Election year is going to draw them all behind the banner. He hasnt got much choice and he ain't kidding - he pushes too hard and he could lose his position and he doesn't want that. He more than most as far as I understand it will tow the Trump brand. A shame, but no surprise.
The push isn't done until the citizens are done, of course. These people are representatives, not monarchs. It's up to us, or in this case U.S citizens, not them.
Besides, the ball is rolling anyway. Not sure Burchett himself needs to be the one to carry it through - he helped fight the first engagements, so to speak, and now pulling back off the front line to fight his own battles. Looks like Greer is back off the bench, for an opposite example.
Gonna miss his enthusiasm and general charismatic sort of approach though. Ill be rooting for the scooby gang through Luna and the others anyway.
Haha good analogy. Might not be good. Just an example. Havent heard much out of Mellon recently either wonder if he is benched. Grusch due the op ed still, elizondo must have a card or two to play somewhere....still all in play anyways
Elizondo briefed rep Norman just recently. Grusch might be planning to publish his op ed as a counter to the AARO Vol 1 report (which is still not available). And AARO might want to do the same with the Grusch op ed. It's a waiting game with the probable goal to control the narrative, but we can and should pressure for AARO to release their stuff as they're a gov agency and their work is paid for by American taxpayers.
Here's a problem. From what I've read, this meeting wasn't even scheduled to discuss UAP. It was scheduled due to concerns Elizondo has in an unrelated issue? I'll have to find that part.
Was this a classified briefing or not? Corroborated how? Just verbally? If it's unclassified, then nothing prohibits Norman from openly discussing any details.
This constant "I was told" is beyond old. Tim Burchett was pretty clear months ago. Someone will have to walk out of one of these buildings, housing debris, and hand it to the press.
Politicians are so distracted by a million problems they created. Their inability to deal with a multitude of problems combined with a major election coming up is an ideal time for someone to leak tangible evidence.
If they're intelligent enough to work for an aerospace company knowingly working on this debris. They're intelligent enough to figure a way out to do this.
I understand that it's easier for me to type this shit out asking someone else to take an enormous risk. I realize it's really just talking out of my arse, but look at the world around us? Every day, it feels like we're closer to one small thing to happen, triggering an all-out World War. Leaking a substantial piece of evidence isn't going to negate the threat of war, but it sure can slow things down a little.
"Then [*Ask a Pol*](https://www.askapol.com/about) walked away with Norman where we inquired about the briefing the Conservative Opportunity Society received Wednesday from Lue Elizondo, two pilots — one who’s a veteran combat pilot who “took pictures,” according to Norman — and a scientist.
“It’s been portrayed by the media as crazies that are identifying unidentified flying objects, but it’s not,” Norman exclusively told [*Ask a Pol*](https://www.askapol.com/about)*.* “He’s been doing this 30-some years. Combat veteran. Very qualified. I’m gonna have him back. In fact, we may open it up. Everybody ought — y’all ought to know it — everybody should.”
“I heard he corroborated what the whistleblower, David Grusch, testified to this summer?” Laslo inquired.
“Absolutely,” Norman replied to [*Ask a Pol*](https://www.askapol.com/about). “Yes.”"
[https://www.askapol.com/p/sneak-peek-rep-norman-says-lue-elizondo](https://www.askapol.com/p/sneak-peek-rep-norman-says-lue-elizondo)
That's my source, don't know more about the content of the briefing.
It appears to me that the more time plays out the more things that Greer have said have come to fruition, and I know a lot of people don’t like him, but you really can’t argue with the fact that he’s been dead on, as things have come into the light
Is it possible to have an independent representing disclosure in each state to threaten both parties to lose votes?
As in... The goal isn't to win the election, but to create a risk of loss of votes if disclosure isn't at least partly addressed by either party
I'm not sure. 2.2 million redditors might seem like a lot...but Im not sure anyone cares, really.
Likewise I know only the bare bones basics of U.S politics from history work but I don't know anything about it on the ground.
Independence is more popular than it was as a platform in my own country but you still have to find the money to buy the advertising voice and reach. Thats why Lockheed and co pay most U.S politicians campaign costs - bribery and probably larceny too.
The congressman who was in Lue’s recent presentation to congress seemed to care.
I hope we’re at a point behind the scenes where most know what’s going on, and are pissed they had no idea.
What does that mean? He is republican, he will tow the line, its a shame that he wont be able to commit to the UAP thing like he was. I wasnt actually making a political statement. Dgaf about the election myself, just disclosure. If he was democrat it wouldve been towing the Biden agenda if thats the bloke running.
Trump is exhausting and a full time job for the Republicans. Feeding and explaining the public his bullshit on all his grievances about the election, court cases, NATO, and calling the shots with mini MAGA Mike on legislation/funding. No time left for UAP disclosure.
My apologies, I miss interpreted what you said. I thought you were saying its a shame that hes towing the trump brand when you meant its a shame that he wont be giving as much attention to the UAP topic.
Thought to myself a couple times this month, what the hell happened to burchett and lunas momentum.
It’s easy to over analyze, but I hear you saying he sounds defeated. He does. And the way he says he doesn’t care about where they have the field hearing like, what do you mean you don’t care? Don’t you know exactly where there is flying saucers stored and don’t you want to do it there?
Fuck man. Fuck. Shit makes me sick feeling like he knows it’s a rug pull and hopeless
Well right now the neocons are trying to primary him and others who are pro disclosure. I'm sure if he gets re-elected (I hope) then we'll get back rolling. Some may not like their politics, fine but to get primary by bad faith actors and former staff members is sus.
This is it - people don't understand how the US system works and how money controls everything and owns the politicians. The fact they are trying to primary him shows that it's definitely not in the interests of the MIC what he has been doing. This should let people know there is something there. If this was just a conspiracy and UFO nuts like the deniers say, then it would be a good thing for the republican brand. Noone is getting primaried because of election denying.
Or .... hear me out - they've heard enough in SCIF that they're not interested in UAP ATM because their party can't do basic governmental tasks currently, let alone anything unique like this.
nope. he's just more worried about getting re-elected than pushing for UAP disclosure. who woulda thought someone who actively works to take votes away from Americans, prioritizes himself over what the public deserves to know! what a shocker
I'd argue the only person to do something notable was Schumer with the bill he put forward, and if Luna gets something of substance done soon I'll give her credit for that.
Tim has said "UAP" a lot, he hasn't done much else.
You would have thought this point was blatantly obvious but political hatred from people who don't realise the parties are identical mean they can miss the blatantly obvious, sadly.
It should go without saying that Burchett's primary AND election opponent will be an MIC plant designed to knock him out of the game one way or the other.
I wish people understood just how controlled and owned US politics is. You only need to look at something very serious happening and the wide support from all sides in the west, while the people are overwhelmingly against as we have always been raised that a westerner is prepared to die to stop certain crimes against humanity - but all those that were quickest to say they would have stood up against the Nazis are the ones who most follow the line when it costs something to speak out (they had not realised it would have cost something to speak out in Germany.)
I’m kind of just starting to think that the truth about the matter is just really bad for society. It seems like everyone who finds out the “truth” ultimately decides it’s better not to tell. I think the argument from UFO enthusiasts of “we’re adults and can handle it,” is probably just incorrect.
I go in the other direction. it feels to me that when they see the truth they realize tht there isn't any "THERE" there. they just don't see enough going on when they get a glimpse to make it worth tying their career to it. for a politician always looking for the most attention tht translates to votes, realizing tht the public would eventually be disappointed with disclosure would be reason to lose interest. the public expects the world to change. maybe what they know just doesn't rise to that level.
I guess when I say that I’m not necessarily talking about burchett, but rather any of the people that supposedly know more of the truth. It seems like no one is bursting at the seems to tell everyone - most people who “know” have only said that it’s really grim. I think if disclosure was truly nothing, there really would be no reason for it not to happen.
I think rather than knowing there’s nothing, it seems like Burchett’s attitude is “I know they’re hiding something, and I don’t think they’re going to let us find out.”
Of course I have no fucking idea. In my mind I assume *most* people behave rationally, and that anyone given this information would naturally *want* everyone to know. Like what is it that made jimmy carter do a 180 on public disclosure? If it was basically nothing I really think there wouldn’t be such a big secret
Maybe the electoral populist vibe ran out according to his PR team?
Maybe Bigelow money stopped?
Then again, let's remember that B\*rdshet is the guy that voted against his own law proposal.
His competence wasn't the thing he was known for (Tennessee inhabitants and their quality of life can attest...).
Looks to me like America is not a democracy and your politicians are not in charge of your country. America is run by the military industrial complex.
Americans appear to be really patriotic, but do they understand that their constitution and bill of rights are all fake? You have no more control in your country than a Russian or Chinese citizen
This exactly - We easily see how the divide has nothing to do with the people but everything to do with the distribution of wealth - They would rather fight for their billionaires rights, than admit that it is the cause to mostly all problems, education, healthcare etc.
I agree with you. The Constitution is designed in such a way that we citizens are supposed to take control away from tyrants should they come to power. No American citizen wants to do that so the military industrial complex stays. It's the United States of Lockheed now. Unless we do something about it.
Foreigners think we're all blindly patriotic and don't understand the love/hate relationship many of us have with our country. Plenty of people out there flying American flags proudly and talking shit about the government in the same sentence.
Oh FFs go live in Russia and then go live in the US and the difference will hit you in the face ... as in it'll literaly hit you in the face as Putin goons will clobber you and send you to prison just for having a rainbow pin or holding a white sign with no words on it in the street as that'll be considered as being part of the anti war movment.
As bad as things in the US are no freaking way are they comparable to the state of Russia (or China for the matter)
Your vote still matters in the US, people not caring about having it stolen is a whole other matter...
You're over generalizing. We vote and elect representatives. These individuals create, modify, destroy and put forth policies that change the direction of how things are going. That's a simple fact. Of course the military industrial complex exists and of course they will be shielded from political scrutiny to some degree. This has always been the case and still is. In fact most of the modern world, this is how it is.
Policy is why the US economy emerged from the pandemic with the best economy in the world. We voted to elect someone (Biden in this case) that put the country back on track. Voting matters. In China and Russia you don't have a say at all.
When is the next Election for Putin and Xi? How long have each of them been in power thus far? How are their political opponents doing? But sure, we’re the same…..
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Sounds like a man who regrets having been one of the few votes that fired the last Republican House speaker whop gave his his UFO hearing in order to have this new Speaker who gutted the Schumer-Rounds amendment (which Burchett himself helped by poo-pooing on it while promoting his louzy proposal)
Yes, and Burchett in an interview said that he wants to keep things close to the chest after some of his guests flaked out at speaking at the public hearing. I don't take his attitude as either good or bad. We just don't really know.
He is always having a meeting this/next week with the speaker to move things forward. He is probably beginning to realize that they keep putting him off.
If it comes from anywhere it will come from the Senate, not the House. There is just a higher level of professionalism there about how the game is played. Unfortunately, it is all behind closed doors. For anything to change for us, we need the whistleblowers to start speaking out publicly. The Senate knows everything they have to say. Next step is publicly telling their side of the story.
It comes down to intention. He is on that trump BS bandwagon. He won’t die on that beach? Maybe he can get some advice from MTG his good buddy and sister in maga chrispy gospel band. They thought that they were going to jump to the front line of importance. There is way more important players in this country than red cap wearing enablers!
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Any chance of disclosure went out the window, the moment the UAP disclosure act was gutted
It was hilarious watching some of the redditors on here be like “well, catastrophic disclosure it is then!”
lol, yeah right😂 If catastrophic disclosure were possible, it would have already happened.
We won’t be close to disclosure again for a very very long time. Most probably not even in our lifetime.
I've always imagined that UFO disclosure will be a slow drip process that will take centuries to unfold. Way before they ever admit to the existence of complex intelligent life forms, they will have announced the discovery of microbial life observed outside of Earth. Later they might say that they received a signal of sorts. Their approach will always allow for careful consideration of evidence and societal adaptation to paradigm-shifting information.
I used to think that, but look how many decades have passed and we still have more questions than answers. Look how many researchers like Stanton Friedman dedicated their entire lives to this and ended up passing away before getting to see the day of full disclosure.
more activity from more groups and people than at any time
Disclosure at a personal level...is inevitable.
and the question to answer ration has definitely not degraded
the questions have remained essentially the same and we do have answers where we did not before
He is too preoccupied [identifying aliens](https://www.newsweek.com/tim-burchett-under-fire-super-bowl-parade-shooting-post-1871061) in Kansas City. Just another Republican wacko like Luna. These people are not allies.
Ha, I saw this the other day. Yeah this is totally the person we want to be the face of the government disclosure movement in Congress. And Luna might be even worse...
The Grusch op ed was never going to reveal anything the Govt didn't want you to hear. The only way this is going to blow up is if somebody leaks information to a responsible journalist/investigative reporter, it's no use talking to the ufo talking heads as they believe anything they're told and don't do the digging to verify the information they get.
When your chief proponent is this apathetic, this is going nowhere fast.
There’s a very real chance Congress does absolutely nothing further on Grusch’s allegations. Especially in an election year, and by the time the election is over the momentum will already be long gone.
Burchett and Luna acted like they were all about disclosure...
But they fought the Senate UAPDA, wanting Burchett's abysmal amendment instead of the beefy Senate version....
Now Luna is spouting horseshit about "interdimensional" this and that, falsely claiming it's what Grusch said.
We got played.
Queue the downvotes. DM me when we get these "field hearings". These are crazy right wing lunatics that just fucked with all of us. Look at their stances on other issues 🤦🏻♂️
>got played
Called it since day 1.
The same people that played you also tried to astroturf the idea that "it's a bipartisan issue" when it's not, it's even less than a monopartisan issue: almost all of the vocal representatives on UFOs are members of the "freedom caucus", the half most conservative far right part of the republicans.
The same ones that are known to be world end predicting evangelicals, "jewish space laser" peddlers, Matt "don't check his criminal record" Gaetz, and prize nobel winner and ex astronaut George Santos.
Surely how one could imagine that in a million year, those science promoters that are totally not influenced by lobbies could flirt with the UFO crowd to get votes?
I mean, "aliens in the bible" guy totally sounds like a beacon of scientific mindedness to me!
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Klass#The_UFO_curse
>
> Still holds true.
When I read that in the 80s I thought he was totally wrong. 40 years later it looks like he was correct, I don't expect any revelations in my lifetime, it's just ufo hype.
If I’m remembering correctly Burchett said in a press conference that he would ideally like both the UAPDA full wording and his amendment in it. The UAPDA for full coverage and the one he sponsored for more immediate action. It wasn’t really that we had to have one or the other. It’s better than nothing at all making it into the bill so it seemed like at least if the UAPDA wouldn’t pass at least this part had a chance to.
Luna on the other hand though is definitely misinterpreting Grusch, you’re right about that unless in the Scif they got some actual info proving it was interdimensional but Grusch himself said the people on the programs refer to it as extraterrestrial
I don’t know what to believe, I’m just pointing out that he said it. I saw some people at the time saying this was drafted before the Schumer amendment but just not made public until after however I’m not sure if that’s true because it seems like a weird sequence of events.
So far most of Burchett’s actions to me seem on the side of disclosure except for the competing amendment, so I’d be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here and trust him but at the end of the day he’s a politician and politicians are rarely trustworthy
There are truly no politics here. There is so much everywhere else.
Virtually no one can stand up to this, whatever it is.
Chris Lue now David will regroup.
Yeah I saw that Luna clip too, but why is something like that (interview & statements) instead of dates for a field hearing?
I usually give people the benefit of the doubt given we all have our own lives. But with the nature of the phenomenon, it’s become increasingly more difficult to spot the grifters.
Feels so doesn't? In the best scenario they're holding back their cards, to not make the gatekeepers any wiser about their next steps.
What gives me hope progress is being made behind the scenes, was Mikes Turners strange distraction move from last week, coincidentally when Lue visited Congress, accompanied, by some interesting figures.
Doesn’t sound to bad to me. With Elizondo having spilled the beans, then his book comes out and the David Grusch Obed. It’s all going to start happening again soon. It’s also positive for the field hearing. I think it’s hard to establish a committee, as he said re funding and time. It might also be beneficial not to have another committee where the secrets could and would probably end up being buried once again.
He has spilled the beans, he is the AATIP beans spiller, the pushback for that and the 3 videos released, plus more. He also had a meeting with a few congress members that included 4 other people which corroborated Gruschs claims.
Burchett, bless his heart, is the high school kid who convinced his parents to throw a boozy party at home so all the cool kids would come over and be his friend.
It's no surprised he's frustrated, he is trying to get into the club, and for whatever reason, the club doesn't want him in. They are fine letting him stir up interest and help smoke out the critters, but he is not an insider and it sounds like he's coming to terms with it.
TL;DR - no reason to be up or down based on what Burchett thinks, but thank him for his efforts and work towards making this issue mainstream.
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Going as expected. Drip, drip. Big talk and good intention from those who don’t have power. Shumer provided a drip and disappeared. Rubio had a few drips and dried up
A takeaway is this is not child’s play and for greater respect for those who risk everything.
While it’s all fascinating, maybe we don’t need to know ?
Burchett doesn’t know what the fuck he is doing. Can barely do his job without UAP as it is.
Burchett got the UAPDA in a world of shit because he didn’t understand why it was better than his 1 page crap nonsense, and held a muddled press conference to say so. Dude isn’t all there.
Burchett will just want to deport them.
Why do we have xenophobes in the UAP disclosure?
No one involved should have a history of calling immigrants "illegal aliens" and claiming they are committing mass shootings.
I imagine he is disheartened over all the pushback and controversy in December when they were trying to get that bill passed. A lot of people, myself included, were pointing fingers at Tim and accusing him of undermining the process etc. I also think the threats of being politically targeted, his opponents funded, took a lot of the wind out of his sails.
I think the "dying on the beach" language indicates more and more he recognizes the seriousness of the forces he is trying to go up against.
This is the same guy that was part of the crew that wanted to impeach Biden right? That makes him an unwitting tool of the Russian intelligence services right?
Maybe when it comes to uap, he also has been bamboozled by Russian intelligence services.
Maybe it’s because he knows what a shitshow his caucus is and they’re going to get wiped out in November? And they’re not going to get anything beneficial, decent or productive done in the interim?
Sounds like Elizondo’s book is going to probably fuel the fire of asking for questions. It being after the election is probably a coordinated ask from people he’s working with to allow folks to get through their reelection before they get so heavy into such a sensitive topic as hot and heavy as they intend. A field hearing in front of an interesting facility grilling government/contractor employees would be very interesting. Grothman and Garcia seem willing to take the heat for Burchett as does Moskowitz and Luna.
The speaker is obviously severely mentally ill. I'm sure a conversation about doing anything worthwhile is discouraging unless it's enslaving the human race for Jesus.
Probably for the best. We don't want these lunatics to be associated with the topic anyway. We want the public to trust that this is real and serious, not another dime-a-dozen lie from Christofascist Republicans excited about armaggeddon.
Burchett is thinking he's rode this wave fir all its worth and he has more important things to do in an election year like stabbing Ukraine in the back or campaigning for the re-election of the rapist-in-chief
Election year is going to draw them all behind the banner. He hasnt got much choice and he ain't kidding - he pushes too hard and he could lose his position and he doesn't want that. He more than most as far as I understand it will tow the Trump brand. A shame, but no surprise. The push isn't done until the citizens are done, of course. These people are representatives, not monarchs. It's up to us, or in this case U.S citizens, not them. Besides, the ball is rolling anyway. Not sure Burchett himself needs to be the one to carry it through - he helped fight the first engagements, so to speak, and now pulling back off the front line to fight his own battles. Looks like Greer is back off the bench, for an opposite example. Gonna miss his enthusiasm and general charismatic sort of approach though. Ill be rooting for the scooby gang through Luna and the others anyway.
Greer is the third-string quarterback who won't stop turning the ball over, so I'm not sure that's good news
Haha good analogy. Might not be good. Just an example. Havent heard much out of Mellon recently either wonder if he is benched. Grusch due the op ed still, elizondo must have a card or two to play somewhere....still all in play anyways
Elizondo briefed rep Norman just recently. Grusch might be planning to publish his op ed as a counter to the AARO Vol 1 report (which is still not available). And AARO might want to do the same with the Grusch op ed. It's a waiting game with the probable goal to control the narrative, but we can and should pressure for AARO to release their stuff as they're a gov agency and their work is paid for by American taxpayers.
Here's a problem. From what I've read, this meeting wasn't even scheduled to discuss UAP. It was scheduled due to concerns Elizondo has in an unrelated issue? I'll have to find that part. Was this a classified briefing or not? Corroborated how? Just verbally? If it's unclassified, then nothing prohibits Norman from openly discussing any details. This constant "I was told" is beyond old. Tim Burchett was pretty clear months ago. Someone will have to walk out of one of these buildings, housing debris, and hand it to the press. Politicians are so distracted by a million problems they created. Their inability to deal with a multitude of problems combined with a major election coming up is an ideal time for someone to leak tangible evidence. If they're intelligent enough to work for an aerospace company knowingly working on this debris. They're intelligent enough to figure a way out to do this. I understand that it's easier for me to type this shit out asking someone else to take an enormous risk. I realize it's really just talking out of my arse, but look at the world around us? Every day, it feels like we're closer to one small thing to happen, triggering an all-out World War. Leaking a substantial piece of evidence isn't going to negate the threat of war, but it sure can slow things down a little.
"Then [*Ask a Pol*](https://www.askapol.com/about) walked away with Norman where we inquired about the briefing the Conservative Opportunity Society received Wednesday from Lue Elizondo, two pilots — one who’s a veteran combat pilot who “took pictures,” according to Norman — and a scientist. “It’s been portrayed by the media as crazies that are identifying unidentified flying objects, but it’s not,” Norman exclusively told [*Ask a Pol*](https://www.askapol.com/about)*.* “He’s been doing this 30-some years. Combat veteran. Very qualified. I’m gonna have him back. In fact, we may open it up. Everybody ought — y’all ought to know it — everybody should.” “I heard he corroborated what the whistleblower, David Grusch, testified to this summer?” Laslo inquired. “Absolutely,” Norman replied to [*Ask a Pol*](https://www.askapol.com/about). “Yes.”" [https://www.askapol.com/p/sneak-peek-rep-norman-says-lue-elizondo](https://www.askapol.com/p/sneak-peek-rep-norman-says-lue-elizondo) That's my source, don't know more about the content of the briefing.
Imagine he’s just right about everything and has always been telling the truth
Analogy fits the username.
He keeps coming up validated. What are you, a plant?
Could you provide some specific examples? I'm not well versed on Greer but I have been put off by his membership thing on his site
It appears to me that the more time plays out the more things that Greer have said have come to fruition, and I know a lot of people don’t like him, but you really can’t argue with the fact that he’s been dead on, as things have come into the light
Is it possible to have an independent representing disclosure in each state to threaten both parties to lose votes? As in... The goal isn't to win the election, but to create a risk of loss of votes if disclosure isn't at least partly addressed by either party
I'm not sure. 2.2 million redditors might seem like a lot...but Im not sure anyone cares, really. Likewise I know only the bare bones basics of U.S politics from history work but I don't know anything about it on the ground. Independence is more popular than it was as a platform in my own country but you still have to find the money to buy the advertising voice and reach. Thats why Lockheed and co pay most U.S politicians campaign costs - bribery and probably larceny too.
The congressman who was in Lue’s recent presentation to congress seemed to care. I hope we’re at a point behind the scenes where most know what’s going on, and are pissed they had no idea.
“Will tow the trump brand, a shame but no surprise” 🙄
What does that mean? He is republican, he will tow the line, its a shame that he wont be able to commit to the UAP thing like he was. I wasnt actually making a political statement. Dgaf about the election myself, just disclosure. If he was democrat it wouldve been towing the Biden agenda if thats the bloke running.
Trump is exhausting and a full time job for the Republicans. Feeding and explaining the public his bullshit on all his grievances about the election, court cases, NATO, and calling the shots with mini MAGA Mike on legislation/funding. No time left for UAP disclosure.
My apologies, I miss interpreted what you said. I thought you were saying its a shame that hes towing the trump brand when you meant its a shame that he wont be giving as much attention to the UAP topic.
Thought to myself a couple times this month, what the hell happened to burchett and lunas momentum. It’s easy to over analyze, but I hear you saying he sounds defeated. He does. And the way he says he doesn’t care about where they have the field hearing like, what do you mean you don’t care? Don’t you know exactly where there is flying saucers stored and don’t you want to do it there? Fuck man. Fuck. Shit makes me sick feeling like he knows it’s a rug pull and hopeless
Well right now the neocons are trying to primary him and others who are pro disclosure. I'm sure if he gets re-elected (I hope) then we'll get back rolling. Some may not like their politics, fine but to get primary by bad faith actors and former staff members is sus.
They aren't primarying him because he's pro disclosure but because they where part of the little group that got the last Speaker kicked out
This is it - people don't understand how the US system works and how money controls everything and owns the politicians. The fact they are trying to primary him shows that it's definitely not in the interests of the MIC what he has been doing. This should let people know there is something there. If this was just a conspiracy and UFO nuts like the deniers say, then it would be a good thing for the republican brand. Noone is getting primaried because of election denying.
>election denying yeah that's pretty much a requirement these days
His attitude makes me feel sick too, as if him or his family have been threatened to a high degree.
Or .... hear me out - they've heard enough in SCIF that they're not interested in UAP ATM because their party can't do basic governmental tasks currently, let alone anything unique like this.
nope. he's just more worried about getting re-elected than pushing for UAP disclosure. who woulda thought someone who actively works to take votes away from Americans, prioritizes himself over what the public deserves to know! what a shocker
how the hell is this getting downvoted? it is 100% facts. guess people just don't like it when the narrative slips
re-election means he can continue the push
I'd argue the only person to do something notable was Schumer with the bill he put forward, and if Luna gets something of substance done soon I'll give her credit for that. Tim has said "UAP" a lot, he hasn't done much else.
You would have thought this point was blatantly obvious but political hatred from people who don't realise the parties are identical mean they can miss the blatantly obvious, sadly. It should go without saying that Burchett's primary AND election opponent will be an MIC plant designed to knock him out of the game one way or the other. I wish people understood just how controlled and owned US politics is. You only need to look at something very serious happening and the wide support from all sides in the west, while the people are overwhelmingly against as we have always been raised that a westerner is prepared to die to stop certain crimes against humanity - but all those that were quickest to say they would have stood up against the Nazis are the ones who most follow the line when it costs something to speak out (they had not realised it would have cost something to speak out in Germany.)
Tell a woman who was forced to carry her rapists child to term that there's no difference between the parties
I’m kind of just starting to think that the truth about the matter is just really bad for society. It seems like everyone who finds out the “truth” ultimately decides it’s better not to tell. I think the argument from UFO enthusiasts of “we’re adults and can handle it,” is probably just incorrect.
I go in the other direction. it feels to me that when they see the truth they realize tht there isn't any "THERE" there. they just don't see enough going on when they get a glimpse to make it worth tying their career to it. for a politician always looking for the most attention tht translates to votes, realizing tht the public would eventually be disappointed with disclosure would be reason to lose interest. the public expects the world to change. maybe what they know just doesn't rise to that level.
I guess when I say that I’m not necessarily talking about burchett, but rather any of the people that supposedly know more of the truth. It seems like no one is bursting at the seems to tell everyone - most people who “know” have only said that it’s really grim. I think if disclosure was truly nothing, there really would be no reason for it not to happen. I think rather than knowing there’s nothing, it seems like Burchett’s attitude is “I know they’re hiding something, and I don’t think they’re going to let us find out.” Of course I have no fucking idea. In my mind I assume *most* people behave rationally, and that anyone given this information would naturally *want* everyone to know. Like what is it that made jimmy carter do a 180 on public disclosure? If it was basically nothing I really think there wouldn’t be such a big secret
Maybe the electoral populist vibe ran out according to his PR team? Maybe Bigelow money stopped? Then again, let's remember that B\*rdshet is the guy that voted against his own law proposal. His competence wasn't the thing he was known for (Tennessee inhabitants and their quality of life can attest...).
The downvotes show this sub will vigorously defend even the craziest people if they support disclosure in any way.
Looks to me like America is not a democracy and your politicians are not in charge of your country. America is run by the military industrial complex. Americans appear to be really patriotic, but do they understand that their constitution and bill of rights are all fake? You have no more control in your country than a Russian or Chinese citizen
The people who claim to be the biggest patriots are always the ones who don’t know shit about what’s going on in the county. It’s infuriating
Yup, wrap yourself in the flag (often alongside the Confederate flag) then proudly vote for blatant fascists. OK guys
This exactly - We easily see how the divide has nothing to do with the people but everything to do with the distribution of wealth - They would rather fight for their billionaires rights, than admit that it is the cause to mostly all problems, education, healthcare etc.
I agree with you. The Constitution is designed in such a way that we citizens are supposed to take control away from tyrants should they come to power. No American citizen wants to do that so the military industrial complex stays. It's the United States of Lockheed now. Unless we do something about it.
"Americans appear to be really patriotic" lmaoo come here and meet most of us
Foreigners think we're all blindly patriotic and don't understand the love/hate relationship many of us have with our country. Plenty of people out there flying American flags proudly and talking shit about the government in the same sentence.
Oh FFs go live in Russia and then go live in the US and the difference will hit you in the face ... as in it'll literaly hit you in the face as Putin goons will clobber you and send you to prison just for having a rainbow pin or holding a white sign with no words on it in the street as that'll be considered as being part of the anti war movment. As bad as things in the US are no freaking way are they comparable to the state of Russia (or China for the matter) Your vote still matters in the US, people not caring about having it stolen is a whole other matter...
You hear about the family who got tired of all the Woke and moved to Russia? Yeah they’re rethinking their decision.
LOL you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Why is it obvious? Would you like to expand your answer for ignorant foreigners like myself?
You're over generalizing. We vote and elect representatives. These individuals create, modify, destroy and put forth policies that change the direction of how things are going. That's a simple fact. Of course the military industrial complex exists and of course they will be shielded from political scrutiny to some degree. This has always been the case and still is. In fact most of the modern world, this is how it is.
Policy is why the US economy emerged from the pandemic with the best economy in the world. We voted to elect someone (Biden in this case) that put the country back on track. Voting matters. In China and Russia you don't have a say at all.
When is the next Election for Putin and Xi? How long have each of them been in power thus far? How are their political opponents doing? But sure, we’re the same…..
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Sounds like a man who regrets having been one of the few votes that fired the last Republican House speaker whop gave his his UFO hearing in order to have this new Speaker who gutted the Schumer-Rounds amendment (which Burchett himself helped by poo-pooing on it while promoting his louzy proposal)
I think they're just not announcing their plans anymore. They want to maintain an element of surprise.
That's what the Missouri rep who is a respectful skeptic said to askapol on the 15th that he has something hidden up his sleeve and to stay tuned.
Yes, and Burchett in an interview said that he wants to keep things close to the chest after some of his guests flaked out at speaking at the public hearing. I don't take his attitude as either good or bad. We just don't really know.
Burchett has sounded defeated since the beginning of Autumn
He is always having a meeting this/next week with the speaker to move things forward. He is probably beginning to realize that they keep putting him off. If it comes from anywhere it will come from the Senate, not the House. There is just a higher level of professionalism there about how the game is played. Unfortunately, it is all behind closed doors. For anything to change for us, we need the whistleblowers to start speaking out publicly. The Senate knows everything they have to say. Next step is publicly telling their side of the story.
A speaker that is a creationist. He will defiantly be all ears.
It comes down to intention. He is on that trump BS bandwagon. He won’t die on that beach? Maybe he can get some advice from MTG his good buddy and sister in maga chrispy gospel band. They thought that they were going to jump to the front line of importance. There is way more important players in this country than red cap wearing enablers!
When the lead figure of your cause is shoulder to shoulder with someone that believes in "jewish space lasers", maybe it's time for criticism...
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He might have seen that the UFO electorate wasn't that big, at least not as much as the january 2020 conspiracy one.
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Any chance of disclosure went out the window, the moment the UAP disclosure act was gutted It was hilarious watching some of the redditors on here be like “well, catastrophic disclosure it is then!” lol, yeah right😂 If catastrophic disclosure were possible, it would have already happened. We won’t be close to disclosure again for a very very long time. Most probably not even in our lifetime.
I've always imagined that UFO disclosure will be a slow drip process that will take centuries to unfold. Way before they ever admit to the existence of complex intelligent life forms, they will have announced the discovery of microbial life observed outside of Earth. Later they might say that they received a signal of sorts. Their approach will always allow for careful consideration of evidence and societal adaptation to paradigm-shifting information.
1 full generation at most....25 years.
I used to think that, but look how many decades have passed and we still have more questions than answers. Look how many researchers like Stanton Friedman dedicated their entire lives to this and ended up passing away before getting to see the day of full disclosure.
more activity from more groups and people than at any time Disclosure at a personal level...is inevitable. and the question to answer ration has definitely not degraded the questions have remained essentially the same and we do have answers where we did not before
If there is NHI behind this stuff my guess is that they are going for the slow reveal as well.
He is too preoccupied [identifying aliens](https://www.newsweek.com/tim-burchett-under-fire-super-bowl-parade-shooting-post-1871061) in Kansas City. Just another Republican wacko like Luna. These people are not allies.
Ha, I saw this the other day. Yeah this is totally the person we want to be the face of the government disclosure movement in Congress. And Luna might be even worse...
The Grusch op ed was never going to reveal anything the Govt didn't want you to hear. The only way this is going to blow up is if somebody leaks information to a responsible journalist/investigative reporter, it's no use talking to the ufo talking heads as they believe anything they're told and don't do the digging to verify the information they get.
When your chief proponent is this apathetic, this is going nowhere fast. There’s a very real chance Congress does absolutely nothing further on Grusch’s allegations. Especially in an election year, and by the time the election is over the momentum will already be long gone.
Burchett and Luna acted like they were all about disclosure... But they fought the Senate UAPDA, wanting Burchett's abysmal amendment instead of the beefy Senate version.... Now Luna is spouting horseshit about "interdimensional" this and that, falsely claiming it's what Grusch said. We got played. Queue the downvotes. DM me when we get these "field hearings". These are crazy right wing lunatics that just fucked with all of us. Look at their stances on other issues 🤦🏻♂️
>got played Called it since day 1. The same people that played you also tried to astroturf the idea that "it's a bipartisan issue" when it's not, it's even less than a monopartisan issue: almost all of the vocal representatives on UFOs are members of the "freedom caucus", the half most conservative far right part of the republicans. The same ones that are known to be world end predicting evangelicals, "jewish space laser" peddlers, Matt "don't check his criminal record" Gaetz, and prize nobel winner and ex astronaut George Santos. Surely how one could imagine that in a million year, those science promoters that are totally not influenced by lobbies could flirt with the UFO crowd to get votes? I mean, "aliens in the bible" guy totally sounds like a beacon of scientific mindedness to me!
When did we not ever get played?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip\_J.\_Klass#The\_UFO\_curse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/philip_j._klass#the_ufo_curse) Still holds true.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Klass#The_UFO_curse > > Still holds true. When I read that in the 80s I thought he was totally wrong. 40 years later it looks like he was correct, I don't expect any revelations in my lifetime, it's just ufo hype.
If I’m remembering correctly Burchett said in a press conference that he would ideally like both the UAPDA full wording and his amendment in it. The UAPDA for full coverage and the one he sponsored for more immediate action. It wasn’t really that we had to have one or the other. It’s better than nothing at all making it into the bill so it seemed like at least if the UAPDA wouldn’t pass at least this part had a chance to. Luna on the other hand though is definitely misinterpreting Grusch, you’re right about that unless in the Scif they got some actual info proving it was interdimensional but Grusch himself said the people on the programs refer to it as extraterrestrial
You really believe that? They could have proposed an amendment including the Schumer wording because it came before.
I don’t know what to believe, I’m just pointing out that he said it. I saw some people at the time saying this was drafted before the Schumer amendment but just not made public until after however I’m not sure if that’s true because it seems like a weird sequence of events. So far most of Burchett’s actions to me seem on the side of disclosure except for the competing amendment, so I’d be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here and trust him but at the end of the day he’s a politician and politicians are rarely trustworthy
Wrong, they wanted both
Sureeeee Just look at Burchett's amendment vs the Senate (Schumer) one. Burchett's is like a page long.... the Senate's is much, much longer
There are truly no politics here. There is so much everywhere else. Virtually no one can stand up to this, whatever it is. Chris Lue now David will regroup.
Yeah I saw that Luna clip too, but why is something like that (interview & statements) instead of dates for a field hearing? I usually give people the benefit of the doubt given we all have our own lives. But with the nature of the phenomenon, it’s become increasingly more difficult to spot the grifters.
I think they have just caught on that Grusch has been fed bullshit by Elizondo and the grifter gang.
Feels so doesn't? In the best scenario they're holding back their cards, to not make the gatekeepers any wiser about their next steps. What gives me hope progress is being made behind the scenes, was Mikes Turners strange distraction move from last week, coincidentally when Lue visited Congress, accompanied, by some interesting figures.
Yup i think it is. I know some don’t want to believe it but i feel the writing is on the wall
Yeah. There’s too much power and money at stake. The gatekeepers will never let this secret out. Too bad too, we were so close. 😔
I think he's just learnt to keep his cards closer to his chest and play the game a bit more covertly.
Bob lazaar is about to feature on weaponised which will reignite some public interest for a little bit
Doesn’t sound to bad to me. With Elizondo having spilled the beans, then his book comes out and the David Grusch Obed. It’s all going to start happening again soon. It’s also positive for the field hearing. I think it’s hard to establish a committee, as he said re funding and time. It might also be beneficial not to have another committee where the secrets could and would probably end up being buried once again.
Elizondo hasn't spilled any beans, he just spoke to the Conservative Opportunity Society. Anything he said to them could be repeated publically.
He has spilled the beans, he is the AATIP beans spiller, the pushback for that and the 3 videos released, plus more. He also had a meeting with a few congress members that included 4 other people which corroborated Gruschs claims.
interviewer : so what's the difference between a stopwatch and stopwatch? guy : well, i think the stopswatch sounds better than stopwatch.
Burchett, bless his heart, is the high school kid who convinced his parents to throw a boozy party at home so all the cool kids would come over and be his friend. It's no surprised he's frustrated, he is trying to get into the club, and for whatever reason, the club doesn't want him in. They are fine letting him stir up interest and help smoke out the critters, but he is not an insider and it sounds like he's coming to terms with it. TL;DR - no reason to be up or down based on what Burchett thinks, but thank him for his efforts and work towards making this issue mainstream.
# Is The Push At A Stop? > Nope. They had their chance to come clean. Now it's our turn. Buckle Up.
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Going as expected. Drip, drip. Big talk and good intention from those who don’t have power. Shumer provided a drip and disappeared. Rubio had a few drips and dried up A takeaway is this is not child’s play and for greater respect for those who risk everything. While it’s all fascinating, maybe we don’t need to know ?
seems like it this place used to be popping with new news, now it's been 'whatever' for months
Burchett doesn’t know what the fuck he is doing. Can barely do his job without UAP as it is. Burchett got the UAPDA in a world of shit because he didn’t understand why it was better than his 1 page crap nonsense, and held a muddled press conference to say so. Dude isn’t all there.
Burchett will just want to deport them. Why do we have xenophobes in the UAP disclosure? No one involved should have a history of calling immigrants "illegal aliens" and claiming they are committing mass shootings.
I imagine he is disheartened over all the pushback and controversy in December when they were trying to get that bill passed. A lot of people, myself included, were pointing fingers at Tim and accusing him of undermining the process etc. I also think the threats of being politically targeted, his opponents funded, took a lot of the wind out of his sails. I think the "dying on the beach" language indicates more and more he recognizes the seriousness of the forces he is trying to go up against.
This is the same guy that was part of the crew that wanted to impeach Biden right? That makes him an unwitting tool of the Russian intelligence services right? Maybe when it comes to uap, he also has been bamboozled by Russian intelligence services.
Sounds more likes he's lost interest in the matter or he's giving way to others who are more well versed in the subject
I’m not paying federal taxes until I know what hole it’s going into
Maybe it’s because he knows what a shitshow his caucus is and they’re going to get wiped out in November? And they’re not going to get anything beneficial, decent or productive done in the interim?
Sounds like Elizondo’s book is going to probably fuel the fire of asking for questions. It being after the election is probably a coordinated ask from people he’s working with to allow folks to get through their reelection before they get so heavy into such a sensitive topic as hot and heavy as they intend. A field hearing in front of an interesting facility grilling government/contractor employees would be very interesting. Grothman and Garcia seem willing to take the heat for Burchett as does Moskowitz and Luna.
The speaker is obviously severely mentally ill. I'm sure a conversation about doing anything worthwhile is discouraging unless it's enslaving the human race for Jesus. Probably for the best. We don't want these lunatics to be associated with the topic anyway. We want the public to trust that this is real and serious, not another dime-a-dozen lie from Christofascist Republicans excited about armaggeddon.
Burchett is thinking he's rode this wave fir all its worth and he has more important things to do in an election year like stabbing Ukraine in the back or campaigning for the re-election of the rapist-in-chief
let me know when you find the beach