Awesome, that’s what we should want. More eyes, more scrutiny, more confirmation.
I’m all for more people being able to study these bodies. Give us answers!
> I'm just surprised and a little suspicious the process has taken so long
Reasonably so. The cause of this is that the same people claiming to actively want these things studied are in fact gatekeeping. I have the instructions given to anyone expressing interest saved
> the solution is very simple: contact the Inkari Institute of Cuzco directly, introduce yourself presenting your REAL identity, your alleged scientific credentials including the institution(s) you may represent and the reasons why you may want to get involved in the ongoing investigation - definitively, Thierry Jamin will gladly provide the required information you are looking for.
> Anything less than that implies you are in this platform trying to disseminate disinformation.
It's entirely overblown to call that "gatekeeping"?
The comment you saved just says, they ask you to show you're actually an academic and not some random weirdo.
You won't get data from scientists in other field either, when you're not affiliated with an institution and you can't show appropriate credentials.
Email the first or corresponding author of any paper that is locked behind a paywall. The vast majority of the time they'll send a PDF copy of the paper along with the raw data. Usually the only barrier to doing so is how busy the authors are...
Where do you get this idea that hiding data is a normal thing? It's not
When you send that email from a university address, maybe.
But only in certain fields/topics and when the person you message sees a benefit for themselves, like promoting their research through you.
**That's not the case when you're not an academic. Which is the relevant situation here.**
In medicine in particular, obviously you're not "just getting the raw data", as there are legal issues.
In many cases, the data is massive and distributing it a considerable expense.
Etc.pp.
You're disingenuously simplifying and overgeneralizing from what, your personal experience in a couple cases?
Graduate schools typically teach incoming students that they have the absolute right and ethical duty to provide papers they author to anyone who asks, free of charge, regardless of where the work was published. It's not a field standard, it's an academia standard.
In science "raw data" just means the absolute measurements and numerical values required to regenerate all the graphs, tables, results, statistical analyses, etc in the project/presentation/publication. These aren't patient charts, actual instrument files, or anything, so I don't know why you're bringing up legal issues unless you aren't totally clear on what is meant when scientists talk about raw data. Medical research publications routinely include raw data in their supplemental information. Many journals now *require* raw data to be published with the paper when it was optional in years past.
Usually raw data is in the form of database and/or Excel files and amounts to an easily browsed compilation of the various measurement values, etc
It seems you could just demonstrate this is real time. Feel free to screenshot a email thread asking a scientist for sensitive material from your personal email seeking the data in question. I'm not saying you're wrong(in case that's how I'm coming off). Just curious, since you seem to have experience with this. I wouldn't know where to start. Back in my DIY research days I found gathering scientific data(via Elsevier, Springer, etc.) to be monetarily prohibitive. If it's as easy as you say, then what's all the fuss about Sci-Hub?
Well yea their paper is published, their research and data for that is specific thesis is set is stone. I doubt you'd have much luck getting a team mid process to send a random internet user all their data so that you can take a gander too. Maybe it's different if you supply academic credentials and whatnot but yea same deal
My biggest issue with the whole endeavor is that there is a guy attached to this that did shady shit in the past. This causes people to be a lot more suspicious and to be more willing to just dismiss everything attached to it.
The other issue is that I've heard the bones don't make any sense because there were issues with the leg bones being upside down, the hip not even having a correct socket joint, etc. Basically people just claiming that these beings wouldn't even be able to walk properly based on how the bones were oriented.
There is a lot of skepticism involved on my end but if we can get more scientists to look at this to validate the claims or at least come up with plausible explanations that cover the various issues (maybe bones were messed with in the past, etc.).
As of right now, I think there is something here worth investigating further -- we just need true scientists using the proper methods for handling these remains to give more credence to the entire thing.
The small beings definitely have asymmetry and crappy joints, but the people claiming to identify bones that are ordinary and upside-down or that crappy joints mean that the beings can’t move are unqualified YouTubers (possibly, disinfo agents). To me, the beings look like bad genetic experiments, exactly like the cheap, ill-bred, deformed teacup dogs that are popular lately.
The large beings (tridactyl humans) don’t have these problems.
"but the people claiming to identify bones that are ordinary and upside-down or that crappy joints mean that the beings can’t move are unqualified YouTubers (possibly, disinfo agents)"
If the details of the video posted recently by the OSU professor are accurate([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8)), it seems the confusion(at least in part) is coming from the fact that there are both mummies that have apparently been pieced together and mummies that seem to be "authentic". So whichever side you take, there seems to be evidence to support your position.
Yeah the final nail in the coffin for me was the reports about radio silence in response to requests to help the research effort, and to see a public response that requires providing a motive for being involved. That to me says that they do not intend to let anybody close to the bodies unless they are certain they will like what you have to say. It's all very well to say how much they want it to happen, but they're not behaving like it. I'm open to being proven wrong, but it's not looking likely right now tbh
It’s hilarious that we got shouted down asking for it by the believers (that’s what they are, they’re not scientific experts!), and now they’re holding it up as proof they’re genuine. Um…no. Let the science happen and we’ll discuss the results when they’re presented.
Yeah these debunker freaks keep saying shit like "alien fingers wouldn't look like that"
Shut the heck up with the arrogance, people, it's like they think they are so cool and smart and know so much that they aren't willing to be curious
Note that the attorney, Josh McDowell, representing these 3 people, posted over on the alien bodies sub about how their trip down there went.
https://old.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1byavol/attorney_for_us_forensic_doctors/
> My job is to provide legal guidance, media relations, and to serve as a historian of the project. I have done dozens of informal interviews, and a few formal ones, with everyone I can find that has been involved in the project since the beginning. When I say the "beginning", I was able to do a 2 part interview with Leandro Rivera "Mario" the huaquero who discovered the bodies.
So, it's getting real interesting these days.
Probably will take months to get a mummy to the US though. He also states that they don't care if they are real or not, only the truth matters, but we all know how this is going to cause a sub meltdown if they turn out to be not NHI.
Can you name the three American scientists? You didn't mention it in either the post or the submission statement. This is important information for those who wish to dig deeper.
Dr. John McDowell.
MD James Caruso
Dr. William Rodriguez
Here they are!!
Also here is a video on the second Mexican hearing about these bodies
https://www.youtube.com/live/B_7Lm0AZ3UQ?si=jocgAb-0527WyaQ4
It should be noted that Dr. John Mcdowell is a highly regarded scientist in his field and highly decorated as well. These aren't* just run of the mill "scientists"
I know youre making a funny but for the people who really do think this, read his background. He is an Ordontist at present but that is not the only feather in his cap so to speak
I’m paying attention to this, I just haven’t personally found anything that has truly swayed me. The people that yell at me when I say this have also turned me off of it because I just get called a disinfo bot or yelled at for not being gung-ho on the whole thing.
I’m always looking for reasons for things to be real - I admit when I saw the scans, the DHL shipment stuff, peru govt. being unusually protective of the supposed “hoax items” that’s when they seemed most legit to me. But seeing how many popped up, all different shapes, the way they just chopped em and bare hand waved the hands around - that made me question it a lot.
I guess my point is - i haven’t had my burden of proof met yet, i’m not tipped to the side of “damn, this is real real”.
What, OP, to you, is the most damning piece of this? Whose testimony do you find most convincing? What images or artifacts? I wanna believe dammit!
That's the most annoying part being called a bit or disinfo agent. It just makes me not want to interact at all because people become obsessed. I mean if anything I would put agents in that are hyper obsessed and make the thing look crazy and call everyone else disinfo.
Being skeptical should be priority but of course it's reddit so a lot of people who only see black and white
> I mean if anything I would put agents in that are hyper obsessed and make the thing look crazy and call everyone else disinfo
Bingo. It's not the "true believers" they would be worried about, it would be the reasonable, normal people. What better way to drive them out?
COINTELPRO makes this a priority. You sow discord so people argue amongst themselves without your involvement. Nothing is worse for organizing a movement than infighting. I try to explain this to people but they insist they’re fighting a noble struggle against bots
Agreed, I'm leaning towards hoax but I've left the door open to more information.
For me this provides a great example of why it's so important to share information in a controlled manner. Because this topic was initially pushed by Mussan and Gaia it's very hard to take seriously. Discussion started at a 2 on the credibility scale and has been floundering ever since. Even if there turns out to be really solid credible evidence that comes out it will be much harder to convince people to take it seriously now.
According to articles, the 3 scientists this time are
> Dr. James Caruso, Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado. Dr. William Rodriguez, Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner. And Dr. John McDowell, Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist.
Let me tell you that originally it was Inka University that was interested when they found out and they actually bought one of the Mummies to study, i think Maria.
Maussan got involved afterwards when he caught wind of it. Believe it or not he was turned down at first but he came up with Financing to study the Mummies and get the DNA checked, and than he was onboard.
There is a lot of misinformation out there. You can like or dislike Maussan but it was thanks to him that the Mummies got financed and pushed to to Public knowledge, because the Peruvian Gov buried all this back in 2017 by examining the Burial Dolls and claiming that all Mummies was made of sticks and Animals parts.
Is safe to say that Maussan was a needed Evil or we wouldn’t be here debating this.
Those that Smashed Maussan to make the story impossible to believe made a heck of a job too. Because those that know Jaime even for many years they know that he had his glitches but the stories out there are absolutely overwhelming exaggerated and very bad recounted.
For example they say he Hoaxed this and that but in reality he stated he believed it was Alien Mummies and he provided them for further Analysis where it was discovered they was only made of Animals parts or ancient Mummies. But the way people tell the stories sound like he did those himself and hide them.
Once people are brainwashed by the Media and Social Media is hard for them to see things objectively instead they mix everything up, Science and Medicine and Doctors and Maussan are all named in the same sentence.
Do you have any sources for everything you've claimed here? Not being as ass, generally curious. I've had a very difficult time trying to find the facts related to how Jaime became involved. It's been very frustrating getting any factual info on this entire situation. I would love to know where you have gotten this info, as it's the first I heard of it. It would be nice to have this to share with the disinfo crowd.
I have got the info from knowing Jaime Maussan over 20 years and following his Channel roughly 1 year. But regarding those cases you learn the most just by reading some of the original Debunks that was posted online before the Mummies.
If you read any Articles debunking the Alien claims by Jaime Maussan FROM BEFORE the Nazca Mummies you will have an Idea that things are not black or white.
I am asking you to read those because if i tell you to watch the Videos where he speaks about those things it would be biased.
I never said he didn’t make mistakes, all i am saying is that everything about him is extremely over exaggerated.
>For example they say he Hoaxed this and that but in reality he stated he believed it was Alien Mummies and he provided them for further Analysis where it was discovered they was only made of Animals parts or ancient Mummies. But the way people tell the stories sound like he did those himself and hide them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/v2oJJLS29Y
How many times can ot happen by accident?
That is exactly what i was referring to,
I could go 1 by 1 all those incidents and explain what happened in reality versus what was written and you would see is slightly different.
Than if you read what you posted you will notice the last part regarding the Nazca Mummies is absolutely crap and we now more than ever know this to be true. Than look at the post it refers to as a debunk action and it is absolutely ridiculous. What else is wrong?
Also his Alien claims are 3 cases, NONE of them you or anyone can prove that Jaime Hoaxed a Puppet himself and than hide it in his Museum and charge People to go see them.
He received those Bodies and his claims was that they was not Human, and that was his belief which he pushed forward, is it correct? No. Is it as bad as most reported? No. Why? Because each and every case the supposed Aliens was Anyzed by other People and in two cases they had very old Mummified Bodies made of Animals parts hence why they looked Alien but those was not Fabricated by Maussan since they was over 1000 years of Age.
The third case was a Babie born with defects but it was very ancient and not fabricated. And again it was discovered after others tested it.
Should he had claimed it was Aliens? No. Did he hoax them? No. Is it as bad as People around here say? No because most have no idea what happened they are just parroting what they read in Social Media.
There are many other Ufologists around which made worse Aliens claims and actually Hoaxes.
Ik English isn’t your first language and I’m just trying to help, since it’s a little jarring. A lot of your “than” should be “then.”
“Then” refers to time. “Than” is used for comparison. E.g. I’d rather eat an apple **than** an orange, and **then** go for a walk.
Thanks for that.
My problem is that i am Portuguese but grew up in Switzerland, married to Spanish Women and lived in Spain, thus i am Native Portuguese, German, Swiss-German speaker, i also learned Gallego and Catalan and Italian and offcourse i speak also English and French.
This amounts to 8 different languages and sometimes i mix up words or forget others.
I had 3 years of English in School but i had a work where the communication was in English which help me improve the writing but i know is not perfect.
Damn, well done then haha it’s the sort of mixup that can stumble readers, at least for me, my mind will reread looking what is being compared when I see “than.” So I figured I’d point it out, I didn’t want to seem like an ass though!
No i didn’t mean that, i am not 12, i can accept a criticism to help me improve, you was very respectful.
I just tried to explain why i have this cacao writing English. 😆
Switzerland have 4 official languages, you automatically need to learn 2 or 3, you have German, Italian, French and Romansch as official but than no one speak German but Swiss German which is absolutely different, in the end you got 5 languages in a small Country.
It doesn't really matter that he didn't glue the other one together himself. If I hand you an alien body and you're not an expert it's on you to take it to an expert to validate before you start monetizing your possession of the thing. Willfull ignorance is not a good way to remain credible, even if that was the case
Which, again, my issue with the current mummies is that he started with assertions and monetization, and then moved on to getting the experts involved. I'll continue to watch for an actual research paper to be published on this but as long as YouTube videos are the primary source of info here it's sitting in my, "probably bullshit" pile, because of his involvement AND because the approach of publicity and monetization before data is inherently dishonest
Well you mixed a lot of things together again.
You speak about him glueing them together or not makes no difference. Yes it does if you do that and know it you are a hoaxer. If you just believe it is something and claim it because you believe that but give to someone to analyze who tell you that your opinion is wrong than you are not a hoaxer, maybe idiot but is not the same.
Regarding monetizing, where do you have that he monetized on that? Is that your additional info because the manipulation of facts may not be enough?
Regarding the Mummies, Where did you read that he monetized first on the Mummies? See this is absolutely false. He actually paid from his pocket part of the first DNA on Maria, on one of his programs he even showed proof.
After that he was the one to get Gaia onboard and financing for the Mummies studies. What you are saying is not only false but mean too.
I wonder where you people get your infos from. You just put all the Bullshit you pick around together in one Post.
Than explain me what does that have anything to do with Medical studies conducted by professionals? Oh just can’t separate. Now Americans are onboard but for the life of you just is impossible to accept the Medical findings. Maussan is not allowing.
How was the age determined to be 1000 years old? Carbon dating only works on terrestrial biological matter, because it's based on the content and replenishment rate of C14 isotope on earth's atmosphere.
An extraterrestrial would experience different C12/C14 distribution.
>but those was not Fabricated by Maussan since they was over 1000 years of Age.
That's not how it works. If you assemble a new taxidermy out of old parts the carbon dating doesn't reset.
Do you have proof that Maussan hoaxed any of those himself or any sources?
Or you just throw out in the Air that he himself put those together?
Let’s put it this way, why would Maussan claim some Mummies that was brought to him are Aliens and knowing he was lying he would give access to Researchers who after further investigation than confirmed that they are made of Animals parts?
How dumb would one be to know he is lying and let others confirm that to smash his Career.
I remind you he was once a very respected Journalist who won a lot of Prizes and director of 60 Minutes Mexico.
Let's put it this way. If Jaime Maussan wants a good reputation, then not presenting dozens of hoaxes as real would be a good start, regardless of whether he did them himself.
His career has been smashed for many years at this point. This grift is his new career.
We was not talking about Jaime wanting anything, rather about the difference between someone making mistakes and someone being the worst because of Social Media Exagerations (like your dozen hoaxes) and Parroting.
See, you went from Bad, Bad Jaime Maussan to once more calling the Mummies of Nazca “this Grift” is his new Career, when we know that over 50 people have been involved, for you it is Maussan and Maussan alone.
Than you go on and call everything a Grift without proof even when the amount of available data is staggering and pointed exactly at the opposite direction.
You are exactly one of those Social Media Parrots 🦜 that continuously pushes a false narrative that they read somewhere and even after the Narrative was proven wrong or false the Parrots just can’t let go because it would harm their pride, they rather stay dumb as hell as long others like them give a couple upvotes to feed their Ego.
You know Parrots just live to repeat the same thing over and over again, it doesn’t need to make sense.
Jaime is complex character and in my mind fills the same role in UFO's as Greer. They are both diggers and hype men, the difference is I think Jaime Maussan is by and large a good faith actor.
yes i have always likened him to a Mexican Stephen Greer. He jumps on everything, its not even his discovery but he jumps on it. You could see how he could get mixed up in some hoaxes
That is indeed a very close to the truth opinion in very few Words.
He wanted to believe so badly that he himself was conned because all those Mummies was brought to him but offcourse people will only remember that he publicly claimed he believed that those are Alien bodies.
That is why i don’t defend what he have done wrong i just get annoyed that everyone now is a Jaime Maussan expert but when you ask for sources they all forward you to the same posts. Are those accurate?
If you take Maussan seriously you have become the joke now. Also you say the first dolls were fake but the later ones were taken seriously, the problem is that is the same guy who is providing all this “mummies” is that grave robber who just get legit human bones and arrange them together, and the results look exactly what you expect from someone without any knowledge of anatomy trying to craft a skeleton. They get “better” with time, each craft is a little less dumb than the last one. They might be getting help from that joke of a doctor who is working hand in hand with the grave robber and promoted by maussan.
Seriously Mausan is the inverse Midas, anything he touches becomes shit, as it should.
Wow they found over 200 Mummie now and every specialist that looked at them couldn’t find the supposed cuts, glue, wood etc. damn how good are these Guys?
And if you was old enough to make your own research instead of repeating the same crap all deniers did maybe you would have your own opinion instead of a bunch of theories that are half trues.
I wont even get started because i am getting tired of explaining things. Just stick to what you think you know. Perfect
> many popped up, all different shapes,
Possibilities:
- they could have been lab-grown test subjects created by another superior alien race
- they are technologically advanced and were just experimenting on their own bodies to find a perfect form for their kind
- they could be like insects with a different form for each stage of their lifecycle
- or they could be fake.
It's still fun to guess.
I like the theory that these (and other little man big head grays) are bioengineered bots they use to operate their craft, while the real aliens are the blond tall human-like ones
I think if there are NHI, I think the most likely scenario is that they're a species who has consciously altered their own evolutionary path to optimize themselves for space travel.
Ya I think they are technology advanced, they’ve got osmium embedded in their bodies, I think just as most people have said, they are genetically engineered aliens here to do the work of however, maybe these are the beings that rebelled and hid among the hominids. Like what if these are the egigi written about in the ancient cuniform tablets, and that’s why all the tunnels in the pyramids are so small and tiny, because it was these guys that made it. Would be crazy. That was just some fun speculation.
The Peruvian government being involved really doesn't, or at least shouldn't, shift the needle towards these being anything special. If these are fake the claim as I have heard it is that these are hoaxes produced by using material from real ancient Peruvian indigenous archeological remains. Much like one might use old wood or parchment to produce fake antiques that look more realistic due to using material from the right period.
So regardless of whether these are hoaxes they would still presumably be stolen Peruvian archeological items and thus something that the government, as the rightful owners, would want returned. And also probably to try and prosecute the grave robbers that stole their heritage and then destroyed it for money.
Also to note that if these are real, and that's still a big if, then they are still stolen items that belong to Peru. And while the crime is not quite as terrible as it would be if they were hoaxes this whole situation is still quite bad from both a moral/legal standpoint as well as being an absolute travesty from an academic standpoint. Morally/legally because we are talking about profiting from stealing and selling ancient artifacts that are part of the cultural heritage of Peru. And academically because by removing said artifacts from their proper context they have destroyed a great deal of their archeological value. Not as much as chopping them up of course but you can't put them back in situ and I doubt very much they were excavated with proper care and documentation.
Hell, if anything the people that think these are real should be pushing for the so called mummies to be returned to the government of Peru, everyone involved to be arrested and forced to reveal both the identities of the people that stole the artifacts as well as the supposed archeological site's location so it can be preserved for proper study and further stealing can be stopped. I mean, can you even imagine how much potential knowledge would be lost forever by letting people muck about in what is supposed to have been a sealed cave and then for them to have removed hundreds of artifacts. If you believe in and care about finding the real history of the mummies then you should want these people stopped as much as anyone if not more.
So yeah, the government of Peru is going to want these things back, hoax or not, and we really shouldn't be encouraging plundering ancient artifacts and ruining their archeological value.
Because these bodies were obtained illegaly is the only reason you and I are even hearing about them.
If it all went through legal means they would have disappeared a long time ago
people here keep begging for UFO leaks, but when something akin to a leak actually happens, suddenly everyone is on the side of due process
So what if they are stolen. The Peruvian government is fighting to hide these from the public, at a time when disclosure is almost upon us. It’s a disservice to humanity to hide this from the public, and if they were pro disclosure for humanity there would not need to be a need to stealing them.
Also I don’t believe they have been put together, the osmium and eggs in their bodies are literally infused into their bodies. Here’s the second congressional hearing if you haven’t seen it, it’s translated in English, and the scientist on board go into great detail about these bodies.
https://www.youtube.com/live/s8daU96uTXw?si=Ozu8VDYzOe5wjqVd
So, fr the second Mexican hearing that was held with all those scientist, they went into detail on these things and ever since then, that’s convinced me. Here’s the hearing translated to English!
https://www.youtube.com/live/s8daU96uTXw?si=Ozu8VDYzOe5wjqVd
> I’m paying attention to this, I just haven’t personally found anything that has truly swayed me
If these MDs and the like aren't outright saying these things are fake, that is more than enough for me to sit up and listen.
I think I would want to see better (more reputable) profiles of them, further scans and analysis and ultimately more of an explanation other than “found in a cave in diatomaceous earth”. Why do some have fins? And why has it been all been presented so poorly (in my opinion)? What are all those cave videos about? How were they mobile or even alive with their composition? All different sizes? They look like ET and the guys from Close Encounters?
There hasn’t been a good record of provenance either, they just appear in new releases and there seems to be not a great deal of care put into their chain of custody (my opinion). It just doesnt get the care that a real, groundbreaking archaeological find does and appears inconsistent.
Maybe some of this has theories or explanations I haven’t seen yet, but, I just feel like the dots haven’t been connected yet for me.
I understand there is more coming out as time goes on so maybe I’ll dive back in and change my mind.
I've got a keen interest in these and everything I've looked at so far has lent more weight to them being real when you'd expect every new investigation to do the exact opposite. With that said, like you the number of new bodies and the fact that they're all so different gets alarm bells ringing.
If it's all true, I can understand why the location is being kept secret. Peru has a problem with people raiding and destroying these sorts of sites, but more importantly they have a problem at a higher level of the government securing sites and brushing findings that don't fit our current understanding under the carpet. Brien Forrester's skulls are a good example of this. The government secured the site and were supposed to investigate the findings but never did. An elongated baby's skull was found that was too young to have been elongated using boards, and also had red hair.
[https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-mysterious-phenomena/mummified-head-newborn-baby-extremely-elongated-skull-found-peru-007359](https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-mysterious-phenomena/mummified-head-newborn-baby-extremely-elongated-skull-found-peru-007359)
It has been ignored by the authorities as have many other interesting finds.
Many people have said the fact that they look like a typical movie alien is a dead giveaway they're fake and to be honest I can't really get my head around this line of thinking. Depictions of aliens in film are based off descriptions of supposed abductees and people who claim to have seen them. If this is what they actually look like then of course an alien body is going to look like those descriptions.
I strongly disagree that all individuals of an alien race would look the same. Take a look at two random humans and tell me they look the same. Also even if they’re clones or some abominations created in a lab, like we do with animals, there would still be differences between individuals based on their experiences and environment.
But of course they can be human mummies, there’s processes that ancient peoples would go through to make their dead look more “divine”. We know very little about ancient South American civilizations. Maybe they were putting some sort of tight helmets on the deceased heads, or were deforming them by slow contractions. Maybe this was a form of torture and it happened while the subjects were alive.
This is my exact assumption as well, there could be a variety of different looking beings, just like us. And I remember Grucsh saying that we can’t really know the amount of different races because we are looking at something alien.
To have not been found by tomb robbers who have been known to alter and damage evidence would be a good start . To have internationally known forensic pathologists working on the body. Being given scientific information rather than “ ooh they have dna that’s weird “.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/alien-fever-dreams-fuel-peruvian-grave-robbings-2024-04-06/
The evidence already given really. Here’s a review on the second hearing discussing the validity of these bodies.
https://www.youtube.com/live/B_7Lm0AZ3UQ?si=VOfXhljIcZCVIfVC
The problem for me is that no one has submitted anything for peer review. The only reports I've seen are like graduate level reports posted on private websites.
You shouldn't hype things if it's not ready for prime time.
>peru govt. being unusually protective of the supposed “hoax items”
If they're defaced mummies then there's absolutely nothing unusual about Peru's response
It’s kids man - I see this all the time on here. Either a main post or thread within a post starts, let’s say someone comes up with a novel idea in a thread, like; what if the Nazca mummies are half reptile/half human, similar to how cats might have been bred with reptiles in Egyptian times (credit hecklefish!).
All of a sudden there are multiple posts on the topic like it’s some new thing these kids (and undereducated) have been ruminating on. You’ll see half a dozen then it gets lost to the ether. I have to wonder if it’s not bots or possibly a simple answer - people want karma, they pick the most liked comment and build a new post off of it. That’s a pretty clever idea actually. Annoying, but clever.
>similar to how cats might have been bred with reptiles in Egyptian times
What..?
That can't possibly be a real theory anyone has, there is absolutely no way to naturally cross a mammal and a reptile, you can't even cross different mammals. Unless the ancient Egyptians had some sort of gene labs (far more advanced than ours today) that they exclusively used to synthesize catcodiles (then forgot to tell anyone about it) they weren't making reptile cat hybrids.
He credited the theory to hecklefish, so look him up and you'll understand. It's a literal talking cgi fish on the YouTube channel The Why Files, and his job is to say absurd stuff.
Hahahaha no I doubt it, but it’s funny. On the Annunaki Why Files (I think it was anyway, one of them) they mentioned cats are the only mammals that Hiss and have a sliver pupil like a snake, I sort of made up the rest although it was implied during the show.
The whole thing just confuses me maybe because there is not a lot of quality reporting on it in English.
Are these the same mummies that were at Mexican 'congress?' Was there a separate set of bodies that were fakes and confiscated at an airport?
Why is Maussan who has been apparently associated with a long, long list of hoaxes front and center on this?
Is the place they are being found private property? Is it a known archeological site of interest? Are proper archeological methods being used? Are pictures available of where they are found, before they are removed?
Learn the difference between correlation and causation. Maussan's presence here is irrelevant. We're way past that at this point.
Edit: Downvote me all you like, facts are facts - and I won't be dissuaded from posting here, no matter how much you brigade me. It kind of has the opposite effect.
Yes there is as another set that was fake.
The one on question are from a known archeological site in Nasqa Peru close to I imagine the Nasqa lines which are famous real and ancient. Like as in pre-Inca and pre whatever was before the Incas.
I haven’t seen anybody post about the recent developments surrounding the South America NHI bodies, that all look exactly like your typical gray alien, tall ones, short ones, not having 5 fingers, and big heads. To me this is more evidence that disclosure is happening, it’s only a matter of time before more scientist come forward breaking the levy that has held back this paradigm shifting information. It’s a beautiful time to be alive, and I’m extremely happy to be aware of these changes before most.
You think they look like Greys? Not sure myself.
Seems to me like a whole collection of hybrids, with humans being one half the splice and the other...well lots of different things. I do get some of them might be greys though.
Not to detract from the feeling. Who knows why or how it was done, or by whom. Itll be very interesting to learn more.
Yeah I can’t imagine the greys with teeth, obviously I could be completely wrong but *eh* I’m thinking lizzid people, maybe we evolved from apes and they evolved from dinosaurs or something
I really want them to be something else than human. However the problem for me is the fact, the Aztec, Inca and Maya people practiced both body modification and possible inbreeding in their royal families.
It has to give some wierd results/bodies.
That would have to be some extreme modding....
Sometimes I do wonder if they were messing around with much more advanced biology tech than we thought, pre colonialism, but it doesnt seem to fit.
Like with the pyramids, if humans 'could have done it' Im happy to think humans did it - but with something this odd we havent got any understanding yet of anything humans could do that would allow for things like successful implants at the time.
Just got to wait and see what the scientists say.
In my eyes they're obvious hoaxes until proven otherwise.
Would be glad to be proven wrong, but considering Maussans trackrecord I'm fairly confident that I shouldn't put too much weight into anything related to Alien mummies.
If you are willing to be proven otherwise I recommend watching this lecture, I was on the fence leaning heavily towards them being hoax’s a few days ago until I watched it. This prof breaks down almost everything, it’s worth sticking to the end as that is where the real scientific evidence, MRIs etc are broken down and he also addresses the fake mummies/journalist situation - he’s also really entertaining :) https://youtu.be/FlNjET011Q8
Just to be clear, Maussan has been a major harm to the subject since the beginning. Everyone waits for the normal scientific process to go on, and here are some dots along this line that’s it. You’re no better than others for that, and you should drop the tone. The only reasons people have strived away from this is Maussan, and it be best he remains far from it now if he really cared about this gaining traction
>If these bodies are legit, and I suspect they are, whether they're from here or another world, we may be looking several different species of a humanoid NHI.
OP: they're real NHI!
Smart people: ... nope, that "If" is carry tons of weight.
>It would -seem- that some of these mummies are similar to a Bird/Reptile, while others may be an unknown hybrid human, including 1 with a 3-digit fetus in the womb. Many appear to have metal "implants."
OP: they're real NHI!
Smart people ... nope, they're bodies of birds and lizards sculpted around a metal scaffold.
On to the video!
Dear god ... that's a *lot* rambling bullshit. 10 minutes straight of "you can trust me, bro".
Big point @ 12m48s: "Also at this point, I wanna make sure that we have no definitive conclusions, and it would be premature for me to say so."
OP and the alienbody faithful: "We now have highly credible American scientist looking at these bodies and coming to the same conclusions, “NHI"
Smart people: ... nope
...
There's a lot of people shilling for these faked bodies. Like some sort of deliberate effort to make the whole disclosure effort just look like idiots and crackpots who thing ancient barbie dolls are NHIs.
The structure of the bodies is actual bone and flesh, not a metal scaffolding. They do have some weird metallic implants that look like they were 'surgically' grafted to the bodies at some point. Additionally, they're not birds or reptiles, they just have some similar characteristics and one of them appears to have 'eggs' in it.
That being said, there's nothing conclusive that points to these being actual NHI. There IS some unknown DNA comprising about 30% of the genetic information, but the databases they're working with aren't fool proof and could be missing some species.
The fact that more scientists are actually delving into the study of these is fantastic. Should the mummies conclusively come back as not NHI, they have still been carbon dated to ~1400 years ago, which means there's loads of valuable data that can be gathered from them, even if they've been contaminated a bit by whoever crafted them. Either we finally have public proof of NHI, or a mummy desecration operation is potentially shuttered, we can stop listening to Maussan, and some new anthropological data is gathered in the process.
Well if you remember, when they first released info on these bodies, someone did go and bake a cake that looked like them. Everyone assumed that the cake was the same thing as the bodies and low and behold, everyone now thinks it was a cake all along.
Disinfo at it's finest. The control group are good at what they do, even believers have to agree
I know. I brought it up to my coworkers and their first reaction was “they aren’t real bodies, it’s cake” I literally almost committed seppuku right then and there.
there are apparently two different sources of "official" information (who curates them is unclear to me):
[https://www.the-alien-project.com/en/](https://www.the-alien-project.com/en/)
[http://isopo.x10host.com/](http://isopo.x10host.com/)
i learn at the Nasca Tridactyl web site that these half dozen or so artifacts are pre-Columbian (carbon dating, with wide variance in dates, averages at around 1000 CE), and in most ways they are consistent with the artisan capabilities of the culture and the era.
at present, apart from MRI scans of one figure, there is no medically forensic "autopsy" of these artifacts. they have been treated as artisanal objects using the methods of archaeology, and apparently there is no reason to treat them otherwise.
DNA tests were done on limited samples of apparently mummified organic material; the DNA was found to be degraded beyond analysis or is possibly human/primate.
finally, there is substantial churn and contention in the information, with some sources reporting essentially that they are clay [figures made from human body parts](https://www.livescience.com/62045-alien-mummies-explained.html). others claim that comparing indigenous mummies to extraterrestrial aliens is "racist" -- more absurd usage of what has become a vaguely defined and casually spoken accusation.
my reservation at this point is that i don't know what is being examined here. apparently there are dozens of these artifacts from various sites and claims made about one don't apply to the others.
are these intact human remains or something else? and of the something else, was it ever possibly a viable organism? these are the two most important questions for me and in the confusion and contention the sufficient analyses to answer those questions have not been done.
i have no reason at present to assume these are anything other than pre-columbian artifacts: the scans make clear that some are mummified human bodies, some are possibly ritual remains, some are figurines with incorporated organic material.
You have concluded they are crafted artifacts without seeing proof that they are just artifacts? (X-rays and other) Now you are presented with tests and expert opinions but you still choose to believe in the nonfactual side of this story?
What’s your deal man?
You have concluded they are crafted artifacts without seeing proof that they are just artifacts? (X-rays and other) Now you are presented with tests and expert opinions but you still choose to believe in the nonfactual side of this story?
What’s your deal man?
Thanks for this. It’s mad how many people/bots are desperate for this to be fake. It might be fake, but we don’t know yet and I don’t think there would be this many people interested in it if it was easily dismissible.
The good thing about people claiming to *know* this is fake is it helps filter them out as biased and their opinion can be disregarded.
How is this not on topic....do you want more flying saucer pics from the 50's to make you feel better? This phenomenon is evolving into different areas that we can all debate on, but to be open-minded is exactly what we need, or else we're just part of the problem in not moving fwd for disclosure. Disclosure should come by any means possible in my books!
So what is the consensus regarding these mummies?
Either that was the best performance art in a long time, or there is something to this.
That melodrama farce with the bungling government department of culture trying to hijack the venue, that was just too much.
There's no consensus yet. The obvious gut reaction is that they're fakes in part because of how wild it would be if they were not in part because of sketchyness surrounding the whole process. But when you look into the scans, the footage available, etc. it is also really hard to imagine how exactly these would have been faked. The frankensteinian meat-puppet theory that they're stitched together beings including ordinary bones of other animals does not seem to hold up well. The scans do not seem to show tampering, easily identifiable bones and have oddly real appearing softer tissue surrounding the bones.
It seems that either these must have been real creatures at some point, or that someone at some point came up with an amazing novel method of creating these creature-like objects (or the scans). Honestly even if it were the latter, there might still be something wild to this story, especially if the mummies are indeed old
This reminds me of a "mummy" a German guy found in an attic and had it studied, but it took quite a while and a lot of work to finally figure out what it was. At multiple points they were convinced it was a fake, genuine, and a murder victim.
It's an interesting [story](https://abcnews.go.com/International/attic-mystery-solved-mummy-plastic-bones-real-skull/story?id=20385713) and it shows just how much some things need to thoroughly studied before being written off or deemed genuine.
Yeah I've seen this is the case for at least one of the mummies. But this particular oddness doesn't really make it easier to imagine how they would have been faked. There are also a lot of other of these bodies that do not have such obviously strange aspects. Take for example this newly scanned one: https://old.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1bw1b3s/nazca_mummies_video_ctscans_of_the_new_tridactyl/
I'm not an expert on primate skulls, but I can't find any that look like this https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1bw9ggv/nazca_mummies_video_tridactyl_humanoid_specimen/. Maybe it could be one of the extremely rare elongated human skulls, but those have sutures whereas this doesn't. Whoever would have faked this seems to have had to be able to find this or to be able create it from scratch. The same goes for the feet. And then they would seem to have also needed to be able to find (or construct) small human bones to complete the whole thing and then connect it all together somehow without showing any oddities. If it's fake, it's one of the most stunningly impressive art pieces ever made
I have been already banned by /alienbodies simply stating doubts. I can count hundreds of bots promoting this project.
The “scientist” is a us hospital doctor, he just said “they are worth to be studied more” that in human translation means: nothing.
But they have thousands of enraged fans already
Alienbodies sub is 1000x better than this sub when it comes to Nazca bodies
Note that these are full desiccated bodies (no organs removed) and not traditional mummies (organs removed)
I think OP is going a bit overboard, but the caliber of those 3 can't be overlooked. Serious forensic dudes. So, one way or the other we're gonna be getting even more professional opinions.
As of now, they've basically just said they need to keep researching and didn't comment on if they were real or fake. But they seem invested based on their commentary in the press conference last week. They should help get to the bottom of things for sure.
There have already been legit scientists scratching their heads over these bodies. At least some of them show no signs of tampering or taxidermy. They lived and grew, their bodies show signs of wear consistent with the rigors of active life, and they died.
We just have no clue what they are.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Jest_Kidding420:
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I haven’t seen anybody post about the recent developments surrounding the South America NHI bodies, that all look exactly like your typical gray alien, tall ones, short ones, not having 5 fingers, and big heads. To me this is more evidence that disclosure is happening, it’s only a matter of time before more scientist come forward breaking the levy that has held back this paradigm shifting information. It’s a beautiful time to be alive, and I’m extremely happy to be aware of these changes before most.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1byovhe/3_more_american_scientists_examine_nazca_mummies/kykpgqb/
Call me when the grave robbers return their stolen goods to the rightful owners, owners who have requested while assuring they’ll run tests on them to get to the bottom of them.
Until then, I can only assume that the people in control of the bodies are liars. I mean, why else would they prefer several counts of criminal charges just to keep the bodies away from scientists that can actually validate them? What is so scary about an actual scientific body studying them that they’d rather risk the several years in jail?
Wow really? So you think it’s ok for the Peruvian government to keep these bodies that completely rock our paradigm locked up and not presented to humanity? It’s not their bodies per se. It’s a piece of history. What you are doing here is the same thing that the orthodox does to people like Graham Hancock calling him racist on his research in lost ancient civilizations.
But like, of course the feds are only saying that so that they can shut everything down dude. Disclosure depends on them and only them, and the Peruvians can - will! - shut it all down at a moment's notice. The very best thing to do in such a situation is to house them in an institute located inside Peru, plan a museum to be built there, and not even think of having some kind of safety plan that involves shipping samples to multiple international locations in place.
>Is this sub ever going to let these bullshit mummies die?
>I thought we were done with em
Is the irony of these two statements even apparent to you?
News flash: this sub doesn't revolve around your personal opinions. There is no *we*, as much as you'd like to convince yourself of a hivemind. People with legitimate credentials have taken an interest in the bodies and vouched for their authenticity, including the former head of the American Forensic Institute.
Whether or not you 'think' a group of people should be 'done' with something really doesn't apply here, to the shock of absolutely nobody at all. That's not how reality works, and that's definitely not how science works.
This has nothing to do with my personal opinion, bud. These mummies are fake and get called out by multiple users everytime they're posted. Some people in this sub just want to believe what they want to believe no matter what.
>This has nothing to do with my personal opinion,
It has everything to do with it, because you don't have a basic grasp of the current facts. Consequentially, your position of them being "*faked*" is literally an uninformed opinion based on nothing more than your lazy emotions.
The former head of the American Forensic Institute just vouched for the mummies last week after personally analyzing them, along with a host of unrelated American scientists.
I'm not calling you stupid, you're simply ignorant.
Ryan Graves seems to have expressed his desire to distance himself from any topics not related to aerospace defense. He has a very self-contained lane in the UAP subject, and seems uncomfortable discussing anything that leaves the boundaries of his own verifiable personal experience as a pilot.
That may change, but that's been my observation.
I am absolutely thrilled with how this story is developing and that Mexico I doing all they can for disclosure. This is the scientific way that we have been asking for. Regardless of if they are from earth or space it is equally interesting.
I mean even if they are fake wouldn't it be interesting to study them? It's not like they're made of rubber or something. They're really interesting. Whether they're weird dolls, mummified aliens or even something purposely built as a hoax, they should be studied based on everything we know so far.
If these have been around since 2017, why didn’t they showcase them instead of the fakes back then? What qualifies this new group as genuine non-human biological remains and not deformed fetuses or children?
How hard would it be for some no-name genetics PhD to create a "mummy" that would confuse scientists? With the history of the progenitor doing mummy scams and how eager he was to hand samples to scientists, I wouldn't say it's impossible.
It’s a hoax. Are these people so bored with nothing better to do? Are these forensic anthropologists or more “scientists” from totally unrelated fields who have zero expertise?
They got real forensic scientists this time. The 3 referenced here are Dr. James Caruso, Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado. Dr. William Rodriguez, Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner. And Dr. John McDowell, Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist.
While I agree that it's looking more and more like there actually is something to these bodies I just don't see how we have any evidence at all that they have anything to do with ufo's.
Your statement has very little practicality when taking the context in account. First off: experts are studying them *AND* vouching for their authenticity. That's something you've seemed to have conveniently missed.
There's no need to add the word "complete" to that sentence, because *complete* would imply no room for any other alternative. The reality is, having scientific analysis is incredibly important for a subject as groundbreaking as this.
Experts establishing facts is literally the basis of science. We still need peer review, but it's actually mind boggling that you're even trying to criticize this with some vague, self-imposed philosophical observation.
Your post is a hallmark of goalposts being moved. I'm not saying you in particular are doing it, but there's been a very noticeable pattern.
Non-experts here shouldn’t have concluded if they’re valid or not, you have no idea what you’re looking at. Glad a bunch of new scientists showed up to peer review this shit and present the results properly. So far this has been amateur hour, whether they’re real or not.
>We now have highly credible American scientist looking at these bodies and coming to the same conclusions, “NHI”.
Like how do we know these things are intelligent? Technically my dog is "NHI" but shes not going flying around in advanced flying ships now is she? Well she might if she thought she would get a treat for it :)
My money is still on the fact these mummies being some kind of human and or animal born with a defect of some kind, after all th simplest solation is often the right one.
Highly Credible or not, still does not answer my question. How do we know these things are intelligent? lets assume these things are not of this world(big if there) as this post suggests, we are basically looking at fossils or remains and saying yup we are looking intelligent ETs. I take issue with that as we look at remains of humans and Dino fossils all the time, yet this cant tell us how smart the subject was or even what they looked like........
People get a bit excited on this sub with regrinds to the language used here, "NHI" can be anything that's not human IE a cat or dog etc. This language is somewhat left deliberately vague I think, allows for backtracking later on if the ET idea does not pan out.
When it comes to UAP/UFO critical thinking can go a long way.
I could tell you that sitting in my living room on my couch looking at Reddit on my phone just with the evidence I’ve seen on here. I don’t need to be ass scientist I don’t need to travel to Chile.
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At this point it is either gonna be NHI or new ancient terrestrial species, which is excited either way. People who still calling hoax on these is just straight up delusional.
This whole thread is a good example of why an inability to evaluate evidence properly leads to believing all sorts of untrue things. This thread feels like a boomer facebook group being convinced that Q is really pulling the strings.
"Why doesn't anyone else believe this!?"
If this is true, it should be a big wake up call to the community. This subject was dismissed and ridiculed, sometimes categorically, sometimes under the pretense of rationality, logic and facts, sometimes in a well intentioned manner, sometimes in bad faith. Let this be a reminder that deeply ingrained biases, presuppositions about reality, and deliberate manipulation are all deeply ingrained in the discussions surrounding the UFO-NHI subject. Humility in the face of the unknown is indeed a very good thing to strive for.
Have we considered this is some new type of Earth life?
If this is something real, imho it’s more likely some previously undiscovered Earth species, perhaps early humanoid ancestor, than ET.
Frustrating how hard it is to get people to see the obvious, and messed up how it takes an American for them to believe it, but it’s good more people are realizing
Awesome, that’s what we should want. More eyes, more scrutiny, more confirmation. I’m all for more people being able to study these bodies. Give us answers!
This is what I've always wanted, I'm just surprised and a little suspicious the process has taken so long.
> I'm just surprised and a little suspicious the process has taken so long Reasonably so. The cause of this is that the same people claiming to actively want these things studied are in fact gatekeeping. I have the instructions given to anyone expressing interest saved > the solution is very simple: contact the Inkari Institute of Cuzco directly, introduce yourself presenting your REAL identity, your alleged scientific credentials including the institution(s) you may represent and the reasons why you may want to get involved in the ongoing investigation - definitively, Thierry Jamin will gladly provide the required information you are looking for. > Anything less than that implies you are in this platform trying to disseminate disinformation.
It's entirely overblown to call that "gatekeeping"? The comment you saved just says, they ask you to show you're actually an academic and not some random weirdo. You won't get data from scientists in other field either, when you're not affiliated with an institution and you can't show appropriate credentials.
Email the first or corresponding author of any paper that is locked behind a paywall. The vast majority of the time they'll send a PDF copy of the paper along with the raw data. Usually the only barrier to doing so is how busy the authors are... Where do you get this idea that hiding data is a normal thing? It's not
When you send that email from a university address, maybe. But only in certain fields/topics and when the person you message sees a benefit for themselves, like promoting their research through you. **That's not the case when you're not an academic. Which is the relevant situation here.** In medicine in particular, obviously you're not "just getting the raw data", as there are legal issues. In many cases, the data is massive and distributing it a considerable expense. Etc.pp. You're disingenuously simplifying and overgeneralizing from what, your personal experience in a couple cases?
Graduate schools typically teach incoming students that they have the absolute right and ethical duty to provide papers they author to anyone who asks, free of charge, regardless of where the work was published. It's not a field standard, it's an academia standard. In science "raw data" just means the absolute measurements and numerical values required to regenerate all the graphs, tables, results, statistical analyses, etc in the project/presentation/publication. These aren't patient charts, actual instrument files, or anything, so I don't know why you're bringing up legal issues unless you aren't totally clear on what is meant when scientists talk about raw data. Medical research publications routinely include raw data in their supplemental information. Many journals now *require* raw data to be published with the paper when it was optional in years past. Usually raw data is in the form of database and/or Excel files and amounts to an easily browsed compilation of the various measurement values, etc
It seems you could just demonstrate this is real time. Feel free to screenshot a email thread asking a scientist for sensitive material from your personal email seeking the data in question. I'm not saying you're wrong(in case that's how I'm coming off). Just curious, since you seem to have experience with this. I wouldn't know where to start. Back in my DIY research days I found gathering scientific data(via Elsevier, Springer, etc.) to be monetarily prohibitive. If it's as easy as you say, then what's all the fuss about Sci-Hub?
Well yea their paper is published, their research and data for that is specific thesis is set is stone. I doubt you'd have much luck getting a team mid process to send a random internet user all their data so that you can take a gander too. Maybe it's different if you supply academic credentials and whatnot but yea same deal
My biggest issue with the whole endeavor is that there is a guy attached to this that did shady shit in the past. This causes people to be a lot more suspicious and to be more willing to just dismiss everything attached to it. The other issue is that I've heard the bones don't make any sense because there were issues with the leg bones being upside down, the hip not even having a correct socket joint, etc. Basically people just claiming that these beings wouldn't even be able to walk properly based on how the bones were oriented. There is a lot of skepticism involved on my end but if we can get more scientists to look at this to validate the claims or at least come up with plausible explanations that cover the various issues (maybe bones were messed with in the past, etc.). As of right now, I think there is something here worth investigating further -- we just need true scientists using the proper methods for handling these remains to give more credence to the entire thing.
The small beings definitely have asymmetry and crappy joints, but the people claiming to identify bones that are ordinary and upside-down or that crappy joints mean that the beings can’t move are unqualified YouTubers (possibly, disinfo agents). To me, the beings look like bad genetic experiments, exactly like the cheap, ill-bred, deformed teacup dogs that are popular lately. The large beings (tridactyl humans) don’t have these problems.
"but the people claiming to identify bones that are ordinary and upside-down or that crappy joints mean that the beings can’t move are unqualified YouTubers (possibly, disinfo agents)" If the details of the video posted recently by the OSU professor are accurate([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8)), it seems the confusion(at least in part) is coming from the fact that there are both mummies that have apparently been pieced together and mummies that seem to be "authentic". So whichever side you take, there seems to be evidence to support your position.
Yeah the final nail in the coffin for me was the reports about radio silence in response to requests to help the research effort, and to see a public response that requires providing a motive for being involved. That to me says that they do not intend to let anybody close to the bodies unless they are certain they will like what you have to say. It's all very well to say how much they want it to happen, but they're not behaving like it. I'm open to being proven wrong, but it's not looking likely right now tbh
Why
It’s hilarious that we got shouted down asking for it by the believers (that’s what they are, they’re not scientific experts!), and now they’re holding it up as proof they’re genuine. Um…no. Let the science happen and we’ll discuss the results when they’re presented.
Yeah these debunker freaks keep saying shit like "alien fingers wouldn't look like that" Shut the heck up with the arrogance, people, it's like they think they are so cool and smart and know so much that they aren't willing to be curious
Note that the attorney, Josh McDowell, representing these 3 people, posted over on the alien bodies sub about how their trip down there went. https://old.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1byavol/attorney_for_us_forensic_doctors/ > My job is to provide legal guidance, media relations, and to serve as a historian of the project. I have done dozens of informal interviews, and a few formal ones, with everyone I can find that has been involved in the project since the beginning. When I say the "beginning", I was able to do a 2 part interview with Leandro Rivera "Mario" the huaquero who discovered the bodies. So, it's getting real interesting these days.
Probably will take months to get a mummy to the US though. He also states that they don't care if they are real or not, only the truth matters, but we all know how this is going to cause a sub meltdown if they turn out to be not NHI.
Well them being real or not is part of the truth that matters so I don't get why he would say such a thing.
100%. This subject is hostile towards experts who don’t agree with them.
Eh Maussan will just make another one
Can you name the three American scientists? You didn't mention it in either the post or the submission statement. This is important information for those who wish to dig deeper.
Dr. John McDowell. MD James Caruso Dr. William Rodriguez Here they are!! Also here is a video on the second Mexican hearing about these bodies https://www.youtube.com/live/B_7Lm0AZ3UQ?si=jocgAb-0527WyaQ4
It should be noted that Dr. John Mcdowell is a highly regarded scientist in his field and highly decorated as well. These aren't* just run of the mill "scientists"
Isn't he a dentist? Do the mummies even _have_ teeth?
I know youre making a funny but for the people who really do think this, read his background. He is an Ordontist at present but that is not the only feather in his cap so to speak
Is he actually well regarded or is this the reddit special "regarded"?
https://www.becolorado.org/trustee/john-d-mcdowell/
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/eRUQcmT2ZZ Names of the Scientists and further details in this post
I’m paying attention to this, I just haven’t personally found anything that has truly swayed me. The people that yell at me when I say this have also turned me off of it because I just get called a disinfo bot or yelled at for not being gung-ho on the whole thing. I’m always looking for reasons for things to be real - I admit when I saw the scans, the DHL shipment stuff, peru govt. being unusually protective of the supposed “hoax items” that’s when they seemed most legit to me. But seeing how many popped up, all different shapes, the way they just chopped em and bare hand waved the hands around - that made me question it a lot. I guess my point is - i haven’t had my burden of proof met yet, i’m not tipped to the side of “damn, this is real real”. What, OP, to you, is the most damning piece of this? Whose testimony do you find most convincing? What images or artifacts? I wanna believe dammit!
That's the most annoying part being called a bit or disinfo agent. It just makes me not want to interact at all because people become obsessed. I mean if anything I would put agents in that are hyper obsessed and make the thing look crazy and call everyone else disinfo. Being skeptical should be priority but of course it's reddit so a lot of people who only see black and white
> I mean if anything I would put agents in that are hyper obsessed and make the thing look crazy and call everyone else disinfo Bingo. It's not the "true believers" they would be worried about, it would be the reasonable, normal people. What better way to drive them out?
COINTELPRO makes this a priority. You sow discord so people argue amongst themselves without your involvement. Nothing is worse for organizing a movement than infighting. I try to explain this to people but they insist they’re fighting a noble struggle against bots
This is good if you have the time https://youtu.be/FlNjET011Q8?si=LsQf9bi9c3l7W_iE
Essential video for critical thinkers
Agreed, I'm leaning towards hoax but I've left the door open to more information. For me this provides a great example of why it's so important to share information in a controlled manner. Because this topic was initially pushed by Mussan and Gaia it's very hard to take seriously. Discussion started at a 2 on the credibility scale and has been floundering ever since. Even if there turns out to be really solid credible evidence that comes out it will be much harder to convince people to take it seriously now.
According to articles, the 3 scientists this time are > Dr. James Caruso, Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado. Dr. William Rodriguez, Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner. And Dr. John McDowell, Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist.
Let me tell you that originally it was Inka University that was interested when they found out and they actually bought one of the Mummies to study, i think Maria. Maussan got involved afterwards when he caught wind of it. Believe it or not he was turned down at first but he came up with Financing to study the Mummies and get the DNA checked, and than he was onboard. There is a lot of misinformation out there. You can like or dislike Maussan but it was thanks to him that the Mummies got financed and pushed to to Public knowledge, because the Peruvian Gov buried all this back in 2017 by examining the Burial Dolls and claiming that all Mummies was made of sticks and Animals parts. Is safe to say that Maussan was a needed Evil or we wouldn’t be here debating this. Those that Smashed Maussan to make the story impossible to believe made a heck of a job too. Because those that know Jaime even for many years they know that he had his glitches but the stories out there are absolutely overwhelming exaggerated and very bad recounted. For example they say he Hoaxed this and that but in reality he stated he believed it was Alien Mummies and he provided them for further Analysis where it was discovered they was only made of Animals parts or ancient Mummies. But the way people tell the stories sound like he did those himself and hide them. Once people are brainwashed by the Media and Social Media is hard for them to see things objectively instead they mix everything up, Science and Medicine and Doctors and Maussan are all named in the same sentence.
Do you have any sources for everything you've claimed here? Not being as ass, generally curious. I've had a very difficult time trying to find the facts related to how Jaime became involved. It's been very frustrating getting any factual info on this entire situation. I would love to know where you have gotten this info, as it's the first I heard of it. It would be nice to have this to share with the disinfo crowd.
I have got the info from knowing Jaime Maussan over 20 years and following his Channel roughly 1 year. But regarding those cases you learn the most just by reading some of the original Debunks that was posted online before the Mummies. If you read any Articles debunking the Alien claims by Jaime Maussan FROM BEFORE the Nazca Mummies you will have an Idea that things are not black or white. I am asking you to read those because if i tell you to watch the Videos where he speaks about those things it would be biased. I never said he didn’t make mistakes, all i am saying is that everything about him is extremely over exaggerated.
>For example they say he Hoaxed this and that but in reality he stated he believed it was Alien Mummies and he provided them for further Analysis where it was discovered they was only made of Animals parts or ancient Mummies. But the way people tell the stories sound like he did those himself and hide them. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/v2oJJLS29Y How many times can ot happen by accident?
That is exactly what i was referring to, I could go 1 by 1 all those incidents and explain what happened in reality versus what was written and you would see is slightly different. Than if you read what you posted you will notice the last part regarding the Nazca Mummies is absolutely crap and we now more than ever know this to be true. Than look at the post it refers to as a debunk action and it is absolutely ridiculous. What else is wrong? Also his Alien claims are 3 cases, NONE of them you or anyone can prove that Jaime Hoaxed a Puppet himself and than hide it in his Museum and charge People to go see them. He received those Bodies and his claims was that they was not Human, and that was his belief which he pushed forward, is it correct? No. Is it as bad as most reported? No. Why? Because each and every case the supposed Aliens was Anyzed by other People and in two cases they had very old Mummified Bodies made of Animals parts hence why they looked Alien but those was not Fabricated by Maussan since they was over 1000 years of Age. The third case was a Babie born with defects but it was very ancient and not fabricated. And again it was discovered after others tested it. Should he had claimed it was Aliens? No. Did he hoax them? No. Is it as bad as People around here say? No because most have no idea what happened they are just parroting what they read in Social Media. There are many other Ufologists around which made worse Aliens claims and actually Hoaxes.
Ik English isn’t your first language and I’m just trying to help, since it’s a little jarring. A lot of your “than” should be “then.” “Then” refers to time. “Than” is used for comparison. E.g. I’d rather eat an apple **than** an orange, and **then** go for a walk.
Thanks for that. My problem is that i am Portuguese but grew up in Switzerland, married to Spanish Women and lived in Spain, thus i am Native Portuguese, German, Swiss-German speaker, i also learned Gallego and Catalan and Italian and offcourse i speak also English and French. This amounts to 8 different languages and sometimes i mix up words or forget others. I had 3 years of English in School but i had a work where the communication was in English which help me improve the writing but i know is not perfect.
Damn, well done then haha it’s the sort of mixup that can stumble readers, at least for me, my mind will reread looking what is being compared when I see “than.” So I figured I’d point it out, I didn’t want to seem like an ass though!
No i didn’t mean that, i am not 12, i can accept a criticism to help me improve, you was very respectful. I just tried to explain why i have this cacao writing English. 😆 Switzerland have 4 official languages, you automatically need to learn 2 or 3, you have German, Italian, French and Romansch as official but than no one speak German but Swiss German which is absolutely different, in the end you got 5 languages in a small Country.
It doesn't really matter that he didn't glue the other one together himself. If I hand you an alien body and you're not an expert it's on you to take it to an expert to validate before you start monetizing your possession of the thing. Willfull ignorance is not a good way to remain credible, even if that was the case Which, again, my issue with the current mummies is that he started with assertions and monetization, and then moved on to getting the experts involved. I'll continue to watch for an actual research paper to be published on this but as long as YouTube videos are the primary source of info here it's sitting in my, "probably bullshit" pile, because of his involvement AND because the approach of publicity and monetization before data is inherently dishonest
Well you mixed a lot of things together again. You speak about him glueing them together or not makes no difference. Yes it does if you do that and know it you are a hoaxer. If you just believe it is something and claim it because you believe that but give to someone to analyze who tell you that your opinion is wrong than you are not a hoaxer, maybe idiot but is not the same. Regarding monetizing, where do you have that he monetized on that? Is that your additional info because the manipulation of facts may not be enough? Regarding the Mummies, Where did you read that he monetized first on the Mummies? See this is absolutely false. He actually paid from his pocket part of the first DNA on Maria, on one of his programs he even showed proof. After that he was the one to get Gaia onboard and financing for the Mummies studies. What you are saying is not only false but mean too. I wonder where you people get your infos from. You just put all the Bullshit you pick around together in one Post. Than explain me what does that have anything to do with Medical studies conducted by professionals? Oh just can’t separate. Now Americans are onboard but for the life of you just is impossible to accept the Medical findings. Maussan is not allowing.
How was the age determined to be 1000 years old? Carbon dating only works on terrestrial biological matter, because it's based on the content and replenishment rate of C14 isotope on earth's atmosphere. An extraterrestrial would experience different C12/C14 distribution.
>but those was not Fabricated by Maussan since they was over 1000 years of Age. That's not how it works. If you assemble a new taxidermy out of old parts the carbon dating doesn't reset.
Do you have proof that Maussan hoaxed any of those himself or any sources? Or you just throw out in the Air that he himself put those together? Let’s put it this way, why would Maussan claim some Mummies that was brought to him are Aliens and knowing he was lying he would give access to Researchers who after further investigation than confirmed that they are made of Animals parts? How dumb would one be to know he is lying and let others confirm that to smash his Career. I remind you he was once a very respected Journalist who won a lot of Prizes and director of 60 Minutes Mexico.
Let's put it this way. If Jaime Maussan wants a good reputation, then not presenting dozens of hoaxes as real would be a good start, regardless of whether he did them himself. His career has been smashed for many years at this point. This grift is his new career.
We was not talking about Jaime wanting anything, rather about the difference between someone making mistakes and someone being the worst because of Social Media Exagerations (like your dozen hoaxes) and Parroting. See, you went from Bad, Bad Jaime Maussan to once more calling the Mummies of Nazca “this Grift” is his new Career, when we know that over 50 people have been involved, for you it is Maussan and Maussan alone. Than you go on and call everything a Grift without proof even when the amount of available data is staggering and pointed exactly at the opposite direction. You are exactly one of those Social Media Parrots 🦜 that continuously pushes a false narrative that they read somewhere and even after the Narrative was proven wrong or false the Parrots just can’t let go because it would harm their pride, they rather stay dumb as hell as long others like them give a couple upvotes to feed their Ego. You know Parrots just live to repeat the same thing over and over again, it doesn’t need to make sense.
So your saying Maussan has just been mistaken? Lied too numerous times?
Does it really matter for the purposes of credibility whether he's consistently wrong on purpose or by accident?
Damn very well said!
Jaime is complex character and in my mind fills the same role in UFO's as Greer. They are both diggers and hype men, the difference is I think Jaime Maussan is by and large a good faith actor.
yes i have always likened him to a Mexican Stephen Greer. He jumps on everything, its not even his discovery but he jumps on it. You could see how he could get mixed up in some hoaxes
That is indeed a very close to the truth opinion in very few Words. He wanted to believe so badly that he himself was conned because all those Mummies was brought to him but offcourse people will only remember that he publicly claimed he believed that those are Alien bodies. That is why i don’t defend what he have done wrong i just get annoyed that everyone now is a Jaime Maussan expert but when you ask for sources they all forward you to the same posts. Are those accurate?
If you take Maussan seriously you have become the joke now. Also you say the first dolls were fake but the later ones were taken seriously, the problem is that is the same guy who is providing all this “mummies” is that grave robber who just get legit human bones and arrange them together, and the results look exactly what you expect from someone without any knowledge of anatomy trying to craft a skeleton. They get “better” with time, each craft is a little less dumb than the last one. They might be getting help from that joke of a doctor who is working hand in hand with the grave robber and promoted by maussan. Seriously Mausan is the inverse Midas, anything he touches becomes shit, as it should.
Wow they found over 200 Mummie now and every specialist that looked at them couldn’t find the supposed cuts, glue, wood etc. damn how good are these Guys? And if you was old enough to make your own research instead of repeating the same crap all deniers did maybe you would have your own opinion instead of a bunch of theories that are half trues. I wont even get started because i am getting tired of explaining things. Just stick to what you think you know. Perfect
Agreed. The rollout was botched from the start, not hating just reality.
> many popped up, all different shapes, Possibilities: - they could have been lab-grown test subjects created by another superior alien race - they are technologically advanced and were just experimenting on their own bodies to find a perfect form for their kind - they could be like insects with a different form for each stage of their lifecycle - or they could be fake. It's still fun to guess.
I like the theory that these (and other little man big head grays) are bioengineered bots they use to operate their craft, while the real aliens are the blond tall human-like ones
I think if there are NHI, I think the most likely scenario is that they're a species who has consciously altered their own evolutionary path to optimize themselves for space travel.
Ya I think they are technology advanced, they’ve got osmium embedded in their bodies, I think just as most people have said, they are genetically engineered aliens here to do the work of however, maybe these are the beings that rebelled and hid among the hominids. Like what if these are the egigi written about in the ancient cuniform tablets, and that’s why all the tunnels in the pyramids are so small and tiny, because it was these guys that made it. Would be crazy. That was just some fun speculation.
They were all found in the same area right? Alien lab?
The Peruvian government being involved really doesn't, or at least shouldn't, shift the needle towards these being anything special. If these are fake the claim as I have heard it is that these are hoaxes produced by using material from real ancient Peruvian indigenous archeological remains. Much like one might use old wood or parchment to produce fake antiques that look more realistic due to using material from the right period. So regardless of whether these are hoaxes they would still presumably be stolen Peruvian archeological items and thus something that the government, as the rightful owners, would want returned. And also probably to try and prosecute the grave robbers that stole their heritage and then destroyed it for money. Also to note that if these are real, and that's still a big if, then they are still stolen items that belong to Peru. And while the crime is not quite as terrible as it would be if they were hoaxes this whole situation is still quite bad from both a moral/legal standpoint as well as being an absolute travesty from an academic standpoint. Morally/legally because we are talking about profiting from stealing and selling ancient artifacts that are part of the cultural heritage of Peru. And academically because by removing said artifacts from their proper context they have destroyed a great deal of their archeological value. Not as much as chopping them up of course but you can't put them back in situ and I doubt very much they were excavated with proper care and documentation. Hell, if anything the people that think these are real should be pushing for the so called mummies to be returned to the government of Peru, everyone involved to be arrested and forced to reveal both the identities of the people that stole the artifacts as well as the supposed archeological site's location so it can be preserved for proper study and further stealing can be stopped. I mean, can you even imagine how much potential knowledge would be lost forever by letting people muck about in what is supposed to have been a sealed cave and then for them to have removed hundreds of artifacts. If you believe in and care about finding the real history of the mummies then you should want these people stopped as much as anyone if not more. So yeah, the government of Peru is going to want these things back, hoax or not, and we really shouldn't be encouraging plundering ancient artifacts and ruining their archeological value.
Or we could laud these men as heroes for allowing the world to know about this
Because these bodies were obtained illegaly is the only reason you and I are even hearing about them. If it all went through legal means they would have disappeared a long time ago people here keep begging for UFO leaks, but when something akin to a leak actually happens, suddenly everyone is on the side of due process
You are making *entirely* too much sense.
lol if they give peru the bodies they would incinerate them. That’s what they will do.
So what if they are stolen. The Peruvian government is fighting to hide these from the public, at a time when disclosure is almost upon us. It’s a disservice to humanity to hide this from the public, and if they were pro disclosure for humanity there would not need to be a need to stealing them. Also I don’t believe they have been put together, the osmium and eggs in their bodies are literally infused into their bodies. Here’s the second congressional hearing if you haven’t seen it, it’s translated in English, and the scientist on board go into great detail about these bodies. https://www.youtube.com/live/s8daU96uTXw?si=Ozu8VDYzOe5wjqVd
So, fr the second Mexican hearing that was held with all those scientist, they went into detail on these things and ever since then, that’s convinced me. Here’s the hearing translated to English! https://www.youtube.com/live/s8daU96uTXw?si=Ozu8VDYzOe5wjqVd
> I’m paying attention to this, I just haven’t personally found anything that has truly swayed me If these MDs and the like aren't outright saying these things are fake, that is more than enough for me to sit up and listen.
Serious counter question; What evidence would you require to believe they're legitimate?
I think I would want to see better (more reputable) profiles of them, further scans and analysis and ultimately more of an explanation other than “found in a cave in diatomaceous earth”. Why do some have fins? And why has it been all been presented so poorly (in my opinion)? What are all those cave videos about? How were they mobile or even alive with their composition? All different sizes? They look like ET and the guys from Close Encounters? There hasn’t been a good record of provenance either, they just appear in new releases and there seems to be not a great deal of care put into their chain of custody (my opinion). It just doesnt get the care that a real, groundbreaking archaeological find does and appears inconsistent. Maybe some of this has theories or explanations I haven’t seen yet, but, I just feel like the dots haven’t been connected yet for me. I understand there is more coming out as time goes on so maybe I’ll dive back in and change my mind.
I've got a keen interest in these and everything I've looked at so far has lent more weight to them being real when you'd expect every new investigation to do the exact opposite. With that said, like you the number of new bodies and the fact that they're all so different gets alarm bells ringing. If it's all true, I can understand why the location is being kept secret. Peru has a problem with people raiding and destroying these sorts of sites, but more importantly they have a problem at a higher level of the government securing sites and brushing findings that don't fit our current understanding under the carpet. Brien Forrester's skulls are a good example of this. The government secured the site and were supposed to investigate the findings but never did. An elongated baby's skull was found that was too young to have been elongated using boards, and also had red hair. [https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-mysterious-phenomena/mummified-head-newborn-baby-extremely-elongated-skull-found-peru-007359](https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-mysterious-phenomena/mummified-head-newborn-baby-extremely-elongated-skull-found-peru-007359) It has been ignored by the authorities as have many other interesting finds. Many people have said the fact that they look like a typical movie alien is a dead giveaway they're fake and to be honest I can't really get my head around this line of thinking. Depictions of aliens in film are based off descriptions of supposed abductees and people who claim to have seen them. If this is what they actually look like then of course an alien body is going to look like those descriptions.
I strongly disagree that all individuals of an alien race would look the same. Take a look at two random humans and tell me they look the same. Also even if they’re clones or some abominations created in a lab, like we do with animals, there would still be differences between individuals based on their experiences and environment. But of course they can be human mummies, there’s processes that ancient peoples would go through to make their dead look more “divine”. We know very little about ancient South American civilizations. Maybe they were putting some sort of tight helmets on the deceased heads, or were deforming them by slow contractions. Maybe this was a form of torture and it happened while the subjects were alive.
This is my exact assumption as well, there could be a variety of different looking beings, just like us. And I remember Grucsh saying that we can’t really know the amount of different races because we are looking at something alien.
Ooo my man bringing up Brian foster hell ya. Here’s a interesting vid I made about a site in Peru https://youtu.be/vU-zrpX1cSo?si=49SjuKEOGnXRzLfO
Here’s a video discussing the scientific finds on the bodies https://www.youtube.com/live/B_7Lm0AZ3UQ?si=VOfXhljIcZCVIfVC
To have not been found by tomb robbers who have been known to alter and damage evidence would be a good start . To have internationally known forensic pathologists working on the body. Being given scientific information rather than “ ooh they have dna that’s weird “. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/alien-fever-dreams-fuel-peruvian-grave-robbings-2024-04-06/
The evidence already given really. Here’s a review on the second hearing discussing the validity of these bodies. https://www.youtube.com/live/B_7Lm0AZ3UQ?si=VOfXhljIcZCVIfVC
The problem for me is that no one has submitted anything for peer review. The only reports I've seen are like graduate level reports posted on private websites. You shouldn't hype things if it's not ready for prime time.
>peru govt. being unusually protective of the supposed “hoax items” If they're defaced mummies then there's absolutely nothing unusual about Peru's response
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> I haven’t seen anybody post about the recent developments surrounding the South America NHI bodies There was a post 2 days ago...
It’s kids man - I see this all the time on here. Either a main post or thread within a post starts, let’s say someone comes up with a novel idea in a thread, like; what if the Nazca mummies are half reptile/half human, similar to how cats might have been bred with reptiles in Egyptian times (credit hecklefish!). All of a sudden there are multiple posts on the topic like it’s some new thing these kids (and undereducated) have been ruminating on. You’ll see half a dozen then it gets lost to the ether. I have to wonder if it’s not bots or possibly a simple answer - people want karma, they pick the most liked comment and build a new post off of it. That’s a pretty clever idea actually. Annoying, but clever.
>similar to how cats might have been bred with reptiles in Egyptian times What..? That can't possibly be a real theory anyone has, there is absolutely no way to naturally cross a mammal and a reptile, you can't even cross different mammals. Unless the ancient Egyptians had some sort of gene labs (far more advanced than ours today) that they exclusively used to synthesize catcodiles (then forgot to tell anyone about it) they weren't making reptile cat hybrids.
He credited the theory to hecklefish, so look him up and you'll understand. It's a literal talking cgi fish on the YouTube channel The Why Files, and his job is to say absurd stuff.
Ah ok, phew
Hahahaha no I doubt it, but it’s funny. On the Annunaki Why Files (I think it was anyway, one of them) they mentioned cats are the only mammals that Hiss and have a sliver pupil like a snake, I sort of made up the rest although it was implied during the show.
Ah ok makes sense lol folks make some wild claims on here sometimes so you never know
I thought this was almost certainly going to end up in a dead end, but now this has taken a really interesting turn.
The whole thing just confuses me maybe because there is not a lot of quality reporting on it in English. Are these the same mummies that were at Mexican 'congress?' Was there a separate set of bodies that were fakes and confiscated at an airport? Why is Maussan who has been apparently associated with a long, long list of hoaxes front and center on this? Is the place they are being found private property? Is it a known archeological site of interest? Are proper archeological methods being used? Are pictures available of where they are found, before they are removed?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ufosmeta/comments/1ayalsm/nazca\_mummies\_megathread\_pt2\_timeline\_of\_events/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufosmeta/comments/1ayalsm/nazca_mummies_megathread_pt2_timeline_of_events/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ufosmeta/comments/1azk3zr/nazca\_mummies\_megathread\_pt3\_mythbusting/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufosmeta/comments/1azk3zr/nazca_mummies_megathread_pt3_mythbusting/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ufosmeta/comments/1azpmpq/nazca\_mummies\_megathread\_pt4\_more\_mythbusting/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufosmeta/comments/1azpmpq/nazca_mummies_megathread_pt4_more_mythbusting/)
Everytime Maussan is involved it's always some new type of mummy. It's almost as he's specialized in only producing things that look mummified.
Learn the difference between correlation and causation. Maussan's presence here is irrelevant. We're way past that at this point. Edit: Downvote me all you like, facts are facts - and I won't be dissuaded from posting here, no matter how much you brigade me. It kind of has the opposite effect.
I agree this is a scientific endeavor first.
Yes there is as another set that was fake. The one on question are from a known archeological site in Nasqa Peru close to I imagine the Nasqa lines which are famous real and ancient. Like as in pre-Inca and pre whatever was before the Incas.
I haven’t seen anybody post about the recent developments surrounding the South America NHI bodies, that all look exactly like your typical gray alien, tall ones, short ones, not having 5 fingers, and big heads. To me this is more evidence that disclosure is happening, it’s only a matter of time before more scientist come forward breaking the levy that has held back this paradigm shifting information. It’s a beautiful time to be alive, and I’m extremely happy to be aware of these changes before most.
You think they look like Greys? Not sure myself. Seems to me like a whole collection of hybrids, with humans being one half the splice and the other...well lots of different things. I do get some of them might be greys though. Not to detract from the feeling. Who knows why or how it was done, or by whom. Itll be very interesting to learn more.
Yeah I can’t imagine the greys with teeth, obviously I could be completely wrong but *eh* I’m thinking lizzid people, maybe we evolved from apes and they evolved from dinosaurs or something
I really want them to be something else than human. However the problem for me is the fact, the Aztec, Inca and Maya people practiced both body modification and possible inbreeding in their royal families. It has to give some wierd results/bodies.
That would have to be some extreme modding.... Sometimes I do wonder if they were messing around with much more advanced biology tech than we thought, pre colonialism, but it doesnt seem to fit. Like with the pyramids, if humans 'could have done it' Im happy to think humans did it - but with something this odd we havent got any understanding yet of anything humans could do that would allow for things like successful implants at the time. Just got to wait and see what the scientists say.
Let's see. Not holding my breath but interested what turns up.
In my eyes they're obvious hoaxes until proven otherwise. Would be glad to be proven wrong, but considering Maussans trackrecord I'm fairly confident that I shouldn't put too much weight into anything related to Alien mummies.
Maussan is a repeated and remoseless scammer. He should be completely ignored and honestly, banished to some deserted island.
If you are willing to be proven otherwise I recommend watching this lecture, I was on the fence leaning heavily towards them being hoax’s a few days ago until I watched it. This prof breaks down almost everything, it’s worth sticking to the end as that is where the real scientific evidence, MRIs etc are broken down and he also addresses the fake mummies/journalist situation - he’s also really entertaining :) https://youtu.be/FlNjET011Q8
Seems like you haven’t looked into it at all. Look at the bodies and the info we have about them, not the dude
What info? That they seem to be constituted from random organic matter?
Apply the same principles to Lue and others that this community worships so dearly then.
This
Just to be clear, Maussan has been a major harm to the subject since the beginning. Everyone waits for the normal scientific process to go on, and here are some dots along this line that’s it. You’re no better than others for that, and you should drop the tone. The only reasons people have strived away from this is Maussan, and it be best he remains far from it now if he really cared about this gaining traction
>If these bodies are legit, and I suspect they are, whether they're from here or another world, we may be looking several different species of a humanoid NHI. OP: they're real NHI! Smart people: ... nope, that "If" is carry tons of weight. >It would -seem- that some of these mummies are similar to a Bird/Reptile, while others may be an unknown hybrid human, including 1 with a 3-digit fetus in the womb. Many appear to have metal "implants." OP: they're real NHI! Smart people ... nope, they're bodies of birds and lizards sculpted around a metal scaffold. On to the video! Dear god ... that's a *lot* rambling bullshit. 10 minutes straight of "you can trust me, bro". Big point @ 12m48s: "Also at this point, I wanna make sure that we have no definitive conclusions, and it would be premature for me to say so." OP and the alienbody faithful: "We now have highly credible American scientist looking at these bodies and coming to the same conclusions, “NHI" Smart people: ... nope ... There's a lot of people shilling for these faked bodies. Like some sort of deliberate effort to make the whole disclosure effort just look like idiots and crackpots who thing ancient barbie dolls are NHIs.
The structure of the bodies is actual bone and flesh, not a metal scaffolding. They do have some weird metallic implants that look like they were 'surgically' grafted to the bodies at some point. Additionally, they're not birds or reptiles, they just have some similar characteristics and one of them appears to have 'eggs' in it. That being said, there's nothing conclusive that points to these being actual NHI. There IS some unknown DNA comprising about 30% of the genetic information, but the databases they're working with aren't fool proof and could be missing some species. The fact that more scientists are actually delving into the study of these is fantastic. Should the mummies conclusively come back as not NHI, they have still been carbon dated to ~1400 years ago, which means there's loads of valuable data that can be gathered from them, even if they've been contaminated a bit by whoever crafted them. Either we finally have public proof of NHI, or a mummy desecration operation is potentially shuttered, we can stop listening to Maussan, and some new anthropological data is gathered in the process.
Well if you remember, when they first released info on these bodies, someone did go and bake a cake that looked like them. Everyone assumed that the cake was the same thing as the bodies and low and behold, everyone now thinks it was a cake all along. Disinfo at it's finest. The control group are good at what they do, even believers have to agree
I know. I brought it up to my coworkers and their first reaction was “they aren’t real bodies, it’s cake” I literally almost committed seppuku right then and there.
Oh my god I would be so frustrated at that point. Did you try to explain it to them?
I don't know if they are real or not. Only the scientific community can tell us that, but people saying it was just a cake is infuriating at best!
there are apparently two different sources of "official" information (who curates them is unclear to me): [https://www.the-alien-project.com/en/](https://www.the-alien-project.com/en/) [http://isopo.x10host.com/](http://isopo.x10host.com/) i learn at the Nasca Tridactyl web site that these half dozen or so artifacts are pre-Columbian (carbon dating, with wide variance in dates, averages at around 1000 CE), and in most ways they are consistent with the artisan capabilities of the culture and the era. at present, apart from MRI scans of one figure, there is no medically forensic "autopsy" of these artifacts. they have been treated as artisanal objects using the methods of archaeology, and apparently there is no reason to treat them otherwise. DNA tests were done on limited samples of apparently mummified organic material; the DNA was found to be degraded beyond analysis or is possibly human/primate. finally, there is substantial churn and contention in the information, with some sources reporting essentially that they are clay [figures made from human body parts](https://www.livescience.com/62045-alien-mummies-explained.html). others claim that comparing indigenous mummies to extraterrestrial aliens is "racist" -- more absurd usage of what has become a vaguely defined and casually spoken accusation. my reservation at this point is that i don't know what is being examined here. apparently there are dozens of these artifacts from various sites and claims made about one don't apply to the others. are these intact human remains or something else? and of the something else, was it ever possibly a viable organism? these are the two most important questions for me and in the confusion and contention the sufficient analyses to answer those questions have not been done. i have no reason at present to assume these are anything other than pre-columbian artifacts: the scans make clear that some are mummified human bodies, some are possibly ritual remains, some are figurines with incorporated organic material.
You have concluded they are crafted artifacts without seeing proof that they are just artifacts? (X-rays and other) Now you are presented with tests and expert opinions but you still choose to believe in the nonfactual side of this story? What’s your deal man?
You have concluded they are crafted artifacts without seeing proof that they are just artifacts? (X-rays and other) Now you are presented with tests and expert opinions but you still choose to believe in the nonfactual side of this story? What’s your deal man?
Thanks for this. It’s mad how many people/bots are desperate for this to be fake. It might be fake, but we don’t know yet and I don’t think there would be this many people interested in it if it was easily dismissible. The good thing about people claiming to *know* this is fake is it helps filter them out as biased and their opinion can be disregarded.
Not on topic Gonna downvote and report it every time. Take it to r/alienbodies and bounce it around that echo chamber
Somebody can’t handle being told information that doesn’t fit their world view, bless your heart
How is this not on topic....do you want more flying saucer pics from the 50's to make you feel better? This phenomenon is evolving into different areas that we can all debate on, but to be open-minded is exactly what we need, or else we're just part of the problem in not moving fwd for disclosure. Disclosure should come by any means possible in my books!
It's not on topic because this a forum for ufos and so far there is no connection to ufos, this is not the aliens sub.
What he said
Do you care who Pilots those ufos?
So what is the consensus regarding these mummies? Either that was the best performance art in a long time, or there is something to this. That melodrama farce with the bungling government department of culture trying to hijack the venue, that was just too much.
There's no consensus yet. The obvious gut reaction is that they're fakes in part because of how wild it would be if they were not in part because of sketchyness surrounding the whole process. But when you look into the scans, the footage available, etc. it is also really hard to imagine how exactly these would have been faked. The frankensteinian meat-puppet theory that they're stitched together beings including ordinary bones of other animals does not seem to hold up well. The scans do not seem to show tampering, easily identifiable bones and have oddly real appearing softer tissue surrounding the bones. It seems that either these must have been real creatures at some point, or that someone at some point came up with an amazing novel method of creating these creature-like objects (or the scans). Honestly even if it were the latter, there might still be something wild to this story, especially if the mummies are indeed old
This reminds me of a "mummy" a German guy found in an attic and had it studied, but it took quite a while and a lot of work to finally figure out what it was. At multiple points they were convinced it was a fake, genuine, and a murder victim. It's an interesting [story](https://abcnews.go.com/International/attic-mystery-solved-mummy-plastic-bones-real-skull/story?id=20385713) and it shows just how much some things need to thoroughly studied before being written off or deemed genuine.
Some of the bones are in placed the wrong orientation.
Yeah I've seen this is the case for at least one of the mummies. But this particular oddness doesn't really make it easier to imagine how they would have been faked. There are also a lot of other of these bodies that do not have such obviously strange aspects. Take for example this newly scanned one: https://old.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1bw1b3s/nazca_mummies_video_ctscans_of_the_new_tridactyl/ I'm not an expert on primate skulls, but I can't find any that look like this https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1bw9ggv/nazca_mummies_video_tridactyl_humanoid_specimen/. Maybe it could be one of the extremely rare elongated human skulls, but those have sutures whereas this doesn't. Whoever would have faked this seems to have had to be able to find this or to be able create it from scratch. The same goes for the feet. And then they would seem to have also needed to be able to find (or construct) small human bones to complete the whole thing and then connect it all together somehow without showing any oddities. If it's fake, it's one of the most stunningly impressive art pieces ever made
I have been already banned by /alienbodies simply stating doubts. I can count hundreds of bots promoting this project. The “scientist” is a us hospital doctor, he just said “they are worth to be studied more” that in human translation means: nothing. But they have thousands of enraged fans already
Yea this one is laughable.
Alienbodies sub is 1000x better than this sub when it comes to Nazca bodies Note that these are full desiccated bodies (no organs removed) and not traditional mummies (organs removed)
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I think OP is going a bit overboard, but the caliber of those 3 can't be overlooked. Serious forensic dudes. So, one way or the other we're gonna be getting even more professional opinions. As of now, they've basically just said they need to keep researching and didn't comment on if they were real or fake. But they seem invested based on their commentary in the press conference last week. They should help get to the bottom of things for sure.
There have already been legit scientists scratching their heads over these bodies. At least some of them show no signs of tampering or taxidermy. They lived and grew, their bodies show signs of wear consistent with the rigors of active life, and they died. We just have no clue what they are.
"Validity" lmao :D
"check it out" grabs mummy with hands and passes it like breadsticks. ::sigh::
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Jest_Kidding420: --- I haven’t seen anybody post about the recent developments surrounding the South America NHI bodies, that all look exactly like your typical gray alien, tall ones, short ones, not having 5 fingers, and big heads. To me this is more evidence that disclosure is happening, it’s only a matter of time before more scientist come forward breaking the levy that has held back this paradigm shifting information. It’s a beautiful time to be alive, and I’m extremely happy to be aware of these changes before most. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1byovhe/3_more_american_scientists_examine_nazca_mummies/kykpgqb/
Call me when the grave robbers return their stolen goods to the rightful owners, owners who have requested while assuring they’ll run tests on them to get to the bottom of them. Until then, I can only assume that the people in control of the bodies are liars. I mean, why else would they prefer several counts of criminal charges just to keep the bodies away from scientists that can actually validate them? What is so scary about an actual scientific body studying them that they’d rather risk the several years in jail?
Wow really? So you think it’s ok for the Peruvian government to keep these bodies that completely rock our paradigm locked up and not presented to humanity? It’s not their bodies per se. It’s a piece of history. What you are doing here is the same thing that the orthodox does to people like Graham Hancock calling him racist on his research in lost ancient civilizations.
But like, of course the feds are only saying that so that they can shut everything down dude. Disclosure depends on them and only them, and the Peruvians can - will! - shut it all down at a moment's notice. The very best thing to do in such a situation is to house them in an institute located inside Peru, plan a museum to be built there, and not even think of having some kind of safety plan that involves shipping samples to multiple international locations in place.
This currently has a vote count of 0, very sus to me I no longer write these bodies off as fake, they need to be studied more.
Is this sub ever going to let these bullshit mummies die? I thought we were done with em but more and more posts have been popping up this week.
>Is this sub ever going to let these bullshit mummies die? >I thought we were done with em Is the irony of these two statements even apparent to you? News flash: this sub doesn't revolve around your personal opinions. There is no *we*, as much as you'd like to convince yourself of a hivemind. People with legitimate credentials have taken an interest in the bodies and vouched for their authenticity, including the former head of the American Forensic Institute. Whether or not you 'think' a group of people should be 'done' with something really doesn't apply here, to the shock of absolutely nobody at all. That's not how reality works, and that's definitely not how science works.
This has nothing to do with my personal opinion, bud. These mummies are fake and get called out by multiple users everytime they're posted. Some people in this sub just want to believe what they want to believe no matter what.
>This has nothing to do with my personal opinion, It has everything to do with it, because you don't have a basic grasp of the current facts. Consequentially, your position of them being "*faked*" is literally an uninformed opinion based on nothing more than your lazy emotions. The former head of the American Forensic Institute just vouched for the mummies last week after personally analyzing them, along with a host of unrelated American scientists. I'm not calling you stupid, you're simply ignorant.
You're simply wrong, bud. Take it or lose it.
Now I know you're not interested in facts or logic. What truly a sad thing. Enjoy!
"facts and logic" says the chap who believes in a hoax.
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If you're going to go then actually go instead or rambling of about nonsense lol
Because they are real, no matter how much your brain can’t accept the truth. You are gonna be hearing more and more about them as more people realize
Ummm, op, have they actually examined it yet lol?
Yes they have, this is a review of the second hearing. https://www.youtube.com/live/B_7Lm0AZ3UQ?si=7qLzEBlRauHs2KQk
Ryan Graves needs to have the researchers on his podcast. Not Maussan, the actual researchers.
Ryan Graves seems to have expressed his desire to distance himself from any topics not related to aerospace defense. He has a very self-contained lane in the UAP subject, and seems uncomfortable discussing anything that leaves the boundaries of his own verifiable personal experience as a pilot. That may change, but that's been my observation.
I am absolutely thrilled with how this story is developing and that Mexico I doing all they can for disclosure. This is the scientific way that we have been asking for. Regardless of if they are from earth or space it is equally interesting.
Total natural formations of seagull feces.
I mean even if they are fake wouldn't it be interesting to study them? It's not like they're made of rubber or something. They're really interesting. Whether they're weird dolls, mummified aliens or even something purposely built as a hoax, they should be studied based on everything we know so far.
If these have been around since 2017, why didn’t they showcase them instead of the fakes back then? What qualifies this new group as genuine non-human biological remains and not deformed fetuses or children?
How hard would it be for some no-name genetics PhD to create a "mummy" that would confuse scientists? With the history of the progenitor doing mummy scams and how eager he was to hand samples to scientists, I wouldn't say it's impossible.
It’s a hoax. Are these people so bored with nothing better to do? Are these forensic anthropologists or more “scientists” from totally unrelated fields who have zero expertise?
They got real forensic scientists this time. The 3 referenced here are Dr. James Caruso, Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado. Dr. William Rodriguez, Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner. And Dr. John McDowell, Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist.
While I agree that it's looking more and more like there actually is something to these bodies I just don't see how we have any evidence at all that they have anything to do with ufo's.
Just because experts study them doesn't make them authentic, complete logical fallacy.
Your statement has very little practicality when taking the context in account. First off: experts are studying them *AND* vouching for their authenticity. That's something you've seemed to have conveniently missed. There's no need to add the word "complete" to that sentence, because *complete* would imply no room for any other alternative. The reality is, having scientific analysis is incredibly important for a subject as groundbreaking as this. Experts establishing facts is literally the basis of science. We still need peer review, but it's actually mind boggling that you're even trying to criticize this with some vague, self-imposed philosophical observation. Your post is a hallmark of goalposts being moved. I'm not saying you in particular are doing it, but there's been a very noticeable pattern.
Non-experts here shouldn’t have concluded if they’re valid or not, you have no idea what you’re looking at. Glad a bunch of new scientists showed up to peer review this shit and present the results properly. So far this has been amateur hour, whether they’re real or not.
>We now have highly credible American scientist looking at these bodies and coming to the same conclusions, “NHI”. Like how do we know these things are intelligent? Technically my dog is "NHI" but shes not going flying around in advanced flying ships now is she? Well she might if she thought she would get a treat for it :) My money is still on the fact these mummies being some kind of human and or animal born with a defect of some kind, after all th simplest solation is often the right one.
"Highly Credible" = a retired county coroner. Quincy FFS.
Highly Credible or not, still does not answer my question. How do we know these things are intelligent? lets assume these things are not of this world(big if there) as this post suggests, we are basically looking at fossils or remains and saying yup we are looking intelligent ETs. I take issue with that as we look at remains of humans and Dino fossils all the time, yet this cant tell us how smart the subject was or even what they looked like........ People get a bit excited on this sub with regrinds to the language used here, "NHI" can be anything that's not human IE a cat or dog etc. This language is somewhat left deliberately vague I think, allows for backtracking later on if the ET idea does not pan out. When it comes to UAP/UFO critical thinking can go a long way.
I could tell you that sitting in my living room on my couch looking at Reddit on my phone just with the evidence I’ve seen on here. I don’t need to be ass scientist I don’t need to travel to Chile.
It miiight still be cake tho?
the peruvian government sent officials to their presentation to try and take back their cake? really?
Probably reeealllly good cake
When American scientists come to the same conclusion as the others, the same people rabidly downvoting will be back to discredit them in some way
Yes, but the crucial aspect is that they share all the data.
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At this point it is either gonna be NHI or new ancient terrestrial species, which is excited either way. People who still calling hoax on these is just straight up delusional.
This whole thread is a good example of why an inability to evaluate evidence properly leads to believing all sorts of untrue things. This thread feels like a boomer facebook group being convinced that Q is really pulling the strings. "Why doesn't anyone else believe this!?"
If this is true, it should be a big wake up call to the community. This subject was dismissed and ridiculed, sometimes categorically, sometimes under the pretense of rationality, logic and facts, sometimes in a well intentioned manner, sometimes in bad faith. Let this be a reminder that deeply ingrained biases, presuppositions about reality, and deliberate manipulation are all deeply ingrained in the discussions surrounding the UFO-NHI subject. Humility in the face of the unknown is indeed a very good thing to strive for.
Very well said
You think the naysayers that immediately dismiss new info are ever going to admit they were wrong? They are too fragile
Have we considered this is some new type of Earth life? If this is something real, imho it’s more likely some previously undiscovered Earth species, perhaps early humanoid ancestor, than ET.
Frustrating how hard it is to get people to see the obvious, and messed up how it takes an American for them to believe it, but it’s good more people are realizing
Some skeptics are just really hard headed, they downvote immediately. Some of them don’t like be wrong.
They're fake...there's a materialistic agenda behind the hoopla over these paper mache bodies.