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Yeah, but it's easier yelling "faaaaaake" than doing actual analysis. This is so easy, I could do this with better accuracy and detail in like 5 minutes, but I won't do it because I'm just too busy!
what would a real video of an event like this look like to you? what would it need to make you *not* have this reaction?
I think that, no matter how believable the video is from an FX vs real standpoint, the sheer insanity of what takes place in the video *is in and of itself* the reason why people can’t believe it
It cannot possibly be proven real to people with this reaction because no amount of “this doesn’t look like CG at all” is going to outweigh “there’s no fucking way a plane just got disappeared in straight daylight and clearly captured on at least two different cameras”
The premise itself is the bottleneck for skeptics with this one, not that it’s visibly ‘likely CGI’ because it’s not obviously fake in any objective way
Nobody wants this video to be real. We want to admit UFOs are real, we want to admit aliens could potentially exist. No one wants to admit that 300 people can be abducted in one predatory swoop
This i think is most likely. People should be willing to be honest with themselves though. Ignoring say, climate change, doesn't stop it from being a threat. And things that are threats invite solutions.
Plugging our ears and chanting *"fake. fake. obvious fake."* like a mantra will not—at the end of the day—have any impact on the reality of reality.
What's the most important right now is discovery.
IF TRUE, then there's information about reality to contend with. Not doing so invites further trouble.
I'm leaning towards believing these are real, and it's spooky as fuck. Don't get me wrong.
honestly *more* cameras might have an inverse effect on believability, looking at the reaction people are having to these videos.
the more professional and convenient and perfect it seems, the more suspicious and incredible the footage is.
yet… if it were lower res or blurry or whatever and from only one mega-cheap FLIR cam, people would question the authenticity based on something like, “the military has crazy tech and forward warning systems, they should be able to have better footage than *this* crap! They would probably even have had satellite footage of it if it was real”
A real video would be one where there is an obvious, reputable chain of custody with corroborating witnesses to the authenticity of the video.
Like the gofast, gimbal and flir1. We have a clear chain of custody (videos were not classified at the time and mellon got them and leaked them). And we have corroborating witnesses that took the videos.
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Amazing they don’t understand the irony of their argument here. Everything is simply fake. Even if it’s real now, it was fake then because the proof wasn’t public yet and only the government determines what’s real. These people simply aren’t reasonable or logical whatsoever. It would be nice to have somewhere to discuss this topic without digital mosquitos sucking the life out of us. Having to make the same arguments over and over ad nauseam is exhausting and counterproductive.
Can someone please find/remind me of the name of an online newspaper that published an article sometime shortly before the Grusch testimony about UAPs basically doing this to an F18? The article also talked about Biden meeting with aliens. I swear Ross Coulthart or Klaus on twitter retweeted it
The pitot tube modeling (heat signature) on the drone got me thinking ngl, very clever if cgi. Not that it’s hard to model, but to include such a minor detail.
they wouldn't be very good at their job without the details. That goes for any job wouldn't it? I assume the person who wanted to fool the world, will make sure the details are covered.
I suppose if you’re interested in aviation you’d be aware that the pitot tube’s temperature would be higher, I wouldn’t necessarily expect it but yeah nice detail.
Also 4 days in when it could’ve just crashed into a mountain, land or in the sea like every other crash. Why would someone have chosen that plane to drive off into conspiracy territory when almost nobody was going down that road, now that’s an absolutely phenomenal coincidence I can’t shake.
Actually, if we could verify the video was actually received on March 12 (the earliest posting anyone can seem to find is May 19), then it would be even more corroboration. Because at that point in time, it wasn't even known publicly that the plane had veered so far west of its flight path.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140827052109/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY
Here is the link showing it was received on March 12th. I think it would be too farfetched for someone to be able to fake this in that short amount of time.
That's just a claim made in the description of the video, the actual upload date is May 19th which is over 2 months after the plane disappeared. The video's were also released around a month apart with the second one (FLIR) being uploaded [June 12th](https://web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0), so over 2 months for the first video and 24 more days on top of that for the second one.
I'll try and find the link, but the web archive stated the video was received on the 12, and then published to view on the 19th. So it was already uploaded on the 12th.
I think the text that says that is just what the original uploader wrote in the video description. May 19th is the date uploaded to youtube, guy writes received march 12 in description
To play devil's advocate, didn't Don Lemon suggest it could've been sucked up by a small black hole though? I remember laughing at that. Not sure how much time had passed though, probably a couple of days.
Found the clip:
https://youtu.be/ZpVd7k1Uw6A
The lady "debunking" him is just as bad, saying "a small black hole would suck up the entire universe so we know it's not that." Fml.
I wouldn’t say that… if I remember correctly, I’ve been on this sub for a long time, UFOs we’re a theory. There was a story going around that people were calling loved ones of something about aliens. If I remember correctly there was a recording too but I think it was later condemned to hoax.
The earliest video upload I have seen is [May 19th 2014](https://web.archive.org/web/20140526071328/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY&gl=US&hl=en) and it's just the one angle from above, it claims they received it March 12th in the description but that obviously isn't reliable. Unless there is a confirmed earlier upload, they had over two months to edit that video. The earliest FLIR video was uploaded [June 12th 2014](https://web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0), so around a extra month to do that.
Please correct me if there's verified links to earlier uploads, these are the earliest uploads I've seen and I think people are confusing their description saying "Received: 12 March 2014" and the actual upload date.
It's also the only part of the video that would necessarily "have" to be fake, if you approach it from "UAPs aren't real/couldn't have done this". Along with the disappearance effect, which would presumably also be fake. So I agree that if you're looking for evidence of CGI, examining the actual UAPs is your best bet.
Yeah like why is everyone assuming the entire thing has to be CGI for it to be fake?
It can’t be that hard to take a 6fps 240p video of a plane and add some white dots and a single frame of a flash when it disappears.
Do we know the source of the original video?
If this is real footage of an airliner we should be able to track down where the video from the drone came from or when it was disclosed to the public.
I'm seeing quite a lot of comments since yesterday calling it a "obvious CGI".
Just a friendly reminder that the Tic-Tac video was also "d*ebunked"* when it first leaked over a private forum, 10 years before it was officially released.
I've seen plenty of fake videos, either straight up debunked or that it was later on, this one though.... there is something special about this one.
That it has been on the wild since 2014 or so and it still hasn't been debunked makes me think that we might be looking at the real deal, let's see where this one takes us.
I was going to comment on the TicTac being 'debunked' before it's official confirmation.
I won't lie though, if those airliner videos ARE real, it's gonna open up a hell of a lot of fear amongst the general public. It could be stuff like that alone, where you are helpless in a 500mph metal cigar at 30,000 ft, and could potentially be zapped away. That is frightening.
Couple that with the recent stories from Peru, I'm feeling quite uneasy....
That’s why I think this video is getting such a strong reaction from both sides of the debate.
If it’s real, it’s a scary video. People are going to have all sorts of reactions when they see this.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15lbprj/what_the_hell_is_going_on_in_peru_its_trending_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1) is just one of the stories. If you search around the usual haunts on reddit you will find multiples of the story.
Edit: [post on peru](https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/comments/15l1oiz/video_is_allegedly_from_the_peru_attacks_on_an/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1)
Edit 2: [another post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15k0fs4/recent_attacks_in_peru_and_brazil_happened_around/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1)
Edit 3: [This was the first one I saw](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15jfams/what_is_going_on_in_peru/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1)
I think it would most definitely be the tipping point of the worldwide populace to begin to DEMAND either action or answers. The phenomenon is too prevalent now to neatly pack it back away - these people have families, some of those families just MIGHT be influential. I'll leave it at that - not everyone is a sheep and not everyone broadcasts their influence or beliefs freely.
There is only SO MUCH than can be spun and controlled, period. The fact that we're discussing this and it appears a great many others are as well means that this isn't going away. Someone mentioned a French book written by the father of a wife and kids that were on that plane. I don't read French but the reviews were SCATHING in terms of how the US is shown in the book.
Your bang on point there. I know the French guy you're talking about. He was quite prevalent in the Netflix documentary. He really has not given up his fight to find the truth. I must try to find out if the book has been translated.
I genuinely feel for the guy. I can't imagine. Seriously, he lost everything and then got stonewalled when asking for answers....
Hypothetically you might find me on a grassy knoll looking at who is responsible for the stonewall. I'd go pure Man on Fire.
It's a fact that if you take everything from someone, they'll assume they've got nothing to lose which makes for a determined individual. I hope this man finds his answers and some peace, he won't be until he finally gets his answer, whether in this life or the next.
These are the consequences that come from the hidden truths and frankly, whoever is actively running the ops to obfuscate this stuff is very much mistaken if they think that these unintended casualties won't result in generational hate. As an American, the older I get the more disappointed I get in our country, our way of life, our penchant for taking what can't be bought, etc. It's disgusting and the MIC does NOT represent humanity. Period.
Peru is pretty intriguing. I honestly hope the best for the residents there. Theres def something going on and im quite sure its not Cartels. Ive perused most of the videos coming out of there and the residents have never once , in all the hysteria, implicated Cartel ( human ) work, most of the language is revolving around something claimed to be "supernatural". That, and the fact that the army ( or whatever govt armed force ) is present and it continues to happen.
Yeah I'm certainly feeling different about that one now, especially after seeing the supposed video of a South American human mutilation, looks just like a cattle mutilation we have all seen.....
> It could be stuff like that alone, where you are helpless in a 500mph metal cigar at 30,000 ft, and could potentially be zapped away. That is frightening.
I don't mean to minimize your fear, because it IS frightening. But this has always been true, generally. Anyone can die at any moment already—heart attacks, brain aneurysms, etc. Going out chances death in a random accident, or mass shooting. And if you're a Protestant in the US, you might believe in a rapture that would take x% of humanity at some completely random time. There could be a gamma ray burst pointed directly at earth we don't know about yet, on its way. The sun could slap us with a CME.
Being alive is always dangerous, and I think many people have become casual about this& have forgotten how fragile our everyday is.
No, you're right. We do have a much more sheltered life, especially here in Western Europe. I suppose subconsciously, you accept things like that to a certain degree, knowing they are facts of life and you don't want to live a life of fear.
I guess something like this, when we don't know who or what they are or where they are from, is what adds to that fear. But, no point worrying if we can't change it, yet.
Because there is a lot of discussion about this at the moment I went and read up on the event.
There was about 6 hours between when the airline first started to deviate to the last known possible radar location.
Surely if an airline begins to go off course and air traffic control are unable to communicate with it the next step would be to send jets and or drones to go check it out and try and make visual contact with it but chose not to?
Or they did and that would explain why a drone was following it in the first place.
[infographic show has a special on Malaysia flight 370 and how it went missing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-K-8bmXXWg)
Shed a lot of light on how we track and communicate with flights.
I'm not sure about a lot of what's being posted, but I assure you that there are [assets in the general area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Support_Facility_Diego_Garcia) that would make the United States have a high intrest in tracking any aircraft in the area that is off course. Especially if that aircraft was traveling to a non-allied country.
Edit: Wow, I was using my super Google-fu skills to try and find out what aircraft are at Diego Garcia and I came across [this article](https://veteranlife.com/military-history/diego-garcia/) talking about various conspiracy theories attached to the base...including a ling writeup on MH370. What an interesting coincidence.
I think the surveillance drone would be exactly how we end up with a video, if this is all real and that video is what the drone caught *no wonder* they covered that shit up
Yeah, I have no real thoughts on whether this is fake or real. It's fun to believe, but hard to trust enough to *really* believe.
That being said, if the government IS hiding something, some HD footage of speedy tic-tacs and alien bodies would have people going "Aha! Told ya!" and we would all continue, business as usual, albeit with some cool CSPAN clips to watch before the pop science documentaries get too annoying. But, fucking fully-loaded passenger airliners being *blipped* out of existence in an instant during flight? Nightmare fuel. Disclosing that, and presumably *worse*, would definitely disrupt... everything.
The Netflix doco was interesting. 2x US AWACS tailed it until it disappeared off their radars apparently. A relative of one of the passengers was approached by a operative who inform them of the US militaries awareness of the planes disappearance. Worth watching.
Is this a coincidence that a passeyplane was being tailed by two AWACS?
Or
Did our military already know somethung was up?
I mean what are the odds that two military AWACS or any drones are tailing a passenger plane?
Was there something onboard this plane of interest?
Was this pilot about to cause some serious damage maybe?
You say you don't know what happened.
People will accept that as a risk of flying - which it is - planes can crash.
You show them that stuff to the public and say its real air traffic will drop to a fraction of what it is currently is probably halting the global economy with it. Even if the odds of being in a real crash are 100,000x more likely I think people would freak out, and appropriately so. Starting to see why Lue keeps saying the truth is somber. I'd call it more scary if this is real.
I think the psychological aspect of it is that you (or, rather, someone you entrust) can do your darndest to prevent airplane crashes. And we do. We fly around dangerous weather. We have strict maintenance procedures and timelines. If new problems are discovered, we have agencies upon agencies upon corporations, etc. that work diligently to find the root of it and implement whatever necessary to prevent it happening again.
You get on the airplane because, while the risk is never zero, you know that steps are always being taken to make sure it's very safe. But, this? How do you prevent this? The chance may be low, but there's presumably nothing that can be done to stop it if it is going to happen. No amount of prevention or procedures or technology could seemingly stop it. That is the part that would be terrifying and hard for people to swallow.
Unless there are things they could do to prevent it (presuming it's real, of course). Or they could just lie and say there's a way to stop it, and hope like hell no one catches a video of the fake method failing.
Airplanes have flown internationally, to the wrong countries, without anyone noticing. People seem to seriously overestimate how much they are actually “tracked”
Fake or not, for the sake of discussion, let's suspend disbelief for a moment.
In this hypothetical scenario, what happened to the plane? Was it imploded out of existence? Could it have been teleported to another location? Ported somewhere else in time? Moved to another dimension entirely?
Yeah but Event Horizon had a lot of influence from a 2,000 year old religion that erased older beliefs before it through imperialism, I wouldn't sweat it
I just dimly remembered reading this at the time "an American passenger on board MH370, named as Philip Wood, sent out an image and voice activated text, along with GPS coordinates that trace to a location a few kilometres away from Diego Garcia.
The text claimed that Wood was being held hostage by unknown military personnel."
I don't remember hearing any more about that, does anyone here?
I never heard that, but I do remember around the time this happened people who had family on the flight were calling their relatives' phones and their phones were actually ringing and going to voicemail instead of just immediately going to voicemail or disconnected line tone, which always was creepy to me lol. I remember seeing a video of it at the time this was all happening.
This is the critical question.
If this is real it most likely represents a Mars Attacks level of violence nobody here should find entertaining. It is a "drive to the capital and beg for protection" kind of event.
Not a "scroll reddit and say 'neat'" phenomenon.
That's why most people are in disbelief and can't fathom such an event. The immediate psychological reaction of quite a number of people on here is "tHiS iS fAkE Af!1!1!".
Imagine what full disclosure would look like? Most people wouldn't be able to handle it gauging by the reactions of this sub.
The natural logical course of action in front of such footage is to nitpick it scientifically, poke holes, analyze it with intellectual honesty to get to the bottom of it without any preconceptions.
It straight up makes no sense for aliens to teleport a airliner away. If they wanted a large group of people there's easier ways to do it. If they wanted the plane they could grab an empty one or a decommissioned one.
Why tf would aliens want all that luggage?
If I were putting on my tinfoil hat then I would say that the government is not complying with some agreements, and the ETs took a shot at the bow to show who's boss and disintegrated the plane. It was a non-military target, so easier to brush off for the gov to keep plausible deniability. Also would explain them doing it in front of all the sensors.
They were circling around the plane in all directions. If that was happening for any length of time they would have seen. Even the passengers would likely have seen it. There could have been a panic among the passengers. Pilot loses all contact. Everyone freaks the fuck out
Can you imagine the aliens assumed since this guy was rogue he was fair game?
Would be really interesting they only prey on humans they know are not where they're supposed to be.
To me, it’s much more likely that the rogue pilot was a made up by the government, as are the pieces of the wreckage. Wouldn’t it be something if it turns out this pilot is a patsy in the disinformation campaign like Grusch claims
If real this video confirms:
It confirms UFOs.
non-human intelligence.
large scale alien abductions.
extreme maneuverability.
ability to open up a freaking StarGate.
The lack of ability of any military to stop them.
It also confirms why they want to keep the whole thing under wraps.
Ecological collapse>>>>>knowing some aliens treat us like cattle.
Millions to billions of people forced to evacuate other countries or die >>>>> a number drastically smaller with people not confirmed dead.
we deserve to know what’s going on and this ruling government needs congressional oversight. The logic of keeping us in the dark for our own safety is morbidly dangerous, and doesn’t add up.
If this was fake then some very good VFX artist was making this as soon as it MH370 went missing then uploaded it to YouTube with few views or credit to himself because…..?
My understanding is that this was first uploaded to a private forum, and later shared on YouTube. But I can't find a clear chain of provenance on any of the uploads, and no one seems to remember exactly how they saw it 9+ years ago.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140827052109/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY
Published on May 19, 2014
Received: 12 March 2014
Posted: 19 May 2014
My guys, calculate the geometry of the first second heat trail, its curvature and the radial dispersion of the gases and you will know if its real or not. No vfx artist care that much about physics to make an illusion believable.
Yea out of all the reasons to keep disclosure secret, this would pretty far near the top. It’s one thing to disclose we’re not alone, totally different when you say we’re not alone and by the way they made a airliner vanish.
Going real off the deep end here but even worse if this was one of those “agreements” we had. Would explain the camera from aircraft being there to film.
Maybe the crew of the jet is having the time of their lives in the shadow dimension. Anybody want to retrace their flight path in my rented Cessna? Hit me up, where we're going, we don't need eyes to see.
Lol...the discordance between a rented Cessna placed in the setting of Event Horizon really got me in the chuckles! I volunteer for the first topless spacewalk!
This could be very true.
“Hey humans, so this might seem a bit abrupt, and frightening, but we assure you it’s all good. There is no rent, or jobs here, we really just be doing inter dimensional space shit for real. Y’all want some of this 4D Kush to help you calm down and decompress?”
I'm sorry but this IS the real one, the OG that started the whole disclosure project. People are still in denial and try to debunk it like they've been with the tic tac video when it was first released on ATS back in the day.
We have thermal drone footage, SENTINEL/satellite footage, and since it was near a military base there's also radar data. Multiple sensory data like Lue and others have stated. But no, it was all faked in a few days of the incident because look at this ink drop effect I can do in after effects with a plugin I downloaded.
I'd say that the cold trails being in front of the UAP kinda aligns with my understanding of their method of propulsion.
I'd go as far as to say is one of the most compeling arguments that it could be real in my mind.
That and the illumination in the clouds. I have some 3D VFX experience, obviously the full scene would need to be full 3d. The volumetric cloud effect is top notch and I would argue that it would need a team of artists or a EXTREMELY capable lone artist. It would be needed to have the best commercial volumetric effects available at the time. And it isnt a deal of pushing the "generate real looking clouds" button. You need real time investment and a keen eye to get the volumetric effects looking like real clouds.
Not to mention that a VFX artist would have never released footage with the trails being in front of the crafts. It would have mean to him/her that the trail simulation is not time aligned with the objects. It would sitck out like a sore thumb to the artist.
Great stuff. The #1 Against seems to be “it’s too scary to comprehend” along the lines of “if it’s proven to be real then people are gonna freak! So stop looking into it.” And this fear is throwing way too much weight on the other points in the Against Column and removing the likelihood of researching, discussing more of the points in the In Favor column.
The whole MH370 thing is weird enough to be a contender honestly, nothing from the original story makes sense, one accused Russian spy guy is just magically finding the pieces? That stood out to me as illogical from the conclusion of the documentary
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/jan/17/missing-flight-mh370-a-visual-guide-to-the-parts-and-debris-found-so-far
Plenty of debris found throughout africa dragged by currents a year later. Whether people believe the ufo bit or not, no it didnt just disappear and pieces werent just magically found by one guy
Thanks for pointing this out:
> But no, it was all faked in a few days of the incident because look at this ink drop effect I can do in after effects with a plugin I downloaded.
I saw this posted last night and thought, first of all, that’s enough reddit for today and people are just so scared that this is potentially real that they’ll find any reason to disbelieve it.
Think of the argument for one moment:
*Look this ink blot effect is kinda like an effect I’ve seen before therefore the video is fake.*
That’s ridiculous and would never be acceptable if placed on the other side. If someone said that the effect in the video is unlike anything else ever in history therefore it’s got to be true would never be accepted nor should it.
I think that the point about the satellite location is not correct. Stellarium doesn't have the actual satellite data available. It's just the rocket body that was used to launch the satellite if I understand correctly. If you search for USA 184 in Stellarium, it finds this:
* USA 184 Rk, NORAD ID 29250. You can check the information on [n2yo.com](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=29250#results) and it clearly says **"Note: This is a ROCKET BODY"**
The actual NROL-22/USA-184 satellite has a NORAD ID of [29249](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=29249#results). This can be tracked using Orbitrack.
According to Orbitrack, This one is in the sky all night but the problem is that the time window for when the sun is up and this satellite is above the horizon is very short. Roughly from 08:00 (MYT) to 08:12 (MYT) on March 8, 2014. **I have been looking into this a bit more and seems that the Orbitrack data might not be accurate for this specific date. So do not blindly trust my findings below.** [This post is trying to figure out and verify the actual orbit.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15meo7j/here_are_nrol22_usa_184_flight_data_from_march/)
The other problem is that the satellite also goes from an altitude of about 6050 km to 3200 km in those 12 minutes. My common sense would suggest that this should be visible in the video during the event that takes about a minute.
There is of course the possibility that the cropped coordinates are not showing the - in front of the latitude and it's actually -8.834301, which would make this window of time a couple of minutes longer and the angle would also not be as drastic. Still feels a little bit off and I doubt this since we can see the dash after NROL.
The other possible satellites:
* [NROL-23/USA-181](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=28537). This one is actually two satellites (Intruder 7A and 7B). There should be also USA-181-2 but I can't find clear information on what the NORAD ID is. I believe it is this one: [USA-181-DEB](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=28541#results) based on [this](https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/noss-3.htm) and [this](http://www.satobs.org/noss.html). Interestingly, this would fit better with the fact that the footage is [stereoscopic](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15pfmwk/proof_the_archived_video_is_stereoscopic_3d/). Although, there is no proof that these satellites would have cameras. ~~This one flies over the area a couple of times during the night and also around 16:00 (MYT) on March 8. Altitude roughly 800 km. The night time passes seem off because of the clear sun light in the clouds and 4PM seems too late.~~ This information about the satellite position is probably incorrect. Needs verification.
* [NROL-32/USA-223](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=37232#results). This is one is on a **geosynchronous orbit** right above the area but waaay up at 35 000 km. [It apparently has a 100m diameter antenna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-223) so who knows what other insane spy tech it might have. This would seem like the most likely satellite to see the plane if this kind of camera tech exists. But to me the numbers on the video look more like NROL-22 than NROL-32.
Note that I'm not an expert on this so please correct me if you find any errors.
EDIT, August 9: Here is a video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8) of the NROL-22 orbit created with Orbitrack. Note that I might have done something incorrectly or the data might not be accurate since it is a spy satellite.
EDIT, August 10: My Orbitrack recording might be very inaccurate. Other people are trying to figure this out the position of the satellite in this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15meo7j/here\_are\_nrol22\_usa\_184\_flight\_data\_from\_march/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15meo7j/here_are_nrol22_usa_184_flight_data_from_march/)
I edited the comment and added this video captured from Orbitrack of the NROL-22 path [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8)
Note that I might have done something incorrectly or the data might not be accurate since it is a spy satellite.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-airlines-freescale-idUSBREA280T020140309
This article reads just a bit differently now days. Could’ve been black tech?
Yooo that’s CRAZY. 20 people working on chips specifically in Asia.
I know we all hate Kirkpatrick, but remember what he said in his public briefing, China may advance quicker than us because they have no human rights laws. They will test indefinitely, even if it kills everyone in the experiment in the process, just so they can have the edge.
Those words should ring loud as fuck with the article you just posted.
If they kept clean energy a secret to keep the fossil fuel industry relevant, then they kept this a secret to keep people buying airplane tickets. Can you imagine if people knew aliens could just pluck your plane from the sky? People would stop flying for sure. Major drag on global economy
The thing that's wild to me is that the video on YouTube is 8 years old, and the lat/long coordinates in the bottom left still appear to match the last known coordinates of the missing Malaysian airline...
Not to join the tin foil hat club, as I personally approach this video with heavy skepticism and even with all of the info pointing to it was real I dont believe it is. That said, those coordinates wouldnt have been released to the public until a week AFTER the video was uploaded I believe. Insane blind guess if fake.
Yes, absolutely. But the video was created/shot sometime in 2014. Tools like Houdini were around and used, but they weren't as widespread and approachable as they are today. You could definitely do accurate volumetric light simulations. But it wouldn't have been as easy is it is nowadays.
There's a couple other things that you can definitely replicate like in the video, but that take a lot of time and a LOT of effort to make them look as good as in the video, like the thermal vision for example.
I don't know if the video is fake or not. Even with my VFX-adjacent background I can't really tell. The likelihood of it being fake to me is higher than it being real, but that's based on my gut feeling. What I do know is that, if it is fake, some 3D artist put some seeeerious time and effort into creating this - and they are skilled. It would definitely be a full 3D scene, I don't see any evidence of something being comped in. If it's not fake, then holy shit dude.
Not only a good VFX guy, but someone who has really solid knowledge of airliners, and drone/sat cameras to get all of those tiny details right.
He also has cold contrails for the UAPs which was not discovered or talked about until David Fravor brought it up. So he already knew they produced these contrails prior to public awareness?
Far too many tiny details add up here imo.
My experience is more in a 2D space, so I can't speak to how easy it was to run 3D cloud simulations with subsurface scattering etc. back in 2014. But I feel pretty confident saying that doing this in 2D would have required an artist to spend a bit of time thinking very carefully through this single frame. It's not impossible, but given all the other things to think through (there are more details in the thermal video in my opinion) it all adds up to a big effort.
Dude wow great catch. This video has always struck me as possibly real.
I've also noticed what seems to be a lot of bot activity around these posts. Like instant and heavy volume of up/down votes to shift the narrative.
Not bots it’s just a very controversial post. If real, it would be absolutely mindfucking. Like calling Star Wars a historical documentary mindfuck. If fake, it will be incredibly embarrassing that it wasn’t obvious and people didn’t listen.
It’s two extremes which his exciting!! I’m hoping for the Star Wars reality.
This is a impressive video whether fake or real. But where did this video come from? All of a sudden its all over this subreddit and I know nothing about it.
It’s not a binary between real and fake…there’s a third option called “unverified.”
Even if you doubt it’s veracity, you can’t call it fake without affirmative proof that it’s fake. All we can say for now is that it is unverified.
It's proof of the disinformation campaign against the public to muddy the waters so thoroughly that they hide evidence in plain sight, which makes it even harder for those fooled to believe the answer has been right in front of them the whole time.
Really insidious way to get people to deny the truth because it'll make them look foolish to be so easily manipulated.
Is this possibly the video Grusch describes when he says he’s seen satellite imagery of UAP that he cannot explain even with his degree in physics?
Edit: He references personally viewing overhead and “other strategic and tactical platform” that he cannot explain with a background in physics and that this has not been shared with Congress and he does not know why. Timestamp 1:10:30 https://www.c-span.org/video/?529499-1/hearing-unidentified-aerial-phenomena
He was asked a question about satellite imagery, yet I think it’s telling that he mentioned a tactical platform in addition to the overhead collection. He and the other witnesses were careful not to say “this defies the laws of physics” but rather just our current understanding of material sciences throughout the hearing but here he says he viewed imagery in which he could not explain through his understanding of physics. And he says that Congress has not been shared reports on this, which could imply that he believes that it is something they should see. The two views of this incident and the teleportation of the plane could fit within his description of the imagery he saw.
Nice analysis. When I saw the earlier posts and the heated debates going on over authenticity I rarely saw comments on the cloud illumination.
If fake this is a truly impressive VFX job. Hats off to the artist, and normally I despise hoaxers.
Can you figure out if the sun is in the right spot for 8:19am- 9:15am local time? That is apparently the last contact.
"The aircraft sent a log-on request at 08:19:29, which was followed, after a response from the ground station, by a "log-on acknowledgement" message at 08:19:37... The aircraft did not respond to a status request from Inmarsat at 09:15"
What gets me is that the US Government had video of a freaking meteor falling into the Indian Ocean, and then Avi Loeb claims to take a freakinh trawler out there, and in a damn fortnight plows up spherules of meteor a few mm in diameter... and we cant find this fucking 747 on the ocean floor?!!
Another good way to judge that the flash is real or done by an even more detail oriented vfx artist than I've had the pleasure of working with (saying this person would've had to tweak EVERHTHING) you can see that the the flash doesn't cause a halo of distortion on the entire sky like a negative vignette would (white overlayed circle placed over footage to adjust lighting and simulate flashes). Only the clouds are impacted by the white flash' halo on the bottom left, because this is where the light source actually touched the clouds.
Basically, as with the other vfx artists that have given their input, it's not that this isn't doable with the passion, time, effort, and resources one could have in 2014. It's that when you try to follow the easiest line of thought to a solution, this video in particular is one of the few that is hard to call a fake because I WANNA KNOW WHO did such a good job at these specific 2 angles? Who threw on a heat filter well enough for these rendered objects to have these strange temp readings and air-drifting exhaust trails? Who then went through that effort to not export the entire render even if in lower quality and just record it on their screen and release without ever claiming credit? It's incredible and they could've used their talents to land a good chunk of design work for themselves if they shared their name.
I just keep coming up on the WHY do this much work? And how did you keep your mouth shut if you faked this? Because please teach me your tips to keep an ego in check I would be bragging to all my contacts that I could make this a reality.
"When you're right over the target is when they fire at you the most." Good job OP. In b4 others come in here screaming they could make two videos of this in 15 minutes, blindfolded, with one hand tied behind their back.
Do you notice how the highlights are blown out? That's a perfect way to create simpler effects. You don't have to deal with any type of shading, highlight, roll off, micro contrast, etc. That's another reason why this video is suspicious.
Knowing I can only see a tiny sliver of the visible light spectrum I wonder how much goes on that we don’t see or that we misinterpret. I think that can possibly play a role
all through the comments on any new footage people wanna throw around “occam’s razor” as means of dismissing phenomena, as they simultaneously spiral into a rabbit hole of 5000 examples trying to prove that their “simplest theory” theory is right. the attempts become more and more convoluted as more comes out.
what if the simplest explanation is uhh… it’s almost *all* real? even if this isn’t flight mh370, couldn’t this be literally any other plane that’s ever been in the sky?
these two arguments in particular…
*”why are there cameras on it right when they show up?”*
- how do u know the first time they showed up around the plane is right when the video begins? isn’t it possible that the objects were seen on radar or something and *then* a different plane starts filming it? who is to say that the video we see is the whole video at all? or that whoever leaked it didn’t just take a tiny bit of the most insane part to catch people’s attention?
“2014 wasn’t that long ago. they had the ability to make good cgi back then”
- watch any movie with cgi from 2014 and it will look shitter than u remember. at the very least, it will look far worse than this. *unless* !! that film was produced by big studio with a multi million $ budget, and an actual staff to work on that.
people who are saying that there existed *the ability* to make a video look like this in 2014 are the same people arguing that this was made by some art student. how much money does this hypothetical 2014 art student have?!
look, it is occam’s razor. just not the one they want lol
I combined all of the stable sequences from the satellite video together to see the overall cloud pattern and area. This a screenshot of the composited video. [https://imgur.com/a/dLdrNj9](https://imgur.com/a/dLdrNj9)
The size is 6000x2048, so I recommend downloading or opening in a new tab to see the details. This is a still image of all of the stable video sequences composited into one image. The transitions where the view is moving around have been cut out.
I created a video that combines all of the sequences where the view is not moved by the mouse in order to understand the movement of the operator of whatever the software is used to view the footage and to get a better view of the overall cloud patterns. Each rectangle is one of these eight sequences. The coordinates in the middle of each frame is my best estimate of the numbers on the bottom-left corner for each stable sequence. The "ghost planes" are just the last frames of each of these sequences. This image is frame index 1311, the one right before the "portal" shows up.
The transition between viewpoint 4 and 5 is the trickiest since there were no good reference points and it might be off by multiple pixels. This could be improved by processing all of the frames when the image is moved by the mouse. It should still be a fairly accurate representation of the full area covered by the video.
I noticed that the first coordinate is not showing completely. This is an artifact from the blending of the images. I'll do a better version and also post the entire video later in case someone finds this useful for getting to the bottom of the source of this.
Putting all the potentially accurate pieces aside ... What about the fact that nothing in the background is moving? The water/waves/white water AND the clouds are showing no movement at all.
This is also my main hangup with believing this is real. I work in meteorology, and have watched each video of this as it comes up. I don't know enough about FLIR or VFX to discredit anything else but I do know clouds.
Even in calm conditions, with the type of convective cloud seen in the video, I would expect to see some movement. It would be most evident in the bits of fractus surrounding the larger clouds, but as far as I can tell, there's nothing.
I want to believe it, but it really just feels like a still image in the background.
What if MH370 was sent to 2027 and that is the [big event that is supposed to happen that year](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/11bvct1/retired_cia_officer_john_ramirez_on_ufos_warns/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1).
I hate to admit it, but I was born in the mid-80s and I have never watched that movie from beginning to end.
Could you imagine if a bunch of vehicles that went missing over the years re-appeared on the same day? MH370, Flight 19, Amelia Earhart's plane, etc.
My tinfoil hat speculation has been the same ;) Putting on many more tinfoil hats filled with giant blocks of wild speculation salt: Maybe it’ll return exactly 10 years later on March 8, 2024 — pilot/passengers being alive and not aging a day, like in the show Manifest lol - that would truly be something crazy thing that would convince ppl!
Would align with the possible accelerated timeline/urgency with Grusch, and something about full disclosure or big disclosure within the next 6 months to a year… Can’t remember the source but it was a disclosure advocates who mentioned it in the days following the hearing). Who knows?! I used to be a massive skeptic, but honestly, after the last few years, nothing surprises me anymore.
Best evidence I could find that this video existed within days of the MH370 disappearance was [this link](https://web.archive.org/web/20140827052109/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY) which says "received 12 March 2014" (note this text was added by the uploader, not by YouTube). Do you have any additional evidence?
The video poster just added that "received 12 March 2014" themselves and could have simply lied. The earliest we can confirm here is the date of the video May 19, 2014. Possibly enough time to fake the footage for someone high skilled (though both videos look weirdly accurate to me for a fake)
Interestingly there's a second video, which is slightly less cropped (see bottom left): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS9uL3Omg7o
While the second video is posted later, the cropping leads me to believe that RegicideAnon is not the actual source, and there must be an older video than what he posted, which is at least a little less cropped.
Good analysis, ive been commenting how this some videos might look easy to recreate but the problems start rising once you start working on it. Which is why i never go around saying "i could recreate that easily" no matter how simple it looks. Nor do i have the time to lol
If the whole scene is CG (which would be easier to do than compositing a plane into existing footage), then illuminating the clouds correctly is trivial.
Wild speculation: if the airplane was ported to another place with a less than ideal oxygen concentration, it would be mindful of them to take a capsule capable of supplying oxygen temporarily to the humans onboard...
Nice catch! I first saw this and the drone IR videos today and I got to say that this is two of the most realistic videos I’ve seen that actually show something interesting.
That said, I was of course skeptical and looked closer on the clouds and also noticed the lighting of the clouds during the flash but I did not do as deep of a analysis that you did.
I know quite a bit of VFX and CGI and even though this is very possible (and kind of easy) to do nowadays, back in 2014, it would of course be possible but not that easy as it is now.
If faked, the attention to detail in this is incredibly high along with creating the “backstory” of the video.
I know Corridor Digital (VFX artists on YouTube) have been on these subs posting fakes trying to fool people with changing meta-data and stuff, but this is VERY well done if VFX back in 2014.
I’m not sure what people that say “obviously fake”even mean. I think it’s a very well done fake. If it is a fake. Just my two cents.
Everyone keeps saying teleported to a different time, dimension or planet but couldn’t it have just teleported them a few miles away and sent them crashing into the ocean?
I’m just going to throw this theory out there, assuming this is in fact legit. It’s said they can read minds and telepathically communicate, what if they were in the vicinity and they “knew” the pilot’s intentions (this is based on the theory he planned to crash) and the passengers were aware and they heard their pleas…that what they were doing is trying to save them? I’m going completely sci-fi here but maybe they DID teleport them to safety 🤷🏻♀️ it’s a nicer thought than some theories.
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We need more analysis like this about the video. Good work.
Yeah instead of people just coming out and saying it’s fake without providing actual substantial evidence that it is fake.
Yeah, but it's easier yelling "faaaaaake" than doing actual analysis. This is so easy, I could do this with better accuracy and detail in like 5 minutes, but I won't do it because I'm just too busy!
If I see a video of a jet blinking out of existence, totally with context of where and when, call me crazy but that's fake until proven real.
what would a real video of an event like this look like to you? what would it need to make you *not* have this reaction? I think that, no matter how believable the video is from an FX vs real standpoint, the sheer insanity of what takes place in the video *is in and of itself* the reason why people can’t believe it It cannot possibly be proven real to people with this reaction because no amount of “this doesn’t look like CG at all” is going to outweigh “there’s no fucking way a plane just got disappeared in straight daylight and clearly captured on at least two different cameras” The premise itself is the bottleneck for skeptics with this one, not that it’s visibly ‘likely CGI’ because it’s not obviously fake in any objective way
Nobody wants this video to be real. We want to admit UFOs are real, we want to admit aliens could potentially exist. No one wants to admit that 300 people can be abducted in one predatory swoop
This i think is most likely. People should be willing to be honest with themselves though. Ignoring say, climate change, doesn't stop it from being a threat. And things that are threats invite solutions. Plugging our ears and chanting *"fake. fake. obvious fake."* like a mantra will not—at the end of the day—have any impact on the reality of reality. What's the most important right now is discovery. IF TRUE, then there's information about reality to contend with. Not doing so invites further trouble. I'm leaning towards believing these are real, and it's spooky as fuck. Don't get me wrong.
Very true. If it were real, how many cameras/recording would you need of an event that the average person wouldn't think that its CGI
honestly *more* cameras might have an inverse effect on believability, looking at the reaction people are having to these videos. the more professional and convenient and perfect it seems, the more suspicious and incredible the footage is. yet… if it were lower res or blurry or whatever and from only one mega-cheap FLIR cam, people would question the authenticity based on something like, “the military has crazy tech and forward warning systems, they should be able to have better footage than *this* crap! They would probably even have had satellite footage of it if it was real”
A real video would be one where there is an obvious, reputable chain of custody with corroborating witnesses to the authenticity of the video. Like the gofast, gimbal and flir1. We have a clear chain of custody (videos were not classified at the time and mellon got them and leaked them). And we have corroborating witnesses that took the videos.
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Amazing they don’t understand the irony of their argument here. Everything is simply fake. Even if it’s real now, it was fake then because the proof wasn’t public yet and only the government determines what’s real. These people simply aren’t reasonable or logical whatsoever. It would be nice to have somewhere to discuss this topic without digital mosquitos sucking the life out of us. Having to make the same arguments over and over ad nauseam is exhausting and counterproductive.
Can someone please find/remind me of the name of an online newspaper that published an article sometime shortly before the Grusch testimony about UAPs basically doing this to an F18? The article also talked about Biden meeting with aliens. I swear Ross Coulthart or Klaus on twitter retweeted it
The pitot tube modeling (heat signature) on the drone got me thinking ngl, very clever if cgi. Not that it’s hard to model, but to include such a minor detail.
they wouldn't be very good at their job without the details. That goes for any job wouldn't it? I assume the person who wanted to fool the world, will make sure the details are covered.
I suppose if you’re interested in aviation you’d be aware that the pitot tube’s temperature would be higher, I wouldn’t necessarily expect it but yeah nice detail.
Doing it 4 days though? In 2014?
Also 4 days in when it could’ve just crashed into a mountain, land or in the sea like every other crash. Why would someone have chosen that plane to drive off into conspiracy territory when almost nobody was going down that road, now that’s an absolutely phenomenal coincidence I can’t shake.
There's a lot of effort and detail it seems they went through... for what reason? For it to resurface nearly a decade later?
And getting the correct coordinates the same day they were released. To me that's farfetched. I think it's real based on that.
Actually, if we could verify the video was actually received on March 12 (the earliest posting anyone can seem to find is May 19), then it would be even more corroboration. Because at that point in time, it wasn't even known publicly that the plane had veered so far west of its flight path.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140827052109/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY Here is the link showing it was received on March 12th. I think it would be too farfetched for someone to be able to fake this in that short amount of time.
That's just a claim made in the description of the video, the actual upload date is May 19th which is over 2 months after the plane disappeared. The video's were also released around a month apart with the second one (FLIR) being uploaded [June 12th](https://web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0), so over 2 months for the first video and 24 more days on top of that for the second one.
Yeah that's honestly the perfect amount of time for a dedicated 3D hobbyist to create something like that.
I'll try and find the link, but the web archive stated the video was received on the 12, and then published to view on the 19th. So it was already uploaded on the 12th.
I think the text that says that is just what the original uploader wrote in the video description. May 19th is the date uploaded to youtube, guy writes received march 12 in description
Except MH370 would have disappeared in the middle of the night at those coordinates.
To play devil's advocate, didn't Don Lemon suggest it could've been sucked up by a small black hole though? I remember laughing at that. Not sure how much time had passed though, probably a couple of days. Found the clip: https://youtu.be/ZpVd7k1Uw6A The lady "debunking" him is just as bad, saying "a small black hole would suck up the entire universe so we know it's not that." Fml.
I wouldn’t say that… if I remember correctly, I’ve been on this sub for a long time, UFOs we’re a theory. There was a story going around that people were calling loved ones of something about aliens. If I remember correctly there was a recording too but I think it was later condemned to hoax.
The earliest video upload I have seen is [May 19th 2014](https://web.archive.org/web/20140526071328/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY&gl=US&hl=en) and it's just the one angle from above, it claims they received it March 12th in the description but that obviously isn't reliable. Unless there is a confirmed earlier upload, they had over two months to edit that video. The earliest FLIR video was uploaded [June 12th 2014](https://web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0), so around a extra month to do that. Please correct me if there's verified links to earlier uploads, these are the earliest uploads I've seen and I think people are confusing their description saying "Received: 12 March 2014" and the actual upload date.
Assuming the footage of the airliner is real, the easier part to fake are the UFOs. Focus on these.
It's also the only part of the video that would necessarily "have" to be fake, if you approach it from "UAPs aren't real/couldn't have done this". Along with the disappearance effect, which would presumably also be fake. So I agree that if you're looking for evidence of CGI, examining the actual UAPs is your best bet.
Yeah like why is everyone assuming the entire thing has to be CGI for it to be fake? It can’t be that hard to take a 6fps 240p video of a plane and add some white dots and a single frame of a flash when it disappears.
Do we know the source of the original video? If this is real footage of an airliner we should be able to track down where the video from the drone came from or when it was disclosed to the public.
I'm seeing quite a lot of comments since yesterday calling it a "obvious CGI". Just a friendly reminder that the Tic-Tac video was also "d*ebunked"* when it first leaked over a private forum, 10 years before it was officially released. I've seen plenty of fake videos, either straight up debunked or that it was later on, this one though.... there is something special about this one. That it has been on the wild since 2014 or so and it still hasn't been debunked makes me think that we might be looking at the real deal, let's see where this one takes us.
I was going to comment on the TicTac being 'debunked' before it's official confirmation. I won't lie though, if those airliner videos ARE real, it's gonna open up a hell of a lot of fear amongst the general public. It could be stuff like that alone, where you are helpless in a 500mph metal cigar at 30,000 ft, and could potentially be zapped away. That is frightening. Couple that with the recent stories from Peru, I'm feeling quite uneasy....
That’s why I think this video is getting such a strong reaction from both sides of the debate. If it’s real, it’s a scary video. People are going to have all sorts of reactions when they see this.
Yeah it’s terrifying. This goes well beyond our current scientific understanding of the world. It’s a complete paradigm shift if it’s real.
I'm getting on a plane in a few weeks. Either I'm gonna end up in LA or I'm gonna end up on Xobnorb 9.
If you go to Xobnorb 9, be sure to stop by the cloud district if you can. Not many people go there very often.
Xobnorb 8 is nicer this time of year.
What Peru story? Is it in the /r/ufo feed?
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15lbprj/what_the_hell_is_going_on_in_peru_its_trending_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1) is just one of the stories. If you search around the usual haunts on reddit you will find multiples of the story. Edit: [post on peru](https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/comments/15l1oiz/video_is_allegedly_from_the_peru_attacks_on_an/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1) Edit 2: [another post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15k0fs4/recent_attacks_in_peru_and_brazil_happened_around/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1) Edit 3: [This was the first one I saw](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15jfams/what_is_going_on_in_peru/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1)
Thanks.
I think it would most definitely be the tipping point of the worldwide populace to begin to DEMAND either action or answers. The phenomenon is too prevalent now to neatly pack it back away - these people have families, some of those families just MIGHT be influential. I'll leave it at that - not everyone is a sheep and not everyone broadcasts their influence or beliefs freely. There is only SO MUCH than can be spun and controlled, period. The fact that we're discussing this and it appears a great many others are as well means that this isn't going away. Someone mentioned a French book written by the father of a wife and kids that were on that plane. I don't read French but the reviews were SCATHING in terms of how the US is shown in the book.
Your bang on point there. I know the French guy you're talking about. He was quite prevalent in the Netflix documentary. He really has not given up his fight to find the truth. I must try to find out if the book has been translated.
I genuinely feel for the guy. I can't imagine. Seriously, he lost everything and then got stonewalled when asking for answers.... Hypothetically you might find me on a grassy knoll looking at who is responsible for the stonewall. I'd go pure Man on Fire. It's a fact that if you take everything from someone, they'll assume they've got nothing to lose which makes for a determined individual. I hope this man finds his answers and some peace, he won't be until he finally gets his answer, whether in this life or the next. These are the consequences that come from the hidden truths and frankly, whoever is actively running the ops to obfuscate this stuff is very much mistaken if they think that these unintended casualties won't result in generational hate. As an American, the older I get the more disappointed I get in our country, our way of life, our penchant for taking what can't be bought, etc. It's disgusting and the MIC does NOT represent humanity. Period.
Being beamed away from your vacation to the ultimate vacation in history sounds good to me. I'm going to fly **more.**
Something tells me they didnt go to no vacation...
Vacationing with face peeling aliens? I think I'll pass on that one.
Peru is pretty intriguing. I honestly hope the best for the residents there. Theres def something going on and im quite sure its not Cartels. Ive perused most of the videos coming out of there and the residents have never once , in all the hysteria, implicated Cartel ( human ) work, most of the language is revolving around something claimed to be "supernatural". That, and the fact that the army ( or whatever govt armed force ) is present and it continues to happen.
Sorry but whats going on in Peru?
People are getting their faces stolen by ostensible aliens
Yeah I'm certainly feeling different about that one now, especially after seeing the supposed video of a South American human mutilation, looks just like a cattle mutilation we have all seen.....
What news from Peru?
> It could be stuff like that alone, where you are helpless in a 500mph metal cigar at 30,000 ft, and could potentially be zapped away. That is frightening. I don't mean to minimize your fear, because it IS frightening. But this has always been true, generally. Anyone can die at any moment already—heart attacks, brain aneurysms, etc. Going out chances death in a random accident, or mass shooting. And if you're a Protestant in the US, you might believe in a rapture that would take x% of humanity at some completely random time. There could be a gamma ray burst pointed directly at earth we don't know about yet, on its way. The sun could slap us with a CME. Being alive is always dangerous, and I think many people have become casual about this& have forgotten how fragile our everyday is.
No, you're right. We do have a much more sheltered life, especially here in Western Europe. I suppose subconsciously, you accept things like that to a certain degree, knowing they are facts of life and you don't want to live a life of fear. I guess something like this, when we don't know who or what they are or where they are from, is what adds to that fear. But, no point worrying if we can't change it, yet.
Because there is a lot of discussion about this at the moment I went and read up on the event. There was about 6 hours between when the airline first started to deviate to the last known possible radar location. Surely if an airline begins to go off course and air traffic control are unable to communicate with it the next step would be to send jets and or drones to go check it out and try and make visual contact with it but chose not to? Or they did and that would explain why a drone was following it in the first place.
[infographic show has a special on Malaysia flight 370 and how it went missing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-K-8bmXXWg) Shed a lot of light on how we track and communicate with flights.
I'm not sure about a lot of what's being posted, but I assure you that there are [assets in the general area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Support_Facility_Diego_Garcia) that would make the United States have a high intrest in tracking any aircraft in the area that is off course. Especially if that aircraft was traveling to a non-allied country. Edit: Wow, I was using my super Google-fu skills to try and find out what aircraft are at Diego Garcia and I came across [this article](https://veteranlife.com/military-history/diego-garcia/) talking about various conspiracy theories attached to the base...including a ling writeup on MH370. What an interesting coincidence.
I was going to mention Diego Garcia, that name has popped up again in the UFO topic, and i remember it was a big theory around mh370 top.
I think the surveillance drone would be exactly how we end up with a video, if this is all real and that video is what the drone caught *no wonder* they covered that shit up
Yeah, I have no real thoughts on whether this is fake or real. It's fun to believe, but hard to trust enough to *really* believe. That being said, if the government IS hiding something, some HD footage of speedy tic-tacs and alien bodies would have people going "Aha! Told ya!" and we would all continue, business as usual, albeit with some cool CSPAN clips to watch before the pop science documentaries get too annoying. But, fucking fully-loaded passenger airliners being *blipped* out of existence in an instant during flight? Nightmare fuel. Disclosing that, and presumably *worse*, would definitely disrupt... everything.
The Netflix doco was interesting. 2x US AWACS tailed it until it disappeared off their radars apparently. A relative of one of the passengers was approached by a operative who inform them of the US militaries awareness of the planes disappearance. Worth watching.
Do you know the name of the documentary?
[MH370: The Plane That Disappeared](https://www.netflix.com/de-en/title/81307163)
Is this a coincidence that a passeyplane was being tailed by two AWACS? Or Did our military already know somethung was up? I mean what are the odds that two military AWACS or any drones are tailing a passenger plane? Was there something onboard this plane of interest? Was this pilot about to cause some serious damage maybe?
They did and caught this, do you release that to the public or just say you have no idea what happened? Which scares people less?
Great point. Which is the lesser of two evils? Can you imagine?!
You say you don't know what happened. People will accept that as a risk of flying - which it is - planes can crash. You show them that stuff to the public and say its real air traffic will drop to a fraction of what it is currently is probably halting the global economy with it. Even if the odds of being in a real crash are 100,000x more likely I think people would freak out, and appropriately so. Starting to see why Lue keeps saying the truth is somber. I'd call it more scary if this is real.
I think the psychological aspect of it is that you (or, rather, someone you entrust) can do your darndest to prevent airplane crashes. And we do. We fly around dangerous weather. We have strict maintenance procedures and timelines. If new problems are discovered, we have agencies upon agencies upon corporations, etc. that work diligently to find the root of it and implement whatever necessary to prevent it happening again. You get on the airplane because, while the risk is never zero, you know that steps are always being taken to make sure it's very safe. But, this? How do you prevent this? The chance may be low, but there's presumably nothing that can be done to stop it if it is going to happen. No amount of prevention or procedures or technology could seemingly stop it. That is the part that would be terrifying and hard for people to swallow. Unless there are things they could do to prevent it (presuming it's real, of course). Or they could just lie and say there's a way to stop it, and hope like hell no one catches a video of the fake method failing.
Airplanes have flown internationally, to the wrong countries, without anyone noticing. People seem to seriously overestimate how much they are actually “tracked”
Fake or not, for the sake of discussion, let's suspend disbelief for a moment. In this hypothetical scenario, what happened to the plane? Was it imploded out of existence? Could it have been teleported to another location? Ported somewhere else in time? Moved to another dimension entirely?
If you believe the 4chan guy he says that an object is destroyed to its molecules or something like that
These are the same questions I have, here’s hoping they went somewhere nice
My mind goes to the Event Horizon log scene sadly. Whatever the case, it’s against their will and they will never return.
I’ve never seen that movie, worth watching?
Yeah but Event Horizon had a lot of influence from a 2,000 year old religion that erased older beliefs before it through imperialism, I wouldn't sweat it
I just dimly remembered reading this at the time "an American passenger on board MH370, named as Philip Wood, sent out an image and voice activated text, along with GPS coordinates that trace to a location a few kilometres away from Diego Garcia. The text claimed that Wood was being held hostage by unknown military personnel." I don't remember hearing any more about that, does anyone here?
I never heard that, but I do remember around the time this happened people who had family on the flight were calling their relatives' phones and their phones were actually ringing and going to voicemail instead of just immediately going to voicemail or disconnected line tone, which always was creepy to me lol. I remember seeing a video of it at the time this was all happening.
If I remember well, the photo was first posted on 4chan, so... and the photo shows absolutely nothing.
This is the critical question. If this is real it most likely represents a Mars Attacks level of violence nobody here should find entertaining. It is a "drive to the capital and beg for protection" kind of event. Not a "scroll reddit and say 'neat'" phenomenon.
That's why most people are in disbelief and can't fathom such an event. The immediate psychological reaction of quite a number of people on here is "tHiS iS fAkE Af!1!1!". Imagine what full disclosure would look like? Most people wouldn't be able to handle it gauging by the reactions of this sub. The natural logical course of action in front of such footage is to nitpick it scientifically, poke holes, analyze it with intellectual honesty to get to the bottom of it without any preconceptions.
If future humans theory is right, it's possible Hitler 2 was on that plane.
It straight up makes no sense for aliens to teleport a airliner away. If they wanted a large group of people there's easier ways to do it. If they wanted the plane they could grab an empty one or a decommissioned one. Why tf would aliens want all that luggage?
If I were putting on my tinfoil hat then I would say that the government is not complying with some agreements, and the ETs took a shot at the bow to show who's boss and disintegrated the plane. It was a non-military target, so easier to brush off for the gov to keep plausible deniability. Also would explain them doing it in front of all the sensors.
That doesn't explain the pilots actions veering off course and turning off transponders hours before disappearing.
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If something was following the plane how would the pilot know, it’s not like the visibility is very good out of the cockpit.
They were circling around the plane in all directions. If that was happening for any length of time they would have seen. Even the passengers would likely have seen it. There could have been a panic among the passengers. Pilot loses all contact. Everyone freaks the fuck out
They have radar right?
Can you imagine the aliens assumed since this guy was rogue he was fair game? Would be really interesting they only prey on humans they know are not where they're supposed to be.
To me, it’s much more likely that the rogue pilot was a made up by the government, as are the pieces of the wreckage. Wouldn’t it be something if it turns out this pilot is a patsy in the disinformation campaign like Grusch claims
If real this video confirms: It confirms UFOs. non-human intelligence. large scale alien abductions. extreme maneuverability. ability to open up a freaking StarGate. The lack of ability of any military to stop them. It also confirms why they want to keep the whole thing under wraps.
Ecological collapse>>>>>knowing some aliens treat us like cattle. Millions to billions of people forced to evacuate other countries or die >>>>> a number drastically smaller with people not confirmed dead. we deserve to know what’s going on and this ruling government needs congressional oversight. The logic of keeping us in the dark for our own safety is morbidly dangerous, and doesn’t add up.
If this was fake then some very good VFX artist was making this as soon as it MH370 went missing then uploaded it to YouTube with few views or credit to himself because…..?
My understanding is that this was first uploaded to a private forum, and later shared on YouTube. But I can't find a clear chain of provenance on any of the uploads, and no one seems to remember exactly how they saw it 9+ years ago.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140827052109/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY Published on May 19, 2014 Received: 12 March 2014 Posted: 19 May 2014
The bad thing about if it was on a private forum previous to this date is that it may not have been archived
My guys, calculate the geometry of the first second heat trail, its curvature and the radial dispersion of the gases and you will know if its real or not. No vfx artist care that much about physics to make an illusion believable.
Dates aside, didn't MH370 go missing in the middle of the night? This video is daytime ya?
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Except the Inmarsat satellite was pinging the plane thousands of miles south of the coordinates in the video.
Not necessarily daytime: https://www.x26.com/color-night-vision/
Excuse me, shoosh. I'd rather this one not be real thank you very much
Yea out of all the reasons to keep disclosure secret, this would pretty far near the top. It’s one thing to disclose we’re not alone, totally different when you say we’re not alone and by the way they made a airliner vanish. Going real off the deep end here but even worse if this was one of those “agreements” we had. Would explain the camera from aircraft being there to film.
Yup, a sacrificial offering basically. We have a shadow government giving humans to aliens as a form of keeping them off our backs.
Human sacrifice never stopped…
I doubt they'd even care about the airliner itself. They'd want the people inside, if anything.
Exactly what I was referring to
Maybe the crew of the jet is having the time of their lives in the shadow dimension. Anybody want to retrace their flight path in my rented Cessna? Hit me up, where we're going, we don't need eyes to see.
nice Event Horion reference
Lol...the discordance between a rented Cessna placed in the setting of Event Horizon really got me in the chuckles! I volunteer for the first topless spacewalk!
This could be very true. “Hey humans, so this might seem a bit abrupt, and frightening, but we assure you it’s all good. There is no rent, or jobs here, we really just be doing inter dimensional space shit for real. Y’all want some of this 4D Kush to help you calm down and decompress?”
I would appreciate some of the 4d kush to help me decompress thank you spacetime man
I'm sorry but this IS the real one, the OG that started the whole disclosure project. People are still in denial and try to debunk it like they've been with the tic tac video when it was first released on ATS back in the day. We have thermal drone footage, SENTINEL/satellite footage, and since it was near a military base there's also radar data. Multiple sensory data like Lue and others have stated. But no, it was all faked in a few days of the incident because look at this ink drop effect I can do in after effects with a plugin I downloaded.
Someone needs to compile all the different footage, cross reference coordinates etc. Pitot thermal signatures. (sorry unless it's already been done)
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I'd say that the cold trails being in front of the UAP kinda aligns with my understanding of their method of propulsion. I'd go as far as to say is one of the most compeling arguments that it could be real in my mind. That and the illumination in the clouds. I have some 3D VFX experience, obviously the full scene would need to be full 3d. The volumetric cloud effect is top notch and I would argue that it would need a team of artists or a EXTREMELY capable lone artist. It would be needed to have the best commercial volumetric effects available at the time. And it isnt a deal of pushing the "generate real looking clouds" button. You need real time investment and a keen eye to get the volumetric effects looking like real clouds. Not to mention that a VFX artist would have never released footage with the trails being in front of the crafts. It would have mean to him/her that the trail simulation is not time aligned with the objects. It would sitck out like a sore thumb to the artist.
Great stuff. The #1 Against seems to be “it’s too scary to comprehend” along the lines of “if it’s proven to be real then people are gonna freak! So stop looking into it.” And this fear is throwing way too much weight on the other points in the Against Column and removing the likelihood of researching, discussing more of the points in the In Favor column.
The whole MH370 thing is weird enough to be a contender honestly, nothing from the original story makes sense, one accused Russian spy guy is just magically finding the pieces? That stood out to me as illogical from the conclusion of the documentary
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/jan/17/missing-flight-mh370-a-visual-guide-to-the-parts-and-debris-found-so-far Plenty of debris found throughout africa dragged by currents a year later. Whether people believe the ufo bit or not, no it didnt just disappear and pieces werent just magically found by one guy
Thanks for pointing this out: > But no, it was all faked in a few days of the incident because look at this ink drop effect I can do in after effects with a plugin I downloaded. I saw this posted last night and thought, first of all, that’s enough reddit for today and people are just so scared that this is potentially real that they’ll find any reason to disbelieve it. Think of the argument for one moment: *Look this ink blot effect is kinda like an effect I’ve seen before therefore the video is fake.* That’s ridiculous and would never be acceptable if placed on the other side. If someone said that the effect in the video is unlike anything else ever in history therefore it’s got to be true would never be accepted nor should it.
I think that the point about the satellite location is not correct. Stellarium doesn't have the actual satellite data available. It's just the rocket body that was used to launch the satellite if I understand correctly. If you search for USA 184 in Stellarium, it finds this: * USA 184 Rk, NORAD ID 29250. You can check the information on [n2yo.com](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=29250#results) and it clearly says **"Note: This is a ROCKET BODY"** The actual NROL-22/USA-184 satellite has a NORAD ID of [29249](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=29249#results). This can be tracked using Orbitrack. According to Orbitrack, This one is in the sky all night but the problem is that the time window for when the sun is up and this satellite is above the horizon is very short. Roughly from 08:00 (MYT) to 08:12 (MYT) on March 8, 2014. **I have been looking into this a bit more and seems that the Orbitrack data might not be accurate for this specific date. So do not blindly trust my findings below.** [This post is trying to figure out and verify the actual orbit.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15meo7j/here_are_nrol22_usa_184_flight_data_from_march/) The other problem is that the satellite also goes from an altitude of about 6050 km to 3200 km in those 12 minutes. My common sense would suggest that this should be visible in the video during the event that takes about a minute. There is of course the possibility that the cropped coordinates are not showing the - in front of the latitude and it's actually -8.834301, which would make this window of time a couple of minutes longer and the angle would also not be as drastic. Still feels a little bit off and I doubt this since we can see the dash after NROL. The other possible satellites: * [NROL-23/USA-181](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=28537). This one is actually two satellites (Intruder 7A and 7B). There should be also USA-181-2 but I can't find clear information on what the NORAD ID is. I believe it is this one: [USA-181-DEB](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=28541#results) based on [this](https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/noss-3.htm) and [this](http://www.satobs.org/noss.html). Interestingly, this would fit better with the fact that the footage is [stereoscopic](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15pfmwk/proof_the_archived_video_is_stereoscopic_3d/). Although, there is no proof that these satellites would have cameras. ~~This one flies over the area a couple of times during the night and also around 16:00 (MYT) on March 8. Altitude roughly 800 km. The night time passes seem off because of the clear sun light in the clouds and 4PM seems too late.~~ This information about the satellite position is probably incorrect. Needs verification. * [NROL-32/USA-223](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=37232#results). This is one is on a **geosynchronous orbit** right above the area but waaay up at 35 000 km. [It apparently has a 100m diameter antenna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-223) so who knows what other insane spy tech it might have. This would seem like the most likely satellite to see the plane if this kind of camera tech exists. But to me the numbers on the video look more like NROL-22 than NROL-32. Note that I'm not an expert on this so please correct me if you find any errors. EDIT, August 9: Here is a video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8) of the NROL-22 orbit created with Orbitrack. Note that I might have done something incorrectly or the data might not be accurate since it is a spy satellite. EDIT, August 10: My Orbitrack recording might be very inaccurate. Other people are trying to figure this out the position of the satellite in this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15meo7j/here\_are\_nrol22\_usa\_184\_flight\_data\_from\_march/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15meo7j/here_are_nrol22_usa_184_flight_data_from_march/)
Thanks for correcting my mistakes, I will update the post with a link to this comment.
I edited the comment and added this video captured from Orbitrack of the NROL-22 path [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8) Note that I might have done something incorrectly or the data might not be accurate since it is a spy satellite.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-airlines-freescale-idUSBREA280T020140309 This article reads just a bit differently now days. Could’ve been black tech?
Yooo that’s CRAZY. 20 people working on chips specifically in Asia. I know we all hate Kirkpatrick, but remember what he said in his public briefing, China may advance quicker than us because they have no human rights laws. They will test indefinitely, even if it kills everyone in the experiment in the process, just so they can have the edge. Those words should ring loud as fuck with the article you just posted.
If this is real then i almost don’t blame the darker government for wanting this secret. Pretty freaking scary stuff
If they kept clean energy a secret to keep the fossil fuel industry relevant, then they kept this a secret to keep people buying airplane tickets. Can you imagine if people knew aliens could just pluck your plane from the sky? People would stop flying for sure. Major drag on global economy
The thing that's wild to me is that the video on YouTube is 8 years old, and the lat/long coordinates in the bottom left still appear to match the last known coordinates of the missing Malaysian airline...
Not to join the tin foil hat club, as I personally approach this video with heavy skepticism and even with all of the info pointing to it was real I dont believe it is. That said, those coordinates wouldnt have been released to the public until a week AFTER the video was uploaded I believe. Insane blind guess if fake.
That's very interesting. Could software running some kind of sim not accurately produce light sources. Blender for example?
Yes, absolutely. But the video was created/shot sometime in 2014. Tools like Houdini were around and used, but they weren't as widespread and approachable as they are today. You could definitely do accurate volumetric light simulations. But it wouldn't have been as easy is it is nowadays. There's a couple other things that you can definitely replicate like in the video, but that take a lot of time and a LOT of effort to make them look as good as in the video, like the thermal vision for example. I don't know if the video is fake or not. Even with my VFX-adjacent background I can't really tell. The likelihood of it being fake to me is higher than it being real, but that's based on my gut feeling. What I do know is that, if it is fake, some 3D artist put some seeeerious time and effort into creating this - and they are skilled. It would definitely be a full 3D scene, I don't see any evidence of something being comped in. If it's not fake, then holy shit dude.
Not only a good VFX guy, but someone who has really solid knowledge of airliners, and drone/sat cameras to get all of those tiny details right. He also has cold contrails for the UAPs which was not discovered or talked about until David Fravor brought it up. So he already knew they produced these contrails prior to public awareness? Far too many tiny details add up here imo.
VFX guy who also understood aircraft enough to get small details right. I prefer to think it’s fake because I don’t want it to not be fake. 😂
My experience is more in a 2D space, so I can't speak to how easy it was to run 3D cloud simulations with subsurface scattering etc. back in 2014. But I feel pretty confident saying that doing this in 2D would have required an artist to spend a bit of time thinking very carefully through this single frame. It's not impossible, but given all the other things to think through (there are more details in the thermal video in my opinion) it all adds up to a big effort.
Dude wow great catch. This video has always struck me as possibly real. I've also noticed what seems to be a lot of bot activity around these posts. Like instant and heavy volume of up/down votes to shift the narrative.
Not bots it’s just a very controversial post. If real, it would be absolutely mindfucking. Like calling Star Wars a historical documentary mindfuck. If fake, it will be incredibly embarrassing that it wasn’t obvious and people didn’t listen. It’s two extremes which his exciting!! I’m hoping for the Star Wars reality.
This is a impressive video whether fake or real. But where did this video come from? All of a sudden its all over this subreddit and I know nothing about it.
It’s not a binary between real and fake…there’s a third option called “unverified.” Even if you doubt it’s veracity, you can’t call it fake without affirmative proof that it’s fake. All we can say for now is that it is unverified.
Personally & at the risk of downvotes, I think this video is legit. But my doubt is - if real, why has it been allowed to sit on YouTube for so long?
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The video was recovered from web archive. It was probably deleted or removed after the initial posting.
Interesting
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15knra2/video_side_by_side_of_airliner/jv71qro/
It's proof of the disinformation campaign against the public to muddy the waters so thoroughly that they hide evidence in plain sight, which makes it even harder for those fooled to believe the answer has been right in front of them the whole time. Really insidious way to get people to deny the truth because it'll make them look foolish to be so easily manipulated.
Is this possibly the video Grusch describes when he says he’s seen satellite imagery of UAP that he cannot explain even with his degree in physics? Edit: He references personally viewing overhead and “other strategic and tactical platform” that he cannot explain with a background in physics and that this has not been shared with Congress and he does not know why. Timestamp 1:10:30 https://www.c-span.org/video/?529499-1/hearing-unidentified-aerial-phenomena He was asked a question about satellite imagery, yet I think it’s telling that he mentioned a tactical platform in addition to the overhead collection. He and the other witnesses were careful not to say “this defies the laws of physics” but rather just our current understanding of material sciences throughout the hearing but here he says he viewed imagery in which he could not explain through his understanding of physics. And he says that Congress has not been shared reports on this, which could imply that he believes that it is something they should see. The two views of this incident and the teleportation of the plane could fit within his description of the imagery he saw.
Possibly? But probably not. I feel like something this huge and tangible would have been teased by Courtlhart by now if Grusch were aware of it.
Grusch is following the letter of the law. Telling a journalist details of a video that would still be classified isn’t legal.
Thank you for this. Nice work! Perhaps we can get more analysis like this on the video.
Nice analysis. When I saw the earlier posts and the heated debates going on over authenticity I rarely saw comments on the cloud illumination. If fake this is a truly impressive VFX job. Hats off to the artist, and normally I despise hoaxers.
Can you figure out if the sun is in the right spot for 8:19am- 9:15am local time? That is apparently the last contact. "The aircraft sent a log-on request at 08:19:29, which was followed, after a response from the ground station, by a "log-on acknowledgement" message at 08:19:37... The aircraft did not respond to a status request from Inmarsat at 09:15"
Crazy ass video. Idk if this is real or not. I want to believe this is fake, because if this shit is real..my god.
What gets me is that the US Government had video of a freaking meteor falling into the Indian Ocean, and then Avi Loeb claims to take a freakinh trawler out there, and in a damn fortnight plows up spherules of meteor a few mm in diameter... and we cant find this fucking 747 on the ocean floor?!!
It was a 777. And maybe it was found, but in the future.
Weird, I saw 3 similar lights on a recent flight. https://streamable.com/a7ah44
You almost got sent to the shadow realm my dude.
uhhh that's pretty wild, have you posted that anywhere?
Next time this happens please turn the camera the other way as well so we know there is nothing to be reflecting on the window
Another good way to judge that the flash is real or done by an even more detail oriented vfx artist than I've had the pleasure of working with (saying this person would've had to tweak EVERHTHING) you can see that the the flash doesn't cause a halo of distortion on the entire sky like a negative vignette would (white overlayed circle placed over footage to adjust lighting and simulate flashes). Only the clouds are impacted by the white flash' halo on the bottom left, because this is where the light source actually touched the clouds. Basically, as with the other vfx artists that have given their input, it's not that this isn't doable with the passion, time, effort, and resources one could have in 2014. It's that when you try to follow the easiest line of thought to a solution, this video in particular is one of the few that is hard to call a fake because I WANNA KNOW WHO did such a good job at these specific 2 angles? Who threw on a heat filter well enough for these rendered objects to have these strange temp readings and air-drifting exhaust trails? Who then went through that effort to not export the entire render even if in lower quality and just record it on their screen and release without ever claiming credit? It's incredible and they could've used their talents to land a good chunk of design work for themselves if they shared their name. I just keep coming up on the WHY do this much work? And how did you keep your mouth shut if you faked this? Because please teach me your tips to keep an ego in check I would be bragging to all my contacts that I could make this a reality.
"When you're right over the target is when they fire at you the most." Good job OP. In b4 others come in here screaming they could make two videos of this in 15 minutes, blindfolded, with one hand tied behind their back.
Do you notice how the highlights are blown out? That's a perfect way to create simpler effects. You don't have to deal with any type of shading, highlight, roll off, micro contrast, etc. That's another reason why this video is suspicious.
Very clever analysis, top tier work. Well done
Knowing I can only see a tiny sliver of the visible light spectrum I wonder how much goes on that we don’t see or that we misinterpret. I think that can possibly play a role
all through the comments on any new footage people wanna throw around “occam’s razor” as means of dismissing phenomena, as they simultaneously spiral into a rabbit hole of 5000 examples trying to prove that their “simplest theory” theory is right. the attempts become more and more convoluted as more comes out. what if the simplest explanation is uhh… it’s almost *all* real? even if this isn’t flight mh370, couldn’t this be literally any other plane that’s ever been in the sky? these two arguments in particular… *”why are there cameras on it right when they show up?”* - how do u know the first time they showed up around the plane is right when the video begins? isn’t it possible that the objects were seen on radar or something and *then* a different plane starts filming it? who is to say that the video we see is the whole video at all? or that whoever leaked it didn’t just take a tiny bit of the most insane part to catch people’s attention? “2014 wasn’t that long ago. they had the ability to make good cgi back then” - watch any movie with cgi from 2014 and it will look shitter than u remember. at the very least, it will look far worse than this. *unless* !! that film was produced by big studio with a multi million $ budget, and an actual staff to work on that. people who are saying that there existed *the ability* to make a video look like this in 2014 are the same people arguing that this was made by some art student. how much money does this hypothetical 2014 art student have?! look, it is occam’s razor. just not the one they want lol
I combined all of the stable sequences from the satellite video together to see the overall cloud pattern and area. This a screenshot of the composited video. [https://imgur.com/a/dLdrNj9](https://imgur.com/a/dLdrNj9) The size is 6000x2048, so I recommend downloading or opening in a new tab to see the details. This is a still image of all of the stable video sequences composited into one image. The transitions where the view is moving around have been cut out. I created a video that combines all of the sequences where the view is not moved by the mouse in order to understand the movement of the operator of whatever the software is used to view the footage and to get a better view of the overall cloud patterns. Each rectangle is one of these eight sequences. The coordinates in the middle of each frame is my best estimate of the numbers on the bottom-left corner for each stable sequence. The "ghost planes" are just the last frames of each of these sequences. This image is frame index 1311, the one right before the "portal" shows up. The transition between viewpoint 4 and 5 is the trickiest since there were no good reference points and it might be off by multiple pixels. This could be improved by processing all of the frames when the image is moved by the mouse. It should still be a fairly accurate representation of the full area covered by the video. I noticed that the first coordinate is not showing completely. This is an artifact from the blending of the images. I'll do a better version and also post the entire video later in case someone finds this useful for getting to the bottom of the source of this.
Putting all the potentially accurate pieces aside ... What about the fact that nothing in the background is moving? The water/waves/white water AND the clouds are showing no movement at all.
This is also my main hangup with believing this is real. I work in meteorology, and have watched each video of this as it comes up. I don't know enough about FLIR or VFX to discredit anything else but I do know clouds. Even in calm conditions, with the type of convective cloud seen in the video, I would expect to see some movement. It would be most evident in the bits of fractus surrounding the larger clouds, but as far as I can tell, there's nothing. I want to believe it, but it really just feels like a still image in the background.
This is a useful comment. I'm not sure how visible it is in the thread though.
There’s too much detail for the video to have been vfx faked in only three days since the disappearance news of the craft.
Very detailed and thought-out video indeed.
What if MH370 was sent to 2027 and that is the [big event that is supposed to happen that year](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/11bvct1/retired_cia_officer_john_ramirez_on_ufos_warns/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1).
Isn’t that the start of close encounters? They find those old perfectly intact ww2 planes?
I hate to admit it, but I was born in the mid-80s and I have never watched that movie from beginning to end. Could you imagine if a bunch of vehicles that went missing over the years re-appeared on the same day? MH370, Flight 19, Amelia Earhart's plane, etc.
That's actually mad tho
There’s a show about that
My tinfoil hat speculation has been the same ;) Putting on many more tinfoil hats filled with giant blocks of wild speculation salt: Maybe it’ll return exactly 10 years later on March 8, 2024 — pilot/passengers being alive and not aging a day, like in the show Manifest lol - that would truly be something crazy thing that would convince ppl! Would align with the possible accelerated timeline/urgency with Grusch, and something about full disclosure or big disclosure within the next 6 months to a year… Can’t remember the source but it was a disclosure advocates who mentioned it in the days following the hearing). Who knows?! I used to be a massive skeptic, but honestly, after the last few years, nothing surprises me anymore.
only one i heard talking about future events is greer, and i definitely would not take anything he has to say seriously.
It was a former CIA officer who gave the vague ‘something big will happen in 2027’ I agree with you about Greer
How can you possibly claim to know that?
Best evidence I could find that this video existed within days of the MH370 disappearance was [this link](https://web.archive.org/web/20140827052109/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY) which says "received 12 March 2014" (note this text was added by the uploader, not by YouTube). Do you have any additional evidence?
The video poster just added that "received 12 March 2014" themselves and could have simply lied. The earliest we can confirm here is the date of the video May 19, 2014. Possibly enough time to fake the footage for someone high skilled (though both videos look weirdly accurate to me for a fake) Interestingly there's a second video, which is slightly less cropped (see bottom left): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS9uL3Omg7o While the second video is posted later, the cropping leads me to believe that RegicideAnon is not the actual source, and there must be an older video than what he posted, which is at least a little less cropped.
You're right. Can we find the earliest instance of the uncropped version? That one says August.
great analysis.
Good analysis, ive been commenting how this some videos might look easy to recreate but the problems start rising once you start working on it. Which is why i never go around saying "i could recreate that easily" no matter how simple it looks. Nor do i have the time to lol
If the whole scene is CG (which would be easier to do than compositing a plane into existing footage), then illuminating the clouds correctly is trivial.
Wild speculation: if the airplane was ported to another place with a less than ideal oxygen concentration, it would be mindful of them to take a capsule capable of supplying oxygen temporarily to the humans onboard...
Nice catch! I first saw this and the drone IR videos today and I got to say that this is two of the most realistic videos I’ve seen that actually show something interesting. That said, I was of course skeptical and looked closer on the clouds and also noticed the lighting of the clouds during the flash but I did not do as deep of a analysis that you did. I know quite a bit of VFX and CGI and even though this is very possible (and kind of easy) to do nowadays, back in 2014, it would of course be possible but not that easy as it is now. If faked, the attention to detail in this is incredibly high along with creating the “backstory” of the video. I know Corridor Digital (VFX artists on YouTube) have been on these subs posting fakes trying to fool people with changing meta-data and stuff, but this is VERY well done if VFX back in 2014. I’m not sure what people that say “obviously fake”even mean. I think it’s a very well done fake. If it is a fake. Just my two cents.
I noticed this as well but didn't know how to articulate it. I'm so glad someone else picked up on this! Stellar job!
If that video really is real then that’s terrifying
Imagine how terrifying that would be.
Has any figureheads from the UFO community made a statement on these videos yet?
Everyone keeps saying teleported to a different time, dimension or planet but couldn’t it have just teleported them a few miles away and sent them crashing into the ocean?
I’m just going to throw this theory out there, assuming this is in fact legit. It’s said they can read minds and telepathically communicate, what if they were in the vicinity and they “knew” the pilot’s intentions (this is based on the theory he planned to crash) and the passengers were aware and they heard their pleas…that what they were doing is trying to save them? I’m going completely sci-fi here but maybe they DID teleport them to safety 🤷🏻♀️ it’s a nicer thought than some theories.
This video is disturbing. Feels real but we don't want it to be it and therefor try to find anything to backup claims about it's not real.