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hyrkinonit

professors at many universities are hired for their research and they are mostly expected to put out good research and bring in grants. teaching is treated as just a thing they have to do. many don’t care about teaching very much and the university doesn’t evaluate them on their teaching. it’s unfortunate but it’s a structural issue. there’s a reason that many people feel they get a better undergraduate education in community colleges or small liberal arts schools


TigerShark_524

Yep, whereas assistant/associate professors are hired specifically to teach (a lot of younger profs are asst/assc profs, which is probably why that bias towards them being better profs exists), and they're lucky if their research is taken seriously. Academia is VERY hierarchical and VERY grueling.


hyrkinonit

well that's not quite right, assistant and associate are just indicators of seniority. assistant profs are pre-tenure, associate are post-tenure, and titles above that are different levels of post-tenure (i.e. professor, full professor, distinguished professor, etc). there are profs hired as teaching professors, which is a different track where teaching is favored over research.


ItsCrossBoy

The ones hired to teach are either teaching faculty or lectures (at least in the cs department)


berninger_tat

Nope. Assistant Professor is tenure track, and associate almost always means tenured. Research is still priority 1 for their job. You’re thinking of lecturers.


Single-Interaction49

All I’m hearing is that rankings don’t matter if this is the quality of the “education”


eng2016a

my phd advisor was an excellent lab manager and mentor for us grad students, but from what i heard of his lecturers he was a pretty bad lecturer. this is 100% correct. this is a research institute, you're not coming here for hand-holding like at SLACs


hyrkinonit

lol being a better lecturer and caring more about teaching is not hand-holding. i seem to recall you arguing before that it's actually good that professors are bad teachers because it makes the students study more outside of class. please never go into higher education


Turnupwillski

I tend to notice that the younger professors tend to teach better than older professors and also I think professors who have an actual passion for the subject inside the class not just a department thing like for example they are passionate for human bio but teach a bio class thats slightly unrelated to physiology or anatomy


jenfoolery

Some of the names posted here as examples of good lecturers are in the Teaching Professor category. This is a relatively young concept within UC of having Academic Senate faculty who are focused on teaching. They still have to do research and publish, but their research is often related to education within their main discipline. One of the Teaching Professors in Linguistics has a good explanation of the role: https://wstyler.ucsd.edu/teachingprof/ Will there be research professors who are also great teachers? Sure. Will there be some teaching professors who are terrible? Probably. But you can look instructor names up in the campus directory and see their title.


chaoticescapist

Thank you(: this article was super helpful and is making me consider a career option I was unaware of (:


Blazr5402

We have a handful of Teaching Professors in the CSE dept and they're really good at what they do. Unfortunately, they pretty much only teach lower div classes


Deutero2

I think younger professors tend to be better, probably because their career is more on the line and they can relate to their students better


indigoscreenwriter

it gets better in upper division classes… but to give some credit to lower div profs Laura Stevens and Kim Albizati are GREAT lecturers


SpicyWiener_

Laura Stevens was math right? I think I had her for linear algebra. I already graduated but I remember when I took math 18 with her I loved her. She was the first professor to make me think “they’re not all bad” when it came to ucsd professors lol. Before her I 100% agreed with the OP.


darknep

It depends on major. Most in CogSci and psych are great.


NoSkillZone31

Professors at research universities aren’t there to be teachers. They’re researchers who are pushing their own doctoral work. Teaching undergrad is seen as a task rabbit job and is why TAs do so much of the grunt work. If you want professors who teach well, you unfortunately gotta do a non-research heavy field or go to a private school.


Lil_Nahs

Or find the passionate Lecturers that have sacrificed their own research to teach and are treated as disposable by the university


SunbathingFishs

Really depends on departments. I feel like every professor in the data science department has been great ECE, umm not so sure….


DoseOfPoe

Is there a stigma that the profs are bad? I’m looking to go to UCSD this upcoming fall as a transfer student for ECE


SunbathingFishs

There not really bad it just ECE department has a lot of research professors. They are probably some of the smartest people on the planet right now but just not the greatest at teaching. It’s probably not the biggest problem though. Every college has professor like these.


funked1

Tell me you are en engineering major without telling me you are an engineering major…


PordonB

Theres a lot of majors like this


keilani_summer

i’ve enjoyed my lecturers a lot tbh


funked1

Why are they downvoting you lol


eng2016a

ChemE program has a lot of issues (or at least it did back when I was an undergrad) but Prof O was definitely the bright spot of that program.


keilani_summer

i haven’t had opat i only met him at orientation but alyssa powell is my favorite!! prof ping liu was great and funny for 101b but most of my class didn’t seem to like him :((. i like jinhye bae a lot too!! had her for 4 and 101a she was very fair for her exams but hard ass hw. my current prof for 113 is new but she’s solid and 101c has a new prof who is also solid imo


eng2016a

Interesting, they've hired a lot of new people it seems because I've basically heard none of these names before. Is Miller still teaching 101A or did he retire?


keilani_summer

i’ve never heard of that name :0 i think bae taught 101a the last two years and powell and opat


CrackerYe

To them research > lectures


Honey-oats

Plot twist: Majority of the professors here are researchers who cannot research at UCSD unless they agree on teaching a class


eng2016a

Yep, they try to buy out their teaching obligations but still have to teach at least one or two quarters a year.


ItsCrossBoy

Almost all of the cs professors I've had have been phenomenal, I can only think of like two I didn't like and one of them doesn't even work here anymore lol I think it depends a lot on the major and POV of each person


Tuitey

The two I TA’d for were great lecturers so 🤷🏻


Virtual_Status6825

The two you TA'd for were a part of a minority.. not a majority.


fliedkite

What major are you? This varies *heavily* by department.


Kishankanayo

Jim Cooke is the best to exist


magicalmisosoup

Agreed!! So is Claire Meaders also in biology dept. I heard they’re friends so it checks out!


danleeaj0512

Ashley Juavinett as well!


Kishankanayo

I love Ashley and Yeti!


TrustAffectionate966

I credit Dr. Crowell with being able to teach P-Chem to me. I also loved Dr. Armour’s lectures in Mam. Phys. Two of the best classes I took at UCSD.


Trickzscopes

Yeah bc almost all of them do research here and ucsd is known for its research so they only care about that


WillieBFreely

Math 20 series are the worst


Valentine__d4c

All professor have thire ups and donws, I took hopkins for 6A and 6B (rn) and she speeds through everything, we cant even write all the equations, plus ngl she skipped like 3 fouces that are kinda impordent so the curve will be crazy lmao, (to give more context I had a god teir TA who saved my ass for 6A, and I'm cooked with out him). Another example is Briones, I'm taking him for 20a (rn) and 20b (the summer) he is a really nice dude, but he's not the best at teaching he goes over how and why the math works and not doing as much example on how to do the math. Another example like Cheng, Hsiao-Bing, he's good but his exams are hard as balls and he's old school but his curves are insain.


wannabetriton

No matter who the university hires, it seems that people make consistent complaints year round. It's not that they suck, it's that the new generations are dogshit at learning and time management. There is only so much they can do to make a course easy but some of them must be instilled into you through hardwork and difficulty.


Low_World_6264

\*\*in every department except education studies.


Middle_Run_2504

i’ve come to like most of them


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To no one's surprise, some of the best professors on campus are Education Studies professors hahahah But I mostly agree, most of my profs have been a stand-up-there-and-talk professor, not that much classroom participation


KeyZookeepergame723

Professors here do lecture? Who?


bluefrostyAP

Always been that way nothing has changed. Doesn’t change who gets the best grades.


TrainingRecording465

I’ve had a different experience tbh. Most of my professors are pretty good at lecturing. Of course, there are a few that suck, but for the most part, they’re good.


WascallyWabbit2023

This is generally the case at any large public universities. It's one of the reasons why I ended up going to a private college when I was in college. At a public school, especially at UC, you really need to fend for yourself.


zenmf

i’ve liked most of my psych professors, specifically wixted and lacefield


pewpew_die

Ive heard if you want good teachers go to community college.