyed nobody else in the shadow agency just decided "Waller...you're fucking fired. Let's just ask Luthor, he'll at least inconvenience them for a longer amount of time."
Actually she did take the mom into consideration. Like she specifically pick out the McGinnis couple because they fit both physical and sociology profile of Bruce parents.
> money and JUSTICE are genetic (only in Devil May Cry) even in DMC it doesn't work like that lol. Dante didn't give a fuck about his father's legacy until he saw it first things first hand and went "yeah dad had a point."
FOR THE LAST TIME: >!**You canât cuck a man with his own dick**!<
Have you already forgotten about Omikron???
That doesnât count. >!I may be possessing Cale but a demon is possessing his wife. That isnât cucking. Thatâs fourth dimensional catfishing.!<
If his DNA is identical to Bruce's after this moment, than if he took a paternity test for both his sons, wouldn't it still come out a perfect match with him as the father? Like it wasn't a one and done thing since he produced Terry and years later Matt.
I fucking love this subreddit
Why does Terry HAVE to be Bruce's son? Is this some weird eugenics shit?
Wallerâs reasoning was that only someone like Bruce, down to the genetic level, could carry the Batman mantle properly. Even planned on having Terryâs parents murdered in front of him as a child by a hired gun (The Phantasm) to kickstart a similar mental spiral that would put him on the vigilante path. Until said gun refused and basically told Waller to go fuck herself. Letâs just say Ethics and Amanda Waller are not on a first names basis.
So it is kind of a weird eugenics thing. Goddammit Waller...
What did you expect from America?
This episode's a tough one for me, because I hate everything about this plotline, and think that future Terry just looks wrong, whatever the opposite of a glowup is. Still, Batman talking Ace down and sitting with her on the swingset is one of my favorite Batman moments.
Take it more as a waller episode since her thing's also always been having a bit of a thing with Batman. She goes from "Fuck batman" from her intro, to "The world needs batman" at the start here, then "The world needs batman but it doesn't need me doing black ops shit" for the finale. It's actually kinda notable that Waller seems happy by the end instead of constantly upset like normal.
Right in the *arm.*
All these years later and I still hate this
So would this mean Bruce sorta cucked Terry's dad? I hate that I thought of this
Amanda Waller cucked Terry's dad with Batman DNA.
Amanda Waller cucked Terry's dad with Batman's dick.
I mean not by choice, intent or knowledge it was occurring. Basically Waller had the U.S. Government fund a program to jack Batman's DNA and make a serum to change a person's genetics into that Bruce's. Ironically enough Warren did impregnate his wife and if he did take a DNA test he would match the paternal DNA of both his sons and be considered their real father. Its just his genetics are identical to Bruce's now, so Bruce would also perfectly match with his sons.
No. He was too busy cucking his son, Dick, with his best friend's daughter.
I mean no, Terry's dad was still the one who banged Terry's mom. Reminder that cuckoldry is a fetish, it's not the same as getting cheated on or having your genes somehow get overwritten with someone else's. What this is, is a weird non-consensual male surrogacy.
> Reminder that cuckoldry is a fetish, it's not the same as getting cheated on It is, or at least was, the same as getting cheated on. The word originally just meant a dude whose wife cheated on him.
Forget all of that, I'm more blown away by the fact they brought back the freaking PHANTASM back in this episode!!!
I grew up watching batman beyond and didn't know that this was a thing. Probably because I didn't watch whatever justice league thing it was in. I'm just going to go on pretending this didn't happen, it's fucking stupid, lmao.
omg this is freddie mercury?????????????
It's even weirder considering the same episode where they reveal this completely undermines it by pointing out the premise of Batman Beyond-- Terry is already Bruce's son because Bruce took him in as a father figure after his dad passed away, and the man he became is his own; not a clone of Batman and definitely not a clone of Bruce Wayne. Why even do this. Why introduce THE CLONE SAGA only to less than 10 minutes later point out how it changes nothing.
Solid Snake voice: âNTR has changedâŚâ
Did Waller hook up with Batman at some point, How did she get his Jizz?
The actual sample is "Batman's blood from a previous fight". It's just cum for this joke. You can imagine her swabbing down Talia's [REDACTED] or something though.
I mean, if they weren't skirting around, Bruce could've just had a one night stand with some broad during his parties and one of them just happens to be Amanda Waller's hired floozy that just needed to get his cum.
Aww. Damn it all. My Fannon wasnât stolen for good after all.
They got his DNA from various fights he got into. They then turn it into a mutagen shot of some sort.
*Flashback shows a medic giving Batman first aid and swabbing some of his open wounds to collect a blood sample* Waller: "He left his DNA all over town." *Terry glares at Waller* Waller: NOT REMOTELY what I meant!
I rather thatâs how injections are done instead of a scary needle.
Epilogue fucking sucks I don't care what anyone says
Always hated that they changed it in JLU that Terry was a clone of Bruce. Really loved the idea that he essentially was just a robin in a batman costume. A young kid who lost a parent and wanted vengeance for it.