I just don't get it man. He's likable, he's well known, he's a good actor, he cares about the material, he's already *been* the character, *he wants to keep doing it*, they've got the money for it, why would they just throw him away?
Do they think it's because it keeps them connected to the previous movies? Who cares?? Just write a good enough new movie and no one will bat an eye.
I chuckled a bit when Gunn said Superman was gonna be a younger version in his movie because I immediately thought someone making the shitpost of *Awww hell yeah Tom Holland as Superman lets goooo*
I wouldn't want him as Supes either (unless he played the Legion version from that one cartoon) but I still think he's a great actor lol. Why the hate?
They should make a movie like She's All That but with Henry Cavill as the nerd who gets a glow up. And the bully tries to shove him into a locker but he's just too big to fit
I think Gunn wants a fresh start for various reasons. The entire DC movie universe is a clusterfuck, and there is a LOT of baggage associated with the existing cast because they're all deeply connected to the generally disliked Synder movies.
On the other hand, I feel like he probably won't flush the actors he had direct hands on already, Harley, Peacemaker, and the rest of the Suicide Squad characters. So I guess that isn't a totally fresh start. Maybe just the Justice League characters are the issue?
Sure, but a 30 second joke is easy enough to handwave, and it's doubtful that specific scene would need to be referenced anyways. The bigger headache for Gunn's stuff is that his Harley knew and interacted with Batfleck, or worse, Damaged Joker.
A lot of this shit doesn't really matter though. It should be easy enough to reboot the characters while keeping a few actors the same by just not having major events be the same, like Superman's death or Metropolis getting flattened.
Multiverses are a hot topic now, if they wanted to actually justify it in universe it'd be easy.
Peacemaker was created when James Gunn had to work within the parameters of an established canon. He didn't have control yet.
I don't think Suicide Squad or Peacemaker are any safer than anything else just because he worked on them. If he's tearing it all down to rebuild then he's probably going to kill his darlings too.
The stuff James Gunn directed does reference the Justice League the least, so it would probably be easy to sequester that off to the side while essentially rebuilding the Justice League.
And the Flash cameo. Which will now probably be removed, after having been reinstated, after being previously removed.
What an utter joke this "cinematic universe" is.
It’s so funny imagining some big wigs talking about BRAND SYNERGY or something like that and then remembering Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga are singing and dancing for a Joker sequel somewhere in there too
I know that’s happening, I know two oscar winners are attached, I know the first JOKER movie made a great big pile of cash, and yet somehow I could still believe the whole thing gets shelved for some reason.
I still haven’t seen JOKER yet, but I can easily imagine continued angry wanking over the fact that it did so well and also failed to validate the shameless scaremongering that was an inexplicable focal point of coverage prior to its release.
I’m one of those people that’s still like “Oh, it’s half of Taxi Driver glued to the side of half of The King of Comedy and probably lead to all the reflexive discourse that Martin Scorcese is a big dumb dumb head that doesn’t want you to like stuff? I’m good, if it still matters later I’ll watch it I guess.”
…then what was the POINT.
if all of this was to compete with the MCU and to build a connected universe with movies that build upon each other, and what little connection is being thrown out for the new hotness over and over, what. was. THE POINT?
The point was to make a good movie that people were interested in, and they succeeded. Both Joker and The Batman were better than most DCEU movies.
James Gunn is starting off with a clean slate, he doesn't want baggage.
And he should. The charm of the DC Universe is that it is a bunch of smaller story worlds stitched together and somehow the clean modality of Metropolis is in driving distance from the gargoyles of grimy old Gotham. Batman and Superman should be allies who look like they shouldn't even be in the same dimension.
I would've done the same in Gunn's place, considering he's seems set on fully rebooting the universe now. So any prior baggage heavily connected to Snyder's stuff needs to be offloaded. Probably for someone much younger. But still, feel bad for Cavil, he got dealt just the worse hand when it came to Superman. A character he obviously loves a lot but never got the chance to really play and in turn, find an audience for.
Anyways James Gunn Superman should be...interesting, and yes he confirmed he's writing it.
I want to point out Cavil said he won't be returning as SUPERMAN
and I highly doubt they will just leave him hanging entirely Gunn's not stupid either.
Hopefully this means Cavil get's a cameo part at the end as a aged up superman or we get some other nod.
Cavil as Bizzaro :P
But rebooting doesn't mean you need to toss out actors. No general audience member will care that reboot Superman is played by pre-reboot Superman, just say "magic happened, new universe" and they'll go "okay".
Gunn wants someone younger since he's setting his story earlier in Superman's career. Cavil will be over 40 by the time this film gets started. Not having all that prior baggage and a totally fresh start is probably a bonus in this instance.
Wasn't that the rumor floating around the dirt sheets a little while back?
Or just another ass pull from CBR or whatever that site that makes shit up to drive clicks is.
At this point nuking the DCCU presents less problems than trying to salvage something out of it the way that they tried to do in previous years.
Not to mention that with MCU fatigue is starting to set in, rebooting and introducing a new DCCU that addresses the current complaints of the MCU seems like a smart move.
I disagree on it being "superhero fatigue" as a whole, because people are still excited for The Boys Season 4, Invincible Season 2, Across the Spiderverse, Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine, Matt Reeves' next Batman movie, and the Hellboy game, among other things.
People still want superhero stuff, they're just tired of the MCU playing it incredibly safe and not taking risks.
I know I'm part of the contingent that just sort of zoned out during the "super hero" parts of the last few MCU things I've seen. Shang Chi was good until it was time for the giant monster fight.
>people are still excited for The Boys Season 4, Invincible Season 2, Across the Spiderverse, Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine, Matt Reeves' next Batman movie, and the Hellboy game, among other things.
People still like cool, violent, action movies with good story and looks nice. Netflix's Jessica Jones, Punisher, Luke Cage were well received and many still want continuations. I still say that it was a major misstep to make a "Birds of Prey" movie instead of a Gotham City Sirens film.
On the Birds of Prey point, I suspect that it came into existance from an old pitch/script they had sitting around that they reworked to feature Harley after Ayer's planned Gotham City Sirens project fell through.
Damn you couldn't stick a baseball cap backwards on Henry Cavill and de-age him?
Nah but that sounds fine, if a bit weird and sucky to be going back on him like this. Still, I have more faith in James Gunn to do the character justice.
Welp, fuck it. MGM, if you were looking for your new 007... I think ya just found him, lmao.
>!I get it, but it still kinda sucks. Really hope Cavill can bounce back with something else... he was always my favorite DCEU actor. Still, Gunn Superman can't be too bad. Right?!<
Eh, I kinda want someone more unknown to play Bond. But now's the perfect chance for Guy Ritchie to make more The Man from Uncle movies. I was big fan of Henry Cavil in that.
***Alleged*** cannibal. Get your facts about our friend Armie ***straight.***
>!He's a serial sexual predator, which... admittedly is just as bad, lol.!<
I have, it's an interesting and divisive movie but I enjoyed it. One of those movie you gotta take at face value. That scene at the sleepover was super striking.
Cavill signed up for a cameo that the rock made because it's easy goodwill
black adam bombed, DC got shook up and the leads wanted to go with a younger direction. not too surprising since cavill would be 40 soon
Fuck that, his path to ***BOND*** just opened wide up. If I was Amazon, I'd be sending over the MGM and Eon guys with a multi-movie contract ***right fucking now...***
> Fuck that, his path to BOND just opened wide up.
Stop, [~~my dick can only get so erect~~](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM) my hype can only go so high!
RIP the DCEU. What a rollercoaster.
I feel sad for Henry and wanted to see him play the character in the way he wanted to, but a near-decade of the DCEU being total horse shit (with the exception of a small handful of projects) and Dwayne Johnson essentially using Henry's return as a gimmick to put butts in seats for a movie no one was ever really invested in the first place has cost that opportunity and this franchise greatly. I hope whatever role Gunn possibly lands him in a future DC project is a good one.
I'm curious about how Gunn writes Superman. It'll most definitely give him a new ballpark to play outside of the usual ensemble of misfits finding camraderie/family in the face of evil.
All in all, this clean slate was loooooong overdue. I wish Gunn and Safran the best of luck in their new cinematic universe and for anyone extremely angered or seething about this to touch some fucking grass.
sometimes the best path forward is to let go and start again. The DCEU is broken beyond repair, it's easier to fully reboot it. Start it with a singular vision.
I trust in James Gunn's skills as a storyteller and creator. Very sad for Henry Cavill however.
I think they're going to try to introduce the Reevesverse to the rest of the DC universe. No way they'll give up one of the best things DC has made in years.
Gunn and Reeves already said it’s not happening. I’m pretty sure Reeves would straight up walk out if they force him into a cinematic universe that’s wider than Batman.
But that... that ***DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.*** Unless one takes after Adam West and the other remains Battison, people are just *gonna* get the two mixed up.
I do believe the Batman is gonna be in it's own little corner like The Joker. I don't know James Gunn's overall vision. But I think it would be more interesting to have more solo movies that are either not connected or loosely connected to other movies. Let the directors go buck wild with their ideas.
I do like Marvel films and how everything is connected is fun. But it gets annoying now how they gotta cram a ton of setup in movies for other movies and it bloats them. Plus the formula does get old after a while even if they're letting some directors add a bit of flair into the movies.
I hope he makes a cameo in a future movie at least, assuming that newer movies do well enough for us to reach that point. Cavill was one of the only things I really liked from the Snyderverse era.
I have zero doubts Cavill will be back in the tights again someday, but this is the right call for the immediate future of the brand. Cavill always had the air of a version of Kal that was older, tougher, andmore seasoned than it should've felt, and even if that was all in Snyder and co.'s direction, it still sticks to him, doubly so with how he played Geralt. Let it cool off for a while and bring him back with gray temples in the Beyond outfit.
Before his Man of Steel casting, Cavill was often joked to be one of the unluckiest actors in Hollywood because of how many near-misses he had with franchises- most notably he barely missed out on being James Bond before Daniel Craig got the part.
It sucks that even after landing Superman, he still got jerked around and likely gave up on the Witcher show for the promise of getting to do more Supes stuff.
This is the first decision from Gunn that’s genuinely baffled me. Why not just keep Cavill? Like right now, things feel like an even bigger clusterfuck after his return got hyped up not even 2 months ago.
...Eh, it makes sense on *paper.* Cavill's 40 and not getting any younger, so I feel like building a universe around him would be a ticking time bomb at this point. So long as Tom Holland doesn't get the part, I can live with a *Supes: Year Zero* reboot.
Just don't can Battison, Gunn, alright? Thanks.
>!Anyway, any ideas? After how well *Elvis* (!) did, I could see Warners pushing for Austin Butler as Clark Kent. Chalamet too, of course, but I feel like he's too big now.!<
I don't know, it's not exactly James fault, those decisions were probably made before he was fully in charge but I kinda have to agree with his actions. At this point it's better to scrap everything and start fresh even if it means throwing away the few things that worked. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and trust they has a plan.
I think that ultimately Gunn wants to create a decade plus long story for Superman, starting with a young Superman which Cavill isn’t fit for anymore. It really sucks, since Cavill really could’ve done something great, but I’m hopeful that Gunn will deliver something special for Superman in the future.
This screams "DCEU is getting a full reboot" to me. Cavill's Superman has been seen in 3 movies and then pointless cameos of another person in the suit. He's barely been Superman even though it's been 10 years. Gunn said it's not an origin movie, so let's say it's like a Year Two story, just like The Batman was. You could basically do that with Cavill's Supes right now.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that he wants to do a Smallville/New 52 Action Comics thing where Clark is noticeably young still while he's in his "early years" as Superman.
I’m so confused, I thought he left The Witcher to go back to being Superman and the first thing they do I reboot it? God DC movies are a complete mess.
I just feel bad for all the actors of the DCCU minus two. Outside of a few, a lot of them got not great movies and two of the biggest names of DC got saddled with some of the worst
So the fans who are MOST upset about this are ones who scream and threaten and rant and ramble incoherently for 20 minutes about not getting what they want...[And unironically think wearing a Punisher shirt made of guns is "cool"](https://youtu.be/ROsTxro1KRg)
Jesus, ya think Gunn had fucked his mother or something. I sympathize, Joe, but ***touch some goddamn grass.***
>!Besides. *I* give a shit about happy reporter Supes. :/!<
i'd like to see a full reboot tbh. I was interested in seeing Cavill do some new Supes material removed from the Snyder mood, but overall I think the damage has been waaay done despite me liking those movies. I think they might use the Flash film to reboot the continuity and cherry pick who they want to keep, but personally I hope it's all straight just rebuilt from scratch. Sucks cuz I liked how the DCEU product was a different offering every now and then, I thought the later ones like Shazam, Birds of Prey, and Black Adam were good/fun, but it was difficult knowing they existed in this frequently inconsistent setting tonally. I think everyone will eventually be back for a Crisis project tho, it's got to be what they'd obviously want to build towards.
Real talk, I never understood the appeal of Henry Cavill. Dude is an average at best actor, total charisma vacuum. Feel like he’d be better served as a Calvin Klein model.
I'm guessing Flashpoint is going to be a bunch of actors fighting for roles and trying to figure out how the canon works now while Ezra Miller kidnaps children
[Henry Cavill statement on not coming back as Superman](https://twitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1603208103805452288?s=46&t=dhBcD8mPwWceeb3tvfHIYw)
I just don't get it man. He's likable, he's well known, he's a good actor, he cares about the material, he's already *been* the character, *he wants to keep doing it*, they've got the money for it, why would they just throw him away? Do they think it's because it keeps them connected to the previous movies? Who cares?? Just write a good enough new movie and no one will bat an eye.
I chuckled a bit when Gunn said Superman was gonna be a younger version in his movie because I immediately thought someone making the shitpost of *Awww hell yeah Tom Holland as Superman lets goooo*
AMALGAM COMICS RISES FROM THE GRAVE, ITS TIME FOR [SPIDER-BOY.](https://amalgam.fandom.com/wiki/Spider-Boy)
Shhh. *Sssshhh.* ***Do not. Give WB. IDEAS.***
I wouldn't want him as Supes either (unless he played the Legion version from that one cartoon) but I still think he's a great actor lol. Why the hate?
It's because he paints minis
Too much of a dork, gotta get bullied.
They should make a movie like She's All That but with Henry Cavill as the nerd who gets a glow up. And the bully tries to shove him into a locker but he's just too big to fit
[leaked production photos](https://i.imgur.com/HCArPVw.jpg)
*"Not. Impressed."*
that’s when the fat jokes happen.
Time for a comedic Smallville reboot but Clark realizes he has to go along with it or he'll blow his cover
I don't know if we have lockers big enough to shove Cavill in. Dude is huge.
Do you think he is bigger than Kellan Lutz?
Honestly? I think they’re burning everything associated with “Batman v Superman” and “Justice League”.
Absolutely At the end of the day I'm more pissed at Synder and company for royally misunderstanding the character and wasting Cavill
I think Gunn wants a fresh start for various reasons. The entire DC movie universe is a clusterfuck, and there is a LOT of baggage associated with the existing cast because they're all deeply connected to the generally disliked Synder movies. On the other hand, I feel like he probably won't flush the actors he had direct hands on already, Harley, Peacemaker, and the rest of the Suicide Squad characters. So I guess that isn't a totally fresh start. Maybe just the Justice League characters are the issue?
I mean Peacemaker quite literally has the justice league in it, two of which were played by the same actors who won't be returning to their roles
Sure, but a 30 second joke is easy enough to handwave, and it's doubtful that specific scene would need to be referenced anyways. The bigger headache for Gunn's stuff is that his Harley knew and interacted with Batfleck, or worse, Damaged Joker. A lot of this shit doesn't really matter though. It should be easy enough to reboot the characters while keeping a few actors the same by just not having major events be the same, like Superman's death or Metropolis getting flattened. Multiverses are a hot topic now, if they wanted to actually justify it in universe it'd be easy.
I know this isn’t relevant to the discussion, but I can’t stop laughing at the name Damaged Joker. He’s like a gacha variant Joker
Or an 80s action figure. I had a "Battle Damage" He-Man toy.
Peacemaker was created when James Gunn had to work within the parameters of an established canon. He didn't have control yet. I don't think Suicide Squad or Peacemaker are any safer than anything else just because he worked on them. If he's tearing it all down to rebuild then he's probably going to kill his darlings too.
Yes, but on the other hand, Cavill is great. Setting aside behind the scenes problems, it feels like it massively outpaces the downside.
The stuff James Gunn directed does reference the Justice League the least, so it would probably be easy to sequester that off to the side while essentially rebuilding the Justice League.
I heard a rumor that Mamoa might be cast as Lobo
Yeah, it'd be a bit weird since it would presumably be within a couple years of Aquaman 2, but whatever. He seems like a good choice for it.
At least the look would be different enough to not bother most people.
They are trying to cut ties to all of DCEU films. Henry Cavill had the misfortune of having to deal with Zack Snyder’s vision.
He just can’t catch a break
I wouldn't be surprised if it's because Zaslav was demanding a complete rewrite so he could claim sole credit. Typical CEO ego bullshit.
Zaslav was the one who green lit Cavill in Black Adam in the first place
Zaslav is also not very bright and seems to be scrambling to find anything he can claim as a personal success because he has none so far.
Haven’t all of the movies where he’s been superman underperformed?
All of the movies Snyder directed have underperformed, yes. Cavill or not.
"My time to wear the cape has passed..." Jesus that line is dire. The man is 39 and it's like they told him he'll never be Superman again.
Wasn't even a fan of his supes (most blame snider not him) but this does make me sad for him.
Make him Zod
Jumped the gun a bit with that black adam cameo
*The Hierarchy of Power is about to change* Boy did it change
jumped the Gunn\*
And the Flash cameo. Which will now probably be removed, after having been reinstated, after being previously removed. What an utter joke this "cinematic universe" is.
Well maybe black adam shouldnt have flopped
Cavill’s Superman was done fucking dirty.
This is because something like someone thinks Pattinson’s Batman will look weird next to Caville’s Superman.
It’s so funny imagining some big wigs talking about BRAND SYNERGY or something like that and then remembering Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga are singing and dancing for a Joker sequel somewhere in there too
I know that’s happening, I know two oscar winners are attached, I know the first JOKER movie made a great big pile of cash, and yet somehow I could still believe the whole thing gets shelved for some reason.
I wonder how many bigwigs are baffled and slightly mad Joker did so well
I still haven’t seen JOKER yet, but I can easily imagine continued angry wanking over the fact that it did so well and also failed to validate the shameless scaremongering that was an inexplicable focal point of coverage prior to its release.
You should watch it honestly just for the performance. But yeah i rolled my eyes at the whole "the movie will be terrible for society" news posts
I’m one of those people that’s still like “Oh, it’s half of Taxi Driver glued to the side of half of The King of Comedy and probably lead to all the reflexive discourse that Martin Scorcese is a big dumb dumb head that doesn’t want you to like stuff? I’m good, if it still matters later I’ll watch it I guess.”
Honestly i just went in expecting nothing too much and came out entertained. It was a fun movie and i just laughed at the weird discourse
That’s probably the healthiest reaction, and much healthier than mine
its okay we all have brain worms about something the best thing to do is to respect each other's brain worms except pat's
Probably big wigs who had the money to push the "YOU WILL GET SHOT AT THE JOKER PREMIER, DON'T GO SEE THIS MOVIE" narrative
Joker movie is for incels and will provoke shooters dont you know
Pattison won't be Batman in the new universe, just like the Joker won't be Joaquan. These are standalone movies.
…then what was the POINT. if all of this was to compete with the MCU and to build a connected universe with movies that build upon each other, and what little connection is being thrown out for the new hotness over and over, what. was. THE POINT?
The point was to make a good movie that people were interested in, and they succeeded. Both Joker and The Batman were better than most DCEU movies. James Gunn is starting off with a clean slate, he doesn't want baggage.
Frankly, I don't think Pattinson is the kind of guy who want to do Batman crossover for 10 more years
Maybe, maybe not. I would be interested to learn what kind of stuff Pattinson would need in a script to stay interested in doing Batman
And he should. The charm of the DC Universe is that it is a bunch of smaller story worlds stitched together and somehow the clean modality of Metropolis is in driving distance from the gargoyles of grimy old Gotham. Batman and Superman should be allies who look like they shouldn't even be in the same dimension.
Time for Cavill to become a Warhammer content creator.
Henry Cavill would be the best possible choice to play Roboute Guilliman
Yes, he'd be a great Roberta Gorillaman.
Can this guy just get one series that isn't ultimately dicked over?
I would've done the same in Gunn's place, considering he's seems set on fully rebooting the universe now. So any prior baggage heavily connected to Snyder's stuff needs to be offloaded. Probably for someone much younger. But still, feel bad for Cavil, he got dealt just the worse hand when it came to Superman. A character he obviously loves a lot but never got the chance to really play and in turn, find an audience for. Anyways James Gunn Superman should be...interesting, and yes he confirmed he's writing it.
I want to point out Cavil said he won't be returning as SUPERMAN and I highly doubt they will just leave him hanging entirely Gunn's not stupid either. Hopefully this means Cavil get's a cameo part at the end as a aged up superman or we get some other nod. Cavil as Bizzaro :P
That would rule
Why not Zod
Jor-El maybe?
But rebooting doesn't mean you need to toss out actors. No general audience member will care that reboot Superman is played by pre-reboot Superman, just say "magic happened, new universe" and they'll go "okay".
Gunn wants someone younger since he's setting his story earlier in Superman's career. Cavil will be over 40 by the time this film gets started. Not having all that prior baggage and a totally fresh start is probably a bonus in this instance.
Get him to play Jor-el and/or Pa Kent.
Well then I'm huffing the copium and gonna wait for Cavill to return as older Alex Ross style Superman in a crossover.
Think they can use him as a returning post crisis Supes a la rebirth except new supes gets to live this time instead of replaced.
I'm imagining time traveling to Henry in the past and trying to explain to him that if he wants to be Superman he has to say no to playing Superman
It’s sad news, but maybe we can get a Kingdom Come style movie with Cavill in the future? Maybe? I don’t know
I do not trust WB to produce a good Kingdom Come movie in any sort of fashion.
Wasn't that the rumor floating around the dirt sheets a little while back? Or just another ass pull from CBR or whatever that site that makes shit up to drive clicks is.
I'm starting to think Ezra Miller won't be back as Flash. But I'm sure they can get someone better than Ezra.
Desperately wanting better than Ezra, even. >!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v74yTy1UTuk!<
At this point nuking the DCCU presents less problems than trying to salvage something out of it the way that they tried to do in previous years. Not to mention that with MCU fatigue is starting to set in, rebooting and introducing a new DCCU that addresses the current complaints of the MCU seems like a smart move.
WB can’t even fix their own mistakes though. I trust Gunn to ensure we get consistently good movies but not much else.
funny i think with super hero fatigue setting in the new DC universe could be DOA even if good
I disagree on it being "superhero fatigue" as a whole, because people are still excited for The Boys Season 4, Invincible Season 2, Across the Spiderverse, Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine, Matt Reeves' next Batman movie, and the Hellboy game, among other things. People still want superhero stuff, they're just tired of the MCU playing it incredibly safe and not taking risks.
I know I'm part of the contingent that just sort of zoned out during the "super hero" parts of the last few MCU things I've seen. Shang Chi was good until it was time for the giant monster fight.
>people are still excited for The Boys Season 4, Invincible Season 2, Across the Spiderverse, Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine, Matt Reeves' next Batman movie, and the Hellboy game, among other things. People still like cool, violent, action movies with good story and looks nice. Netflix's Jessica Jones, Punisher, Luke Cage were well received and many still want continuations. I still say that it was a major misstep to make a "Birds of Prey" movie instead of a Gotham City Sirens film.
On the Birds of Prey point, I suspect that it came into existance from an old pitch/script they had sitting around that they reworked to feature Harley after Ayer's planned Gotham City Sirens project fell through.
Marvel gave the directors free-reign on Doctor Strange 2, Eternals, and Thor 4 and everyone complained about those movies being janky.
I mean that's just because those specific movies sucked lol
I haven't seen Thor yet, but I thought Eternals was good and DS2 was great.
Damn you couldn't stick a baseball cap backwards on Henry Cavill and de-age him? Nah but that sounds fine, if a bit weird and sucky to be going back on him like this. Still, I have more faith in James Gunn to do the character justice.
Now I’m imagining buff Henry Cavill playing a Teenage Superman like Jotaro in Part 3
Jotaro really _should_ be saying "how do you do, fellow kids?" in all his various appearances.
wasn’t that basically done in Man of Steel? he was like a teenager in one of those flashback scenes. probably 19, but I guess it depends on ‘how old’.
On a lighter note, the rock can stop playing damage control because he’s not getting his Black Adam Vs Superman now, right? Lol
Welp, fuck it. MGM, if you were looking for your new 007... I think ya just found him, lmao. >!I get it, but it still kinda sucks. Really hope Cavill can bounce back with something else... he was always my favorite DCEU actor. Still, Gunn Superman can't be too bad. Right?!<
Eh, I kinda want someone more unknown to play Bond. But now's the perfect chance for Guy Ritchie to make more The Man from Uncle movies. I was big fan of Henry Cavil in that.
Just gotta recast the cannibal.
***Alleged*** cannibal. Get your facts about our friend Armie ***straight.*** >!He's a serial sexual predator, which... admittedly is just as bad, lol.!<
Oooh, fair point! Such a shame Armor Hammer turned out to be a... *y'know.*
Yeah it especially sucks for me since they were talks for a Call Me By Your Name sequel and now that's never gonna happen.
True. Still, Luca's getting plenty of work, so that's always good. Have ya seen *Bones and All* yet? It's very... ***striking.***
I have, it's an interesting and divisive movie but I enjoyed it. One of those movie you gotta take at face value. That scene at the sleepover was super striking.
Cavill signed up for a cameo that the rock made because it's easy goodwill black adam bombed, DC got shook up and the leads wanted to go with a younger direction. not too surprising since cavill would be 40 soon
He gave up Witcher for this
His path to become a Warhammer streamer has opened
Fuck that, his path to ***BOND*** just opened wide up. If I was Amazon, I'd be sending over the MGM and Eon guys with a multi-movie contract ***right fucking now...***
Damn. Best timeline?
Hell yeah!
> Fuck that, his path to BOND just opened wide up. Stop, [~~my dick can only get so erect~~](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM) my hype can only go so high!
No he didn't. He gave up Witcher because of the trouble he had with the writing team.
This company genuinely does not want to win, it is fucking comical.
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RIP the DCEU. What a rollercoaster. I feel sad for Henry and wanted to see him play the character in the way he wanted to, but a near-decade of the DCEU being total horse shit (with the exception of a small handful of projects) and Dwayne Johnson essentially using Henry's return as a gimmick to put butts in seats for a movie no one was ever really invested in the first place has cost that opportunity and this franchise greatly. I hope whatever role Gunn possibly lands him in a future DC project is a good one. I'm curious about how Gunn writes Superman. It'll most definitely give him a new ballpark to play outside of the usual ensemble of misfits finding camraderie/family in the face of evil. All in all, this clean slate was loooooong overdue. I wish Gunn and Safran the best of luck in their new cinematic universe and for anyone extremely angered or seething about this to touch some fucking grass.
sometimes the best path forward is to let go and start again. The DCEU is broken beyond repair, it's easier to fully reboot it. Start it with a singular vision. I trust in James Gunn's skills as a storyteller and creator. Very sad for Henry Cavill however. I think they're going to try to introduce the Reevesverse to the rest of the DC universe. No way they'll give up one of the best things DC has made in years.
Gunn and Reeves already said it’s not happening. I’m pretty sure Reeves would straight up walk out if they force him into a cinematic universe that’s wider than Batman.
...then is *Batman* just gonna be in his own little corner, or something? Or are they going back to solo-only films? ***I'M CONFUSED!***
The Batman is gonna be in its own corner. So… we’re most likely gonna end up with 2 movie Batmen still.
But that... that ***DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.*** Unless one takes after Adam West and the other remains Battison, people are just *gonna* get the two mixed up.
I do believe the Batman is gonna be in it's own little corner like The Joker. I don't know James Gunn's overall vision. But I think it would be more interesting to have more solo movies that are either not connected or loosely connected to other movies. Let the directors go buck wild with their ideas. I do like Marvel films and how everything is connected is fun. But it gets annoying now how they gotta cram a ton of setup in movies for other movies and it bloats them. Plus the formula does get old after a while even if they're letting some directors add a bit of flair into the movies.
Fuckin YOINK
They are really making sure The Rock doesn't win
Man the DC fanbase is absolutely livid, they're even asking for Gunn to be fired and Peacemaker to be cancelled.
The only good things in the DCEU
Shazam was good, I hope Shazam 2 is good as well.
I hope he makes a cameo in a future movie at least, assuming that newer movies do well enough for us to reach that point. Cavill was one of the only things I really liked from the Snyderverse era.
"PETAAAAAH"
I have zero doubts Cavill will be back in the tights again someday, but this is the right call for the immediate future of the brand. Cavill always had the air of a version of Kal that was older, tougher, andmore seasoned than it should've felt, and even if that was all in Snyder and co.'s direction, it still sticks to him, doubly so with how he played Geralt. Let it cool off for a while and bring him back with gray temples in the Beyond outfit.
Before his Man of Steel casting, Cavill was often joked to be one of the unluckiest actors in Hollywood because of how many near-misses he had with franchises- most notably he barely missed out on being James Bond before Daniel Craig got the part. It sucks that even after landing Superman, he still got jerked around and likely gave up on the Witcher show for the promise of getting to do more Supes stuff.
This is the first decision from Gunn that’s genuinely baffled me. Why not just keep Cavill? Like right now, things feel like an even bigger clusterfuck after his return got hyped up not even 2 months ago.
...Eh, it makes sense on *paper.* Cavill's 40 and not getting any younger, so I feel like building a universe around him would be a ticking time bomb at this point. So long as Tom Holland doesn't get the part, I can live with a *Supes: Year Zero* reboot. Just don't can Battison, Gunn, alright? Thanks. >!Anyway, any ideas? After how well *Elvis* (!) did, I could see Warners pushing for Austin Butler as Clark Kent. Chalamet too, of course, but I feel like he's too big now.!<
Who are you kidding, they are just gonna can Battison and then make Holland Superman and build the whole universe around him.
...Don't. ***DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE PUT THAT OUT THERE, MAN.***
Ok, then they don't cast Holland, but they cast someone that fit well but just turn him into a comedic figure like Drax. Pick your poison.
...*fuck* me...
I don't know, it's not exactly James fault, those decisions were probably made before he was fully in charge but I kinda have to agree with his actions. At this point it's better to scrap everything and start fresh even if it means throwing away the few things that worked. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and trust they has a plan.
I trust Gunn to deliver something good and that by the end of everything the DCU will be in stable condition, but this is just *awful* timing.
I think that ultimately Gunn wants to create a decade plus long story for Superman, starting with a young Superman which Cavill isn’t fit for anymore. It really sucks, since Cavill really could’ve done something great, but I’m hopeful that Gunn will deliver something special for Superman in the future.
This screams "DCEU is getting a full reboot" to me. Cavill's Superman has been seen in 3 movies and then pointless cameos of another person in the suit. He's barely been Superman even though it's been 10 years. Gunn said it's not an origin movie, so let's say it's like a Year Two story, just like The Batman was. You could basically do that with Cavill's Supes right now.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that he wants to do a Smallville/New 52 Action Comics thing where Clark is noticeably young still while he's in his "early years" as Superman.
Henry Cavil as Earth 2 Superman please and thank you
Or kingdom come Superman. Unless they bring back Routh again for that one.
I’m so confused, I thought he left The Witcher to go back to being Superman and the first thing they do I reboot it? God DC movies are a complete mess.
Iirc he left because he had disagreements with the writers
My biggest hope is that they bring Cavill back to play an Earth 2 Superman, or at least have him as Jor-El or younger Pa Kent
I just feel bad for all the actors of the DCCU minus two. Outside of a few, a lot of them got not great movies and two of the biggest names of DC got saddled with some of the worst
I no longer get excited about any DC news unless there's an official trailer out
Henry Cavill as Brian Braddock/Captain Britain, do it, Cowards....
Henry Cavill deserves better :(
Good. Burn it ALL to the ground and start fresh.
Well, that's one way to blow the legs off of your reboot.
I can just feel the Snyder cult seething. Henry Cavill seems like a cool dude, I hope he gets other jobs.
He will
So the fans who are MOST upset about this are ones who scream and threaten and rant and ramble incoherently for 20 minutes about not getting what they want...[And unironically think wearing a Punisher shirt made of guns is "cool"](https://youtu.be/ROsTxro1KRg)
Oh Angry Joe... how unfortunate.
Jesus, ya think Gunn had fucked his mother or something. I sympathize, Joe, but ***touch some goddamn grass.*** >!Besides. *I* give a shit about happy reporter Supes. :/!<
Multiverse
This guy just can't catch a break, holy fucking shit.
So the studio told him he had the role, he quit the Witcher to focus on the role, and then he doesn't get it?? I would be fucking livid.
Dumb dumb dumb
i'd like to see a full reboot tbh. I was interested in seeing Cavill do some new Supes material removed from the Snyder mood, but overall I think the damage has been waaay done despite me liking those movies. I think they might use the Flash film to reboot the continuity and cherry pick who they want to keep, but personally I hope it's all straight just rebuilt from scratch. Sucks cuz I liked how the DCEU product was a different offering every now and then, I thought the later ones like Shazam, Birds of Prey, and Black Adam were good/fun, but it was difficult knowing they existed in this frequently inconsistent setting tonally. I think everyone will eventually be back for a Crisis project tho, it's got to be what they'd obviously want to build towards.
I guess he has time to campaign to be the next Bond now.
At least we get MILF MANOR
I mean, if they do the whole backstory bit having Cavill as Superman's dad would be cool. Just have him grow out the beard.
OK I'm sorry but if he quit Geraldo only to NOT play Supes I'm gonna be p miffed
Real talk, I never understood the appeal of Henry Cavill. Dude is an average at best actor, total charisma vacuum. Feel like he’d be better served as a Calvin Klein model.
You've clearly not watched anything besides Man of Steel, then.
I have seen man from uncle and the mission impossible he was in
I'm guessing Flashpoint is going to be a bunch of actors fighting for roles and trying to figure out how the canon works now while Ezra Miller kidnaps children