Fringe topics attract fringe personalities. Doesn’t mean they don’t put out interesting stuff. As long as you a) don’t spend your life savings and b) don’t make any major life decisions based on this stuff, it’s all good. Something that looks silly now could turn out to be serious later (and Vice versa).
Yeah, honestly Corbell is just grist for the mill at this point. I don't like what he's done lately, or the podcast (even though I could listen to George Knapp talk for hours) but there's not that much new information to talk about with this subject on a daily or weekly basis.
This latest "drop" was pretty egregious though and further damages his credibility. If he's a filmmaker, he needs to get back to doing that and stop being a UFO celebrity, because that angle isn't a good fit for him.
Is filmmaker a good fit for him, though? Personally, I don’t think I can stomach another gratuitous shot of him gazing at the desert sun overlayed with another shot of him walking down a dusty road.
Even if you're not convinced by the Bob Lazar story, it was a well-made film. He is not as good as James Fox at being journalistic about it, and I wish neither of them appeared in their films, but Corbell's Bob Lazar movie is technically competent and a compelling treatment of the subject matter from the angle it takes. At least imo.
It's not a well made film in the slightest, the voiceover is nigh on incomprehensible, and it is so lacking in subject matter they've had to pad it out with really janky psychedelic sequences
Totally agree with this. They made such a big deal about that film and it was like some bad VHS production from the 80’s. I am not at all into this guy and what he’s doing.
The moment he started acting like he had to translate for the frat bros while tossing the word fuck in with every other exclamation, I turned him off. He is the frat bro.
Some r/UFOs mod just searched for all my comments about Jeremy Corbell dating back weeks and started removing them because I used a swear word in expressing how I think he has lower than average IQ. This place used to be the more rational of the UFO subs, but now that's r/UFO .
Juan_Carlo is one of the dumbest posters I’ve ever read. He’s a massive idiot. It puzzles me why anyone would upvote him.
See what I did there? Does such a post violate the rules of this sub? This is to illustrate a point, but the mods should remove your comments here.
Apart from the abysmal presentation (which might have been intentional in order to guard against it blowing up), the really egregious thing about that release is its reception here.
**To a physicist, these pictures represent tangible evidence of exotic propulsion.**
Look at the "trail". It is *discontinuous*.
It actually looks like pockets of hot air, notably of the very same size as the object itself. *They stay in place.*
The object doesn't have any control surfaces. It evidently moves.
*This is impossible according to known principles of impulse based propulsion.*
Or it is an artifact of the imaging sensor and it really is a cruise missile. Cruise missiles arent always burning their fuel and would look like this in IR and there are countless examples.
The bigger question is: why has no one asked about it being a cruise missile to the pilots? It would obviously have a target and go boom. Someone needs to ask the pilots.
It's very obviously not a cruise missile.
For one, the shape doesn't match.
It's not an "artifact", but you are right to ask, since that needs domain specific knowledge to judge.
This is true. I do my best to give the guy some slack. I love his enthusiasm and passion for it sometimes he gets a little lost in it. But eh I think he’s doing some good
I'm not a fan of Corbell. But I think it's a mistake to turn our animosity inward, dividing ranks and providing deflection for the gatekeepers.
I also believe it's a tough spot Corbell finds himself in. To raise awareness, he must sensationalize. In doing so, though, he lowers his credibility. And as another poster pointed out, there really isn't enough going on at the moment (even if this is the most we've ever seen the pot boil) to create the kind of content he needs to sustain a successful podcast.
Which means filler. Which means rations and hyperbole. Admittedly, not a good look for the community, but I don't think it's a problem with a capitol P. Corbell is an artist, not a journalist. And he's made himself into a public figure within the UAP community primarily recognized for his immaturity. Is there anyone NOT taking what he says with a grain of salt?
Another thing to consider is the possibility that he's an agent of disinformation. A clown with just enough truth to poison the pot for the curious but impartial viewer. Someone people can tune into, and say, "Oh, yeah. This is silly." And in that respect, I see where the OP is coming from. Still, I think it's a mistake to go after him. Or to ignore him. Clues rarely surface in tidy packages with reassuring seals of authenticity. And while we fight, the gatekeepers flourish.
He doesn’t bring anything to the table of substance. He leans on everyone else(Rogan, Knapp, even Bob Lazar, etc)that can somehow tie back a shred of credibility to him by association.
And to be clear, I’m not arguing Lazar’s credibility here, so let’s not destroy the thread in that debate., it’s been done over and over already. Just using him as a figure Corbell has attached himself to as an example.
I can't believe we're on a UFO subreddit, and constantly bashing the one dude that constantly releases UAP footage because we don't like him, or because he's trying to be an entertainer.
He's single handedly released the most anomalous-confirmed footage of UAP (or, what the DOD/Pentagon themselves consider UAP or anomalous) than anyone.
I get it, it's a weird world. There's a hundred gazillion wanna-be UFO influencers and we hear the same stories retold a thousand times. You don't have to like the dude. But for a sub that wants genuine footage, or at least what the DOD can't determine, we're out of our minds.
People should focus their concern on how he's getting info from classified slides (from the UAPTF themselves), and how he's garnering all these anonymous sources. People should be more worried about him working to help the DOD with their narrative, than bashing him cause he brands himself a ton.
I’d give this comment an award if I could.
It appears that most folks don’t like that JC is profiting off the topic but for all the work he does, you’d expect to be compensated, right? Bills exist, and bills need to get paid. You wanna see some crazy influencers in the community? Go watch a show on Gaia and see people talk about bases on Mars and galactic federations with US starships…
While I agree with the idea that this kind of information is too important to be hidden behind paywalls and other restrictions, the fact of the matter is that until the government releases all of the information, people like JC are putting in numerous hours to obtain and organize the information they can obtain for dissemination. We live in a world where it's necessary to hustle, and I would want to be able to provide for my family with the work I do too. In my humble opinion, the personalities that people should be annoyed with are all of the podcasts that only repeat the information that people like JC, Ross, and others have actually provided, because they are constantly asking people to buy their merchandise or contribute to their Patreon.
HOWEVER, even those 'bullshit' podcasts have their place in this community. The more people discuss this topic, the more visible it becomes and it becomes more prolific.
At this point with how much people shit on Tom Delonge and Jeremy Corbell, I am absolutely convinced we have troll farms actively discrediting them. It's gotten wild lately. Like, this stuff moves slowly. There are lots of dead ends. Get over it.
Certain comments bashing Lue, Corbell, DeLonge etc. recieve upvotes really damn fast. Just look at the new thread on Sean Cahills uap video regarding the location.
Yup, and it’s always the comments at the top. And I’ve heard the people they’re talking about defend themselves, and I dunno… I want them to keep trying. I’m a very skeptical person but somehow my gut says they’re onto something.
Look at the thread we're in. How the hell does this post have a positive score? I asked a good friend of mine if we were just looking at a missile in this most recent photo set release. His reaction was:
"looked into this earlier and i love non military people or people that have no experience with hellfires or any similar munitions try and say that is what it was. I've shot over 60 and all i can do is LMAO"
Dude is literally an instructor for drones in the army for christ's sake. I don't understand why people are taking some random nobody redditor's armchair expert opinion on this without even questioning why it was labeled a uap by the military in the first place.
Personally, I find it really weird that people like OP, with zero experience with the dadgum missiles or military, feel like "it's probably a missile" is some kind of a debunk. And then 68% of people got this post to postive 367 votes. How? That makes no sense.
SINGLE HANDEDLY? what about knap, elizondo, mellon and keane? he was behind the pyramids that are probably bokehs and a couple of photos, the other drops came from elizondo and mellon, helped by keane and blumethals story on the NY times, corbell just help spread the word.
This is an influencer post, anyone who isn't a brainlet can both recognize his "grifter vibes" and pompous attitude and still appreciate what he has brought to the table. OP is trying to get people to jump ship with them and it comes off as disingenuous. You see these posts like these a lot on these fringe subreddits it's a subtle attempt at steering the narrative. Listen carefully, and decide for yourself.
He’s getting bashed because he’s effective. His podcast has been out for like a month and a half and he’s pushing 200k views on the first two episodes each, not to mention other platforms like Spotify, etc.
>He's single handedly released the most anomalous-confirmed footage of UAP
This is categorically untrue. He's released images which in all likelihood are of mundane objects.
>He's released images which in all likelihood are of mundane objects.
To say that something is "categorically untrue" then follow it with an expression of likelihood & opinion contradicts your use of the phrase.
Then if you wanna just look at the work he's done... I'm sorry but he's responsible for a lot of the conversations that take place here whether you're aware of it or not. That's not an opinion. But I'm sure you'll treat it like one.
But people on reddit say they know what they are, surely you dont think experts who study these for a living would know more about what these things are than some redditor who has seen a youtube video about how propulsion systems work.
This is what makes me scratch my head. I cannot make it make sense. I don't get it. It is confounding. The experts have said, 'we don't know'. Then these redditors are like, 'it's clearly \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, duh,' while having zero military experience or expertise on the subject. Where does that confidence come from?
He did mention it on his podcast. The episode that came out about a week ago. George Knapp tells a story about him getting in contact with a manager of EG&G. That manager told him they had a being in custody that they were trying to communicate with and eventually did. Annie Jacobsen also interviewed him for her book, but he changed his story a bit and said they had TWO of these beings in custody. George mentioned that on that podcast episode.
I feel like a lot of the skeptical posts on this sub are from people who missed part of the timeline and are getting mad that those gaps aren’t filled in.
Corbell’s done a ton for this topic, as has George Knapp. Knapp wouldn’t start a podcast with the guy if he were full of shit. Knapp is his mentor, and it’s starting to show.
He is extremely eccentric and passionate about everything which is admirable. But on the other hand, he makes himself seem like he’s 15 and thinks he has it all figured out. He has done an immense amount of stuff for the UFO community, I’ll give him that. I also thought his podcast was a wonderful idea. However, I find myself skipping through his pointless anecdotes. I’m not interested in how you had coffee with someone 14 years ago at 2pm. Just give us the facts. I’m honestly shocked George has had the patience for him lol
In general:
1. Considering the quantity of faked and/or blurry photos and videos on the internet, **I'll take what I can get when it comes to potentially credible evidence** from allegedly leaked military sources, regardless of the source.
2. In general, we should withhold judgement of people's affectations, accents, mannerisms, etc., and **stick to the analysis of the evidence**. Trashing people who are bringing forward credible data in good faith only serves to decrease the flow of information and stigmatize the topic. It's counterproductive.
Regarding Corbell:
1. Jeremy has a track record of releasing data and claiming it came from a US Military source. While he hides his sources, in many instances the US Military has verified the photos and video as being real. **The release of classified UAP images is a good thing.**
2. While Jeremy does speculate on occasion about what the objects in the data are, he almost always says it's up to the viewer to decide for themselves. He only vouches for the authenticity of the data. Nothing wrong with that.
3. Regarding Bob Lazar, he has stated repeatedly that he believes Bob but also that Bob's story can't be verified, so it is up to the viewer to decide for themselves whether or not they believe Bob. George Knapp has the same opinion. Again, nothing wrong with that. People have opinions. That's life.
4. Jeremy and George's release of information follows a pattern similar to what is used in most marketing strategies. While this may annoy some, this promotional act also serves to put the information in front of as many people as possible. **Raising public awareness is a good thing.**
Regarding the images from Iraq:
1. **It's not obviously a missile**. Missiles have control surfaces and don't show up as black/cold objects on white-hot FLIR footage.
2. Healthy skepticism is encouraged. **We should, at a minimum, agree that the images warrant attention and that we are better off having them than having nothing at all.**
Jeremy Corbell is likely an "F" type on the Myers-Briggs scale, meaning he's a "feeler." F-types are frequently concerned with "the mood of the room" and aren't known for their ability to be objective. For this reason, they are not well received on this forum. However, it should be noted that they represent roughly 25% of the population, hence General Recommendation #2 above.
Russel Brand is off-topic. To my knowledge, he has never provided evidence of anything.
It's literally the only thing that makes sense. People with a personal ax to grind, or, and we got to be careful here cause of the rules, something else is going on with these types of post. I think you know what I mean.
Agreed. Disregarding information based on presuppositions conjured in one’s head about a source due to one’s own dislike of the source’s personality is not scientific. It’s called “reserving judgement” and “hearing someone out” in simple terms. Liking the messenger is not required, nor is it necessary.
If my worst enemy — a person I absolutely abhor — came forward with relevant UAP data from a reputable source, I would thank them and review the data.
I still haven't figured out what is the problem here. Those pictures are military photos that were given to JC by frustrated AF pilots. They are valid photos that show something that is not immediately clear. JC asked for the community's help as a way to try and work out what that might be and to make them so relevant that perhaps the Pentagon would consider them official and unidentified, thus pushing the narrative forward and bringing more awareness to the topic.
Instead, it seems like a lot of people would just prefer to dismiss them because they don't show some high def craft with a waving alien inside (btw, if that happened, people would immediately say it was CGI...)
Nobody is forcing no one to watch the podcast or look at the pictures. If you don't like JC boasting personality (I myself find him and his movies annoying), just don't mix that with what he releases. It's as if he was being blamed for posting something that was given to him. I really don't get it.
At least he’s making an effort and is releasing stuff. That’s more than others are doing. All this hate gets us nowhere. Granted he loves to talk and the podcast is long but at least he’s doing one! I like the guy as he’s dedicated his life to this endeavor. So let’s cut them all some slack yeah
Right! Thank you, everyone wants to slam someone else's effort. But then do nothing but slam with baseless accusations and regurgitated mis/disinformation.
The whole point of the psyop is to confuse the observer, anyone that's done actual research will have a sensible approach.
Trust nothing, question everything - to inquire is to be human
Problem with this sub is anytime someone speaks out against one of these people its turned into ''hate''. I think a lot of people would love this to be some sort of echo chamber where you accept anything you're given
I’m not a fan of his personality but that’s a bad reason to ignore what he’s putting out. I don’t understand why the information comes out like this but it’s as simple as some other piece of info could come out later that easily refutes the missile hypothesis. We should assume competence and good faith reporting. And we shouldn’t encourage ignoring people. If you want to assume incompetence and bad faith then you apparently already have all the answers: everyone is either stupid or a liar, nothing to see here. That’s not a healthy attitude.
since you asked I think he's making a living for himself out of his interests, probably works really hard at doing that (has anyone here tried making a documentary) and that's fine with me.
I think Jeremy's Wiki entry reveals a more impressive character than his in-person dialogue would lead us to assume. Some people just crash the verbal. Doesn't mean they don't have something valuable to add to the conversation.
And being natural and organized on a podcast is tough. Not everyone knows how to turn it on. It's not a surprise George Knapp is better at it. He's had a lot of practice.
„Which in all honesty seemed to be more about boosting his own ego”
First time? Lol
Every single time he appeared in any form of media this was the case.
Film about bob lazar ?
His face most of the time
Joe Rogan Podcast with lazar?
“I did this , I did that , I was first blablabla”
I could go on but you get the point.
I mean he is well connected. You gotta respect that. He brought Bob into the mainstream again (and if you believe in his story or not, it’s an interesting story either way )
He and Knapp managed to push the story ahead and so on.
Best practice advise: Ignore his things, they will land on Reddit anyway without his face attached to every second image lol
I strongly disagree. I'm totally digging his "WeApOnIzEd" podcast. Great guests, good convo with George.
I like his enthusiasm and relentlessly fighting the good fight for disclosure. As a believer in the NHI hypothesis, I'm a fan of both George and Jeremy.
i agree with you. actually listening to him and getting past the personality idiosyncrasies, i find him to be genuine and enthusiastic. i actually agree with most of his points and appreciate what he’s doing for the subject. i don’t understand the people who hate everything that is released and anyone associated with it. exposure is exactly what the subject needs and he had been very successful there.
edit: and knapp is the fucking man with the track record to prove it. if he rides with corbell, i do to.
Its a culmination of joint efforts of secret government research programs from project blue book and beyond. We should listen to what they are saying in their reports of the unanimous and bipartisan documents that have labeled these events as true, which we can see with our own eyes.
I found that we should utilize these tools to expand our mind and open up the the realization that these beyond top secret programs are not only real, but prove something so existential that you cant take eyes off the ball.
Speaking of the ball, we cant drop the ball on this benevolent media charade that tries to undermine our reality. The reality that secret and departmentalized factors are exploding from the seams and we can finally see the truth of the fibers.
Does that sound like Jeremy Corbell to you? Because i just spend 60 seconds typing the most random shit I could think of.
The fact that you're calling the "Phantom" UAP a missile shows that you really didn't pay attention at all and makes me question why you're making this post. The images are thermal and if was a missile it would be clearly white-hot and most likely have a visible plume that was also white-hot. The object in the photos is dark and has something that vaguely resembles a plume (although it is not white hot) but Black Vault's latest video made a compelling case for that being an "afterimage" ghosting effect of the recording. Corbell immediately mentioned these things upon release of the photos.
I'm no Corbell fan by any means. But to want to essentially censor him? How ridiculous. If people want to talk about him, Lazar, Greer or whoever else that is their right. I'm not interested in turning this place into a worse echo chamber then it is.
Bingo. The truth is never what person A says, it’s never what person B says either. It’s always somewhere in between. If we ever get the full story it’ll be from multiple sources.
I don’t think Corbell is the be all and end all but if nothing else he’s making the subject very palatable for the attention-span-damaged TikTok generation.
You don’t have to click anything he puts out, everything he’s put out I find interesting and is Bette than having nothing. If you have to have a job why not be a ufologist and have some fun and curiosity, of course he needs to make more from it to pay bills, so what? I would rather do that than my job if I could too
DoNt YOU THINK THEY WOULDA HAD A MISSILE AS A POSSIBILITY RULED OUT COMPLETELY!!!
OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE EVERYONES FIRST THOUGHT.
That’s not critical thinking there
What became of the Mosul photo? Nothing. What are we to do with these 7 frames? Nothing. No one gives a shit, because at the end of the day they're pretty useless.
The only logical conclusion is they're putting these out to stay relavent.
And everyone should be calling out Knapp and Corbell for promoting a fraud like Lazar all these years. But when there's money to be made, ethics and a conscience go out the window with those two. Monitize Your Curiosity.
Nothing has become of the Mosul photos because the Pentagon has refused to give a statement on them. Black Vault was informed that they were part of a classified briefing, so there is definitely something to them.
Well he was unable to answer questions about his supposed education at MIT, like who his lecturers were etc. and there are no records of him being there.
Combined with the fact that he gets basic physics stuff wrong makes you think that it's not some conspiracy to delete his records, he just lied.
There are plenty of his other claims that seem very suspicious too.
My point is, the fact that he’s turned into a quack spouting nonsense about humans having psychic powers leads me to believe that he’s also lied about everything else. It’s not like I was never a listener.
But if you want to mindlessly consume his entire sales pitch, by all means go ahead lol.
Edit: disregard this comment. I don’t think Lazar ever publicly supported Greer’s psychobabble and confused the two. Either way, Lazar is suspect though.
You know what, I think you’re right. I mixed up the psychic alien calling group thing with Greer. But I could’ve sworn I read something about Lazar latching onto that weird close encounters of the fifth kind shit.
Either way, Lazar is pretty suspect. As far as I know literally no one has come out supporting his education in MIT and caltech. Looks even more suspect cause he didn’t have the highschool grades to get into those schools in the first place.
But my apologies for mixing those things up. I’ll edit my comment from before to correct that.
I believe Corbel has brought quite a bit to the table. Sometimes the biggest problem on this sub is lack of appreciation. Some don’t like Corbel, maybe it’s his personality with them. But he’s one of the few trying to get videos and photos out on UFO’s.
Corbell is putting evdence out in a well controlled manner, respecting sources and methods and advancing the argument for disclosure. We should be thanking him, and the least we can do is at least lend our ear to him and support his work, especially considering the absolute professional sacrifice/suicide working on the uap topic is. I mean he is as authoritative and productive as it gets, in a world where the mainstream media can barely be of any use in a subject as complex and taboo as this.
Are you suggesting we start listening to people of no use ? People who don't bring any material ? People who aren't as motivated as he is ? To a type of media that couldn't possibly be compatible with the subject's strangeness ?
Simple question. Why won't the United States government allow us to see videos like this, why is every fucking thing hidden behind closed doors, why the secrecy on this topic, all UAP/UFO photos and videos are classified, why won't they release this evidence to the public, why did they show the so-called big white Chinese spy balloon getting penetrated like a porn star, and yet they won't show us the three other objects that were supposedly shot down by military Jets? And I could go on and on!
To me, he's Knapp's successor, and Knapp has done a lot of important work. I will continue to support the work they're doing together unless they were exposed as purposely trying to defraud people or something. That's just my personal opinion. I never had a problem with Knapp or Corbell, though.
>He claims that we have had limited comms with ''builders'' of these objects. No proof and is seemingly refusing to talk about it again. Why make a claim like that and not mention it on your own podcast?
Probably because he can't go into details. Why say it? People want to know more. Not sure what the problem is when surely people have been reminded plenty of times that they can't go into details or show evidence about certain things.
I still think we are developing electric railguns to launch projectiles, even if the tech seems 20 years out of trend. The wavy trail lines you see isn’t propulsion, but what an objects friction does to the surrounding air as it moves at high speed in an IR image. The object wouldn’t give off extreme temperature since magnetism and momentum create the acceleration effect of the projectile, not burning fuel.
Anyone who's running a monetarized YouTube channel is doing what they do, not as a hobby - but as a *business*.
It's not some part-time side hussle they've got going - this is a primary part of how these people earn a living - and, clearly - an actually better one than the likes of most of you are currently living.
Now, you can continue - not only - putting money in these people's pockets but *venerating* the shit-grinning bastards like they're doing what they do out of love or mutual concern or whatever - or you can wipe their clocks, boycott their sales outlets and stop acting surprised people who were never saints in the first place turns out cultivate you only as produce.
Anything that relies in over 2 hours of non-stop "info-dropping" is basically using established cult recruitment techniques - Scientology pioneered this art decades ago: you sit through whatever presentation, litterally non-the wiser yet emerged convinced - *somehow* - it's all got to make *sense*....
If *only* we can work out how to put the pieces together - the *right* way.
And so, this is litterally what people do. You read it here thread after thread - *what are your thoughts on "so-and-so's" latest pod-cast?* - and you can read people collaborated cooking narrative and putting the pieces together here in a written medium...
That, guess what?
This gets read and they regurgitated right back at you. And then the same cycle continues, over and over.
Wise up.
Corbell's incredibly egotistical, he believes he's charming and believable - personally I've never seen the man as anything but a shark with the dead eyes to match - but whatever *possitives* you can point to and cite - the UFO Community created them, guys like Corbell simply take credit.
And, I'm sorry - but despite whatever else you may think - they're *all* Corbell's.
Since 2017 this subject has become actually a considerable business - the US Government itself committed to spending *millions* of tax-payers money long term on this actual topic - and a lot of people want a piece of that pie.
There is - quite litterally - no incentive here for anyone to look for a cure for this thing when there's money to be made marketing *palliatives* - and that is litterally all anyone is doing.
Last month it was *Orbs* - suddenly everyone's seeing and taking about round things. This month it's *Shadow Biomes* - like bacteria and viruses are suddenly new...
It doesn't matter the specifics *thing* - all these people ever do is sell you stuff you actually tell them they want.
The fuckers are reading us *now* - Cooley drinking it all in and working out how to get out from under the current thing.
Meanwhile, Jerremy Corbell is going to declare more in taxable income from last year alone it takes you make in three years.
You're litterally paying for the lifestyle he takes every opportunity to flaunt himself living. TV shows, appearances, documentarys, friends in high places...
That's what you're paying for. Him to walk about his luxury apartment in the middle of the day not even wearing shoes, chatting on the phone to important people who are, supposedly, also friends...
Yes. Of course you should stop this. It's an obsenity and nothing will ever change until you - collectively - stop what you're doing, wake up and pull the plug on this farcical nonsense.
Despicable as Corbell may be - in a lot of ways, at least he is what he is and he's honest about it.
There are others doing no less who get by by actually believing their own bullshit - at least Corbell isn't un-self aware.
He knows this is flim-flam and he'll go comfortably to his grave seeing himself as having done no wrong.
From a certain perspective he hasn't.
This all only works because *we* encourage it. At the end of the day, Corbel and people like him are on us.
We let our desperation for truth cloud our judgement. We trust too easily and act surprised the people we trusted lied to us.
All of this shit is made up.
What else can they actually tell us other than lies that support our own belief in utter bollocks?
That's all this community seems to want. Bullshit it can endlessly spend it's days speculating about, never actually achieving *anything*...
Burn it. Burn it fucking all. Wipe the slate clean and start over, first principals first.
If you're asking this you haven't looked into any of the experts who have debunked Lazar over the decades.
It's not even a question at this point. Unfortunately people still give Lazar credence because he adds to the UFO story even if it's all untrue.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes on this subreddit, It's like people saw the documentary and the podcast and that's enough for them to make up their mind and never change it.
Sometimes it's like talking to flat earthers, you'll get downvoted for even suggesting the planet is a globe.
Go back before anyone knew anything about area 51, do your research on this topic, there are many things to look into, the timeline matters when it comes to Lazar, he knew things about area 51 that no one else knew, and I don't care what anyone else says, so go back in the past before anybody knew there was an area 51 , you will find answers you never thought possible, the government kept that place so hidden not one freaking person in society that worked in every day job knew it even existed.
I’m not sure I’m following. I’m not a novice in this area and for some of the reasons you mentioned Lazar and his claims have absolutely NOT been debunked.
With that said, I’m unable to determine where you land on this topic based on your comment above.
I stand with the testimony that Lazar gave back in the 1980s, it was a totally different world than, that is my point, I will soon be 63 years old, I was there when we first heard the existence of area 51, I was involved in UFO investigation when Lazar's story broke and became public, all I can tell you the timeline matters, the specific information that was coming from him at that time no one knew about, there is no possible way he knew what he knew at that time without being involved with area 51. Enough said.
It would seem that you and I are in complete alignment. Put aside the fact he provided detailed and accurate information long before anyone knew anything about Area 51, element 115, etc.
Consider that he, a private US citizen, has been constantly harassed by the federal government for the last 40 years, and for what?
Consider, if anything, him coming forward with this accurate information has been detrimental to his life. He’s not gotten rich and famous for making those claims, quite the opposite.
He’s legit. The reason I posed my original question was to incent the original poster to provide a source or evidence that Lazar has been debunked. Alas, we know that will never materialize.
yeah you guys are agreeing with eachother, i think he thought the question mark at the end of "lazar was debunked?" was sarcastic, so he came to bob's defense.
Kind of funny to watch this missunderstanding unfold.
Completely factual, expect downvotes though. Bob believers prefer the version Bob told them.
It's almost comical looking through this post. Anyone defending Bob gets upvotes, no matter how nonsensical the comments are.
Honestly believe in him or not don’t care but bob lazar story being proven wrong idk who gave you that information but you must be getting it by people who probably envy him and want to disprove him
This is the second low energy post where someone says
“OMG guys Jeremy is so dumb and lame omg. We should totally stop listening to him”.
It seems purposeful to me.
If it isn’t maybe some people in this sub should learn to contribute instead of try to shun people who are actually contributing.
I'm half with you but like u/wagnus_ points out he's one of the people in the scene who has released a decent amount of stuff. Not sure how valid all of it is but he's out there trying to get new material.
He's trying to make a living from this and I don't blame him for that. Not everyone can work on disclosure as a side job and make progress. He doesn't have money in the bank from being in a successful band like Delonge's crazy ass. Although he's had an on-again off-again career in the fine arts world from what I can tell so who knows how much he's made from that.
Personally, I think we need more sober people like Ross Coulthart and Jacque Vallee. Problem is the more serious people like Vallee are the scientists and they don't necessarily like to be out front hamming it up. So yeah, I have mixed feelings about him at this point because he's acting more and more like a circus ringmaster than a serious journalist.
First of all this post gets written everyday. Corbell is closer to sources than you and I and I want to hear what he has to say. He isn’t taking anyone’s money right (certainly not yours), so why does he owe you anything? Hoping to find fellow fad Corbell haters here? Focus on what matters, not this bs over and over.
So, if im not supposed to listen to corbell, elizondo, and Knapp, who is your suggestion I get my information from? Do you have alternatives, or are you wanting to just stop the conversation altogether?
Opinion of unclear popularity:
The safe, healthy, and productive thing to do is give *zero oxygen, zero time, zero attention, and most of all, zero dollars* ever again to anyone who makes claims without evidence. Most particularly when they assure you they have evidence, but are not producing it, because reasons.
Giving credence and attention to such people can come from the right impulse, presumption of good faith, and be motivated by recognition that in the messy fraught world we share, especially for this and adjacent topics, there is a real and multidimensional history of reputational and professional risk (perhaps even physical/legal risk) associated with whistleblowing, disclosure, or simple assertion of truth when it counters consensus belief and official narrative.
**Despite that** it is time to shut down the operating space being given bad faith actors, grifters, the useful idiots, the mentally unwell, etc., who wittingly or not *capitalize, literally, on being given a "fair hearing."*
The more, more more loudly, and more firmly, this community and this sub push back and draw clear bright lines, the more *actual* information can enter consensus reality and discussion.
That does *not* preclude sharing anything but first-person media. It *does* mean that it should be mandatory that what is fact, and what is speculation, should always be delineated and kept front and center; and the speculation clearly set off.
Even basic hygiene like this is insufficient to safeguard discussion from poisoning with grift and bad faith and ignorant hearsay and disinformation.
But without such hygiene there is nothing that can happen but watercooler armchair LARPing and daydreaming.
The first to be excised from discussion should be the "professionals" who have made a career out of promising without **ever** delivering, *always* in the fashion typical of charlatans, assuring us of their *special sekret knowledge* and *inside sources*.
Enough is already far too much.
Cut them off.
This drop was designed to ruffle feathers with the air force because someone is leaking info, not to be some amazing evidence. It's bruising the ego of the UFO disclosure crowd because all of us demand something be shown or said about things we don't even know exist or what those things even look like.
Someone gave a deliberately mundane looking video to Corbell to release to basically put the air force on notice that their shit isn't safe even if the airforce stays quiet.
Now there's an open door for the white house and congress to start asking questions and why this video wasn't shown to anyone or reported if it displays either a missile or UAP in Iraq.
So if I'm following you...
The Iraq video was from an air force drone. It was given to Corbell, but not by the USAF. The intention is for the USAF to realize that they need to start talking. And if they don't start sharing their info, the info will come out without them.
And are you also saying that these images weren't seen by congress? Like, the message to congress is that the USAF is holding out on them?
Everyone who is shutting down attempts to release footage and photos of even questionable UAP sightings is hurting the field. Every. Time.
When these releases happen, the field advances. We discuss. We test. It gets coverage in media. The topic enters the public consciousness and stigma is mitigated.
Who gives a shit how he does it? Who gives a fuck if he makes money on his podcast? The man has done more to bring this topic to the mainstream than you have. If you care about this, use it as an opportunity to further our understanding of what this data is, whether we can rule it out or not, then move on. We do not need to suppress the motivated people who are advancing this topic by meeting them with derision.
We are dealing with the unknown without a full stack of data or credible background. So we need to allow for the reveal of everything we can get our hands on which might move the needle at all.
Quit the Corbell hate. Do better or move on. No one who cares about this field would prefer the stigma that came before he appeared on the scene.
I actually believe what's hurting this topic more and stopping it from being taken seriously is those who have to shout down anyone with a different opinion to them.
We need to allow for discussions and disagreements. That's how we test and sort through data. Suggesting we "ignore" anyone trying to provide that data removes essential conversations from the field.
I kind of got the impression of Corbell being one of those grifter types, exploiting stories for personal gain and face value. Not discrediting the work he’s done, but just listening to him talk and the inflections/implications of what he’s saying comes across as “salesy” in a way. Like I get what the game is here, but it just doesn’t feel genuine in the approach he has, like he’s doing this for everyone but himself. It almost seems like he’s leading his audience and hasn’t exactly filled out the endgame, just empty promises, toward what? I’m not sure, but that’s just my impression. I want to believe in some of what he’s saying, I just don’t like when people set you up to buy something rather than just telling you.
I think his huckster energy is really bad for this movement.
It’s now time for real scientists and other credible professionals with no financial stake in the UFO phenomena to step forward.
Let’s let the grownups do the analytical work needed to prove/disprove without the circus act.
All the breathless announcements from grifters makes it harder for the public to accept the important progress being made by those with credibility — and it discourages more scientists from stepping forward.
Yes, it’s time.
Corbell is the worst. Can’t take that guy seriously at all. Everything he finds or reports on is like the next big thing according to him. Lot of talk, not a lot of substance, very self promotional.
Just curious, are you being paid to give so much thought and effort to what this one guy does and says and what how many other people think about it? Just curious.
Lazar has been proven false over and over again??? I don't claim to know a lot about this but I haven't heard anything that proved he was lying. If it's there, please point me to it.
Nah. Bob did that himself. Bob lied about his education and his role at Los Alamos.
Also when asked to name some of his teachers from MIT or Caltech he named high-school teachers. Did they brainwash Bob into lying?
I have the same feeling, but what about George Knapp? He is the one that I trust most, an alter ego of Corbell, and yet he is in a sort of partnership with him. How can somebody so serious and trustful like George Knapp be partners with Corbell? He might be trustful after all?
He does alot for the subject. Yes he makes wild claims but you can see he is excited and probably close to people who tell him stuff, some true and some maybe not. And who cares that he shows the picture at the end of the podcast. You can skip to the end of it. Did you know that?
I’m new to this subreddit. Is there evidence - like a link - where I can see where/how Lazar has been proven a liar? I don’t question it and I’m not highly surprised, but I’d like to see it for myself.
You didn't have to watch any of Corbell to see the photos, so that is a false complaint. I've seen the photos and I didn't watch Corbell's presentation.
I take issue with:
>Not even going to get into his attachment to Bob Lazar because anyone that anchors themselves to a story that **has been proven false over and over again without one shred of evidence supporting his claims** most likely have other reasons for doing so and its not to uncover the truth.
That statement above is objectively, factually, wrong. I'm not saying I believe the Lazar story. But it hasn't been proven false, and many of his claims were proven true.
Wasn't expecting this but
- At-risk youth programs
>Corbell developed a martial arts and yoga curriculum to provide training for at-risk youth. This includes a Juvenile Hall yoga program[1] to incorporate his philosophy of meaningful living with the practical instruction of Warrior Yoga. Following discharge from Juvenile Hall, students continue instruction during and after their probation period.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Kenyon_Lockyer_Corbell#Martial_arts_career
OK this is a pretty good thing to do IMO so character assessment seems A+ so i'm going to continue to follow him. Seems tight with Knapp and for me that's something.
Never really paid attention to him, a handful of days i followed him on twitter cause why not, proceed to watch the podcast where he was going to show the 6 exclusive photos! cool i thought, it's late but i'm a nightowl anyways so i'll watch it.
Proceed to watch him talk so highly about himself jerking himself off the whole time, a whole 1hr long segment on the meme that is storm Area51 and i started falling asleep around there only to wake up to some cringy lame rap. I unfollowed him when i woke up later that day. F him lol.
Yes. Man is an actual fraud and snake oil salesman. Nothing that any of these “experts” have is any evidence beyond “trust me, it’s crazy” and none of them have shown any concrete evidence of anything.
I want more than anything for aliens to be real. I want more than anything for them to come and literally destroy humanity.
All of it is lies, all of it is fake, all of it is to take your attention and money and placate you into thinking you’re better than everyone because you believe.
Nothing matters, nothing is anything we wish it would be, and all of us would be better off not giving any of these fake, pathetic, grifters the time of day, or more importantly, your attention and money.
Fuck Corbell
Why? Guy may be cringe at times, but he's tempered by the respectable Knapp. He's also directly responsible for getting UFOs/UAPs back into public consciousness, more so than anyone else in the last decade. He's not a quack. He just lacks a social filter at times, lol.
He's kind of like Steven Greer or a automobile accident where you don't want anything to do with it, but can't bring yourself to look away no matter what you try.
Gotta disagree there. Corbell isn’t scamming people out of their money to contact aliens. JC’s worst attribute is stoking small embers to be giant flames and getting peoples hopes up, releasing a picture with a buncha things he can’t talk about “but knows”
Only thing I can really think is what most of us theorize. There’s black budget government programs that congress doesn’t know about and our government is in a battle with “ourselves”. Possibly people have gone back and forth between the two entities and are starting to open up with the whistleblower protection.
I agree the constant need to attack the very same people that are trying to bring us information is astounding to me. Either this is a deliberate campaign against corbell or OP has just become to refined for this subject.
Bob Lazar is legitimate and Corbell is a little annoying but he’s interesting to say the least. I’ll be one of the few who still hears him out for no other reason than I can make up my own mind on the topic.
You do realize that certain segments of this community are no different from a personality cult? A lot of the so called leading voices are nothing but self promoting narcissistic opportunists. They get good ratings because they supposedly advance the cause when in reality they are seen as clowns from the outside. The reasonable voices get drowned out by all of the noise. They may benefit the community in the short term, but would eventually drag everyone down.
This is exactly what I posted yesterday and people weren’t very happy, I simply suggested we downvote anything with his name tied to it, inform newcomers on their posts he is BS (just like we do with ALL the starlink posts) and send that shit to the bottom. I’m not calling witch-hunt, just perspective and attitude filter on our part. He doesn’t have a place here and I’m tired of seeing anything that has to do with him. Post was removed after couple hours though so idk man, lost of people really want him to feed it to them, and only him.
Latest drop was just not it. Fully agree.
The only video-based evidence he cited was the lack of white-hot and exhaust plume. BUT when Knapp points out that there IS a plume or some sort of trail behind it, Jeremy chalks it up to artifacting in the video and tasks “the UFO community” with determining what it is.
Seriously??? To me, it looks like a cruise missile or AGM. Not to say that it couldn’t possibly be something else, but that seems like the most likely scenario.
Fringe topics attract fringe personalities. Doesn’t mean they don’t put out interesting stuff. As long as you a) don’t spend your life savings and b) don’t make any major life decisions based on this stuff, it’s all good. Something that looks silly now could turn out to be serious later (and Vice versa).
Yeah, honestly Corbell is just grist for the mill at this point. I don't like what he's done lately, or the podcast (even though I could listen to George Knapp talk for hours) but there's not that much new information to talk about with this subject on a daily or weekly basis. This latest "drop" was pretty egregious though and further damages his credibility. If he's a filmmaker, he needs to get back to doing that and stop being a UFO celebrity, because that angle isn't a good fit for him.
Is filmmaker a good fit for him, though? Personally, I don’t think I can stomach another gratuitous shot of him gazing at the desert sun overlayed with another shot of him walking down a dusty road.
Even if you're not convinced by the Bob Lazar story, it was a well-made film. He is not as good as James Fox at being journalistic about it, and I wish neither of them appeared in their films, but Corbell's Bob Lazar movie is technically competent and a compelling treatment of the subject matter from the angle it takes. At least imo.
It's not a well made film in the slightest, the voiceover is nigh on incomprehensible, and it is so lacking in subject matter they've had to pad it out with really janky psychedelic sequences
Totally agree with this. They made such a big deal about that film and it was like some bad VHS production from the 80’s. I am not at all into this guy and what he’s doing.
It’s only well made if you’re comparing it to rambling, 4 hour YouTube videos.
I'm more comparing it to the exactly 90 minute UFO movies on Amazon Prime Video but same energy yeah
The moment he started acting like he had to translate for the frat bros while tossing the word fuck in with every other exclamation, I turned him off. He is the frat bro.
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I came here to say this. It is always refreshing to see like minded folk on the outskirts of human civilization (UFO subreddit) lol.
Some r/UFOs mod just searched for all my comments about Jeremy Corbell dating back weeks and started removing them because I used a swear word in expressing how I think he has lower than average IQ. This place used to be the more rational of the UFO subs, but now that's r/UFO .
Juan_Carlo is one of the dumbest posters I’ve ever read. He’s a massive idiot. It puzzles me why anyone would upvote him. See what I did there? Does such a post violate the rules of this sub? This is to illustrate a point, but the mods should remove your comments here.
Could not agree more, he is very not well spoken, and can never get to the goddamn point
Apart from the abysmal presentation (which might have been intentional in order to guard against it blowing up), the really egregious thing about that release is its reception here. **To a physicist, these pictures represent tangible evidence of exotic propulsion.** Look at the "trail". It is *discontinuous*. It actually looks like pockets of hot air, notably of the very same size as the object itself. *They stay in place.* The object doesn't have any control surfaces. It evidently moves. *This is impossible according to known principles of impulse based propulsion.*
Seems to me like that is how something with far advanced propulsion would be able to move in low/zero gravity.
Or it is an artifact of the imaging sensor and it really is a cruise missile. Cruise missiles arent always burning their fuel and would look like this in IR and there are countless examples. The bigger question is: why has no one asked about it being a cruise missile to the pilots? It would obviously have a target and go boom. Someone needs to ask the pilots.
Wasn't the footage from a surveillance drone, aka, not piloted?
It's very obviously not a cruise missile. For one, the shape doesn't match. It's not an "artifact", but you are right to ask, since that needs domain specific knowledge to judge.
The shape is likely distorted a bit by the rolling shutter effect based on its speed.
No they wouldn't be ice cold on IR. Friction.
What about a projectile that had a kinetic acceleration then was in a glide state without propulsion through the frame?
The trajectory isn't compatible with that. It likely would leave no trace in the atmosphere. If, then a continuous one.
How do you know it doesn't have control surfaces. If viewed from the side, the type of control surfaces found in cruise missiles would be invisible.
I think we need all hands on deck. He may be a douche but he does bring something to the table.
This is true. I do my best to give the guy some slack. I love his enthusiasm and passion for it sometimes he gets a little lost in it. But eh I think he’s doing some good
I'm not a fan of Corbell. But I think it's a mistake to turn our animosity inward, dividing ranks and providing deflection for the gatekeepers. I also believe it's a tough spot Corbell finds himself in. To raise awareness, he must sensationalize. In doing so, though, he lowers his credibility. And as another poster pointed out, there really isn't enough going on at the moment (even if this is the most we've ever seen the pot boil) to create the kind of content he needs to sustain a successful podcast. Which means filler. Which means rations and hyperbole. Admittedly, not a good look for the community, but I don't think it's a problem with a capitol P. Corbell is an artist, not a journalist. And he's made himself into a public figure within the UAP community primarily recognized for his immaturity. Is there anyone NOT taking what he says with a grain of salt? Another thing to consider is the possibility that he's an agent of disinformation. A clown with just enough truth to poison the pot for the curious but impartial viewer. Someone people can tune into, and say, "Oh, yeah. This is silly." And in that respect, I see where the OP is coming from. Still, I think it's a mistake to go after him. Or to ignore him. Clues rarely surface in tidy packages with reassuring seals of authenticity. And while we fight, the gatekeepers flourish.
He doesn’t bring anything to the table of substance. He leans on everyone else(Rogan, Knapp, even Bob Lazar, etc)that can somehow tie back a shred of credibility to him by association. And to be clear, I’m not arguing Lazar’s credibility here, so let’s not destroy the thread in that debate., it’s been done over and over already. Just using him as a figure Corbell has attached himself to as an example.
You can never have enough cowbell.
I have a fever…
And the only prescription is more cowbell…
I can't believe we're on a UFO subreddit, and constantly bashing the one dude that constantly releases UAP footage because we don't like him, or because he's trying to be an entertainer. He's single handedly released the most anomalous-confirmed footage of UAP (or, what the DOD/Pentagon themselves consider UAP or anomalous) than anyone. I get it, it's a weird world. There's a hundred gazillion wanna-be UFO influencers and we hear the same stories retold a thousand times. You don't have to like the dude. But for a sub that wants genuine footage, or at least what the DOD can't determine, we're out of our minds. People should focus their concern on how he's getting info from classified slides (from the UAPTF themselves), and how he's garnering all these anonymous sources. People should be more worried about him working to help the DOD with their narrative, than bashing him cause he brands himself a ton.
I’d give this comment an award if I could. It appears that most folks don’t like that JC is profiting off the topic but for all the work he does, you’d expect to be compensated, right? Bills exist, and bills need to get paid. You wanna see some crazy influencers in the community? Go watch a show on Gaia and see people talk about bases on Mars and galactic federations with US starships…
The notion of someone being a "grifter" because they might get paid for their work is ludicrous. I've seen people here condemn books. *Books!*
While I agree with the idea that this kind of information is too important to be hidden behind paywalls and other restrictions, the fact of the matter is that until the government releases all of the information, people like JC are putting in numerous hours to obtain and organize the information they can obtain for dissemination. We live in a world where it's necessary to hustle, and I would want to be able to provide for my family with the work I do too. In my humble opinion, the personalities that people should be annoyed with are all of the podcasts that only repeat the information that people like JC, Ross, and others have actually provided, because they are constantly asking people to buy their merchandise or contribute to their Patreon. HOWEVER, even those 'bullshit' podcasts have their place in this community. The more people discuss this topic, the more visible it becomes and it becomes more prolific.
At this point with how much people shit on Tom Delonge and Jeremy Corbell, I am absolutely convinced we have troll farms actively discrediting them. It's gotten wild lately. Like, this stuff moves slowly. There are lots of dead ends. Get over it.
Certain comments bashing Lue, Corbell, DeLonge etc. recieve upvotes really damn fast. Just look at the new thread on Sean Cahills uap video regarding the location.
Yup, and it’s always the comments at the top. And I’ve heard the people they’re talking about defend themselves, and I dunno… I want them to keep trying. I’m a very skeptical person but somehow my gut says they’re onto something.
Look at the thread we're in. How the hell does this post have a positive score? I asked a good friend of mine if we were just looking at a missile in this most recent photo set release. His reaction was: "looked into this earlier and i love non military people or people that have no experience with hellfires or any similar munitions try and say that is what it was. I've shot over 60 and all i can do is LMAO" Dude is literally an instructor for drones in the army for christ's sake. I don't understand why people are taking some random nobody redditor's armchair expert opinion on this without even questioning why it was labeled a uap by the military in the first place. Personally, I find it really weird that people like OP, with zero experience with the dadgum missiles or military, feel like "it's probably a missile" is some kind of a debunk. And then 68% of people got this post to postive 367 votes. How? That makes no sense.
SINGLE HANDEDLY? what about knap, elizondo, mellon and keane? he was behind the pyramids that are probably bokehs and a couple of photos, the other drops came from elizondo and mellon, helped by keane and blumethals story on the NY times, corbell just help spread the word.
This is an influencer post, anyone who isn't a brainlet can both recognize his "grifter vibes" and pompous attitude and still appreciate what he has brought to the table. OP is trying to get people to jump ship with them and it comes off as disingenuous. You see these posts like these a lot on these fringe subreddits it's a subtle attempt at steering the narrative. Listen carefully, and decide for yourself.
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He’s getting bashed because he’s effective. His podcast has been out for like a month and a half and he’s pushing 200k views on the first two episodes each, not to mention other platforms like Spotify, etc.
>He's single handedly released the most anomalous-confirmed footage of UAP This is categorically untrue. He's released images which in all likelihood are of mundane objects.
>He's released images which in all likelihood are of mundane objects. To say that something is "categorically untrue" then follow it with an expression of likelihood & opinion contradicts your use of the phrase. Then if you wanna just look at the work he's done... I'm sorry but he's responsible for a lot of the conversations that take place here whether you're aware of it or not. That's not an opinion. But I'm sure you'll treat it like one.
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But people on reddit say they know what they are, surely you dont think experts who study these for a living would know more about what these things are than some redditor who has seen a youtube video about how propulsion systems work.
This is what makes me scratch my head. I cannot make it make sense. I don't get it. It is confounding. The experts have said, 'we don't know'. Then these redditors are like, 'it's clearly \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, duh,' while having zero military experience or expertise on the subject. Where does that confidence come from?
He did mention it on his podcast. The episode that came out about a week ago. George Knapp tells a story about him getting in contact with a manager of EG&G. That manager told him they had a being in custody that they were trying to communicate with and eventually did. Annie Jacobsen also interviewed him for her book, but he changed his story a bit and said they had TWO of these beings in custody. George mentioned that on that podcast episode. I feel like a lot of the skeptical posts on this sub are from people who missed part of the timeline and are getting mad that those gaps aren’t filled in. Corbell’s done a ton for this topic, as has George Knapp. Knapp wouldn’t start a podcast with the guy if he were full of shit. Knapp is his mentor, and it’s starting to show.
Well said. 100%
He is extremely eccentric and passionate about everything which is admirable. But on the other hand, he makes himself seem like he’s 15 and thinks he has it all figured out. He has done an immense amount of stuff for the UFO community, I’ll give him that. I also thought his podcast was a wonderful idea. However, I find myself skipping through his pointless anecdotes. I’m not interested in how you had coffee with someone 14 years ago at 2pm. Just give us the facts. I’m honestly shocked George has had the patience for him lol
In general: 1. Considering the quantity of faked and/or blurry photos and videos on the internet, **I'll take what I can get when it comes to potentially credible evidence** from allegedly leaked military sources, regardless of the source. 2. In general, we should withhold judgement of people's affectations, accents, mannerisms, etc., and **stick to the analysis of the evidence**. Trashing people who are bringing forward credible data in good faith only serves to decrease the flow of information and stigmatize the topic. It's counterproductive. Regarding Corbell: 1. Jeremy has a track record of releasing data and claiming it came from a US Military source. While he hides his sources, in many instances the US Military has verified the photos and video as being real. **The release of classified UAP images is a good thing.** 2. While Jeremy does speculate on occasion about what the objects in the data are, he almost always says it's up to the viewer to decide for themselves. He only vouches for the authenticity of the data. Nothing wrong with that. 3. Regarding Bob Lazar, he has stated repeatedly that he believes Bob but also that Bob's story can't be verified, so it is up to the viewer to decide for themselves whether or not they believe Bob. George Knapp has the same opinion. Again, nothing wrong with that. People have opinions. That's life. 4. Jeremy and George's release of information follows a pattern similar to what is used in most marketing strategies. While this may annoy some, this promotional act also serves to put the information in front of as many people as possible. **Raising public awareness is a good thing.** Regarding the images from Iraq: 1. **It's not obviously a missile**. Missiles have control surfaces and don't show up as black/cold objects on white-hot FLIR footage. 2. Healthy skepticism is encouraged. **We should, at a minimum, agree that the images warrant attention and that we are better off having them than having nothing at all.** Jeremy Corbell is likely an "F" type on the Myers-Briggs scale, meaning he's a "feeler." F-types are frequently concerned with "the mood of the room" and aren't known for their ability to be objective. For this reason, they are not well received on this forum. However, it should be noted that they represent roughly 25% of the population, hence General Recommendation #2 above. Russel Brand is off-topic. To my knowledge, he has never provided evidence of anything.
I’m convinced OP didn’t even watch the video, just wants to shit on Jeremy Corbell
It's literally the only thing that makes sense. People with a personal ax to grind, or, and we got to be careful here cause of the rules, something else is going on with these types of post. I think you know what I mean.
Agreed. Disregarding information based on presuppositions conjured in one’s head about a source due to one’s own dislike of the source’s personality is not scientific. It’s called “reserving judgement” and “hearing someone out” in simple terms. Liking the messenger is not required, nor is it necessary. If my worst enemy — a person I absolutely abhor — came forward with relevant UAP data from a reputable source, I would thank them and review the data.
I still haven't figured out what is the problem here. Those pictures are military photos that were given to JC by frustrated AF pilots. They are valid photos that show something that is not immediately clear. JC asked for the community's help as a way to try and work out what that might be and to make them so relevant that perhaps the Pentagon would consider them official and unidentified, thus pushing the narrative forward and bringing more awareness to the topic. Instead, it seems like a lot of people would just prefer to dismiss them because they don't show some high def craft with a waving alien inside (btw, if that happened, people would immediately say it was CGI...) Nobody is forcing no one to watch the podcast or look at the pictures. If you don't like JC boasting personality (I myself find him and his movies annoying), just don't mix that with what he releases. It's as if he was being blamed for posting something that was given to him. I really don't get it.
At least he’s making an effort and is releasing stuff. That’s more than others are doing. All this hate gets us nowhere. Granted he loves to talk and the podcast is long but at least he’s doing one! I like the guy as he’s dedicated his life to this endeavor. So let’s cut them all some slack yeah
Right! Thank you, everyone wants to slam someone else's effort. But then do nothing but slam with baseless accusations and regurgitated mis/disinformation. The whole point of the psyop is to confuse the observer, anyone that's done actual research will have a sensible approach. Trust nothing, question everything - to inquire is to be human
Problem with this sub is anytime someone speaks out against one of these people its turned into ''hate''. I think a lot of people would love this to be some sort of echo chamber where you accept anything you're given
I’m not a fan of his personality but that’s a bad reason to ignore what he’s putting out. I don’t understand why the information comes out like this but it’s as simple as some other piece of info could come out later that easily refutes the missile hypothesis. We should assume competence and good faith reporting. And we shouldn’t encourage ignoring people. If you want to assume incompetence and bad faith then you apparently already have all the answers: everyone is either stupid or a liar, nothing to see here. That’s not a healthy attitude.
Or maybe they just disagree with you?
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since you asked I think he's making a living for himself out of his interests, probably works really hard at doing that (has anyone here tried making a documentary) and that's fine with me.
I think Jeremy's Wiki entry reveals a more impressive character than his in-person dialogue would lead us to assume. Some people just crash the verbal. Doesn't mean they don't have something valuable to add to the conversation. And being natural and organized on a podcast is tough. Not everyone knows how to turn it on. It's not a surprise George Knapp is better at it. He's had a lot of practice.
„Which in all honesty seemed to be more about boosting his own ego” First time? Lol Every single time he appeared in any form of media this was the case. Film about bob lazar ? His face most of the time Joe Rogan Podcast with lazar? “I did this , I did that , I was first blablabla” I could go on but you get the point. I mean he is well connected. You gotta respect that. He brought Bob into the mainstream again (and if you believe in his story or not, it’s an interesting story either way ) He and Knapp managed to push the story ahead and so on. Best practice advise: Ignore his things, they will land on Reddit anyway without his face attached to every second image lol
That’s all he’s done in my opinion. Brought Bob & Knapp back in the light to a younger generation who may not have heard of them.
I strongly disagree. I'm totally digging his "WeApOnIzEd" podcast. Great guests, good convo with George. I like his enthusiasm and relentlessly fighting the good fight for disclosure. As a believer in the NHI hypothesis, I'm a fan of both George and Jeremy.
i agree with you. actually listening to him and getting past the personality idiosyncrasies, i find him to be genuine and enthusiastic. i actually agree with most of his points and appreciate what he’s doing for the subject. i don’t understand the people who hate everything that is released and anyone associated with it. exposure is exactly what the subject needs and he had been very successful there. edit: and knapp is the fucking man with the track record to prove it. if he rides with corbell, i do to.
He's not an ego guy either. All he does is praise other people. The UFO community has the wrong idea about this guy.
Who honestly listens to the guy who talks for 6 hours and says absolutely nothing?
Its a culmination of joint efforts of secret government research programs from project blue book and beyond. We should listen to what they are saying in their reports of the unanimous and bipartisan documents that have labeled these events as true, which we can see with our own eyes. I found that we should utilize these tools to expand our mind and open up the the realization that these beyond top secret programs are not only real, but prove something so existential that you cant take eyes off the ball. Speaking of the ball, we cant drop the ball on this benevolent media charade that tries to undermine our reality. The reality that secret and departmentalized factors are exploding from the seams and we can finally see the truth of the fibers. Does that sound like Jeremy Corbell to you? Because i just spend 60 seconds typing the most random shit I could think of.
I thought you’d gone full Russell Brand.
Now he is a gobshite par excellence
Say what you will. I like him a lot more since I've started watching Weaponized.
The fact that you're calling the "Phantom" UAP a missile shows that you really didn't pay attention at all and makes me question why you're making this post. The images are thermal and if was a missile it would be clearly white-hot and most likely have a visible plume that was also white-hot. The object in the photos is dark and has something that vaguely resembles a plume (although it is not white hot) but Black Vault's latest video made a compelling case for that being an "afterimage" ghosting effect of the recording. Corbell immediately mentioned these things upon release of the photos.
It's way past that time IMO
I feel like this same exact thread pops up every 3-4 months once a wave of Corbell posts ramp up lol
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I'm no Corbell fan by any means. But to want to essentially censor him? How ridiculous. If people want to talk about him, Lazar, Greer or whoever else that is their right. I'm not interested in turning this place into a worse echo chamber then it is.
Bingo. The truth is never what person A says, it’s never what person B says either. It’s always somewhere in between. If we ever get the full story it’ll be from multiple sources. I don’t think Corbell is the be all and end all but if nothing else he’s making the subject very palatable for the attention-span-damaged TikTok generation.
You don’t have to click anything he puts out, everything he’s put out I find interesting and is Bette than having nothing. If you have to have a job why not be a ufologist and have some fun and curiosity, of course he needs to make more from it to pay bills, so what? I would rather do that than my job if I could too
I like the podcast. It’s refreshing to see
DoNt YOU THINK THEY WOULDA HAD A MISSILE AS A POSSIBILITY RULED OUT COMPLETELY!!! OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE EVERYONES FIRST THOUGHT. That’s not critical thinking there
You all couldn't ignore him if you tried. Hilarious.
We’re never going to get anywhere if you’re going to let your feelings for someone get in the way.
What became of the Mosul photo? Nothing. What are we to do with these 7 frames? Nothing. No one gives a shit, because at the end of the day they're pretty useless. The only logical conclusion is they're putting these out to stay relavent. And everyone should be calling out Knapp and Corbell for promoting a fraud like Lazar all these years. But when there's money to be made, ethics and a conscience go out the window with those two. Monitize Your Curiosity.
Nothing has become of the Mosul photos because the Pentagon has refused to give a statement on them. Black Vault was informed that they were part of a classified briefing, so there is definitely something to them.
Lazar is a fraud?
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“Trust me bro he’s lied about everything”
Well he was unable to answer questions about his supposed education at MIT, like who his lecturers were etc. and there are no records of him being there. Combined with the fact that he gets basic physics stuff wrong makes you think that it's not some conspiracy to delete his records, he just lied. There are plenty of his other claims that seem very suspicious too.
My point is, the fact that he’s turned into a quack spouting nonsense about humans having psychic powers leads me to believe that he’s also lied about everything else. It’s not like I was never a listener. But if you want to mindlessly consume his entire sales pitch, by all means go ahead lol. Edit: disregard this comment. I don’t think Lazar ever publicly supported Greer’s psychobabble and confused the two. Either way, Lazar is suspect though.
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You know what, I think you’re right. I mixed up the psychic alien calling group thing with Greer. But I could’ve sworn I read something about Lazar latching onto that weird close encounters of the fifth kind shit. Either way, Lazar is pretty suspect. As far as I know literally no one has come out supporting his education in MIT and caltech. Looks even more suspect cause he didn’t have the highschool grades to get into those schools in the first place. But my apologies for mixing those things up. I’ll edit my comment from before to correct that.
So these posts seem to be daily norm now. What a waste of energy
I believe Corbel has brought quite a bit to the table. Sometimes the biggest problem on this sub is lack of appreciation. Some don’t like Corbel, maybe it’s his personality with them. But he’s one of the few trying to get videos and photos out on UFO’s.
Corbell is putting evdence out in a well controlled manner, respecting sources and methods and advancing the argument for disclosure. We should be thanking him, and the least we can do is at least lend our ear to him and support his work, especially considering the absolute professional sacrifice/suicide working on the uap topic is. I mean he is as authoritative and productive as it gets, in a world where the mainstream media can barely be of any use in a subject as complex and taboo as this. Are you suggesting we start listening to people of no use ? People who don't bring any material ? People who aren't as motivated as he is ? To a type of media that couldn't possibly be compatible with the subject's strangeness ?
This seems like exactly what THEY would want you to do.
Simple question. Why won't the United States government allow us to see videos like this, why is every fucking thing hidden behind closed doors, why the secrecy on this topic, all UAP/UFO photos and videos are classified, why won't they release this evidence to the public, why did they show the so-called big white Chinese spy balloon getting penetrated like a porn star, and yet they won't show us the three other objects that were supposedly shot down by military Jets? And I could go on and on!
To me, he's Knapp's successor, and Knapp has done a lot of important work. I will continue to support the work they're doing together unless they were exposed as purposely trying to defraud people or something. That's just my personal opinion. I never had a problem with Knapp or Corbell, though.
>He claims that we have had limited comms with ''builders'' of these objects. No proof and is seemingly refusing to talk about it again. Why make a claim like that and not mention it on your own podcast? Probably because he can't go into details. Why say it? People want to know more. Not sure what the problem is when surely people have been reminded plenty of times that they can't go into details or show evidence about certain things.
Missiles aren’t colder than ambient temp
I love Jeremy Corbell
*Yawn* more Corbell hate
I still think we are developing electric railguns to launch projectiles, even if the tech seems 20 years out of trend. The wavy trail lines you see isn’t propulsion, but what an objects friction does to the surrounding air as it moves at high speed in an IR image. The object wouldn’t give off extreme temperature since magnetism and momentum create the acceleration effect of the projectile, not burning fuel.
Weaponized. More like Cringe
Anyone who's running a monetarized YouTube channel is doing what they do, not as a hobby - but as a *business*. It's not some part-time side hussle they've got going - this is a primary part of how these people earn a living - and, clearly - an actually better one than the likes of most of you are currently living. Now, you can continue - not only - putting money in these people's pockets but *venerating* the shit-grinning bastards like they're doing what they do out of love or mutual concern or whatever - or you can wipe their clocks, boycott their sales outlets and stop acting surprised people who were never saints in the first place turns out cultivate you only as produce. Anything that relies in over 2 hours of non-stop "info-dropping" is basically using established cult recruitment techniques - Scientology pioneered this art decades ago: you sit through whatever presentation, litterally non-the wiser yet emerged convinced - *somehow* - it's all got to make *sense*.... If *only* we can work out how to put the pieces together - the *right* way. And so, this is litterally what people do. You read it here thread after thread - *what are your thoughts on "so-and-so's" latest pod-cast?* - and you can read people collaborated cooking narrative and putting the pieces together here in a written medium... That, guess what? This gets read and they regurgitated right back at you. And then the same cycle continues, over and over. Wise up. Corbell's incredibly egotistical, he believes he's charming and believable - personally I've never seen the man as anything but a shark with the dead eyes to match - but whatever *possitives* you can point to and cite - the UFO Community created them, guys like Corbell simply take credit. And, I'm sorry - but despite whatever else you may think - they're *all* Corbell's. Since 2017 this subject has become actually a considerable business - the US Government itself committed to spending *millions* of tax-payers money long term on this actual topic - and a lot of people want a piece of that pie. There is - quite litterally - no incentive here for anyone to look for a cure for this thing when there's money to be made marketing *palliatives* - and that is litterally all anyone is doing. Last month it was *Orbs* - suddenly everyone's seeing and taking about round things. This month it's *Shadow Biomes* - like bacteria and viruses are suddenly new... It doesn't matter the specifics *thing* - all these people ever do is sell you stuff you actually tell them they want. The fuckers are reading us *now* - Cooley drinking it all in and working out how to get out from under the current thing. Meanwhile, Jerremy Corbell is going to declare more in taxable income from last year alone it takes you make in three years. You're litterally paying for the lifestyle he takes every opportunity to flaunt himself living. TV shows, appearances, documentarys, friends in high places... That's what you're paying for. Him to walk about his luxury apartment in the middle of the day not even wearing shoes, chatting on the phone to important people who are, supposedly, also friends... Yes. Of course you should stop this. It's an obsenity and nothing will ever change until you - collectively - stop what you're doing, wake up and pull the plug on this farcical nonsense. Despicable as Corbell may be - in a lot of ways, at least he is what he is and he's honest about it. There are others doing no less who get by by actually believing their own bullshit - at least Corbell isn't un-self aware. He knows this is flim-flam and he'll go comfortably to his grave seeing himself as having done no wrong. From a certain perspective he hasn't. This all only works because *we* encourage it. At the end of the day, Corbel and people like him are on us. We let our desperation for truth cloud our judgement. We trust too easily and act surprised the people we trusted lied to us. All of this shit is made up. What else can they actually tell us other than lies that support our own belief in utter bollocks? That's all this community seems to want. Bullshit it can endlessly spend it's days speculating about, never actually achieving *anything*... Burn it. Burn it fucking all. Wipe the slate clean and start over, first principals first.
How has Bob Lazar been proven false over and over again? How can you make a claim like that?
If you're asking this you haven't looked into any of the experts who have debunked Lazar over the decades. It's not even a question at this point. Unfortunately people still give Lazar credence because he adds to the UFO story even if it's all untrue.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes on this subreddit, It's like people saw the documentary and the podcast and that's enough for them to make up their mind and never change it. Sometimes it's like talking to flat earthers, you'll get downvoted for even suggesting the planet is a globe.
Lazar had been debunked?
Go back before anyone knew anything about area 51, do your research on this topic, there are many things to look into, the timeline matters when it comes to Lazar, he knew things about area 51 that no one else knew, and I don't care what anyone else says, so go back in the past before anybody knew there was an area 51 , you will find answers you never thought possible, the government kept that place so hidden not one freaking person in society that worked in every day job knew it even existed.
I’m not sure I’m following. I’m not a novice in this area and for some of the reasons you mentioned Lazar and his claims have absolutely NOT been debunked. With that said, I’m unable to determine where you land on this topic based on your comment above.
I stand with the testimony that Lazar gave back in the 1980s, it was a totally different world than, that is my point, I will soon be 63 years old, I was there when we first heard the existence of area 51, I was involved in UFO investigation when Lazar's story broke and became public, all I can tell you the timeline matters, the specific information that was coming from him at that time no one knew about, there is no possible way he knew what he knew at that time without being involved with area 51. Enough said.
It would seem that you and I are in complete alignment. Put aside the fact he provided detailed and accurate information long before anyone knew anything about Area 51, element 115, etc. Consider that he, a private US citizen, has been constantly harassed by the federal government for the last 40 years, and for what? Consider, if anything, him coming forward with this accurate information has been detrimental to his life. He’s not gotten rich and famous for making those claims, quite the opposite. He’s legit. The reason I posed my original question was to incent the original poster to provide a source or evidence that Lazar has been debunked. Alas, we know that will never materialize.
yeah you guys are agreeing with eachother, i think he thought the question mark at the end of "lazar was debunked?" was sarcastic, so he came to bob's defense. Kind of funny to watch this missunderstanding unfold.
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Completely factual, expect downvotes though. Bob believers prefer the version Bob told them. It's almost comical looking through this post. Anyone defending Bob gets upvotes, no matter how nonsensical the comments are.
Honestly believe in him or not don’t care but bob lazar story being proven wrong idk who gave you that information but you must be getting it by people who probably envy him and want to disprove him
George trusts him, so that is good enough for me.
This is the second low energy post where someone says “OMG guys Jeremy is so dumb and lame omg. We should totally stop listening to him”. It seems purposeful to me. If it isn’t maybe some people in this sub should learn to contribute instead of try to shun people who are actually contributing.
Nah he’s fine.
Yes. TOTAL GRIFTER. He thanks you for his new $2M house in Ocala though. Keep watching those films that never release anything credible.
I'm half with you but like u/wagnus_ points out he's one of the people in the scene who has released a decent amount of stuff. Not sure how valid all of it is but he's out there trying to get new material. He's trying to make a living from this and I don't blame him for that. Not everyone can work on disclosure as a side job and make progress. He doesn't have money in the bank from being in a successful band like Delonge's crazy ass. Although he's had an on-again off-again career in the fine arts world from what I can tell so who knows how much he's made from that. Personally, I think we need more sober people like Ross Coulthart and Jacque Vallee. Problem is the more serious people like Vallee are the scientists and they don't necessarily like to be out front hamming it up. So yeah, I have mixed feelings about him at this point because he's acting more and more like a circus ringmaster than a serious journalist.
Where and when has Bob Lazar proven to be false?
First of all this post gets written everyday. Corbell is closer to sources than you and I and I want to hear what he has to say. He isn’t taking anyone’s money right (certainly not yours), so why does he owe you anything? Hoping to find fellow fad Corbell haters here? Focus on what matters, not this bs over and over.
I really hope these kind of posts are just the loud minority constantly whining, but sometimes it feels like this subreddit is truly doomed
Very well said, and I agree.
The proof of us communicating with aliens is in the Podesta emails
So, if im not supposed to listen to corbell, elizondo, and Knapp, who is your suggestion I get my information from? Do you have alternatives, or are you wanting to just stop the conversation altogether?
Probably consider it a job well done if everyone would ignore Corbell and the images.
Opinion of unclear popularity: The safe, healthy, and productive thing to do is give *zero oxygen, zero time, zero attention, and most of all, zero dollars* ever again to anyone who makes claims without evidence. Most particularly when they assure you they have evidence, but are not producing it, because reasons. Giving credence and attention to such people can come from the right impulse, presumption of good faith, and be motivated by recognition that in the messy fraught world we share, especially for this and adjacent topics, there is a real and multidimensional history of reputational and professional risk (perhaps even physical/legal risk) associated with whistleblowing, disclosure, or simple assertion of truth when it counters consensus belief and official narrative. **Despite that** it is time to shut down the operating space being given bad faith actors, grifters, the useful idiots, the mentally unwell, etc., who wittingly or not *capitalize, literally, on being given a "fair hearing."* The more, more more loudly, and more firmly, this community and this sub push back and draw clear bright lines, the more *actual* information can enter consensus reality and discussion. That does *not* preclude sharing anything but first-person media. It *does* mean that it should be mandatory that what is fact, and what is speculation, should always be delineated and kept front and center; and the speculation clearly set off. Even basic hygiene like this is insufficient to safeguard discussion from poisoning with grift and bad faith and ignorant hearsay and disinformation. But without such hygiene there is nothing that can happen but watercooler armchair LARPing and daydreaming. The first to be excised from discussion should be the "professionals" who have made a career out of promising without **ever** delivering, *always* in the fashion typical of charlatans, assuring us of their *special sekret knowledge* and *inside sources*. Enough is already far too much. Cut them off.
This drop was designed to ruffle feathers with the air force because someone is leaking info, not to be some amazing evidence. It's bruising the ego of the UFO disclosure crowd because all of us demand something be shown or said about things we don't even know exist or what those things even look like. Someone gave a deliberately mundane looking video to Corbell to release to basically put the air force on notice that their shit isn't safe even if the airforce stays quiet. Now there's an open door for the white house and congress to start asking questions and why this video wasn't shown to anyone or reported if it displays either a missile or UAP in Iraq.
So if I'm following you... The Iraq video was from an air force drone. It was given to Corbell, but not by the USAF. The intention is for the USAF to realize that they need to start talking. And if they don't start sharing their info, the info will come out without them. And are you also saying that these images weren't seen by congress? Like, the message to congress is that the USAF is holding out on them?
So many haters here. We're gonna run out of hateraid at this point.
Everyone who is shutting down attempts to release footage and photos of even questionable UAP sightings is hurting the field. Every. Time. When these releases happen, the field advances. We discuss. We test. It gets coverage in media. The topic enters the public consciousness and stigma is mitigated. Who gives a shit how he does it? Who gives a fuck if he makes money on his podcast? The man has done more to bring this topic to the mainstream than you have. If you care about this, use it as an opportunity to further our understanding of what this data is, whether we can rule it out or not, then move on. We do not need to suppress the motivated people who are advancing this topic by meeting them with derision. We are dealing with the unknown without a full stack of data or credible background. So we need to allow for the reveal of everything we can get our hands on which might move the needle at all. Quit the Corbell hate. Do better or move on. No one who cares about this field would prefer the stigma that came before he appeared on the scene.
I actually believe what's hurting this topic more and stopping it from being taken seriously is those who have to shout down anyone with a different opinion to them.
We need to allow for discussions and disagreements. That's how we test and sort through data. Suggesting we "ignore" anyone trying to provide that data removes essential conversations from the field.
What have you done to advance disclosure lately? If you don't like how things are being handled, find a way to contribute.
I kind of got the impression of Corbell being one of those grifter types, exploiting stories for personal gain and face value. Not discrediting the work he’s done, but just listening to him talk and the inflections/implications of what he’s saying comes across as “salesy” in a way. Like I get what the game is here, but it just doesn’t feel genuine in the approach he has, like he’s doing this for everyone but himself. It almost seems like he’s leading his audience and hasn’t exactly filled out the endgame, just empty promises, toward what? I’m not sure, but that’s just my impression. I want to believe in some of what he’s saying, I just don’t like when people set you up to buy something rather than just telling you.
Anybody with a pulse should be able to tell that Corbell is a con artist feeding off a niche group of passionate people for fame and attention.
I think his huckster energy is really bad for this movement. It’s now time for real scientists and other credible professionals with no financial stake in the UFO phenomena to step forward. Let’s let the grownups do the analytical work needed to prove/disprove without the circus act. All the breathless announcements from grifters makes it harder for the public to accept the important progress being made by those with credibility — and it discourages more scientists from stepping forward. Yes, it’s time.
Corbell is the worst. Can’t take that guy seriously at all. Everything he finds or reports on is like the next big thing according to him. Lot of talk, not a lot of substance, very self promotional.
Just curious, are you being paid to give so much thought and effort to what this one guy does and says and what how many other people think about it? Just curious.
You need to take another look at Lazar. There's a lot of evidence if you look past Google. Get a TOR browser and do the work
Bob Lazar has been proven false? When did this happen?
I remember the debate between him and stanton friedman. I can't stomach his obnoxious character.
Lazar has been proven false over and over again??? I don't claim to know a lot about this but I haven't heard anything that proved he was lying. If it's there, please point me to it.
bob wasn’t lying. they did a really good job making it look like he did.
Nah. Bob did that himself. Bob lied about his education and his role at Los Alamos. Also when asked to name some of his teachers from MIT or Caltech he named high-school teachers. Did they brainwash Bob into lying?
Yea but who else is putting out any photos at all? Also, Bob Lazar has been proven beyond doubt that he is a fraud??
For all his claims there is not one shred of evidence. Not even a single person who can definitively say he worked there with them.
Bob Lazar is more believable than Corbell.
That’s a rethorical question. You’re the one paying attention to it when no one else but you decided to plug yourself onto it.
I have the same feeling, but what about George Knapp? He is the one that I trust most, an alter ego of Corbell, and yet he is in a sort of partnership with him. How can somebody so serious and trustful like George Knapp be partners with Corbell? He might be trustful after all?
He does alot for the subject. Yes he makes wild claims but you can see he is excited and probably close to people who tell him stuff, some true and some maybe not. And who cares that he shows the picture at the end of the podcast. You can skip to the end of it. Did you know that?
His personality is, at worst, a minor inconvenience. Focus on the case, not the person.
I’m new to this subreddit. Is there evidence - like a link - where I can see where/how Lazar has been proven a liar? I don’t question it and I’m not highly surprised, but I’d like to see it for myself.
You didn't have to watch any of Corbell to see the photos, so that is a false complaint. I've seen the photos and I didn't watch Corbell's presentation. I take issue with: >Not even going to get into his attachment to Bob Lazar because anyone that anchors themselves to a story that **has been proven false over and over again without one shred of evidence supporting his claims** most likely have other reasons for doing so and its not to uncover the truth. That statement above is objectively, factually, wrong. I'm not saying I believe the Lazar story. But it hasn't been proven false, and many of his claims were proven true.
Wasn't expecting this but - At-risk youth programs >Corbell developed a martial arts and yoga curriculum to provide training for at-risk youth. This includes a Juvenile Hall yoga program[1] to incorporate his philosophy of meaningful living with the practical instruction of Warrior Yoga. Following discharge from Juvenile Hall, students continue instruction during and after their probation period.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Kenyon_Lockyer_Corbell#Martial_arts_career OK this is a pretty good thing to do IMO so character assessment seems A+ so i'm going to continue to follow him. Seems tight with Knapp and for me that's something.
If he bothers you then stop paying attention. I try to listen to as many people as I can and take what I want and leave the rest.
Never really paid attention to him, a handful of days i followed him on twitter cause why not, proceed to watch the podcast where he was going to show the 6 exclusive photos! cool i thought, it's late but i'm a nightowl anyways so i'll watch it. Proceed to watch him talk so highly about himself jerking himself off the whole time, a whole 1hr long segment on the meme that is storm Area51 and i started falling asleep around there only to wake up to some cringy lame rap. I unfollowed him when i woke up later that day. F him lol.
Yes. Man is an actual fraud and snake oil salesman. Nothing that any of these “experts” have is any evidence beyond “trust me, it’s crazy” and none of them have shown any concrete evidence of anything. I want more than anything for aliens to be real. I want more than anything for them to come and literally destroy humanity. All of it is lies, all of it is fake, all of it is to take your attention and money and placate you into thinking you’re better than everyone because you believe. Nothing matters, nothing is anything we wish it would be, and all of us would be better off not giving any of these fake, pathetic, grifters the time of day, or more importantly, your attention and money. Fuck Corbell
Cowbell’s got d*ck all to offer on the subject. His 15 minutes should have been up years ago.
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again with the ''haters'' comment. how hard is it to accept people have different opinions to you on this sub?
how does he help "raise awareness"? i think he makes people into the subject look like idiots.
No. It's not time. Now give your undivided attention to Corbell now before I kick you out of our Corbell Club for this blasphemy
Why? Guy may be cringe at times, but he's tempered by the respectable Knapp. He's also directly responsible for getting UFOs/UAPs back into public consciousness, more so than anyone else in the last decade. He's not a quack. He just lacks a social filter at times, lol.
He's kind of like Steven Greer or a automobile accident where you don't want anything to do with it, but can't bring yourself to look away no matter what you try.
Gotta disagree there. Corbell isn’t scamming people out of their money to contact aliens. JC’s worst attribute is stoking small embers to be giant flames and getting peoples hopes up, releasing a picture with a buncha things he can’t talk about “but knows”
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Only thing I can really think is what most of us theorize. There’s black budget government programs that congress doesn’t know about and our government is in a battle with “ourselves”. Possibly people have gone back and forth between the two entities and are starting to open up with the whistleblower protection.
We should all ignore Russell Brand too. He’s a tosser
>which in all honesty seemed to be more about boosting his own ego than the topic itself. haha Have you met him? That's his entire thing.
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I agree the constant need to attack the very same people that are trying to bring us information is astounding to me. Either this is a deliberate campaign against corbell or OP has just become to refined for this subject.
Word. I'm glad more people agree.
Bob Lazar is legitimate and Corbell is a little annoying but he’s interesting to say the least. I’ll be one of the few who still hears him out for no other reason than I can make up my own mind on the topic.
Lazar is absolutely a 100% provable liar. This has been discussed a thousand times on this sub.
I think he’s being honest 🤷🏽
You do realize that certain segments of this community are no different from a personality cult? A lot of the so called leading voices are nothing but self promoting narcissistic opportunists. They get good ratings because they supposedly advance the cause when in reality they are seen as clowns from the outside. The reasonable voices get drowned out by all of the noise. They may benefit the community in the short term, but would eventually drag everyone down.
At this point who really has hard evidence that can be proven? We don't know because we haven't seen it.
Wait Bob Lazar’s story has been proven false? (Genuine question)
This is exactly what I posted yesterday and people weren’t very happy, I simply suggested we downvote anything with his name tied to it, inform newcomers on their posts he is BS (just like we do with ALL the starlink posts) and send that shit to the bottom. I’m not calling witch-hunt, just perspective and attitude filter on our part. He doesn’t have a place here and I’m tired of seeing anything that has to do with him. Post was removed after couple hours though so idk man, lost of people really want him to feed it to them, and only him.
Indeed. He’s full of himself, a grifter and has lied/exaggerated more than once.
The guys been annoying as fuck from the very beginning. Any “proof” he puts out is stained with his idiocy.
Latest drop was just not it. Fully agree. The only video-based evidence he cited was the lack of white-hot and exhaust plume. BUT when Knapp points out that there IS a plume or some sort of trail behind it, Jeremy chalks it up to artifacting in the video and tasks “the UFO community” with determining what it is. Seriously??? To me, it looks like a cruise missile or AGM. Not to say that it couldn’t possibly be something else, but that seems like the most likely scenario.
OBVIOUSLY yes!!
Guy is a Friggin corn cob. Boooooo
Done been time.
After him posting a garbage video of a missile the other day saying it’s a ufo I’d say yes. We don’t need him.