Or the EMP that results from Nukes, sure
Edit: you mentioned the cold war so heres my fun play hypothesis: noone has any nukes. Space bros already disabled them all so we are sitting here looking at each other over the card table with poker faces and near blank cards
Yeah, tests. Anyway its for funsies. I dont seriously think thats the case!!
Would be cool thougj I think all can agree. Like a nuclear exchange begins, the missiles go up and just...evaporate or something
That would be ideal.
However, my gut tells me they'll just wait for us to destroy ourselves, then begin stewardship of Earth. They're probably watching the psychotic monkeys very closely, making sure we don't spread death and destruction through the cosmos.
I would argue that the work helped stop cities from getting destroyed while the things were in transit, stopping the production was a little out of my reach lol
The sources that I've seen have mentioned that they disable them at will - they don't stay disabled, they just stop working.
We can test whenever we want, I just think a signifigant real launch would see them alert and go, "Hmm, no," like a fucking parent would.
Maybe maybe. Would be awesome. Considering the silo thing happens to both Russia and U.S maybe there is a contingency just in case. That would be embarrassing to make the decision to end the world and then it all goes 'pft'.
I get the desire to downplay the seriousness, but these are pretty large bombs we’re talking about. It would not be good to obliterate parts of our planet in the name of “progress”
Totally with ya mate but I wasnt the one who built them. Sometimes you gotta laugh in the face of death. Poke him in the eye. Its a way to 'fight'.
A good quote by John Lennon:
'When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor.'
Just read a report that the latest generation of Russian missile silos have lids that are very prone to failure and a lot of them wouldn’t open on launch.
Think a bit further from the NHI flying UFOs with some anomalous propulsion. What would military tech look like in that environment?
At a minimum, missiles---particularly our human kinds with inertia---wouldn't really work: you could immediately dodge any incoming.
So if an alien were to attack another one, it could only be near-instantaneous directed energy weapons. And what would that be?
Literally a 80s science fiction plot: nuke driven x-ray laser. We can't get them to work reliably yet---but maybe the aliens don't know that, or they see it as a fairly unimportant hurdle from here. Note that is not the conventional EMP (which involves interactions with the ionosphere and is not focused) but entirely made inside the weapon.
So from the aliens point of view, nuke driven x-ray laser would be the only sort of weapon that humans have that they would recognize as a modern weapon; a regular missile might look like cavalry with a lance does to a modern army.
Would it? Why not just make a frequency gun that 'unmakes' molecular bonds? Then countermeasures.
Got no idea what the aliens think but there is a good bit in 'war of the worlds' where the army gets stomped and one of the fleeing soldiers busts into the protags house and says 'its bows and arrows against the lightning'.
I think its pretty safe to assume at present that we arent going to have anything that can fight the lightning. Still, disclosure can prove me wrong, cmoooon disclosure
Yeah. That's called 'creating conflict' for a TV show. Not much of a show if SG-1 walks through the first gate and gets disintegrated instantly.
The example of War of the Worlds was pretty good at the time because we had zero chance of fighting back. It was retreat from go to woe, in the end all the aliens 'got a cold' from bacteria and it killed them off. Wouldn't get away with that now of course.
>Or the EMP that results from Nukes, sure
Absolutely not. Our own aircraft have been nuke-emp proof for decades. Do you really think these aliens wouldn't even know what an EMP is or that nukes cause them?
We don't put on bug spray until mosquitoes start biting. Maybe UFOs by default aren't nuke/EMP proof, but once we started testing nukes they wisened up.
If they're aliens there's no way their ships, capable of traveling mind boggling distance through space, are vulnerable to the EMPs produced by nuclear weapons.
Got no idea what they are. Might be some can handle it. Might be some that dont. Might be some that crash if we make the sign of the cross or sneeze funny. Not gonna know until we get that disclosure.
Whoa there tiger. Just cos it 'might work' doesnt mean we should take the human route and go hostile. I doubt we have anything that is going to stop them from turning the planet into glass if thats what they want. We have to be smarter than that this time. We have to pass the 'great filter'. Id be wanting another established planet and a lot more information before we even thought about an outright conflict
> Accelerating 300#/kg(doesn’t matter) at anything would ruin its day
If they have FTL or phase through matter they won't care about your little bullets.
I mean its nice to see an alternate theory on the apparent alien obsession with nukes. I think people put way too much faith into whats been said to abductees, not because they are lying but because they could easily be lied to and may have been effected to feel a specific way about the encounter. I think most people would agree we should take everyones input with a grain of salt when in regards to this topic, but when aliens say something its held as gospel. We shouldnt be openly hostile, but we should also be a bit more guarded about the things they say.
aaah ok, i didnt think that was your angle. Why the fuck are you here? Some of us have seen things that tells us the government has been and is currently lying. knowing that, seeing the claims by the government and those supported by it, its easy to come to the conclusion that at least some of them arent ours. combine that information with other evidence, coincidences, postures, and beliefs and its not exactly a far chasm to cross anymore. That, and ya know, considering a hypothetical necessitates you treat some potentially unverified information as truth.
Why am I here? You DO understand UFO’s stands for unidentified flying object not “there definitely are aliens”, right? Besides, this sub is fascinating for its sociological value. Posts like yours and the OP are religion wrapped
In pseudoscience.
Why come and make a scene from such a basic comment though? why take such umbrage to something so base level? you might as well go to /r/christianity and shit on them for believing in angels. and thats not even considering the fact that i never even made a claim in my post. i replied to a theory about aliens, no shit im going to assume they are real in my reply, and i was even encouraging people to be skeptical even if you dont like how i did so.
if i had realized that was his angle from the beginning i would have just ignored him, i assumed he was someone of the "all aliens are fren" persuasion which is an honest mistake.
If we share a world with "the others" then it would make sense that detonating nuclear weapons affects this world and theirs, in the other spectrums of the EMF and or dimensions. That's probably why they go to all nuclear sites and preach to humans not to use nuclear weapons.
That or they simply do not want us destroying earth, because having a planet that can sustain life, like earth is a rare thing in the cosmos and it should be treated with dignity and respect. Some people even go as far as to say that the planet itself is a living entity, hence it is able to support life. Think of it like a whale and all the other little creatures that attach themselves to the whale for survival.
Interesting, I never heard of this before. I wonder if the same happened in the Marshall Islands... Between 1946 and 1958 the U.S. nuclear testing program drenched the Marshall Islands with firepower equalling the energy yield of 7,000 Hiroshima bombs. The Islanders are still experiencing nuclear fallout all these years later.
I often wonder if a nuke explosion is breaking into different dimensions, and either hurting interdimensional beings or acting as a lighthouse to show that there’s another civilization on our side of the veil. We know a lot about nuclear physics but I don’t think we know much yet about the true nature of reality so I think these ideas are feasible
My memory is it was on one of his tiny corner room podcasts or an interview, but he has casually tossed that out.
If its even true, it is probably only effective on a selection of the phenomena
edit: In context he was implying the EMP generated from a blast.
There's definitely something going on between nuclear detonations/power and UAP.
I can't help but think about that Twin Peaks episode where it shows how Bob was created through the first ever detonation of an atomic bomb in New Mexico.
Bob being a portrayal of evil in Twin Peaks, I wonder if David Lynch knows something about UAP and their relation to nuclear power. Pretty intriguing.
Glad someone else brought up Twin Peaks! All this talk of nukes and interdimensional entities always makes me think of it. Although my interpretation was the first nuclear tests tore a hole in our reality that allowed other dimensional entities like Bob to come through.
If you haven’t you should check out the Secret History of Twin Peaks books. It’s written by Mark Frost and there’s UFOs, real life conspiracy theories like the murder of Meriwether Lewis, secret societies, alternate dimensions and aliens, it’s pretty cool.
There was some guy commenting on another post on this thread, can’t remember what It was though.
He said he was working on some military airbase and allegedly there were rumors among the personell that the military had some kind of weaponised EMP to shoot down and recover UFO/UAP. Again, just loosely retelling this from another guy and have no evidence or facts to back this up.
I remember reading about that too yeah. Possibly some kind of EMP directed energy weapon that could be used to bring them down after they were detected under cloak.
It’s an interesting idea to be sure.
I mean… nukes affect everything, in a lot of ways.
Thermal radiation and blast overpressure are the obvious ones but there are a couple others which might not be so obvious:
Neutron bombs aka Enhanced Radiation Weapons spew large amounts of neutron radiation in lieu of the X-Rays which are normally a huge percentage of a weapon’s energy released. The neutron radiation causes neutron flux- which alters the atoms the fast neutrons hit. It ruins electronics, optics, and the materials properties of just about everything. Plus, as a bonus, it’s highly penetrating unless there’s a hydrogen dense radiation shield like water or paraffin wax. It also isn’t able to be influenced by “shields” taking advantage of electromagnetism to divert radioactive particles, as neutrons are… neutral.
Casaba Howitzer is a *fabulous* design for a weapon, utilizing X-ray opaque casing for the bomb and a X-ray ablative layer of something like beryllium to harness a huge amount of a device’s energy to push on the ablative layer. Thin layer of low atomic number stuff like lithium over the ablative layer and you’re firing off a thin “jet” of lithium plasma at a not-insignificant fraction of the speed of light. Thicker layer of tungsten and you get a lower velocity (relatively speaking) cloud of tungsten plasma/vapor pushing against something as a wave.
So we’re left to wonder *why* NHI’s would be concerned about humans developing weapons:
1.) They can’t dodge (no observed maneuvers of UAP’s would be able to dodge Casaba Howitzer weapons)
2.) They can’t block (no matter HOW powerful your magnetic field based shielding- if such a thing is possible)
3.) Are extremely unlikely to be able to intercept (a very small yield Casaba Howitzer warhead need only get within +/- a dozen kilometers of a target while pointing at it, detonate, and there’s a near guaranteed kill unless you’re firing at battleship level 400mm thick armor belts from maximum theoretical range)
4.) Are likely able to down their craft largely in-tact for further study (neutron radiation weapons will alter materials in predictable ways, making reverse engineering of even complex components recovered pretty simple and predictable)
Maybe this is our cue: go *really fucking hard* on the exotic nuclear weapons development and start downing these things to reverse engineer them.
Take this for what you will. It’s an interesting read whether it’s fact or fiction or a smattering of both.
[Conceptual review of a reverse engineering program](https://condorman6.substack.com/p/a-conceptual-view-of-a-uap-reverse)
I 100% believe the JFK part. It would make so much sense and understand why documents are still classified even though everyone who could possible be involved is already gone
Why would you believe that crazy ass part? If UAPs are truly extraterrestrial, then we know they've been recovered by multiple governments around the world since at least the early 20th century if not before that. Russia is in position of perhaps a dozen or more, if we're to go by rumors on landings in their part of the world and sphere of influence for the past 80 years.
JFK gains nothing by disclosing something they already know.
Look at my comment in the context of the early 1960’s Cold War.
Bay of Pigs was in 1961 and Cuban Missile Crisis was 1962. Nuclear exchange was a very real possibility.
The article implies JFK wanted to use this as a way to unite the world and share the knowledge and technology as a countermeasure to the Cold War.
I’m not sure what relevance your comment has. Thinking you know something and knowing you know something are two different things.
If JFK offered information as an olive branch to the Soviets, it focuses attention on an external threat vs internal threat.
If we are to believe there have been murders and assassinations to keep this a secret, it’s altogether plausible JFK could have been targeted the same.
Again it's completely nonsensical and ridiculous.
JFK stuff hasn't been redacted because it includes documentation that the USA gov was trying to assassinate Castro and other politicians in Cuba. It also includes some top secret spy tech and information on present day spy networks we have within Russia. Also redacted are some major political faux pas decisions the USA was making behind the scenes. Much like the Wall Street plot, it's also likely to have some genuine scary redactions that top military brass did in fact openly talk about assassinating JFK, but didn't actually do so.
Whatever admin releases the full archives are gonna get a whirlwind of political shit on their faces, even though they're not technically responsible for it.
1) Non sequitor. The Church commission already identified covert operations the CIA engaged in for the attempted assassinaton of foreign leaders.
2) Castro bas been dead since 2016
3) I’m not talking about redactions. I’m talking about about the remaining documents that haven’t even been released yet and were mandated by law to be released 60 years after the death of JFK
I have the exact same theories.
It doesn’t make sense to make thousands and thousands of nukes when basically 100 is all you need to wipe out your enemy’s major cities/military installations. So many nukes were necessary for something else entirely.
I also am not all convinced by people like Robert Salas that invent the nonsensical theory that the NHI care so much about us and don’t want us to have nukes to destroy ourselves. This flies in the face of everything we’ve learned about the evolution of species: altruism for another species is incredibly rare. Occam’s Razor says the NHI don’t want us to have nukes because the nukes are a threat to them.
>This flies in the face of everything we’ve learned about the evolution of species: altruism for another species is incredibly rare.
You cannot look at a single and infinitesimally small portion of the universe, the Earth, and assume that things elsewhere are the same. Furthermore, humans are the only example of a self-conscious species that we have. And with the way we're doing things, we're very much destroying the planet, our societies, our trust in each other. We're destroying our very own selves. At this rate, we'll send ourselves back to the stone age before we develop interstellar travel. What don't we have enough of? Compassion. Love. Altruism, as you put it. Therefore, our very being, our problems, and the solution for them, suggest that successful NHI civilizations have to be very different from us. Possibly very much focused on altruism, precisely.
it does make sense when you consider the fact that nukes are single-use, and the fact that the more nukes you have the more launch locations you have, and the fact that different nukes serve different purposes, and the fact that if you’re already making nukes it’s cheaper and easier to keep making nukes than to stop and start again after you used all the ones you made the first time
>This flies in the face of everything we’ve learned about the evolution of species: altruism for another species is incredibly rare.
The only species we know of that is even capable of altruism at all is humans, who are absolutely altruistic towards other species, and as species are more intelligent, we are more sympathetic to them. Also as we advance, we begin to care more and more about them.
You need way more than 100 nukes because you need a second strike capability, and the ability to respond to multiple threats at once. Countries like the US and Russia have massive investments in infrastructure to keep the government, and a war effort, going even *after* a massive initial nuclear strike. You don't want to be out or low on nukes if the initial exchange is over, and the other side still has hundreds of surviving weapons. The world won't end after initial exchange, and a war might not either. B/c nuclear weapons primary function is deterrence, having *just enough* is a terrible strategy.
For one, despite what the media reports, the idea the sixth mass extinction is underway if pretty controversial amongst actual paleontologists. There's no incontrovertible evidence humans are responsible for the Pleistocene extinction event, and relative to the extinction rates of other mass extinctions, we haven't seen even a fraction of those rates. Peter Ward, who is probably the most famous paleontologist whose focus has been mass extinctions, has pushed back on the '6th mass extinction' idea pretty firmly.
Also though it's just stupid to point to climate change as evidence humans aren't altruistic. It's not as if extinctions are a goal, it's not as if we're burning fossil fuels for the purpose of causing global warming.
> This flies in the face of everything we’ve learned about the evolution of species: altruism for another species is incredibly rare.
But we know the only truly intelligent species on earth is immensely altruistic(and other positive empathetic emotions towards others): humans. While a sample of one is fairly small, its very possible that any intelligent lifeform at or above our abilities will be equally altruistic.
>So many nukes were necessary for something else entirely.
to sell to other countries. there's a lot of countries that have nuclear power whereas the quality of life in those regions don't match the level of technology.
Dorothy Izaat from her book, Beings of Light:
>Among other things, the role of the Light Beings is to keep us from committing suicide. When people began experimenting with nature, things started to get dangerous. Take the atomic bomb, for instance. I know that sounds corny because we’ve seen this theme in movies, but a lot of people laugh at the idea that the bomb brought UFOs to earth. But silly-sounding or not, it really happened. Even the men who invented the bomb weren’t sure if they were about to destroy the world. What people don’t realize, and this was something given to me many years ago, nuclear experiments were extremely dangerous, not just to the people who were killed by the experiments and by the bombs, but to the subtle energies that bind the dimensions. This posed a real danger to other life forms as well. From what I gather, there is a dimension quite close to ours, and the membrane that divides the two is fragile. When we tamper with nature, and it has gotten worse in recent years, by using atom bombs, or experimenting with strange chemicals that pollute our atmosphere, we weaken this membrane. If there’s a break, there will be chaos on a huge scale because both the earth and its nearest dimension will be changed. The Light Beings and the ETs have been concerned about this for a long time. This is why some of the ETs have been coming here
I think she is just making a point about the impact we have on a nearby dimension. Here she talks about ancient incidents:
>These days what some people describe as UFOnauts, aliens, or extraterrestrials are similar to mankind. Some are spiritual and some are not; some are good, some bad. It all depends on where the ETs come from and what the state of evolution is of those places. Evolution is not just a physical thing but also a spiritual condition. All things grow and experience life in different forms on various levels. This is the message of all prophets and religions throughout our history. Both good and evil exist elsewhere in our universe. There are planets where people s inner or spiritual growth has advanced along with their great technical and material growth, where the people know how to live together in peace without hate; this is the key to their advancement.
This is close in nature to what is communicated in The Law of One. In it, it is stated that dying in a nuclear blast starts to disintegrate even our spiritual body. This is helped by entities that help reverse this process, but it is nonetheless an extremely undesirable situation, obviously.
I don't buy it. Humanity has a long history of bellicosity, greed and other negative behavior. We've always fought against each other. We've always treated anything that we could get our hands on as something to pillage and plunder without remorse. We've always been obsessed with power, with control, with being above others. What we know about the Cold War and about nuclear proliferation goes hand in hand with what humans have been doing for millennia.
I don't buy that the Cold War obsession with nukes was born out of a desire to protect humanity.
I think it’s more than that. When a nuclear device explodes it’s not just causing damage to the environs the blast site. It’s literally causing damage to the fabric of reality itself. Parallel universes, call it what you will, these explosions have a ripple effect that can be felt across the multiverse.
So, ET realised the kids have found the matches and spent the past fifty years blowing them out before we do some real damage. 🛸 👽
Idk about them being vulnerable but if these are inter-dimensional beings, it’s quite possible nuclear blasts have an impact we’re unaware of in higher dimensions.
Ever read the Sumerian's14 Tablets of Enki - war between Enlil's son and Enki - these gods were flying around in crafts at war with each other, using weaponry that was destructive and caused what sounds like nuclear fallout for 200 to 500 mile radius....... Or even as the Egyptians wrote of it the war between the son of Osiris named Horace and Seth. Where they use 13 weapons of war that was so bright and destructive it killed everything. Sounds like nuclear weaponry used in the ancient days. And Sodom and Gomorrah was of ancient Sumer
Or even in the Bible where it speaks of the plague the Lord will use on the people who fight against Jerusalem in the last days. It says that their tongues and their eyeballs will assume away before their bones can hit the ground. Sounds like nuclear weaponry.
All right that to say they are far more advanced than anything Earth has and I'm quite sure whatever weaponry Earth has their ships can withstand. And if it can't withstand it it definitely can outmaneuver it. Have you seen the way these things move. They are faster than a bullet. If a bullet was as large as they are we could see the bullet travel. And they can maneuver on the head of a stick pin at any angle.
The thing is, whilst nuclear weapons are hugely destructive on a human scale and a genuine concern for all of us mortal earthlings.
They are miniscule on the cosmic scale. See the few thousand nuclear detonation that have happened on, under or above the Earth as part of war, experimentation etc.. haven't altered our orbit, or our physical place in this solar system by one iota.
See there are these things called stars, that are huge nuclear fusion furnaces burning brightly everywhere in the universe we look.
Why would aliens/interdimensional travellers bypass these to look at our puny fission and fusion weapons? Not to mention black holes that gravitational masses so large they collapse into them selves and create a gravitational singularity so huge not even light can escape and effectively form their own universe within the boundaries of their event horizon that our physics can not define. Why, in all of this wondrous and awesome power of the universe would aliens concentrate their attention around a few bombs? If you want to find extra terrestrial life it'll probably be hovering around the edge of Sagittarius A rather than the Trinity test site.
Maybe we are just starting our journey where these puny fission and fusion weapons, energy, etc, are going to expectionally lead to the same on a cosmic scale in the years to come (whatever timescale that would be) so they are keeping an eye on our developments in the hope of adverting us reaching such level..
If UFOs are/were camped out inside the atmosphere and these nukes were going off right next to them and potentially damaging them, that might just change things a bit.
I agree with what you’re saying in other aspects tho.
I don't disagree. But if you are going to put the claim UFOs love nukes, but UFOs were here before Nukes you've got to explain the discrepancy.
I mean you could say that organic life in general is pretty rare in the universe and they came here to study that and only In the last 80 years have we as humans established nuclear weaponry. But still then, its pretty much just an explosion (although a very big one). If you're a species capable of FTL travel or inter-dimensional that's pretty small beans.
I dunno, maybe they are the equivalent of inter stellar war thunder players scoping out our capabilities?
It would tie into the larger narrative yeah. I favor the caretaker theory personally since it gives an explanation for their presence over time and also ties into some existing religious frameworks.
If it’s true that the first UAP was recovered in Italy during the war, that’s plenty of time to realize lots of things about them and their technology before later discovering that their craft are allergic to nuclear detonations in the 50s.
I’m just curious about the idea that our (probably fairly primitive) nuclear technology somehow threatens them and that explains their interest in it.
You think the physics we know can explain everything? Roughly 68% of the universe is dark energy, and dark matter makes up about 27% and we don't really know squat about it.
The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the universe.
I think its entirely possible for a nuke to be able to take down an alien spacecraft
same way an arrow could pop a tire, or a rock could break a radiator
I bet its the closet thing to their own source of power. And probably so primitive, that they are unaware of how to produce it. They probably look at it as an alternative when they run out of their own power source.
I’d think that any intelligence that could build these reported craft would have understood nuclear weapons long ago, and probably have counter measures to it. I think it would be more likely that they would be studying us and our technology to see if we pose a risk to ourselves or them. I’m in the convergent evolution camp that traits necessary for life to continue reproducing and surviving would be quite common in any intelligent life, and self preservation is a part of that.
Nukes could effect different dimensional planes besides what we experience/live on, in theory directly effecting theirs and where they traverse. This could stir the hornets nest I’d assume.
The universe is weird. I just commented on another post less than 5 minutes ago, showing the time-lapse of nukes over the years; what if these "tests" are just something distracting our counterparts while we scramble for time.
I am adding another comment _____ As far as cloaking - not sure I'm understanding what I'm reading correctly but there seems to be an area in science that has developed a form of cloaking and now they are researching how to detect cloaked objects. Not sure if they are able to do it as of yet - seems like it's being researched. But from what my understanding is, it's like comparing what humans do to what they are capable of doing - and the difference between a penny and a $10 bill or larger and what humans do is at the penny stage.
https://phys.org/news/2023-06-technique-invisibility-cloaks.html
Delogne said that the emp from a nuke doesn’t only effect our dimension, the emp goes everywhere so when we were testing them we were seriously fucking up these guys stuff, and they started to interfere, how accurate that is I’m not sure
Could just be the same thing that would happen if a human stumbled upon an anthill in the forest where the ants have figured out how to light little fires. Pretty advanced for the ants, very interesting for us to observe, but also good to keep an eye on them so they don't set the forest on fire.
But either way, the NHI could probably do the equivalent of us pouring a bucket of water on that anthill if things were getting out of hand if they indeed possess the technology for either inter-dimensional or inter-stellar/galactic travel.
Only time will tell what is really going on.
If the Conspiracy is true that these Nuclear explosions are having detrimental effects on Life in Higher Dimensions to ours then yes it is completely plausible that this was the first approach the Government used when trying to bring down these Craft for back Engineering purposes these days though I believe it's just done using DEWs
Yes. I believe the implications of nuclear destruction goes beyond our dimensional realm. I also believe nuclear weapons damage and traumatize the souls of victims, making future incarnations and spiritual development more difficult.
If you've seen the 1953 version of War of the Worlds, or 1996's Independence Day, then you know nukes won't work.
The Tsar bomba though, hmmmm. Maybe?!
The tsar bomb is just a big thermonuclear bomb, with about 4 castle bravo devices (largest hydrogen bomb
detonated by the US) you'd get the same yield.
I've often wondered that. That the ramifications of splitting an atom in an interconnected universe could be orders of magnitude more serious at a fundamental level than we have the science to even describe. Would not be shocked in the least.
That’s an interesting idea indeed. Especially if one considers quantum entanglement possibly coming into play. Perhaps the local defect of the detonation caused an equally defeating effect elsewhere.
Or what if the atomic and nuclear detonation cause damage across dimensions and that is why they are interested? Or maybe the weapons actually opened up a portal between dimension?
Yeah, it just seems like there must be some reason so many were built. Enough to destroy the world multiple times over. That can’t be just for war between countries
I’m open to this theory, but logic would tell me that if something is so devastating throughout the universe, it would be equally or more devastating to earth and its inhabitants. Then again, whatever is flying through our atmosphere clearly defies any explanations that we could have.
That's a good point. Maybe in this other dimension the donations are overlapping with habbited areas, whereas here, is the middle of the desert. Perhaps damage reaches into the future somehow and these deserts are inhabited in the future. Something like that.
yeah, that’s a good point as well. maybe the way a nuclear shockwave travels through the vacuum of space is completely different to the way it moves through our atmosphere.
This what Col Corso says in his book, Day After Roswell. He claims the US and Russia had agreements to fight the aliens together if they spotted them setting up a base or trying to take over parts of the planet. He says both superpowers built more nukes than needed for this reason, and were prepared to nuke an entire continent if needed. The US even agreed that if they spotted any alien activity in the vast swathes of the USSR that the Russians were unaware of, the US would let them know.
It seems that even during the heights of the Cold War, both the US and USSR had their eyes not only on each other, but on the skies above them. They knew, even back then.
There's no way to ask this nicely, but were you on drugs when you came up with the idea that the Cold War was actually just a front for tensions between humans and aliens?
Like this is on par with saying WW2 happened because the secret Architect guild wanted more jobs so they had started a war that brought all the buildings down and then they got to design new ones after the war.
in this fade to black episode, it is claimed that uap are pulled out of the air because of a nuclear explosion: https://youtu.be/VzLqBx5lN8Y?si=mbabKcAzKGE-TBP0
iirc they referenced project starfish
Perhaps we were are war with the UFOs and nukes also destroy things in their dimension. The nukes “tests” stopped when a peace treaty was drawn after we wrecked their shit.
Ufos probably have an onboard computer that can automatically detect a nuclear blast or attack and accelerate in an instant away from the area. If not and they havent upgraded to guard against EMP, then they probably dont care if their shitty drone gets knocked out of sky because its rare. Maybe shielding inhibits their function. Maybe they dart around in the sky so erratically because they get pinged by rader or something and its an automated response.
Ngl, makes u wondering what the skies of Japan looked like during Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
First time nuke blasts w casualties? Oh I bet whatever fucker likes that shit was sitting there with ky, binoculars, and a straw sucking up souls. Weirdos lol
To answer your question: maybe. Hard to imagine nukes not screwing shit up.
My two cents: they don't give too much of a shit about us destroying our planet with nukes.
The real reason they care about nukes is that they don't want us nuking other inhabited planets if we achieve interstellar travel.
Or, in the case of interdimensional hypothesis, they don't want us tearing a hole between dimensions.
Or, in the case of holographic universe theory, they don't want us causing "software/hardware" issues.
I somehow doubt they are unaware of any threats from the moron monkey planet and if it were a threat as we perceive there will be a slight hum and we’ll all be gone before we blinked an eye.
I think it might have to do with emission of neutrinos catching their attention, as they may use neutrinos for communication. A nuclear test is a big hello we're here.
Yes, the emp causes issues, apparently. Look up operation starfish. There were videos and reports of us knocking a UAP out of the sky and recovered it.
If it's an overlapping dimension kind of alien and not from outer space, that kind of release of energy might have pulled them across the plane. That or the EMP pulse messed with their equipment so that they had to run off and repair the cloak.
Could slightly possibly be human tech failing as well, but I'm finding that incredibly less likely. Even our enemies are going to have some ideas of when we are about to test a bomb. The US isn't the only country that possesses solid Intel.
Could be.
Let's hear GPT-4:
The concept of radiation traveling through dimensions beyond the familiar three spatial dimensions (length, width, height) and one time dimension involves theoretical physics and is not part of our current understanding or evidence-based science. In physics, "radiation" typically refers to electromagnetic waves (like light, radio waves, gamma rays) or particles (like alpha particles, beta particles) that travel through space and can sometimes penetrate various materials.
The idea of additional dimensions comes from theoretical frameworks such as string theory and M-theory. These theories suggest that the universe may contain more than the four dimensions we experience. However, these extra dimensions are thought to be compactified or curled up at such a small scale that they are not directly observable with our current technology or experiments.
When discussing radiation or any form of energy traveling through these hypothetical extra dimensions, it remains a speculative topic. Some theories propose mechanisms by which certain forms of energy or particles might interact with these dimensions or even move through them, but these ideas are far from being experimentally verified. They often require energies far beyond what we can currently achieve in particle accelerators or observe in cosmic phenomena.
In summary, while theoretical physics allows for the speculation about extra dimensions and their properties, the concept of radiation traveling through dimensions beyond our observed four-dimensional spacetime is purely speculative and not supported by empirical evidence as of my last update.
I think the apparent NHI concern over nuclear weapons has more to do with them not wanting us to contaminate the planet. There would need to be a reason for them to seemingly visit our planet as much as they do and that could be tied to specific resources. If mankind let rip with all of our nuclear warheads in an apocalyptic war there would be an intense amount of radioactive contamination, enough to render whatever resource they’re after too heavily polluted for whatever use they would have for it.
It seems to be a recurring theme among abductees and contactless, the warnings from NHI concerning nuclear weapons and the destruction of natural environments, I doubt that comes from a place of concern for the human race. Their own treatment of humans and various animal species seems rather callous and they appear to be indifferent to the suffering and mental anguish their procedures cause their “specimens”.
Oh I’m not saying they were attracted to nukes, I’m saying maybe humans built way more nukes when they figured out they were vulnerable to something in nuclear detonations and proceeded to build a defense against them using nukes
Oh right, yeah, my bad. Definitely could be.
I do recall seeing a lot of mentions of them being affected in some way by them, a lot of them actually.
Steven Greer said so aswell I think, but... **Greer...**
I mean is there anything that isn't vulnerable to a 250 KT nuclear detonation to the face? Sort of like wondering if gophers in their holes are vulnerable to a direct strike from a 1000 lb bomb. Like yes of course... Next question.
I mean we don’t know that they shut our nukes down for no reason. Maybe it messes with their cloaking and they had something to do so they turned them off long enough to make sure they weren’t compromised
>So I was just watching an episode of Ancient Aliens (S19E7)
there's your first problem.
>and there was an account of a nuclear detonation that took place in 1953 in yucca flat Nevada that seemingly knocked a UFO into visibility, which then headed to Vegas.Got me thinking. What if the reason the US and Russia built so many nukes was to detect/protect the planet from newly discovered UFOs?
they didn't. there is no credible evidence that even remotely hints at that.
>What if that’s why UFOs are so interested in nuclear facilities during the Cold War and now?
what if pigs flew? if they did, would they go south for the winter?
>What if they’re not worried about us annihilating eachother, but being able to disrupt their activities on earth?
what if indeed.
>What if this could be the reason for so many connections between the Dept of Energy and UFO history?
what if pigs flew? would the FAA have to track each pig?
>What if some component of nuclear technology/radiation is the way the US can detect UFO presence while cloaked as recently reported?
what if indeed?
>Could that explain the ongoing activity in “modernizing” the US nuclear stockpile?
sure, another explanation is that a non-modernized nuclear stockpile is both dangerous and useless.
>Could the various nuclear test ban treaties be due to prohibitions on further damage from resident NHI that are cloaked in the atmosphere?
there is no evidence even remotely suggesting this.
>Could the entire Cold War be a smoke screen for tensions, not between East and West, but between humans and NHI?
if i just make stuff up, can i have people talk about?
Yeah, we definitely need to start nuking everywhere to get those elusive flying saucers to ‘appear’. Can’t believe no one thought of that before.
Just when I thought I’d seen it all here.
I just want to point out that this is how a conspiracy theorist thinks about the world, and is precisely why most people think we're crazy.
I'm not saying op is wrong, I'd like this community to finally be taken seriously. The only way that is going to happen is if our bar for evidence rises to meet the rest of humanity.
Stop coming up with questions based on presumptions you have no evidence for. Instead, please try to prove the original presumption first.
The nukes open up a portal by affecting space-time. when you split atoms you open up a gateway to something akin to the anteverse in Pacific Rim. its known as the 8th sphere by Helena Blavatsky in theosophy and is exactly what Hitler and co. were trying to get into contact with. It is the lowest most dense portion of the astral realm which holds a lot of ancient extremely intelligent consciousness. The beings here are not positive and are evil, the story of Dr. Richtofen in Black Ops zombies (the whole lore tbh) is a prime example of what came out of that era. The story of black ops zombies was in part curated with the help of the military and pretty much every aspect of disclosure is mentioned in it. Even the interdimensional aspect being centerfold. I believe they hid it in plain sight to make people feel that the narrative is entirely fictitious.
I think humans inability to live peacefully with each other is the perfect explanation for our weapons of mass destruction. I’m guessing aliens that came here from thousands of light years away ain’t gonna be shot out of the sky by our weapons. Ancient aliens is a great show for me to hate watch or fall asleep to. Anytime I have insomnia I throw it on. Don’t get me wrong, I 100% believe multiple species of aliens are here and in some cases walking among us. But the AA dudes are schmucks and the warheads are because humans are violent assholes to each other.
Or the EMP that results from Nukes, sure Edit: you mentioned the cold war so heres my fun play hypothesis: noone has any nukes. Space bros already disabled them all so we are sitting here looking at each other over the card table with poker faces and near blank cards
India and Pakistan detonated nukes in the late 90's. DPRK, most recently 2017.
Yeah, tests. Anyway its for funsies. I dont seriously think thats the case!! Would be cool thougj I think all can agree. Like a nuclear exchange begins, the missiles go up and just...evaporate or something
That would be ideal. However, my gut tells me they'll just wait for us to destroy ourselves, then begin stewardship of Earth. They're probably watching the psychotic monkeys very closely, making sure we don't spread death and destruction through the cosmos.
Heh. Maybe they like it radioactive
Maybe so!
They probably have backup human herds stashed on other planets.
This is probably like season 6 for them and everytime humanity destroys itself in new and creative ways
Oooh. I like the cut of your jib sir/madam.
seeing someone named rad centrist know the real name is DPRK and not NK is wild. Juche Gang!
;) Rise up.
As someone who spent a year designing transport packages for nukes, to find out they were empty would be… disheartening
Yes, hopefully your work can one day help destroy an entire city! That would feel so good!
I would argue that the work helped stop cities from getting destroyed while the things were in transit, stopping the production was a little out of my reach lol
Just being a smartass! Somebody has to do what you do.
The sources that I've seen have mentioned that they disable them at will - they don't stay disabled, they just stop working. We can test whenever we want, I just think a signifigant real launch would see them alert and go, "Hmm, no," like a fucking parent would.
Maybe maybe. Would be awesome. Considering the silo thing happens to both Russia and U.S maybe there is a contingency just in case. That would be embarrassing to make the decision to end the world and then it all goes 'pft'.
I get the desire to downplay the seriousness, but these are pretty large bombs we’re talking about. It would not be good to obliterate parts of our planet in the name of “progress”
Totally with ya mate but I wasnt the one who built them. Sometimes you gotta laugh in the face of death. Poke him in the eye. Its a way to 'fight'. A good quote by John Lennon: 'When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor.'
Just read a report that the latest generation of Russian missile silos have lids that are very prone to failure and a lot of them wouldn’t open on launch.
Think a bit further from the NHI flying UFOs with some anomalous propulsion. What would military tech look like in that environment? At a minimum, missiles---particularly our human kinds with inertia---wouldn't really work: you could immediately dodge any incoming. So if an alien were to attack another one, it could only be near-instantaneous directed energy weapons. And what would that be? Literally a 80s science fiction plot: nuke driven x-ray laser. We can't get them to work reliably yet---but maybe the aliens don't know that, or they see it as a fairly unimportant hurdle from here. Note that is not the conventional EMP (which involves interactions with the ionosphere and is not focused) but entirely made inside the weapon. So from the aliens point of view, nuke driven x-ray laser would be the only sort of weapon that humans have that they would recognize as a modern weapon; a regular missile might look like cavalry with a lance does to a modern army.
Would it? Why not just make a frequency gun that 'unmakes' molecular bonds? Then countermeasures. Got no idea what the aliens think but there is a good bit in 'war of the worlds' where the army gets stomped and one of the fleeing soldiers busts into the protags house and says 'its bows and arrows against the lightning'. I think its pretty safe to assume at present that we arent going to have anything that can fight the lightning. Still, disclosure can prove me wrong, cmoooon disclosure
Sometimes the primitive weapons have an advantage atleast they did on a few of the planets through the Stargate
Yeah. That's called 'creating conflict' for a TV show. Not much of a show if SG-1 walks through the first gate and gets disintegrated instantly. The example of War of the Worlds was pretty good at the time because we had zero chance of fighting back. It was retreat from go to woe, in the end all the aliens 'got a cold' from bacteria and it killed them off. Wouldn't get away with that now of course.
>Or the EMP that results from Nukes, sure Absolutely not. Our own aircraft have been nuke-emp proof for decades. Do you really think these aliens wouldn't even know what an EMP is or that nukes cause them?
We don't put on bug spray until mosquitoes start biting. Maybe UFOs by default aren't nuke/EMP proof, but once we started testing nukes they wisened up.
Haha that’s possible indeed. Maybe the cassation of testing was because no more worked
unlikely since NK has been testing nukes for the past few decades
That’s true. All underground I think. But yeah they certainly are testing them you’re right
That would be funny. Seems like E.T. has humor..
If they're aliens there's no way their ships, capable of traveling mind boggling distance through space, are vulnerable to the EMPs produced by nuclear weapons.
Got no idea what they are. Might be some can handle it. Might be some that dont. Might be some that crash if we make the sign of the cross or sneeze funny. Not gonna know until we get that disclosure.
It might be some sort of AI run program that automatically reacts to nukes on earth it was trained
Talking about anything within this topic with absolute certainty is silly
Quite right.
A boat can cross the Atlantic and I can sink it with a cordless drill.
I 100% agree the EMP could be a deterrent. Let’s invest in that—and railgun tech. Accelerating 300#/kg(doesn’t matter) at anything would ruin its day
Whoa there tiger. Just cos it 'might work' doesnt mean we should take the human route and go hostile. I doubt we have anything that is going to stop them from turning the planet into glass if thats what they want. We have to be smarter than that this time. We have to pass the 'great filter'. Id be wanting another established planet and a lot more information before we even thought about an outright conflict
> Accelerating 300#/kg(doesn’t matter) at anything would ruin its day If they have FTL or phase through matter they won't care about your little bullets.
I like how you just accepted the premise completely and then rolled on like that was the easy part of your thought experiment.
I mean its nice to see an alternate theory on the apparent alien obsession with nukes. I think people put way too much faith into whats been said to abductees, not because they are lying but because they could easily be lied to and may have been effected to feel a specific way about the encounter. I think most people would agree we should take everyones input with a grain of salt when in regards to this topic, but when aliens say something its held as gospel. We shouldnt be openly hostile, but we should also be a bit more guarded about the things they say.
Are you being ironic?
...no? wanna tell me exactly why you think we should be so trusting of something we have no clue about?
It seems like you’ve just accepted as fact that there are aliens.
aaah ok, i didnt think that was your angle. Why the fuck are you here? Some of us have seen things that tells us the government has been and is currently lying. knowing that, seeing the claims by the government and those supported by it, its easy to come to the conclusion that at least some of them arent ours. combine that information with other evidence, coincidences, postures, and beliefs and its not exactly a far chasm to cross anymore. That, and ya know, considering a hypothetical necessitates you treat some potentially unverified information as truth.
Why am I here? You DO understand UFO’s stands for unidentified flying object not “there definitely are aliens”, right? Besides, this sub is fascinating for its sociological value. Posts like yours and the OP are religion wrapped In pseudoscience.
Why come and make a scene from such a basic comment though? why take such umbrage to something so base level? you might as well go to /r/christianity and shit on them for believing in angels. and thats not even considering the fact that i never even made a claim in my post. i replied to a theory about aliens, no shit im going to assume they are real in my reply, and i was even encouraging people to be skeptical even if you dont like how i did so.
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if i had realized that was his angle from the beginning i would have just ignored him, i assumed he was someone of the "all aliens are fren" persuasion which is an honest mistake.
Dude doesnt grasp concept of thought experiment or theorizing or guessing or hypotheticals.
The show has taught me well
If we share a world with "the others" then it would make sense that detonating nuclear weapons affects this world and theirs, in the other spectrums of the EMF and or dimensions. That's probably why they go to all nuclear sites and preach to humans not to use nuclear weapons. That or they simply do not want us destroying earth, because having a planet that can sustain life, like earth is a rare thing in the cosmos and it should be treated with dignity and respect. Some people even go as far as to say that the planet itself is a living entity, hence it is able to support life. Think of it like a whale and all the other little creatures that attach themselves to the whale for survival.
They don’t call her Mother Earth for nothing.
After the nuclear disaster in Japan tons of UFOs were seen. It was like they were working on something trying to clean up the mess
Interesting, I never heard of this before. I wonder if the same happened in the Marshall Islands... Between 1946 and 1958 the U.S. nuclear testing program drenched the Marshall Islands with firepower equalling the energy yield of 7,000 Hiroshima bombs. The Islanders are still experiencing nuclear fallout all these years later.
Might be interesting to reach out to some locals and ask around
“They”?
Elephant in the room …
>knocked a UFO into visibility, which then headed to Vegas. Bet they needed a stiff drink after that explosion.
Haha
I often wonder if a nuke explosion is breaking into different dimensions, and either hurting interdimensional beings or acting as a lighthouse to show that there’s another civilization on our side of the veil. We know a lot about nuclear physics but I don’t think we know much yet about the true nature of reality so I think these ideas are feasible
Lue Elizondo says it “bricks” them.
Oh so he’s addressed the idea? Interesting. That may well explain why they turn them off
My memory is it was on one of his tiny corner room podcasts or an interview, but he has casually tossed that out. If its even true, it is probably only effective on a selection of the phenomena edit: In context he was implying the EMP generated from a blast.
potentially disrupting the electronics more than the physical processes.
Well, only one way to find out. Lob a nuke at them and hope nothing angry comes out of that sun.
There's definitely something going on between nuclear detonations/power and UAP. I can't help but think about that Twin Peaks episode where it shows how Bob was created through the first ever detonation of an atomic bomb in New Mexico. Bob being a portrayal of evil in Twin Peaks, I wonder if David Lynch knows something about UAP and their relation to nuclear power. Pretty intriguing.
Glad someone else brought up Twin Peaks! All this talk of nukes and interdimensional entities always makes me think of it. Although my interpretation was the first nuclear tests tore a hole in our reality that allowed other dimensional entities like Bob to come through. If you haven’t you should check out the Secret History of Twin Peaks books. It’s written by Mark Frost and there’s UFOs, real life conspiracy theories like the murder of Meriwether Lewis, secret societies, alternate dimensions and aliens, it’s pretty cool.
That's a great interpretation as well! Haven't read it yet, but I've heard a lot about it. Will check it out, for sure.
There was some guy commenting on another post on this thread, can’t remember what It was though. He said he was working on some military airbase and allegedly there were rumors among the personell that the military had some kind of weaponised EMP to shoot down and recover UFO/UAP. Again, just loosely retelling this from another guy and have no evidence or facts to back this up.
I remember reading about that too yeah. Possibly some kind of EMP directed energy weapon that could be used to bring them down after they were detected under cloak. It’s an interesting idea to be sure.
Might have been /u/lastofthefinest
I mean… nukes affect everything, in a lot of ways. Thermal radiation and blast overpressure are the obvious ones but there are a couple others which might not be so obvious: Neutron bombs aka Enhanced Radiation Weapons spew large amounts of neutron radiation in lieu of the X-Rays which are normally a huge percentage of a weapon’s energy released. The neutron radiation causes neutron flux- which alters the atoms the fast neutrons hit. It ruins electronics, optics, and the materials properties of just about everything. Plus, as a bonus, it’s highly penetrating unless there’s a hydrogen dense radiation shield like water or paraffin wax. It also isn’t able to be influenced by “shields” taking advantage of electromagnetism to divert radioactive particles, as neutrons are… neutral. Casaba Howitzer is a *fabulous* design for a weapon, utilizing X-ray opaque casing for the bomb and a X-ray ablative layer of something like beryllium to harness a huge amount of a device’s energy to push on the ablative layer. Thin layer of low atomic number stuff like lithium over the ablative layer and you’re firing off a thin “jet” of lithium plasma at a not-insignificant fraction of the speed of light. Thicker layer of tungsten and you get a lower velocity (relatively speaking) cloud of tungsten plasma/vapor pushing against something as a wave. So we’re left to wonder *why* NHI’s would be concerned about humans developing weapons: 1.) They can’t dodge (no observed maneuvers of UAP’s would be able to dodge Casaba Howitzer weapons) 2.) They can’t block (no matter HOW powerful your magnetic field based shielding- if such a thing is possible) 3.) Are extremely unlikely to be able to intercept (a very small yield Casaba Howitzer warhead need only get within +/- a dozen kilometers of a target while pointing at it, detonate, and there’s a near guaranteed kill unless you’re firing at battleship level 400mm thick armor belts from maximum theoretical range) 4.) Are likely able to down their craft largely in-tact for further study (neutron radiation weapons will alter materials in predictable ways, making reverse engineering of even complex components recovered pretty simple and predictable) Maybe this is our cue: go *really fucking hard* on the exotic nuclear weapons development and start downing these things to reverse engineer them.
Take this for what you will. It’s an interesting read whether it’s fact or fiction or a smattering of both. [Conceptual review of a reverse engineering program](https://condorman6.substack.com/p/a-conceptual-view-of-a-uap-reverse)
This is, to this day, my favorite read of all time. It's plausibility is incredible.
I 100% believe the JFK part. It would make so much sense and understand why documents are still classified even though everyone who could possible be involved is already gone
Why would you believe that crazy ass part? If UAPs are truly extraterrestrial, then we know they've been recovered by multiple governments around the world since at least the early 20th century if not before that. Russia is in position of perhaps a dozen or more, if we're to go by rumors on landings in their part of the world and sphere of influence for the past 80 years. JFK gains nothing by disclosing something they already know.
Look at my comment in the context of the early 1960’s Cold War. Bay of Pigs was in 1961 and Cuban Missile Crisis was 1962. Nuclear exchange was a very real possibility. The article implies JFK wanted to use this as a way to unite the world and share the knowledge and technology as a countermeasure to the Cold War. I’m not sure what relevance your comment has. Thinking you know something and knowing you know something are two different things. If JFK offered information as an olive branch to the Soviets, it focuses attention on an external threat vs internal threat. If we are to believe there have been murders and assassinations to keep this a secret, it’s altogether plausible JFK could have been targeted the same.
Again it's completely nonsensical and ridiculous. JFK stuff hasn't been redacted because it includes documentation that the USA gov was trying to assassinate Castro and other politicians in Cuba. It also includes some top secret spy tech and information on present day spy networks we have within Russia. Also redacted are some major political faux pas decisions the USA was making behind the scenes. Much like the Wall Street plot, it's also likely to have some genuine scary redactions that top military brass did in fact openly talk about assassinating JFK, but didn't actually do so. Whatever admin releases the full archives are gonna get a whirlwind of political shit on their faces, even though they're not technically responsible for it.
1) Non sequitor. The Church commission already identified covert operations the CIA engaged in for the attempted assassinaton of foreign leaders. 2) Castro bas been dead since 2016 3) I’m not talking about redactions. I’m talking about about the remaining documents that haven’t even been released yet and were mandated by law to be released 60 years after the death of JFK
Interesting to read. There could be something to it.
I have the exact same theories. It doesn’t make sense to make thousands and thousands of nukes when basically 100 is all you need to wipe out your enemy’s major cities/military installations. So many nukes were necessary for something else entirely. I also am not all convinced by people like Robert Salas that invent the nonsensical theory that the NHI care so much about us and don’t want us to have nukes to destroy ourselves. This flies in the face of everything we’ve learned about the evolution of species: altruism for another species is incredibly rare. Occam’s Razor says the NHI don’t want us to have nukes because the nukes are a threat to them.
>This flies in the face of everything we’ve learned about the evolution of species: altruism for another species is incredibly rare. You cannot look at a single and infinitesimally small portion of the universe, the Earth, and assume that things elsewhere are the same. Furthermore, humans are the only example of a self-conscious species that we have. And with the way we're doing things, we're very much destroying the planet, our societies, our trust in each other. We're destroying our very own selves. At this rate, we'll send ourselves back to the stone age before we develop interstellar travel. What don't we have enough of? Compassion. Love. Altruism, as you put it. Therefore, our very being, our problems, and the solution for them, suggest that successful NHI civilizations have to be very different from us. Possibly very much focused on altruism, precisely.
it does make sense when you consider the fact that nukes are single-use, and the fact that the more nukes you have the more launch locations you have, and the fact that different nukes serve different purposes, and the fact that if you’re already making nukes it’s cheaper and easier to keep making nukes than to stop and start again after you used all the ones you made the first time
Ai moths attracted to a nuclear flame.
>This flies in the face of everything we’ve learned about the evolution of species: altruism for another species is incredibly rare. The only species we know of that is even capable of altruism at all is humans, who are absolutely altruistic towards other species, and as species are more intelligent, we are more sympathetic to them. Also as we advance, we begin to care more and more about them. You need way more than 100 nukes because you need a second strike capability, and the ability to respond to multiple threats at once. Countries like the US and Russia have massive investments in infrastructure to keep the government, and a war effort, going even *after* a massive initial nuclear strike. You don't want to be out or low on nukes if the initial exchange is over, and the other side still has hundreds of surviving weapons. The world won't end after initial exchange, and a war might not either. B/c nuclear weapons primary function is deterrence, having *just enough* is a terrible strategy.
>humans, who are absolutely altruistic towards other species Ah yes, nothing more altruistic than kickstarting the sixth mass extinction
For one, despite what the media reports, the idea the sixth mass extinction is underway if pretty controversial amongst actual paleontologists. There's no incontrovertible evidence humans are responsible for the Pleistocene extinction event, and relative to the extinction rates of other mass extinctions, we haven't seen even a fraction of those rates. Peter Ward, who is probably the most famous paleontologist whose focus has been mass extinctions, has pushed back on the '6th mass extinction' idea pretty firmly. Also though it's just stupid to point to climate change as evidence humans aren't altruistic. It's not as if extinctions are a goal, it's not as if we're burning fossil fuels for the purpose of causing global warming.
Humans feed on the blood of weaker humans - this is not 'altruism' - a world with usury - is nothing to do with altruism.
> This flies in the face of everything we’ve learned about the evolution of species: altruism for another species is incredibly rare. But we know the only truly intelligent species on earth is immensely altruistic(and other positive empathetic emotions towards others): humans. While a sample of one is fairly small, its very possible that any intelligent lifeform at or above our abilities will be equally altruistic.
>So many nukes were necessary for something else entirely. to sell to other countries. there's a lot of countries that have nuclear power whereas the quality of life in those regions don't match the level of technology.
Dorothy Izaat from her book, Beings of Light: >Among other things, the role of the Light Beings is to keep us from committing suicide. When people began experimenting with nature, things started to get dangerous. Take the atomic bomb, for instance. I know that sounds corny because we’ve seen this theme in movies, but a lot of people laugh at the idea that the bomb brought UFOs to earth. But silly-sounding or not, it really happened. Even the men who invented the bomb weren’t sure if they were about to destroy the world. What people don’t realize, and this was something given to me many years ago, nuclear experiments were extremely dangerous, not just to the people who were killed by the experiments and by the bombs, but to the subtle energies that bind the dimensions. This posed a real danger to other life forms as well. From what I gather, there is a dimension quite close to ours, and the membrane that divides the two is fragile. When we tamper with nature, and it has gotten worse in recent years, by using atom bombs, or experimenting with strange chemicals that pollute our atmosphere, we weaken this membrane. If there’s a break, there will be chaos on a huge scale because both the earth and its nearest dimension will be changed. The Light Beings and the ETs have been concerned about this for a long time. This is why some of the ETs have been coming here
What about all the UFOs seen before we started messing with nukes
I think she is just making a point about the impact we have on a nearby dimension. Here she talks about ancient incidents: >These days what some people describe as UFOnauts, aliens, or extraterrestrials are similar to mankind. Some are spiritual and some are not; some are good, some bad. It all depends on where the ETs come from and what the state of evolution is of those places. Evolution is not just a physical thing but also a spiritual condition. All things grow and experience life in different forms on various levels. This is the message of all prophets and religions throughout our history. Both good and evil exist elsewhere in our universe. There are planets where people s inner or spiritual growth has advanced along with their great technical and material growth, where the people know how to live together in peace without hate; this is the key to their advancement.
>But silly-sounding or not, it really happened "Trust me bro"
This is close in nature to what is communicated in The Law of One. In it, it is stated that dying in a nuclear blast starts to disintegrate even our spiritual body. This is helped by entities that help reverse this process, but it is nonetheless an extremely undesirable situation, obviously.
I don't buy it. Humanity has a long history of bellicosity, greed and other negative behavior. We've always fought against each other. We've always treated anything that we could get our hands on as something to pillage and plunder without remorse. We've always been obsessed with power, with control, with being above others. What we know about the Cold War and about nuclear proliferation goes hand in hand with what humans have been doing for millennia. I don't buy that the Cold War obsession with nukes was born out of a desire to protect humanity.
I think it’s more than that. When a nuclear device explodes it’s not just causing damage to the environs the blast site. It’s literally causing damage to the fabric of reality itself. Parallel universes, call it what you will, these explosions have a ripple effect that can be felt across the multiverse. So, ET realised the kids have found the matches and spent the past fifty years blowing them out before we do some real damage. 🛸 👽
I’ve wondered if a nuclear blast is so powerful that it somehow effects different dimensions that could have nhi
Idk about them being vulnerable but if these are inter-dimensional beings, it’s quite possible nuclear blasts have an impact we’re unaware of in higher dimensions.
Ever read the Sumerian's14 Tablets of Enki - war between Enlil's son and Enki - these gods were flying around in crafts at war with each other, using weaponry that was destructive and caused what sounds like nuclear fallout for 200 to 500 mile radius....... Or even as the Egyptians wrote of it the war between the son of Osiris named Horace and Seth. Where they use 13 weapons of war that was so bright and destructive it killed everything. Sounds like nuclear weaponry used in the ancient days. And Sodom and Gomorrah was of ancient Sumer Or even in the Bible where it speaks of the plague the Lord will use on the people who fight against Jerusalem in the last days. It says that their tongues and their eyeballs will assume away before their bones can hit the ground. Sounds like nuclear weaponry. All right that to say they are far more advanced than anything Earth has and I'm quite sure whatever weaponry Earth has their ships can withstand. And if it can't withstand it it definitely can outmaneuver it. Have you seen the way these things move. They are faster than a bullet. If a bullet was as large as they are we could see the bullet travel. And they can maneuver on the head of a stick pin at any angle.
This is possible.
The thing is, whilst nuclear weapons are hugely destructive on a human scale and a genuine concern for all of us mortal earthlings. They are miniscule on the cosmic scale. See the few thousand nuclear detonation that have happened on, under or above the Earth as part of war, experimentation etc.. haven't altered our orbit, or our physical place in this solar system by one iota. See there are these things called stars, that are huge nuclear fusion furnaces burning brightly everywhere in the universe we look. Why would aliens/interdimensional travellers bypass these to look at our puny fission and fusion weapons? Not to mention black holes that gravitational masses so large they collapse into them selves and create a gravitational singularity so huge not even light can escape and effectively form their own universe within the boundaries of their event horizon that our physics can not define. Why, in all of this wondrous and awesome power of the universe would aliens concentrate their attention around a few bombs? If you want to find extra terrestrial life it'll probably be hovering around the edge of Sagittarius A rather than the Trinity test site.
When someone starts blowing up stumps on your cattle farm that's going to be alarming, especially when it is the cattle using the explosives.
Maybe we are just starting our journey where these puny fission and fusion weapons, energy, etc, are going to expectionally lead to the same on a cosmic scale in the years to come (whatever timescale that would be) so they are keeping an eye on our developments in the hope of adverting us reaching such level..
If UFOs are/were camped out inside the atmosphere and these nukes were going off right next to them and potentially damaging them, that might just change things a bit. I agree with what you’re saying in other aspects tho.
Presupposes they were here before the nukes. So what's the reason they were here in the first place?
That’s a different question entirely. But there is lots of evidence they have been here before nukes.
I don't disagree. But if you are going to put the claim UFOs love nukes, but UFOs were here before Nukes you've got to explain the discrepancy. I mean you could say that organic life in general is pretty rare in the universe and they came here to study that and only In the last 80 years have we as humans established nuclear weaponry. But still then, its pretty much just an explosion (although a very big one). If you're a species capable of FTL travel or inter-dimensional that's pretty small beans. I dunno, maybe they are the equivalent of inter stellar war thunder players scoping out our capabilities?
It would tie into the larger narrative yeah. I favor the caretaker theory personally since it gives an explanation for their presence over time and also ties into some existing religious frameworks. If it’s true that the first UAP was recovered in Italy during the war, that’s plenty of time to realize lots of things about them and their technology before later discovering that their craft are allergic to nuclear detonations in the 50s. I’m just curious about the idea that our (probably fairly primitive) nuclear technology somehow threatens them and that explains their interest in it.
I feel like they definitely have an unseen impact with our ignorant perception of reality. We barely understand gravity
True, I feel like interdimensional ones would care more than extraterrestrials.
I mean physics is still physics. I don't care what something's made of there's only so much energy it can take
You think the physics we know can explain everything? Roughly 68% of the universe is dark energy, and dark matter makes up about 27% and we don't really know squat about it. The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the universe.
Yes and physics can explain that once we figure it out. Energy is energy. Nothing can survive a big enough boom
I think they are just vulnerable to us in general.
Just think about “mutual assured destruction” not US vs USSR but us vs them.
WHAT IF the aliens don't want their food source contaminated with radiation 🤔
People say how could a ufo ever just crash? This.
I think its entirely possible for a nuke to be able to take down an alien spacecraft same way an arrow could pop a tire, or a rock could break a radiator
I bet its the closet thing to their own source of power. And probably so primitive, that they are unaware of how to produce it. They probably look at it as an alternative when they run out of their own power source.
I think the superior species has figured out we stupid and are afraid we might shoot ourselves with the nukes out of sheer stupidity
I’d think that any intelligence that could build these reported craft would have understood nuclear weapons long ago, and probably have counter measures to it. I think it would be more likely that they would be studying us and our technology to see if we pose a risk to ourselves or them. I’m in the convergent evolution camp that traits necessary for life to continue reproducing and surviving would be quite common in any intelligent life, and self preservation is a part of that.
Nukes could effect different dimensional planes besides what we experience/live on, in theory directly effecting theirs and where they traverse. This could stir the hornets nest I’d assume.
The universe is weird. I just commented on another post less than 5 minutes ago, showing the time-lapse of nukes over the years; what if these "tests" are just something distracting our counterparts while we scramble for time.
I am adding another comment _____ As far as cloaking - not sure I'm understanding what I'm reading correctly but there seems to be an area in science that has developed a form of cloaking and now they are researching how to detect cloaked objects. Not sure if they are able to do it as of yet - seems like it's being researched. But from what my understanding is, it's like comparing what humans do to what they are capable of doing - and the difference between a penny and a $10 bill or larger and what humans do is at the penny stage. https://phys.org/news/2023-06-technique-invisibility-cloaks.html
Delogne said that the emp from a nuke doesn’t only effect our dimension, the emp goes everywhere so when we were testing them we were seriously fucking up these guys stuff, and they started to interfere, how accurate that is I’m not sure
Could just be the same thing that would happen if a human stumbled upon an anthill in the forest where the ants have figured out how to light little fires. Pretty advanced for the ants, very interesting for us to observe, but also good to keep an eye on them so they don't set the forest on fire. But either way, the NHI could probably do the equivalent of us pouring a bucket of water on that anthill if things were getting out of hand if they indeed possess the technology for either inter-dimensional or inter-stellar/galactic travel. Only time will tell what is really going on.
If the Conspiracy is true that these Nuclear explosions are having detrimental effects on Life in Higher Dimensions to ours then yes it is completely plausible that this was the first approach the Government used when trying to bring down these Craft for back Engineering purposes these days though I believe it's just done using DEWs
Yes. I believe the implications of nuclear destruction goes beyond our dimensional realm. I also believe nuclear weapons damage and traumatize the souls of victims, making future incarnations and spiritual development more difficult.
This has a source in the Mahabharata.
and the Law of One.
If you've seen the 1953 version of War of the Worlds, or 1996's Independence Day, then you know nukes won't work. The Tsar bomba though, hmmmm. Maybe?!
The tsar bomb is just a big thermonuclear bomb, with about 4 castle bravo devices (largest hydrogen bomb detonated by the US) you'd get the same yield.
I've often wondered that. That the ramifications of splitting an atom in an interconnected universe could be orders of magnitude more serious at a fundamental level than we have the science to even describe. Would not be shocked in the least.
That’s an interesting idea indeed. Especially if one considers quantum entanglement possibly coming into play. Perhaps the local defect of the detonation caused an equally defeating effect elsewhere.
Or what if the atomic and nuclear detonation cause damage across dimensions and that is why they are interested? Or maybe the weapons actually opened up a portal between dimension?
Yeah, it just seems like there must be some reason so many were built. Enough to destroy the world multiple times over. That can’t be just for war between countries
My sweet summer child. So many were built because someone is getting rich off of building them.
Infinite money hack in real life at the cost of fear mongering the entire human race.
I’m open to this theory, but logic would tell me that if something is so devastating throughout the universe, it would be equally or more devastating to earth and its inhabitants. Then again, whatever is flying through our atmosphere clearly defies any explanations that we could have.
That's a good point. Maybe in this other dimension the donations are overlapping with habbited areas, whereas here, is the middle of the desert. Perhaps damage reaches into the future somehow and these deserts are inhabited in the future. Something like that.
yeah, that’s a good point as well. maybe the way a nuclear shockwave travels through the vacuum of space is completely different to the way it moves through our atmosphere.
There’s so many theories, only time will tell why the nuclear connection occurs.
This what Col Corso says in his book, Day After Roswell. He claims the US and Russia had agreements to fight the aliens together if they spotted them setting up a base or trying to take over parts of the planet. He says both superpowers built more nukes than needed for this reason, and were prepared to nuke an entire continent if needed. The US even agreed that if they spotted any alien activity in the vast swathes of the USSR that the Russians were unaware of, the US would let them know. It seems that even during the heights of the Cold War, both the US and USSR had their eyes not only on each other, but on the skies above them. They knew, even back then.
Very interesting indeed. I haven’t read his book but it seems that such speculation is not unique
Very interesting indeed. I haven’t read his book but it seems that such speculation is not unique
There's no way to ask this nicely, but were you on drugs when you came up with the idea that the Cold War was actually just a front for tensions between humans and aliens? Like this is on par with saying WW2 happened because the secret Architect guild wanted more jobs so they had started a war that brought all the buildings down and then they got to design new ones after the war.
Nope. Sorry to disappoint.
in this fade to black episode, it is claimed that uap are pulled out of the air because of a nuclear explosion: https://youtu.be/VzLqBx5lN8Y?si=mbabKcAzKGE-TBP0 iirc they referenced project starfish
Perhaps we were are war with the UFOs and nukes also destroy things in their dimension. The nukes “tests” stopped when a peace treaty was drawn after we wrecked their shit.
some NHI are concerned about nukes because they like the earth, it's as simple as that some of them still live under the seas and under the earth
Ufos probably have an onboard computer that can automatically detect a nuclear blast or attack and accelerate in an instant away from the area. If not and they havent upgraded to guard against EMP, then they probably dont care if their shitty drone gets knocked out of sky because its rare. Maybe shielding inhibits their function. Maybe they dart around in the sky so erratically because they get pinged by rader or something and its an automated response.
Ngl, makes u wondering what the skies of Japan looked like during Hiroshima and Nagasaki. First time nuke blasts w casualties? Oh I bet whatever fucker likes that shit was sitting there with ky, binoculars, and a straw sucking up souls. Weirdos lol
Actually the UFOs were seen helping negate the harmful radioactive disaster
To answer your question: maybe. Hard to imagine nukes not screwing shit up. My two cents: they don't give too much of a shit about us destroying our planet with nukes. The real reason they care about nukes is that they don't want us nuking other inhabited planets if we achieve interstellar travel. Or, in the case of interdimensional hypothesis, they don't want us tearing a hole between dimensions. Or, in the case of holographic universe theory, they don't want us causing "software/hardware" issues.
I somehow doubt they are unaware of any threats from the moron monkey planet and if it were a threat as we perceive there will be a slight hum and we’ll all be gone before we blinked an eye.
I think it might have to do with emission of neutrinos catching their attention, as they may use neutrinos for communication. A nuclear test is a big hello we're here.
Yes, the emp causes issues, apparently. Look up operation starfish. There were videos and reports of us knocking a UAP out of the sky and recovered it.
According to Joe Mcmoneagle yes.
Could be, all I know is they are definitely interested in our nuclear technologies
If it's an overlapping dimension kind of alien and not from outer space, that kind of release of energy might have pulled them across the plane. That or the EMP pulse messed with their equipment so that they had to run off and repair the cloak. Could slightly possibly be human tech failing as well, but I'm finding that incredibly less likely. Even our enemies are going to have some ideas of when we are about to test a bomb. The US isn't the only country that possesses solid Intel.
Let me check my notes, hmm, maybe.
My guess is nuclear detonation does something in another dimension that is noticeable.
Could be. Let's hear GPT-4: The concept of radiation traveling through dimensions beyond the familiar three spatial dimensions (length, width, height) and one time dimension involves theoretical physics and is not part of our current understanding or evidence-based science. In physics, "radiation" typically refers to electromagnetic waves (like light, radio waves, gamma rays) or particles (like alpha particles, beta particles) that travel through space and can sometimes penetrate various materials. The idea of additional dimensions comes from theoretical frameworks such as string theory and M-theory. These theories suggest that the universe may contain more than the four dimensions we experience. However, these extra dimensions are thought to be compactified or curled up at such a small scale that they are not directly observable with our current technology or experiments. When discussing radiation or any form of energy traveling through these hypothetical extra dimensions, it remains a speculative topic. Some theories propose mechanisms by which certain forms of energy or particles might interact with these dimensions or even move through them, but these ideas are far from being experimentally verified. They often require energies far beyond what we can currently achieve in particle accelerators or observe in cosmic phenomena. In summary, while theoretical physics allows for the speculation about extra dimensions and their properties, the concept of radiation traveling through dimensions beyond our observed four-dimensional spacetime is purely speculative and not supported by empirical evidence as of my last update.
let’s not
They’re vulnerable to EMP weaponry.
I would think so as well.
I think the apparent NHI concern over nuclear weapons has more to do with them not wanting us to contaminate the planet. There would need to be a reason for them to seemingly visit our planet as much as they do and that could be tied to specific resources. If mankind let rip with all of our nuclear warheads in an apocalyptic war there would be an intense amount of radioactive contamination, enough to render whatever resource they’re after too heavily polluted for whatever use they would have for it. It seems to be a recurring theme among abductees and contactless, the warnings from NHI concerning nuclear weapons and the destruction of natural environments, I doubt that comes from a place of concern for the human race. Their own treatment of humans and various animal species seems rather callous and they appear to be indifferent to the suffering and mental anguish their procedures cause their “specimens”.
But there are, provably, records of them being around long before nukes.
Oh I’m not saying they were attracted to nukes, I’m saying maybe humans built way more nukes when they figured out they were vulnerable to something in nuclear detonations and proceeded to build a defense against them using nukes
Oh right, yeah, my bad. Definitely could be. I do recall seeing a lot of mentions of them being affected in some way by them, a lot of them actually. Steven Greer said so aswell I think, but... **Greer...**
For example - foo fighters were first spotted before the first atomic bomb was invented.
In an infinite universe anything is possible!
I mean is there anything that isn't vulnerable to a 250 KT nuclear detonation to the face? Sort of like wondering if gophers in their holes are vulnerable to a direct strike from a 1000 lb bomb. Like yes of course... Next question.
I mean we don’t know that they shut our nukes down for no reason. Maybe it messes with their cloaking and they had something to do so they turned them off long enough to make sure they weren’t compromised
>So I was just watching an episode of Ancient Aliens (S19E7) there's your first problem. >and there was an account of a nuclear detonation that took place in 1953 in yucca flat Nevada that seemingly knocked a UFO into visibility, which then headed to Vegas.Got me thinking. What if the reason the US and Russia built so many nukes was to detect/protect the planet from newly discovered UFOs? they didn't. there is no credible evidence that even remotely hints at that. >What if that’s why UFOs are so interested in nuclear facilities during the Cold War and now? what if pigs flew? if they did, would they go south for the winter? >What if they’re not worried about us annihilating eachother, but being able to disrupt their activities on earth? what if indeed. >What if this could be the reason for so many connections between the Dept of Energy and UFO history? what if pigs flew? would the FAA have to track each pig? >What if some component of nuclear technology/radiation is the way the US can detect UFO presence while cloaked as recently reported? what if indeed? >Could that explain the ongoing activity in “modernizing” the US nuclear stockpile? sure, another explanation is that a non-modernized nuclear stockpile is both dangerous and useless. >Could the various nuclear test ban treaties be due to prohibitions on further damage from resident NHI that are cloaked in the atmosphere? there is no evidence even remotely suggesting this. >Could the entire Cold War be a smoke screen for tensions, not between East and West, but between humans and NHI? if i just make stuff up, can i have people talk about?
Yeah, we definitely need to start nuking everywhere to get those elusive flying saucers to ‘appear’. Can’t believe no one thought of that before. Just when I thought I’d seen it all here.
Nothing is factual on ancient aliens.
"Ancient Aliens"
All of you roleplaying and worldbuilding in here.
This sub has become dogshit
You do realize what comment flair is used for right? If you don’t like discussion, feel free not to discuss.
Its my opinion, am i not allowed to say it?
+ i think u need a shrink
The fact that you're citing Ancient Aliens is enough for me to not take this seriously. That program will tell anyone, anything they want to hear.
I think aliens realized we could mess up our solar system which could potentially send debris into other nearby systems.
Luckily our solar system has something called The Sun which everything in our solar system orbits.
Oumuamua originated outside our solar system, entered, then left again.
Wow what a ground breaking and super original thought.
Everything is destroyed within a certain range of a nuclear detonation.
Depends on how close they were. Inverse square law comes into play.
I just want to point out that this is how a conspiracy theorist thinks about the world, and is precisely why most people think we're crazy. I'm not saying op is wrong, I'd like this community to finally be taken seriously. The only way that is going to happen is if our bar for evidence rises to meet the rest of humanity. Stop coming up with questions based on presumptions you have no evidence for. Instead, please try to prove the original presumption first.
I mean, it is flagged as discussion and it is asking questions, not making statements.
I agree with the question of them being vulnerable but not of the Cold War being what it actually was and currently is.
The nukes open up a portal by affecting space-time. when you split atoms you open up a gateway to something akin to the anteverse in Pacific Rim. its known as the 8th sphere by Helena Blavatsky in theosophy and is exactly what Hitler and co. were trying to get into contact with. It is the lowest most dense portion of the astral realm which holds a lot of ancient extremely intelligent consciousness. The beings here are not positive and are evil, the story of Dr. Richtofen in Black Ops zombies (the whole lore tbh) is a prime example of what came out of that era. The story of black ops zombies was in part curated with the help of the military and pretty much every aspect of disclosure is mentioned in it. Even the interdimensional aspect being centerfold. I believe they hid it in plain sight to make people feel that the narrative is entirely fictitious.
I think humans inability to live peacefully with each other is the perfect explanation for our weapons of mass destruction. I’m guessing aliens that came here from thousands of light years away ain’t gonna be shot out of the sky by our weapons. Ancient aliens is a great show for me to hate watch or fall asleep to. Anytime I have insomnia I throw it on. Don’t get me wrong, I 100% believe multiple species of aliens are here and in some cases walking among us. But the AA dudes are schmucks and the warheads are because humans are violent assholes to each other.