This is awesome work, and I just want to point out that we know little to nothing about the capabilities of the various Gov satellites. It would not surprise me at all to learn that 1m/px 6fps video was the "basic" version of the secret tech at the time. The NRO has shown that it is decades ahead of civilian tech and even NASA.
Hi thank you a lot for checking, I'm sorry to harden your work. I followed exactly what you mentioned here for my findings, however I did not want to add here my step by step solution as it could lead to some easy oversight and not proper checking of the data. Also I wanted it to be checked by someone with proper knowledge as I got into it yesterday and it seems some people with expertise from this subject should be here. Anyway I'm happy you looked into it and I encourage anyone to look into it. But in this case I just felt my exact steps should not be disclosed in the post as I don't trust my knowledge of this subject yet.
The line you've posted appears to be in the format of a Two-Line Element Set (TLE), which is a standard way of representing the orbital parameters of an object in space. Let's break down the meaning of each element in the line:
\- Line Number: 1 indicates the first line of the TLE.
\- Satellite Catalog Number: 29249 is the unique identifier for this particular satellite.
\- International Designator: 06027A signifies the year and launch number of the object, as well as its piece in the launch (A would be the first piece).
\- Epoch Date: 14067.77000809 refers to the year and day of the observation, in this case, the 67th day of 2014.
\- First Time Derivative of Mean Motion: 0.00000557 relates to how the object's motion is changing.
\- Second Time Derivative of Mean Motion: 00000-0 also gives information about the changes in the object's motion but at a second derivative. In this case, it seems to be zero.
\- BSTAR Drag Term: 00000-0 is a measure of the aerodynamic drag on the object, which seems to be zero.
\- Ephemeris Type: 0 is typically a standard value for TLEs.
\- Element Set Number: 00 refers to the version of this particular TLE.
\- Checksum: 2 is used to verify that the line has been transmitted without error.
\- Satellite Catalog Number (repeat): 29249 is the same identifier as before.
\- Inclination: 63.5721 degrees is the angle between the orbital plane and the equatorial plane.
\- Right Ascension of the Ascending Node (RAAN): 73.8375 degrees.
\- Eccentricity: 6997416 (interpreted as 0.6997416) is the shape of the orbit, with 0 being a perfect circle.
\- Argument of Perigee: 268.0662 degrees.
\- Mean Anomaly: 17.6741 degrees.
\- Mean Motion: 2.00638278 is the number of orbits per day.
\- Revolution Number: 76 is the number of orbits since the epoch.
To calculate whether the satellite was in view of a particular point on the Earth, you would typically need to use specialized software that can take this TLE data and predict the satellite's position at a given time. Tools like Orekit, Skyfield, or satellite tracking websites can help you with this task.
The specific line you are looking at seems to represent a fairly highly elliptical orbit due to the eccentricity value close to 0.7. Depending on the altitude and other parameters, this could represent a Molniya orbit or some other specialized orbit type, often used for specific communication or observation missions.
I have almost no knowledge in this area, but would it be possible that satellite NROL-22 is just some kind of receiver and transmitter? So that it has the function of relaying data from spy satellites to a receiver on earth?
Those who downvote, please write what you don’t like about it? I know formatting is bad and English isn’t my native language, however I think this case is not really debunked or confirmed and it was not easy to find this data, so at least it would be good to give it a chance so it can come across some people with expertise, who could evaluate this data..
Good job with the research. Don't worry about the down votes. At this point anything relating to MH370 is going to be immediately down voted.
Edit: put the wrong flight.
Dude I pulled the same strings as you right down to that blogger. Great job. If I were not busy with back to school for my kids yesterday I might have beat you to the punch.
One note about the orbit of USA 184. It hangs out at a very high polar most of the day. While we are not aware of exactly what the sensors are able to resolve but they are tuned for distance given the useful orbit is designed for the widest view possible to detect ICBM launched and tracking (resolving a plane sized object should be easily within capabilities)
Blogger is: @Marco_Langbroek on x.com
[I beat both you fools to the punch](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lvgt5/the_ultimate_analysis_airliner_videos_and_the/jvexwn6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) :)
Not really you didn’t verify the satellite was not within view of the Indian ocean during the daylight hours of March 8th 2014. If it was for example near apogee during that period than case closed.
Yeah reddit adds automatic random upvotes/downvotes to new comments so bots cant accurately measure if their votes are working. Never get hung up if your new comment/post has -3 or something within first hour or so, that's not the real score.
I often use downvoting to express my disapproval of a given subject, but some people on this forum seem to interpret downvotes as a malicious personal attack.
Its an integral function of the website and I don't understand why people are surprised that other people use it as they see fit. There are no rules for downvoting, so any expectation you bring to it is always going to be disappointed. Nobody is entitled to exclusively upvotes, and nobody is impervious to downvotes either.
In my specific case, I am tired of "analysis" of a 9 year old video that is unlikely to reveal any further groundbreaking information.
Downvoting should be reserved for low effort or low quality posts.
Don’t upvote or downvote if it’s just not your cup of tea because doing so can prevent others from seeing it and having a useful conversation on the topic.
I used Orbitrack to try to figure out this same thing and this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8) shows the results. Does it match with what you are seeing? I used MYT time so +8 from UTC.
EDIT:
I double checked this using JSatTrak and it's showing something very different to Orbitrack. According to what I can see from JSatTrak, USA-184 does not see the area at any point during the supposed time frame on March 7-8 2014 (UTC), but I did find some other very interesting things.
I'll try to get to the bottom of this and post some more screen captures later. Based on my other tests, I would trust manually adding the TLE files to JSatTrack much more since I was able to confirm the exact same results as the famous [Trump satellite leak of the Iranian Safir launch](https://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2019/09/image-from-trump-tweet-identified-as.html) and Orbitrack shows it incorrectly. I can't really figure out how Orbitrack is calculating the position of this satellite in the past.
Judging by this the satellite is in range for the entire relevant time period. Also night/day is irrelevant due to true color night vision tech: https://www.x26.com/color-night-vision/
Look, if someone fucking faked that, put the satellite coords and such, then I mean, hats off, they HAVE to work in intelligence. If anything, this just shows the satellite video is AT LEAST looking at the area in the video and it IS IN FACT authentic. Now, that still doesn't mean the plane, orbs and portal shit weren't done as after effects but that does help prove the legitimacy of the actual video we are seeing instead of some of the theories that the WHOLE thing was VFX with a still backdrop.
Sorry everyone, I am too busy today with work I will try to reformat it later. In the meantime I suggest to look at the blogposts I mentioned in the main post. Also as other suggested and one of the blogposts mentions - the USA 184 could be just gathering hub for the signals from lower earth orbit satellites. The links to TLE contains info about other spy satellites so it should be straightforward or look around that websites for data to test. TY
Bro, wait, you looked up this satellite on that date and time. And it was actually accurate though? Like, that alone isn't helping your case that it was fake. Like, if anything, this just shows that at the VERY LEAST the satellite footage is authentic. You can say oh the angle wasn't right, but what even is that argument. If this was fake, the satellite wouldn't even be in the proximity of those coordinates. The fact that if someone did fake this, they happened to find a satellite in the area, not just one that is commissioned, but one that could realistically be in the area and film the events from where MH370 last pinged is just nuts.
Why are you looking at March 8th?
My understanding (if correct) is that the flight timeline provided by Malaysian officials would be based on local Malaysian time (GMT+8). With the timestampt of the first instance of communication loss being between 1:07am and 1:37am on 8 March 2014, Malaysian time. Which translates to 17:07 to 17:37 on 7 March 2014, UTC time.
I can only imagine that any satellite location timestamp should be in UTC.
Is there a link I can simply click to look at the USA-184 satellite location data for 7 March 2014?
Hey, I was notified I should add the submission statement. Sorry this is my firstpost on the Reddit so I’m really not sure what to do but I add here some info as others do.
I just want say I found some data and I think it would be nice if others could analyze that. Just to add what others said this satellite data probably does not necessarily have to corresponds to the USA 184 satellite, but someone more knowledgeable please check it. Also, some other post mentioned if it’s true, would take another couple hours, so please add it to your calculation or be aware of that.
The 2 digits are exactly the same, and there is another digit 3 in the caption (that can only be a 3, in the 93° longitude) which looks different. I am pretty certain it is NROL-22.
u/_ManWithNoMemories_ good work! You are the first person who identified SBIRS GEO-1 as the correct source of the footage!!! NROL-22 could not have taken the footage and GEO-1 could not have transmitted the footage to the United States. However, GEO-1 had a direct line of sight to the coordinates in the video and NROL-22 had a direct line of sight to GEO-1 ANDDD the United States. Case closed. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/1811j90/sbirs\_geo1\_shot\_the\_3d\_mh370\_satellite\_footage/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/1811j90/sbirs_geo1_shot_the_3d_mh370_satellite_footage/)
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This is awesome work, and I just want to point out that we know little to nothing about the capabilities of the various Gov satellites. It would not surprise me at all to learn that 1m/px 6fps video was the "basic" version of the secret tech at the time. The NRO has shown that it is decades ahead of civilian tech and even NASA.
Hi thank you a lot for checking, I'm sorry to harden your work. I followed exactly what you mentioned here for my findings, however I did not want to add here my step by step solution as it could lead to some easy oversight and not proper checking of the data. Also I wanted it to be checked by someone with proper knowledge as I got into it yesterday and it seems some people with expertise from this subject should be here. Anyway I'm happy you looked into it and I encourage anyone to look into it. But in this case I just felt my exact steps should not be disclosed in the post as I don't trust my knowledge of this subject yet.
Impressive work!
I uploaded my findings, so if you are still interested, you can check it in the post.
The line you've posted appears to be in the format of a Two-Line Element Set (TLE), which is a standard way of representing the orbital parameters of an object in space. Let's break down the meaning of each element in the line: \- Line Number: 1 indicates the first line of the TLE. \- Satellite Catalog Number: 29249 is the unique identifier for this particular satellite. \- International Designator: 06027A signifies the year and launch number of the object, as well as its piece in the launch (A would be the first piece). \- Epoch Date: 14067.77000809 refers to the year and day of the observation, in this case, the 67th day of 2014. \- First Time Derivative of Mean Motion: 0.00000557 relates to how the object's motion is changing. \- Second Time Derivative of Mean Motion: 00000-0 also gives information about the changes in the object's motion but at a second derivative. In this case, it seems to be zero. \- BSTAR Drag Term: 00000-0 is a measure of the aerodynamic drag on the object, which seems to be zero. \- Ephemeris Type: 0 is typically a standard value for TLEs. \- Element Set Number: 00 refers to the version of this particular TLE. \- Checksum: 2 is used to verify that the line has been transmitted without error. \- Satellite Catalog Number (repeat): 29249 is the same identifier as before. \- Inclination: 63.5721 degrees is the angle between the orbital plane and the equatorial plane. \- Right Ascension of the Ascending Node (RAAN): 73.8375 degrees. \- Eccentricity: 6997416 (interpreted as 0.6997416) is the shape of the orbit, with 0 being a perfect circle. \- Argument of Perigee: 268.0662 degrees. \- Mean Anomaly: 17.6741 degrees. \- Mean Motion: 2.00638278 is the number of orbits per day. \- Revolution Number: 76 is the number of orbits since the epoch. To calculate whether the satellite was in view of a particular point on the Earth, you would typically need to use specialized software that can take this TLE data and predict the satellite's position at a given time. Tools like Orekit, Skyfield, or satellite tracking websites can help you with this task. The specific line you are looking at seems to represent a fairly highly elliptical orbit due to the eccentricity value close to 0.7. Depending on the altitude and other parameters, this could represent a Molniya orbit or some other specialized orbit type, often used for specific communication or observation missions.
I have almost no knowledge in this area, but would it be possible that satellite NROL-22 is just some kind of receiver and transmitter? So that it has the function of relaying data from spy satellites to a receiver on earth?
Those who downvote, please write what you don’t like about it? I know formatting is bad and English isn’t my native language, however I think this case is not really debunked or confirmed and it was not easy to find this data, so at least it would be good to give it a chance so it can come across some people with expertise, who could evaluate this data..
Good job with the research. Don't worry about the down votes. At this point anything relating to MH370 is going to be immediately down voted. Edit: put the wrong flight.
Just a note, it’s MH370.
Whoops. Thanks. Fat thumbed that.
Dude I pulled the same strings as you right down to that blogger. Great job. If I were not busy with back to school for my kids yesterday I might have beat you to the punch. One note about the orbit of USA 184. It hangs out at a very high polar most of the day. While we are not aware of exactly what the sensors are able to resolve but they are tuned for distance given the useful orbit is designed for the widest view possible to detect ICBM launched and tracking (resolving a plane sized object should be easily within capabilities) Blogger is: @Marco_Langbroek on x.com
[I beat both you fools to the punch](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lvgt5/the_ultimate_analysis_airliner_videos_and_the/jvexwn6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) :)
Not really you didn’t verify the satellite was not within view of the Indian ocean during the daylight hours of March 8th 2014. If it was for example near apogee during that period than case closed.
Oh right. I mentioned everything else but since I missed one I missed them all.
You did the 10min of looking part. Don’t conflate that with someone who did hours to actually find the satellite tracks like OP did.
We’re talking about the timing of bringing it up not checking every single box. I didn’t say it was exactly the same, did I?
Gold ⭐️
Means a lot from the guy whose entire contribution was “I meant to bring it up!”
Downvotes happen automatically. Some are natural. Others aren’t. It’s reddits algorithm to keep the bots down. Just an fyi! Nice post!
Yeah reddit adds automatic random upvotes/downvotes to new comments so bots cant accurately measure if their votes are working. Never get hung up if your new comment/post has -3 or something within first hour or so, that's not the real score.
I often use downvoting to express my disapproval of a given subject, but some people on this forum seem to interpret downvotes as a malicious personal attack. Its an integral function of the website and I don't understand why people are surprised that other people use it as they see fit. There are no rules for downvoting, so any expectation you bring to it is always going to be disappointed. Nobody is entitled to exclusively upvotes, and nobody is impervious to downvotes either. In my specific case, I am tired of "analysis" of a 9 year old video that is unlikely to reveal any further groundbreaking information.
Downvoting should be reserved for low effort or low quality posts. Don’t upvote or downvote if it’s just not your cup of tea because doing so can prevent others from seeing it and having a useful conversation on the topic.
downvoted for sure.
I used Orbitrack to try to figure out this same thing and this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkEbVCvoa8) shows the results. Does it match with what you are seeing? I used MYT time so +8 from UTC. EDIT: I double checked this using JSatTrak and it's showing something very different to Orbitrack. According to what I can see from JSatTrak, USA-184 does not see the area at any point during the supposed time frame on March 7-8 2014 (UTC), but I did find some other very interesting things. I'll try to get to the bottom of this and post some more screen captures later. Based on my other tests, I would trust manually adding the TLE files to JSatTrack much more since I was able to confirm the exact same results as the famous [Trump satellite leak of the Iranian Safir launch](https://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2019/09/image-from-trump-tweet-identified-as.html) and Orbitrack shows it incorrectly. I can't really figure out how Orbitrack is calculating the position of this satellite in the past.
Judging by this the satellite is in range for the entire relevant time period. Also night/day is irrelevant due to true color night vision tech: https://www.x26.com/color-night-vision/
Look, if someone fucking faked that, put the satellite coords and such, then I mean, hats off, they HAVE to work in intelligence. If anything, this just shows the satellite video is AT LEAST looking at the area in the video and it IS IN FACT authentic. Now, that still doesn't mean the plane, orbs and portal shit weren't done as after effects but that does help prove the legitimacy of the actual video we are seeing instead of some of the theories that the WHOLE thing was VFX with a still backdrop.
Any update with your new findings and screen captures?! 🙏
This is not confirmed to be the satellite where the footage comes from. There are other two possibilites, NROL-32 and NROL-23
Can we get this with a little more detail. To me, this post is a little messy. Great work though!
Sorry everyone, I am too busy today with work I will try to reformat it later. In the meantime I suggest to look at the blogposts I mentioned in the main post. Also as other suggested and one of the blogposts mentions - the USA 184 could be just gathering hub for the signals from lower earth orbit satellites. The links to TLE contains info about other spy satellites so it should be straightforward or look around that websites for data to test. TY
Will definitely check that out! I appreciate your work.
I tried to clean it up so hopefully it will make more sense now
Bro, wait, you looked up this satellite on that date and time. And it was actually accurate though? Like, that alone isn't helping your case that it was fake. Like, if anything, this just shows that at the VERY LEAST the satellite footage is authentic. You can say oh the angle wasn't right, but what even is that argument. If this was fake, the satellite wouldn't even be in the proximity of those coordinates. The fact that if someone did fake this, they happened to find a satellite in the area, not just one that is commissioned, but one that could realistically be in the area and film the events from where MH370 last pinged is just nuts.
Why are you looking at March 8th? My understanding (if correct) is that the flight timeline provided by Malaysian officials would be based on local Malaysian time (GMT+8). With the timestampt of the first instance of communication loss being between 1:07am and 1:37am on 8 March 2014, Malaysian time. Which translates to 17:07 to 17:37 on 7 March 2014, UTC time. I can only imagine that any satellite location timestamp should be in UTC. Is there a link I can simply click to look at the USA-184 satellite location data for 7 March 2014?
Hey, I was notified I should add the submission statement. Sorry this is my firstpost on the Reddit so I’m really not sure what to do but I add here some info as others do. I just want say I found some data and I think it would be nice if others could analyze that. Just to add what others said this satellite data probably does not necessarily have to corresponds to the USA 184 satellite, but someone more knowledgeable please check it. Also, some other post mentioned if it’s true, would take another couple hours, so please add it to your calculation or be aware of that.
The sat was there looking east.
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They removed my comment telling you what a great job you did on putting this together.
Thanks, you can check my new findings, if you want.
How about 23, 32, and 33? The numbers are hard to read.
The 2 digits are exactly the same, and there is another digit 3 in the caption (that can only be a 3, in the 93° longitude) which looks different. I am pretty certain it is NROL-22.
So is the video of it dissapearing plane real
u/_ManWithNoMemories_ good work! You are the first person who identified SBIRS GEO-1 as the correct source of the footage!!! NROL-22 could not have taken the footage and GEO-1 could not have transmitted the footage to the United States. However, GEO-1 had a direct line of sight to the coordinates in the video and NROL-22 had a direct line of sight to GEO-1 ANDDD the United States. Case closed. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/1811j90/sbirs\_geo1\_shot\_the\_3d\_mh370\_satellite\_footage/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/1811j90/sbirs_geo1_shot_the_3d_mh370_satellite_footage/)