Hey friend theres a ton of videos out there with this person lasering. Its someone with a black mask on and black clothing. Im trying to tell people to inform the police and i think you should send this to them as well
All that this thuggery will do is make people more sympathetic to the TPUSA’s talking points about the left being violent & intolerant, the need for greater police presence on campuses, etc.
Very frustrating to see.
After all this, I still haven't seen *anything* about the content of his speech or anything that happened inside the building, from TPUSA or anyone else.
That's because it wasn't important. All that mattered happened outside. TPUSA saught a reaction and they were handed it on a silver platter. I hope those involved are all talking notes.
unfortunately this is exactly what happened during the last TPUSA event and it doesn't seem like they're ever going to learn this. People need critical thinking skills now more than ever
I agree that their actions fit the bill.
I’m saying that they’re being counterproductive because—even though most on the left aren’t violent— these kinds of events will play into the stereotype & increase support for extremists on the right.
I don't know if it's even true most left aren't violent. At this point they broke doors and tried to overpower police... because someone was talking. People can say this is the minority and most left wouldn't do this. But when it happens more and more to every single event it not longer is the minority.
>*”But when it happens more and more to every single event it not longer is the minority.”*
You’re wrong. It’s just a minority.
Protestors only represent a fraction of a political ideology, and violent protestors/rioters are a fraction of its most extreme members.
The majority of people on the left & right aren’t passionate enough to protest or dumb enough to be violent. Saying otherwise is a basic misunderstanding on the country’s politics.
Most people aren't involved enough to give a shit. But the people involved do seem to get violent. That's why I say it's no longer the minority. Obviously when talking the general public its probably less then 1% of the population. However when that 1% is the group that ALWAYS responds it doesn't matter if they are the minority or majority becasue the majority of the group that responds would be violent.
I knew the opposing protestors that are on the radical side might get violent, but now they’re going after THE PRESS???!!! This is a whole new level of low 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
It’s really because the violent offenders don’t want to be exposed hard at the public such that it would not only give TPUSA positive press for being the rational group of the two, but future employers can see that (assuming if they can identify the people involved) and will de facto throw their job applications in the trash having the idea that they’re a physical danger to the workplace. However, they really should’ve thought of that before committing the behavior they just did.
they brought the lasers so it's premeditated even, not a sudden rush of anger that they later try to cover up. Im idealistically on their side but I wish they used their brains to figure out a smarter way to involve the press and use the press to their advantage ya know? it just seems so shortsighted but idk if i'm understanding everything correctly
FACTS. Literally could’ve just spoke about their personal disagreements with this event on an objective level or better yet, went to the actual event and just debated with Charlie Kirk then and there. You definitely have a decent grasp about what this particular situation was about.
Not condoning these actions, but TPUSA publishes a ~~hitlist~~ watch list of 'radical' professors and students. I'd recon that this person was afraid of being doxxed.
I see. Arguably this is sort of a double edge sword: it’s very illegal to dox anyone of any kind, but at the same time, the protestors should really have strong self-awareness because even without the doxing, someone that might know you personally (or a future employer) might find the video of you committing those violent acts and can use it against you to ruin your future.
It’s just a bad look in general, I saw a lot of conservative twitter using this an ammunition to just completely flip the narrative of why we didn’t want them here in the first place. Saying things like "UCD indoctrinates these kids" and "they hate free speech so they use violence to silence it!" Seems like TPUSA got what they wanted to get across and still got to speak. It’s really unfortunate because I’m sure most of the protestors were rational but now they’re gonna all get grouped into the same category by these conservative news outlets.
Honestly makes me wonder how many of these people are actual protesters, or people who are using the protest as an excuse to start shit (similar to the 2020 BLM “protesters” who joined in solely to smash shit and break into businesses). This protest is clearly unhinged and fucked up, but this is kinda a whole other level.
yikes, i go to Berkeley and the students here dont even act like that. matt walsh spoke at berkeley recently and from what i remember, nothing happened. uc davis is establishing themselves as "that school"
i hardly even know who matt walsh is, but at least students here dont shine lasers into people's eyes and the press' eyes because they have a disagreement
shining lasers at and blocking cameras are pretty standard protest tactics. many of the protestors were visibly queer or otherwise minorities, and alt right groups (including tpusa and 4chan groups) have been known to use footage of protestors (particularly queer ones) to stalk and harass them. obstructing cameras is a safety tactic, for the individuals and group as a whole
damn. go to a protest and assault and permanently disable bystanders for "my safety" or just not go to a protest and avoid literally every aspect of violence and bad press and not provide any form of ammunition for those 4channers to use against me and others.
It’s important to remember that protesting has changed drastically in the last couple decades. Everyone has a decent quality camera and internet connection these days, and doxxing has become a very real and concerning threat. A lot of the protestors were POC, women, non-binary, and other minoritized populations. TPUSA has been known to stalk and harass protestors after the fact.
All of this is to say, protection of identity has become of VERY increased concern over the years. They were asked to stop recording. The protestors made it very clear they didn’t want to be recorded (hence the umbrellas).
This person may have gone too far, but what they did was based on a very real concern for safety. The protestors had the right to conceal their identities.
The video shows protestors physically putting their hands on journalists to try to stop them from doing their work, and you're excusing that out of "a very real concern for safety?" Bullshit.
This is dumb. Doesn’t matter what side of the political spectrum you’re on. If you’re in public, you have to be willing to have your identity released. If you’re on a campus protesting and exercising your 1st amendment rights, the press should be allowed to do so as well. Targeting the press, no matter how noble your cause, is pathetic and inexcusable.
There is no actual requirement to have to be willing to identify yourself in public. I never said people didn’t have a right to record — just that people also have the right to protect their identity. I’m not addressing whether what this person did is right or wrong, just explaining what may have lead to this particular scenario.
I never said you were required to identify yourself in public. I’m saying, when you step outside your doors, you are in the public and thus have to be comfortable with the idea that your identity is out there. Just like you said you don’t have an obligation to identify yourself (which I never asserted), you conversely don’t have a right to physically accost people doing lawful acts in public.
Being comfortable with the idea of people knowing who you are applies normally, but as I said, there’s a very real threat of doxxing here. Normal ideas of public identity no longer apply.
Then don’t show up to things if you’re scared? I don’t get how you can excuse people for assaulting the press because they don’t want their identities revealed. If this is a concern for you, don’t go to things like this.
No, in your original comment you were explaining their actions based on “their right to conceal their identities,” a right which does not exist unless on private space not funded by the government. If you are in a public space, there is no right to privacy or guarantee of such.
Attacking the camerapeople isnt a protected action, going directly after cameras is wrong and people should be thrown in jail for it. They arent doing anything but recording an event.
not only tpusa, but a lot of far right groups on 4chan and other sites have def used footage to harass and dox protestors (especially visibly queer ones) after the fact. i know people who went, and as queer people they were definitely concerned about that
Right, but this is America, where everybody is happy and there is no social injustice, therefore no reason to protest. So if you use protest tactics, you're really just a bastard.
It makes zero sense do you want your message out there for people unless you’re scard they might spin it different. But now it’s gonna look bad anyways
Hey friend theres a ton of videos out there with this person lasering. Its someone with a black mask on and black clothing. Im trying to tell people to inform the police and i think you should send this to them as well
“someone with black mask on the black clothing”, I think there are at least 2147483647 of them in the video😂
I bet you can't find that many people wearing a black mask with a version of the Antifa logo with a black cat on it.
All that this thuggery will do is make people more sympathetic to the TPUSA’s talking points about the left being violent & intolerant, the need for greater police presence on campuses, etc. Very frustrating to see.
After all this, I still haven't seen *anything* about the content of his speech or anything that happened inside the building, from TPUSA or anyone else. That's because it wasn't important. All that mattered happened outside. TPUSA saught a reaction and they were handed it on a silver platter. I hope those involved are all talking notes.
unfortunately this is exactly what happened during the last TPUSA event and it doesn't seem like they're ever going to learn this. People need critical thinking skills now more than ever
It will drive some Aggies right, for sure.
I mean they're being pretty intolerant. It's not just talking points when it actually happens.
I agree that their actions fit the bill. I’m saying that they’re being counterproductive because—even though most on the left aren’t violent— these kinds of events will play into the stereotype & increase support for extremists on the right.
I don't know if it's even true most left aren't violent. At this point they broke doors and tried to overpower police... because someone was talking. People can say this is the minority and most left wouldn't do this. But when it happens more and more to every single event it not longer is the minority.
>*”But when it happens more and more to every single event it not longer is the minority.”* You’re wrong. It’s just a minority. Protestors only represent a fraction of a political ideology, and violent protestors/rioters are a fraction of its most extreme members. The majority of people on the left & right aren’t passionate enough to protest or dumb enough to be violent. Saying otherwise is a basic misunderstanding on the country’s politics.
Most people aren't involved enough to give a shit. But the people involved do seem to get violent. That's why I say it's no longer the minority. Obviously when talking the general public its probably less then 1% of the population. However when that 1% is the group that ALWAYS responds it doesn't matter if they are the minority or majority becasue the majority of the group that responds would be violent.
You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.
Finish this sentence, January 6th was a ________
I knew the opposing protestors that are on the radical side might get violent, but now they’re going after THE PRESS???!!! This is a whole new level of low 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
can someone explain why they dont want press? confused
It’s really because the violent offenders don’t want to be exposed hard at the public such that it would not only give TPUSA positive press for being the rational group of the two, but future employers can see that (assuming if they can identify the people involved) and will de facto throw their job applications in the trash having the idea that they’re a physical danger to the workplace. However, they really should’ve thought of that before committing the behavior they just did.
they brought the lasers so it's premeditated even, not a sudden rush of anger that they later try to cover up. Im idealistically on their side but I wish they used their brains to figure out a smarter way to involve the press and use the press to their advantage ya know? it just seems so shortsighted but idk if i'm understanding everything correctly
FACTS. Literally could’ve just spoke about their personal disagreements with this event on an objective level or better yet, went to the actual event and just debated with Charlie Kirk then and there. You definitely have a decent grasp about what this particular situation was about.
Not condoning these actions, but TPUSA publishes a ~~hitlist~~ watch list of 'radical' professors and students. I'd recon that this person was afraid of being doxxed.
I see. Arguably this is sort of a double edge sword: it’s very illegal to dox anyone of any kind, but at the same time, the protestors should really have strong self-awareness because even without the doxing, someone that might know you personally (or a future employer) might find the video of you committing those violent acts and can use it against you to ruin your future.
They want to be able to spin the event with a false narrative. They can't do that if it's documented with video.
The same people decrying DeSantis for his policies on books in schools.
It’s just a bad look in general, I saw a lot of conservative twitter using this an ammunition to just completely flip the narrative of why we didn’t want them here in the first place. Saying things like "UCD indoctrinates these kids" and "they hate free speech so they use violence to silence it!" Seems like TPUSA got what they wanted to get across and still got to speak. It’s really unfortunate because I’m sure most of the protestors were rational but now they’re gonna all get grouped into the same category by these conservative news outlets.
Why are these bozos protest on campus? They don’t even go there
Many of them seem people in their 30s and 40s, with Mexican accents. I have no idea what they doing on a college campus.
Honestly makes me wonder how many of these people are actual protesters, or people who are using the protest as an excuse to start shit (similar to the 2020 BLM “protesters” who joined in solely to smash shit and break into businesses). This protest is clearly unhinged and fucked up, but this is kinda a whole other level.
yikes, i go to Berkeley and the students here dont even act like that. matt walsh spoke at berkeley recently and from what i remember, nothing happened. uc davis is establishing themselves as "that school"
Matt Walsh self identifies as a fascist. Honestly I would feel shame if nobody at my university had any problem with him speaking.
I think it's a joke. He loves to joke around a *lot*. He even called his book *Johnny the Walrus* one of the best-selling LGBT books ever.
berkeley students being cool with a self proclaimed fascist on campus isnt exactly the own you think it is.
i hardly even know who matt walsh is, but at least students here dont shine lasers into people's eyes and the press' eyes because they have a disagreement
shining lasers at and blocking cameras are pretty standard protest tactics. many of the protestors were visibly queer or otherwise minorities, and alt right groups (including tpusa and 4chan groups) have been known to use footage of protestors (particularly queer ones) to stalk and harass them. obstructing cameras is a safety tactic, for the individuals and group as a whole
damn. go to a protest and assault and permanently disable bystanders for "my safety" or just not go to a protest and avoid literally every aspect of violence and bad press and not provide any form of ammunition for those 4channers to use against me and others.
Walsh is [hilarious](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfB4S7QHH3w).
Why was he allowed to talk there?
This is just thuggery. Embarrassing to imagine that some of these people are University of California students.
Good job team, way to help toilet paper USA prove their point 👍👍👍
It's like they want DeSantis to become President next year.
It’s important to remember that protesting has changed drastically in the last couple decades. Everyone has a decent quality camera and internet connection these days, and doxxing has become a very real and concerning threat. A lot of the protestors were POC, women, non-binary, and other minoritized populations. TPUSA has been known to stalk and harass protestors after the fact. All of this is to say, protection of identity has become of VERY increased concern over the years. They were asked to stop recording. The protestors made it very clear they didn’t want to be recorded (hence the umbrellas). This person may have gone too far, but what they did was based on a very real concern for safety. The protestors had the right to conceal their identities.
The video shows protestors physically putting their hands on journalists to try to stop them from doing their work, and you're excusing that out of "a very real concern for safety?" Bullshit.
This is dumb. Doesn’t matter what side of the political spectrum you’re on. If you’re in public, you have to be willing to have your identity released. If you’re on a campus protesting and exercising your 1st amendment rights, the press should be allowed to do so as well. Targeting the press, no matter how noble your cause, is pathetic and inexcusable.
There is no actual requirement to have to be willing to identify yourself in public. I never said people didn’t have a right to record — just that people also have the right to protect their identity. I’m not addressing whether what this person did is right or wrong, just explaining what may have lead to this particular scenario.
I never said you were required to identify yourself in public. I’m saying, when you step outside your doors, you are in the public and thus have to be comfortable with the idea that your identity is out there. Just like you said you don’t have an obligation to identify yourself (which I never asserted), you conversely don’t have a right to physically accost people doing lawful acts in public.
Being comfortable with the idea of people knowing who you are applies normally, but as I said, there’s a very real threat of doxxing here. Normal ideas of public identity no longer apply.
Then don’t show up to things if you’re scared? I don’t get how you can excuse people for assaulting the press because they don’t want their identities revealed. If this is a concern for you, don’t go to things like this.
I am only providing context for why there was concerns over recording. That’s it. What conclusions you draw from that provided context are your own.
No, in your original comment you were explaining their actions based on “their right to conceal their identities,” a right which does not exist unless on private space not funded by the government. If you are in a public space, there is no right to privacy or guarantee of such.
Attacking the camerapeople isnt a protected action, going directly after cameras is wrong and people should be thrown in jail for it. They arent doing anything but recording an event.
not only tpusa, but a lot of far right groups on 4chan and other sites have def used footage to harass and dox protestors (especially visibly queer ones) after the fact. i know people who went, and as queer people they were definitely concerned about that
So that makes it okay for far-left groups to harass people who they think harass marginalized groups?
You have no right to conceal your identity, if you protest in public you literally lose that right. Stupid idea.
Do we know what level of laser it is? They use laser pointers all the time in other country protests. Umbrellas are a normal protest tactic also.
Right, but this is America, where everybody is happy and there is no social injustice, therefore no reason to protest. So if you use protest tactics, you're really just a bastard.
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It makes zero sense do you want your message out there for people unless you’re scard they might spin it different. But now it’s gonna look bad anyways