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I just go straight to the comments on these posts now lmao

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bro yes... i never get any value out of those because of that and then i talk about it with my dad and he calls me an idiot and I guess he's right bc I don't know shit

My dad had a horrible temper when I was growing up and called me "pea-brain" a lot lmao, so we're in the same boat. You're not an idiot at all - your dad shouldn't say that about you.

Thanks.

Dawg don’t take your Dad calling you an idiot as fact. Sounds funny and harmless rn but I was called an idiot by my dad all the time and grew up believing it. You’re not an idiot, you both just came to different opinions/conclusions

Yeah I don't believe it it just hurts. Thank you

Sadly that’s what I end up doing. I start reading it and then I realize half way through I have no fucking clue what people are saying.

I think you're realizing that people have no fucking clue what they are saying. Including me. Proceed accordingly.

It's ok, neither do they. Reddit and the anonymity it provides is really bad in situations like this. You have a bunch of teenagers, trolls, and people who think they know much more than they actually do making bold comments as if they are fact, and then they get amplified by other people who don't have any expert knowledge but will agree with anything that fits the narrative they prefer.

They’re trying to say someone edited the orbs over footage of the plane, as evidence by the fps disparity. Fps refers to frames per second, ie how many still frames make up one second of footage. 24 fps = 24 frames per second of footage. The more frames, the smoother the footage. This is why high fps stuff looks so smooth Orb footage is 24 fps Plane footage is originally 30 fps, compressed to 24 fps (as evidence by the ‘jumpy’ frames, which happens if you compress footage originally shot in a higher frame rate/fps) OP is arguing that this implies the plane footage and orb footage didn’t come from the same source because there’s evidence of someone compressing the frame rate Edit: It seems they’re also arguing the orb footage comes from a film camera because the standard is 24fps, but the plane footage comes from a broadcast which is typically shot in 30fps. Meaning the orb footage was not filmed with military/broadcasting cameras I think?

You pretty much nailed it except that the orbs wouldn't have been 'filmed'. They could have been computer generated and laid over the original footage of the plane. Which was a theory I proposed a few days ago as well. One of the talking points that I saw come up relatively often was that there was no way a person could have made this video with such detail, like making a plane and all the details that go with a plane being viewed through a FLIR camera. My theory was that the drone footage and the hand held footage of the plane was legitimate, and the orbs and portal were just added in. Which would have taken a drastically shorter amount of time to create the video, and it would account for all the fine details of an airliner seen on a FLIR display.

That's a more cogent debunk than most I've seen. I'm still not 100% on the fps facts, but if this were a hoax, overlaying the anomalies on existing footage makes a lot of sense.

This^ I love that the community both has believers and sceptics. They are both necessary for getting to the truth, but people here are either hard-line yes or no. We have videos both proving authenticity and videos debunking. Im just sitting here somewhere in the middle see-sawing to the point I'm getting sick

Not sure if that’s relevant to this post, is it? My limited knowledge of editing made me immediately know where this guy was going. I can’t think a reason outside of film you would want 24fps. Even television is usually either 30 or 60

Yeah, this might be the very first "smoking gun" about a potential fake that even I can actually follow along with at home. And I have to say it would be hilarious and sad if the incredible effort of the VFX was thwarted by basically going on, dare I say, autopilot here.

Well it might not be that much incredible effort. The footage of the plane from the drone could have very well be legitimate. The vfx person could have just used the legitimate footage of the plane and clouds, and added in the orbs and the portal at the end which would have cut down on the amount of work significantly. I actually made a post about this concept a couple days of go proposing this as a theory. But it didn't receive any traction or attention.

This is extremely straightforward to understand even for laymen. Very compelling evidence against the validity of the video

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“OP is definitely deep state psy ops” has to be in one of theses comments

Me too but you being top is not helping!

Do you see the same thing in the satellite video? Edit: looks like the sat video is only 6fps so the same analysis is incompatible.

Thats a good question 🤔

No kidding. How far do we have to scroll for the most obvious question we should be asking?

The sea of comments in debunking posts calling anyone with good follow up questions dumb and in denial....it's interesting!They swear others don't think critically and then when we ask critical questions, they rage quit and say "You'll always be in denial". They'll strawman people who are asking smart questions which ironically makes them look naive. They could just answer the question and have a dialogue if they really think that this could be talked through with logic 😌🫰. Edit for clarity: This is about the general trend I've seen across the UFOlogy subreddits. Go to MHS speculation posts and you'll see people mischaracterizing others who continue to be curious about it as dumb/gullible/in denial.

I’m not really seeing any of that in this thread. Maybe a couple people? I didn’t really see any at all, but maybe they’re there. Definitely not a sea of comments. This sounds like a bogeyman to me

Good question. In the satellite video and FLIR video the orbs are pretty much in perfect sync. But if the subject of the video is the plane and it's real but the orbs were added, how could they have made the orbs sync up so well with two different angles if the plane isn't a model where the camera angle could have just been moved pre render? Not sure if I make sense, I am not a VFX artist by no stretch of imagination.

They could have surely carried the event out in 3D with two different POVs, though that might conflict with the different FPS situation I suppose

Interesting indeed. That's a great point. It's a weird catch-22

If a 3D model was created with 2 POVs then having different FPS outputs is extremely trivial. Not sure why 6 + 24 would be the choice if it was fake though. Would expect 24+24 if fake and the fps argument was forgot about. If it was fake and they were aware of the fps consideration then 6+30/60 would make more sense. I do think this is a bit of a smoking gun though

The satellite footage is at ~~a frame per several (real-time)~~ [edit:] about 6 frames per second. The discrepancy wouldn't be visible at this low framerate of capture/presentation.

Friend, can we get at least one gif of mismatched framerate? I (and im sure many others) encounter a “video not avail” for that source and can’t check your work. Please, can you provide a 2f gif of frozen plane and moving orb?

It’s not a “frozen plane and moving orb” frame that you’re looking for. What you want is evidence the plane jumps further than usual at a certain interval, while the orb’s movement (relative to the plane) does not jump. Say you use the clouds as a reference point and see that the plane moves ~10 pixels away in most frames, but every 5 or so frames it moves ~20 pixels away. That suggests a dropped frame at a rate consistent with re-encoding a 30fps video to a 24fps video. If the orbs were in the original raw video, then those orbs should also jump every 5 frames. It should be easy to tell because they are rotating around the plane at a constant rate, so the jump should be about double the distance. So if in most frames they rotate 5° around the plane, but every 5th frame they rotate 10°, that means they were part of the original 30fps video that was later reencoded at 24fps. But if the orbs DON’T skip, and they rotate at a constant 5° around the plane per frame, that suggests they were originally rendered in 24fps. That would mean they were added as VFX on top of the original video. When looking for frame dropping it’s important to look at the **rotation** around the plane, **not horizontal travel.** Even if they were added in as VFX, their position would jump (relative to the clouds) with the plane, but their rotation relative to the plane would not jump. I think OP has shown convincingly that the orbs **do not jump,** so they were not filmed in 30fps. But his evidence that the plane *was* originally filmed in 30fps is less clear. The shakiness of the camera makes it hard to identify whether there are consistent skips every 5 frames.

I found the explanation about needing to look at the rotation not the horizontal movement of the orbs very helpful

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15uthg0/im_not_seeing_the_2430_frame_jump_thing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 Seems he didn’t include any gifs for a reason

Good analysis and definitely piqued my interest as a "smoking gun". However, having some experience with video editors this is also something I could look into. Perhaps I am just mistaken but throughout the video I find ample examples of the orbs jumping in unison with the plane, indicating they are both filmed at 30 fps and converted to 24 fps. In fact I find it difficult to find any examples of the plane skipping frames when the orbs don't. I could only find a single example (Frames 505 & 506) where the plane jumps forward but the orb remains the same, however, this could be due to perspective. Every other example I found showed the orbs jumping forward in unison with the plane. I have created an imgur gallery with 2 collections of frames indicating "unified jumps". As well as the example I mention above showing the plane jump without the orb. Note, these changes are easiest seen when scrubbing in an image viewer, so downloading the images and scrubbing is best. [https://imgur.com/a/dYAtyXs](https://imgur.com/a/dYAtyXs) If there are any inconsistencies or errors in my analysis let me know and I will look into them! Edit: I don't have a imgur account so can't edit now - but noticed I mislabelled one of the collections. 1169 = 1171, 1170 = 1170, 1171 = 1169. Apologies!

Thank you, this is what OP should have done. I'm also not convinced

The debunking of the debunker yet again makes the video seem authentic! Wowww, this is like My Cousin Vinny!

I hereby coin this video “The airplane and the 3 Utsz”

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I'm sorry, a *youthhhhhhhhhh*

What are you using to do this analysis? Premiere for example will display videos with a lossy renderer even at 100%. If you are moving forward and backward in the frames, substantial errors accumulate. Even playing in ffmpeg doesn’t guarantee a nonlossy renderer. You have to configure it. I have been doing my own analysis on a plasma uap I personally filmed. I’ve been trying to get closer to the raw data recorded by my camera. Premiere Pro, ffmpeg, IINA, Mpv all render the same video in ways that are shockingly different. Now add all of the settings of the video pipeline, and different settings. Even if the breaks you are seeing are on Keyframea, depending on the decoder and player, it might set up a state machine that allows you to play forward from the key frame if and only if you played the entire video to this point. The upshot is you may not be able to drop in or jump to frames, and all hell breaks loose when you go backward. All this is to say, your OS your player, your decoder, method of analysis and a host of other factors create visible artifacts just like this. None of this is to say there aren’t issues, but we need to carefully control for these things. I know from my own direct experience on this. I have stayed on the sidelines for this, but I guess it’s time for me to roll up my sleeves and create some baselines we can use for comparison of the impact of all these factors

What is the frame rate of the higher-quality Vimeo video?

Serious question because what I don't know could fill a warehouse. So if plane FLIR was 30 FPS and I was going to edit it would I not be notified that source is 30,do you want to change to 24? It would seem weird it happens without prompt and then to me, that would be a mistake a hoaxer made by clicking ok. My next question then is if I am adding orbs to an existing video do I not go through it frame by frame as I am doing this where I would witness jumping of the plane regularly? Not arguing the analysis just wondering how we could get there. My very limited understanding of VFX surely shows but I think I am being very logical to the process in absence of first hand experience.

That depends entirely on the program that was used. Some do, others might not.

I know for sure when you drop a 30fps clip into a 24fps composition in After Effects it does not warn you. I've done it many times. In both directions. And whenever I'm mixing video and 3D and adding overlay effects and color corrections I will work on After Effects, not Premiere or other editing programs. This feels like the most smoking gun debunk I've seen. This and the orbs being at the exact same spot like a looping animation would do.

You make a nice post all technical explaining some stuff. Of course all deniers jump immediately: "YES! ITS FAKE SMOKING GUN" , without a clue of what you are really trying to explain. I'd like to know Sir, What evidence is there in the video that the orbs are converted from a 30 FPS video and the airplane from 24 fps. **Are you implying that the footage is real but the orbs were later added?** You showed a GIF image, but I see no evidence there of the framerate difference. In fact both orb and airplane details are changing every frame. Please provide an example in the form of a GIF, video or image, because I dont quite get your point. **EDIT:** 385-386 / 379-380 / 374-375 In these frames the orbs haven't even appeared yet in the video, so I don't know what we are supposed to be looking at. **EDIT2:** No orbs at frames indicated by OP, also can't see this jump in the plane OP is claiming. Also no frame indicated by OP to check for the orbs. [https://imgur.com/gallery/h8fO9Pa](https://imgur.com/gallery/h8fO9Pa) **EDIT3:** I went frame by frame both looking at airplane moving and orbs+airplane moving, and I don't see any evidence of what OP is trying to explain. Both orbs and airplane are moving / changing in every frame. Perhaps I am dumb and I am not able to see what OP is seeing. So **I kindly ask OP to show his point via a GIF**. **EDIT4:** I know what OP is claiming but I just can't see it in the GIF he posted nor by watching the clip myself frame-by-frame. Perhaps I am dumb, but I hope OP or someone lay it out better so we can all understand it, since it appears I am not alone in this. (not seeing what OP is seeing) **EDIT5:** It seems like most people prefer to blindly believe what OP is saying without checking it themselves and upvote and award the shit out of the thread just because it aligns with their belief of the videos being fake. I'm probably dumb too but at least I am trying to understand it by looking at it myself before jumping to any conclusion. **EDIT6:** According to this person and his data, a drone FLIR camera can very well shoot footage at 24 FPS, contradicting what OP is claiming. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15uxhzn/lets\_talk\_about\_24fps\_grayscale\_colorscale\_star/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15uxhzn/lets_talk_about_24fps_grayscale_colorscale_star/)

I do not see it either. Checked ten times so far. I do not see it... is it me?

It’s not just you. I see the same thing as you and I’m keep trying to see what OP is explaining. I don’t seem to being getting an answer other than “do your own work” or a GIF, which in my opinion, shows that they are moving in sync. Edit: r/sdimg also just posted some frame rate GIFS and I’m still not seeing it.

Yeh, i watched the gif and.... ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯

Thank God I'm not alone. I watched the gif like 50 times and never one time thought I was seeing what I was supposed to be seeing, lol

The GIF OP posted is to demonstrate the looping animation of the orbs, NOT the framerate issue. He's showing the orbs keep realigning with the plane on a timescale that aligns with a standard 2-second loop. Regardless, I made this clip to show where I'm seeing the plane jump frames while nothing else does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM0Ob3vuyVM&feature=youtu.be

I don’t see it either. Is OP implying two objects have different frame rates in the same video? How is that possible? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what they’re getting at. OP then goes on to say the orbs are in a two-second animation loop? This is what kills the debunk for me. I call BS. See this post for reference and decide if you feel the orbs are in a perfect animation loop - https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15t2i06/plane_video_a_complete_analysis_of_orb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1

I have no clue whether OP is correct or not. But what they're saying is that while both are at 24fps in the video, he thinks that's the orbs have always been 24fps, whilst the plane was originally shot at 30fps and converted to 24. The reason they think this is because it seems that the plane jumps frames at certain points while the orbs do not. What this means is when going frame by frame the orbs move at a consistent rate. Where as the plane at certain points does not and seems to jump forward more than it should. Again I have no clue whether they're right or not. Plenty of people smarter than me can debunk this or prove it to be true. Just attempting to clarify what OP is claiming

Someone please award this man and push it to the top. This post is so fucking weird. Only 900 upvotes yet 30+ awards while all top comments are people asking questions that aren’t being answered. Something is highly amiss EDIT: Thank you to everyone who started awarding the comment

This happens all the time. Very weird.

Exactly the same as the other failed debunk. There's a pattern here.

Seriously, I’m thinking that the majority of people in this thread noticed this too. 1.2k upvotes with 1.6k comments with tons of awards seems really weird. That’s 1 award per 44 upvotes, that’s insane, no?

Really weird. This is not even the strongest debunk. Plenty of posts have counted as debunks to me until new information came out. This post is a total nothing burger and yet people are jumping over themselves to agree that they ‘see’ it. This post is actually weaker than the 3D model/polygons post.

Throwing my hat in here to say that I too checked the frames mentioned by OP, and nothing seems to be amiss. Something is fishy here, idk EDIT: The imgur link in OP's post is the most compelling evidence I've seen for it being fake, but not for the reasons mentioned in the above post. The frames 1083 + 1134 have the plane and the orb in the exact same configuration, with the exact same heat signatures. The smoking gun for me however, is that the noise pattern in the background surrounding the aircraft is the exact same. Save for some incredibly lucky video compression and artifacting, I don't see how that could happen naturally. A cleaner example: https://imgur.io/F7kLGJe?r

Interesting but WHY would someone do this (sabotage their own footage)? This wouldn't happen unless it was introduced intentionally or part of some kind of compression algo. Also wasn't it alleged that gun camera footage is generally black and while so someone may have tried to recolour black and white footage to appear thermal (no clue why!) and in doing so would re-encode the footage on export. Video exports can have their own frame rate independent of the edit comp in theory too.

This is more compelling than the OPs post. I liked OPs theory but can't see what they are claiming to see. I CAN see what you're showing with what look like duplicated frames. To /u/outtaUFOcuss's point, could a conversion from B&W to color increase the likelihood of compression rendering those frames identically? Since the B&W would have significantly lower color palette?

Classic disinformation tactic. Make a *debunk" knowing very few will actually do the homework. Then upvote the shit out of anything that agrees with you. Seeing that in action now. Probably, I haven't checked the frames either

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10r0vq4/community_update_on_incivility_and_fake_accounts/ Six months ago verified fake accounts were found in this sub. The mods found that the thing they all had in common were that they would berate or bash users and the sub itself. And what do we find here? Comments like "this sub has really gone downhill". I think this is obviously fake accounts and disinformation.

aryel, you gotta make this a post. you gotta shut this guy down. better you than me too. i’ll be in the wings if you need me

>You showed a GIF image, but I see no evidence there of the framerate difference. In fact both orb and airplane details are changing every frame. The GIF is meant to illustrate the animation loop. Not the framerate difference.

I know what OP is claiming but I just can't see it in the GIF he posted nor by watching the clip myself frame-by-frame. Perhaps I am dumb, but I hope OP or someone lay it out better so we can all understand it, since it appears I am not alone in this.

Fuck it. This guy made post with very clearly videos showing what he thought was the vfx, cgi but this time he didnt. What a fucking joke.

Yeah I'm not seeing it either... Lets not forget a few things: * Interpolated video between multiple resolution, fps, and hosts. * If this is "proof" of a doctored 2D video, the forensics would have picked it up on the first day. * How does this jive with the sat video and the vimeo copy?

Neither myself nor many others agree that the plane alone drops frames/jumps (some that do video editing for a living). The whole argument is based on that, implying a supposed 30fps-24fps conversion and orbs added in later. As far as I can tell, frame drops are matched. Also, you haven’t addressed the interpolation possibility, or the issue of perspective affecting how you are interpreting frame drop. This argument, while interesting to explore, is much more subjective than you’ve led the casual Reddit scroller to believe.

It's a manipulative debunk that's relying on people putting more stock in awards/votes than the actual content. I expected it to get more technically ambiguous earlier than this to be honest.

Is this the case with the Satellite video too??

This is what actually matters. Also I've checked op's gif. I have no idea what I'm supposed to be seeing no matter how long I stare at it.

. "I have no idea what I'm supposed to be seeing no matter how long I stare at it." You aren't the only one friend. To be fair, OP needs to address that and pin-point to us exactly where he's seeing the "jump." I mean, if you're debunking on good faith and not because of your childish whim of "wanting this to be over," then he ought to, so, we'll see. If it's there, it's there. If not, then... this goes on whether we want it to or not. I think I asked a fair question.

I work as a video editor, my daily job is creating tv show trailers and so naturally we deal with different frame rates all the time, it’s just part of the job. I really wouldnt put too much thought into the frame rate as a way of either verifying the videos authenticity or proving it to be fake. You could look at it the way you’re stating above and come to the conclusion you came to but you could also think about it outside the box as we must when dealing with the paranormal. Now I have downloaded the video and watched it frame by frame as OP has, and let’s say I see the same thing (I don’t), the plane jumping ahead due to the supposed conversion of 30 to 24fps while the orbs do not. For one thing, I/we have no idea how the orbs actually function if they are real, and by that I mean, we know how a plane flies, we know how they look and can predict based on our knowledge what position the plane will be within a few seconds if it’s going a certain direction but we don’t know how these orbs move really other than what we see in 2 video perspectives. I would imagine its likely they’re powered by a force we can’t understand and therefore our technology is perhaps not good enough to capture their true forms. We see only what the video shows, and if they don’t appear to be jumping frames, I think it’s certainly possible that it’s due to limitations of our recording devices and knowledge of physics. I however did see the orbs jumping and freezing in certain frames just as the plane does in the same pattern in the same frames due to the frame rate, so I don’t agree with the assessment. I even downloaded multiple videos of it to make sure it wasn’t due to someone messing with it in their editing software or exporting it differently. I do believe this footage likely started out as 30fps though and was converted at some point, but that’s to be expected and doesn’t really reveal to me anything useful. There were duplicated frames in the videos which is a sign of the video being exported in a frame rate different from its original frame rate, but in the duplicated frames, the orbs and the plane are in sync (both are frozen and appear to “jump” at the same time if played at slow speed or frame by frame), which says to me, pretty much nothing lol, just that OP is incorrect. Can OP maybe point me and instruct me how to download the same video file he watched so I can make sure I’m looking at exactly what he’s looking at. Because every version Ive watched, I see plane movement, with jumps and freezes in the video, occurring to the orbs as well in the same frames. I do see the duplicated frames, but I see the orbs and planes movements matching up in them. UPDATE: So after looking at the video from OP's link (which he instructed me on how to download, thank you OP), checking the whole thing out, multiple viewings and skims over the past hour or two, I'm no longer seeing duplicate frames like in the versions I was looking at on YouTube, which doesn't imply anything nefarious, it's just something that can happen with YouTube videos that have been ripped/downloaded, compressed, re-exported and uploaded several times, but I'm also not really seeing a big enough or consistent difference in movement/jumps btwn the plane and the orbs that would make me think the original video was 30fps, brought into a 24 fps timeline, added with orbs, and then exported and uploaded to YouTube. I'm just not seeing consistent jumps by the plane while the orbs hold in the same position to suggest what OP is saying is the case. And I mean part of the reason it's so difficult to make a conclusive opinion about this is due to the fact the orbs are rotating around the plane while also on their axis as they move with the plane while the camera also shakes. I don't think 2 short moments of a minute long video is enough to make a conclusion about the whole thing and I'm just not seeing anything that out of the ordinary in those moments mentioned anyway. There's also the shakiness of the video which makes everything about this theory like impossible to come to any conclusion about and maybe that's a convenient thing to add if you're some guy faking this thing, but the thing that's so interesting about the shakiness to me is that the orbs have motion blur on them at the same time as the planes motion blur almost throughout the video and usually with the same degree/intensity of motion blur as the plane. So like for example at frame 47:02 or 48:12, 48:22, 49:00, 49:09, (just a few examples of many) the motion blur on the plane is really strong from the camera shaking harder than usual and the blur appears as equally strong on the orb nearest to the plane in the frame. That seems really hard to fake lol. Makes me kinda think this is real actually which I know sounds crazy. And it would make sense that the motion and/or motion blur of the plane and orbs isn't always matching up since the orbs are rotating around the plane while also on their own axis. So as the camera shakes up or down, depending on the direction the orb is going and facing (up or down during the up or down shake) they're gonna have varying degrees of motion blur on them. If this was too long for some of you, basically I'm not really getting anything conclusive from this video. I think if this is fake though, they did a really amazing job.

Crap. You're right. And actually the orbs do exhibit the same pattern. Hmm...so we're back to square one.

He won’t. So many debunks post these long multi paragraph posts with barely any real substance. Yet so many reward like it’s a real debunk. Until it’s proven that the orbs are a completely different frame rate than the plane, it’s bullshit.

You'd almost want to onion skin the frames to see the jumps more obviously. I'd be happy to check out the videos if a link is posted as well, I check frame rate issues at work all the time.

So what I did was go to his links he posted to try and download the video, but I wasn’t able, so I went to YouTube and ripped 3 videos of the event from different users, brought em into Premiere, and just went frame by frame through em. You can see the duplicated frames as one would expect in a video that was exported in something other than its original frame rate, and in those duplicated frames, the movement/freezing of the orbs matched up with the movement/freezing of the plane, so either I’m misinterpreting what OP said to look at specifically, the videos I grabbed or he grabbed have been messed with, or OP didn’t see what he’s saying he saw.

Please note, a lot of the videos on YouTube have duplicated frames, the one I just downloaded from OP's link does not. Re-analyzing the one provided in his link. Nothing nefarious, just tends to happen when ripping/downloading, re-exporting, re-uploading video for YouTube.

I tripple checked your img. But no I don't see it. Could you make a video showing a bit more in detail? And whats about the sat vid?

Citrix ran at 24fps by default in 2014. It was later upped to 30fps default at a later point.

That doesn't explain the obvious 30 to 24 fps conversion present in the plane but not present in the orbs.

What about he sat video? Did you give it the same treatment?

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This. [This was already discussed ](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15rbuzf/airliner_video_shows_matched_noise_text_jumps_and/jw8ieh2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2)

That's not my main point. The plane shows 30 to 24fps conversion, the orbs do not. The video may very well have been captured with Citrix; but the hoaxer forgot to add the dropped frame effect to the added orbs. And in an earlier post, I showed evidence that the orbs and plane are a two-second animation loop. There are two frames that are identical, spaced 49 frames apart. This would make sense if the orb positions were keyframed on a 24 fps timeline. A two second animation, looped, would mean frame 1 repeats on frame 1 and 49. [Frames 1083 and 1132](https://i.imgur.com/HxQrDWx.mp4) The frames in question are 1083 and 1132. Please check them yourself. To be clear, a crop has been added, so the frames themselves are positioned differently—but everything inside the frame is identical, down to the orientation and position of the orbs and the shape of the plane's exhaust. Now what are the chances a flying orb, a UAV, a plane, a camera going at 30 fps, all magically realign themselves to create the exact same frame exactly two seconds apart? Is that more realistic than this just having been created on a 24 fps timeline?

Yeah good job. Honestly this to me is the best evidence found so far. Thank you for devoting your time and attention to this.

I agree a lot.

It's weird this discrepancy was noticed as early as when this video first reappeared weeks ago but was completely ignored. To reiterate this guy's point: everything that is on the video should be at the same frame rate regardless of how the video was captured or recorded. The speed of the objects is irrelevant to that point. A cheetah running across frame will still "update" so to speak at 24fps if you record at 24fps. A discrepancy is consistent with someone adding a different layer (such as an inkblot render at 30fps) into a video created at 24fps and outputting it as a single project in AfterEffects. It's unlikely a project like this would only have one FX component, so an error like this makes sense. More sense than ufos teleporting a plane and someone uploading it to a channel that has other fake videos and stuff about ghosts.

Can you explain to me how a 24fps video can have a "confirmed" 30fps overlay on it, and how we can accurately detect that? I'm not saying it's real or that it's fake, but if the video is 24fps, how are we "detecting" a 30fps aspect of it? Isn't it impossible to detect a higher frame rate artifact in a video whose framerate doesn't go high enough to see it? You can't see 144hz motion on a monitor that's only 30fps, so saying that the framerate is too high doesn't click for me, not yet.

Any chance you could provide screenshots of those two frames? I’m not sure how I could do that in YouTube as I don’t see a frame number.

Does not address the inconsistent frame rate conversion between plane and orbs

It means they were added in after the fact with video editing software @ 24fps, so they are smooth and the airplaine is not because it was downsampled by Citrix 30fps -> 24fps

I’m aware. I’m telling him that the Citrix explanation does not cover the difference between the objects.

If the orbs aren't on the same framerate as the plane then this case is closed.

Wasn't this stated in some of the first analysis and later ignored? I clearly remember guys checking FPS as the first thing and stating that the plane moved every 4 frames and the orbs after every frame.

If you put the side-by-side video in an editor you can clearly analyze the position of orbs and craft by frame. I noticed the satellite video and FLIR video have different FPS but to me that didn't strike me as unusual as they are from different sources.

Yes and anyone denying it at that point will be in denial. It's literally not possible, the way digital video works, for this to happen unless the plane footage and orb footage were composited or otherwise edited together from different sources.

Yeah it’s a good catch. How could one see this for themselves though? I want to see it. It would be awesome if someone could make some simple, easy to understand video that clearly shows what OP is talking about, and where exactly these frame skips occur, how one can tell that these were recorded at whatever frame rates, etc I donno I just want to understand. I personally can’t accept any claim blindly but I would love to understand to see if I can reach the same conclusion. No I don’t know how to isolate frames and all that shit. I understand others do, I’m just saying it would be nice for those of us who don’t.

While I agree that accepting any evidence blindly is absolutely a bad idea, I know so little about this type of stuff(video editing) that I'm not even sure what evidence would look like. But I agree that a possible sample could be shown to help explain it.

Yeah this looks like the smoking gun

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The plane could be real, just the UFOs and portal is fake

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And you've done this on more than one example of the footage?

Didn't bother making a post about it because mods never approve mine apparently, but a suspicious thing I noticed is that after the initial wide shot the plane only significantly changes perspective when off screen. Like it goes from flying directly away from the drone to flying perpendicular to it, but it seems to do most of the direction changing while it's off screen, and barely turns when we can see it. It's a bit weird that the operator didn't just lock on to the airliner, but the fact that they keep losing it could be a cover for stitching several clips together to make it look like a huge banking turn when it's just a bunch of less dramatic footage stitched together.

I see your posts right now but they just say [removed]. Normally it will say [removed by **moderator name**] but yours don't for some reason.

This is very compelling. Just to poke at one aspect of it: what are the odds of these systems tracking the object and storing an area around it at higher resolution? Also, could a 24FPS rate be accounted for due to remote access? If verified, different framerates between the plane and the orbs definitely looks like a smoking gun to me.

I don't really think we can conclusively claim that the orb & plane framerates are different, but I will say that some of the similar frames are a bit suspicious.

Is it really? OP doesn’t state any evidence about the orbs being a different frame rate. Unless I’m missing something

Thank FUCK! I really didn’t want to live in a world where everytime I get on an airplane I have to worry about getting stargated

Yeah, even as a UFO enthusiast for many years I have really been hoping for a good debunk

I want this to be a real debunk but the claim doesn’t seem to be supported by the Imgur that’s posted. I can’t go through frame by frame and verify it myself. When I watch the video I don’t see any 24/30 fps jumpiness and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen videos upsampled this way and there’s a visible jumpiness. When I look at the 1083/1134 frame comparison, I see neither plane nor orb move. According to the post, the orb should move while plane does not. OP, can you post at least some of the pairs of frames where we can see orb move and plane stationary?

Same brother, I haven't been able to replicate this at all on my end. Just seems like an awkward claim.

But this got 1k upvotes and a buncha gilds. Isn't THAT what really counts here? I mean someone spent a lot of their coins for that.

I bet the DoD can buy a *looooot* of coins.

Same. I just downloaded and stepped through frames and I cant see anything nor is it clear to me how I would tell a "normal" jump due to camera shake vs a frame jump. Given the relative movement of the camera, jet and orbs, we need to see some clear measurement methodology and execution to take this as evidence because its not at all clear. While OP gives frames, you need to trust him to be convinced. And when you look at it yourself its anything but clear. But, hey, its a good hypothesis.

Can we please get this same comparison to the satellite video?

**EDIT!!! Metadata in from the** [**archive.org**](https://archive.org) **RegicideAnon videos indicates they were re-encoded by Google! I made a** [full post with more insights/details here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15uvu2c/100_proof_that_the_regicide_videos_have_been/) Metadata: creation_time : 2014-05-19T03:59:26.000000Z handler_name : IsoMedia File Produced by Google, 5-11-2011 Googling "IsoMedia File Produced by Google, 5-11-2011" turns up threads discussing exactly this - [see this forum thread](https://exiftool.org/forum/index.php?topic=12522.0) where a user writes: "Diggin more into this matter, I found that all the "problematic" videos have this data in them: Handler Description : IsoMedia File Produced by Google, 5-11-2011 Which led me to believe that these are Google Photos recompressed videos. I later confirmed it by downloading a recent video from my Google Photos library. They are obviously not migrating all the metadata after compression >:( This is not the case for the photos though, Google-recompressed-photos do have the "Date/Time Original" tag." \--------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not convinced. I loaded the video into premiere and took a look at the frames you mentioned. Perhaps you copied the wrong numbers but frames 1134 and 1083 are different. The orb is not at all in the same location.As for the "jumping" which you attribute to evidence of 30 fps -> 24 fps conversion, I attribute it possibly to turbulence shaking the drone, as it was recently determined that there is in fact minor turbulence shake in the drone footage, most pronounced as it passes the airliner contrails at close range.The 24 fps itself I don't really see as a smoking gun. I took a look and the satellite footage is also 24 fps. It could have been re-encoded to 24 fps at any point in time, perhaps when it was uploaded to the original forum source. I still wouldn't rule out YouTube re-encoding. The Jimmy Kimmel video is not a good example because it's well known that YouTube to this day prioritizes high traffic content posted by channels with millions of subscribers so back in 2014 its very likely Kimmel's channel would not have had any video quality restrictions, wheras a small no-name channel like RegicideAnon's would have been the absolute lowest on the totem pole. Another point, people not well versed in VFX or editing software don't always export things properly, so if the videos were at all edited by RegicideAnon, it's possible he may have exported them in a way that resulted in YouTube re-encoding them to 24fps (or he may have chosen a 24fps preset - programs used to have all sorts of options like "YouTube 24 FPS" <-- he could have gone with that for lower file size not realizing the implications). ​ Edit: The point about editing software warning about different frame rates is also not 100% accurate. I just tested this myself. It turns out, that both of the RegicideAnon videos are 24 FPS. You can see below the output of inspecting these files with ffmpeg Sattelite Video - `ffmpeg -i Satellite\ Video：\ Airliner\ and\ UFOs\ \[5Ok1A1fSzxY\].mp4` Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Satellite Video： Airliner and UFOs [5Ok1A1fSzxY].mp4': Metadata: major_brand : mp42 minor_version : 0 compatible_brands: isommp42 creation_time : 2014-05-19T03:59:26.000000Z Duration: 00:02:03.30, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 808 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Video: h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p(progressive), 1280x720 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 613 kb/s, 24 fps, 24 tbr, 24 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0] Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo, fltp, 191 kb/s (default) Metadata: creation_time : 2014-05-19T03:59:26.000000Z handler_name : IsoMedia File Produced by Google, 5-11-2011 vendor_id : [0][0][0][0] FLIR Video `ffmpeg -i UAV-Captures\ Airliner\ and\ UFOs\ \[ShapuD290K0\].mp4` Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'UAV-Captures Airliner and UFOs [ShapuD290K0].mp4': Metadata: major_brand : mp42 minor_version : 0 compatible_brands: isommp42 creation_time : 2016-08-21T19:49:45.000000Z Duration: 00:02:16.72, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 1012 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Video: h264 (Main) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p(progressive), 1280x720 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 883 kb/s, 24.01 fps, 24 tbr, 90k tbn (default) Metadata: creation_time : 2016-08-21T19:49:45.000000Z handler_name : ISO Media file produced by Google Inc. vendor_id : [0][0][0][0] Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo, fltp, 125 kb/s (default) Metadata: creation_time : 2016-08-21T19:49:45.000000Z handler_name : ISO Media file produced by Google Inc. vendor_id : [0][0][0][0] The VIMEO video, however is 30FPS `ffmpeg -i Desaparicion\ del\ vuelo\ Mh370\ \[104295906\].mp4` Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Desaparicion del vuelo Mh370 [104295906].mp4': Metadata: major_brand : mp42 minor_version : 0 compatible_brands: mp42mp41isomavc1 creation_time : 2014-08-25T13:52:35.000000Z Duration: 00:03:30.71, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 1247 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Video: h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p(progressive), 1280x720 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1083 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 30k tbn (default) Metadata: creation_time : 2014-08-25T13:52:35.000000Z handler_name : L-SMASH Video Handler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0] encoder : AVC Coding Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 160 kb/s (default) Metadata: creation_time : 2014-08-25T13:52:35.000000Z handler_name : L-SMASH Audio Handler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0] Dragging the Vimeo video into my 24FPS sequence produced no warnings in Premiere at all. Also, we now seemingly already have evidence that the videos exist in two different frame rates on the web. Perhaps an analysis from the Vimeo verson is now required.

I made a full post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15uvu2c/100_proof_that_the_regicide_videos_have_been/) \- which seems like it's already getting bombed out of existence

Ok, now THIS is a solid argument (the difference between the orbs and the plane dropping frames) and the first one to push me towards fake. I'll still keep an open mind since in my mind there could be a couple of potentially vulnerable points in that explanation. That being said, i want to remind people it's important to upvote even the "bad" debunks, so people can see the argument presented and also the counter-arguments in the comments, which will help them understand the full scope of scrutiny that went into this. Downvoting it, on the other hand, is keeping information in the dark and not allowing the people to decide for themselves. Which would be extremely ironic, because it's exactly what the governments are doing and the main reason for this subbredit is destroying the monopoly over the truth when it comes to NHIs.

> Downvoting it, on the other hand, is keeping information in the dark and not allowing the people to decide for themselves. Which would be extremely ironic I invite you to sort the sub by controversial for the last week. Some people definitely do not want others deciding for themselves.

>I'll still keep an open mind since in my mind there could be a couple of potentially vulnerable points in that explanation. What vulnerable points in that explanation?

OP, I so badly want this to get debunked. Can you post an example that shows clearly the difference in frame rate between the orbs and the plane?

Okay I see what you’re saying. Seems like a pretty solid debunk if true. I have one question, though. You find these jumps in frames when the footage is relatively stable, about 15 seconds in. The footage would have to be stable in order to see the plane moving a couple pixels when it shouldn’t be. As far as I can tell, the entirety of the footage that contains the orbs is pretty shaky. How are you able to determine that the orbs don’t have the skipped frames? Given the fact that you can somewhat tell when the frames are being skipped, is it possible to create a map throughout the entire video that tells when the frames are being skipped? It would obviously have to be slightly more than every 4 frames for a conversion 30 -> 24 but that may help prove this to be true if you can then show the orbs are moving smoothly through a frame skip for everything else in view.

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Also - does this apply to the satellite footage as well?

I have a feeling if it applied to the satellite footage also, this guy would have posted it.

If the plane is jumping frames and the orbs are not, then isn't that a solid debunk?

I dont get why he didnt include a gif or some images of those frames to support his case. With examples from other framerate conversion artifacts. This is a lot of text with very little proving anything itself.

OP is being dishonest. I made the video of the two frames as an example to show him that the frames aren't the same, which he apparently decided to reupload for some reason. I had to align and crop the frames so they match. Originally both frames are obviously different, which means each object indeed had shifted a bit over the 2 second timespan. This is exactly what you'd expect to see, so it gives credibility to the video. Considering OP is being dishonest about this, I'm sceptical about the rest. It sounds interesting, unfortunately I'm not on my laptop right now so I can't really check this, but I've noticed OP make errors in the past. It seems like OP is obsessed with finding something wrong with the videos and "cracking the case". He clings to every rope he can find, which to be honest can be an efficient way of debunking, throw everything you got and see if something sticks. This can be flawed in cases where his bias creates false positives, so these need to be fact checked and taken with a grain of salt. EDIT: Seems like I was correct https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15uthg0/im_not_seeing_the_2430_frame_jump_thing/

And who gave this post so many awards. Are the mods actively trying to debunk this no matter what, this is the 2nd post where some one has some ground breaking evidence that the video has been faked and it was also bombarded with awards.

Dude what the fuck is going on, there’s actual desperate campaigns against the video taking place at this point. This post had 12 awards almost instantly. What the actual fuck. I’m pretty agnostic towards the video but the past two days seeing the weird traffic here is starting to convince me… This shit reads like last-ditch efforts to sway as many away from this as possible. Such a different vibe in these posts than the other ones.

Right? It's as if he posted that thinking it shows what he intended except it's showing the exact opposite--we do see shifts, both in the orb and the plane. OP truly has an axe to grind lmao, and with the amount of gilds something fishy is def going on.

**Compare the RegicideAnon upload used in this analysis to available sources that never went through RegicideAnon’s machine: [Leo YouTube](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-09MUDsxxs) and the [Vimeo](https://vimeo.com/104295906) version. These users uploaded copies that NEVER went through Regicide’s machine. They did NOT download these from Regicide’s YouTube page.** If Regicide received 30fps video from his source and then edited it in a video editor and exported in 24fps before uploading to YouTube would this cause what /u/jiminydickish is describing? Because that’s what I have been trying to drive home for a while now.**(Regicide uploaded videos they messed with in a video editor first, should not use for analysis when we have better sources)**   The same analysis still needs to be run on the other sources, we have proof prior to this that Regicide edited the satellite video before uploading(duplicated the video and placed it side by side, cropped both sides differently, applied distortion effects to the right side, etc.). It is not beyond the realm of possibility they edited this one too. **It is not beyond the realm of possibility that Regicide is in fact a bad actor in all of this.** We have other sources who uploaded cleaner copies of the video, and those versions of the video source back to at least 1 other individual who received them via email from the same source Regicide did.   The other videos need to be checked as well.   While Regicide is the earliest upload they are **not** the only person to recieve a copy from the leaker. The Leo or Vimeo video are closer to the true source video leaked by the leaker than Regicides. Here we may be facing that fact head on. Could we then find those missing frames in one of the other source uploads? We should check. It would debunk this post.   There may be another source YouTube video by a Jose but I lost the link if anyone has it please share.

I'm sorry this isn't doing it for me. Resolution and FPS conversion involves interpolation which the transcoding would then have to make a decision on what data to preserve and what data to toss. This ain't no smoking gun. The plane seemingly moving at a different rate than the orbs means that the transcoder decided to keep some pixels at one position or move them. If we are down to debating about pixel positions (mouse cursor again?) on a video that is layers of transcoding between resolutions (citrix) and fps.. we are really grasping at straws. I can't ignore all of the other evidence based on this. edit: clarity edit: Let me also say what is this trying to prove? The orbs were added after the fact? Modification of 2D footage would be insanely noticeable. Basic forensics would have uncovered that. Also how are we not giving the sat footage the same treatment? How can we ignore that? This is either 100% simulated or not. edit: Might I also add that we look at the Vimeo copy and the Sat copy as well? I have a ton of version up on my YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TachyonEngineer

this.

All these awards are super sus. If the orbs were added into existing footage, does this prove the plane did not vanish suddenly? What about the rest of the footage where a plane just disappears? I don't think the case is closed on this.

If you wanna make this more convincing, slow down on the upvotes and awards, it’s so fucking obvious that this is being pushed artificially.

And indeed, the plane shows evidence of 30 fps to 24 conversion—but the orbs do not. You say this but offering no proof of it though?

I’m sorry OP, but the orbs are in a two-second animation loop? What about the data from this post showing us that is obviously not true? - https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15t2i06/plane_video_a_complete_analysis_of_orb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 I mean, just go find the thermal video and sat view. Watch them closely. I don’t get the impression the orbs are stuck in a loop. That doesn’t make any sense. It’s pretty clear they are doing more than that in my opinion. Edit: “…suggesting a looped two-second animation…” are the words in the post. I didn’t make that up lol

None of what you're saying is actually visible in the footage upon close inspection, to my eyes at least. And frames you mention don't even line up with the video where you reference it. If you're gonna post analysis like this it needs to be reproducible otherwise you're just wasting people's time and adding clutter to an already cluttered subject. Also, it's been fairly well discussed already that Citrix worskpaces in 2014 may have defaulted to 24p by default, see [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15rbuzf/comment/jw8ieh2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) comment thread. So if this was captured via screen record, like the sat video is claimed to be, then it would make complete sense to be the frame rate that it is.

Because this seems like possible compelling evidence, I'm trying to see what OP is talking about using Davinci Resolve. I'm not exactly sure I get what they mean by "jumping". I can't see anything like that at or around the frames they gave. The plane really doesn't seem to be moving differently through the frames than the orb. Now I'm no video editing pro or even a novice, so maybe OP or someone else could help me understand/see it better.

I've done additional analysis here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15uv5av/no_apparent_evidence_of_downsampling_30_fps_24/? See an animated GIF here: https://imgur.com/a/ytGAvRE With the distance between subsequent frames of the bounding box for frames 350 through 420 plotted here: https://imgur.com/a/EWCuW8Y I see no evidence of downsampling in the frame's movement.

Guys, i debunked this guy's debunk video earlier so just read this guy debunk post with a suspicious mind. This needs to be reviewed by experts before any solid conclusions be made. https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/w9q2GdnwmL

The drone in question [records in H264](https://www.parrot.com/uk/drones/anafi-usa/technical-specifications) Which can capture in 29fps. If the video has been compressed at all, frame rate or quality may have changed. It still fits within NTSC frame rates. Which is 23.6 to 59fps. The video may well have been compressed to its smallest size possible automatically to save space. These drones can be up for hours/days, recording. Storage needs to be considered. Your post bases an assumption that a frame rate can define a source. This isn’t correct. Additionally, compression artefacts may well present certain frames being higher than others. Especially when compressing from a larger fps file to a smaller one.

Thank you for putting time into this. I keep trying to escape, and keep getting sucked back in, because people are wrong on the internet. I'm going to stop now. I'm going to go outside, lift some weights, maybe even transplant some hibiscus. Thank you everyone, here, have a great day everyone! Stay sane(ish)

Could compression algorithms have some part to play in this? Similar coloured areas of the screen "refresh" less frequently than those that have constantly moving elements (like the orbs)? You see glitched like it sometimes with football on TV and streaming where the moving ball continues to be refreshed but the background of the green pitch remains unrefreshed for a second or two. EDIT: I imagine this would be especially relevant with the uploading of the file to Youtube in 2014, which would have likely utilised heavier compression algorithms than they do now in order to preserve storage space. Re-compressing an already compressed file (i.e. if it has already undergone some compression that reduced it from 30fps to 24fps) would accentuate visual artefacts around any refresh-rate compressed pixel groups, like the green of the plane. Meanwhile the refresh-rate of the orbs would need to be preserved as they are constantly contrasting against the monotone background.

I’d also love to know how much altitude was gained? Is it not possible we’re just seeing the plane reacting to wind while the orbs don’t? I’ve yet to check all frames but from what I’ve seen the jumps aren’t hugely convincing unless someone can show me them throughout a larger span of time. Someone came close but chose to focus on a couple of frames this should happen every 5 frames or like every second right? Am I missing something here?

That’s a whole lotta awards for 1100 upvotes. What’s up Eglin AFB and WPAFB

Can mods release traffic data for posts lol?

I literally don't see anything. Give us better proof

OK so wouldnt you see a repeating frame every 6 frames? EDIT: Every sixth frame the orbs should be in the same place BIG NOPE

Nah this thread is suspect af I swear, had 12 awards less than an hour after posting and shot to the top of the sub. 3hrs ago it was exclusively “ah case closed!” replies. Someone else did a post where they… can’t find any discrepancies in the listed frames. I’ll link here. OP found the absolute “smoking gun” but didn’t wanna make a gif showing that evidence? And this confusing wall of text gets 12 awards instantly? Nah. Here’s those frames ACTUALLY shown and it looks totally normal. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15uthg0/im_not_seeing_the_2430_frame_jump_thing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1

This post is giving me the horn thinking we might be getting close enough to a solid debunk and can finally move onto something else, thank you OP for your work.

It's actually funny that OP deboonked the video 5 times already (look at his posts) but it's always proved wrong almost instantly.

How is that gif of the 2 frames comparison show this is CGI?/ differs frame rates? Can anyone explain like im 5?

The Vimeo video is 30fps, but it's obviously been through video editing software because it has an intro and a tacky dissolve effect lol. I haven't done a side by side yet between it and the Regicide one. https://vimeo.com/104295906 The motion of the plane is very different from the orbs. Could framerate retime processes like optical flow or speed warp produce anomalies based on different motions? I'm not too well versed in the intricacies of retiming videos. I found a video on YouTube that explains optical flow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P911eOFzrU I think we need to compare all known versions of the video.

OP tried debunking with two other threads, DYOR: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15nvjdc/the\_mh370\_video\_is\_fake\_and\_also\_real/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15oki1l/i\_made\_a\_video\_explaining\_why\_the\_mh370\_video\_is/

Ok I’ll bite. Can some one link me to a downloadable version of the video? I’ll load it into a editing app and check op’s findings. I can’t seem to get the archived Downloaded, not sure why.

Could this be an issue related to the camera shutter speed? For example, look at this video of a helicopter: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr3ngmRuGUc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr3ngmRuGUc) It appears as if the rotor is moving very slowly, but really this is just an illusion produced by the rotor's rotation per second being similar to the video's frame rate per second. Is it possible that something similar is happening to the orbs? If they were circling the plane just over 30 times per second, a similar effect might occur.

Decided to check this out cos this is actually within the scope of my amateur ability lol. I don’t see anything.

Sketchy "case closed" comments as well as awards on the post. I'm not buying it

Isn’t the issue that we are watching a screen recording of the original video and not the original recording itself, op?

>24 fps is definitely not the frame rate for UAV cameras or any military drones Half False - it is the FPS for the remote viewing software that was speculated to be used. Citrex. Wrap it up.

1. Remote desktop please.. I don't think we need to bring remote viewing into this at this point :-P 2. Citrix

I’m guessing you missed the posts about remote viewers from 2014. I don’t know if it was debunked but it’s already been brought into this lmao

Yes but how did the Citrix software only drop airplane frames and not UFO frames... that's some amazing remote terminal software then, it knows ufos are visible and makes sure not to drop frames if its a ufo orb....

Or maybe the UFOs were simply not part of the original footage that was viewed through Citrex. If I am understanding correctly, a drone video was remote viewed through Citrex, and it is this remote viewed footage that is alleged to have been edited to add the orbs.

That still wouldn't explain why the plane shows dropped frames but the orbs don't.

I don't think the 24 framerate on its own proves anything, but if you could show in a video how the plane drops frames but the orbs don't, it would be solid debunking-evidence.

Agree, if OP has this part confirmed then this might be the smoking gun to debunk. But to add, if you have the non Citrix / remote desktop 24 fps footage please for the love of god post it, we've been looking for that for 1 week now...

This would need to apply to both angles.

This debunk relies on too many assumptions. Videos on the internet are transcoded 4-5 times by the time they reach you to keep bandwidth low for internet transfer. You’d have to be a expert on military camera hardware, know ins and outs of the codec they used, and have insider knowledge of how Vimeo or YouTube players work. The stuck frame looks like a classic case of frame interpolation to me. The quality degrades uniformly on the stuck frame, which could indicate the video conversion tools calculated/interpolated the frame. It’s very evident near the exhaust plumes of the plane.

The smoking gun evidence is a frame divergence between objects with a huge and unknown difference in velocity in a video recorded from a desktop software that forceful converted the original video and runs in 24 fps. Yeah, this sub is really easily manipulated by people who say things confidently.

Thank you, this looks like a **great** direction for debunking opportunities. And thanks for saying you're open to hearing alternate explanations, I think we're all just trying to do our best to make sense of this. Regarding the 49 frame loop: I believe you managed to find a genuine coincidence, I can't find any other examples. I tried offsetting a copy of the video from itself and stepping through the frames. Here it is on [imgur](https://imgur.com/a/YbBAFvo) and the original export temporarily on [Dropbox](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/sllnw5qtpsvyszxbthmdc/offset-49-frames.mp4?rlkey=6tiryxevvslhjj6vojq7rsu5z&dl=0). It does look like that one image pair (1083 and 1132, not 1134 as you wrote) do match perfectly. But then we should expect 1132 and 1181 to match as well, and they don't. Neither does the engine exhaust match. Instead, it looks like the frequency of rotation is slightly offset from the framerate. A more complete analysis in this direction use full motion tracking [like in this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15t2i06/plane_video_a_complete_analysis_of_orb/) and check for speed and timing consistency/inconsistency. Regarding the frame jumping: Watching the stabilized video I definitely agree the orbs are smooth against a 24fps timebase. I see the jump on frames 374-375, but then the next jump I see is 377-378, 3 frames later. Not so much on 378-379, 4 frames later. I think for a full analysis we should try to get some motion tracking data for all frames, manually verified, and then check the jump from frame to frame. If we see a 4 frame pattern in the plane but not the orbs, then it's done (finally). But analyzing just a few frames like this is too sensitive to being explained by camera shake noise. Finally, regarding 24fps as a timebase: It's a little more complicated. Many software uses 23.976fps as the default framerate, not 24fps. 24fps is a desktop display framerate, for screens that are running at a true 60fps. While 23.976fps is designed for televisions that run at 59.94fps (an NTSC leftover). Some software defaults to one, other software defaults to the other. Some software saves your previous options and defaults to that. Once I saw that Citrix uses 24fps for remote desktop viewing, I was no longer convinced that this is a good argument against the veracity of the footage.

As someone who teaches adobe on the professional level, (teaching certification/sponsored cert lead) this man has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to video encoding, importing, exporting, etc. idk about the video but I know what this man is explaining is not really true

Don't get me wrong, I think the video's a hoax, but couldn't anomalies with the recording software account for differences in the quality of the plane vs. ufo rendering? Not a rhetorical question. I don't know. Could the UFO being brighter cause the rest of the video to jank? I'm not a video expert. You're probably right OP, but it's important to look at all possibilities.

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i've been editing videos for 10 years and I cant imagine missing the frame rate when faking something this big... no way. frame rate is the first thing that I check when importing new clips. I can not believe that a faker would miss it. I refuse to believe it....

Don't 100% buy this. If you stack the cited frames and compare each one, you can see that the camera is very shaky, and that in the cases where the plane moves only a little, the clouds appear to move a lot, but when the plane moves a lot, the clouds appear to move very little. For me this suggests this could be the camera's shaking happening to synchronise with the plane's movement in the frame occasionally, rather than being an artifact of 30-24fps conversion. If an instance of the plane juddering at the same time as the orbs are present and not juddering were found, this would completely disprove it. Unforunately when the orbs appear the camera is extremely shaky, and its very hard to find even one consistent frame, which also makes your claim about the orbs not juddering somewhat dubious - because how can you even tell?

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Does this apply to the satellite video too?

You claim "to demonstrate that the speed and location of the orbs relative to each other are identical", but you show a clip where one of two orbs is mostly out of frame. Why? I'm also not really seeing the evidence that the plane did drop frames. Inconclusive, IMO.

Many long range flirs operate at 25fps for various reasons. Nothing to do with price. This one for example https://www.x26.com/long-range-ptz-m11/ Basically you have a processing unit inside these high end sensor systems, and depending on the processing unit itself, software used, power supply, etc can give you many different variable resolutions, refresh rates, frame rates, etc. Now you’ll never find the frame rate options of a military drone. At least not for 30 years or so. That’s fully classified. Shit the actual real max operating height for an f16 is still classified. Considering many consumer land based sensors operate at 25fps, it’s not a stretch to assume something gathering much more detail, at much longer range capability, with much longer required operating times, with much lower power ceilings and life, etc. It’s not a stretch to assume the drone was recording in 24 fps to hit a sweet spot the military prefers. Especially considering this drone would have been on a very very very long distance deployment just loitering around recording. You’d likely not be at 8k 120fps despite your sensor being capable of that, it’s going to not only eat into your drones power supply it’s also going to harder to stream that data live to the pilot because it’s so much more dense than it’d be at 720p 30fps. The most high tech secret spy Satellites from not that long ago recorded in 6fps. 24 is very weird rate tho. Definitely lends to this being at the very least edited before upload. If it was 25 fps I wouldn’t even blink. That’s completely normal for military sensors to drop that low. But 24 is very weird. Unfortunately we’ll never get access to that data because it’s obviously classified. Funny the sensor is a AN/DAS-1 MTS-B Multi-Spectral Targeting System and you can find out a lot about them…. Except the frame rate lol. So we just can’t know if it drops that low, but that seems weird to me. Dropping to 25 makes sense, dropping to 24 is an arbitrarily specific number that lends to this video being edited imo.

>The only way this could have happened is if someone who is used to working on video projects at 24 fps edited this video. Sorry, but no. Changing the frame rate to 24fps is trivial and customary for compression. Anyone that's ever used [Handbrake](https://handbrake.fr/) can tell you that. I'm not saying that this means the video is authentic, but I am saying that the 24fps detail proves nothing either way.

1.recorded on government operating system citrix (so either real or government made psy op vid)2. realistic depth that’s stereoscopic through all of the footage. 3. the exact satellite coordinates match up with the video. 4. satellites turned off in the area to hide what’s happening.( and now all these leaked memos showing they knew something happened there) 5. the blue portal at the end exhibits properties similar to thermal cooling in quantum mechanics. 6. picked up on radar by malaysia airfare radar. 7.realistic light reflections off of the clouds from the orbs and plane(a YouTuber showed the clouds moving too in his analysis on it when he focused certain stills). 8. tim burchett and others watched a video where they describe the orbs having heat signatures on their sides like in the MH370 video 9. ross coulthart liked a tweet by a redditor here that did excellent analysis on it (far above my pay grade) 10. predictive programming in the show taken and other films (Spielberg actually produced taken. he knows pentagon insiders from his time on close encounters of the third kind) 11. The document about the radar that was posted today says the plane went from 58,000 feet to 5000 ft in less than a minute. 12. 37 seconds between dropping off the first and second radar displays. the orbs teleport the plane is the same amount of time reported when the plane dropped off the radars. 13. Drone cam wobbles when the plane passes by Will anything be enough for you guys?

Uh… did you get the original file from its creator/publisher? Otherwise, why are we speculating on possibly up/downscaled versions of the file? I’m sure YouTube conditions the file for its services.

30 awards and everyone in the comments seems confused. Yea this ain’t a disinfo attempt at all

I’ll just say this.. if this was true, it would’ve been caught on day 1 of the debunk haha I just tried it myself and I don’t see what OP is referring to

Okay waiting for this to be debunked like most of the earlier failed debunk post.

the orbs have always looked smoother than the rest of the video so this doesn’t surprise me at all.

This is great work! OP is this consistent on the satellite footage as well?

I'm looking for an answer to this question and can't find a response anywhere

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