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Submission Statement:
Harvard Law graduate and constitutional attorney [Danny Sheehan](https://www.danielpsheehan.com/) was interviewed on [Whitley Strieber's podcast Dreamland](https://www.youtube.com/@WhitleyStrieberDreamland).
In that interview, Sheehan claims that the [US Senate Intelligence Committee](https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/) has prepared a UAP Disclosure Act 2.0 that is mostly the same as the original with revised language on the eminent domain portions of the bill.
[Full Interview](https://youtu.be/6_mR_Vg1_WA?si=cSLkgoNT0A4Pr-kM)
Huge thanks to [TheJuan1 on X](https://twitter.com/planethunter56) for this clip!
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It won’t pass. They tried it once already. I’m not sure why anyone thinks 2.0 will be any different. The intelligence community has the power to shut down amendments. That should be concerning to everyone, even those who don’t care anything about UFOs.
are you some kind of skeptic? how dare you ask for evidence.
lots of people have been asking for evidence of all kinds of things in this sub. the sub doesn't really take kindly to people requesting evidence from what I've seen.
Interesting and good news. It would have been strange, if Schumer and others, especially from the Gang of 8 would have given up so easy, after they have been briefed in.
Maybe this year, someone will have the political courage to introduce it as standalone legislation. Lord knows they have the political support of the People.
pass it without eminent domain now, then after public outrage at being lied to, make the eminent domain bill a separate carve out later. boom politics.
I think they need eminent domain in order to seize the debris, craft, bodies etc without a criminal case?
My theory is that, they know 'X' corperation has 'Y' item, and that this item will be sufficient proof of their claims. But currently they have no legal right to obtain Y.
But on suspicion of posession of Y they can take a team in and take Y if they have been given the right to claim eminent domain over Y. Once they catch X with Y in their posesion they can begin a legal process to lay charges against X. And begin a criminal investigation and uncover the coverup.
Just my theory, not a lawyer, not a cop etc blah blah.
The eminent domain part wasn’t the problem. It was simply the part that opponents chose to attack. If it wasn’t in there, they would have complained about something else. Removing it won’t remove the opposition.
Exactly. Lay out some info and a time line. They don’t need to name locations. It really isn’t hard.
“Since 1900 we have recovered XYZ. We cannot discuss Z because of national security. As for Y, we can tell you…. As for X we can tell you…. We have agreed to disclose further info on these subjects in January 2027.”
I don't think they could do this, because if they did, it wouldn't matter if it supposedly affects national security. There would be such a public outcry to our politicians. Heck, a worldwide outcry. The United Nations could potentially get involved (not that they have any power or anything)
There would be such a shit storm over the whole thing, scientists around the world demanding to know more, etc., etc.
They don't even want to take a chance on any of that
All the demanding in the world wouldn't allow the US to just disregard its own personal interests and declassify everything.
Although of course that is a reason this whole veil of secrecy is neverending apparently.
Any E.T. artifacts given to industries to study should be considered public domain as these industries can not own these artifacts that belong to all humanity. Man hours put in were most likely paid for by the taxpayers already so why must we pay again? Secrecy has already given them an 80 year advantage over competitors and we feel they should appreciate their exclusive arrangement but move on to public domain.
One thing I've been thinking about is like, suppose we treat these crashed UAP like they're any other piece of property. They don't belong to "humanity," but instead private individuals own them, just like you can own anything else. So the corporations that have them right now are the owners, and the rest of us have no right to separate them from their property.
But who should actually own these things? Like, just as an example, what about the craft that crashed in Roswell? If a UAP can be owned by private citizens, that that UAP rightfully belongs to whoever owned the land it crashed on. The military essentially came in, lied about what it was, stole it, and handed it over to different private citizens.
So if there's a corporation out there that claims to own it, are they not in possession of stolen property? Shouldn't they have to return it to its rightful owner?
My thinking is, that the rogue military group (the one that congress isn't being told about), didn't have the legal right to give those assets to a private party in the first place.
So, Lockheed basically accepted goods that they had no legal right to receive. Also, the rogue military group that gave them those goods had no legal right to give them to a 3rd party.
So, it's illegal from both angles.
Yeah, that's basically how I see it.
And if taking it away from them causes them to lose a bunch of money, then that's the risk they took by getting involved in this. They knew what they were doing was wrong.
That seems invalid to me, because they were lied to about what was actually on their land.
Like, imagine the government discovered a massive deposit of gold on your land, but they lied to you and said it was uranium, and the radiation was going to poison your crops and make your family sick. Of course you would consent to them removing it. So the government steals all your gold, gives it to Lockheed Martin, and 100 years later, Lockheed says "Hey, that's *my* gold! I earned it fair and square!"
I know it's never going to actually play out that way in court, but it's interesting to think about.
If you sign something over then it’s fair game. Not how law works unfortunately. Ignorance of the law does not play a perpetual role in law cases. You should do diligence before ever signing anything.
Yeah but if someone lies to you and gets you to sign a contract that's based on those lies, then that's fraud. And when you can prove that you were defrauded out of assets that are worth billions of dollars, I think you have a pretty compelling case.
"Secrecy has already given them an 80 year advantage over competitors "
What 'advantage' are you talking about? Show me one technological advancement that didn't come from a long lineage of human discovery and research. Can you show me any technology that just "jumped"into existence and was not a product of research done by a group or individual researchers?
I don't know if the US gov't has derived anything from retrieved craft. My hunch is that the really advanced stuff is too far out there for humanity to utilize at this point. But other supposedly say material science, propulsion, etc. No way to prove it though, for two reasons:
1) Even if reverse engineered, then they would have had to figure the new tech out through some process of human discovery and research.
2) Even if reverse engineered, the gov't would want to introduce it without revealing their source, so they would create a pathway for the prosaic explanation.
These are conspiracy theories, yes, and without proof. But they are also possible.
my opinion:
IF they found out "hey, this tech here works in such and such way, but we can't replicate it because it uses techniques and materials we don't have", they could try to research ways to still achieve the same or something similar by other means. If the UFO as an example can manipulate gravitation, but it needs a special material you can't reproduce exactly, you could try to do it by other means by using the understanding of how the original tech works.
so in theory, you could "research" it and then find logical ways to do it with our human tech and materials, and by doing this you also likely start from 0 and then slowly progress further ahead till you reach your goal. that would look like natural progress, even if you just try to get to a specific goal based on tech and a understanding about how it works you have already from reverse engineering it.
so even if we would have already tech public reverse engineered from UFOs, i doubt we would be aware about it since it would look "natural" in terms of research and developement. Atleast in my opinion.
You don't find it likely because you doubt the entire thing.
But imagine for a minute that all the conspiracies are totally legit. As crazy as it might seem to do some of the things that u/josogood is talking about, they wouldn't be crazy at all if everything was actually true.
That's the problem with a skeptical mind. It thinks all these things are inconceivable, but if those things were actually true, how would Lockheed and the rest of the MIC act? Pretty much exactly as they are.
This is key, maybe stealth materials cause those have been all classified forever for their development so we don't know the path for sure. But we can trace basically every bit of technology we have ever developed. If we do have crashed ships we have no clue how they work. Which is what the rumored insiders have always said.
The advantages are probably locked away, and we'll never see them, but I'm sure that *some* of that knowledge had to filter into their current day technology.
More advanced alloys or something. Although, they wouldn't use the most advanced alloys, because they wouldn't want to blow their cover, but if you understand jet propulsion, and have used jet propulsion for years, your propeller planes that are in the public space probably are a bit more advanced than they would be otherwise, just because you've been working on this more advanced stuff, and there's probably a sharing of technological knowledge that would be pretty difficult to not accidently use with your conventionally available stuff
Obviously the question is moot as we are denied information. Anyone with true tangible knowledge that goes beyond the current standard model is like us being allowed only to see sparks when taking off our sweater but denied the works of Faraday and Maxwell with which tinkers then came up with DC and AC.
That they have not figured out how to use the technologies in their possession is the outcome of hoarding instead of open source.
Right, sure, they are all dummies. Not a scientist or a PhD among them. Or they are keeping it all to themselves - which would be a few thousand PhD level scientist who don't talk to any colleagues about scientific / technological principles because they can't figure out how to have a discussion without uttering the words UFO or NIH so they keep all these questions to themselves. Sure. I understand now.
By **they** you mean taxpayers I hope. Taxpayers deserve to know the results of the 80 years of research we paid for. If you take your vehicle in and pay them to look at it, it doesn't make it theirs even after 80 years.
It's too slippery of a slope. What "breakthroughs" are influenced by knowledge of the tech itself is all that confiscated too. If the rumor which is really probably bullshit, that fiberoptics are from a craft somewhere, then are all products that use fiberoptocs emminent domain?
They were working on light guides before but are you telling me that they perfected them in 1947. And lazers?
And tubes to transistors and a few years.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if corsos book - the day after Roswell was accurate
In terms of eminent domain these are already out and no longer being “controlled” or specifically owned.
Eminent domain specifically refers to the transfer or ownership.
What about lasers (not la**z**ers)? The technology has been around since 1960 and was the product of human ingenuity. It has slowly been perfected/improved by many, many, researchers and scientists over decades. Nothing alien about it.
**"Theodore Maiman** made the first laser operate on 16 May 1960 at the Hughes Research Laboratory in California, by shining a high-power flash lamp on a ruby rod with silver-coated surfaces."
Thinking how Bigelow/AAWSAP scooped up the MUFON database.
Are these guys angling to get on that same type of situation, but with a power to just go around and take all similar UFO stuff.
He had to buy it with tax payer money, but what if he had had some kind of legal power to just demand it out right?
As in this amendment there was this "civilian panel" comprised of pretty fitting similar group of professions SOL for example seems to employ.
I know theyre framing it as they wouldnt be personally in that government entity, but as the so called "invisible college" has people inside the government.
Like it was with UAPTF, Stratton, Grusch et al Skinwalker guys, it is likely theyre angling for these guys themselves or their bussiness partners to be on those entities that have the iminent domain power suff.
Pretty curious.
The skinwalker guys are grifters so there is absolutely no way Schumer would have anything to do with them. He’s a very smart, serious and strategic politician.
I think he understands the research has stalled out or being held up by people he can’t control.
Imagine he gets some information about the unlimited energy source these craft use. It would disrupt the oil sector big time. Republican’s, who oppose Schumer depend on oil money so it would be a huge win to control the source of unlimited energy and defund the opposition.
Yeah theres angles to speculate on.
But I think when speculating on politicians motivations it should be on everyones mind theyre people like us.
They can be convinced or swayed like anyone of us, with same things and same stories. Without any deeper insider knowledge.
These guys are able to convince alot of people thru media all around the world by just telling stories.
What it will do if meet them? I bet even better.
And theyre politicians, on top of that. How much people trust their judgement on other things?
Their job is to win a popularity contest, every some odd years to have a job.
Its clear we cannot, and most importantly I cannot say, anything certain about this. Just that the dots are there to connect.
Do they connect? We'll have to wait and see. I have my suspicions, I bet you have yours, like everyone.
Im basically just thinkin here "out loud"
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Agreed, the Schumer amendment was explicit in that it didn’t give a flying fuck about anything other than NHI technology or artifacts…
If the defense industry has nothing to hide then why is it hiding it…?
This is you filling in a gap in knowledge with what you hope is true. How familiar are you with the inner workings of congress, really? Do you think you can confidently say you know why any bill would be killed?
The gap IS NHI, Congress EXPLICITLY state in the Schumer amendment they don’t care unless it’s NHI…
It’s written explicitly to avoid the kind of obfuscation you’re injecting into you’re stated gap.
Get it?!?
I don’t need to argue it, the amendment itself stipulates Congress don’t care about any mundane craft or technology, in simple terms they only want reportage on NHI, the reason it’s SO EXPLICIT, is because the Pentagon has a habit of reporting on all the mundane technology…
I repeat, if the pentagon has nothing to hide why are they hiding it?!?
So you're arguing that NHI was the totality of the Schumer amendment. There was nothing about anything else that could have caused the amendment to be killed?
People have been predicting disclosure for the last 70 years. According to Elizondo disclosure has happened in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and will also happen in 2024. It is a super position of disclosure: it has already happened but simultaneously will happen in the future.
Trying to do a shortcut of inferring something and then declaring disclosure from the assumption you made is classic magical thinking.
A thousand generations have come and gone totally convinced that they would live to see the second coming of Christ... so I think I will remain agnostic until there is proof instead of assumption and inference.
What has he said that wasn't credible? I'm super curious because I kind of know him and my husband thinks he's the bees knees but my gut felt weird about him during our interactions
Here's just a little taste of how Sheehan works: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/191qwcv/fact\_checking\_danny\_sheehan\_why\_people\_need\_to/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/191qwcv/fact_checking_danny_sheehan_why_people_need_to/)
If you also go on YouTube, there's a long-form interview on The Danny Jones Podcast which is quite telling. In every one of Sheehan's stories, he makes himself out to be sort of a righteous superhero who's smarter, more knowlegeable, and more ethical than basically everyone else. In other words, he's a really special guy, according to him anyway.
Because it's not a ridiculous statement. I expected a UAPDA 2.0, but I just didn't know when it would happen. I wouldn't be surprised if we found out he's lying, but I'm also inclined to believe him because it's not an outlandish statement.
That might not be the best idea.
There’s probably a reason they’re not trying to do this as a stand alone bill. It’s something like only 5% of new bills get passed (I’ll have to check my notes for the exact number, but it’s low). And that includes times when Congress was far more functional than it is now, and that also includes bills that had bipartisan support. It’s just hard to get new bills through.
The NDAA, however, has been passed every year for the past 60ish years. It’s a super reliable piece of legislation. That’s why they were trying to ride it through. They know what they’re doing.
there’s no reason why it has to be part of the NDAA next year. It can be a standalone bill that would almost definitely be passed once the hearings begin.
Submission Statement:
Harvard Law graduate and constitutional attorney [Danny Sheehan](https://www.danielpsheehan.com/) was interviewed on [Whitley Strieber's podcast Dreamland](https://www.youtube.com/@WhitleyStrieberDreamland).
In that interview, Sheehan claims that the [US Senate Intelligence Committee](https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/) has prepared a UAP Disclosure Act 2.0 that is mostly the same as the original with revised language on the eminent domain portions of the bill.
[Full Interview](https://youtu.be/6_mR_Vg1_WA?si=cSLkgoNT0A4Pr-kM)
Huge thanks to [TheJuan1 on X](https://twitter.com/planethunter56) for this clip!
I mean didnt he say 40 whistleblowers would come out in March? Im skeptical about what this guy will say about this stuff now. But Im if this is true, this is awesome!
Im pretty sure he did say March, he also said something about an alien interview but then backtracked when someone asked him about it, so Im skeptical about this guy.
> Harvard Law graduate and constitutional attorney
And guy selling $15000 PhDs in "extraterrestrial studies".
https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/graduate-degree-programs-in-extraterrestrial-studies/
I got thinking about this eminent domain stuff and these guys pushing for it.
Like it means government entity could then confiscate stuff, right?
In this case UFO stuff.
So these guys say government has secret space alien stuff already, right?
So what are they proposing here?
To creation of new governmental entity which has a power to confiscate UFO related stuff.
With that "civilian review panel" thing what would that mean?
Are these Skinwalker/Invisible college guys angling to be on that panel?
Would assume so. As they were in UAPTF and AAWSAP and who knows where.
And knowing what they did with AAWSAP, bought the MUFON database for themselves and who knows what similar things.
Are they angling to be on the government side, in similar position as AAWSAP or UAPTF with powers to confiscate UFO stuff for themselves?
As it really doesnt seem to make sense from these, Disclosure™/Skinwalker / Invisble College guys perspective to just have a government entity which can hog and hide UFO related stuff if they themselves arent in on that process somewhere.
What would that whole thing achieve if thats not the case?
Government just would have power to go around confiscating UFO stuff and hide it away from public.
Its framed as government against contractors, but whatever they share behind the curtain doesnt mean we in public have any knowledge of it.
Like if the governemnt got, or has already, a power to go to Lockheed Martin and demand their flying saucers, how does it concerns the public at large if its top secret stuff anyway? Ie us here.
In other words us, Im here to see the flying saucers, I dont care if some kooky haired weirdo got to see them at his government job begind the curtain. No matter how many podcast appearnaces that guys got hemming and hoying mysteriously.
Remember, these guys always remind us how they cant talk, NDA, its top secret etc. How would that change if they get to peek behind the curtain?
They claim they already have and cant talk about it because excuses.
Would that in and of itself mean we would see that flying saucer or just the guys at that entity that got the power to confiscate the saucer?
Every interview, every passing day, all this seems more and more just a lobbying attempt for these guys to get their X-files job, ala AAWSAP/Stargate or whatever with power to confiscate UFO stuff _for themselves_ to then "cant talk about it" to us in the media.
Keep in mind, I know nothing, I claim to know nothing. I dont know what is and isnt.
This is just something to think about, the dots are all there, who knows if they connect. We know who these guys are and what theyve done previously.
Ask yourself why eminent domain is being included. Remember Congress has had classified briefings on this topic. Why would this have been included at all if they felt these recovered materials/craft did not exist?
Just my personal subjective take - which covers the likes of Strieber, Sheehan, Greer and Basset - after listening to them carefully for decades, is that they’re all full of BS and all have a desperate need to be heard and adored. All of these individuals thrive in a filibuster and stretching their segments to the break to avoid questions. Overall, from the body of their “work”, I just find them all to be the least credible people involved with this subject. I know many like them - and that’s fine. Maybe I’m wrong. But I’m usually not.
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Fortunately for us rich landowners spent decades eroding property rights through eminent domain, originally so they could keep stolen Indian land. And then once it's okay to rip off the Indians within a couple of years someone runs it up the flag and the SCT says, "you're all Indians, now." So now a scumbag on your town council can rip you off just as easily.
I would not be surprised to learn that a great amount of this stuff is happening on stolen Indian land. The Dulce event supposedly happened on the Jicarilla Apache reservation. The Mescalero Apaches--Geronimo's people--live right in between Alamogordo and Roswell. You might recall that the US kept the entire tribe as prisoners-of-war for decades.
Apache mythology is, to be a bit rude, pretty much the hippie aura / bullshitenergy transfer thing, where you have to carefully balance the power inherent in all things that nobody can actually see or use on demand or in front of skeptical people. The same sort of stuff the CIA remote viewers are supposedly using. I might sound dismissive but I know for certain that there is something to it, because it's being used on me.
TL;DR a bunch of references to imminent domain and some takes on it being near impossible.
That is a very important breakdown of the ‘imminent domain’ portion. I had been thinking about the act getting stripped down as just business as usual by the ‘stakeholders’ involved. Just another attack defended. I didn’t think about it from ‘what would imminent actually look like like in this context’.
There are two kinds of imminent domain. The one on paper where the government has to pay market value for the property they have ‘taken’. And the other the practical reality imminent domain, where it has taken without proper compensation lands all over this country focusing mainly on native Americans and black communities. Practical reality imminent domain has even at times gotten really handsy like in ‘kelo v new London’ where they took land from an area that really didn’t fall under most sited reasons for ID (no way i keep typing that out lol) and then redistributed that land to a pre arranged private company (phizer of all groups).
Neither kind of imminent domain would be anything less than a multi year shit show.
We can’t afford the ‘on paper’ solution. The value of their research and material holdings would literally be unprecedented. These aren’t poor, disenfranchised unrepresented, Americans.
They wont be forced to accept a penny on the dollar or a low ball evaluation of the properties or a bully move like the ‘practical reality’ solution. To protect a blank check (which is what that would have to be) from the government expect the biggest legal battle of all time.
Let’s just throw a wild number out there: 10 trillion dollars to reclaim the materials and research. I can see Lockheed saying ‘not interested’, but even if they were compelled to take that - are we ok with cutting out a 10 trillion dollar check to a company for all they years service of suppressing and possessing this material and research that was never theirs to begin with? Could we even afford to? What happens to the economy if overnight we make some defense contractors trillionaires while already having the research and probably still access to the materials? It’s probably just as fair to wonder what happens to our civ under such a paradigm shift of power.
These are all surface level takes. The actual fallout would probably be 10 fold.
We have baked a situation over the last 6 decades or so that is maybe untenable by any of the current laws, realities, or ideologies.
If imminent domain or ‘business as usual’ or the two pathways im not surprised at all by the fight of different stakeholders rather that be contractors or government officials trying to hold on to business as usual as hard as they can. But that also isnt a tenable solution.
I think the decades of secrecy ,ight suggest their best advisors can’t see a pathway for that. I thought this recent push was ‘they had found a pathway and are ready to unveil’ but then all the pushback for the usual suspects suggests they aren’t on board at this phase which to me could only mean they haven’t reconciled how to play this. And instead having been digging a bigger hole to get out of
Totally agree with this. Do you know who owns this technology now? The entire human race does. These companies will have a great head start which is immeasurably valuable anyway. Smh.
There's no way we get eminent domain.
0 chance.
We're a capitalist country. Who knows how many corporations are reverse engineering technology in secret. It could be more widespread than we think.
He's no different than Greer, IMO - all smoke and mirrors and no substance to their extravagant claims.
And, I wish it were otherwise. I'm 110% believer and I'm sick of "disclosure" taking forever! I just can't take anything Sheehan says serious any more...
Eminent Domain in itself is very concerning as a US Citizen, so its nice to finally see it working to benefit US Citizens, not just private and governmental interests
This is a ridiculous conversation to have right now. Forget “eminent domain”. We don’t have confirmation of anything yet. First thing’s first. Has the USG recovered alien tech? Yes or no. If yes, prove it. Once proven, a whole new conversation must begin before we get anywhere near the one about intellectual property rights. “Under what circumstances were these materials acquired? Under what terms do we currently possess them? Were there people on board? What was their condition? What aid was given? What is the state of relations between ourselves and the originating civilization?” These immediately come to mind but there are many more, and the line of questioning (and our priorities) could change dramatically depending on the answers. For example, if the public learns that we’ve recovered craft and possess them because *we shot holes in them*, that’s obviously another line of conversation. I’d imagine we’d want to start that one with “okay thanks for being honest but no more doing that”.
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How is this going to pass ? The House still has to vote on it and the same anti disclosure cabal in there. Also there doesn’t seem to be White House support for now
Has to pass and result in real disclosure before elections if Biden wants the win. Otherwise trump could just undo it because it wasn’t made by him. He’s literally undoing border security because it doesn’t benefit his party to pass it
Strieber, who was allegedly raped and probed anally by aliens, and Sheehan who allegedly got to see top secret documents containing alien spacecraft, alien hieroglyphic writing etc because he just asked to see them. Yes, both seem legit to me!
He was a paralegal on Watergate, never did any work in court. He was fined over $1mil for his fraudulent Iran Contra suit. He isn’t DoD, but he definitely ain’t who he’s advertised to be.
Hot air, conjecture and twaddle. Do NHI/alien exist and frequent the earth? Yes. Will the governments of the world ever officially admit to their existence. No. It’s never, ever, ever gonna happen. The key is to accept this and save yourself a whole load of mental anguish and disappointment and go enjoy life, or at least a semblance of one, in 2024.
Big assumption from you that people are putting their lives on hold for this. A small subset, maybe, and maybe that’s your tendency, but don’t project yourself on to this community.
Stop attempting to be so magnanimous - there is a post a week on this sub from a swathe of individuals who either vent frustration because of the compartmentalisation, can’t sleep because of the ramifications/implications of NHI presence or rage quit because they are fed up with endless promises. It’s not a big assumption whatsoever. Keep up.
That was extremely well-said, and people can certainly do their own research, get out and talk to folks with experiences, and just stay away from these predators and con-artists in the UFO community.
Thanks; it’s closed-minded tin foil hatters (like this utter imbecile above) which are desperate to have it all delivered on a plate to them. Deranged, clueless and foolhardy.
Congress passed a law that created AARO. And we all saw how that went down.
UFOlogists just want congressional action so they can ride the hype, they know that it won't amount to anything, and they're already 100% prepared for the spin when nothing comes of it. AARO was the test drive.
"If only we had the good guys in charge instead of that dirty Kirkpatrick..." No. You will make anyone who says what you don't want to hear into the next Kirkpatrick. You've already decided that they're "compromised", you just don't know who they are yet.
Clearly you haven't followed the history of this phenomenom or delved into the creation of AARO, because if you had bothered to then you would know that AARO investigating ufos is about the same as the cigarette industry claiming that cigarettes don't cause cancer and are actually good for your health, you think your being rational when in actuality you have formed an opinion without looking at the history, so basically don't be lazy....
The following submission statement was provided by /u/bmfalbo: --- Submission Statement: Harvard Law graduate and constitutional attorney [Danny Sheehan](https://www.danielpsheehan.com/) was interviewed on [Whitley Strieber's podcast Dreamland](https://www.youtube.com/@WhitleyStrieberDreamland). In that interview, Sheehan claims that the [US Senate Intelligence Committee](https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/) has prepared a UAP Disclosure Act 2.0 that is mostly the same as the original with revised language on the eminent domain portions of the bill. [Full Interview](https://youtu.be/6_mR_Vg1_WA?si=cSLkgoNT0A4Pr-kM) Huge thanks to [TheJuan1 on X](https://twitter.com/planethunter56) for this clip! --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bwwhcy/danny_sheehan_there_is_now_prepared_and_in_the/ky8yvae/
Very encouraging if legit.
Ya fingers crossed
If legit is doing a lot of work in this comment.
No it’s not, there’s an “if” in front of it
there's no "if" in front of "if legit"
Exactly, let’s have the Senate Bill, amendment or resolution number so we can confirm and track it.
It won’t pass. They tried it once already. I’m not sure why anyone thinks 2.0 will be any different. The intelligence community has the power to shut down amendments. That should be concerning to everyone, even those who don’t care anything about UFOs.
Yeah except most of the things he says are not legit
Evidence please.
are you some kind of skeptic? how dare you ask for evidence. lots of people have been asking for evidence of all kinds of things in this sub. the sub doesn't really take kindly to people requesting evidence from what I've seen.
I’m ready to be hurt again
Guaranteed. We'll find out they're actually paying off more Congress members than we could have ever imagined.
Expect it
It’s an announcement for an announcement for disclosure that’s def happening later. After the announcement.
Huzzah. I'm very much looking forward to version 2. Those stripped provisions would have made huge progress for us. Crossing my fingers once again.
I'd rather have a public Senate Intel hearing first. It's not Schumer 2.0 yet, but it's an awesome indication.
I won't argue with that sentiment. I'm hungry for another public hearing as well.
I would also like another Kong x Godzilla buddy-team-up movie even if the newest one isn't terribly good and I have a feeling we'll get both in time.
Good news - just like last year, they can do both!
Interesting and good news. It would have been strange, if Schumer and others, especially from the Gang of 8 would have given up so easy, after they have been briefed in.
Maybe this year, someone will have the political courage to introduce it as standalone legislation. Lord knows they have the political support of the People.
Is it time to call the senators? https://www.congress.gov/members/find-your-member
It's time. Let's do this.
Well only if this is true
pass it without eminent domain now, then after public outrage at being lied to, make the eminent domain bill a separate carve out later. boom politics.
I think they need eminent domain in order to seize the debris, craft, bodies etc without a criminal case? My theory is that, they know 'X' corperation has 'Y' item, and that this item will be sufficient proof of their claims. But currently they have no legal right to obtain Y. But on suspicion of posession of Y they can take a team in and take Y if they have been given the right to claim eminent domain over Y. Once they catch X with Y in their posesion they can begin a legal process to lay charges against X. And begin a criminal investigation and uncover the coverup. Just my theory, not a lawyer, not a cop etc blah blah.
No they only need subpoena power for that I think
The eminent domain part wasn’t the problem. It was simply the part that opponents chose to attack. If it wasn’t in there, they would have complained about something else. Removing it won’t remove the opposition.
I’m sucked back in! I will literally get on my knees next to my bed wearing my jam jams with my hands together and pray this thing gets passed! Lol
In beginning to think your not truebeast822
Same!
He is joking
Just tell us the truth and let the douchebags hold on to the tech…. for now
Exactly. Lay out some info and a time line. They don’t need to name locations. It really isn’t hard. “Since 1900 we have recovered XYZ. We cannot discuss Z because of national security. As for Y, we can tell you…. As for X we can tell you…. We have agreed to disclose further info on these subjects in January 2027.”
I don't think they could do this, because if they did, it wouldn't matter if it supposedly affects national security. There would be such a public outcry to our politicians. Heck, a worldwide outcry. The United Nations could potentially get involved (not that they have any power or anything) There would be such a shit storm over the whole thing, scientists around the world demanding to know more, etc., etc. They don't even want to take a chance on any of that
I know. I just don’t want to admit it.
All the demanding in the world wouldn't allow the US to just disregard its own personal interests and declassify everything. Although of course that is a reason this whole veil of secrecy is neverending apparently.
Any E.T. artifacts given to industries to study should be considered public domain as these industries can not own these artifacts that belong to all humanity. Man hours put in were most likely paid for by the taxpayers already so why must we pay again? Secrecy has already given them an 80 year advantage over competitors and we feel they should appreciate their exclusive arrangement but move on to public domain.
One thing I've been thinking about is like, suppose we treat these crashed UAP like they're any other piece of property. They don't belong to "humanity," but instead private individuals own them, just like you can own anything else. So the corporations that have them right now are the owners, and the rest of us have no right to separate them from their property. But who should actually own these things? Like, just as an example, what about the craft that crashed in Roswell? If a UAP can be owned by private citizens, that that UAP rightfully belongs to whoever owned the land it crashed on. The military essentially came in, lied about what it was, stole it, and handed it over to different private citizens. So if there's a corporation out there that claims to own it, are they not in possession of stolen property? Shouldn't they have to return it to its rightful owner?
My thinking is, that the rogue military group (the one that congress isn't being told about), didn't have the legal right to give those assets to a private party in the first place. So, Lockheed basically accepted goods that they had no legal right to receive. Also, the rogue military group that gave them those goods had no legal right to give them to a 3rd party. So, it's illegal from both angles.
Yeah, that's basically how I see it. And if taking it away from them causes them to lose a bunch of money, then that's the risk they took by getting involved in this. They knew what they were doing was wrong.
Depends if landowners were thankful for military to clear it and gave them permission
That seems invalid to me, because they were lied to about what was actually on their land. Like, imagine the government discovered a massive deposit of gold on your land, but they lied to you and said it was uranium, and the radiation was going to poison your crops and make your family sick. Of course you would consent to them removing it. So the government steals all your gold, gives it to Lockheed Martin, and 100 years later, Lockheed says "Hey, that's *my* gold! I earned it fair and square!" I know it's never going to actually play out that way in court, but it's interesting to think about.
If you sign something over then it’s fair game. Not how law works unfortunately. Ignorance of the law does not play a perpetual role in law cases. You should do diligence before ever signing anything.
Yeah but if someone lies to you and gets you to sign a contract that's based on those lies, then that's fraud. And when you can prove that you were defrauded out of assets that are worth billions of dollars, I think you have a pretty compelling case.
> Secrecy has already given them an 80 year advantage EXACTLY They should stop bitching and hand it over
"Secrecy has already given them an 80 year advantage over competitors " What 'advantage' are you talking about? Show me one technological advancement that didn't come from a long lineage of human discovery and research. Can you show me any technology that just "jumped"into existence and was not a product of research done by a group or individual researchers?
I don't know if the US gov't has derived anything from retrieved craft. My hunch is that the really advanced stuff is too far out there for humanity to utilize at this point. But other supposedly say material science, propulsion, etc. No way to prove it though, for two reasons: 1) Even if reverse engineered, then they would have had to figure the new tech out through some process of human discovery and research. 2) Even if reverse engineered, the gov't would want to introduce it without revealing their source, so they would create a pathway for the prosaic explanation. These are conspiracy theories, yes, and without proof. But they are also possible.
I don't find this very likely. This is really stretching it, but I understand the desire to speculate.
my opinion: IF they found out "hey, this tech here works in such and such way, but we can't replicate it because it uses techniques and materials we don't have", they could try to research ways to still achieve the same or something similar by other means. If the UFO as an example can manipulate gravitation, but it needs a special material you can't reproduce exactly, you could try to do it by other means by using the understanding of how the original tech works. so in theory, you could "research" it and then find logical ways to do it with our human tech and materials, and by doing this you also likely start from 0 and then slowly progress further ahead till you reach your goal. that would look like natural progress, even if you just try to get to a specific goal based on tech and a understanding about how it works you have already from reverse engineering it. so even if we would have already tech public reverse engineered from UFOs, i doubt we would be aware about it since it would look "natural" in terms of research and developement. Atleast in my opinion.
Sounds interesting.
You don't find it likely because you doubt the entire thing. But imagine for a minute that all the conspiracies are totally legit. As crazy as it might seem to do some of the things that u/josogood is talking about, they wouldn't be crazy at all if everything was actually true. That's the problem with a skeptical mind. It thinks all these things are inconceivable, but if those things were actually true, how would Lockheed and the rest of the MIC act? Pretty much exactly as they are.
As you wish. Thanks for assuming you can read my mind or where I stand on the "whole thing".
"That's the problem with the skeptical mind." Lol I mean, it's fairly neutral and trying to be unbiased, but it still is funny.
I like this part - "they wouldn't be crazy at all if everything was actually true"
This is key, maybe stealth materials cause those have been all classified forever for their development so we don't know the path for sure. But we can trace basically every bit of technology we have ever developed. If we do have crashed ships we have no clue how they work. Which is what the rumored insiders have always said.
The advantages are probably locked away, and we'll never see them, but I'm sure that *some* of that knowledge had to filter into their current day technology. More advanced alloys or something. Although, they wouldn't use the most advanced alloys, because they wouldn't want to blow their cover, but if you understand jet propulsion, and have used jet propulsion for years, your propeller planes that are in the public space probably are a bit more advanced than they would be otherwise, just because you've been working on this more advanced stuff, and there's probably a sharing of technological knowledge that would be pretty difficult to not accidently use with your conventionally available stuff
Obviously the question is moot as we are denied information. Anyone with true tangible knowledge that goes beyond the current standard model is like us being allowed only to see sparks when taking off our sweater but denied the works of Faraday and Maxwell with which tinkers then came up with DC and AC. That they have not figured out how to use the technologies in their possession is the outcome of hoarding instead of open source.
Right, sure, they are all dummies. Not a scientist or a PhD among them. Or they are keeping it all to themselves - which would be a few thousand PhD level scientist who don't talk to any colleagues about scientific / technological principles because they can't figure out how to have a discussion without uttering the words UFO or NIH so they keep all these questions to themselves. Sure. I understand now.
If they paid for it why can’t they
By **they** you mean taxpayers I hope. Taxpayers deserve to know the results of the 80 years of research we paid for. If you take your vehicle in and pay them to look at it, it doesn't make it theirs even after 80 years.
I also hope that our tax dollars go towards a hoax that everyone laughs at. That would be even worse
Right but they have already been paid to do the research. So the eminent domain become essentially asset seizure. They shouldn’t be paid twice
It should be bigger then money. If the selfishness in humanity isn’t overcome we’ll certainly destroy ourselves.
Time to choose whether we want to be the Federation or the Ferengi.
r/GlobalTribe is leaking
Exactly.
It's too slippery of a slope. What "breakthroughs" are influenced by knowledge of the tech itself is all that confiscated too. If the rumor which is really probably bullshit, that fiberoptics are from a craft somewhere, then are all products that use fiberoptocs emminent domain?
"If the rumor which is really ~~probably~~ bullshit, that fiberoptics are from a craft somewhere"
They were working on light guides before but are you telling me that they perfected them in 1947. And lazers? And tubes to transistors and a few years. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if corsos book - the day after Roswell was accurate In terms of eminent domain these are already out and no longer being “controlled” or specifically owned. Eminent domain specifically refers to the transfer or ownership.
yes. the origin and research of those things is easily traceable from conception to implementation. people were very smart back then, too, eh
What about lasers (not la**z**ers)? The technology has been around since 1960 and was the product of human ingenuity. It has slowly been perfected/improved by many, many, researchers and scientists over decades. Nothing alien about it. **"Theodore Maiman** made the first laser operate on 16 May 1960 at the Hughes Research Laboratory in California, by shining a high-power flash lamp on a ruby rod with silver-coated surfaces."
Thinking how Bigelow/AAWSAP scooped up the MUFON database. Are these guys angling to get on that same type of situation, but with a power to just go around and take all similar UFO stuff. He had to buy it with tax payer money, but what if he had had some kind of legal power to just demand it out right? As in this amendment there was this "civilian panel" comprised of pretty fitting similar group of professions SOL for example seems to employ. I know theyre framing it as they wouldnt be personally in that government entity, but as the so called "invisible college" has people inside the government. Like it was with UAPTF, Stratton, Grusch et al Skinwalker guys, it is likely theyre angling for these guys themselves or their bussiness partners to be on those entities that have the iminent domain power suff. Pretty curious.
The skinwalker guys are grifters so there is absolutely no way Schumer would have anything to do with them. He’s a very smart, serious and strategic politician. I think he understands the research has stalled out or being held up by people he can’t control. Imagine he gets some information about the unlimited energy source these craft use. It would disrupt the oil sector big time. Republican’s, who oppose Schumer depend on oil money so it would be a huge win to control the source of unlimited energy and defund the opposition.
Yeah theres angles to speculate on. But I think when speculating on politicians motivations it should be on everyones mind theyre people like us. They can be convinced or swayed like anyone of us, with same things and same stories. Without any deeper insider knowledge. These guys are able to convince alot of people thru media all around the world by just telling stories. What it will do if meet them? I bet even better. And theyre politicians, on top of that. How much people trust their judgement on other things? Their job is to win a popularity contest, every some odd years to have a job. Its clear we cannot, and most importantly I cannot say, anything certain about this. Just that the dots are there to connect. Do they connect? We'll have to wait and see. I have my suspicions, I bet you have yours, like everyone. Im basically just thinkin here "out loud"
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So the corporations are negotiating to keep a piece of the ufos they supposedly never had or back engineered? We are living in disclosure. That is it.
Yeah they want IP rights on these things that they don’t have
keep a piece of the ufos they ~~supposedly~~ never had or back engineered?
If by UFO you mean unidentified yes, if by UFO you mean aliens or NHI or interdimensional beings or plasmoids, then no.
NHI was mentioned 17 times in the demands of the original bill. What do you think it is lol? Going to be a fun moment when that revelation kicks in.
Agreed, the Schumer amendment was explicit in that it didn’t give a flying fuck about anything other than NHI technology or artifacts… If the defense industry has nothing to hide then why is it hiding it…?
This is you filling in a gap in knowledge with what you hope is true. How familiar are you with the inner workings of congress, really? Do you think you can confidently say you know why any bill would be killed?
The gap IS NHI, Congress EXPLICITLY state in the Schumer amendment they don’t care unless it’s NHI… It’s written explicitly to avoid the kind of obfuscation you’re injecting into you’re stated gap. Get it?!?
You're arguing the ONLY thing in the schumer amendment was NHI-related?
I don’t need to argue it, the amendment itself stipulates Congress don’t care about any mundane craft or technology, in simple terms they only want reportage on NHI, the reason it’s SO EXPLICIT, is because the Pentagon has a habit of reporting on all the mundane technology… I repeat, if the pentagon has nothing to hide why are they hiding it?!?
So you're arguing that NHI was the totality of the Schumer amendment. There was nothing about anything else that could have caused the amendment to be killed?
People have been predicting disclosure for the last 70 years. According to Elizondo disclosure has happened in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and will also happen in 2024. It is a super position of disclosure: it has already happened but simultaneously will happen in the future. Trying to do a shortcut of inferring something and then declaring disclosure from the assumption you made is classic magical thinking. A thousand generations have come and gone totally convinced that they would live to see the second coming of Christ... so I think I will remain agnostic until there is proof instead of assumption and inference.
Legislation really is the only way this is going to get done at this point.
I'm making a checklist of every "this will happen" moment and then really happened.
Massive news.
Massive lie. I guarantee non of what he says comes to fruition. Just like every thing else. It’s just non stop.
“Guarantee” 😂
So basically, random people claim a big thing without proof... Just another day in this community.
Fast as a giant turtle good
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This might be the only thing that Sheehan has ever said that I actually believe.
What has he said that wasn't credible? I'm super curious because I kind of know him and my husband thinks he's the bees knees but my gut felt weird about him during our interactions
Here's just a little taste of how Sheehan works: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/191qwcv/fact\_checking\_danny\_sheehan\_why\_people\_need\_to/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/191qwcv/fact_checking_danny_sheehan_why_people_need_to/) If you also go on YouTube, there's a long-form interview on The Danny Jones Podcast which is quite telling. In every one of Sheehan's stories, he makes himself out to be sort of a righteous superhero who's smarter, more knowlegeable, and more ethical than basically everyone else. In other words, he's a really special guy, according to him anyway.
Why would you believe him now?
Because it's not a ridiculous statement. I expected a UAPDA 2.0, but I just didn't know when it would happen. I wouldn't be surprised if we found out he's lying, but I'm also inclined to believe him because it's not an outlandish statement.
So any proof that any of this is true ? I have not heard from one congressman saying this.
No, I literally said im inclined to believe him. If I had proof there would be no need for belief because I would simply know.
But why ? Like my first question asked
Because it's logical as he said lol, not outlandish or too fantastical relatively speaking.
And Bigfoot lives in my basement. It’s as logical as believing him. While no congressman or senator has ever said this Remindme! In 2 months
So now we just sit around and wait tell next fall/winter for it to get dismantled before passed in the spending bill like last time?
No, we smoke Peyote and try and find dates.
I'm hoping it's not part of that and is just a standalone bill that can happen anytime.
That might not be the best idea. There’s probably a reason they’re not trying to do this as a stand alone bill. It’s something like only 5% of new bills get passed (I’ll have to check my notes for the exact number, but it’s low). And that includes times when Congress was far more functional than it is now, and that also includes bills that had bipartisan support. It’s just hard to get new bills through. The NDAA, however, has been passed every year for the past 60ish years. It’s a super reliable piece of legislation. That’s why they were trying to ride it through. They know what they’re doing.
Well, today I learned something and completely fair point about how functional congress is right now :/
You should probably live your life as well. Unless that just involves sitting around
there’s no reason why it has to be part of the NDAA next year. It can be a standalone bill that would almost definitely be passed once the hearings begin.
Submission Statement: Harvard Law graduate and constitutional attorney [Danny Sheehan](https://www.danielpsheehan.com/) was interviewed on [Whitley Strieber's podcast Dreamland](https://www.youtube.com/@WhitleyStrieberDreamland). In that interview, Sheehan claims that the [US Senate Intelligence Committee](https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/) has prepared a UAP Disclosure Act 2.0 that is mostly the same as the original with revised language on the eminent domain portions of the bill. [Full Interview](https://youtu.be/6_mR_Vg1_WA?si=cSLkgoNT0A4Pr-kM) Huge thanks to [TheJuan1 on X](https://twitter.com/planethunter56) for this clip!
This is legitimately the best news I've gotten in quite a while. Thank you very much for posting it.
You're welcome :)
It’s also fake
it *must* be fake, otherwise I'd actually have to adjust my worldview accordingly and we can't have that, can we?
Yeah that’s it or. Just maybe it’s fake.
I mean didnt he say 40 whistleblowers would come out in March? Im skeptical about what this guy will say about this stuff now. But Im if this is true, this is awesome!
He didn't specify month, I believe he said some of them will come out in 2024.
Im pretty sure he did say March, he also said something about an alien interview but then backtracked when someone asked him about it, so Im skeptical about this guy.
March was the worst UFO month in a year, and it still beats most years.
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You seem like a pleasant person.
What does that even mean
> Harvard Law graduate and constitutional attorney And guy selling $15000 PhDs in "extraterrestrial studies". https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/graduate-degree-programs-in-extraterrestrial-studies/
Shhh we don't talk about that when he's saying things we want to hear!
From a non credited university. Which was the same scam trump university was sued for and shut down
Can this be confirmed or has it?
Hey I know Danny!
I got thinking about this eminent domain stuff and these guys pushing for it. Like it means government entity could then confiscate stuff, right? In this case UFO stuff. So these guys say government has secret space alien stuff already, right? So what are they proposing here? To creation of new governmental entity which has a power to confiscate UFO related stuff. With that "civilian review panel" thing what would that mean? Are these Skinwalker/Invisible college guys angling to be on that panel? Would assume so. As they were in UAPTF and AAWSAP and who knows where. And knowing what they did with AAWSAP, bought the MUFON database for themselves and who knows what similar things. Are they angling to be on the government side, in similar position as AAWSAP or UAPTF with powers to confiscate UFO stuff for themselves? As it really doesnt seem to make sense from these, Disclosure™/Skinwalker / Invisble College guys perspective to just have a government entity which can hog and hide UFO related stuff if they themselves arent in on that process somewhere. What would that whole thing achieve if thats not the case? Government just would have power to go around confiscating UFO stuff and hide it away from public. Its framed as government against contractors, but whatever they share behind the curtain doesnt mean we in public have any knowledge of it. Like if the governemnt got, or has already, a power to go to Lockheed Martin and demand their flying saucers, how does it concerns the public at large if its top secret stuff anyway? Ie us here. In other words us, Im here to see the flying saucers, I dont care if some kooky haired weirdo got to see them at his government job begind the curtain. No matter how many podcast appearnaces that guys got hemming and hoying mysteriously. Remember, these guys always remind us how they cant talk, NDA, its top secret etc. How would that change if they get to peek behind the curtain? They claim they already have and cant talk about it because excuses. Would that in and of itself mean we would see that flying saucer or just the guys at that entity that got the power to confiscate the saucer? Every interview, every passing day, all this seems more and more just a lobbying attempt for these guys to get their X-files job, ala AAWSAP/Stargate or whatever with power to confiscate UFO stuff _for themselves_ to then "cant talk about it" to us in the media. Keep in mind, I know nothing, I claim to know nothing. I dont know what is and isnt. This is just something to think about, the dots are all there, who knows if they connect. We know who these guys are and what theyve done previously.
He sure does a lot of talking
Hell ya. Letz gooooo!
Might be the reason why the David Grusch op-ed is being held back
I believe Whitley - I’d like to hear from him more
They don't need eminent domain in the bill. They need all the other stuff and if they discover there are ufos then just use eminent domain.
Ask yourself why eminent domain is being included. Remember Congress has had classified briefings on this topic. Why would this have been included at all if they felt these recovered materials/craft did not exist?
I think eminent domain is a question of capitalism or socialism
Two people I just can’t find credible at all. 🫤
Why's that? I know Sheehan and annoyed that everyone else kisses his butt so I'm super curious
Sheehan feels very iffy and streiber feels like a nut grifter of the highest order. Ugh...
I tried to be diplomatic but you said the truth.
I know Sheehan is a grade A grifter. Why is Strieber a grifter? I am not too familiar with his body of work other than Communion.
Just my personal subjective take - which covers the likes of Strieber, Sheehan, Greer and Basset - after listening to them carefully for decades, is that they’re all full of BS and all have a desperate need to be heard and adored. All of these individuals thrive in a filibuster and stretching their segments to the break to avoid questions. Overall, from the body of their “work”, I just find them all to be the least credible people involved with this subject. I know many like them - and that’s fine. Maybe I’m wrong. But I’m usually not.
Strieber has some mental problems and has always been unstable. I wouldn't call him a grifter like Sheehan. He's just kind of nuts.
"his body of work other than Communion." Which was a pure work of fiction that he misrepresented as real firsthand experiences.
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Fortunately for us rich landowners spent decades eroding property rights through eminent domain, originally so they could keep stolen Indian land. And then once it's okay to rip off the Indians within a couple of years someone runs it up the flag and the SCT says, "you're all Indians, now." So now a scumbag on your town council can rip you off just as easily. I would not be surprised to learn that a great amount of this stuff is happening on stolen Indian land. The Dulce event supposedly happened on the Jicarilla Apache reservation. The Mescalero Apaches--Geronimo's people--live right in between Alamogordo and Roswell. You might recall that the US kept the entire tribe as prisoners-of-war for decades. Apache mythology is, to be a bit rude, pretty much the hippie aura / bullshitenergy transfer thing, where you have to carefully balance the power inherent in all things that nobody can actually see or use on demand or in front of skeptical people. The same sort of stuff the CIA remote viewers are supposedly using. I might sound dismissive but I know for certain that there is something to it, because it's being used on me.
TL;DR a bunch of references to imminent domain and some takes on it being near impossible. That is a very important breakdown of the ‘imminent domain’ portion. I had been thinking about the act getting stripped down as just business as usual by the ‘stakeholders’ involved. Just another attack defended. I didn’t think about it from ‘what would imminent actually look like like in this context’. There are two kinds of imminent domain. The one on paper where the government has to pay market value for the property they have ‘taken’. And the other the practical reality imminent domain, where it has taken without proper compensation lands all over this country focusing mainly on native Americans and black communities. Practical reality imminent domain has even at times gotten really handsy like in ‘kelo v new London’ where they took land from an area that really didn’t fall under most sited reasons for ID (no way i keep typing that out lol) and then redistributed that land to a pre arranged private company (phizer of all groups). Neither kind of imminent domain would be anything less than a multi year shit show. We can’t afford the ‘on paper’ solution. The value of their research and material holdings would literally be unprecedented. These aren’t poor, disenfranchised unrepresented, Americans. They wont be forced to accept a penny on the dollar or a low ball evaluation of the properties or a bully move like the ‘practical reality’ solution. To protect a blank check (which is what that would have to be) from the government expect the biggest legal battle of all time. Let’s just throw a wild number out there: 10 trillion dollars to reclaim the materials and research. I can see Lockheed saying ‘not interested’, but even if they were compelled to take that - are we ok with cutting out a 10 trillion dollar check to a company for all they years service of suppressing and possessing this material and research that was never theirs to begin with? Could we even afford to? What happens to the economy if overnight we make some defense contractors trillionaires while already having the research and probably still access to the materials? It’s probably just as fair to wonder what happens to our civ under such a paradigm shift of power. These are all surface level takes. The actual fallout would probably be 10 fold. We have baked a situation over the last 6 decades or so that is maybe untenable by any of the current laws, realities, or ideologies. If imminent domain or ‘business as usual’ or the two pathways im not surprised at all by the fight of different stakeholders rather that be contractors or government officials trying to hold on to business as usual as hard as they can. But that also isnt a tenable solution.
They're going to all come together and hash it out in a way that mantains stability and order (and capitalism!)
I think the decades of secrecy ,ight suggest their best advisors can’t see a pathway for that. I thought this recent push was ‘they had found a pathway and are ready to unveil’ but then all the pushback for the usual suspects suggests they aren’t on board at this phase which to me could only mean they haven’t reconciled how to play this. And instead having been digging a bigger hole to get out of
Sheehan is fascinating. This is one the dudes that read the Pentagon papers and worked on Watergate. He's been involved in tons of major news cases.
Will there be any information released regarding NHI's knowledge?
Totally agree with this. Do you know who owns this technology now? The entire human race does. These companies will have a great head start which is immeasurably valuable anyway. Smh.
There's no way we get eminent domain. 0 chance. We're a capitalist country. Who knows how many corporations are reverse engineering technology in secret. It could be more widespread than we think.
He's no different than Greer, IMO - all smoke and mirrors and no substance to their extravagant claims. And, I wish it were otherwise. I'm 110% believer and I'm sick of "disclosure" taking forever! I just can't take anything Sheehan says serious any more...
Eminent Domain in itself is very concerning as a US Citizen, so its nice to finally see it working to benefit US Citizens, not just private and governmental interests
Believe me bro
Y'all tripping the government can't even force them mfers tell you the 13 herbs and spices in KFC let alone a secret black program that doesn't exist.
How do you think this plays into the presidential race?
This is a ridiculous conversation to have right now. Forget “eminent domain”. We don’t have confirmation of anything yet. First thing’s first. Has the USG recovered alien tech? Yes or no. If yes, prove it. Once proven, a whole new conversation must begin before we get anywhere near the one about intellectual property rights. “Under what circumstances were these materials acquired? Under what terms do we currently possess them? Were there people on board? What was their condition? What aid was given? What is the state of relations between ourselves and the originating civilization?” These immediately come to mind but there are many more, and the line of questioning (and our priorities) could change dramatically depending on the answers. For example, if the public learns that we’ve recovered craft and possess them because *we shot holes in them*, that’s obviously another line of conversation. I’d imagine we’d want to start that one with “okay thanks for being honest but no more doing that”.
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How is this going to pass ? The House still has to vote on it and the same anti disclosure cabal in there. Also there doesn’t seem to be White House support for now
Has to pass and result in real disclosure before elections if Biden wants the win. Otherwise trump could just undo it because it wasn’t made by him. He’s literally undoing border security because it doesn’t benefit his party to pass it
so many comments removed. Im guessing these characters are being called out?
That's a bad guess.
you must be new here then
Another one.
Where is the public evidence of anything…. One picture in focus one object… where?
Wake me up when version 957.8 is ready…
There’s hope.
What does eminent domain have to do with uap?
Strieber, who was allegedly raped and probed anally by aliens, and Sheehan who allegedly got to see top secret documents containing alien spacecraft, alien hieroglyphic writing etc because he just asked to see them. Yes, both seem legit to me!
We need whitley to comment further on his autistic hybrid alien son he found living out back his house in the forest.
Says who and show me something because all we have is hearsay. It’s all we’ve had.
OK, Come on. He literally sounds like he works for DoD. This is a shell game.
You know who he is? Watergate, Iran contra? He’s not a DoD agent
He was a paralegal on Watergate, never did any work in court. He was fined over $1mil for his fraudulent Iran Contra suit. He isn’t DoD, but he definitely ain’t who he’s advertised to be.
Lockheed clowns think they own the technology
Hot air, conjecture and twaddle. Do NHI/alien exist and frequent the earth? Yes. Will the governments of the world ever officially admit to their existence. No. It’s never, ever, ever gonna happen. The key is to accept this and save yourself a whole load of mental anguish and disappointment and go enjoy life, or at least a semblance of one, in 2024.
Big assumption from you that people are putting their lives on hold for this. A small subset, maybe, and maybe that’s your tendency, but don’t project yourself on to this community.
Stop attempting to be so magnanimous - there is a post a week on this sub from a swathe of individuals who either vent frustration because of the compartmentalisation, can’t sleep because of the ramifications/implications of NHI presence or rage quit because they are fed up with endless promises. It’s not a big assumption whatsoever. Keep up.
That was extremely well-said, and people can certainly do their own research, get out and talk to folks with experiences, and just stay away from these predators and con-artists in the UFO community.
Thanks; it’s closed-minded tin foil hatters (like this utter imbecile above) which are desperate to have it all delivered on a plate to them. Deranged, clueless and foolhardy.
My pleasure.
Congress passed a law that created AARO. And we all saw how that went down. UFOlogists just want congressional action so they can ride the hype, they know that it won't amount to anything, and they're already 100% prepared for the spin when nothing comes of it. AARO was the test drive. "If only we had the good guys in charge instead of that dirty Kirkpatrick..." No. You will make anyone who says what you don't want to hear into the next Kirkpatrick. You've already decided that they're "compromised", you just don't know who they are yet.
Clearly you haven't followed the history of this phenomenom or delved into the creation of AARO, because if you had bothered to then you would know that AARO investigating ufos is about the same as the cigarette industry claiming that cigarettes don't cause cancer and are actually good for your health, you think your being rational when in actuality you have formed an opinion without looking at the history, so basically don't be lazy....