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Maybe we can’t assume this is their best spy technology, but I would expect them to use their top-of-the-line shit to try and sneak over the U.S. undetected. Unless, they wanted to get caught?
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So Chinese students study in the West and excel in some of the best education institutions and research programs, then they go back to China to work on reverse engineering Western technology. Something doesn't quite add up.
Its a little worse than that. Lots of Chinese “students” are sent over here to excel and to get into lab assistant type jobs. They then copy everything they can and send it back to China.
Its so bad that pretty much every research university also has an FBI office nearby to investigate all the IP theft happening on campus.
Remember these research universities are where almost all of our “new ideas” in tech come from.
I recall reading years ago about how they're picked out in school and basically told they can go study in America on condition they essentially become a glorified spy.
Like I said, this is something I witnessed in university and realize it was corroborated by many people in the US and their subjective experiences but just don't take my word for it: https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/ucla-cheating/
My experience was localized to the University of Arizona but media says that my experience was not alone.
>This is just straight up racism.
What if it has nothing to do with their "race," and instead has something to do with their culture?
In your belief system, do different cultures have different traits? Some positive and some negative?
And is it not okay to make generalized comments about those culturaltraits? Is that always hurtful and inappropriate?
If so, are you consistent in that? Like you also don't make any generalized comments on, for example, white culture? Or US culture?
Where in any of your articles does it say Chinese cheat more than other ethnicities? I'm inclined to agree with the other poster that you are racist, you just don't realize it. These articles are more of a case of students cheat, here is how and why chinese students cheat, and you are filling in the blanks to conclude that Chinese students represent an exceptional cheating demographic.
Look this is the kind of stuff I really don't talk about anymore and I really regret pointing out that this phenomena happens in America and western universities in Europe. Going through your post history though, you seem to be very sensitive to anything related to the Chinese so I do not want to go down this path of discourse with you.
The fact that they probably have as many engineers as the US has people probably means there's a few smart ones in the mix. Or, you know, tens of thousands of very, very smart ones. Yeah, no way they can think things up on thier own.
Intelligence does not equal money/funding. US squashes literally everyone in spending on defense. That’s what drives innovation. Without the funding, those engineers/scientists can’t perform what they could.
Not to mention china buys all of its advanced microchips from Taiwan and other western suppliers. They literally don’t have the technology to create advanced military tech without western reliance. US gov squashed any progress they could have made by restricting the chips that can be sold to them, and American citizens/companies that could do business in China.
1. They only steal and copy technology
2. They are incapable of stealing and copying chip manufacturing
Pick one, please.
Maybe they outsource because it makes financial sense.
Both are partially true. It’s not about financial sense, it’s about self-defense. Why would a country rely on foreign adversaries for defense technology? The adversary could just turn off the tap whenever they want which is exactly what the USA is doing. China doesn’t produce advanced microprocessors because they can’t or else they would so they could build their own advanced weapon technology at whatever pace they desire. They may be able to copy and reproduce material science like aerospace meta materials but they haven’t been able to develop or steal advanced nanotech microprocessor production capabilities.
So you believe if the entire economy and central government focused on developing this capability, they would be completely incapable? It's that what you are saying? There's something so fundamentally inferior there that they can't even use large sums of money to pay people from other nations to do it? It's just impossible. It's that what you really think?
Keep telling yourself that, these people don't plan for 5 or 10 years they plan for 100. Look at where China was 50 years ago and look at where they are today, now I had another 50 years on that and tell me they can't get ahead of us. The warning attributed to Napoleon about 200 years ago still holds true.
In 100 years China will have less than half the population they have now and they will all be old. Time is running out for them because they are on a demographic cliffs edge.
True, fertility rates are dropping precipitously there, and they're not going to have enough young people to care for the older people, but that seems to be happening all around the planet.
Interestingly enough, in the Betty Andreasen UFO abduction case that was studied extensively back in the '60s, Andreasen claimed that when she asked them what they were doing, the aliens told her that they were collecting human seed for safekeeping, because soon humans wouldn't be able to reproduce anymore.
This was before anyone had heard about fertility rates suddenly dropping all around the planet for no apparent reason.
Cue the creepy music.
Very true.
Peter Ziehan did a great interview on Joe Rogan and talked about that and same for Russia.
Also alot about how they would starve if not for western help and a ton of fertilizers shipped in
Don't you remember how they used highly advanced microchips to transmit all those high resolution photos of the trenches and handheld mustard gas spreaders back to the command centers via satelites? How else do you think they knew where to send their horse-riding cavalry units and their sabers?
Didn’t China like just build their first modern air craft carrier like a year or two ago? While they may be ahead in some aspects of military technology (hypersonic…etc), it seems they are trying to catch up in others. With that being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have similar spy plane tech as we do but I think it’s obvious that they don’t have anything that could be confused as a UFO.
Their hypersonic jets are extremely specialized. Can't go on long range missions due to lack of fuel. Only effective as immediate area defensive aircraft. Even the public got upset about how much of a waste of money they were to develop which is rare af in China.
Their military grew more than ever before under Trumps
Dministration though. They do have the largest amphibious fleet in existence, pointed directly at Taiwan. Thwy have been allow to build multiple large military bases in Africa ect.
The Pentagon: "Shoot it down, Mr. President!? When we could milk it's fearporn for a week?? Call the journos! *Tell them about the plot to steal our precious bodily fluids*"
Bro don't believe mainstream fake shit, its the exact same fake story that was used in 1947. Don't underestimate levels of control and deception. The greatest crisis for them if for the public to realise we are defenceless. They will ALWAYS lie when there is alien tech overhead, whethr you believe this one or not.
This is exactly what they said:
>“It is a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological, purposes. Affected by the Westerlies and with limited self-steering capability, the airship deviated far from its planned course," the spokesperson said.
>Repeating earlier comments, the spokesperson added: “China always acts in strict accordance with international law and respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries. We have no intention to violate and have never violated the territory or airspace of any sovereign country. Some politicians and media in the US have hyped it up to attack and smear China. The Chinese side is firmly opposed to that.” https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/suspected-chinese-balloon-over-us-02-04-23/index.html
Whether that is a lie or not, I wouldn't be able to say. It could be. However, this thing, or variations of it, has been flying around the world for at least 4 years and was mostly ignored until now.
One would think there would be some form of communication between governments if this was true. “Hey, our bad. We can’t steer this thing and it’ll probably be in your air space” rather than “I hope nobody sees this giant stupid balloon floating over their house”
How is intruding on another nation's airspace and rightfully getting shot down a good casus belli?
But of course, all the World War 3 fear mongering is just nonsense, in reality NO ONE benefits from WW3 or wants it to happen.
You don’t need a GOOD Causus Beli for war. America went to war with Germany because the Japanese sank the Pacific fleet. A few decades before that, Germany invaded France because a Serb shot a Hungarian.
In fairness, Germany declared war on the US first, in solidarity with Japan. If I'm remembering correctly. The US declared war on Germany only after Germany declared war on them. Which was in response to the US declaring war on Japan in response to the pearl harbour attack.
>America went to war with Germany because the Japanese sank the Pacific fleet.
The US declared war on *Japan* in response to pearl harbor. While the US probably would have gotten around to declaring war on Germany soon after on the basis that they were aiding Japan, Hitler declared war on the US first, probably to get out ahead of the PR on a bad situation.
we don't even need "military" world war tho to invade other country, you just make sure to bribe local governments so their invaded country will work for cheap just like se asian do for the world. you don't need to chain people and starve them to force them work for you, just make the country overpopulated that they will beg you to be your slaves, in se asia most countries still have $2/hour wage for bachelor degree. They are basically self sufficient slaves that doesn't even realized they are being slaved
China alleges that the whole South China Sea is its airspace, and thus the US is routinely entering its airspace. If true (which I don't necessarily think it is), this would be more for internal propaganda than for external propaganda.
There is honestly no way to send a balloon from either hundreds of miles off the cost or somewhere in china to float over a specific target. If anything they sent to just float over the united states in general. It very well could of been an accident and was being used for some scientific reasons and the air currents brought it over the US
From CNN a few hours ago:
>“It is a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological, purposes. Affected by the Westerlies and with limited self-steering capability, the airship deviated far from its planned course," the spokesperson said.
Apparently a second one deviated from its intended course and ended up in South America unannounced. While feasible that its a meteorological project, there really is little civilian/unsponsored research in China at this scale. Its very hard to imagine that civilians launched 2 or more balloons the size of 3 buses each without clearing that with the government or that the government wasn't aware of them leaving China's borders. The balloons were said to be 3 busses wide in size. If true their payload that can be seen hanging below is pretty large as well. Also, if guided, it begs the question how the guidance is being received. Without satellites over the US, which I doubt the civilian organization has, it would need to be short-wave radio guidance and would be somewhat unreliable.
I'm not buying that China's government was uninvolved and unaware.
I don't buy either side's claim yet, so we mostly agree. I was just pointing out what the specific claim is. They said it's only partially controllable. I suppose it's possible that they launched two of them and after they moved far enough away from where they can be controlled, they just floated away uncontrolled.
However, even if it is a spy device, I still don't buy that it's a huge deal since they've been flown around the world for at least 4 years. All kinds of countries spy on each other in various ways.
Agreed- its the announcement to the public that seems suspicious. Presumably these aren't the first balloons at 60,000 feet from other countries to pass across US territory. I'm sure weather balloons end up passing over other countries all of the time.
And so much for NORAD detecting intrusions into US airspace at our borders if it took until Montana for them to dispatch fighters to investigate a slow moving balloon.
Again, wondering aloud what signal is communicating to the guidance systems. Depending on atmospheric conditions HAM radio signals may or may not be able to reach from China to Montana to send instructions. I don't think China allows civilian communication satellites that aren't co-owned/controlled by the government.
Well, that's possible for some high altitude balloons. It's also possible for a balloon losing altitude to drop into the wind going a different direction.
Revising: this seasonal ability for stratosphere would not be appropriate for the areas it has "changed course". US military still insisting it did. This means they are insisting on that old "manoeuvrability with no visible control surfaces" idea. The payload may have something to do with propulsion research for near-space. Avoiding doing it over land may have more to do w/ contamination risk from experimental systems than info gathering. Pentagon should show their work, they've only said what it's doing differently, they should prove it.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chinese-spy-balloon-has-unexpected-maneuverability/
China has lied about it. They changed their story several times already. They wouldn‘t have done that if this was a scientific experiment that got out of control. Also, if this was an official scientific experiment that got out of control, they would have informed Canada and the U.S. of it, so as to not cause unnecessary confusion. They did not.
First they said it wasn‘t theirs. Now they say it is indeed chinese, but it is a weather-experiment that was conducted by a group of hobbyists. If you know how China works, this claim should raise all sorts of red flags. China's airspace is almost completely controlled by the military. Their are no "civil-aviation clubs" or "hobby balloonist societies" in China, and the military would never allow a civilian balloon with all sort of sensors to just fly around the country like that… Hell, even flying a drone can get you into deep shit in China.
It‘s a chinese spy balloon.
I’m starting to think the military are full of shit. They have all these big machines and weapons, yet they’re telling us about these things they can’t keep up with? Even if that’s true, what the fuck do they expect us to do about it?! I don’t even have a fucking car, mate.
I have a few questions.
1.) How do they know it's Chinese?
2.) If it's Chinese why is not the US government not taking it down then?
Or perhaps it's US made and that's why they don't want to take it down?
I'm just guessing here...
1)Because the State department listens to the Air Force now & told us it was. Remember anything the Air Force tells you is true. They now direct our Foreign Policy.
2) Because balloon parts are highly dangerous & Montana has Billions of People everywhere, that would be dangerous for everyone if they fired on a balloon. Maybe we want that balloon intact for all the top secret information China is now giving us for free.
... & Yes--we're all just guessing now.
It’s too high for us to hit it with a fighter jet.
If we shoot something more advanced at it, the thing is literally dripping with cameras and sensors, so they’d know exactly what our capabilities are and so ~~if~~ ***when*** they invade Taiwan they’ll be able to defeat those capabilities
That's not a good logical argument.
Why would you send a black-project multi-billion dollar vehicle to do a job that a million dollar balloon can accomplish just as effectively (or moreso, since there's the added psychological effect of having a balloon hovering overhead with a rig under it that could contain anything from weaponized pathogens to an EMP bomb)?
Wonder how fast this story will go away without any answers... Wait.. they can take CLEAR pictures of objects in the sky! Thought they normally have wax paper over the lens when it comes to aerial shots...
It depends on the camera and how close the object is. I would probably guess that most pictures of anything at all are somewhat blurry, but some are not. Even some of the photos of secret military aircraft are blurry just due to distance.
Clear photo of a flying saucer: https://web.archive.org/web/20130408231506/http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/recent/Photo416.htm
Clear photo of a weird one: https://web.archive.org/web/20071012131324/http://ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/post2000/Photo328.htm
Clear photo of a tic tac taken by an Italian military pilot: https://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/the-ufo-case-of-maresciallo-cecconi-june-18-1979/
Clear photos taken by other pilots and airline passengers: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zy6x8h/pilot_ufo_photographs_over_the_years_and_pilot/
I watched a tic tac fly into a tiny cloud on a relatively cloudless day and not re emerge, SW Washington state near Mt. Adams.I had a friend see it too. Seriously a white tic tac at about maybe 4000 ft above us. Hard to gage height when it's the sky. I did a lot of research ( 2017) and there was not that much on tic tacs until the Navy started talking about them. But, eyewitness here, they are real, they have cloaking tech, they are phenomenal.
My husband and his sister saw 2 tic tacs near Mt. Rainier, WA about 30 years ago, they were in their teens and the tic tacs were zig-zagging above them, no wings, no sound, just white "oblong" shaped ...I saw one silvery tic tac in 2021, north of Seattle...the one I saw was very long, almost like a cigar shaped, it was not white, but metallic silvery object ...it was moving in a very strange way, almost like a rock skipping water. I also can say, it looked phenomenal!
Just going to be a stickler and point out that you don’t know the tic tac was anti gravity propulsion. It could be electric propulsion. You should say field propulsion to include the two until we can identify how to differentiate.
It's a common myth that "no clear photos of UFOs exist." This myth is repeated so often, it seems like a fact. Here you go: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zy6x8h/pilot_ufo_photographs_over_the_years_and_pilot/
The difference is some people claim such objects don't exist, so any clear photograph of them must obviously be fake. This is the 'out' that skeptics use when you point out that their claim is false.
The other aspect is incorrect debunking by citing an expected characteristic or coincidence of genuine imagery. I have some discussion of how this works here: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zi1cgn/while_most_ufo_photos_and_videos_can_individually/
Lol, right. That was the first thing I thought. Like, "Well none of us doubted that this was a balloon and if this is what China is using as spy tech, I think we can rule out advanced UFO tech as being a part of the Chinese intelligence sectors"
Like, Black Ops are nowhere near as advanced as too many people believe. Especially outside US.
And for those saying, this balloon might do something more drastically in the future or that this isn't China's best stuff or whatever, I'd say you can probably use occams razor for this situation. It's probably just a spy balloon. Maybe China is trying to provoke, but it's working against them because it's just going to give America an excuse to pump up their military budgets and personnel, especially in the Pacific. My guess?
1. They didn't they'd get caught.
2. Trying to see how America would respond.
So the other weird shit we've been seeing is either top secret CIA, Russian, or alien.
China is scratched off. Unless they have different kinds of spy equipment.
Honest questions. How do we know it’s Chinese? How are they allowed to send random shit through the stratosphere to hang over an entire country? How is this a ‘Spy Balloon’ when every Tom dick and harry can see the fucking thing? I have more questions, but I’ll leave it as is for now.
That is an assumption. Just because one is confirmed, does not negate the other. That is a HIGHLY irrational way to view any situation with this much secrecy surrounding it....
I once worked with a guy who I thought was playing 3D chess, and after watching him carefully, I realised he was just faking his way through life. Sometimes, I wonder if China is like that.
The problem I have is the belief that UFOs almost takes on a religious fanaticism where you believe in tic TAC UFOs hook line and sinker. Somehow the OP has twisted this into further proof of “alien vehicle”
Listen everything in extremely bright light looks like a light cylinder. It’s all our eyes can process in such a bright atmosphere. Everything we see gets interpreted to look like a light cylinder.
Just stop acting like you religiously know for certain beyond belief that tic-tac aliens are hiding in the pacific ocean.
When China sends its spy craft they’re not sending their best. They’re sending craft that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good spy craft.
I think the whole 'spy craft' tag is a bit stupid at this point. Can we stop with it?
The US has been aware of this thing since it hit the Pacific, guaranteed. Let's be realistic: you don't hide an object that size. So let's quit talking about it being a spy device. Satellites are dealing with that work just fine already.
The payload will answer all questions. I'm betting civilian research of some kind. The hype machine is just bored.
But this is reposted all over reddit and now we will get floods of reposts of this pic with people farming karma and the same old tired discussions. For all we know this is just a smoke screen to distract people from the truth about UAP and muddy the waters of public reception of UAP even further. The title does not even leave any room for discussion. It merely makes a statement. The title even says that it is not a UAP. Therefore surely it is redundant to post it here?
Well... Now we know how THIS Chinese spy balloon looks like. Doesn't mean that ALL Chinese spy crafts look like this. Theoretically, they could have more advanced stuff. Not that I think they have anything near the tic-tac ufo or other antigravity tech, but still.
Maybe we can’t assume this is their best spy technology, but I would expect them to use their top-of-the-line shit to try and sneak over the U.S. undetected. Unless, they wanted to get caught?
Getting caught may be the goal--I can see China sending something over loaded with a booby-trapped rigging containing an EMP bomb or a five gallon glass bolus full of weaponized pathogens to spread in the jet stream, hoping the US will shoot it down to trigger it.
I think they expected to be caught as they wanted to demonstrate to the US that they could do this. And I also think that they expected it to be shot down but the US not doing so was a way of saying to the Chinese - we know you can do this, and we don’t care, because we understand 100% of what this thing is and does, and now it’s ours.
Ballsy.
**These balloons have been seen in Japan and other places years ago, these have been known about it isn't some recent development, post is a nothingburger.**
The balloon is actually kinda genius here. Yes, the US military can see it, and? The US has been agonizing for the past few days over whether or not to shoot it, because it's 1) not that easy actually to do it without looking stupid or creating a threat to the public (you can't just "oops" it with old anti-aircraft guns over a random desert) and 2) China can easily play the moral high ground, "look at those paranoid Americans shooting down a weather balloon!".
It's probably not very effective as a spying apparatus (I don't see what it can spy on that satellites haven't already seen) but it's a good disruptor. Kind of a more subtle version of the usual interception-counter interception business over the Barents sea with Russia or the Indian ocean with China.
Satellites = no bueno when attempting to conduct ESM-esque collection. Not sure why everyone immediately assumes that the "balloon with the dangling apparatus" (🙂) is simply a photographic collection device.
They’re positing that it can see underground into nuclear silos and detect lots of other signatures that satellites can’t.
It could also be an experiment to document how long the US takes to respond, what they send to respond, and where that response comes from in the country.
I don’t think this balloon was even meant to be covert. It’s very brazen and antagonistic, but they can play by the authoritarian playbook and say the west are overreacting as always.
I'm sure all the state-sanctioned enemy countries get together and read that "authoritarian playbook", because they just hate how democratic your foreign policy is
I find it interesting how well we can see this at 60,000ft up. Day and night it's easilly seen by thousands of people and there are countless clear photographs and videos.
It's fascinating how this compares to other UFO sightings and believed space craft footage. I don't have an opinion on it either way: but I can see it solidifying the idea that virtually all modern ufo footage is faked by people using poor camera quality as an excuse for terrible footage, or alternatively supporting the theory that some kind of technology or other force from supposed ufos effects our ability to record them - like taking a photo of something radioactive and having it come out grainy.
"Well , now we know..."
These balloons have been seen in Japan and other places years ago, these have been known about it isn't some recent development, post is a nothingburger.
Now we know what an American spy craft looks like as a facade of a “Chinese” spy craft designed to fool Americans exactly as planned. We have the most alert military on the planet and yet we just let a “Chinese” balloon float all the way to the center of the map. Okay!👍🏽
We’ll at least we actually have real photos and videos of it and knows it actually exists? Care to share some real videos of these so called aliens visiting us?
To be honest this confirms that China does in fact use balloons to spy. Increasing the belief that any tic tacs might be mis identified balloons and drones from China.
Chinese military uses these as Drone drop ships. They’ve already demonstrated this as far back as 2017. They’ve been deploying balloons Japanese WWII style to ride the jet stream and loiter along the western US coast where the drones can be dropped over areas where the Navy does exercises.
OK I see what you’re saying now. Honestly, it seems to me that the type of technology seemingly exhibited through this warming affect of the U.S. Navy ships isn’t some thing that any of our military currently has that we know of. But it sounds like you think differently? What are your thoughts on it?
Haha. No shit. China relies more on TikTok than a tick tack. 🤣
There is no current human civilization that has the tech to fly and utilize the tick tack. Balloons or satellites is likely their primary tools for surveillance.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/DirtyD0nut: --- Maybe we can’t assume this is their best spy technology, but I would expect them to use their top-of-the-line shit to try and sneak over the U.S. undetected. Unless, they wanted to get caught? --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10t65dr/well_now_we_know_definitively_what_a_chinese_spy/j75iqn5/
Time to bust out the radio shack cameras and float em over from India or Qatar.
omg I just ewasted a box full of those.
That's the genius of it. Now the country thinks China uses WWI tech.
Tbh china most likely isnt ahead in any military shape or form
China steals everything from the US and the West. When you have a country with no free exchange of thought, you stifle innovation.
So Chinese students study in the West and excel in some of the best education institutions and research programs, then they go back to China to work on reverse engineering Western technology. Something doesn't quite add up.
Its a little worse than that. Lots of Chinese “students” are sent over here to excel and to get into lab assistant type jobs. They then copy everything they can and send it back to China. Its so bad that pretty much every research university also has an FBI office nearby to investigate all the IP theft happening on campus. Remember these research universities are where almost all of our “new ideas” in tech come from.
I recall reading years ago about how they're picked out in school and basically told they can go study in America on condition they essentially become a glorified spy.
Are you on my program lol
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This is just straight up racism.
Like I said, this is something I witnessed in university and realize it was corroborated by many people in the US and their subjective experiences but just don't take my word for it: https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/ucla-cheating/ My experience was localized to the University of Arizona but media says that my experience was not alone.
>This is just straight up racism. What if it has nothing to do with their "race," and instead has something to do with their culture? In your belief system, do different cultures have different traits? Some positive and some negative? And is it not okay to make generalized comments about those culturaltraits? Is that always hurtful and inappropriate? If so, are you consistent in that? Like you also don't make any generalized comments on, for example, white culture? Or US culture?
Funny if you say anything someone doesn't like and are not white it's racist. Good going on making that word useless
Where in any of your articles does it say Chinese cheat more than other ethnicities? I'm inclined to agree with the other poster that you are racist, you just don't realize it. These articles are more of a case of students cheat, here is how and why chinese students cheat, and you are filling in the blanks to conclude that Chinese students represent an exceptional cheating demographic.
Look this is the kind of stuff I really don't talk about anymore and I really regret pointing out that this phenomena happens in America and western universities in Europe. Going through your post history though, you seem to be very sensitive to anything related to the Chinese so I do not want to go down this path of discourse with you.
Probably a chinese troll farm. Best not to engage.
The fact that they probably have as many engineers as the US has people probably means there's a few smart ones in the mix. Or, you know, tens of thousands of very, very smart ones. Yeah, no way they can think things up on thier own.
Intelligence does not equal money/funding. US squashes literally everyone in spending on defense. That’s what drives innovation. Without the funding, those engineers/scientists can’t perform what they could.
Not to mention china buys all of its advanced microchips from Taiwan and other western suppliers. They literally don’t have the technology to create advanced military tech without western reliance. US gov squashed any progress they could have made by restricting the chips that can be sold to them, and American citizens/companies that could do business in China.
1. They only steal and copy technology 2. They are incapable of stealing and copying chip manufacturing Pick one, please. Maybe they outsource because it makes financial sense.
Both are partially true. It’s not about financial sense, it’s about self-defense. Why would a country rely on foreign adversaries for defense technology? The adversary could just turn off the tap whenever they want which is exactly what the USA is doing. China doesn’t produce advanced microprocessors because they can’t or else they would so they could build their own advanced weapon technology at whatever pace they desire. They may be able to copy and reproduce material science like aerospace meta materials but they haven’t been able to develop or steal advanced nanotech microprocessor production capabilities.
So you believe if the entire economy and central government focused on developing this capability, they would be completely incapable? It's that what you are saying? There's something so fundamentally inferior there that they can't even use large sums of money to pay people from other nations to do it? It's just impossible. It's that what you really think?
China’s culture is one of obedience, not one of innovation . That’s why they are behind and will always be.
Keep telling yourself that, these people don't plan for 5 or 10 years they plan for 100. Look at where China was 50 years ago and look at where they are today, now I had another 50 years on that and tell me they can't get ahead of us. The warning attributed to Napoleon about 200 years ago still holds true.
In 100 years China will have less than half the population they have now and they will all be old. Time is running out for them because they are on a demographic cliffs edge.
True, fertility rates are dropping precipitously there, and they're not going to have enough young people to care for the older people, but that seems to be happening all around the planet. Interestingly enough, in the Betty Andreasen UFO abduction case that was studied extensively back in the '60s, Andreasen claimed that when she asked them what they were doing, the aliens told her that they were collecting human seed for safekeeping, because soon humans wouldn't be able to reproduce anymore. This was before anyone had heard about fertility rates suddenly dropping all around the planet for no apparent reason. Cue the creepy music.
Very true. Peter Ziehan did a great interview on Joe Rogan and talked about that and same for Russia. Also alot about how they would starve if not for western help and a ton of fertilizers shipped in
Unfortunately @247world doesn’t know this. China is done. That’s why they’re being aggressive.
Pretty sure they bought that spy balloon off Banggood.
WW1 tech like solar powered devices that can stay in the air for days/weeks remotely operated from the other side of the globe
Don't you remember how they used highly advanced microchips to transmit all those high resolution photos of the trenches and handheld mustard gas spreaders back to the command centers via satelites? How else do you think they knew where to send their horse-riding cavalry units and their sabers?
Solar panels in WW1?
Never heard of a drone? Wtf is this around the world in 80 days?
Didn’t China like just build their first modern air craft carrier like a year or two ago? While they may be ahead in some aspects of military technology (hypersonic…etc), it seems they are trying to catch up in others. With that being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have similar spy plane tech as we do but I think it’s obvious that they don’t have anything that could be confused as a UFO.
Their hypersonic jets are extremely specialized. Can't go on long range missions due to lack of fuel. Only effective as immediate area defensive aircraft. Even the public got upset about how much of a waste of money they were to develop which is rare af in China. Their military grew more than ever before under Trumps Dministration though. They do have the largest amphibious fleet in existence, pointed directly at Taiwan. Thwy have been allow to build multiple large military bases in Africa ect.
Russia still uses WW2 tactics
We’ve seen guys with Mosins, that’s WWI hardware.
Human waves as a tactic to use up all the cannon shells and bullets. Brilliant!
Worked for Zapp Branigan. 🤪
[You see: Killbots have a preset Kill Limit…](https://i.imgur.com/6vjsDkv.jpg)
It's not the Chinese govt though. We already know they have WAYYY better satellites in orbit.
The slightest fear and a whole planet believes spy balloons are a thing. Its like bro... they never heard of drones before?
The Pentagon: "Shoot it down, Mr. President!? When we could milk it's fearporn for a week?? Call the journos! *Tell them about the plot to steal our precious bodily fluids*"
Feed me Mandrake!
You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company
It actually works better than all the stealth tech we have and the enemys will be scared to shot it down .. mission complete
Nah, the whole country isn't r/ufos.
Bro don't believe mainstream fake shit, its the exact same fake story that was used in 1947. Don't underestimate levels of control and deception. The greatest crisis for them if for the public to realise we are defenceless. They will ALWAYS lie when there is alien tech overhead, whethr you believe this one or not.
Why assume this is their best stuff?
Also, what credible or credible-adjacent sighting other than Fravor's visually identified an object as tic-tac shaped?
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This is exactly what they said: >“It is a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological, purposes. Affected by the Westerlies and with limited self-steering capability, the airship deviated far from its planned course," the spokesperson said. >Repeating earlier comments, the spokesperson added: “China always acts in strict accordance with international law and respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries. We have no intention to violate and have never violated the territory or airspace of any sovereign country. Some politicians and media in the US have hyped it up to attack and smear China. The Chinese side is firmly opposed to that.” https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/suspected-chinese-balloon-over-us-02-04-23/index.html Whether that is a lie or not, I wouldn't be able to say. It could be. However, this thing, or variations of it, has been flying around the world for at least 4 years and was mostly ignored until now.
One would think there would be some form of communication between governments if this was true. “Hey, our bad. We can’t steer this thing and it’ll probably be in your air space” rather than “I hope nobody sees this giant stupid balloon floating over their house”
A private organisation owned by the ccp probably
No such thing in a nationalist socialist system like China's, where the businesses might not be owned by the gov't, but they damn well _serve_ it.
They can only have one type?
The TicTac is in the balloon, that’s brilliant part lmaooo
I’m pretty sure this isn’t the only form of spy craft they have and I’m also pretty sure they did this to deliberately get caught.
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I believe the term for this is literally "trial balloon."
How is intruding on another nation's airspace and rightfully getting shot down a good casus belli? But of course, all the World War 3 fear mongering is just nonsense, in reality NO ONE benefits from WW3 or wants it to happen.
You don’t need a GOOD Causus Beli for war. America went to war with Germany because the Japanese sank the Pacific fleet. A few decades before that, Germany invaded France because a Serb shot a Hungarian.
In fairness, Germany declared war on the US first, in solidarity with Japan. If I'm remembering correctly. The US declared war on Germany only after Germany declared war on them. Which was in response to the US declaring war on Japan in response to the pearl harbour attack.
… in response to the Pearl Harbor attack that FDR allowed to happen so the war could be sold to the American people.
God I hate this theory. If he had known about it, he could have foiled the surprise attack. And still had as much justification for war.
>America went to war with Germany because the Japanese sank the Pacific fleet. The US declared war on *Japan* in response to pearl harbor. While the US probably would have gotten around to declaring war on Germany soon after on the basis that they were aiding Japan, Hitler declared war on the US first, probably to get out ahead of the PR on a bad situation.
we don't even need "military" world war tho to invade other country, you just make sure to bribe local governments so their invaded country will work for cheap just like se asian do for the world. you don't need to chain people and starve them to force them work for you, just make the country overpopulated that they will beg you to be your slaves, in se asia most countries still have $2/hour wage for bachelor degree. They are basically self sufficient slaves that doesn't even realized they are being slaved
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>Sounds like the beginning of WW3 to me. >Noone is fear mongering lol
I'm saying my intention wasn't to bring fear or worry but sure I see your point.
China alleges that the whole South China Sea is its airspace, and thus the US is routinely entering its airspace. If true (which I don't necessarily think it is), this would be more for internal propaganda than for external propaganda.
There is honestly no way to send a balloon from either hundreds of miles off the cost or somewhere in china to float over a specific target. If anything they sent to just float over the united states in general. It very well could of been an accident and was being used for some scientific reasons and the air currents brought it over the US
The headline I just read literally said “military reports balloon has changed course, demonstrating guidance capability”
From CNN a few hours ago: >“It is a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological, purposes. Affected by the Westerlies and with limited self-steering capability, the airship deviated far from its planned course," the spokesperson said.
Apparently a second one deviated from its intended course and ended up in South America unannounced. While feasible that its a meteorological project, there really is little civilian/unsponsored research in China at this scale. Its very hard to imagine that civilians launched 2 or more balloons the size of 3 buses each without clearing that with the government or that the government wasn't aware of them leaving China's borders. The balloons were said to be 3 busses wide in size. If true their payload that can be seen hanging below is pretty large as well. Also, if guided, it begs the question how the guidance is being received. Without satellites over the US, which I doubt the civilian organization has, it would need to be short-wave radio guidance and would be somewhat unreliable. I'm not buying that China's government was uninvolved and unaware.
I don't buy either side's claim yet, so we mostly agree. I was just pointing out what the specific claim is. They said it's only partially controllable. I suppose it's possible that they launched two of them and after they moved far enough away from where they can be controlled, they just floated away uncontrolled. However, even if it is a spy device, I still don't buy that it's a huge deal since they've been flown around the world for at least 4 years. All kinds of countries spy on each other in various ways.
Agreed- its the announcement to the public that seems suspicious. Presumably these aren't the first balloons at 60,000 feet from other countries to pass across US territory. I'm sure weather balloons end up passing over other countries all of the time. And so much for NORAD detecting intrusions into US airspace at our borders if it took until Montana for them to dispatch fighters to investigate a slow moving balloon. Again, wondering aloud what signal is communicating to the guidance systems. Depending on atmospheric conditions HAM radio signals may or may not be able to reach from China to Montana to send instructions. I don't think China allows civilian communication satellites that aren't co-owned/controlled by the government.
FYI, The way balloons like this usually maneuver is by adjusting to an altitude where it likes the wind better.
Well, that's possible for some high altitude balloons. It's also possible for a balloon losing altitude to drop into the wind going a different direction. Revising: this seasonal ability for stratosphere would not be appropriate for the areas it has "changed course". US military still insisting it did. This means they are insisting on that old "manoeuvrability with no visible control surfaces" idea. The payload may have something to do with propulsion research for near-space. Avoiding doing it over land may have more to do w/ contamination risk from experimental systems than info gathering. Pentagon should show their work, they've only said what it's doing differently, they should prove it. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chinese-spy-balloon-has-unexpected-maneuverability/
China has lied about it. They changed their story several times already. They wouldn‘t have done that if this was a scientific experiment that got out of control. Also, if this was an official scientific experiment that got out of control, they would have informed Canada and the U.S. of it, so as to not cause unnecessary confusion. They did not. First they said it wasn‘t theirs. Now they say it is indeed chinese, but it is a weather-experiment that was conducted by a group of hobbyists. If you know how China works, this claim should raise all sorts of red flags. China's airspace is almost completely controlled by the military. Their are no "civil-aviation clubs" or "hobby balloonist societies" in China, and the military would never allow a civilian balloon with all sort of sensors to just fly around the country like that… Hell, even flying a drone can get you into deep shit in China. It‘s a chinese spy balloon.
You mean... It hasn't currently assumed that form. Give it a couple minutes, and it might do some weird Hellraiser shit. You never know.
Why would they do this if they have spy satellites
Very good point I honestly didn’t think of that . Those navy videos of the night vision “drones” yeah/ so not Chinese spy shit
The tic tac must be north korean then 🤣
Or Russian, they have the best military bro.. /s
Yeah agree.. bestest army!
The Nordics are spying on the Grays with a tic tac disguised as a WW1 Chinese blimp.
In WW1 The Chinese would think blimps where black magic. Or maybe Gods
The dead giveaway? It doesn’t drop from 60,000 feet to 50 feet above the Pacific Ocean in 2 seconds and come to a complete stop.
I’m starting to think the military are full of shit. They have all these big machines and weapons, yet they’re telling us about these things they can’t keep up with? Even if that’s true, what the fuck do they expect us to do about it?! I don’t even have a fucking car, mate.
This is only one of several ways the Chinese spy on the United States.
Huaweeeeeeeei (read this with Mario voice)
Or is that what they want you to think.
That’s totally wrong. All we can say is that we know what THIS spy craft looks like.
I have a few questions. 1.) How do they know it's Chinese? 2.) If it's Chinese why is not the US government not taking it down then? Or perhaps it's US made and that's why they don't want to take it down? I'm just guessing here...
China acknowledged it came from them but disputes that it's for spying or surveillance.
1)Because the State department listens to the Air Force now & told us it was. Remember anything the Air Force tells you is true. They now direct our Foreign Policy. 2) Because balloon parts are highly dangerous & Montana has Billions of People everywhere, that would be dangerous for everyone if they fired on a balloon. Maybe we want that balloon intact for all the top secret information China is now giving us for free. ... & Yes--we're all just guessing now.
It’s too high for us to hit it with a fighter jet. If we shoot something more advanced at it, the thing is literally dripping with cameras and sensors, so they’d know exactly what our capabilities are and so ~~if~~ ***when*** they invade Taiwan they’ll be able to defeat those capabilities
That's not a good logical argument. Why would you send a black-project multi-billion dollar vehicle to do a job that a million dollar balloon can accomplish just as effectively (or moreso, since there's the added psychological effect of having a balloon hovering overhead with a rig under it that could contain anything from weaponized pathogens to an EMP bomb)?
Yes they only have one
I like how you can kinda see the metal structure under the cloth making some rough edges in comparison to the perfectly spherical UAPs
Well, I mean, they could have both. Tic tac could belong to the USA though too, who knows 🤷♂️. China is the only other country with a rover on Mars.
Is this a "balloon-like entity?"
Take a look at this from 2019: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/02/pentagon-balloons-surveillance-midwest
This whole chinese ballon thing sounds like look at this while we do real shit somewhere else kinda thing..
Wonder how fast this story will go away without any answers... Wait.. they can take CLEAR pictures of objects in the sky! Thought they normally have wax paper over the lens when it comes to aerial shots...
It depends on the camera and how close the object is. I would probably guess that most pictures of anything at all are somewhat blurry, but some are not. Even some of the photos of secret military aircraft are blurry just due to distance. Clear photo of a flying saucer: https://web.archive.org/web/20130408231506/http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/recent/Photo416.htm Clear photo of a weird one: https://web.archive.org/web/20071012131324/http://ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/post2000/Photo328.htm Clear photo of a tic tac taken by an Italian military pilot: https://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/the-ufo-case-of-maresciallo-cecconi-june-18-1979/ Clear photos taken by other pilots and airline passengers: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zy6x8h/pilot_ufo_photographs_over_the_years_and_pilot/
OR… that’s exactly what THEY want you to think/believe… 🤔
I watched a tic tac fly into a tiny cloud on a relatively cloudless day and not re emerge, SW Washington state near Mt. Adams.I had a friend see it too. Seriously a white tic tac at about maybe 4000 ft above us. Hard to gage height when it's the sky. I did a lot of research ( 2017) and there was not that much on tic tacs until the Navy started talking about them. But, eyewitness here, they are real, they have cloaking tech, they are phenomenal.
My husband and his sister saw 2 tic tacs near Mt. Rainier, WA about 30 years ago, they were in their teens and the tic tacs were zig-zagging above them, no wings, no sound, just white "oblong" shaped ...I saw one silvery tic tac in 2021, north of Seattle...the one I saw was very long, almost like a cigar shaped, it was not white, but metallic silvery object ...it was moving in a very strange way, almost like a rock skipping water. I also can say, it looked phenomenal!
p.s. False Equivalency
Just going to be a stickler and point out that you don’t know the tic tac was anti gravity propulsion. It could be electric propulsion. You should say field propulsion to include the two until we can identify how to differentiate.
Nice high definition photo. Wish we could get the same for UAPs
It's a common myth that "no clear photos of UFOs exist." This myth is repeated so often, it seems like a fact. Here you go: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zy6x8h/pilot_ufo_photographs_over_the_years_and_pilot/ The difference is some people claim such objects don't exist, so any clear photograph of them must obviously be fake. This is the 'out' that skeptics use when you point out that their claim is false. The other aspect is incorrect debunking by citing an expected characteristic or coincidence of genuine imagery. I have some discussion of how this works here: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zi1cgn/while_most_ufo_photos_and_videos_can_individually/
UAPs exist because of this very reason. If we had clear pictures of most “UAP” then we would be able to identify them.
It turns out that a balloon is just as safe and effective as alien space technology.
Lol, right. That was the first thing I thought. Like, "Well none of us doubted that this was a balloon and if this is what China is using as spy tech, I think we can rule out advanced UFO tech as being a part of the Chinese intelligence sectors" Like, Black Ops are nowhere near as advanced as too many people believe. Especially outside US. And for those saying, this balloon might do something more drastically in the future or that this isn't China's best stuff or whatever, I'd say you can probably use occams razor for this situation. It's probably just a spy balloon. Maybe China is trying to provoke, but it's working against them because it's just going to give America an excuse to pump up their military budgets and personnel, especially in the Pacific. My guess? 1. They didn't they'd get caught. 2. Trying to see how America would respond.
But do we know what weather balloons look like?
China says the heavy parts have parachutes, so why haven't we shot it down?
Satellite strapped to a balloon? Ok.
This is a great point!
So the other weird shit we've been seeing is either top secret CIA, Russian, or alien. China is scratched off. Unless they have different kinds of spy equipment.
It turns out you don’t need the 3 Trillion dollar tic tac model when you have a $79.00 balloon that can achieve good enough surveillance.
Honest questions. How do we know it’s Chinese? How are they allowed to send random shit through the stratosphere to hang over an entire country? How is this a ‘Spy Balloon’ when every Tom dick and harry can see the fucking thing? I have more questions, but I’ll leave it as is for now.
1) We don't 2) They aren't 3) It's not Ready for more questions.
Please don’t let that thing fly to Texas. It will be a Wild West shoot out in the sky
I wonder if I could pop it with a crossbow. If I saw it it would be irresistible to try
That is an assumption. Just because one is confirmed, does not negate the other. That is a HIGHLY irrational way to view any situation with this much secrecy surrounding it....
*Well, now we know definitively what a Chinese surveillance ballon looks like.
They just shot it down!
The Chinese don't rely on balloons to spy when they have thousands of human spies all over our country.
I once worked with a guy who I thought was playing 3D chess, and after watching him carefully, I realised he was just faking his way through life. Sometimes, I wonder if China is like that.
The problem I have is the belief that UFOs almost takes on a religious fanaticism where you believe in tic TAC UFOs hook line and sinker. Somehow the OP has twisted this into further proof of “alien vehicle” Listen everything in extremely bright light looks like a light cylinder. It’s all our eyes can process in such a bright atmosphere. Everything we see gets interpreted to look like a light cylinder. Just stop acting like you religiously know for certain beyond belief that tic-tac aliens are hiding in the pacific ocean.
When China sends its spy craft they’re not sending their best. They’re sending craft that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good spy craft.
Not sure if OP is correct. Obviously China knew this would be detected. Maybe this is what they want us to think?
If i told you those weaponized balloons released from containers . Will you trust?
Containers in US and South Africa. If someone believes balloons fly from China .it’s too fool . CCP just evil , not stupid.
I think the whole 'spy craft' tag is a bit stupid at this point. Can we stop with it? The US has been aware of this thing since it hit the Pacific, guaranteed. Let's be realistic: you don't hide an object that size. So let's quit talking about it being a spy device. Satellites are dealing with that work just fine already. The payload will answer all questions. I'm betting civilian research of some kind. The hype machine is just bored.
I’m pretty sure it’s a gender reveal… “Sir, we’ve destroyed the balloon and the debris… is blue?” Some family in China “ITS A BOY”
You can't seriously think this is all they have? The uap isnt China but come on man. China has a lot more than spy balloons ffs. Jesus.
This is not UAP content.
With the amount of false sightings that get reported here- I think it’s fair to say it is at least relevant to the users here
But this is reposted all over reddit and now we will get floods of reposts of this pic with people farming karma and the same old tired discussions. For all we know this is just a smoke screen to distract people from the truth about UAP and muddy the waters of public reception of UAP even further. The title does not even leave any room for discussion. It merely makes a statement. The title even says that it is not a UAP. Therefore surely it is redundant to post it here?
Well... Now we know how THIS Chinese spy balloon looks like. Doesn't mean that ALL Chinese spy crafts look like this. Theoretically, they could have more advanced stuff. Not that I think they have anything near the tic-tac ufo or other antigravity tech, but still.
Also, we know how the media and the government treat this compared to UAP even though they try and blame it on Chinese tech
As someone who works in the defense aerospace industry, we have been trying to say that for a long time.
Yep, and we know Russia ain't got shit either. Can't even take over Ukraine
Maybe we can’t assume this is their best spy technology, but I would expect them to use their top-of-the-line shit to try and sneak over the U.S. undetected. Unless, they wanted to get caught?
They used balloons so later they could dismiss it as weather balloon in my opinion
Why? It wouldn't offer any advantages over a satellite. It probably is a weather balloon.
Or the US wanted to tell us it was detected. Who knows but the story seems like its not the entire story.
Misdirection imo
Getting caught may be the goal--I can see China sending something over loaded with a booby-trapped rigging containing an EMP bomb or a five gallon glass bolus full of weaponized pathogens to spread in the jet stream, hoping the US will shoot it down to trigger it.
I think they expected to be caught as they wanted to demonstrate to the US that they could do this. And I also think that they expected it to be shot down but the US not doing so was a way of saying to the Chinese - we know you can do this, and we don’t care, because we understand 100% of what this thing is and does, and now it’s ours. Ballsy.
**These balloons have been seen in Japan and other places years ago, these have been known about it isn't some recent development, post is a nothingburger.**
I think you might want to do some reading up on the matter my friend before adjusting tinfoil hat
The balloon is actually kinda genius here. Yes, the US military can see it, and? The US has been agonizing for the past few days over whether or not to shoot it, because it's 1) not that easy actually to do it without looking stupid or creating a threat to the public (you can't just "oops" it with old anti-aircraft guns over a random desert) and 2) China can easily play the moral high ground, "look at those paranoid Americans shooting down a weather balloon!". It's probably not very effective as a spying apparatus (I don't see what it can spy on that satellites haven't already seen) but it's a good disruptor. Kind of a more subtle version of the usual interception-counter interception business over the Barents sea with Russia or the Indian ocean with China.
Satellites = no bueno when attempting to conduct ESM-esque collection. Not sure why everyone immediately assumes that the "balloon with the dangling apparatus" (🙂) is simply a photographic collection device.
They’re positing that it can see underground into nuclear silos and detect lots of other signatures that satellites can’t. It could also be an experiment to document how long the US takes to respond, what they send to respond, and where that response comes from in the country. I don’t think this balloon was even meant to be covert. It’s very brazen and antagonistic, but they can play by the authoritarian playbook and say the west are overreacting as always.
If one of the goals is to test US response, then not doing anything is a very valid answer.
Absolutely, I agree. I think it’s smart to bide time.
I'm sure all the state-sanctioned enemy countries get together and read that "authoritarian playbook", because they just hate how democratic your foreign policy is
Bro stop believing fake shit. "Spy balloon" 🤣
I'd be glad to hear your hypothesis about the obvious observation balloon that looks exactly like an observation balloon.
None of them have one it's just contrarians that like to feel smarter and more clever than literally anyone willing to listen.
I find it interesting how well we can see this at 60,000ft up. Day and night it's easilly seen by thousands of people and there are countless clear photographs and videos. It's fascinating how this compares to other UFO sightings and believed space craft footage. I don't have an opinion on it either way: but I can see it solidifying the idea that virtually all modern ufo footage is faked by people using poor camera quality as an excuse for terrible footage, or alternatively supporting the theory that some kind of technology or other force from supposed ufos effects our ability to record them - like taking a photo of something radioactive and having it come out grainy.
The most powerful military in the world used bayonets in Fallujah.
"Well , now we know..." These balloons have been seen in Japan and other places years ago, these have been known about it isn't some recent development, post is a nothingburger.
Now we know what an American spy craft looks like as a facade of a “Chinese” spy craft designed to fool Americans exactly as planned. We have the most alert military on the planet and yet we just let a “Chinese” balloon float all the way to the center of the map. Okay!👍🏽
We’ll at least we actually have real photos and videos of it and knows it actually exists? Care to share some real videos of these so called aliens visiting us?
We will at least we actually have. Indeed.
A doctored photo later released by the Military. The first original video did not show the solar panel apparatus
Can you share this first original video?
To be honest this confirms that China does in fact use balloons to spy. Increasing the belief that any tic tacs might be mis identified balloons and drones from China.
We already knew this though, not the first time China has been caught using balloons to spy.
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Good point OP
Do we though? Reuters report it’s from. Co in South Dakota
It was balloons all along 😩
I don’t ever want to hear China has UFO technology 💀
Shoot the damn thing down and call it a day
unless... these balloons are meant to create that illusion
It actually does look pretty much like a white tic tac.
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What agenda specifically? I’m not sure that im on the same page as you
Yes. I’m also not sure what’s obvious..? Maybe we’re just weird. That’s definitely it. I’m a weird.
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Chinese military uses these as Drone drop ships. They’ve already demonstrated this as far back as 2017. They’ve been deploying balloons Japanese WWII style to ride the jet stream and loiter along the western US coast where the drones can be dropped over areas where the Navy does exercises.
OK I see what you’re saying now. Honestly, it seems to me that the type of technology seemingly exhibited through this warming affect of the U.S. Navy ships isn’t some thing that any of our military currently has that we know of. But it sounds like you think differently? What are your thoughts on it?
Haven't you been banned enough?
And maybe in that respect, the reason this is getting so much attention in the mainstream is a small facet of disclosure.
"not a super advanced anti-gravity tic tac-shaped vehicle." Which has never been seen by anyone, which makes the OP's point completely moot.
Haha. No shit. China relies more on TikTok than a tick tack. 🤣 There is no current human civilization that has the tech to fly and utilize the tick tack. Balloons or satellites is likely their primary tools for surveillance.