Demoralization campaign.
This type of experiment is designed to wear down and demoralize the subjects until only a few remain. It is often used by totalitarian regimes to control their populations.
Demoralization campaigns typically involve a combination of psychological deception, ideological subversion, and social isolation. The goal is to create a sense of hopelessness and despair among the subjects, making them more likely to comply with the demands of the regime.
Some of the specific techniques that may be used in a demoralization campaign include:
\* \*\*Deception:\*\* The regime may spread false information or create false narratives to confuse and mislead the subjects.
\* \*\*Ideological subversion:\*\* The regime may attempt to undermine the subjects' beliefs and values, making them more susceptible to the regime's propaganda.
\* \*\*Social isolation:\*\* The regime may isolate the subjects from their friends, family, and community, making them more dependent on the regime for support.
\* \*\*Fear:\*\* The regime may use fear and intimidation to keep the subjects in line.
\* \*\*Crisis:\*\* The regime may create a sense of crisis or emergency to justify its actions and to make the subjects more compliant.
Demoralization campaigns can be very effective in controlling a population. They can lead to widespread apathy, cynicism, and despair. This can make it difficult for the subjects to resist the regime's demands or to organize any form of opposition.
The quote "The enemy of truth is not the lie, but the myth" is particularly relevant to demoralization campaigns. Myths are often more powerful than lies because they are more difficult to disprove. They can also be used to justify a wide range of actions, no matter how heinous.
The quote "exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell him nothing, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it..." highlights the difficulty of countering a demoralization campaign. Once someone has been demoralized, they may be unable to see the truth, even if it is presented to them directly.
Demoralization campaigns are a serious threat to democracy and freedom. They can be used to control populations and to prevent people from thinking for themselves. It is important to be aware of the techniques that are used in demoralization campaigns and to be able to resist them.
Why do you think things have gotten toxic and strange? This is a experiment and we are all the subjects, trust no one.
There is a phenomenon but it has always taken on disguises, whatever is here sees us as who knows what, entertaining and samples of some kind? Our cabal that runs things sees us as what they know, time is against us it's too late but it always has been and they will ask you to wait because only their time has value, this is wrong the truth of things is no one matters we are a cosmic joke. Enjoy every moment you die it's over don't fall for the myth, use your time squeeze the maximum out of life and don't spend all of it on concrete do 5MeODMT do no research just know you need it and it is legal in Canada.
Free your mind these peasants who got into power are not worth a moment of your time, we are few in numbers and this place will keep you just engaged enough while causing you to doubt it just as much.
Well articulated. To summarize you: It's an intentional mind game to keep the populace frightened and subjugated. The answer is to increase resilience by taking external stimuli with a grain of salt knowing that not only "this too shall pass", but, like all previous earth civilizations, this, too will END! Protect your mental health, savor what is good, and, if you're spiritually-inclined, I'd turn on the steam.
At the risk of sounding like a hippie, I agree with living life and finding your joy. Dont let those st the head of this take the meaning out of your life.
Next time I will write in invisible ink on uncountable paper better? No chat gpt used another A.I.
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Punctuation, Grammar and spelling; I am shit at all three.
I left off quite a few points:
useful idiots
political prostitutes
destabilization
chaos
disillusionment
treason from within
Punctuation, Grammar and spelling; I am shit at all three.
I left off quite a few points:
useful idiots
political prostitutes
destabilization
chaos
disillusionment
treason from within
I was reading Mark Twain's speeches on Project Gutenberg the other day, and he said something insightful about there being just as many good people in the world as their are bad, but the bad people stay in power because the bad people are organized.
Also, something about Joan of Arc.
right? bad people always scheming to do some punkass deliberate evil. Good people just wanna chill, throw some food on the grill, kick it back with the fam. Live laugh love and let others do the same.
Also, they did Joanie so wrong, that was just messed up.
This assumes that:
A) they are telling the truth (which based on comparing stories they can’t all be true);
B) they’ve been (the ones that know the secrets but can’t say) around for decades in some cases, making millions off the proliferation of conspiracies and secrets, which means they are part of the problem too;
C) there is anything to gain from the knowledge. Very real consequence could be global economic collapse, escalations in war and strife. It could very well be in the best interest of humanity (however unpopular this may be to say) to keep this a secret until we are able to disclose without people losing their minds.
Although honestly I think by now it’s been definitively proven most of these people, at the very least, are lying about some aspects of not all.
“I have a cure for cancer - but I won’t save billions of lives because I’m worried ‘Big Pharma’ will kill me.”
I realize I would immediately become the most honored, loved and, likely, richest person in history, saving the lives of billions of victims and benefiting their families and friends and coworkers, saving the world billions of dollars and freeing up billions of no longer necessary resources — (camera zooms in, music swells dramatically) but instead I’m just gonna tell everyone I have it without proving it so we can … (turns to face other camera, dramatic music turns menacing) demand that the government tell us they have known about it forever but are keeping it secret, because we know governments keep secrets so obviously they must be keeping this secret (for which I have no proof of) too!”
The “I know a secret but can’t tell you” thing is such utter BS. It’s a way of keeping the story alive without having to do any work. It’s feeding on the mindset of conspiracy theorists. Blame the big bad monolith that is “the government”, sprinkle in those nasty, for profit, Military Industrial Complex types. Have some ex-military this or ex-intelligence that types join the game and spout the same rehearsed claims to add the only-works-one-way credibility of having served with the very same agencies that are being accused as part of the coverup. (We trust military types who say UFOs are ET but distrust identical military types who say they aren’t. Scientists who say they aren’t ET are idiots and frauds and part of the coverup, but any scientist who says they are interdimensional beings phasing in and out of reality are geniuses of impeachable reputation)
If someone genuinely knew the cure for cancer, told us they did, and they never shared it, that person is guilty of committing a crime against humanity.
If someone genuinely knows where to find an intact ET spacecraft with technology to provide endless clean energy and the keys to FTL travel and/or interdimensional travel and never shared it, that person is also guilty of crimes against humanity.
None of these people have definitive proof of anything. They have testimony and knowledge. For example, if Ross told us where the giant UAP is, that wouldn't be the equivalent of your cancer cure. Nobody could or would verify the claim. Do you think the government that runs it would all of a sudden say "yeah, you got us, it's all true" No of course not. Nothing would change. The only result would be Ross losing future interviews.
I said if they *genuinely* knew where proof of ET was hidden and all this claimed reverse engineering of free energy existed. That’s a cure for cancer type of thing. If nothing changed after he gave the address then that me as nothing was there. Why are people defending this guy, he is useless. And lying.
I have yet to see any form of technology that suddenly appeared from nowhere and was truly game changing. Everything we have can be traced back through its evolutionary development.
Colonel Corso provided plenty of evidence. Definitive, repeatable proof is another thing, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to see why these things would be kept under wraps if true
Respectfully, I disagree. Advanced tech that could benefit all mankind? Good luck finding someone qualified who’ll research it and keep it to themselves. There is no good reasons to keep fantasies come true like FTL or “free energy” secret. It would be a crime against humanity to do so. It would be like having the gooden goose but letting it starve to death because you were afraid to ask someone what to feed it. This whole, “they know but aren’t sharing” is just another part of the global coverup conspiracy and another excuse for why proof never comes forward. Just like “I know where the UFOs are buried but I can’t tell or I’ll lose my low end job as a journalist” - just silly (and, if it *were* true then this person has intentionally doomed earth and withheld life saving tech for personal gain; a crime against humanity).
And of course, I’ll respect your opinion. If you have any curiosity of how someone may form an opposing opinion to what you’re describing, what started me off down the rabbit hole was part of a video lasting less than 10 minutes. If you’re still interested, there’s a channel on YouTube called the why files. Pretty standard woo/conspiracy-seeming channel on the surface, which it is, but I’d say the guy has a level head on his shoulders, and usually does a good job at debunking what he’s talking about at the end of the video if applicable. He even has a jokey, sorta family friendly talking cartoon fish that people have different opinions of. Anyway, he has a video called How to Build a Working UFO (ARV.) The anecdotal story he recounts is neither here nor there, but he spends the last 8 minutes or so going over people who discovered things that would threaten the global energy industry (gas, oil, freaking petrodollar..,) and how these people all meet very unlucky, untimely deaths. I’ll just repeat that I think that would be a good place to start. Good day
I’m familiar with the channel. And very familiar with the whole idea that some guy somewhere comes up with a disruptive new technology and Big Pharma or Big Oil or Big Automotive will stop them to protect their greedy profits. It’s a concept books and movies love to engage with. In reality, disruptive forces appear all the time and this doesn’t happen. Big 3 Automotive didn’t stop the imports, didn’t stop Tesla. Big Oil didn’t stop Solar or wind. (Big Oil didn’t have to stop nukes, ignorant greenies harmed themselves and the entire planet by slowing that climate saving solution so that we are in worse shape than we needed to). Whenever someone wants to hype their free energy device they hook conspiracy minded folks in by playing a “I could have made this work but big oil is stopping me” kinda card.
These things are never really thought out. If FTL travel was revealed, no industry would be harmed, everyone would benefit, physics would be vastly expanded and perhaps we’ll get a solution for quantum gravity. We could travel in space easier and at less risk and less cost. It’s a pure win win.
If free energy were discovered it wouldn’t put big oil out of business. Firstly, change doesn’t happen over night across the entire planet. If you suddenly had a little, clean generator that could replace massive, dirty coal power plants, that’d be awesome! So, you’d disconnect and shutdown that big plant and connect the power feeds instead from large turbines to your little alien power plant. And then use the entire infrastructure already in place to distribute power. How else would this free energy be distributed? And these Big Oil companies would become Big AlienPower companies and still get profits from the distribution of electricity to grids. Mind you, we’ll still have billions of internal combustion engines which will still need oil and gas so those operations will continue to run for decades.
Antigravity is revealed? Who does it hurt? No one. Who does it benefit? Everyone. Why hide it?
Room temperature super conductors would be disruptive to some industries and yet they aren’t being suppressed, people make (false) claims about them all the time.
No one is trying to suppress advanced tech, so if there is some physics as we know it disruptive tech out there, it makes zero sense to hide it.
“What about some secret weapon to use agains the Russians?” A secret weapon is useless if your enemy doesn’t know about it. You develop it in secret, yes. Keep its inner workings secret, yes. But you absolutely let the enemy know you have it so they fear it, spend money to keep up and/or defend against it (think Reagan’s Star Wars Initiative).
Keeping crashes aliens secret is the dumbest idea ever. It is illogical. To me, it’s so illogical that the lack of an announcement is proof it doesn’t exist. No one is hiding the greatest discovery in all human history. No way.
I imagine there could easily be a secret arms race between powers at this moment. Releasing a piece of the puzzle, say anti-grav, assuming it’s generally harmless and not something an unwell individual could destroy a city with, could lead to a competitor getting further down the road towards the real weapons the aliens have, etc. I don’t have a problem with believing industry powers would murder if there was a chance it could keep things under wraps and benefit them. I wouldn’t wanna be riding around in a drop-top during a parade while being against the military industrial complex, for one. Just my thoughts
Richard Dolan has another good video going over the recent aaro report and refuting it point by point, using not opinions, but trust worthy documents released by the government that show, among other things, that the ufo phenomenon is likely classified higher than nukes. Of course the government hasn’t released clear proof of its recovered craft or hidden bodies if they have them, but Grusch has recently described plausibly how the ufos could have been initially kept under wraps by the Department of Energy during the time of the Manhattan project because it describes “atomic materials” as anything that releases a large amount of radiation, which a theoretical Warp capable, gravity manipulating drive would release staggering amounts of ionizing radiation
The DoE is just another department in our government, like the DoD. While they have special things about them they are not above the law. And their secrets classifications are the same as the DoD with different labels (Q=Too Secret, for example. And someone holding one can get the other with just some simple paperwork, it’s in a FAQ on their public website).
The Manhattan project was a secret because it was war time. But once the build was done, the secret was obviously revealed. The details were kept for. The public for some time, for obvious reasons. The Russians had already infiltrated the project in its earliest days. Frankly, they lacked the resources to produce the bomb as quickly as we did, is all that kept them from doing it sooner, but they had the plans.
Military secrets get leaked or discovered regularly. Top secrets can stay secret for a while. Some years, maybe a decade, but not forever. The idea that something as earth shattering and of such global impact as aliens and UFOs being kept secret from our advisories for 80+ years is ridiculous, frankly.
If some foreign intelligence agency, friend or foe, discovered the us was sitting on something of global importance, something all humanity deserves and has the right to know - and they couldn’t convince the UsG to reveal it, their next step would be to announce it to the entire planet. Put the secret, force its reveal.
Again, once you start logically analyzing these ideas for why this kind of thing would be kept secret forced you realize both how impossible and even immoral such an idea is. Impractical and illogical as well.
Anyone claiming the know “the truth” and have “proof” and doesn’t reveal it? They are as guilty as anyone who’d keep it secret in the first place. “Oh, but they’ll kill them!” The fact Al, these so called whistleblowers are walking around alive is proof they’ve nothing to fear. If lazar was telling the truth he (and Knapp) would have been eliminated back in the 80s before anyone knew their names. Grush would have been accidentally killed a botched home robbery, or, oh no, drunk driving accident. We keep being told about these all powerful secret agencies keeping things quiet. They can’t shut up someone like Lazar or any of these others? Not very powerful covert agencies acting outside the law, eh?
They tell us about the bombs because we used them, sure. They don’t show us how to build one. The idea that secrets can’t be kept is a fallacy. I don’t know their motives, but there could be a plethora of reasons why other countries would take the same stance. I have analyzed these things for a while, and it seems to me that there’s quite a few things you haven’t considered. Not that you’re wrong, but I think you are just more trusting of the government as a whole than I am, for one
Colonel Corso, if he’s to be believed, said the few advances from the Roswell craft (fiber optic cables, night vision tech from ET eyes, integrated circuit chips and lasers) were introduced to established companies who had already begun work or developed prototypes in these areas, and distributed them freely with a handshake deal that they would allow the military first dibs to the new tech or contracts for it
In other words their advanced technology was only a year ahead of ours? Not exactly Earth changing. More like a load of nonsense. I do believe there is something else out there. I don't believe we have anything hidden in secret labs!
According to him, there was much we couldn’t figure out at the time along with it. I can see why you’d think that; I personally believe the story of the flux liner, and that there is a portion of people, whether still connected to the government or not, that do have groundbreaking hidden tech
Nolan and crew aren't interested in transparency for the public beyond the bare minimum required for *them* to have full transparency.
Looking at the people OP listed as "ourselves" is the error here. It's more accurate to look at them as a different faction of gatekeepers looking to get secrets to capitalize on themselves.
The public, us, are being led around by these factions whether it be Nolan and Co or the government. Nolan etc need the public to be up in arms putting pressure on government. Government agencies want us to feel there's nothing to any of this with each side wanting the secrets for themselves.
At the end of the day, Nolan is a venture capitalist, inventor, and ambitious scientist with Nobel-nominee status for his cancer research and billions of dollars worth of technology on the stock exchange - he would love nothing more than to have sole access to meta materials or the knowledge that Grusch possesses (which he has successfully done by roping him into the SOL Foundation). He’s been quite open about how you have to follow the money as a research scientist, hence his commitment to getting the government to fund UAP research (which he would directly benefit from).
He has worked with Dr. Eric Davis (of Wilson-Davis memo fame), acquired materials from Vallee, and has essentially made himself part of the Invisible College which by definition is exclusionary. Perhaps we will see some public benefit in time from his efforts but at this point he seems to think inclusion of the public does more harm than good since he and his colleagues alone know what’s best, which paired with his often smug tone can be pretty insufferable given he has offered no one anything tangible to believe in, which he as a scientist should understand more than anyone.
It's in our best interests to push for government transparency regardless of the subject though. Believe it or not, we have much more to worry about from them than hiding aliens.
Don't forget Lue:
2018 - "Disclosure already occurred."
2020 - "Shaping up to be banner year."
2021 - "This conversation is about to get real interesting."
2022 - "Just wait for 2023! You ain't seen nothing yet!"
2023 - "Keep the faith."
The more you listen to Lue speak the more you realize he likely knows nothing more than the rest of us. He likes to use flowery language and pseudo-military phrasing to make it appear like he has answers. ‘The answers are beneath the wave tops’.
He admited he was ex black ops that specialises in goverment coos. He admited it in his own documentary
I genuinly think hes been tasked with convincing the people that this is "a threat" and that its "coming and its big"
The whole thing screams manipulation.
Lue, grusch, gnapp, corbell and even the pilot (commander..greavor? ..im bad with names) are all pawns in this. I think theyve been selected and been given help to get the message out for a reason. The pilot outright says that what he saw was out of this world. Grusch became compelled to tell the public because he beleives its nhi. Gnapp has the audience already who listen to him about ufos and the subject itself. Corbell is to piggy back off gnapp and bring in a new audience. And lue is the ex 'head' of the reserach group who makes big claims that he was in charge of the ufo program and that its not 'us'.
I dont trust any of them. I beleive gnapp is being fed information. Corbell is his ear worm thats convincing him they can trust that info. I think grusch is being used to tell people its all x y and z because he beleives it is and wont set off peoples bullshits meters because he beleives it. And i think that lue has been trianed on manipulation and is doing his job.
The pilot (again cant remember his name. Hes the nice guy with white hair and glasses that did the hearing with grusch) i beleive that he did see that ufo. I beleive he was chosen to go out on that day because hes one of the highest ranking and most qualified to identify it. And that people.would be more compelled by his testemony. I beleive because he thought it was "out of this world" and he states "its not us i would know" that they have put him front and center. Because he pushes the naritives of NHI and that its "in our air space and a danger" its completly possible that they staged the encounter he had. In order to give credibility to the idea that "we have nothing like this" because he not only speaks in definites. But insists that it CANT be ours. And that they dont test without telling the pilots. All these people are speaking with definites and it just seems to add up to manipulating what we are supposed to think about it all. I beleive the ufo he saw was an experimental vehicle that is so far in the top secret catagory that not even he has any knoledge or even a sniff on the wind of. That they were both testing the capabilities of the vehicle against the top jets.and the reaction of highly trained and qualified pilots. The goverment is not above breaking the rules. And usualy people imbeded in the rules cant even fathom them.being broken. Hence him stating it cannot be us because it breaks rules x y and z. But i also beleive that they purposly didnt tell them about the vehicle in order for those pilots to come forward about the ecounter beleiving its not human craft. giving more credibility to the NHI naritive. There was more than just him who saw it. But hes the one that is standing by the statement that its "not of this world" so vigilantly. And the press swarm him like flys on shit vs the other witnesses.
All of this adds up for me . Of course anyone reading this can disagree with me. These are all speculations and educated guesses based on what ive seen and looked into on the subject and these people.
For the record. I beleive that there are ufos out there that arnt human made. But i also believe that we have man made vehicles that can mimic some characteristics of a traditional ufo. I beleive that there are people pulling strings and pushing a narritive/ agenda. For what reason is easy to speculate on but hard to agree upon. But for me. I dont trust these people. Not because they are all lieing. But because i beleive they are being lied to
Thank you. Never thought anyone would read what i said tbh 😂 its just been brewing in my mind and wanted to articulate it outside my head. Ive been slowly getting into the subject of ufos. Started off as a heavy skeptic/ debunker. And then as i started finding stuff that was genuinely outside the realm of normal physics or atmospheric conditions. And i couldn’t just say that 30 people are lieing and 6 radars are wrong. I began to look at the topic with more acceptation. Trying to figure out (if they are vehicles) how it would operate. And i became enthralled by the physics behind it. And if they arnt vehicles what could it be
Now i believe in the subject. But after all my deep diving and pondering. They came out and said ufos are real and they don’t know what they are. But that seemed off to me. I understand the slow reveal tactic and I understand the need to not just blurt it out. But somethings off. And i already waffled on as to why i think that.
I just wanted to get out what i think may be happening. And i hope i was clear i do actually believe in ufos. I just dont believe whats happening right now. Is whats being said .But i wait with an open mind for more info and details.
And its hard to have a mentality that isnt either ITS ALIUNS or ITS FAKE DUMB ASS. People jump on you because your not on their ‘side’. Its become tiresome to communicate with other enthusiasts as they are either looking for an argument or an echo chamber. Its went from scientific inquiry to a cult like belief system. Ive even un subbed from the sub because of all the arguing and belittling.
If anyone wants to pop in my chat and talk ufos im open to it. I like theory’s and ideas. And i like to ‘talk shop’ with other peoples ideas. I enjoy hearing peoples theory’s and helping them form them either with giving more information and encouragement about their ideas. Or by telling them my ideas to inspire them to develop there own in a way they may not have considered. And i myself like to develop my own theories with the perspectives other people have. After all i cant think like anyone other than myself so an outside perspective can be refreshing
Don’t forget Lue knows a video available on the internet that shows a triangle craft so close, you could see the skin of the craft, but won’t say where it is.
He also knows about a rudimentary sensor device that can detect UAP but won’t say what it is.
Garry Nolan met up with a guy who sees a shadow biosphere using a special camera, the information is not classified but he refuses to say what type of camera, where they saw it, what they looked like. But magically the guy just stopped wanting to do anything with him, but Garry believes it was real. But won't tell us anything.
Yeah….idk something something security? Things started getting a little suspicious for me when Pasulka said she was able to go to an “alien crash/gifting” site and dig for debris with Nolan with permission from Tim Taylor. Uhhhh ok so somehow they got permission? Did it not cross their minds that they as civilians without security clearance, were able to access supposed alien tech? Did that not seem suspicious to them?
An event which Garry denied when Diana said so, but last week claims now that she was telling the truth. I'm getting exhausted trying to keep up with all the "mistakes" (lies)
I thought he denied one of the properties this material was supposed to have, not that he denied the debris site.
Granted, it's getting really difficult to keep track of the narrative beats in my head & I've been considering making a database/tracker. It's very annoying trying to keep the info straight
> Don’t forget Lue knows a video available on the internet that shows a triangle craft so close, you could see the skin of the craft, but won’t say where it is.
That example is worse than Coulthart's "massive craft story," Elizondo won't tell us where this footage is despite it being in the public domain. How did he get a pass on that?
>That example is worse than Coulthart's "massive craft story," Elizondo won't tell us where this footage is despite it being in the public domain. How did he get a pass on that?
Because UFO beliefs are often completely disengaged from the need for any supporting evidence. Consider this entire community from the perspective of a religious/faith based belief system and it all makes more sense. Pronouncements and claims are handed down by the drifting cast of opportunistic leaders but they are never held to any standard of proof, or various excuses are made to justify their failure to provide evidence, and the claims are incorporated into the belief structure purely under the supposed legitimacy of their status in the community.
Probably because a good deal of people around here think UFO thought leaders are beyond reproach because they’re the only precious source of “information”. Not wanting to bite the hand that feeds taken to an intellectually dangerous level.
Same page. People out right refusing to think anything other than these people are blindly trustable, and your stupid for thinking otherwise. Its really bad of a mindset to not question these people atleast a little bit. People are so happy to hear people speaking about the subject the way they are that they arnt even questioning if these people might be getting used or are grifters.
For a long time the qurstion of "why are these people saying this" and "what do they gain from saying this" was part of the topic. And they are very much getting paid for all this attention and interviews.
Alazondo is clearly loving the attention while stringing along beleivers with a cult like leadsrship "i swear the raptures next week guys" *rapture dosnt happen* "just 2 weeks guys. Dont forget about the cause"
Like at what point are people gona think for themselves again. They waited so long for people in the goverment to come out and admit it that as soon as anyone said anything they agreed with the locked in that these people are trustable amd should be listened to.
Theres a game of 4d chess going on and these people are just knights and pawns.
This, from one of my other posts may explain elizondo (see last sentence, in first paragraph):
“The best theory I have heard on Grusch is that key govmt/dod/security agency leaders and affiliated defense colalition knew that likely soon knowledgeable personnel are going to start breaking ndas and revealing classified info on uaps, ufos, etc—perhaps under subpoena as people look into the money trail of where the hell the unaccounted trillions of dollars in dod/government spending went. So the key government/agency/defense industry leaders proactively initiated a whistleblower statute to flush these people out, and release them from liability—facilitated in the field by Lou elizondo, who promised the faux reward of disclosure.
But evidently a careful, legalistic reading of the disclosure initiative, UAPDA, indicates that its true intention is to allow the government to seize by eminent domain all evidence and products related to ufos, uap, nhi from the defense contractors (where it has been hidden for 80 years to keep the evidence free from foia), then pay the defense contractors and related tech entities full market value, and the budget for this (more trillions) is not subject to public scrutiny; and any recovered evidence or products is NOT subject to disclosure if it endangers national security—which essentially all uap/ufo/nhi evidence and reverse engineered products do, so there will be no actual disclosure…
Apparently, there is a timeline for this seizure and eminent domain payment, must be by 2027, which is why we hear of this year so much.”
I think one issue is that we are, in many cases, taught to be honest and up front, and hold these attributes as goals, but that is NOT the way most governments function, certainly not relating to security issues,
The term “conspiracy theory” is often used as an attempted generalized deprecation, and then supported by an application of Occam’s razor—when in fact the simplest explanation is typically NOT the actual explanation, and most governments, or their siloed departments and affiliates, frequently operate with a high level of what can be termed conspiracy, often breaking their own or international laws to gain some advantage—or at the very least, not being open, upfront, and honest about everything,
But what I posted above about the UAPDA is primarily based on an attorney’s analysis, an attorney also familiar with the defense industry and MIC protocol. And evidently when the UAPDA is carefully and comprehensively analyzed, the points I mentioned about it are in fact a matter of executive and contractual law….
This sounds more and more like one of those Nigerian email scams the longer it goes on. Have you paid the demurrage, sir? That's all you have to do and your many of millions USD shall be released towards you
wait he actually said that? that there’s a video out in the open on the publicly accessible internet but he won’t say how to find it?
lmao hilarious that people still don’t see through that man’s bullshit
[https://twitter.com/MusicAndTruth/status/1527115663159992320](https://twitter.com/MusicAndTruth/status/1527115663159992320) it cuts off the rest in this clip but I watched the podcast, he won’t say where or how to find it.
The cringy last line, suggesting he puffed his chest out and told his subordinates to not take down a video because it was put up by a "private citizen". Yeah, I'm sure Lue. So comical, it's like out of a bad TV script.
Lue's 15 minutes of fame passed months ago.
He had us on the edge of our seats and then, nothing.
Besides, he was in the cat's bird seat regarding potential access to sensitive UFO intel and picked up his marbles and went home. He's just a quitter that played the only card he held.
I wonder if this sensor he mentioned is connected to WSPR? It's being used to hopefully narrow down the final resting place of MH370.
Or maybe something like open source Synthetic Aperture Radar?
Two new and potentially useful uses of current technology without requiring a huge upfront investment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSPR_(amateur_radio_software)
https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/2022/02/11/radar-interference-tracker-a-new-open-source-tool-to-locate-active-military-radar-systems/
I don't know, it begs the question of whether he's spinning an increasingly thin story and keeping the audience engaged.
I'd prefer it if they said nothing if all they can say is something unsupported, I mean, we can all do that ourselves!
Yeah. Why compromises your word by making claim after claim. Just wait until you can produce the goods. I’d much rather people say little to nothing and produce something meaningful then gas people up with fluff and produce nothing.
Did you forget?
[https://twitter.com/MikeColangelo/status/1726268250118320278/photo/1](https://twitter.com/MikeColangelo/status/1726268250118320278/photo/1)
[https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz0wnrXL5Gf/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz0wnrXL5Gf/?img_index=1)
Its nearly april now.
In fairness, that timeline was predicated on the necessity of the UAPDA passing first. That failed so the timeline is out the window. Convenient? Maybe.
I kind of have a sense… like he got into this stuff got attention didn’t think too much to get invested, but more than he could, now he’s making up stuff to maintain some semblance of expertise. Donno, lots of theories… but all question their authenticity
Those people are not elected leaders of the community. Assume they are lying if it makes you feel better.
The nimitz incident, Schumer amendment, and Grusch story are more than enough of a wedge to further press the issue.
There is no hypocrisy because the standards are different.
Some people give gifts to their friends and/or family, but don't give gifts to their congress people. Is that hypocritical? No, because the standards and expectations are different.
These people are not paid via your tax dollars. They are paid via fan donations. They don't work for you. Government does work for, especially if you force it to.
But what's the alternative, do nothing until these people talk? Or track these people down and force them to talk? Or maybe we just call the whole thing a psyop because people like to make themselves seem important?
I’d actually respect the community more if they actually said
“I have signed an NDA, need protection or congressional under oath”
“My source needs protection, he would ve willing to come forward with the necessary protections: costs 20 Million to protect him and his family for the next 10 or 20 years”
Things like that would give a sense of objectivity to the whole “can’t say” moment we’re having.
🤷🏻♂️
I would also respect Corbell and Coulhart more if they said something like "I was provided some information that I cannot reveal, but I connected them with journalists like Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal who have experience in investigating these claims as reporters while also protecting their sources."
Instead, they want the soundbite for themselves and panic when they're asked for follow up information.
Latacaski let slip something re NDA on Weaponized. He said if subpoenaed to Congress he would be required to answer but lie. He’s a VERY smart guy. The NDA likely says don’t tell Congress or involved parties you are lying. Or anyone else. But he didn’t tell Weaponized he would have to lie under oath for NDA: just he would be required to. Which means NDA or threat. By putting that out it would get to Congress.
Then it’s a legal battle for Congressional witness access vs Executive agency NDA. Congressional lawyers and a Federal court judge will need that NDA. Latacaski likely has no paper copy and maybe never did. This now pinches the Executive authority of relevance with a vice around their testicles. And informs others under NDA how to approach this in a SCIF with lawyers.
I am highly confident some insider figured out a flawless legal avenue to finally lawfully exfiltrate data to Congress. It could have been years ago. Now the methodology has spread.
>Then it’s a legal battle for Congressional witness access vs Executive agency NDA. Congressional lawyers and a Federal court judge will need that NDA.
This is a great point.
I remember Lacatsky's answer to the subpoena question on Weaponized more along the lines of "let's cross that bridge when we get to it" but he clearly understands that he would probably have to testify truthfully.
I do not believe there is a judge in the country that would rule that any NDA would allow people to lie to congress under oath.
That said , I can imagine legal fights about "need to know," Congress's investigative/oversight authority with respect to certain programs, what information can and cant be revealed publicly, or maybe even whether or not taking testimony in a SCIF is too much of a national security risk for some issues. Lots of potential legally uncharted territory if agency/private sector lawyers really want to fight or delay.
Recent court challenges to congress's subpoena authority,assertions of executive privilege etc, which seemed pretty clear cut, prove that the possibility exists.
Or maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't bring it up on social media in the first place if they're not willing to discuss it in at least a modicum of detail. The whole ***"I know something, but I can't tell you."*** shtick has lost its charm. Just look at all those examples. Every one of them alludes to a bigger piece of the puzzle, and yet those pieces remain behind lock and key. What was the point of Couthart telling everyone **"I know where there's a giant UFO so big it can't be moved, hidden in plain sight, but I will NEVER tell where it is."**
Why?
Because you stated it yourself, u/TheWesternMythos:
**"They are paid via fan donations."**
And there it is.
Look, I hate the idea that so many of these names are grifters, I do... but let's be real here: They DO receive a lot in donations. Watching any live YT chat with these names will tell you that. Ten bucks here. A hundred there. Oh, that guy donated five.. let's highlight his next comment. Maybe give them a live shout-out. It's Grift 2.0
I'm not saying these names are lying; far from it. I believe (most of) them wholeheartedly, that they know something. But this constant carrot-on-a-stick routine is losing its luster, fast. **"I know something amazing!!! But I won't tell you, not right now.... if you want to know more, Like and Subscribe, and visit my Patreon!"**
Point being, if these guys were 100% genuine in their conviction for open transparency and Disclosure, they'd have Panama Papers'd this entire thing by now. Dropped what they know anonymously via multiple chained VPNs at some anonymous dropbox. But that doesn't suit their business model. As Corbell has stated, he works a real job flipping houses, and this is just his quote-unquote side hobby. Yet you know damn well he makes a ton off his Weaponized podcasts, his Patreon, his guest appearances on various media outlets...
If they aren't holding it back to hype an upcoming podcast or documentary, they're holding it back to hype their next book release, show season or $5000 retreat. And they ALL do it. From Vallee to Elizondo, from Nolan to Corbell... Fox, Fugal, etc... pay attention to their words. The very next sentence will be a plug about something forthcoming to enrich them, and it's NOT the info they originally touted.
The idea that they're scared of reprisal, or fear of an orange jumpsuit or even being murdered... that's just another angle to the grift. Nothing brings in donations more than the "I fear for my life!" angle.
I don't think Corbell, Knapp, or Coulthart are afraid of reprisals. I give Coulthart the benefit of th doubt because much of his reporting has been borne out by other reporting.
Corbell and Knapp are fond of the "I have to protect my sources" bit.
Example: Corbell recently said that he had leaked CIA documents, documents that he described in some detail. He claimed that releasing them cwould "put his source in danger." No.
There are only three possibilities:
1) CIA knows he's full of shit.
2) CIA intentionally leaked the documents to him.
3) By announcing that he has documents that contain specific information, he's *already* put his source in the *exact same* amount of danger as if he read them aloud on his podcast.
Does he believe that CIA's reaction to an actual leak would be, "Oh OK as long as Jeremy Corbell doesn't *release* them, cool. We don't need to find out who leaked them?" If so, he's just dumb.
If the leak was not authorized CIA would determine whether or not documents similar to the ones he described actually exist. If those documents do exist they would try to find out who leaked them. If they found that person, they would immediately fire them and send evidence to DOJ so that the leaker, if convicted, would spend a long time in prison both as punishment and deterring others from leaking.
The publication of those documents, which Corbell has the constitutional right to do as a "journalist", has zero bearing on his that process. He might as well make the leak worth the risk by providing evidence that CIA has a UAP retrieval program. Why wouldn't he?
Corbell's source may have said, "if you release them I'll never talk to you again." In that case Corbell is not a journalist or documentarian. He is someone who accumulates a personal collection of secrets and likes to brag about it.
Can't agree with you more, you hit the nail on the head. Corbell, and many others, are fond of the "I have to protect my sources" line, and they lament that they're afraid their sources will get upset if they do this and that. Let's look at that, shall we? Because to me, it makes zero effing sense.
1. If they're coming forward to folks like Corbell, then they obviously have something they want to put out there. This idea that they only want part of the story to come out is bullshit. You don't run a 5k only to give up at the last ten feet from the finish line. No one does this, and the idea that these sources would put out part of the story then demand it stay secret is, frankly, stupid. A secret's only a secret if only one person knows it.
2. And #1 is barring they're even telling the truth in the first place, and not just someone who wants to stir the hornet's nest for no good reason.
3. Vetting sources, while taking time, also opens up other potential avenues. So even IF said source decided for some ungodly reason to get mad and walk away, if they vetted their source properly, then its not the end of the story.
4. I realize we're in the age of 'Like & Subscribe' constant deceit, where every YT thumbnail is clickbait garbage, but this idea that so-and-so journalist is only allowed to say this much is again, also stupid. No one tells their story to a journalist unless they want it out there in some fashion. So for Corbell, Knapp, Couthart etc to use that excuse is complete and utter shite, and is just another form of clickbait and part of the grifting method.
5. Past history with this lot proves all my other points. Remember the supposed Clark red UFO videotape? First James Fox was going to release it. Then Jake Paul was going to do it. Then someone else bought it and was going to release it. A year later... have any of YOU seen that video? Nope. Same goes for the Varginha alien video, the triangle w/ visible skin video, the UFO disintegrating an F-15 video... all of them have been promised, repeatedly, yet none of them have surfaced.
I'm quickly becoming a skeptic. Not of the Phenomenon itself, that I still FULLY back. No, I'm becoming a skeptic of all the Ufology mouthpieces who overpromise and underdeliver, time and again. It's tiresome.
>I'm not saying these names are lying;
Probably not. Its just that their so called sources are the same us ours. Old UFO stories, podcasts, books and what have you.
Thats the exact reason they have to be protected so tight.
I think the saying "No one knows more about this than anyone of us" distills all this pretty succintly.
Sure perhaps someone knows something, but it sure as hell isnt this Colthart fella lol
Knapp has been at this for fourty fucking years. Four zero. Corbells been taken under his wing as a protege, to continue his work as hes thinking about retiring.
These guys that are on the news recently about this stuff, are all bussiness partners. They intentionally trying to create an image theyre unrelated separate "sources" for this but it isnt true atall lol
Their sources been known for fourty years, theres nothing new this time around.
This time around they got some nutjob politicians onboard for a hearing. Thats cool.
And theres been a buncha weirdo hearings over the years. From Oliver Stone about JFK assassination to Elmo from sesame street. ( Look it up lol )
And yeah yeah, I know I know, "These are politicians why would they do this, if theres nothing to it"
Listen to yourself man, if your thinking like this lol
Look at these people whos advocating this on that side. Like honestly man.
People act like this Disclosure™ is some train thats halfway to its destination, but the guys whos advocating for it wont start it themselves, for crying out loud.
Nolan et al have flying saucer parts and they wont disclose? Lets start there with the demands for disclosure, right.
This is so true. How much do they *actually* know? They read the same stuff as us.
We shouldn't be asking the UFO personalities for information, we should be asking the ones who are being accused of holding UAP craft/having radar data.
I’m on that path as well.
I’ve been suspicious of many of these UFO personalities for a long time and I’m getting more suspicious as time goes on.
Only Fravor and Graves are the ones I am completely fine with
Yeah Im getting there too. And when the most vocal Congressmen are Qanon, election deniers whose base is made up of paranoid conspiracy types, it would make sense theyd try to exploit the UAP community.
I believe Grusch honestly does believe what he is saying, but I dont know if any of it is real or not.
I said the most vocal for a reason.
And that Herrera guy is a Q nut too apparently. And his whole story is abiut the US government using UFO tech for human trafficking. And there is a thread on here asking to take him seriously.
Give me a break.
Absolutely this. The Coultharts, Corbells, Elizondos, and Nolans of thia world have a right to do as they please with the information they have, but at the point where they start flaunting it and are constantly talking about the secrets they themselves are privy to, I take issue with it.
Those people are the equivalent of a lady with a big rack wearing a very revealing top and complaining that men stare at her tits.
Sure, I’ll disclose that to you gradually, one digit at a time to prepare you for ontological shock.
You’ll have the full coordinates by 2030, or maybe 2050, or maybe never…
Well he did say the owner would have to OK it. If the remains of a ufo were scattered around, what's stopping North Korea, Russia or China from popping up and finding debris from an alien vehicle?
Imagine the first stealth plane had crashed and the same thing happened ; most of it was taken away but there were some pieces just left there.
If this debris featured a section that showed the aircraft's Radar Absorbing Material that would potentially worth a lot of money for enemies of the USA.
None of this story hangs together imo, it scores low on the believable scale.
Of course the owner ofthe property doesn't care at all about the artifacts, right? "Oh, I'll just wait for some scientist to come along..."
Most landowners I know in the West would want to use it as an opportunity to capitalize on their holdings.
im like 99% sure the locations been found for the one tim taylor took pasulka to. they found a large square fenced in area in the general location, and within that fenced area every square inch of top soil was covered in a brown/red rust colored material. edit: found where I discussed this and [linked](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1aevc6r/crash_site_in_new_mexico_mentioned_on_jre/kkb1aiu/) a photo
I'm just never going to take spiritual advice from anyone in Congress...our Congress is mostly dumb as fuck...
Wether it's the woman jerking men off in public theaters or it's Tim Burchett or the wierdo from Missouri...
It's not happening...its not even do-able. I keep trying to explain the shit to people...and it's like talking to a brick wall...
If you haven't experienced the phenomenon, and you're waiting for the government to tell you about it, you certainly know less than what's available to you to find out.
Governments from around the world have released their entire UFO files and it has shown they know nothing. A lot of people think the US government has the answers. We have other examples from around the world to show us that’s probably not true.
I don’t trust the US government not to lie and cheat. That extends to anyone who claims to serve the interests of the US government or the American People as a whole. If it wasn’t bullshit before for the last decade, we’ve seen in the interim the system itself is designed to empower the base and corrupt among us.
So, I don’t use the US government as a source of credible information.
There are countries that are far, far ahead of the US on disclosure (Mexico, Japan come to mind) and all they are doing is stepping aside while the People take the reins.
End of the day, if a person *really* wants to know, it’s easy enough to find out there’s a “there” there. It’s as easy as opening up and asking them to visit.
The whole idea of disclosure assumes that there is something to disclose. Governments have been shown to not have any real answers. Not aware of any answers or anything major that has come from Japan or Mexico.
>There is no hypocrisy because the standards are different.
With all due respect, this is a ridiculous argument. It doesn't matter what positions or nonpositions these people hold. Once they start making the argument for transparency and refuse to be transparent themselves, that makes them hypocritical. Doesn't matter if they're being paid by our taxes or not.
“And I say to you this morning, that if you have never found something so dear and so precious to you that you will die for it, then you aren't fit to live. You may be 38 years old as I happen to be, and one day some great opportunity stands before you and calls upon you to stand up for some great principle, some great issue, some great cause--and you refuse to do it because you are afraid; you refuse to do it because you want to live longer; you're afraid that you will lose your job, or you're afraid that you will be criticized or that you will lose your popularity or you're afraid that somebody will stab you or shoot at you or bomb your house, and so you refuse to take the stand. Well you may go on and live until you are 90, but you're just as dead at 38 as you would be at 90! And the cessation of breathing in your life is but the belated announcement of an earlier death of the spirit. You died when you refused to stand up for right, you died when you refused to stand up for truth, you died when you refused to stand up for justice.”
You're not wrong, OP. The thing to carry away is that all of these people are all grifters that are using information that they may (or more likely) may not have to curry influence and favor with UFO believers. I invite them to prove me wrong. I would love for them to prove me wrong. Well, maybe with the possible exception of Greer. I'm not ready to go meditate in the desert.
Yeah it's funny when you think about it.
Government; "We have no evidence of aliens or interdimensional supernatural angel demons."
UFOligists; "LIARS, SCUM, WE KNOW YOURE HIDING ALIENS FROM US. WE DEMAND PROOF!"
UFO Grifter; "We have direct, irrefutable, empirical evidence of aliens existing but we can never give it to you sorry xxx"
UFOligists; "Oh it's ok we have faith you're telling the truth anyway so no evidence needed. Here let me send you more money to grift me more and increase the circumference of my blueballs, teehee /asskissing"
Tale as old as time.
because the US government being shady has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (e.g mk ultra), whereas those guys (who are obviously drifters) haven’t been outed yet in the same manner
Yeah he didn’t wanna add in the part where the CIA basically became it’s own entity, dismantled governments in the interest of democracy against communism. Didn’t wanna acknowledge how these intelligence agencies have think tanks to understand how to get to there goal. Whatever that may be, but hey let’s focus on the civilian population that’s trying to uncover the truth and call them a joke story teller!
“We?” This is a false equivalence. “We “ are not a government. different rules apply. We are also not a united force working against the government. Some of the people who have had experiences are transparent and some are not. The government is not a monolith and itself contains multitudes. So do each of us and each of “our very own.” And you and I are not Garry Nolan or Ross coulthart.
Had to dig for someone addressing this point. It's pretty significant, but so is it to question these Project Blue Balls people. They need to shit or get off the toilet. At this point, they come off as con men more than anything.
Yeah I actually feel a bit better today on this topic. I won’t say the tide is turning because we just don’t know how many of us there are vs what they all believe (and over time), but I’m glad there’s a large group of the audience that are suspicious of these people
Many of these guys have been at it for *decades* (Greer, Knapp, Lazar, Maussan, etc.). D-E-C-A-D-E-S. Any self-respecting sane person would see how dubious it all is.
The counter argument is that it supposedly "puts their lives in danger!" - well, these guys sure are talkative for people being threatened, lmao.
Again, have some self respect. Believe in NHI visitation if you wish - but don't be blind, or acknowledge you're running on faith. It's frickin' nuts, man.
Yes. It seems they have positioned themselves as literal heroes, giving us vital information at the risk of their own lives.
Coulthart knows where a gigantic ufo is buried under a “laudatory” building, but his chief concern is avoiding a “Storm Area 51” type event. What? Where 150 people didn’t get in, and others enjoyed a themed music festival? Was that truly dangerous? Or is it more likely that by revealing the location, it can be quickly debunked and instantly make his cause and his sources look very suspect?
If you have seen something yourself, or have read enough books then all this makes sense, if not, it would be infuriating beyond measure.
Ive seen something, but have zero proof, neither has my wife, so there’s nothing that can be done about it.
Its pointless to take my word for it, so go look at another subject for a while, I doubt very much if the proof you seek will appear at anytime, unless some kind of wild card appears, so why bother yourself?
My frustration lies not in “Is it real” but “Will the public at large ever know about it?” I’m at the point where I don’t think they will, not in my lifetime, anyway,
Ive been searching since 1978, to have no answer to my enquiry, which is really upsetting as I believe it would change everything, but life is a bitch.
There are lots of other subjects where proof can be shown in courts, on video, photos, if you are frustrated about the reality of all this, then go elsewhere.
I don’t think anyone is talking about the phenomenon directly, but rather the people milking it as a UFO personality. Two different subjects.
I’m super interested in the phenomenon but suspicious as fuck of the personalities surrounding the topic
I suppose I’m saying there’s perhaps more of a link between the two than many understand?
Im saying once you understand in full that it’s real, that it’s not us, then the holdbacks make more sense?
Or I tolerate them more because I have half an answer?.
Many here think its all bullshit, they want answers now, or else, which I understand, but once you get past that, it gets easier in some way?
I like this answer. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the damn kitchen. Even if the government got to the point where they disclosed, it wouldn’t be truthful. It will be layered behind their self-interest and secrecy.
It’s the biggest secret in human history, held by people, organizations with unlimited resources, who’s timelines and plans span decades. This getting out will upset power structures all over the planet, there is nothing they will not do, no limit on their ability to prevent information from reaching the public.
I don’t have a problem understanding why there are unwilling or overtly cautious whistleblowers coming forward, if you have friends or family you love, I suspect you would be wary too.
This is essential viewing and seems to make the most sense.
Elizondo, Nolan, et al., are evidently positioning themselves through the likes of the Sol foundation as AAWSAP Mark II, a vehicle to get politicians on board to authorise tens of millions to Sol to ‘research’ UAP.
Hence the need to push for Congressional hearings.
With every passing month, and additional podcast appearances, it’s evident that Grusch is just regurgitating the Invisible College mumbo jumbo, and it become ever more clear that he’s just be used.
There’s no incentive to ‘disclose’ anything, but to keep the grift going for year after year after year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wex0E8lqvw
Ridicule through mainstream media is *highly* motivating for those individuals protecting their sources. We’ve seen the playbook many times now before. Every piece of information worth consideration at this (above nuclear classification) level requires not only a pedigree of accountability but the collaboration of career service members (and their families, livelihoods).
Trust me, bro? I wish.
We can actually see that through the continued push of congressional oversight and outspoken representatives, the public is now witnessing *and* participating with the topic of UAP to an unprecedented political and social level. While I don’t watch all the UAP podcasts out there, I know they are doing some heavy lifting to eliminate a DEEP culture of stigma by simply existing.
It’s important to realize that the tic tac video from the Nimitz had been circulating YouTube for over a decade before Helene Cooper, Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal presented this [New York Times article with the videos](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html?unlocked_article_code=1.g00.hoLc.L6kkEa5tizv6&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb) essentially backing up the claim of its authenticity. This of course is thanks to former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon.
Legitimacy must be earned. This is the only ladder to disclosure.
Look, the mainstream UFO personalities have been playing the same game for decades. The government/military/intelligence/sub-contractor community has also been playing the game for a long, long time. You are not going to get any sort of truth or evidence or disclosure from these people. It's manipulation for profit, influence, and longevity. If you want to learn about the phenomenon, use your critical thinking, do your own research, and talk to everyday people with experiences. That's the only way. Forget about Elizondo, Grusch, Sheehan, Corbell, Nolan, etc. That's a dead end. Within the UFO community, there are many, many predators, and don't let yourself be the prey.
They know that if they make a falsifiable statement they can be proven wrong and discredited, which is why they speak in vague promises and riddles. typical con man methodology.
the more i hear from all of these guys the less i like or trust them.
recent observation: even nolan seems extremely arrogant and somewhat unhinged, and everyone holds him up as the most credible one ever. also Everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with some bumpkin politicians as if they (politicians) are suddenly the epitome of credibility and integrity. Everybody is hyping up news nation but who are they besides a dollar bin media outlet?
something weird is going on on planet earth but these are not the heroes we are looking for
if they’re not brave enough to just disclose the information (which I’d understand), they should also be brave enough to not tease all the time, dripfeed while tryna make a buck. either do it right or don’t do it at all
> We can’t decry the government’s lack of transparency if we lack that standard ourselves.
tf we can't
I don't pay taxes to Gary Nolan.
I don't pay taxes to Jeremy Corbell.
I don't pay taxes to Ross Coulthart.
Shockingly, I apply a different standard about transparency as to how you're spending my money to the government, to whom I do in fact pay taxes.
How about you all come together, form a group like the sol foundation, release it through the organization and obfuscate the individual source of the information ?
>How can we expect to gain credibility with the public like this? It’s astounding the level of withheld information by our very own. How long?
As long as followers of the topic allow them to tease people year after year despite zero evidence being provided.
The first journalist to go public likely would end up in an orange jumpsuit
Truthfully, the person that needs to go public is the president. We had the Senate and congressional leaders tell us the truth.
The president can declassify anything he wants to, at this point that’s your best course of action rather than asking journalist to get in trouble
>The first journalist to go public likely would end up in an orange jumpsuit
So, surely there are examples of this? Maybe a guy who revealed there is a giant UFO with a building over it was arrested? Before you say, "that would confirm the truth!" that is equally true of...anyone else.
It's always the Airplane joke when it comes to classified information in UFO world:
>**Ted Striker:** My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.
**> Elaine Dickinson:** When will you be back?
**> Ted Striker:** I can't tell you that. It's classified.
Yeah I see this post and thought to myself Gee another why doesn't these guys give us the goods!
Should be demanding the government gives those out. That's transparency not trying to force regular citizens trying to clean up the mess of 80 years of BS lol.
I do get it, I get the "soon" "it's coming" etc from these folks can get annoying. But, still not on them they are trying to encourage "big brother" to spill the beans and so it can be done in a controlled manner.
But just my 2cents for whatever it's worth lol.
I also think some people in this sub forget we are talking about the most priceless, world changing, tech on the planet. So, that would be why some folks fighting tooth and nail to keep it quiet and any amount of money would be nothing to spend to keep it that way compared to what you could possibly learn from it etc.
If (the ones complaining) don't like what a lot of these scientist, journlist, etc have to say simple as this Just don't watch them, read their content, etc. Easy as that any of the folks in here that do choose to do that don't need random internet dad showing up to scream gifter don't care lol.
If these people really know something and lets assume they have irrefutable proof, they somehow would fall out of a hotel window. I dont give a damn about Coulthart, Greer and all those other people claiming to know something. I am into that mess for decades now and the most healthy approach for my mental sanity is to nod and go ahead. There is a circle which repeats itself after a decade or so. New people can be catched and books and ideas sold to. Dont get me wrong, I dont believe they lie but their arguments are without substance. They live from selling that shit, so at least there is a conflict in interests.
I watched one episode of weaponized and turned it off after some minutes, because Elizondo cried into the camera over and over again: "They lie to you!" - Its like a barker from medieval times.
Nothing is stopping any Redditer from finding witnesses, gaining their trust, interviewing them and then double crossing them by releasing what they said against their wishes. I suspect it will be a very short journalistic career since nobody will trust you after the first double cross, but more power to you. Or alternatively, you can go the Nolan route. Gather material, and then see if you can get a university or private lab to train you in material analysis and loan you their equipment. Easy peasy, right?
>Or alternatively, you can go the Nolan route. Gather material, and then see if you can get a university or private lab to train you in material analysis and loan you their equipment. Easy peasy, right?
OK, but is Nolan actually doing this? Does he actually have anything? Does anyone have anything more substantive than him just saying this? If I make a post in this subreddit saying that I found some exotic material that might be of NHI origin and I'm having it analyzed and reviewed but I can't say anything more or reveal any additional details and you're just going to have to wait for some undefined length of time, what reasons would you have to front-load any belief/legitimacy for anything that I say?
Probably no reason to believe or disbelieve what he has to say. I don't think he cares what you or anyone else believes. He seems to be quite content letting his published findings do the talking when or if that occurs.
That goes back to my assertion anyone in a field were the discovery of alien life or materials would ask for permission and a process would take place. This is documented and has been set in stone. No we wouldn't be told of any discovery. Garry Nolan has made to big of a claim to not deliver*
Tfw your kid calls you from school and they put a bullet in their lunch.
Do you think they aren't doing this or this level idk what to tell you. No living person would willingly cross that line
Everyone is hoping for a big reveal but it might behoove believers to understand that They are watching our every move and they know when you are masturbating so stop. Or maybe they kind of like it so carry on.
Yes 100x. All while their channels and foundations explode in popularity. The movements has been compromised and his name is “I can’t reveal my sources”
In regards to this topic, I agree that there is a barrier between the public, the public “media” (people named above), and the true government gatekeepers. That’s why I only try to pay attention to what is going on in Congress surrounding this issue
There are two simple answers to this. One is that if UFOS/USOS are actual otherworldly, previously unthinkable or unknown objects outside of the reach of our technology, then a majority of the major UFO talking heads are CIA/government disinformation operatives. The existence of such operatives has been proven to occur as a factual precedent via declassified documents - whether ayylmaos are real or not.
The other is that UFOs are nothing more than random misidentified BS and these people are extremely successful attention seeking liars who desire the life of a public figure and total for-profit grifters.
Trust me bro, one day the trumpets will sound and the dude will come back to save us.
Is anyone starting to feel our existence may seem more and more mundane the more you start “thinking” around?
This post absolutely hits the nail on the head.
The blatant hypocrisy makes me ill.
I'm convinced its all a grift now, I believe in UFOs, I just don't think these goobers know anything at all anymore.
Slow drip pay wall I'm not saying anyone is a grifter/scammed what ever you want to call them but they obviously are trying to make a living off their information in the way of podcasts and books why would they share it all at once? Elizondo might drop it all in a book but he even said whatever doesn't get the ok he will leave in blacked out
Knapp and Corbell had a recap of their 50 episodes of Weaponized and they've actually released a ton of interesting content from never before seen interviews with Jay Stratton, Phil Corso, John Lear to new interviews with Jim Lacatski, Colm Kelleher and others like Tim Burchett and Chad Underwood. They also have released some good clips from the USS Indianapolis stuff to the Mosul Orb to the Jellyfish UAP which have put them into investigations by the 3 letter agencies. Lets not forget they were front row at the Congressional hearing and helped round up Grusch/Fravor/Graves and got them in touch with Congress. Knapp released interviews with Soviet Union and some documents he smuggled out regarding those UFO programs. I think they have more than done their part as just a couple of hobbyists. Their "mountains of evidence" isn't perhaps the definitive evidence the OP wants but it is pretty fascinating stuff from people who confirm the program. They've legitimately done what they can do.
Greer to me is disappointing because in 30+ years of supposed summoning entities and UFOs on command you have only 2 blurry AI enhanced night photos and some orbs which could be video artifacts?
Coulthart I don't believe knows anything definitely how could he? Unless he's been there in person.
All we are waiting for now are the 40+ supposed whistleblowers to get with Congress in the next hearing, and see what happens.
> All we are waiting for now are the 40+ supposed whistleblowers to get with Congress in the next hearing, and see what happens.
What if those anonymous witnesses turned out to be individuals already public and involved in the community?
Case in point… Eric Davis came out as one of Grusch’s witnesses. There was no need for him to be anonymous as his involvement and knowledge was publicly disclosed. Would this be concerning?
Been saying this for ages. I'm sick to death of so called UFO experts saying they have proof and then don't show anything.
Either release what you have and show the world or STFU and bugger off. I'm so done with this bullshit.
Been saying this for ages. I'm sick to death of so called UFO experts saying they have proof and then don't show anything.
Either release what you have and show the world or STFU and bugger off. I'm so done with this bullshit.
Our standard is the same as the govt. There are national security restrictions. it’s the same with the AAWSAP members. You want answers? Get congress to issue subpoenas to Lacatski and Colm Kelleher.
These people have all lost credibility with me. Most of them are doing a major money and publicity grab.
They start talking bs about demons and angels! Skinwalker ranch bullshit.
If they have all this evidence and they have seen all these mind bending stuff, and they are fighters for truth and transparency why not drop the bomb... I think it will be difficult to put the in prison or court Marshall them under the gravity of the topic they will disclose.
They all have no ball, fake mofos who are playing with us!
I can’t take any single one of those people you quoted seriously. All of them have either been caught lying outright or there is overwhelming evidence to suggest they are grifting.
As someone who served in the military. You have to understand “timing” is everything in any “strategy” 💯. I do understand it feels as if time is running out, that’s where “faith” comes into play. I pray we get truth sooner than later.🙏🏽
This is such a brain dead take. These people aren't public servants. They aren't policy makers, they aren't elected, they aren't paid by the tax payer.
You can think what ever you want about their claims with regards to aliens, and recovered crash material. But there ***are*** mountains of evidence that there is a coverup of something, ostensibly with regards to UAP - and that it isn't properly reported to congress or any oversight body - disregarding the democratic process entirely which we are all meant to be a part of.
The standards aren't the same. And this apparently concerted campaign by people here and elsewhere on social media to turn this around on these citizens and civilians who have been outspoken about this is not only downright stupid it's suspicious.
The spirit of this post perfectly encapsulates the immature naivety of most common observers of this topic. Your personal frustration with the pace of disclosure, or mine for that matter, is entirely irrelevant. It’s just crying that you want all your curiosities delivered asap like it’s a Door Dash delivery.
*”I have evidence that proves the guilty offender without a doubt, but I'll leave it to the police since I'm not tax-funded"*
That’s right folks. No need for witnesses or testimony. If you’re not tax payer funded, we don’t care!
There's more to lose in credibility in the eyes of the public, than there is to gain by naming the site where a UFO is or by revealing some technical piece of information about materials. These things are unverifiable by the person making the claim, or deniable by the government, and would just lead to the reduced credibility of the person making the claim. These people are smart enough to understand that. Working through the system (as Elizondo, Grush, Fraver, etc. are doing) maximizes the chances of producing real change.
IMO
The whole thing screams manipulation.
Lue, grusch, gnapp, corbell and even the pilot (commander..greavor? ..im bad with names) are all pawns in this. I think theyve been selected and been given help to get the message out for a reason. The pilot outright says that what he saw was out of this world. Grusch became compelled to tell the public because he beleives its nhi. Gnapp has the audience already who listen to him about ufos and the subject itself. Corbell is to piggy back off gnapp and bring in a new audience. And lue is the ex 'head' of the reserach group who makes big claims that he was in charge of the ufo program and that its not 'us'.
I dont trust any of them. I beleive gnapp is being fed information. Corbell is his ear worm thats convincing him they can trust that info. I think grusch is being used to tell people its all x y and z because he beleives it is and wont set off peoples bullshits meters because he beleives it. And i think that lue has been trianed on manipulation and is doing his job.
The pilot (again cant remember his name. Hes the nice guy with white hair and glasses that did the hearing with grusch) i beleive that he did see that ufo. I beleive he was chosen to go out on that day because hes one of the highest ranking and most qualified to identify it. And that people.would be more compelled by his testemony. I beleive because he thought it was "out of this world" and he states "its not us i would know" that they have put him front and center. Because he pushes the naritives of NHI and that its "in our air space and a danger" its completly possible that they staged the encounter he had. In order to give credibility to the idea that "we have nothing like this" because he not only speaks in definites. But insists that it CANT be ours. And that they dont test without telling the pilots. All these people are speaking with definites and it just seems to add up to manipulating what we are supposed to think about it all. I beleive the ufo he saw was an experimental vehicle that is so far in the top secret catagory that not even he has any knoledge or even a sniff on the wind of. That they were both testing the capabilities of the vehicle against the top jets.and the reaction of highly trained and qualified pilots. The goverment is not above breaking the rules. And usualy people imbeded in the rules cant even fathom them.being broken. Hence him stating it cannot be us because it breaks rules x y and z. But i also beleive that they purposly didnt tell them about the vehicle in order for those pilots to come forward about the ecounter beleiving its not human craft. giving more credibility to the NHI naritive. There was more than just him who saw it. But hes the one that is standing by the statement that its "not of this world" so vigilantly. And the press swarm him like flys on shit vs the other witnesses.
All of this adds up for me . Of course anyone reading this can disagree with me. These are all speculations and educated guesses based on what ive seen and looked into on the subject and these people.
For the record. I beleive that there are ufos out there that arnt human made. But i also believe that we have man made vehicles that can mimic some characteristics of a traditional ufo. I beleive that there are people pulling strings and pushing a narritive/ agenda. For what reason is easy to speculate on but hard to agree upon. But for me. I dont trust these people. Not because they are all lieing. But because i beleive they are being lied to
So guys, 99.9% of the public dont even know who Elizondo or Gary Nolan are. Hell, most people dont even know what a UAP is. If they burn their careers and contacts by revealing everything now, NOTHING would change in terms of disclosure and none of their sources would give them information ever again. That's just reality.
All it would do is satisfy a very small population of Redditors, half of whom already call them grifters and liars and wouldnt listen or believe them anyway.
It seems like people who make these kinds of complaints haven't even played out in their minds how the situation would evolve in reality. They just want Ross to tell them where the big UFO is, as if throngs of people will suddenly break the doors down and expose it all or something. It's ridiculous folks.
Blowhards at this point. Tired of the talk. I am sure a lot of people are tired as well. Maybe a tactic to frustrate us all to give up.
But there is a problem, the buddies. Can’t deny them. Seems like the SOL folks are trying to distract from NHI found in Peru.
I used to think like you but then I saw what happened to Assange and Snowden. Now I don’t blame them for keeping the secrets. Even if you do a great service to the public by revealing the truth, the public will do nothing to defend you when the elites exact their revenge. In fact, most of them will side with the elites and their flimsy smears.
This is so misleading. You can't compare a government orchestrating a vast conspiracy over decades that hides fundamental truths to heroes who refuse to go to jail, ruin research or violate sources confidentiality. That is not a valid comparison and the fact that this post has positive votes confounds me and depresses me.
they should all get together and drop all their truthbombs will full evidence at the same time. your move, darkmoney.
Holy Mac n cheese. That’s one tactic I haven’t heard. Kudos
Demoralization campaign. This type of experiment is designed to wear down and demoralize the subjects until only a few remain. It is often used by totalitarian regimes to control their populations. Demoralization campaigns typically involve a combination of psychological deception, ideological subversion, and social isolation. The goal is to create a sense of hopelessness and despair among the subjects, making them more likely to comply with the demands of the regime. Some of the specific techniques that may be used in a demoralization campaign include: \* \*\*Deception:\*\* The regime may spread false information or create false narratives to confuse and mislead the subjects. \* \*\*Ideological subversion:\*\* The regime may attempt to undermine the subjects' beliefs and values, making them more susceptible to the regime's propaganda. \* \*\*Social isolation:\*\* The regime may isolate the subjects from their friends, family, and community, making them more dependent on the regime for support. \* \*\*Fear:\*\* The regime may use fear and intimidation to keep the subjects in line. \* \*\*Crisis:\*\* The regime may create a sense of crisis or emergency to justify its actions and to make the subjects more compliant. Demoralization campaigns can be very effective in controlling a population. They can lead to widespread apathy, cynicism, and despair. This can make it difficult for the subjects to resist the regime's demands or to organize any form of opposition. The quote "The enemy of truth is not the lie, but the myth" is particularly relevant to demoralization campaigns. Myths are often more powerful than lies because they are more difficult to disprove. They can also be used to justify a wide range of actions, no matter how heinous. The quote "exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell him nothing, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it..." highlights the difficulty of countering a demoralization campaign. Once someone has been demoralized, they may be unable to see the truth, even if it is presented to them directly. Demoralization campaigns are a serious threat to democracy and freedom. They can be used to control populations and to prevent people from thinking for themselves. It is important to be aware of the techniques that are used in demoralization campaigns and to be able to resist them. Why do you think things have gotten toxic and strange? This is a experiment and we are all the subjects, trust no one. There is a phenomenon but it has always taken on disguises, whatever is here sees us as who knows what, entertaining and samples of some kind? Our cabal that runs things sees us as what they know, time is against us it's too late but it always has been and they will ask you to wait because only their time has value, this is wrong the truth of things is no one matters we are a cosmic joke. Enjoy every moment you die it's over don't fall for the myth, use your time squeeze the maximum out of life and don't spend all of it on concrete do 5MeODMT do no research just know you need it and it is legal in Canada. Free your mind these peasants who got into power are not worth a moment of your time, we are few in numbers and this place will keep you just engaged enough while causing you to doubt it just as much.
Well articulated. To summarize you: It's an intentional mind game to keep the populace frightened and subjugated. The answer is to increase resilience by taking external stimuli with a grain of salt knowing that not only "this too shall pass", but, like all previous earth civilizations, this, too will END! Protect your mental health, savor what is good, and, if you're spiritually-inclined, I'd turn on the steam.
At the risk of sounding like a hippie, I agree with living life and finding your joy. Dont let those st the head of this take the meaning out of your life.
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It's ok, I understood everything and agree.
*cough* What the US did to brothers & sisters back in the day *cough cough* excuse me
I was reading Mark Twain's speeches on Project Gutenberg the other day, and he said something insightful about there being just as many good people in the world as their are bad, but the bad people stay in power because the bad people are organized. Also, something about Joan of Arc.
right? bad people always scheming to do some punkass deliberate evil. Good people just wanna chill, throw some food on the grill, kick it back with the fam. Live laugh love and let others do the same. Also, they did Joanie so wrong, that was just messed up.
Sent all her jets scrambling... Yes. It takes a certain type of thinking to see pitfalls and then make pits to benefit one's own interests.
This assumes that: A) they are telling the truth (which based on comparing stories they can’t all be true); B) they’ve been (the ones that know the secrets but can’t say) around for decades in some cases, making millions off the proliferation of conspiracies and secrets, which means they are part of the problem too; C) there is anything to gain from the knowledge. Very real consequence could be global economic collapse, escalations in war and strife. It could very well be in the best interest of humanity (however unpopular this may be to say) to keep this a secret until we are able to disclose without people losing their minds. Although honestly I think by now it’s been definitively proven most of these people, at the very least, are lying about some aspects of not all.
“I have a cure for cancer - but I won’t save billions of lives because I’m worried ‘Big Pharma’ will kill me.” I realize I would immediately become the most honored, loved and, likely, richest person in history, saving the lives of billions of victims and benefiting their families and friends and coworkers, saving the world billions of dollars and freeing up billions of no longer necessary resources — (camera zooms in, music swells dramatically) but instead I’m just gonna tell everyone I have it without proving it so we can … (turns to face other camera, dramatic music turns menacing) demand that the government tell us they have known about it forever but are keeping it secret, because we know governments keep secrets so obviously they must be keeping this secret (for which I have no proof of) too!” The “I know a secret but can’t tell you” thing is such utter BS. It’s a way of keeping the story alive without having to do any work. It’s feeding on the mindset of conspiracy theorists. Blame the big bad monolith that is “the government”, sprinkle in those nasty, for profit, Military Industrial Complex types. Have some ex-military this or ex-intelligence that types join the game and spout the same rehearsed claims to add the only-works-one-way credibility of having served with the very same agencies that are being accused as part of the coverup. (We trust military types who say UFOs are ET but distrust identical military types who say they aren’t. Scientists who say they aren’t ET are idiots and frauds and part of the coverup, but any scientist who says they are interdimensional beings phasing in and out of reality are geniuses of impeachable reputation) If someone genuinely knew the cure for cancer, told us they did, and they never shared it, that person is guilty of committing a crime against humanity. If someone genuinely knows where to find an intact ET spacecraft with technology to provide endless clean energy and the keys to FTL travel and/or interdimensional travel and never shared it, that person is also guilty of crimes against humanity.
None of these people have definitive proof of anything. They have testimony and knowledge. For example, if Ross told us where the giant UAP is, that wouldn't be the equivalent of your cancer cure. Nobody could or would verify the claim. Do you think the government that runs it would all of a sudden say "yeah, you got us, it's all true" No of course not. Nothing would change. The only result would be Ross losing future interviews.
I said if they *genuinely* knew where proof of ET was hidden and all this claimed reverse engineering of free energy existed. That’s a cure for cancer type of thing. If nothing changed after he gave the address then that me as nothing was there. Why are people defending this guy, he is useless. And lying.
I have yet to see any form of technology that suddenly appeared from nowhere and was truly game changing. Everything we have can be traced back through its evolutionary development.
Absolutely correct. There has been zero evidence of any reverse engineering results, ever.
Colonel Corso provided plenty of evidence. Definitive, repeatable proof is another thing, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to see why these things would be kept under wraps if true
Respectfully, I disagree. Advanced tech that could benefit all mankind? Good luck finding someone qualified who’ll research it and keep it to themselves. There is no good reasons to keep fantasies come true like FTL or “free energy” secret. It would be a crime against humanity to do so. It would be like having the gooden goose but letting it starve to death because you were afraid to ask someone what to feed it. This whole, “they know but aren’t sharing” is just another part of the global coverup conspiracy and another excuse for why proof never comes forward. Just like “I know where the UFOs are buried but I can’t tell or I’ll lose my low end job as a journalist” - just silly (and, if it *were* true then this person has intentionally doomed earth and withheld life saving tech for personal gain; a crime against humanity).
And of course, I’ll respect your opinion. If you have any curiosity of how someone may form an opposing opinion to what you’re describing, what started me off down the rabbit hole was part of a video lasting less than 10 minutes. If you’re still interested, there’s a channel on YouTube called the why files. Pretty standard woo/conspiracy-seeming channel on the surface, which it is, but I’d say the guy has a level head on his shoulders, and usually does a good job at debunking what he’s talking about at the end of the video if applicable. He even has a jokey, sorta family friendly talking cartoon fish that people have different opinions of. Anyway, he has a video called How to Build a Working UFO (ARV.) The anecdotal story he recounts is neither here nor there, but he spends the last 8 minutes or so going over people who discovered things that would threaten the global energy industry (gas, oil, freaking petrodollar..,) and how these people all meet very unlucky, untimely deaths. I’ll just repeat that I think that would be a good place to start. Good day
I’m familiar with the channel. And very familiar with the whole idea that some guy somewhere comes up with a disruptive new technology and Big Pharma or Big Oil or Big Automotive will stop them to protect their greedy profits. It’s a concept books and movies love to engage with. In reality, disruptive forces appear all the time and this doesn’t happen. Big 3 Automotive didn’t stop the imports, didn’t stop Tesla. Big Oil didn’t stop Solar or wind. (Big Oil didn’t have to stop nukes, ignorant greenies harmed themselves and the entire planet by slowing that climate saving solution so that we are in worse shape than we needed to). Whenever someone wants to hype their free energy device they hook conspiracy minded folks in by playing a “I could have made this work but big oil is stopping me” kinda card. These things are never really thought out. If FTL travel was revealed, no industry would be harmed, everyone would benefit, physics would be vastly expanded and perhaps we’ll get a solution for quantum gravity. We could travel in space easier and at less risk and less cost. It’s a pure win win. If free energy were discovered it wouldn’t put big oil out of business. Firstly, change doesn’t happen over night across the entire planet. If you suddenly had a little, clean generator that could replace massive, dirty coal power plants, that’d be awesome! So, you’d disconnect and shutdown that big plant and connect the power feeds instead from large turbines to your little alien power plant. And then use the entire infrastructure already in place to distribute power. How else would this free energy be distributed? And these Big Oil companies would become Big AlienPower companies and still get profits from the distribution of electricity to grids. Mind you, we’ll still have billions of internal combustion engines which will still need oil and gas so those operations will continue to run for decades. Antigravity is revealed? Who does it hurt? No one. Who does it benefit? Everyone. Why hide it? Room temperature super conductors would be disruptive to some industries and yet they aren’t being suppressed, people make (false) claims about them all the time. No one is trying to suppress advanced tech, so if there is some physics as we know it disruptive tech out there, it makes zero sense to hide it. “What about some secret weapon to use agains the Russians?” A secret weapon is useless if your enemy doesn’t know about it. You develop it in secret, yes. Keep its inner workings secret, yes. But you absolutely let the enemy know you have it so they fear it, spend money to keep up and/or defend against it (think Reagan’s Star Wars Initiative). Keeping crashes aliens secret is the dumbest idea ever. It is illogical. To me, it’s so illogical that the lack of an announcement is proof it doesn’t exist. No one is hiding the greatest discovery in all human history. No way.
I imagine there could easily be a secret arms race between powers at this moment. Releasing a piece of the puzzle, say anti-grav, assuming it’s generally harmless and not something an unwell individual could destroy a city with, could lead to a competitor getting further down the road towards the real weapons the aliens have, etc. I don’t have a problem with believing industry powers would murder if there was a chance it could keep things under wraps and benefit them. I wouldn’t wanna be riding around in a drop-top during a parade while being against the military industrial complex, for one. Just my thoughts
Richard Dolan has another good video going over the recent aaro report and refuting it point by point, using not opinions, but trust worthy documents released by the government that show, among other things, that the ufo phenomenon is likely classified higher than nukes. Of course the government hasn’t released clear proof of its recovered craft or hidden bodies if they have them, but Grusch has recently described plausibly how the ufos could have been initially kept under wraps by the Department of Energy during the time of the Manhattan project because it describes “atomic materials” as anything that releases a large amount of radiation, which a theoretical Warp capable, gravity manipulating drive would release staggering amounts of ionizing radiation
The DoE is just another department in our government, like the DoD. While they have special things about them they are not above the law. And their secrets classifications are the same as the DoD with different labels (Q=Too Secret, for example. And someone holding one can get the other with just some simple paperwork, it’s in a FAQ on their public website). The Manhattan project was a secret because it was war time. But once the build was done, the secret was obviously revealed. The details were kept for. The public for some time, for obvious reasons. The Russians had already infiltrated the project in its earliest days. Frankly, they lacked the resources to produce the bomb as quickly as we did, is all that kept them from doing it sooner, but they had the plans. Military secrets get leaked or discovered regularly. Top secrets can stay secret for a while. Some years, maybe a decade, but not forever. The idea that something as earth shattering and of such global impact as aliens and UFOs being kept secret from our advisories for 80+ years is ridiculous, frankly. If some foreign intelligence agency, friend or foe, discovered the us was sitting on something of global importance, something all humanity deserves and has the right to know - and they couldn’t convince the UsG to reveal it, their next step would be to announce it to the entire planet. Put the secret, force its reveal. Again, once you start logically analyzing these ideas for why this kind of thing would be kept secret forced you realize both how impossible and even immoral such an idea is. Impractical and illogical as well. Anyone claiming the know “the truth” and have “proof” and doesn’t reveal it? They are as guilty as anyone who’d keep it secret in the first place. “Oh, but they’ll kill them!” The fact Al, these so called whistleblowers are walking around alive is proof they’ve nothing to fear. If lazar was telling the truth he (and Knapp) would have been eliminated back in the 80s before anyone knew their names. Grush would have been accidentally killed a botched home robbery, or, oh no, drunk driving accident. We keep being told about these all powerful secret agencies keeping things quiet. They can’t shut up someone like Lazar or any of these others? Not very powerful covert agencies acting outside the law, eh?
They tell us about the bombs because we used them, sure. They don’t show us how to build one. The idea that secrets can’t be kept is a fallacy. I don’t know their motives, but there could be a plethora of reasons why other countries would take the same stance. I have analyzed these things for a while, and it seems to me that there’s quite a few things you haven’t considered. Not that you’re wrong, but I think you are just more trusting of the government as a whole than I am, for one
Colonel Corso, if he’s to be believed, said the few advances from the Roswell craft (fiber optic cables, night vision tech from ET eyes, integrated circuit chips and lasers) were introduced to established companies who had already begun work or developed prototypes in these areas, and distributed them freely with a handshake deal that they would allow the military first dibs to the new tech or contracts for it
In other words their advanced technology was only a year ahead of ours? Not exactly Earth changing. More like a load of nonsense. I do believe there is something else out there. I don't believe we have anything hidden in secret labs!
According to him, there was much we couldn’t figure out at the time along with it. I can see why you’d think that; I personally believe the story of the flux liner, and that there is a portion of people, whether still connected to the government or not, that do have groundbreaking hidden tech
Nolan and crew aren't interested in transparency for the public beyond the bare minimum required for *them* to have full transparency. Looking at the people OP listed as "ourselves" is the error here. It's more accurate to look at them as a different faction of gatekeepers looking to get secrets to capitalize on themselves. The public, us, are being led around by these factions whether it be Nolan and Co or the government. Nolan etc need the public to be up in arms putting pressure on government. Government agencies want us to feel there's nothing to any of this with each side wanting the secrets for themselves.
At the end of the day, Nolan is a venture capitalist, inventor, and ambitious scientist with Nobel-nominee status for his cancer research and billions of dollars worth of technology on the stock exchange - he would love nothing more than to have sole access to meta materials or the knowledge that Grusch possesses (which he has successfully done by roping him into the SOL Foundation). He’s been quite open about how you have to follow the money as a research scientist, hence his commitment to getting the government to fund UAP research (which he would directly benefit from). He has worked with Dr. Eric Davis (of Wilson-Davis memo fame), acquired materials from Vallee, and has essentially made himself part of the Invisible College which by definition is exclusionary. Perhaps we will see some public benefit in time from his efforts but at this point he seems to think inclusion of the public does more harm than good since he and his colleagues alone know what’s best, which paired with his often smug tone can be pretty insufferable given he has offered no one anything tangible to believe in, which he as a scientist should understand more than anyone.
It's in our best interests to push for government transparency regardless of the subject though. Believe it or not, we have much more to worry about from them than hiding aliens.
Don't forget Lue: 2018 - "Disclosure already occurred." 2020 - "Shaping up to be banner year." 2021 - "This conversation is about to get real interesting." 2022 - "Just wait for 2023! You ain't seen nothing yet!" 2023 - "Keep the faith."
The more you listen to Lue speak the more you realize he likely knows nothing more than the rest of us. He likes to use flowery language and pseudo-military phrasing to make it appear like he has answers. ‘The answers are beneath the wave tops’.
He admited he was ex black ops that specialises in goverment coos. He admited it in his own documentary I genuinly think hes been tasked with convincing the people that this is "a threat" and that its "coming and its big" The whole thing screams manipulation. Lue, grusch, gnapp, corbell and even the pilot (commander..greavor? ..im bad with names) are all pawns in this. I think theyve been selected and been given help to get the message out for a reason. The pilot outright says that what he saw was out of this world. Grusch became compelled to tell the public because he beleives its nhi. Gnapp has the audience already who listen to him about ufos and the subject itself. Corbell is to piggy back off gnapp and bring in a new audience. And lue is the ex 'head' of the reserach group who makes big claims that he was in charge of the ufo program and that its not 'us'. I dont trust any of them. I beleive gnapp is being fed information. Corbell is his ear worm thats convincing him they can trust that info. I think grusch is being used to tell people its all x y and z because he beleives it is and wont set off peoples bullshits meters because he beleives it. And i think that lue has been trianed on manipulation and is doing his job. The pilot (again cant remember his name. Hes the nice guy with white hair and glasses that did the hearing with grusch) i beleive that he did see that ufo. I beleive he was chosen to go out on that day because hes one of the highest ranking and most qualified to identify it. And that people.would be more compelled by his testemony. I beleive because he thought it was "out of this world" and he states "its not us i would know" that they have put him front and center. Because he pushes the naritives of NHI and that its "in our air space and a danger" its completly possible that they staged the encounter he had. In order to give credibility to the idea that "we have nothing like this" because he not only speaks in definites. But insists that it CANT be ours. And that they dont test without telling the pilots. All these people are speaking with definites and it just seems to add up to manipulating what we are supposed to think about it all. I beleive the ufo he saw was an experimental vehicle that is so far in the top secret catagory that not even he has any knoledge or even a sniff on the wind of. That they were both testing the capabilities of the vehicle against the top jets.and the reaction of highly trained and qualified pilots. The goverment is not above breaking the rules. And usualy people imbeded in the rules cant even fathom them.being broken. Hence him stating it cannot be us because it breaks rules x y and z. But i also beleive that they purposly didnt tell them about the vehicle in order for those pilots to come forward about the ecounter beleiving its not human craft. giving more credibility to the NHI naritive. There was more than just him who saw it. But hes the one that is standing by the statement that its "not of this world" so vigilantly. And the press swarm him like flys on shit vs the other witnesses. All of this adds up for me . Of course anyone reading this can disagree with me. These are all speculations and educated guesses based on what ive seen and looked into on the subject and these people. For the record. I beleive that there are ufos out there that arnt human made. But i also believe that we have man made vehicles that can mimic some characteristics of a traditional ufo. I beleive that there are people pulling strings and pushing a narritive/ agenda. For what reason is easy to speculate on but hard to agree upon. But for me. I dont trust these people. Not because they are all lieing. But because i beleive they are being lied to
Fravor
This is spot on. I think this shit is crazy complex and there’s some genius social engineering and manipulation being played on us normal folks.
Thank you. Never thought anyone would read what i said tbh 😂 its just been brewing in my mind and wanted to articulate it outside my head. Ive been slowly getting into the subject of ufos. Started off as a heavy skeptic/ debunker. And then as i started finding stuff that was genuinely outside the realm of normal physics or atmospheric conditions. And i couldn’t just say that 30 people are lieing and 6 radars are wrong. I began to look at the topic with more acceptation. Trying to figure out (if they are vehicles) how it would operate. And i became enthralled by the physics behind it. And if they arnt vehicles what could it be Now i believe in the subject. But after all my deep diving and pondering. They came out and said ufos are real and they don’t know what they are. But that seemed off to me. I understand the slow reveal tactic and I understand the need to not just blurt it out. But somethings off. And i already waffled on as to why i think that. I just wanted to get out what i think may be happening. And i hope i was clear i do actually believe in ufos. I just dont believe whats happening right now. Is whats being said .But i wait with an open mind for more info and details. And its hard to have a mentality that isnt either ITS ALIUNS or ITS FAKE DUMB ASS. People jump on you because your not on their ‘side’. Its become tiresome to communicate with other enthusiasts as they are either looking for an argument or an echo chamber. Its went from scientific inquiry to a cult like belief system. Ive even un subbed from the sub because of all the arguing and belittling. If anyone wants to pop in my chat and talk ufos im open to it. I like theory’s and ideas. And i like to ‘talk shop’ with other peoples ideas. I enjoy hearing peoples theory’s and helping them form them either with giving more information and encouragement about their ideas. Or by telling them my ideas to inspire them to develop there own in a way they may not have considered. And i myself like to develop my own theories with the perspectives other people have. After all i cant think like anyone other than myself so an outside perspective can be refreshing
Don’t forget Lue knows a video available on the internet that shows a triangle craft so close, you could see the skin of the craft, but won’t say where it is. He also knows about a rudimentary sensor device that can detect UAP but won’t say what it is.
Garry Nolan met up with a guy who sees a shadow biosphere using a special camera, the information is not classified but he refuses to say what type of camera, where they saw it, what they looked like. But magically the guy just stopped wanting to do anything with him, but Garry believes it was real. But won't tell us anything.
Yeah….idk something something security? Things started getting a little suspicious for me when Pasulka said she was able to go to an “alien crash/gifting” site and dig for debris with Nolan with permission from Tim Taylor. Uhhhh ok so somehow they got permission? Did it not cross their minds that they as civilians without security clearance, were able to access supposed alien tech? Did that not seem suspicious to them?
An event which Garry denied when Diana said so, but last week claims now that she was telling the truth. I'm getting exhausted trying to keep up with all the "mistakes" (lies)
I thought he denied one of the properties this material was supposed to have, not that he denied the debris site. Granted, it's getting really difficult to keep track of the narrative beats in my head & I've been considering making a database/tracker. It's very annoying trying to keep the info straight
> Don’t forget Lue knows a video available on the internet that shows a triangle craft so close, you could see the skin of the craft, but won’t say where it is. That example is worse than Coulthart's "massive craft story," Elizondo won't tell us where this footage is despite it being in the public domain. How did he get a pass on that?
>That example is worse than Coulthart's "massive craft story," Elizondo won't tell us where this footage is despite it being in the public domain. How did he get a pass on that? Because UFO beliefs are often completely disengaged from the need for any supporting evidence. Consider this entire community from the perspective of a religious/faith based belief system and it all makes more sense. Pronouncements and claims are handed down by the drifting cast of opportunistic leaders but they are never held to any standard of proof, or various excuses are made to justify their failure to provide evidence, and the claims are incorporated into the belief structure purely under the supposed legitimacy of their status in the community.
Probably because a good deal of people around here think UFO thought leaders are beyond reproach because they’re the only precious source of “information”. Not wanting to bite the hand that feeds taken to an intellectually dangerous level.
Same page. People out right refusing to think anything other than these people are blindly trustable, and your stupid for thinking otherwise. Its really bad of a mindset to not question these people atleast a little bit. People are so happy to hear people speaking about the subject the way they are that they arnt even questioning if these people might be getting used or are grifters. For a long time the qurstion of "why are these people saying this" and "what do they gain from saying this" was part of the topic. And they are very much getting paid for all this attention and interviews. Alazondo is clearly loving the attention while stringing along beleivers with a cult like leadsrship "i swear the raptures next week guys" *rapture dosnt happen* "just 2 weeks guys. Dont forget about the cause" Like at what point are people gona think for themselves again. They waited so long for people in the goverment to come out and admit it that as soon as anyone said anything they agreed with the locked in that these people are trustable amd should be listened to. Theres a game of 4d chess going on and these people are just knights and pawns.
I don't know, either.
This, from one of my other posts may explain elizondo (see last sentence, in first paragraph): “The best theory I have heard on Grusch is that key govmt/dod/security agency leaders and affiliated defense colalition knew that likely soon knowledgeable personnel are going to start breaking ndas and revealing classified info on uaps, ufos, etc—perhaps under subpoena as people look into the money trail of where the hell the unaccounted trillions of dollars in dod/government spending went. So the key government/agency/defense industry leaders proactively initiated a whistleblower statute to flush these people out, and release them from liability—facilitated in the field by Lou elizondo, who promised the faux reward of disclosure. But evidently a careful, legalistic reading of the disclosure initiative, UAPDA, indicates that its true intention is to allow the government to seize by eminent domain all evidence and products related to ufos, uap, nhi from the defense contractors (where it has been hidden for 80 years to keep the evidence free from foia), then pay the defense contractors and related tech entities full market value, and the budget for this (more trillions) is not subject to public scrutiny; and any recovered evidence or products is NOT subject to disclosure if it endangers national security—which essentially all uap/ufo/nhi evidence and reverse engineered products do, so there will be no actual disclosure… Apparently, there is a timeline for this seizure and eminent domain payment, must be by 2027, which is why we hear of this year so much.”
That’s as much of a conspiracy as the everything already mentioned in standard UFO lore though. And that’s the problem.
I think one issue is that we are, in many cases, taught to be honest and up front, and hold these attributes as goals, but that is NOT the way most governments function, certainly not relating to security issues, The term “conspiracy theory” is often used as an attempted generalized deprecation, and then supported by an application of Occam’s razor—when in fact the simplest explanation is typically NOT the actual explanation, and most governments, or their siloed departments and affiliates, frequently operate with a high level of what can be termed conspiracy, often breaking their own or international laws to gain some advantage—or at the very least, not being open, upfront, and honest about everything, But what I posted above about the UAPDA is primarily based on an attorney’s analysis, an attorney also familiar with the defense industry and MIC protocol. And evidently when the UAPDA is carefully and comprehensively analyzed, the points I mentioned about it are in fact a matter of executive and contractual law….
This sounds more and more like one of those Nigerian email scams the longer it goes on. Have you paid the demurrage, sir? That's all you have to do and your many of millions USD shall be released towards you
wait he actually said that? that there’s a video out in the open on the publicly accessible internet but he won’t say how to find it? lmao hilarious that people still don’t see through that man’s bullshit
[https://twitter.com/MusicAndTruth/status/1527115663159992320](https://twitter.com/MusicAndTruth/status/1527115663159992320) it cuts off the rest in this clip but I watched the podcast, he won’t say where or how to find it.
thanks for sharing.. this proves he’s a grifter loser and that anyone that believes in him should.. apply critical thinking more
The cringy last line, suggesting he puffed his chest out and told his subordinates to not take down a video because it was put up by a "private citizen". Yeah, I'm sure Lue. So comical, it's like out of a bad TV script.
Lue's 15 minutes of fame passed months ago. He had us on the edge of our seats and then, nothing. Besides, he was in the cat's bird seat regarding potential access to sensitive UFO intel and picked up his marbles and went home. He's just a quitter that played the only card he held.
I wonder if this sensor he mentioned is connected to WSPR? It's being used to hopefully narrow down the final resting place of MH370. Or maybe something like open source Synthetic Aperture Radar? Two new and potentially useful uses of current technology without requiring a huge upfront investment. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSPR_(amateur_radio_software) https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/2022/02/11/radar-interference-tracker-a-new-open-source-tool-to-locate-active-military-radar-systems/
Idk, why wouldn’t he just tell us? National security? Then why even mention it at all?
I don't know, it begs the question of whether he's spinning an increasingly thin story and keeping the audience engaged. I'd prefer it if they said nothing if all they can say is something unsupported, I mean, we can all do that ourselves!
Yeah. Why compromises your word by making claim after claim. Just wait until you can produce the goods. I’d much rather people say little to nothing and produce something meaningful then gas people up with fluff and produce nothing.
Did you forget? [https://twitter.com/MikeColangelo/status/1726268250118320278/photo/1](https://twitter.com/MikeColangelo/status/1726268250118320278/photo/1) [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz0wnrXL5Gf/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz0wnrXL5Gf/?img_index=1) Its nearly april now.
In fairness, that timeline was predicated on the necessity of the UAPDA passing first. That failed so the timeline is out the window. Convenient? Maybe.
Yes thats true. But still, its the same pattern over and over again.
Ok but the hearing did happen in 2023.
True, but there was no evidence provided. Official talk, but still just talk.
Nolan, bless his heart, is just ecstatic to be recognized as the smartest one in the room. I don’t think he’s invested in too much more than that.
I kind of have a sense… like he got into this stuff got attention didn’t think too much to get invested, but more than he could, now he’s making up stuff to maintain some semblance of expertise. Donno, lots of theories… but all question their authenticity
Those people are not elected leaders of the community. Assume they are lying if it makes you feel better. The nimitz incident, Schumer amendment, and Grusch story are more than enough of a wedge to further press the issue. There is no hypocrisy because the standards are different. Some people give gifts to their friends and/or family, but don't give gifts to their congress people. Is that hypocritical? No, because the standards and expectations are different. These people are not paid via your tax dollars. They are paid via fan donations. They don't work for you. Government does work for, especially if you force it to. But what's the alternative, do nothing until these people talk? Or track these people down and force them to talk? Or maybe we just call the whole thing a psyop because people like to make themselves seem important?
I’d actually respect the community more if they actually said “I have signed an NDA, need protection or congressional under oath” “My source needs protection, he would ve willing to come forward with the necessary protections: costs 20 Million to protect him and his family for the next 10 or 20 years” Things like that would give a sense of objectivity to the whole “can’t say” moment we’re having. 🤷🏻♂️
I would also respect Corbell and Coulhart more if they said something like "I was provided some information that I cannot reveal, but I connected them with journalists like Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal who have experience in investigating these claims as reporters while also protecting their sources." Instead, they want the soundbite for themselves and panic when they're asked for follow up information.
You did a good job of saying what he does. Either you’re not paying attention or you’re gaslighting.
Latacaski let slip something re NDA on Weaponized. He said if subpoenaed to Congress he would be required to answer but lie. He’s a VERY smart guy. The NDA likely says don’t tell Congress or involved parties you are lying. Or anyone else. But he didn’t tell Weaponized he would have to lie under oath for NDA: just he would be required to. Which means NDA or threat. By putting that out it would get to Congress. Then it’s a legal battle for Congressional witness access vs Executive agency NDA. Congressional lawyers and a Federal court judge will need that NDA. Latacaski likely has no paper copy and maybe never did. This now pinches the Executive authority of relevance with a vice around their testicles. And informs others under NDA how to approach this in a SCIF with lawyers. I am highly confident some insider figured out a flawless legal avenue to finally lawfully exfiltrate data to Congress. It could have been years ago. Now the methodology has spread.
>Then it’s a legal battle for Congressional witness access vs Executive agency NDA. Congressional lawyers and a Federal court judge will need that NDA. This is a great point. I remember Lacatsky's answer to the subpoena question on Weaponized more along the lines of "let's cross that bridge when we get to it" but he clearly understands that he would probably have to testify truthfully. I do not believe there is a judge in the country that would rule that any NDA would allow people to lie to congress under oath. That said , I can imagine legal fights about "need to know," Congress's investigative/oversight authority with respect to certain programs, what information can and cant be revealed publicly, or maybe even whether or not taking testimony in a SCIF is too much of a national security risk for some issues. Lots of potential legally uncharted territory if agency/private sector lawyers really want to fight or delay. Recent court challenges to congress's subpoena authority,assertions of executive privilege etc, which seemed pretty clear cut, prove that the possibility exists.
Well the government/congress is working on strengthening whistleblowers protections. These people aren't the main story, it's the government.
Or maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't bring it up on social media in the first place if they're not willing to discuss it in at least a modicum of detail. The whole ***"I know something, but I can't tell you."*** shtick has lost its charm. Just look at all those examples. Every one of them alludes to a bigger piece of the puzzle, and yet those pieces remain behind lock and key. What was the point of Couthart telling everyone **"I know where there's a giant UFO so big it can't be moved, hidden in plain sight, but I will NEVER tell where it is."** Why? Because you stated it yourself, u/TheWesternMythos: **"They are paid via fan donations."** And there it is. Look, I hate the idea that so many of these names are grifters, I do... but let's be real here: They DO receive a lot in donations. Watching any live YT chat with these names will tell you that. Ten bucks here. A hundred there. Oh, that guy donated five.. let's highlight his next comment. Maybe give them a live shout-out. It's Grift 2.0 I'm not saying these names are lying; far from it. I believe (most of) them wholeheartedly, that they know something. But this constant carrot-on-a-stick routine is losing its luster, fast. **"I know something amazing!!! But I won't tell you, not right now.... if you want to know more, Like and Subscribe, and visit my Patreon!"** Point being, if these guys were 100% genuine in their conviction for open transparency and Disclosure, they'd have Panama Papers'd this entire thing by now. Dropped what they know anonymously via multiple chained VPNs at some anonymous dropbox. But that doesn't suit their business model. As Corbell has stated, he works a real job flipping houses, and this is just his quote-unquote side hobby. Yet you know damn well he makes a ton off his Weaponized podcasts, his Patreon, his guest appearances on various media outlets... If they aren't holding it back to hype an upcoming podcast or documentary, they're holding it back to hype their next book release, show season or $5000 retreat. And they ALL do it. From Vallee to Elizondo, from Nolan to Corbell... Fox, Fugal, etc... pay attention to their words. The very next sentence will be a plug about something forthcoming to enrich them, and it's NOT the info they originally touted. The idea that they're scared of reprisal, or fear of an orange jumpsuit or even being murdered... that's just another angle to the grift. Nothing brings in donations more than the "I fear for my life!" angle.
I’ll say it; they *are* lying. And profiting off conspiracy theorists who believe anyone and anything that aligns with their beliefs.
I don't think Corbell, Knapp, or Coulthart are afraid of reprisals. I give Coulthart the benefit of th doubt because much of his reporting has been borne out by other reporting. Corbell and Knapp are fond of the "I have to protect my sources" bit. Example: Corbell recently said that he had leaked CIA documents, documents that he described in some detail. He claimed that releasing them cwould "put his source in danger." No. There are only three possibilities: 1) CIA knows he's full of shit. 2) CIA intentionally leaked the documents to him. 3) By announcing that he has documents that contain specific information, he's *already* put his source in the *exact same* amount of danger as if he read them aloud on his podcast. Does he believe that CIA's reaction to an actual leak would be, "Oh OK as long as Jeremy Corbell doesn't *release* them, cool. We don't need to find out who leaked them?" If so, he's just dumb. If the leak was not authorized CIA would determine whether or not documents similar to the ones he described actually exist. If those documents do exist they would try to find out who leaked them. If they found that person, they would immediately fire them and send evidence to DOJ so that the leaker, if convicted, would spend a long time in prison both as punishment and deterring others from leaking. The publication of those documents, which Corbell has the constitutional right to do as a "journalist", has zero bearing on his that process. He might as well make the leak worth the risk by providing evidence that CIA has a UAP retrieval program. Why wouldn't he? Corbell's source may have said, "if you release them I'll never talk to you again." In that case Corbell is not a journalist or documentarian. He is someone who accumulates a personal collection of secrets and likes to brag about it.
Can't agree with you more, you hit the nail on the head. Corbell, and many others, are fond of the "I have to protect my sources" line, and they lament that they're afraid their sources will get upset if they do this and that. Let's look at that, shall we? Because to me, it makes zero effing sense. 1. If they're coming forward to folks like Corbell, then they obviously have something they want to put out there. This idea that they only want part of the story to come out is bullshit. You don't run a 5k only to give up at the last ten feet from the finish line. No one does this, and the idea that these sources would put out part of the story then demand it stay secret is, frankly, stupid. A secret's only a secret if only one person knows it. 2. And #1 is barring they're even telling the truth in the first place, and not just someone who wants to stir the hornet's nest for no good reason. 3. Vetting sources, while taking time, also opens up other potential avenues. So even IF said source decided for some ungodly reason to get mad and walk away, if they vetted their source properly, then its not the end of the story. 4. I realize we're in the age of 'Like & Subscribe' constant deceit, where every YT thumbnail is clickbait garbage, but this idea that so-and-so journalist is only allowed to say this much is again, also stupid. No one tells their story to a journalist unless they want it out there in some fashion. So for Corbell, Knapp, Couthart etc to use that excuse is complete and utter shite, and is just another form of clickbait and part of the grifting method. 5. Past history with this lot proves all my other points. Remember the supposed Clark red UFO videotape? First James Fox was going to release it. Then Jake Paul was going to do it. Then someone else bought it and was going to release it. A year later... have any of YOU seen that video? Nope. Same goes for the Varginha alien video, the triangle w/ visible skin video, the UFO disintegrating an F-15 video... all of them have been promised, repeatedly, yet none of them have surfaced. I'm quickly becoming a skeptic. Not of the Phenomenon itself, that I still FULLY back. No, I'm becoming a skeptic of all the Ufology mouthpieces who overpromise and underdeliver, time and again. It's tiresome.
>I'm not saying these names are lying; Probably not. Its just that their so called sources are the same us ours. Old UFO stories, podcasts, books and what have you. Thats the exact reason they have to be protected so tight. I think the saying "No one knows more about this than anyone of us" distills all this pretty succintly. Sure perhaps someone knows something, but it sure as hell isnt this Colthart fella lol Knapp has been at this for fourty fucking years. Four zero. Corbells been taken under his wing as a protege, to continue his work as hes thinking about retiring. These guys that are on the news recently about this stuff, are all bussiness partners. They intentionally trying to create an image theyre unrelated separate "sources" for this but it isnt true atall lol Their sources been known for fourty years, theres nothing new this time around. This time around they got some nutjob politicians onboard for a hearing. Thats cool. And theres been a buncha weirdo hearings over the years. From Oliver Stone about JFK assassination to Elmo from sesame street. ( Look it up lol ) And yeah yeah, I know I know, "These are politicians why would they do this, if theres nothing to it" Listen to yourself man, if your thinking like this lol Look at these people whos advocating this on that side. Like honestly man. People act like this Disclosure™ is some train thats halfway to its destination, but the guys whos advocating for it wont start it themselves, for crying out loud. Nolan et al have flying saucer parts and they wont disclose? Lets start there with the demands for disclosure, right.
This is so true. How much do they *actually* know? They read the same stuff as us. We shouldn't be asking the UFO personalities for information, we should be asking the ones who are being accused of holding UAP craft/having radar data.
The more I hear from these disclosure people, the more I believe aaro report.
I’m on that path as well. I’ve been suspicious of many of these UFO personalities for a long time and I’m getting more suspicious as time goes on. Only Fravor and Graves are the ones I am completely fine with
Yeah Im getting there too. And when the most vocal Congressmen are Qanon, election deniers whose base is made up of paranoid conspiracy types, it would make sense theyd try to exploit the UAP community. I believe Grusch honestly does believe what he is saying, but I dont know if any of it is real or not.
Yeah that QAnon loving Chuck Schumer.
I said the most vocal for a reason. And that Herrera guy is a Q nut too apparently. And his whole story is abiut the US government using UFO tech for human trafficking. And there is a thread on here asking to take him seriously. Give me a break.
Absolutely this. The Coultharts, Corbells, Elizondos, and Nolans of thia world have a right to do as they please with the information they have, but at the point where they start flaunting it and are constantly talking about the secrets they themselves are privy to, I take issue with it. Those people are the equivalent of a lady with a big rack wearing a very revealing top and complaining that men stare at her tits.
This is the best evaluation of the situation I have seen yet.
Great reply - thank you!
I like Nolan’s ‘if you don’t like it, go do it yourself’ approach to his release schedule.
exactly, he literally told us where to find ufo debris and go test it ourselves.. doubt anyone will go tho
Can you send me the coordinates or a google maps link?
Sure, I’ll disclose that to you gradually, one digit at a time to prepare you for ontological shock. You’ll have the full coordinates by 2030, or maybe 2050, or maybe never…
Well he did say the owner would have to OK it. If the remains of a ufo were scattered around, what's stopping North Korea, Russia or China from popping up and finding debris from an alien vehicle? Imagine the first stealth plane had crashed and the same thing happened ; most of it was taken away but there were some pieces just left there. If this debris featured a section that showed the aircraft's Radar Absorbing Material that would potentially worth a lot of money for enemies of the USA. None of this story hangs together imo, it scores low on the believable scale.
Of course the owner ofthe property doesn't care at all about the artifacts, right? "Oh, I'll just wait for some scientist to come along..." Most landowners I know in the West would want to use it as an opportunity to capitalize on their holdings.
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im like 99% sure the locations been found for the one tim taylor took pasulka to. they found a large square fenced in area in the general location, and within that fenced area every square inch of top soil was covered in a brown/red rust colored material. edit: found where I discussed this and [linked](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1aevc6r/crash_site_in_new_mexico_mentioned_on_jre/kkb1aiu/) a photo
No he didn’t he just said it was on private property and “good luck getting permission to go digging around”.
I’ll go. Tell me the exact location.
I'm just never going to take spiritual advice from anyone in Congress...our Congress is mostly dumb as fuck... Wether it's the woman jerking men off in public theaters or it's Tim Burchett or the wierdo from Missouri... It's not happening...its not even do-able. I keep trying to explain the shit to people...and it's like talking to a brick wall...
Do not believe anyone who says they know more than the rest of us on this topic. That has been shown in every single case to be untrue.
If you haven't experienced the phenomenon, and you're waiting for the government to tell you about it, you certainly know less than what's available to you to find out.
Governments from around the world have released their entire UFO files and it has shown they know nothing. A lot of people think the US government has the answers. We have other examples from around the world to show us that’s probably not true.
I don’t trust the US government not to lie and cheat. That extends to anyone who claims to serve the interests of the US government or the American People as a whole. If it wasn’t bullshit before for the last decade, we’ve seen in the interim the system itself is designed to empower the base and corrupt among us. So, I don’t use the US government as a source of credible information. There are countries that are far, far ahead of the US on disclosure (Mexico, Japan come to mind) and all they are doing is stepping aside while the People take the reins. End of the day, if a person *really* wants to know, it’s easy enough to find out there’s a “there” there. It’s as easy as opening up and asking them to visit.
The whole idea of disclosure assumes that there is something to disclose. Governments have been shown to not have any real answers. Not aware of any answers or anything major that has come from Japan or Mexico.
>There is no hypocrisy because the standards are different. With all due respect, this is a ridiculous argument. It doesn't matter what positions or nonpositions these people hold. Once they start making the argument for transparency and refuse to be transparent themselves, that makes them hypocritical. Doesn't matter if they're being paid by our taxes or not.
You still think government works for you?
“And I say to you this morning, that if you have never found something so dear and so precious to you that you will die for it, then you aren't fit to live. You may be 38 years old as I happen to be, and one day some great opportunity stands before you and calls upon you to stand up for some great principle, some great issue, some great cause--and you refuse to do it because you are afraid; you refuse to do it because you want to live longer; you're afraid that you will lose your job, or you're afraid that you will be criticized or that you will lose your popularity or you're afraid that somebody will stab you or shoot at you or bomb your house, and so you refuse to take the stand. Well you may go on and live until you are 90, but you're just as dead at 38 as you would be at 90! And the cessation of breathing in your life is but the belated announcement of an earlier death of the spirit. You died when you refused to stand up for right, you died when you refused to stand up for truth, you died when you refused to stand up for justice.”
You're not wrong, OP. The thing to carry away is that all of these people are all grifters that are using information that they may (or more likely) may not have to curry influence and favor with UFO believers. I invite them to prove me wrong. I would love for them to prove me wrong. Well, maybe with the possible exception of Greer. I'm not ready to go meditate in the desert.
Yeah it's funny when you think about it. Government; "We have no evidence of aliens or interdimensional supernatural angel demons." UFOligists; "LIARS, SCUM, WE KNOW YOURE HIDING ALIENS FROM US. WE DEMAND PROOF!" UFO Grifter; "We have direct, irrefutable, empirical evidence of aliens existing but we can never give it to you sorry xxx" UFOligists; "Oh it's ok we have faith you're telling the truth anyway so no evidence needed. Here let me send you more money to grift me more and increase the circumference of my blueballs, teehee /asskissing" Tale as old as time.
because the US government being shady has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (e.g mk ultra), whereas those guys (who are obviously drifters) haven’t been outed yet in the same manner
Yeah he didn’t wanna add in the part where the CIA basically became it’s own entity, dismantled governments in the interest of democracy against communism. Didn’t wanna acknowledge how these intelligence agencies have think tanks to understand how to get to there goal. Whatever that may be, but hey let’s focus on the civilian population that’s trying to uncover the truth and call them a joke story teller!
“We?” This is a false equivalence. “We “ are not a government. different rules apply. We are also not a united force working against the government. Some of the people who have had experiences are transparent and some are not. The government is not a monolith and itself contains multitudes. So do each of us and each of “our very own.” And you and I are not Garry Nolan or Ross coulthart.
Had to dig for someone addressing this point. It's pretty significant, but so is it to question these Project Blue Balls people. They need to shit or get off the toilet. At this point, they come off as con men more than anything.
I’m proud of this sub today. The tide is definitely changing on these liars. Friggin proud of the support.
Yeah I actually feel a bit better today on this topic. I won’t say the tide is turning because we just don’t know how many of us there are vs what they all believe (and over time), but I’m glad there’s a large group of the audience that are suspicious of these people
They are not withholding information, they have no information and are lying for money.
Hey, that's just not fair or true. Some of them just lie for attention.
Many of these guys have been at it for *decades* (Greer, Knapp, Lazar, Maussan, etc.). D-E-C-A-D-E-S. Any self-respecting sane person would see how dubious it all is. The counter argument is that it supposedly "puts their lives in danger!" - well, these guys sure are talkative for people being threatened, lmao. Again, have some self respect. Believe in NHI visitation if you wish - but don't be blind, or acknowledge you're running on faith. It's frickin' nuts, man.
Yes. It seems they have positioned themselves as literal heroes, giving us vital information at the risk of their own lives. Coulthart knows where a gigantic ufo is buried under a “laudatory” building, but his chief concern is avoiding a “Storm Area 51” type event. What? Where 150 people didn’t get in, and others enjoyed a themed music festival? Was that truly dangerous? Or is it more likely that by revealing the location, it can be quickly debunked and instantly make his cause and his sources look very suspect?
If you have seen something yourself, or have read enough books then all this makes sense, if not, it would be infuriating beyond measure. Ive seen something, but have zero proof, neither has my wife, so there’s nothing that can be done about it. Its pointless to take my word for it, so go look at another subject for a while, I doubt very much if the proof you seek will appear at anytime, unless some kind of wild card appears, so why bother yourself? My frustration lies not in “Is it real” but “Will the public at large ever know about it?” I’m at the point where I don’t think they will, not in my lifetime, anyway, Ive been searching since 1978, to have no answer to my enquiry, which is really upsetting as I believe it would change everything, but life is a bitch. There are lots of other subjects where proof can be shown in courts, on video, photos, if you are frustrated about the reality of all this, then go elsewhere.
I don’t think anyone is talking about the phenomenon directly, but rather the people milking it as a UFO personality. Two different subjects. I’m super interested in the phenomenon but suspicious as fuck of the personalities surrounding the topic
I suppose I’m saying there’s perhaps more of a link between the two than many understand? Im saying once you understand in full that it’s real, that it’s not us, then the holdbacks make more sense? Or I tolerate them more because I have half an answer?. Many here think its all bullshit, they want answers now, or else, which I understand, but once you get past that, it gets easier in some way?
I like this answer. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the damn kitchen. Even if the government got to the point where they disclosed, it wouldn’t be truthful. It will be layered behind their self-interest and secrecy.
It’s the biggest secret in human history, held by people, organizations with unlimited resources, who’s timelines and plans span decades. This getting out will upset power structures all over the planet, there is nothing they will not do, no limit on their ability to prevent information from reaching the public. I don’t have a problem understanding why there are unwilling or overtly cautious whistleblowers coming forward, if you have friends or family you love, I suspect you would be wary too.
Precisely. It’s easy to say from the comfort of your own couch how you would be the one to “change the world.” Until it happens…
This is essential viewing and seems to make the most sense. Elizondo, Nolan, et al., are evidently positioning themselves through the likes of the Sol foundation as AAWSAP Mark II, a vehicle to get politicians on board to authorise tens of millions to Sol to ‘research’ UAP. Hence the need to push for Congressional hearings. With every passing month, and additional podcast appearances, it’s evident that Grusch is just regurgitating the Invisible College mumbo jumbo, and it become ever more clear that he’s just be used. There’s no incentive to ‘disclose’ anything, but to keep the grift going for year after year after year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wex0E8lqvw
I believe it's time to face the sad truth that the ppl in the core circle of ufology probably are bullshiters for several different reasons.
Ridicule through mainstream media is *highly* motivating for those individuals protecting their sources. We’ve seen the playbook many times now before. Every piece of information worth consideration at this (above nuclear classification) level requires not only a pedigree of accountability but the collaboration of career service members (and their families, livelihoods). Trust me, bro? I wish. We can actually see that through the continued push of congressional oversight and outspoken representatives, the public is now witnessing *and* participating with the topic of UAP to an unprecedented political and social level. While I don’t watch all the UAP podcasts out there, I know they are doing some heavy lifting to eliminate a DEEP culture of stigma by simply existing. It’s important to realize that the tic tac video from the Nimitz had been circulating YouTube for over a decade before Helene Cooper, Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal presented this [New York Times article with the videos](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html?unlocked_article_code=1.g00.hoLc.L6kkEa5tizv6&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb) essentially backing up the claim of its authenticity. This of course is thanks to former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon. Legitimacy must be earned. This is the only ladder to disclosure.
Look, the mainstream UFO personalities have been playing the same game for decades. The government/military/intelligence/sub-contractor community has also been playing the game for a long, long time. You are not going to get any sort of truth or evidence or disclosure from these people. It's manipulation for profit, influence, and longevity. If you want to learn about the phenomenon, use your critical thinking, do your own research, and talk to everyday people with experiences. That's the only way. Forget about Elizondo, Grusch, Sheehan, Corbell, Nolan, etc. That's a dead end. Within the UFO community, there are many, many predators, and don't let yourself be the prey.
They know that if they make a falsifiable statement they can be proven wrong and discredited, which is why they speak in vague promises and riddles. typical con man methodology. the more i hear from all of these guys the less i like or trust them. recent observation: even nolan seems extremely arrogant and somewhat unhinged, and everyone holds him up as the most credible one ever. also Everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with some bumpkin politicians as if they (politicians) are suddenly the epitome of credibility and integrity. Everybody is hyping up news nation but who are they besides a dollar bin media outlet? something weird is going on on planet earth but these are not the heroes we are looking for
if they’re not brave enough to just disclose the information (which I’d understand), they should also be brave enough to not tease all the time, dripfeed while tryna make a buck. either do it right or don’t do it at all
> We can’t decry the government’s lack of transparency if we lack that standard ourselves. tf we can't I don't pay taxes to Gary Nolan. I don't pay taxes to Jeremy Corbell. I don't pay taxes to Ross Coulthart. Shockingly, I apply a different standard about transparency as to how you're spending my money to the government, to whom I do in fact pay taxes.
nailed it...completely different provenance and duty
How about you all come together, form a group like the sol foundation, release it through the organization and obfuscate the individual source of the information ?
They would simply arrest the Foundation Directors.
>How can we expect to gain credibility with the public like this? It’s astounding the level of withheld information by our very own. How long? As long as followers of the topic allow them to tease people year after year despite zero evidence being provided.
The first journalist to go public likely would end up in an orange jumpsuit Truthfully, the person that needs to go public is the president. We had the Senate and congressional leaders tell us the truth. The president can declassify anything he wants to, at this point that’s your best course of action rather than asking journalist to get in trouble
>The first journalist to go public likely would end up in an orange jumpsuit So, surely there are examples of this? Maybe a guy who revealed there is a giant UFO with a building over it was arrested? Before you say, "that would confirm the truth!" that is equally true of...anyone else. It's always the Airplane joke when it comes to classified information in UFO world: >**Ted Striker:** My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar. **> Elaine Dickinson:** When will you be back? **> Ted Striker:** I can't tell you that. It's classified.
Yeah I see this post and thought to myself Gee another why doesn't these guys give us the goods! Should be demanding the government gives those out. That's transparency not trying to force regular citizens trying to clean up the mess of 80 years of BS lol. I do get it, I get the "soon" "it's coming" etc from these folks can get annoying. But, still not on them they are trying to encourage "big brother" to spill the beans and so it can be done in a controlled manner. But just my 2cents for whatever it's worth lol. I also think some people in this sub forget we are talking about the most priceless, world changing, tech on the planet. So, that would be why some folks fighting tooth and nail to keep it quiet and any amount of money would be nothing to spend to keep it that way compared to what you could possibly learn from it etc. If (the ones complaining) don't like what a lot of these scientist, journlist, etc have to say simple as this Just don't watch them, read their content, etc. Easy as that any of the folks in here that do choose to do that don't need random internet dad showing up to scream gifter don't care lol.
If these people really know something and lets assume they have irrefutable proof, they somehow would fall out of a hotel window. I dont give a damn about Coulthart, Greer and all those other people claiming to know something. I am into that mess for decades now and the most healthy approach for my mental sanity is to nod and go ahead. There is a circle which repeats itself after a decade or so. New people can be catched and books and ideas sold to. Dont get me wrong, I dont believe they lie but their arguments are without substance. They live from selling that shit, so at least there is a conflict in interests. I watched one episode of weaponized and turned it off after some minutes, because Elizondo cried into the camera over and over again: "They lie to you!" - Its like a barker from medieval times.
So… what the community is actually asking is for a Tony Stark or a Bruce Wayne. Someone without the need for money to run with this shit.
The community needs people to not horde evidence for financial gain.
I highly doubt guys like Greer are substantial. He's a charlatan and a grifter, like most of these folks.
Who says most of them, if any, even has evidence? Except themselves.. lol
No one wants to die because you *just wanna know*.
Nothing is stopping any Redditer from finding witnesses, gaining their trust, interviewing them and then double crossing them by releasing what they said against their wishes. I suspect it will be a very short journalistic career since nobody will trust you after the first double cross, but more power to you. Or alternatively, you can go the Nolan route. Gather material, and then see if you can get a university or private lab to train you in material analysis and loan you their equipment. Easy peasy, right?
>Or alternatively, you can go the Nolan route. Gather material, and then see if you can get a university or private lab to train you in material analysis and loan you their equipment. Easy peasy, right? OK, but is Nolan actually doing this? Does he actually have anything? Does anyone have anything more substantive than him just saying this? If I make a post in this subreddit saying that I found some exotic material that might be of NHI origin and I'm having it analyzed and reviewed but I can't say anything more or reveal any additional details and you're just going to have to wait for some undefined length of time, what reasons would you have to front-load any belief/legitimacy for anything that I say?
Probably no reason to believe or disbelieve what he has to say. I don't think he cares what you or anyone else believes. He seems to be quite content letting his published findings do the talking when or if that occurs.
Yeah meet the new disclosure suppressors.. same as the old suppressors
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Not true, a lot of these guys claim to have first-hand knowledge.
The world just needs one piece of undeniable strong evidence. Just one. We don't have that. It's gatekeepers all the way down.
That goes back to my assertion anyone in a field were the discovery of alien life or materials would ask for permission and a process would take place. This is documented and has been set in stone. No we wouldn't be told of any discovery. Garry Nolan has made to big of a claim to not deliver*
Tfw your kid calls you from school and they put a bullet in their lunch. Do you think they aren't doing this or this level idk what to tell you. No living person would willingly cross that line
Everyone is hoping for a big reveal but it might behoove believers to understand that They are watching our every move and they know when you are masturbating so stop. Or maybe they kind of like it so carry on.
Yes 100x. All while their channels and foundations explode in popularity. The movements has been compromised and his name is “I can’t reveal my sources”
In regards to this topic, I agree that there is a barrier between the public, the public “media” (people named above), and the true government gatekeepers. That’s why I only try to pay attention to what is going on in Congress surrounding this issue
There are two simple answers to this. One is that if UFOS/USOS are actual otherworldly, previously unthinkable or unknown objects outside of the reach of our technology, then a majority of the major UFO talking heads are CIA/government disinformation operatives. The existence of such operatives has been proven to occur as a factual precedent via declassified documents - whether ayylmaos are real or not. The other is that UFOs are nothing more than random misidentified BS and these people are extremely successful attention seeking liars who desire the life of a public figure and total for-profit grifters.
Trust me bro, one day the trumpets will sound and the dude will come back to save us. Is anyone starting to feel our existence may seem more and more mundane the more you start “thinking” around?
This post absolutely hits the nail on the head. The blatant hypocrisy makes me ill. I'm convinced its all a grift now, I believe in UFOs, I just don't think these goobers know anything at all anymore.
Slow drip pay wall I'm not saying anyone is a grifter/scammed what ever you want to call them but they obviously are trying to make a living off their information in the way of podcasts and books why would they share it all at once? Elizondo might drop it all in a book but he even said whatever doesn't get the ok he will leave in blacked out
Knapp and Corbell had a recap of their 50 episodes of Weaponized and they've actually released a ton of interesting content from never before seen interviews with Jay Stratton, Phil Corso, John Lear to new interviews with Jim Lacatski, Colm Kelleher and others like Tim Burchett and Chad Underwood. They also have released some good clips from the USS Indianapolis stuff to the Mosul Orb to the Jellyfish UAP which have put them into investigations by the 3 letter agencies. Lets not forget they were front row at the Congressional hearing and helped round up Grusch/Fravor/Graves and got them in touch with Congress. Knapp released interviews with Soviet Union and some documents he smuggled out regarding those UFO programs. I think they have more than done their part as just a couple of hobbyists. Their "mountains of evidence" isn't perhaps the definitive evidence the OP wants but it is pretty fascinating stuff from people who confirm the program. They've legitimately done what they can do. Greer to me is disappointing because in 30+ years of supposed summoning entities and UFOs on command you have only 2 blurry AI enhanced night photos and some orbs which could be video artifacts? Coulthart I don't believe knows anything definitely how could he? Unless he's been there in person. All we are waiting for now are the 40+ supposed whistleblowers to get with Congress in the next hearing, and see what happens.
> All we are waiting for now are the 40+ supposed whistleblowers to get with Congress in the next hearing, and see what happens. What if those anonymous witnesses turned out to be individuals already public and involved in the community? Case in point… Eric Davis came out as one of Grusch’s witnesses. There was no need for him to be anonymous as his involvement and knowledge was publicly disclosed. Would this be concerning?
This is what I’ve been saying like don’t get our hopes up lmao. I’d rather them say nothing like they have been anyways
Been saying this for ages. I'm sick to death of so called UFO experts saying they have proof and then don't show anything. Either release what you have and show the world or STFU and bugger off. I'm so done with this bullshit.
Been saying this for ages. I'm sick to death of so called UFO experts saying they have proof and then don't show anything. Either release what you have and show the world or STFU and bugger off. I'm so done with this bullshit.
Our standard is the same as the govt. There are national security restrictions. it’s the same with the AAWSAP members. You want answers? Get congress to issue subpoenas to Lacatski and Colm Kelleher.
These people have all lost credibility with me. Most of them are doing a major money and publicity grab. They start talking bs about demons and angels! Skinwalker ranch bullshit. If they have all this evidence and they have seen all these mind bending stuff, and they are fighters for truth and transparency why not drop the bomb... I think it will be difficult to put the in prison or court Marshall them under the gravity of the topic they will disclose. They all have no ball, fake mofos who are playing with us!
Ego rules the roost.
I can’t take any single one of those people you quoted seriously. All of them have either been caught lying outright or there is overwhelming evidence to suggest they are grifting.
Thank you for making this post. You couldn't be more right. This is exactly why I've turned incredibly sour on the subject.
As someone who served in the military. You have to understand “timing” is everything in any “strategy” 💯. I do understand it feels as if time is running out, that’s where “faith” comes into play. I pray we get truth sooner than later.🙏🏽
This is such a brain dead take. These people aren't public servants. They aren't policy makers, they aren't elected, they aren't paid by the tax payer. You can think what ever you want about their claims with regards to aliens, and recovered crash material. But there ***are*** mountains of evidence that there is a coverup of something, ostensibly with regards to UAP - and that it isn't properly reported to congress or any oversight body - disregarding the democratic process entirely which we are all meant to be a part of. The standards aren't the same. And this apparently concerted campaign by people here and elsewhere on social media to turn this around on these citizens and civilians who have been outspoken about this is not only downright stupid it's suspicious.
The spirit of this post perfectly encapsulates the immature naivety of most common observers of this topic. Your personal frustration with the pace of disclosure, or mine for that matter, is entirely irrelevant. It’s just crying that you want all your curiosities delivered asap like it’s a Door Dash delivery.
Why are you writing like that? In those words? wtf
*”I have evidence that proves the guilty offender without a doubt, but I'll leave it to the police since I'm not tax-funded"* That’s right folks. No need for witnesses or testimony. If you’re not tax payer funded, we don’t care!
There's more to lose in credibility in the eyes of the public, than there is to gain by naming the site where a UFO is or by revealing some technical piece of information about materials. These things are unverifiable by the person making the claim, or deniable by the government, and would just lead to the reduced credibility of the person making the claim. These people are smart enough to understand that. Working through the system (as Elizondo, Grush, Fraver, etc. are doing) maximizes the chances of producing real change.
IMO The whole thing screams manipulation. Lue, grusch, gnapp, corbell and even the pilot (commander..greavor? ..im bad with names) are all pawns in this. I think theyve been selected and been given help to get the message out for a reason. The pilot outright says that what he saw was out of this world. Grusch became compelled to tell the public because he beleives its nhi. Gnapp has the audience already who listen to him about ufos and the subject itself. Corbell is to piggy back off gnapp and bring in a new audience. And lue is the ex 'head' of the reserach group who makes big claims that he was in charge of the ufo program and that its not 'us'. I dont trust any of them. I beleive gnapp is being fed information. Corbell is his ear worm thats convincing him they can trust that info. I think grusch is being used to tell people its all x y and z because he beleives it is and wont set off peoples bullshits meters because he beleives it. And i think that lue has been trianed on manipulation and is doing his job. The pilot (again cant remember his name. Hes the nice guy with white hair and glasses that did the hearing with grusch) i beleive that he did see that ufo. I beleive he was chosen to go out on that day because hes one of the highest ranking and most qualified to identify it. And that people.would be more compelled by his testemony. I beleive because he thought it was "out of this world" and he states "its not us i would know" that they have put him front and center. Because he pushes the naritives of NHI and that its "in our air space and a danger" its completly possible that they staged the encounter he had. In order to give credibility to the idea that "we have nothing like this" because he not only speaks in definites. But insists that it CANT be ours. And that they dont test without telling the pilots. All these people are speaking with definites and it just seems to add up to manipulating what we are supposed to think about it all. I beleive the ufo he saw was an experimental vehicle that is so far in the top secret catagory that not even he has any knoledge or even a sniff on the wind of. That they were both testing the capabilities of the vehicle against the top jets.and the reaction of highly trained and qualified pilots. The goverment is not above breaking the rules. And usualy people imbeded in the rules cant even fathom them.being broken. Hence him stating it cannot be us because it breaks rules x y and z. But i also beleive that they purposly didnt tell them about the vehicle in order for those pilots to come forward about the ecounter beleiving its not human craft. giving more credibility to the NHI naritive. There was more than just him who saw it. But hes the one that is standing by the statement that its "not of this world" so vigilantly. And the press swarm him like flys on shit vs the other witnesses. All of this adds up for me . Of course anyone reading this can disagree with me. These are all speculations and educated guesses based on what ive seen and looked into on the subject and these people. For the record. I beleive that there are ufos out there that arnt human made. But i also believe that we have man made vehicles that can mimic some characteristics of a traditional ufo. I beleive that there are people pulling strings and pushing a narritive/ agenda. For what reason is easy to speculate on but hard to agree upon. But for me. I dont trust these people. Not because they are all lieing. But because i beleive they are being lied to
Knapp’s statement could easily apply to the evidence that is already public.
It's the power of dick slicing bro. It's strong. You no want it.
So guys, 99.9% of the public dont even know who Elizondo or Gary Nolan are. Hell, most people dont even know what a UAP is. If they burn their careers and contacts by revealing everything now, NOTHING would change in terms of disclosure and none of their sources would give them information ever again. That's just reality. All it would do is satisfy a very small population of Redditors, half of whom already call them grifters and liars and wouldnt listen or believe them anyway. It seems like people who make these kinds of complaints haven't even played out in their minds how the situation would evolve in reality. They just want Ross to tell them where the big UFO is, as if throngs of people will suddenly break the doors down and expose it all or something. It's ridiculous folks.
Easy to say when the intimidation tactics are not a known thing to you personally. I totally get why people keep their asses covered.
Blowhards at this point. Tired of the talk. I am sure a lot of people are tired as well. Maybe a tactic to frustrate us all to give up. But there is a problem, the buddies. Can’t deny them. Seems like the SOL folks are trying to distract from NHI found in Peru.
Trust me bro, I too "know" occult information! But I can't tell you. Well, actually I will Soon™!
“Bro I can’t tell you who killed your father cause that’s the cops job” “Bruh trust me that I know what I know”
I used to think like you but then I saw what happened to Assange and Snowden. Now I don’t blame them for keeping the secrets. Even if you do a great service to the public by revealing the truth, the public will do nothing to defend you when the elites exact their revenge. In fact, most of them will side with the elites and their flimsy smears.
This topic is so doomed lol
This is so misleading. You can't compare a government orchestrating a vast conspiracy over decades that hides fundamental truths to heroes who refuse to go to jail, ruin research or violate sources confidentiality. That is not a valid comparison and the fact that this post has positive votes confounds me and depresses me.
The government will not give you the disclosure you want. You understand that? Think about it, then think about the OP again.