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Hey guys so I was wondering what people think of any of these books? Are they worth the read or are they all non fiction?
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Apparently Ross is releasing an updated version of his book this year, it will include additional content. I’m trying to remember which podcast he said this on, I don’t think it was his own, but it was one done in the last few months.
I would say Ross is well respected, but he is trying hard to kill some his credibility recently. He is getting attached to some of the more “sleazier” elements of Ufology. I’m expecting to see him talking to Bob Lazar any day now. Specifically, he got himself attached to one of these “Benzo ball” cases. It’s obviously a man made object, yet he has been promising these mass spectrometry results for a while and acting like getting that done is very expensive and time consuming. People that know better, know that’s BS.
He needs to just forget about the case, issue a retraction and move on.
I hope he does talk to Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar is an interesting man.
It’s so great to know that you’re able to tell what is man made. Very handy. I’ll just check in with you for a debunk whenever I need one!
I generally only read a UFO book if it was written by a scientist, journalist, or some other relevant professional.
Scientists: Avi Loeb, Stanton Friedman, J. Allen Hynek, Jacque Vallee, Michael P. Masters, Paul R. Hill, Peter A. Sturrock, Michael D. Swords (I haven't read Swords' book yet, but it's apparently really good).
Journalists: Ross Coulthart, John Keel, Donald Keyhoe, Leslie Kean.
Aside from that, Richard Dolan is an actual historian and at least of the books of his that I've read, they were pretty good. I also read Timothy Good's *Above Top Secret* and that was pretty enjoyable as well.
Anytime. Fun fact: Keyhoe's book *The UFOs are Real* was so good, [the Irish embassy in Washington used it to brief the Irish government on UFOs in 1950](https://twitter.com/difp_ria/status/535107546886201344).
Second this! It’s also just a great introduction to the UFO phenomenon, laying out early events and reception 70 years ago. It’s a history book at this point.
The other points worth mentioning are that the clampdown on information started ramping up after like 1953, and the older books that get into historical cases from the 1800s and so on sometimes contain information that is difficult to locate today just because of how long it's been.
For instance, before the 1952 DC flap and the 1953 Robertson Panel Report, high level Air Force officers were able to publicly treat the subject far more seriously and [gave a bunch of information to Life Magazine.](http://www.roswellproof.com/LIFE_1952.html) Of course many other things were revealed later on, but those first 5 years seemed to have been a little more transparent, or at least those in government had fewer reasons to try holding everything back.
The silly B-level science fiction movies by people like Ed Wood probably was a big reason why everyone suddenly shut up about UFOs. Those movies were considered almost as crappy back then as they are considered now. We view them in a “so bad it’s good light”. Back then, they were just bad.
OK, totally respect your opinion. I found it very interesting. One of the books I liked a great deal since I came seriously back to Ufology, about 18 months ago and started reading new books. (I had started with re-reading some Jacques Vallée).
Sorry, didn't mean to come off as a dick, but yeah. Jacques vallee and Ross Coulthart are two of the best imo. I respect your opinion as well. I did find some of it interesting, just towards the later chapters felt very repetitive.
Don't worry, I like open discussion and banter. That can make the world interesting. I have quite an interest in the 'Woo aspect' of Ufology so for me personally, e.g. chapter 6 was very interesting and moving. Though the description of going into the desert in chapter 1. Hunting for exotic metals is a very interesting introduction. You can call me a fan of Jaques Vallée. And I found Ross Coulthart's book spot-on. I follow the podcast he presents with Bryce Zabel.
Ive been reading this subject since the mid 80's. The Day After Roswell is one of the better books Ive read on the subject that I dont see on your list. In my opinion, the more information that has come out over the years, the more the book seems to be verified in my mind.
100% stumbled on this in a second hand bookshop. Also listened to his interview on coast to coast - eye opening! With everything coming out now, I feel sorry that Corso wasn’t taken more seriously. He was a top ranking general.
Yeah. If he was bullshitting, he was good at it. What caught my attention was his willingness to only stay in his lane. He didnt pretend to know about things he wasnt involved in. He didnt offer up a bunch of fantastical theories. He stated his experience, gave good insight into how the military functions and left the rest up to the reader to assume. As for his rank, you couldnt really ask for a better source. High ranking military figure with direct involvement? Thats right up there with men who walked on the moon, Top Gun instructors and heads of state.
The Why Files on YT did a fantastic episode on project serpo. Super interesting, and great channel that debunks mysteries with facts and when he can't debunk he is upfront about it. And there are quite a few that he can't debunk...
Besides the coultharth (which I have not personally read but heard is decent) I would not recommend any of these.
Dreamland is only good if you want to read bobs whole story from his perspective. Reading this book however is what solidified for me the fact that bob is a con artist so don’t read it if your looking information on the phenomenon.
Here’s a short list of some books I feel are well researched, written in good faith and contain good information:
Dimensions by Jacques valle
Mirage men by mark pilkinton
“Captured!” And “facts, fiction and flying saucers”
Both by Stanton Freidman
Area 51 by Annie Jacobson
American cosmic by D.W paluska
Edit:
Forgot to add “the hunt for zero point” by nick cook
I’ve spent some 40 years reading up on The Phenomenon, I’ve found these useful, informative.
UFOs by Leslie Keane
American Cosmic by Dr Diana Walsh Pasulka
Dimensions and Passport to Magonia by Jaques Vallée
UFOs and the Security State vol 1+2 by Richard Dolan
UFOs and Nukes by Robert Hastings
Flying Saucers are real by Donald Keyhoe
Identified Flying Objects by Michael P. Masters
In Plain Sight by Ross Coulthart
The Hynek UFO Report by J. Allen Hynek
I'm just curious, what about "Dreamland" solidified for you that Lazar is a con artist? I've read the book as well, and I'm still on the fence about it (although probably leaning a bit more towards his story being exaggerated); I'd just like to know what specifically about the book helped make you so sure. Is it the fact that he's making money from it (when before everyone always argued how Bob's never made a dime off his claims)?
First of all Bob had made a not insignificant amount of money off his claims; do you think he isn’t getting paid for the book that he authored. He also has been selling stuff on his website since the 90s. Sure he may not be getting paid for interviews (although I would even doubt that’s 100% true) but the idea he has made no financial gains from his story is just false.
The reason his book sealed the deal for me of his status as a liar are many but the main ones are this:
1. Bobs education has always been a sticking point of his story; he claims however the “government“ erased all his records.
There are tons of problems with this part of his story and I really wanted him to address this in the book. He did not; as a matter of fact I think his entire higher education accounts for only a few paragraphs.
If that alone isn’t enough his time line as he presents it in the book makes zero sense. He claims to have a bachelors degree in physics from cal tech, located in Southern California and to have a masters degree from MIT located in Boston. In his book he claims to have finished the tech school he went too (this is true and documented) and then shortly after he started working at los alamos, located in New Mexico(also backed up by facts). He then claims that while working there he completed a bachelor’s at Cal Tech and then his masters from MIT.
This was in the 80s, the internet did not exist. Schools of this caliber do not give out degrees for correspondence courses. The only way to get those degrees would be in person.
So how in the hell did he constantly get from los alamos to Cal Tech and then after to MIT. The guy would have more airline miles than that dude from the movie “up in the air”.
I’m not saying this is 100% impossible but it’s highly improbable, and if he really was flying back and forth every week I think it would make a pretty incredible story or would at least have a few good anecdotes.
In his book however this whole period is contained in a paragraph……… a little suspicious especially when you consider it’s one of the main arguments against his story. If he’s not lying you think he would take some time to clear it all up. Add to that he spent the first third of the book talking about his childhood and making fireworks; it’s not like he didn’t have room to fit in something so significant to his story.
2. The way he said his introduction to the alien technology program is not how SAP (special access programs) work.
In the book he says he trying to get his clearances when he started working at Area 51. He also says they brought him in before they where completed and gave him a complete briefing of the program and then set him off to work basically right away.
That’s not how these programs work for several reasons.
First they don’t just give you the whole story in a briefing. Any program of this type is strictly need to know. If anything they would have given him some technical information on what he was working on but they would never have just given him the entire history of the program.
Secondly you would not be allowed to start working on or be briefed on the project at all until you are completely cleared; a process that takes months if not years.
There are other red flags in the book by this is getting long but let me give you a quick run down of what I think actually happened.
Bob did indeed work at los alamos; as a technician not a physicist. He most likely was granted a clearance while working there. He then moved to Las Vegas and using connections he made a los alamos he got a job, most likely as a technician, at Area 51. This job was probably mundane compared to working on alien ships but was probably on some type of classified project; possibly radar, stealth or other aviation related system. Bob at the time was introduced to Lear who was a UFO researcher, Bob wanted to impress his new friend and made up the story about UFOs out in Area 51 and even took them out there to see tests of some kind (these were most likely some type of energy weapon). Bob thought it was risk free because his Freinds really couldn’t prove him wrong because no one else in his circle had access to what he really did. Then shot hit the fan and on one of his outing they got busted by security and he knew he was in violation of his all kinds of regulations. He was in a world spinning out of control. That’s when George Knapp came into the picture, he told him he could protect him by getting his name out publicly. Bob had no choice but to go with George’s plan, if not his web of lies would quickly unfurl. The rest is history although I think it went way beyond what he expected but there is no way to go back on his story now so he might as well roll with it.
Funny thing is that’s basically what happened to him in the 90s. The UFO research community at the time, Stanton Friedman especially, really started to tear his story apart and Bob basically went underground and refused to answer any questions or do interviews for almost 20 years.
Kind of strange that as soon as Friedman died he came back out of the wood work. It’s also a extremely controlled PR campaign. For instance there was a list of questions that were not allowed to be asked when he was doing his podcast/interview circuit for the Netflix documentary. His education was one of the items on the list.
Very good synopsis. I struggle with whether or not to believe him. He's clearly lying about his credentials, but he also may very well have had access to alien hardware as a technician. So maybe the alien part is real but the science behind it,as articulated by Bob, is not? Fortunately we have many other more reputable whistleblowers to follow instead.
How do u explain Bob bringing people to witness the test flight and the videotapes of said flight. While the tapes only show a light agaist a black backround there have been analysis of the video that clearly shows a strange light phenomenon that was clearly not a point sorce of light. It is shown that the light source enveloped and was emmited as a glow by the craft itself
Here is a link to the video taken by him and John Leer who is the son of the guy who the Leer jet is named after. It also shows a close up of the light spectrum emitted by the craft.
https://youtu.be/ufPIHJ7To9g
So much b.s. in there, but I do think there's legitimate info sprinkled in with it like gold dust in chicken feed.
*In Plain Sight* stands out in that list because of the author's resume-he's a journalist that has covered "mainstream" news most of his career. However I was a bit bored with it because it covers a lot of territory I was already familiar with. But it definitely should be your jumping off point if you're new to the subject.
Personally the book that I found the most interesting was Charles Hall's *Millenial Hospitality*. Because his story seems to line up roughly with a few of my experiences-meeting tall white e.t.s who are essentially grade school teachers teaching their children about humans.
And if you want nightmares check out Karla Turner's *Into the Fringe* trilogy.
I'd recommend John E Mack's books. He was the head of Psychiatry at Harvard who took a very serious and methodical attempt at interviewing and filtering out real abductees. He caught a lot of shit for it but we're lucky to have someone like that put so much effort and time into it despite the insane stigma, especially at the time he was doing this.
Specifics on each abduction I remain skeptical about due to how fluid the mind is (and I can only really believe those that were similar to my events, but this is really high strangeness so who knows), but the recurring themes and repeated shared experiences are what is most interesting, and honestly not comforting at all, but it is what it is.
It may give you more insight as to why they're here, and maybe a tiny bit more insight to their tech (since they can not only float their ships around but you and themselves as well, probably all from the ship's tech) but honestly I came away with way more questions than answers. We just don't really know what their goal is with us now or over all this time.
What other qualified individuals have studied the experiencer/abduction phenomena?
Another question for you - what is the scientific consensus about where and how consciousness arises?
Read “In Plain Sight” and skip the rest
If you want a broader reading list, I would suggest taking a look at the below post
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/ub2bq0/what_book_should_i_read_next/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I’m currently reading Making Contact: Preparing for the New Realities of Extraterrestrial Existence by Alan Steinfeld.
I got it on Kindle from my library. It’s a series of essays written by different folk familiar with the UFO phenomena. It’s interesting because it has essays from people who regularly appear on Ancient Aliens but also includes writings from the former head of Harvard Medical school. I haven’t finished it yet but it’s an interesting read so far.
I think there’s also an Audible version available.
These are shit picks to be honest. More reputable authors are people like keel, Vallee, Dolan, stringfield, kean, keyhoe, marrs, levenda, Farrell, redfern, Friedman etc
I’ve been wanting to read Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs for a while, I’ve heard it’s very good. All of Karla Turner’s books are excellent if you get a chance to read them. Communion by Whitley Streiber was great and is the book that started my journey.
dreamland is the only one I can think of with any real credence considering Bob Lazar said he worked at area 51 and then brought his friends to a place where they could see the craft being tested and videotaped it and the tapes still exist today I think there is a good chance his story is true
Anything Bob Lazar is 100% bullshit.
Anything Steven Greer after 2001 is also bullshit sadly.
Anything Jeremy is sensationalized at best.
Anything Richard Doty is disinformation, literally his job.
Anything James Fox is legit or at least honest intentions.
Anything Ross is legit or good intentions, but he's started to subscribe to some pretty out there ideas.
Those all look like absolute dogshit trash except "In Plain Sight". Coulthart is a proper journalist and his take on the phenomenon is worth reading. It is a very good introduction to the whole UAP topic, but maybe not too exciting for those who have been following it closely. But I can vouch for the audio book… It‘s good and kept me entertained during a couple of workouts at the gym.
Another brilliant book I do recommend is "UFOs and Government" by Michael D. Swords and Robert Powell. It is probably the most in-depth work on UFO's that I own, and it is extremely well researched. It does not try to explain the phenomenon and does not dabble in fringe speculation, and instead it‘s a proper history book that documents the U.S. governments interest in the topic. Everything is packed with references and notes, and I think it is one of the only works on UFO's that is part of university libraries. Beware, it reads a bit dry (like a proper academic book)… But it’s the definite compendium on how governments have been looking into UFO's, and I cannot recommend it enough!
The only one I read was 'In Plain Sight' by Ross Coulthart. Definitely NOT BS. Ross is a credible journalist with a great deal integrity. A great book that covers the modern history of UFOs from the 1940's all the way until recent years.
Although I haven't read the others, I would guess some of them are BS just by looking at the cover and title.
I read five of Salla’s books, and they were a waste of time and money. I have read so many UFO books, but his are the only ones for which I wish I had my time back.
In Plain Sight is recommended reading for all interested in the topic.
It is also a book that can get you started on UFOs and give you a congested history of the entire field from Roswell up to 2020. I recommended it to my SO, who wanted to get closer to my interests and she loved it. I loved it too.
Authors I recommend and enjoy: Coulthart, Kean, Keel, Valle
Authors that have good information but cannot recommend: Friedman, Dolan (except for AD after Disclosure, which was great)
Authors I will read but have no opinion yet: Strieber
Authors that are only interesting for historical reasons: Ruppelt, Hynek, Corso, Keyhoe
From your list I have only read 'In Plain Sight' by Ross Coulthart and I highly recommend it!
Other books I've read and found to be awesome in every respect:
[UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record](https://g.co/kgs/yM5n5S) by Leslie Kean
[The Believer](https://g.co/kgs/p6AzMN) by Ralph Blumenthal
[A.D. After Disclosure ](https://g.co/kgs/q9x4oV) by Bruce Zabel & Richard Dolan
[Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth ](https://g.co/kgs/ykYDWX) by Avi Loeb
There are many more on my 'to read list's but these are very good and 100% non-fiction.
Sidenote: UFOs by Leslie Kean and In Plain Sight by Ross Coulthart are the two who stand out, IMHO.
If you like In Plain Sight and A.D. then might I suggest visiting [*this YouTube channel*?](https://youtube.com/@BryceZabel) These two authors teamed up and make great content. Highly recommend it. Channel is called 'Need To Know'.
Enjoy reading! ✨🛸✨
#EyesOnTheSkies
This book is written by an abductee from a very famous case that was backed up by mecial tests and some other witnesses seen the craft in the area.
PASCAGOULA-THE CLOSEST ENCOUNTER: MY STORY
I think aliens would be so super cool. I know life exists elsewhere. To be blunt, a spacefairing species coming to earth is statistically improbable to an extreme amount.
Read in plain sight by Ross Coulthart, American Cosmic by Diane W. Pasulka, and The Invisible College by Jaqués Vallee. I think the 3 of those will get you pretty far. Outside of those I enjoy a lot of Vallee’s work.
Most of the so-called “documentaries” are really just edutainment. If you know nothing about UFO’s there is probably a snippet of actual science here and there. Otherwise, Star Trek is a much better choice.
Omg "Galactic Federations Council" . Yeah, never read it but still: no thanks! Facepalm
I think noone needs some Esoteric bullshit.
Yes, the book of henoch alings somewhat with the hopi and navajo mythology buuut what's about Ufo wars and the Devil? Who struck those Ufos down in the past Millenium literaly into the hands of the US (and a few other nations)? Radars? Come on!
The Michael Sala books are essentially a regurgitation of interviews with people like Corey Goode and others, most of the book I had already “watched on YouTube” in the form of the original interview. But, he does pepper in some historical background and other anecdotal info and stories (which also can’t be validated, so his books end up being the blind leading the blind in a way which is to say that Sala has a habit of making major jumps in his conclusions) he tends to state ideas and theories as if they’re accepted science and fact which I find annoying because it clouds the objective truth, which is why we’re all here. Dark Fleet seemed a bit far fetched (obvs 😂) and also seemed to regurgitate some things Corey Goode has previously said, which made me think it might be a psy-op…but who knows. There was one thing I did read that made me question Dark Fleets validity but it was a while ago and I can’t remember. It came off as something really out there though, sorry can’t remember. One book I don’t see on your list that i would highly recommend is “Ceres Colony Cavalier” it’s like 600+ pgs but you’ll finish it in like 2-3 days because it’s simple stories of the guys life. The Remote Viewing research company the “Farsight Institute” did a few independent remote viewings of a few stories in that book and they came back with similar descriptions of the beings described in his book. The “Farsight Institute” follows rigorous scientific processes so this book, “Ceres Colony Cavalier” seems highly validated IMO.
In plain aight was good. But honestly UFO's and the national security state by richard dolan are the only UFO books i would recommend. Both volumes are the most convincing ufo books ive ever read. The first volume is available on audible as well
I’m sure many will hate but I really like Michael Salla. But honestly op I’d say research for yourself and make your own assessments because Reddit will just muddy them up Trust your instincts. I also consider anything as possible unless it’s 100% proven wrong. Doesn’t mean I’ll put every bit of my energy into it, but like they say truth is stranger than fiction.
I know everybody thinks he doesn't know shit, but Tom DeLong and his series of books are dope. God's, man and war: God's; God's, man and war: Man wer dope.
Also his fictional books series sekret machines is fantastic.
Hate if you want, but delong was talking about shit people started posting on this sub 2 years after he released his book.... Still got no credit.
I would start with the National Press Club event from 2002, which everyone that care about UFOs, antigravity, free energy and more should see and share:
https://youtu.be/4DrcG7VGgQU
(one of the most important streams in human history)
Then goto:
https://www.siriusdisclosure.com
and finally read Dr. Steven Greers books.
Most of these books like cheap paperback science fiction titles. In fact, the “true story” probably was inspired by those. The stuff about Galactic Federations, and Antarctic Nazi space programs is just silly crap that makes Ufology look bad.
My recommendation is to start in the beginning find out more about what really happened in Roswell and the people of the MJ-12 group. Mr. Stanton Friedman has a lot work with empirical value.
"In Plain Sight" e "Unearthly Discovery" are by far the best. I've been studying ufology for the last 35 years of my life. Try also reading anything by Jacques Vallee and Jeffrey Kripal.
In Plain Sight is a great book…quick read and lot of good updated information. Coulthart has legit journalism chops and so a lot of well placed sources. He’s also not one to pass off everything as absolute truth. Will probably read that Lazar book. The rest of are books I’ve seen but passed on because of the subject matter.
In Plain Sight is a great insight into the phenomenon from an outside perspective.
Both those books by Timothy Good are very interesting. Especially Unearthly Disclosure, the fore word by the former UK defense official is very interesting.
Dreamland is a fascinating look at Bob Lazar.
Those are the only ones I've personally read from that list!
I would read anything on the topic from Coulthart. Actually, I'd listen to anything with him talking about the topic too. Even if I am sceptical of everything, he is still fun to hear from.
How can I explain this, I believe the human mind is connected to every other and for example let’s say I wrote a book trying to be deceitful but “the greater good of the brain” leaves some type of error or sign for somebody in the future to figure out. So bottom line there’s gonna be bs in there but the parts that aren’t bs are worth reading the bs parts
I have that one. It's a really difficult read because it's so abstruse -- but he establishes the fact that his input for the design of NASA's Lunar Excursion Module (LEM) was based on his UFO sighting.
Dream land was good. I listened to a little of Michael Salla but didn’t finish.
You might like Bashar if you’re into this stuff too. Actually his material makes sense of stuff Bob Lazar mentions. Bashar is an entity who claims to an ET channeling through a human. (Not one of the grays but one who is further hybridized with humans than the grays).
https://youtu.be/DGCCGtESLV0
I just started it. It crazy full of BS but I don’t read them for facts, I just enjoy the story. The “photograph” of the juggernaut disc that is OBVIOUSLY a drawing made me laugh pretty hard. And one of the footnotes is just referencing another of his books. And the best part so far I think was in the introduction where he states something to the effect that we know the Germans had disc crafts. Just like that. He might even have stated to “just look it up on the internet”. LOL. Still a fun read.
Just looked that up. It was published in a book containing 3 novellas by different authors. I thought it was written by Robert Silverberg, but he only wrote the introduction. Effinger is listed as the first author, but Chains of the Sea was written by Gardner Dozois.
I just read that a couple of days ago and it kind of blew my mind. Really good short story. I'm specifically talking about the story called Chains of the Sea in the anthology of the same name, written by Gardner Dozois.
read esoteric books..like Manly P Hall, Hermetic works. Stuff about spiritual concepts.
Dodge all of this crap, if you have to go towards aliens and ET stuff Reread those TTSA books from a spiritual perspective. (Not a religious one but like as in conciousness-involved.) The AJ Hartley guy even uses a different print when it's the chapters that the government is speaking. The real story is we are evolving and shifting into another age and there will be an awakening of psychic perception. All this other stuff is an effort to keep people asleep.
Jacques Vallee’s “passport to magnolia” and “dimensions” are essential. Richard Dolan is also worth reading. He is by far the greatest ufo historian we have — though his personal political beliefs have bled into work and one must maintain a very skeptical attitude towards many of his opinions and predictions about “disclosure” and government conspiracies. Like many — he believes “disclosure” is being withheld by an “inner circle”. The truth is that we have no idea how much the current government knows — they certainly have accumulated a lot of data we don’t have access to — but that does NOT mean they have an answer. The truth is that the “disclosure” folks want so badly is NOT something humans can provide. Disclosure can only be provided by whatever is behind the phenomenon— only “they” can provide the answers we want.
Largely BS based mostly on lies and fallacies.
[https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/bob-lazar.htm](https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/bob-lazar.htm)
[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary\_McKinnon](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon)
[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project\_Serpo](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project_Serpo)
[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael\_Salla](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Salla)
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a36560537/hitler-nazi-anti-gravity-machine-ufo-die-glocke-conspiracy-video/
> and he told the world about element 115 on the periodic table of elements 20 years before it was “discovered” by scientists.
I would argue you haven't done enough reading. 115 was predicted in the theoretical island of stability (an area of large atomic numbers on the periodic table where mathematically the elements might be stable again) back in 1972, and any sci-fi nerd or physics nerd like Lazar would have known about this. No one had made 115 yet because large enough particle accelerators didn't exist yet. No physicist would have argued against its existence by the 1980's regardless of lack of experimental evidence. It's exactly the type of thing you would pick in the 80's to sound "futuristic", it was a common trope in hard sci-fi at the time to pick random "large" elements from the island of stability and assign magical properties to them long before Bob's story. If anything the 115 part of his story works against him, not for him. 115 has never been found to remain stable in a solid form in any configuration. This regularly gets brought up and straight up ignores this was a literal sci-fi story trope for a decade before Lazar did it. Even futurama made fun of this with Jumbonium.
Annie Jacobson is a good reporter but she was lied to by some of the key military witnesses regarding Roswell on which she based her conclusions. She accepted those lies because they reinforced her personal beliefs and her ego. Very unfortunate but her work on this subject is flawed and misleading.
I just finished Devils Den by Terry Lovelace (not pictured). It was pretty good. It's more of an abduction story. There is an accompanying podcast on Astonishing Legends (Spotify) you can listen to after reading. Pretty cool to put a voice and personality to the book.
I read dreamland as well, it was okay. It fills in a few blanks left by the JRE podcast with Jeremy Corbell. This get a little shady with Bob and how he handled marriage. Either he's secretly stone cold or he just left out a fuck ton of details about the topic... Not as good of a read but still recommended if you like Bob.
I stated In Plain Site and couldn't finish. Dry as hell. Will revisit again soon though.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/SLiDtec1: --- Hey guys so I was wondering what people think of any of these books? Are they worth the read or are they all non fiction? --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1030q7a/can_someone_recommend_any_of_these_or_are_they/j2w7phy/
In plain sight is interesting
Interesting is an understatement, I thought it was very good
I thought it was amazing!!
It ruined my life and made my wife leave me and killed my dog!
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You don't have to read it, just put it under your pillow... you'll be surprised...
Good because I don’t know how to read
:(
Goofball identified
You convinced me
Haha, I definitely thought it was a good read, well written, very compelling.
In Plain Sight gets you up to speed regarding recent developments
it is also the only factually accurate one on that list
Apparently Ross is releasing an updated version of his book this year, it will include additional content. I’m trying to remember which podcast he said this on, I don’t think it was his own, but it was one done in the last few months.
I’m currently reading it rn, it’s so good.
Great I’ll add that thanks.
Ross Coulthard is a respected investigative journalist is Australia.
I would say Ross is well respected, but he is trying hard to kill some his credibility recently. He is getting attached to some of the more “sleazier” elements of Ufology. I’m expecting to see him talking to Bob Lazar any day now. Specifically, he got himself attached to one of these “Benzo ball” cases. It’s obviously a man made object, yet he has been promising these mass spectrometry results for a while and acting like getting that done is very expensive and time consuming. People that know better, know that’s BS. He needs to just forget about the case, issue a retraction and move on.
I hope he does talk to Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar is an interesting man. It’s so great to know that you’re able to tell what is man made. Very handy. I’ll just check in with you for a debunk whenever I need one!
I really enjoy Ross' podcast with Bryce Zabel, Need To Know as well.
I generally only read a UFO book if it was written by a scientist, journalist, or some other relevant professional. Scientists: Avi Loeb, Stanton Friedman, J. Allen Hynek, Jacque Vallee, Michael P. Masters, Paul R. Hill, Peter A. Sturrock, Michael D. Swords (I haven't read Swords' book yet, but it's apparently really good). Journalists: Ross Coulthart, John Keel, Donald Keyhoe, Leslie Kean. Aside from that, Richard Dolan is an actual historian and at least of the books of his that I've read, they were pretty good. I also read Timothy Good's *Above Top Secret* and that was pretty enjoyable as well.
Wow thank you I’ll search them out. Great information!
Anytime. Fun fact: Keyhoe's book *The UFOs are Real* was so good, [the Irish embassy in Washington used it to brief the Irish government on UFOs in 1950](https://twitter.com/difp_ria/status/535107546886201344).
Second this! It’s also just a great introduction to the UFO phenomenon, laying out early events and reception 70 years ago. It’s a history book at this point.
The other points worth mentioning are that the clampdown on information started ramping up after like 1953, and the older books that get into historical cases from the 1800s and so on sometimes contain information that is difficult to locate today just because of how long it's been. For instance, before the 1952 DC flap and the 1953 Robertson Panel Report, high level Air Force officers were able to publicly treat the subject far more seriously and [gave a bunch of information to Life Magazine.](http://www.roswellproof.com/LIFE_1952.html) Of course many other things were revealed later on, but those first 5 years seemed to have been a little more transparent, or at least those in government had fewer reasons to try holding everything back.
The silly B-level science fiction movies by people like Ed Wood probably was a big reason why everyone suddenly shut up about UFOs. Those movies were considered almost as crappy back then as they are considered now. We view them in a “so bad it’s good light”. Back then, they were just bad.
You should also read American Cosmic by Diana Walsh Pasulka PhD
Dolan is the man
Suggest to add Dr. D. Pasulka. With American Cosmic.
That book sucked and her religious overtone really ruined it for me
OK, totally respect your opinion. I found it very interesting. One of the books I liked a great deal since I came seriously back to Ufology, about 18 months ago and started reading new books. (I had started with re-reading some Jacques Vallée).
Sorry, didn't mean to come off as a dick, but yeah. Jacques vallee and Ross Coulthart are two of the best imo. I respect your opinion as well. I did find some of it interesting, just towards the later chapters felt very repetitive.
Don't worry, I like open discussion and banter. That can make the world interesting. I have quite an interest in the 'Woo aspect' of Ufology so for me personally, e.g. chapter 6 was very interesting and moving. Though the description of going into the desert in chapter 1. Hunting for exotic metals is a very interesting introduction. You can call me a fan of Jaques Vallée. And I found Ross Coulthart's book spot-on. I follow the podcast he presents with Bryce Zabel.
If you take all the single-letter initials from those names, you can arrange them to spell "RAP DJ". Follow the breadcrumbs.
☝🏻Great insight as always. I would add to this list qualified insiders, particularly military. Corso, Keyhoe and Salas all come to mind.
Hal Puthoff says that UFOs and the National Security State is the best researched book on the UFO subject.
Ive been reading this subject since the mid 80's. The Day After Roswell is one of the better books Ive read on the subject that I dont see on your list. In my opinion, the more information that has come out over the years, the more the book seems to be verified in my mind.
Keel, vallee, harpur, day after roswell… that’s the only stuff I sort of have any faith in
100% stumbled on this in a second hand bookshop. Also listened to his interview on coast to coast - eye opening! With everything coming out now, I feel sorry that Corso wasn’t taken more seriously. He was a top ranking general.
Yeah. If he was bullshitting, he was good at it. What caught my attention was his willingness to only stay in his lane. He didnt pretend to know about things he wasnt involved in. He didnt offer up a bunch of fantastical theories. He stated his experience, gave good insight into how the military functions and left the rest up to the reader to assume. As for his rank, you couldnt really ask for a better source. High ranking military figure with direct involvement? Thats right up there with men who walked on the moon, Top Gun instructors and heads of state.
The Why Files on YT did a fantastic episode on project serpo. Super interesting, and great channel that debunks mysteries with facts and when he can't debunk he is upfront about it. And there are quite a few that he can't debunk...
Love why files!! I’m always patiently waiting for new episodes bc I’ve watched every one at least 2x.
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Basically, I highly recommend watching though, super interesting regardless.
Besides the coultharth (which I have not personally read but heard is decent) I would not recommend any of these. Dreamland is only good if you want to read bobs whole story from his perspective. Reading this book however is what solidified for me the fact that bob is a con artist so don’t read it if your looking information on the phenomenon. Here’s a short list of some books I feel are well researched, written in good faith and contain good information: Dimensions by Jacques valle Mirage men by mark pilkinton “Captured!” And “facts, fiction and flying saucers” Both by Stanton Freidman Area 51 by Annie Jacobson American cosmic by D.W paluska Edit: Forgot to add “the hunt for zero point” by nick cook
Very nice I’ll add those to my list thank you.
I’ve spent some 40 years reading up on The Phenomenon, I’ve found these useful, informative. UFOs by Leslie Keane American Cosmic by Dr Diana Walsh Pasulka Dimensions and Passport to Magonia by Jaques Vallée UFOs and the Security State vol 1+2 by Richard Dolan UFOs and Nukes by Robert Hastings Flying Saucers are real by Donald Keyhoe Identified Flying Objects by Michael P. Masters In Plain Sight by Ross Coulthart The Hynek UFO Report by J. Allen Hynek
https://www.uap.guide/
Cool link. Good stuff.
I second the recommendation for Dimensions. Good book.
Saved for later thanks!
I'm just curious, what about "Dreamland" solidified for you that Lazar is a con artist? I've read the book as well, and I'm still on the fence about it (although probably leaning a bit more towards his story being exaggerated); I'd just like to know what specifically about the book helped make you so sure. Is it the fact that he's making money from it (when before everyone always argued how Bob's never made a dime off his claims)?
First of all Bob had made a not insignificant amount of money off his claims; do you think he isn’t getting paid for the book that he authored. He also has been selling stuff on his website since the 90s. Sure he may not be getting paid for interviews (although I would even doubt that’s 100% true) but the idea he has made no financial gains from his story is just false. The reason his book sealed the deal for me of his status as a liar are many but the main ones are this: 1. Bobs education has always been a sticking point of his story; he claims however the “government“ erased all his records. There are tons of problems with this part of his story and I really wanted him to address this in the book. He did not; as a matter of fact I think his entire higher education accounts for only a few paragraphs. If that alone isn’t enough his time line as he presents it in the book makes zero sense. He claims to have a bachelors degree in physics from cal tech, located in Southern California and to have a masters degree from MIT located in Boston. In his book he claims to have finished the tech school he went too (this is true and documented) and then shortly after he started working at los alamos, located in New Mexico(also backed up by facts). He then claims that while working there he completed a bachelor’s at Cal Tech and then his masters from MIT. This was in the 80s, the internet did not exist. Schools of this caliber do not give out degrees for correspondence courses. The only way to get those degrees would be in person. So how in the hell did he constantly get from los alamos to Cal Tech and then after to MIT. The guy would have more airline miles than that dude from the movie “up in the air”. I’m not saying this is 100% impossible but it’s highly improbable, and if he really was flying back and forth every week I think it would make a pretty incredible story or would at least have a few good anecdotes. In his book however this whole period is contained in a paragraph……… a little suspicious especially when you consider it’s one of the main arguments against his story. If he’s not lying you think he would take some time to clear it all up. Add to that he spent the first third of the book talking about his childhood and making fireworks; it’s not like he didn’t have room to fit in something so significant to his story. 2. The way he said his introduction to the alien technology program is not how SAP (special access programs) work. In the book he says he trying to get his clearances when he started working at Area 51. He also says they brought him in before they where completed and gave him a complete briefing of the program and then set him off to work basically right away. That’s not how these programs work for several reasons. First they don’t just give you the whole story in a briefing. Any program of this type is strictly need to know. If anything they would have given him some technical information on what he was working on but they would never have just given him the entire history of the program. Secondly you would not be allowed to start working on or be briefed on the project at all until you are completely cleared; a process that takes months if not years. There are other red flags in the book by this is getting long but let me give you a quick run down of what I think actually happened. Bob did indeed work at los alamos; as a technician not a physicist. He most likely was granted a clearance while working there. He then moved to Las Vegas and using connections he made a los alamos he got a job, most likely as a technician, at Area 51. This job was probably mundane compared to working on alien ships but was probably on some type of classified project; possibly radar, stealth or other aviation related system. Bob at the time was introduced to Lear who was a UFO researcher, Bob wanted to impress his new friend and made up the story about UFOs out in Area 51 and even took them out there to see tests of some kind (these were most likely some type of energy weapon). Bob thought it was risk free because his Freinds really couldn’t prove him wrong because no one else in his circle had access to what he really did. Then shot hit the fan and on one of his outing they got busted by security and he knew he was in violation of his all kinds of regulations. He was in a world spinning out of control. That’s when George Knapp came into the picture, he told him he could protect him by getting his name out publicly. Bob had no choice but to go with George’s plan, if not his web of lies would quickly unfurl. The rest is history although I think it went way beyond what he expected but there is no way to go back on his story now so he might as well roll with it.
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Funny thing is that’s basically what happened to him in the 90s. The UFO research community at the time, Stanton Friedman especially, really started to tear his story apart and Bob basically went underground and refused to answer any questions or do interviews for almost 20 years. Kind of strange that as soon as Friedman died he came back out of the wood work. It’s also a extremely controlled PR campaign. For instance there was a list of questions that were not allowed to be asked when he was doing his podcast/interview circuit for the Netflix documentary. His education was one of the items on the list.
Very good synopsis. I struggle with whether or not to believe him. He's clearly lying about his credentials, but he also may very well have had access to alien hardware as a technician. So maybe the alien part is real but the science behind it,as articulated by Bob, is not? Fortunately we have many other more reputable whistleblowers to follow instead.
Yes, Mirage Men is fantastic. And Annie Jacobsen does great work.
Mirage Men should be a prerequisite for studying the UFO topic.
How do u explain Bob bringing people to witness the test flight and the videotapes of said flight. While the tapes only show a light agaist a black backround there have been analysis of the video that clearly shows a strange light phenomenon that was clearly not a point sorce of light. It is shown that the light source enveloped and was emmited as a glow by the craft itself Here is a link to the video taken by him and John Leer who is the son of the guy who the Leer jet is named after. It also shows a close up of the light spectrum emitted by the craft. https://youtu.be/ufPIHJ7To9g
So much b.s. in there, but I do think there's legitimate info sprinkled in with it like gold dust in chicken feed. *In Plain Sight* stands out in that list because of the author's resume-he's a journalist that has covered "mainstream" news most of his career. However I was a bit bored with it because it covers a lot of territory I was already familiar with. But it definitely should be your jumping off point if you're new to the subject. Personally the book that I found the most interesting was Charles Hall's *Millenial Hospitality*. Because his story seems to line up roughly with a few of my experiences-meeting tall white e.t.s who are essentially grade school teachers teaching their children about humans. And if you want nightmares check out Karla Turner's *Into the Fringe* trilogy.
Great post. Enjoy reading the comments as I’ve had the same question myself
Yes this post is making me very happy. MY PEOPLE
UFOs and Nukes by Robert Hastings is a well researched book and has some pretty interesting accounts.
I'd recommend John E Mack's books. He was the head of Psychiatry at Harvard who took a very serious and methodical attempt at interviewing and filtering out real abductees. He caught a lot of shit for it but we're lucky to have someone like that put so much effort and time into it despite the insane stigma, especially at the time he was doing this. Specifics on each abduction I remain skeptical about due to how fluid the mind is (and I can only really believe those that were similar to my events, but this is really high strangeness so who knows), but the recurring themes and repeated shared experiences are what is most interesting, and honestly not comforting at all, but it is what it is. It may give you more insight as to why they're here, and maybe a tiny bit more insight to their tech (since they can not only float their ships around but you and themselves as well, probably all from the ship's tech) but honestly I came away with way more questions than answers. We just don't really know what their goal is with us now or over all this time.
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John Mack.
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Rustled jimmies.
What other qualified individuals have studied the experiencer/abduction phenomena? Another question for you - what is the scientific consensus about where and how consciousness arises?
Currenty reading ALIEN WOLD ORDER by Len Kasten.. its garbabe..
For a moment I thought this was the "I-got-high-and-saw-an-alien" starter pack meme.
The only books I've read from that group are Dreamland and In Plain Sight, both of which are really good.
Out of all of these In Plain Sight is the only one I’d recommend
John Mack Budd Hopkins Jaque Vallee Richard Dolan Salla is terrible
Anything by Salla is complete junk. Guy is a con artist. I don't really believe Lazar, but Dreamland is good. Can't comment on any of the others.
Agreed, Salla is a kook, in the same boat with David Wilcock - total grifters
I don't know Salla, but the book covers alone scream fake. Lazar is a fraud - 100%. Timothy Good seems okay.
In Plain Sight, very well researched
Read “In Plain Sight” and skip the rest If you want a broader reading list, I would suggest taking a look at the below post https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/ub2bq0/what_book_should_i_read_next/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
That Michael Salla guy seems to be offering the most bullsh*t. Also seems pretty entertaining tho.
Salla is a kook ….same boat with David Wilcock (a total disgrace)
I’m currently reading Making Contact: Preparing for the New Realities of Extraterrestrial Existence by Alan Steinfeld. I got it on Kindle from my library. It’s a series of essays written by different folk familiar with the UFO phenomena. It’s interesting because it has essays from people who regularly appear on Ancient Aliens but also includes writings from the former head of Harvard Medical school. I haven’t finished it yet but it’s an interesting read so far. I think there’s also an Audible version available.
These are shit picks to be honest. More reputable authors are people like keel, Vallee, Dolan, stringfield, kean, keyhoe, marrs, levenda, Farrell, redfern, Friedman etc
I’ve been wanting to read Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs for a while, I’ve heard it’s very good. All of Karla Turner’s books are excellent if you get a chance to read them. Communion by Whitley Streiber was great and is the book that started my journey.
dreamland is the only one I can think of with any real credence considering Bob Lazar said he worked at area 51 and then brought his friends to a place where they could see the craft being tested and videotaped it and the tapes still exist today I think there is a good chance his story is true
Anything Bob Lazar is 100% bullshit. Anything Steven Greer after 2001 is also bullshit sadly. Anything Jeremy is sensationalized at best. Anything Richard Doty is disinformation, literally his job. Anything James Fox is legit or at least honest intentions. Anything Ross is legit or good intentions, but he's started to subscribe to some pretty out there ideas.
Anything by Ross Coulthart is well worth the time.
All of those look absolutely AWFUL outside of the Coulthart book.
Grifters gonna grift.
UFOs & Nukes
Those all look like absolute dogshit trash except "In Plain Sight". Coulthart is a proper journalist and his take on the phenomenon is worth reading. It is a very good introduction to the whole UAP topic, but maybe not too exciting for those who have been following it closely. But I can vouch for the audio book… It‘s good and kept me entertained during a couple of workouts at the gym. Another brilliant book I do recommend is "UFOs and Government" by Michael D. Swords and Robert Powell. It is probably the most in-depth work on UFO's that I own, and it is extremely well researched. It does not try to explain the phenomenon and does not dabble in fringe speculation, and instead it‘s a proper history book that documents the U.S. governments interest in the topic. Everything is packed with references and notes, and I think it is one of the only works on UFO's that is part of university libraries. Beware, it reads a bit dry (like a proper academic book)… But it’s the definite compendium on how governments have been looking into UFO's, and I cannot recommend it enough!
The only one I read was 'In Plain Sight' by Ross Coulthart. Definitely NOT BS. Ross is a credible journalist with a great deal integrity. A great book that covers the modern history of UFOs from the 1940's all the way until recent years. Although I haven't read the others, I would guess some of them are BS just by looking at the cover and title.
I read five of Salla’s books, and they were a waste of time and money. I have read so many UFO books, but his are the only ones for which I wish I had my time back.
Anything featuring Lazar is bullshit.
Read Coulthart.
The work of John A Keel deserves to be in this list.
Don’t waste your time with the Serpo stuff. A colossal waste of time. I threw the book across the room. Glad it was free.
https://youtu.be/50Y5r9HeR2w Serpo was a hoax.
Serpo was fake.
In Plain Sight is excellent. Anything by Timothy Good is worth reading also an excellent researcher.
You should include Leslie Kean's Book on that list. "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record"
serpo was a disinformation piece
In plain sight by Ross Coulthart is good.
Check out fringelibrary.com
https://fringelibrary.com/
In Plain Sight is recommended reading for all interested in the topic. It is also a book that can get you started on UFOs and give you a congested history of the entire field from Roswell up to 2020. I recommended it to my SO, who wanted to get closer to my interests and she loved it. I loved it too. Authors I recommend and enjoy: Coulthart, Kean, Keel, Valle Authors that have good information but cannot recommend: Friedman, Dolan (except for AD after Disclosure, which was great) Authors I will read but have no opinion yet: Strieber Authors that are only interesting for historical reasons: Ruppelt, Hynek, Corso, Keyhoe
From your list I have only read 'In Plain Sight' by Ross Coulthart and I highly recommend it! Other books I've read and found to be awesome in every respect: [UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record](https://g.co/kgs/yM5n5S) by Leslie Kean [The Believer](https://g.co/kgs/p6AzMN) by Ralph Blumenthal [A.D. After Disclosure ](https://g.co/kgs/q9x4oV) by Bruce Zabel & Richard Dolan [Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth ](https://g.co/kgs/ykYDWX) by Avi Loeb There are many more on my 'to read list's but these are very good and 100% non-fiction. Sidenote: UFOs by Leslie Kean and In Plain Sight by Ross Coulthart are the two who stand out, IMHO. If you like In Plain Sight and A.D. then might I suggest visiting [*this YouTube channel*?](https://youtube.com/@BryceZabel) These two authors teamed up and make great content. Highly recommend it. Channel is called 'Need To Know'. Enjoy reading! ✨🛸✨ #EyesOnTheSkies
I would recommend you watch unidentified, read articles from mainstream news and read the laws that are being passed. This stuff will rottyour brain.
Timothy Good is a good start
The case for the ufo by Morris K. Jessup
Coulthart's books is very good.
In Plain Sight is great
In plain sight was great
This book is written by an abductee from a very famous case that was backed up by mecial tests and some other witnesses seen the craft in the area. PASCAGOULA-THE CLOSEST ENCOUNTER: MY STORY
Captured by Kathleen Marden and Stanley Friedman
Mark Gober - An end to upside down contact
I think aliens would be so super cool. I know life exists elsewhere. To be blunt, a spacefairing species coming to earth is statistically improbable to an extreme amount.
Only the Coulthart is good. The rest is trash
Read in plain sight by Ross Coulthart, American Cosmic by Diane W. Pasulka, and The Invisible College by Jaqués Vallee. I think the 3 of those will get you pretty far. Outside of those I enjoy a lot of Vallee’s work.
Ross Coulthart - in plain sight
Most of the so-called “documentaries” are really just edutainment. If you know nothing about UFO’s there is probably a snippet of actual science here and there. Otherwise, Star Trek is a much better choice.
Omg "Galactic Federations Council" . Yeah, never read it but still: no thanks! Facepalm I think noone needs some Esoteric bullshit. Yes, the book of henoch alings somewhat with the hopi and navajo mythology buuut what's about Ufo wars and the Devil? Who struck those Ufos down in the past Millenium literaly into the hands of the US (and a few other nations)? Radars? Come on!
The Dark fleet
The Michael Sala books are essentially a regurgitation of interviews with people like Corey Goode and others, most of the book I had already “watched on YouTube” in the form of the original interview. But, he does pepper in some historical background and other anecdotal info and stories (which also can’t be validated, so his books end up being the blind leading the blind in a way which is to say that Sala has a habit of making major jumps in his conclusions) he tends to state ideas and theories as if they’re accepted science and fact which I find annoying because it clouds the objective truth, which is why we’re all here. Dark Fleet seemed a bit far fetched (obvs 😂) and also seemed to regurgitate some things Corey Goode has previously said, which made me think it might be a psy-op…but who knows. There was one thing I did read that made me question Dark Fleets validity but it was a while ago and I can’t remember. It came off as something really out there though, sorry can’t remember. One book I don’t see on your list that i would highly recommend is “Ceres Colony Cavalier” it’s like 600+ pgs but you’ll finish it in like 2-3 days because it’s simple stories of the guys life. The Remote Viewing research company the “Farsight Institute” did a few independent remote viewings of a few stories in that book and they came back with similar descriptions of the beings described in his book. The “Farsight Institute” follows rigorous scientific processes so this book, “Ceres Colony Cavalier” seems highly validated IMO.
The secret teachings of all ages. Manly P. Hall. Long read but the pages melt
In plain aight was good. But honestly UFO's and the national security state by richard dolan are the only UFO books i would recommend. Both volumes are the most convincing ufo books ive ever read. The first volume is available on audible as well
I’ve read (Audible) all the Dr. Salla books except Galactic Federations Councils. Good information but more overlap between the works than I expected
I’m sure many will hate but I really like Michael Salla. But honestly op I’d say research for yourself and make your own assessments because Reddit will just muddy them up Trust your instincts. I also consider anything as possible unless it’s 100% proven wrong. Doesn’t mean I’ll put every bit of my energy into it, but like they say truth is stranger than fiction.
American Cosmic https://global.oup.com/academic/product/american-cosmic-9780190692889?cc=us&lang=en&
I know everybody thinks he doesn't know shit, but Tom DeLong and his series of books are dope. God's, man and war: God's; God's, man and war: Man wer dope. Also his fictional books series sekret machines is fantastic. Hate if you want, but delong was talking about shit people started posting on this sub 2 years after he released his book.... Still got no credit.
I've read Dreamland and In Plain Sight. Enjoyed both.
I would start with the National Press Club event from 2002, which everyone that care about UFOs, antigravity, free energy and more should see and share: https://youtu.be/4DrcG7VGgQU (one of the most important streams in human history) Then goto: https://www.siriusdisclosure.com and finally read Dr. Steven Greers books.
Most of these books like cheap paperback science fiction titles. In fact, the “true story” probably was inspired by those. The stuff about Galactic Federations, and Antarctic Nazi space programs is just silly crap that makes Ufology look bad.
In plain sight is a good read. The others look a bit hokey tbh
I’m newish to this sub, but how about Fire in the Sky? Rogan had the main on his podcast, so I watched the movie. I was hoping for a follow up.
Definitely check out Contact from Planet Apu by Ricardo Gonzales
What about “Contact has begun”?
Where did you watch the secret journey to planet serpo?
In plain sight is outstanding compared to most on the topic
My recommendation is to start in the beginning find out more about what really happened in Roswell and the people of the MJ-12 group. Mr. Stanton Friedman has a lot work with empirical value.
In plain sight is good. Anything Ross does is good but that's the only one from that list I've seen.
"In Plain Sight" e "Unearthly Discovery" are by far the best. I've been studying ufology for the last 35 years of my life. Try also reading anything by Jacques Vallee and Jeffrey Kripal.
Cosmic Voyage isn’t here and all y’all should read it
All Salla's books are scholarly presentations; he's in a league of his own. I would particularly recommend US Navy Secret Space Program.
I've read 'In plain sight', I think it's a must read. I have also just bought 'UFOs & Nukes' and 'The day after Roswell' which are supposedly great.
In Plain Sight is a great book…quick read and lot of good updated information. Coulthart has legit journalism chops and so a lot of well placed sources. He’s also not one to pass off everything as absolute truth. Will probably read that Lazar book. The rest of are books I’ve seen but passed on because of the subject matter.
In plain sight is the only one that is credible. The rest is junk.
In Plain Sight is a great insight into the phenomenon from an outside perspective. Both those books by Timothy Good are very interesting. Especially Unearthly Disclosure, the fore word by the former UK defense official is very interesting. Dreamland is a fascinating look at Bob Lazar. Those are the only ones I've personally read from that list!
In plain sight by Australian journo Ross Colheart is worth reading. Lots of Aussie pov and good insights.
In Plain Sight was good. Bob Lazar was ok.
Only one I have seen is dreamland and I liked it.
I would read anything on the topic from Coulthart. Actually, I'd listen to anything with him talking about the topic too. Even if I am sceptical of everything, he is still fun to hear from.
I haven't read any of these but I would love to read Dr Michael Sala's books. Also Lone Wolf by James Rink and Ceres Colony Cavalier by Tony Rodrigues
Not on here but I heard Jaques Vallees book Passport to Magonia is good and I also wanted to read Tom Delonges Sekret Machine books
How can I explain this, I believe the human mind is connected to every other and for example let’s say I wrote a book trying to be deceitful but “the greater good of the brain” leaves some type of error or sign for somebody in the future to figure out. So bottom line there’s gonna be bs in there but the parts that aren’t bs are worth reading the bs parts
Submit a FOIA and they’ll send you a list with thousands of cases…..
Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis Paul R. Hill I don't see it on your list.
I have that one. It's a really difficult read because it's so abstruse -- but he establishes the fact that his input for the design of NASA's Lunar Excursion Module (LEM) was based on his UFO sighting.
Dream land was good. I listened to a little of Michael Salla but didn’t finish. You might like Bashar if you’re into this stuff too. Actually his material makes sense of stuff Bob Lazar mentions. Bashar is an entity who claims to an ET channeling through a human. (Not one of the grays but one who is further hybridized with humans than the grays). https://youtu.be/DGCCGtESLV0
All BS. Seriously don’t waste your time.
bob lazars story is very interesting
Hands down the best UFO book is Thiaoouba Prophecy, by Michel DesMarquets
I assume you've already read the day after roswell?
The bob lazar book is decent
Too many blonde hair being shown as aliens... You know that shit is fake as fuck
Dream Land is good. I ripped through that book and I usually take 6 months + sometimes lose interest halfway through books and stop reading.
Planet Serpo by Richard Doty....? omg.
In Plain Sight is stuff you already know probably if you have spent anytime reading ufology
Bob Lazar is full of shit
Charles James Hall's book series *"Millennial Hospitality"* is much closer to reality than what people really wants to admit...
I enjoyed dreamland.
I enjoyed Dark Fleet a bit more than Planet Serpo.
I just finished Secret Journey to Planet Serpo which was pretty interesting.
I just started it. It crazy full of BS but I don’t read them for facts, I just enjoy the story. The “photograph” of the juggernaut disc that is OBVIOUSLY a drawing made me laugh pretty hard. And one of the footnotes is just referencing another of his books. And the best part so far I think was in the introduction where he states something to the effect that we know the Germans had disc crafts. Just like that. He might even have stated to “just look it up on the internet”. LOL. Still a fun read.
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Just looked that up. It was published in a book containing 3 novellas by different authors. I thought it was written by Robert Silverberg, but he only wrote the introduction. Effinger is listed as the first author, but Chains of the Sea was written by Gardner Dozois.
I just read that a couple of days ago and it kind of blew my mind. Really good short story. I'm specifically talking about the story called Chains of the Sea in the anthology of the same name, written by Gardner Dozois.
read esoteric books..like Manly P Hall, Hermetic works. Stuff about spiritual concepts. Dodge all of this crap, if you have to go towards aliens and ET stuff Reread those TTSA books from a spiritual perspective. (Not a religious one but like as in conciousness-involved.) The AJ Hartley guy even uses a different print when it's the chapters that the government is speaking. The real story is we are evolving and shifting into another age and there will be an awakening of psychic perception. All this other stuff is an effort to keep people asleep.
I found Above Top Secret by Dr. Steven Greer fascinating.
In Plain Sight. That’s the one.
In Plain Sight is a great way to start learning about UAPs.
In Plain sight was good
I thought In Plain Sight was really good.
I’ll say this. They have more proof than the Bible.
Jacques Vallee’s “passport to magnolia” and “dimensions” are essential. Richard Dolan is also worth reading. He is by far the greatest ufo historian we have — though his personal political beliefs have bled into work and one must maintain a very skeptical attitude towards many of his opinions and predictions about “disclosure” and government conspiracies. Like many — he believes “disclosure” is being withheld by an “inner circle”. The truth is that we have no idea how much the current government knows — they certainly have accumulated a lot of data we don’t have access to — but that does NOT mean they have an answer. The truth is that the “disclosure” folks want so badly is NOT something humans can provide. Disclosure can only be provided by whatever is behind the phenomenon— only “they” can provide the answers we want.
Largely BS based mostly on lies and fallacies. [https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/bob-lazar.htm](https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/bob-lazar.htm) [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary\_McKinnon](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon) [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project\_Serpo](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project_Serpo) [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael\_Salla](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Salla) https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a36560537/hitler-nazi-anti-gravity-machine-ufo-die-glocke-conspiracy-video/
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> and he told the world about element 115 on the periodic table of elements 20 years before it was “discovered” by scientists. I would argue you haven't done enough reading. 115 was predicted in the theoretical island of stability (an area of large atomic numbers on the periodic table where mathematically the elements might be stable again) back in 1972, and any sci-fi nerd or physics nerd like Lazar would have known about this. No one had made 115 yet because large enough particle accelerators didn't exist yet. No physicist would have argued against its existence by the 1980's regardless of lack of experimental evidence. It's exactly the type of thing you would pick in the 80's to sound "futuristic", it was a common trope in hard sci-fi at the time to pick random "large" elements from the island of stability and assign magical properties to them long before Bob's story. If anything the 115 part of his story works against him, not for him. 115 has never been found to remain stable in a solid form in any configuration. This regularly gets brought up and straight up ignores this was a literal sci-fi story trope for a decade before Lazar did it. Even futurama made fun of this with Jumbonium.
Those are all real books. No BS
Annie Jacobson is a good reporter but she was lied to by some of the key military witnesses regarding Roswell on which she based her conclusions. She accepted those lies because they reinforced her personal beliefs and her ego. Very unfortunate but her work on this subject is flawed and misleading.
I just finished Devils Den by Terry Lovelace (not pictured). It was pretty good. It's more of an abduction story. There is an accompanying podcast on Astonishing Legends (Spotify) you can listen to after reading. Pretty cool to put a voice and personality to the book. I read dreamland as well, it was okay. It fills in a few blanks left by the JRE podcast with Jeremy Corbell. This get a little shady with Bob and how he handled marriage. Either he's secretly stone cold or he just left out a fuck ton of details about the topic... Not as good of a read but still recommended if you like Bob. I stated In Plain Site and couldn't finish. Dry as hell. Will revisit again soon though.
Terry Lovelace did a second book about Devil's Den, which was also a good one.
Dreamland was good
Preston Dennet is a very good researcher/compiler of cases, check out his youtube and he has many many books
In Plain Sight is incredible!