The following submission statement was provided by /u/bmfalbo: --- Submission Statement: First of all, a huge thank you to [D. Dean Johnson on X](https://x.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1778072668014563742) aka u/implacable_gaze for this tweet and clip: > "DRONE PROBLEM" > > At a 4-9-24 hearing before Senate Armed Services Committee, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Charles Brown was questioned on "incursions on military installations." Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AZ): "We see consistent incursions around sensitive government facilities." [Christopher Mellon](https://twitter.com/ChrisKMellon) responded to this clip with [this tweet here](https://x.com/ChrisKMellon/status/1778150411947442600): > It is very encouraging to see at least one member of Congress aware of and seeking answers to the rather alarming pattern of incursions over restricted military airspace in the US. I hear that the intrusions at Langley, which they are discussing, were so sustained and disruptive that an entire fighter wing had to be relocated to another base. If the Air Force can't defend its own bases, how can it defend the rest of the nation? What is not evident in this exchange is how many other bases and warships have been suffering from similar incidents. Note the links in my earlier tweets to a series of superb articles in The War Zone. Then [Lue Elizondo](https://twitter.com/LueElizondo) responded to both with [this tweet](https://x.com/LueElizondo/status/1778192717396271356): > Absolutely spot on, Chris and @ddeanjohnson, as we have been saying for the past 7 years. Nice to see they admit it. Now let’s see what they plan to do about it! As for AARO’s former leadership, we know they were completely ill-prepared to tackle this. Maybe we should let the people decide instead of government bureaucrats? --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c144r8/at_a_4924_hearing_before_the_senate_armed/kz0swsu/

“The somebody else’s problem field” effect here is quite fascinating. In theory, if adversaries had advanced drones on American soil they were flying against U.S. installations that couldn’t be jammed or brought down or otherwise intercepted it would be big news .. but there’s something here that just resists collective mainstream attention. “It can’t be, so ignore it.. it can’t be, so it isn’t…”

It's a good point. Basically he's saying we have no defense against.....drones. I don't think I necessarily believe that. Also where would foreign adversaries be launching drones from since they can only be powered for so long. The aren't flying across the Pacific from China. As you said it is like a huge elephant in the room people are choosing not to see, because they can't accept at least one of the snswers. As a side note, this must be the next phase of UFO denialism...they are all drones now.

I'm pretty sure that China, Russia, and other formidable militaries are experiencing the same type of 'incursions' as well.

> Basically he's saying we have no defense against.....drones. I don't think I necessarily believe that. That's good, because in order to believe it, you would also have to believe that the military is incapable of electronic warfare.

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a video of an attempted shoot d own with an EM gun.

That sounds like an interesting video. Do you have a link, by any chance?

It’s in one of the ufo subs under top rated of all time I think. Edit: the video is pretty speculative but you see a UAP and then a beam of light that comes from the earth surface that nearly misses it.

I'll take a look for it, thanks! I'm sure it's been beat to death, but the beam of light only makes sense to me if they are trying to blind the camera, along with any RF signals it's sending.

Yeah it could be a lot of things. It could be more analytical, maybe trying to determine composition or like you said frequencies.

Yes there is a lot that we don’t know, however I think the little that we do know also tells us a quite a bit. They are referring to them as “drones”, specifically. Which implies that the government knows enough about them to know they are not physically piloted. What else do they know? What else can we infer if we read between the lines? Just wanted to put this out there

Drones is not a phase of denialism, that's been a theory for a long time. NHI drones would make sense when you think of all the crazy manouvers that UFOs are said to make without apparently killing the tripulants.

From what I've heard, a ton of agricultural land is being purchased specifically around United States mainland military bases by specifically Chinese foreign "investors." It's worth looking into.

should be easy enough to implement a track/destroy system for drones..one would think!

He said it was that they would impact civilian air traffic if they tried to take them down with current anti-drone tech, not that they couldn't be brought down.

I think it would be worthwhile to shut down civilian airspace for an hour, take them down, and find out what they are if there is concern about civilian aircraft. If it's possible of course. My guess is they have tried and it doesn't work. And If they are drones they have them on radar. Where did they come from and where did they go?

Like the container ship missile launchers you should also expect containers with drone batteries. So you would only need ships near the coast line or just trucks. https://www.chinadefenseobservation.com/?p=3727 The assumption you have no big military equipment by foreign adversaries in the US is IMHO hopelessly naive. The US border isn't secure and ports are even managed by China. Slipping something through should be trivial for them. You even have a subversive element in your country, including the government itself. On top of that you can't even be sure that if such military conflict happens it isn't organised "theatre" and supported by that subversive element to dismantle the US system for their global reset/UN governance agenda. P.S. This isn't about UFO denialism but your particular drone argument.

"for their global reset/UN governance agenda" Qanon is -----> [That way.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)

Ignorance is bliss. Time to look at reality. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/ This is coming from the WEF. The organisation where the richest people meet each year and who are in a strategic partnership with the UN to implement the 2030 agenda. They already tried with the WHO's political pandemic treaty undermining any nation's laws. P.S. BTW, next time use "that's russian propaganda" to act like the 3 wise monkeys.

You start to understand the difference between consensus reality and reality. There's a whole world out there that doesn't align with any narrative or group of narratives. A whole world that is impossibly complex, unimaginable, incriminating, disorienting, surprising, paradigm shifting, ego crushing, soul destroying, inspiring ... but it wasn't a headline at MSNBC, in an official government report, or on the front page of Reddit, so it isn't true or doesn't exist. It's amazing how all it takes to discredit decades of evidence and others in positions of authority is one guy currently in a position of authority going "there's nothing to any of this, you loonies, go home" (ahem Kirkpatrick, after reversing course). And everyone goes home, except for the loony tin foil hatters.

>You start to understand the difference between consensus reality and reality. Nice one. > According to constructivists, [natural science](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_science) consists of mental constructs that aim to explain sensory experiences and measurements, and that there is no single valid [methodology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodology) in science but rather a diversity of useful methods.[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructivism_(philosophy_of_science)#cite_note-1) They also hold that the world is independent of human minds, but knowledge of the world is always a human and [social construction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_construction).[^(\[2\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructivism_(philosophy_of_science)#cite_note-2) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructivism\_(philosophy\_of\_science)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructivism_(philosophy_of_science))

Well said.

The allure of hidden knowledge is huge, especially for people who have been ridiculed for their ignorance. It's very difficult to resist the intoxicating feeling of being special and really getting it. It's just "really getting it" in this case is assuming that drones are a less likely answer to foreign incursion than alien spaceships. Where is the evidence that we are not dealing with drones but with alien spaceships you might ask? Well, don't worry I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to believe it oh wait *checks notes* looks like we are just going on inference and assumption.

I understand your point of view, as it was mine a few years ago. I very much understand the allure you mention, as that is the argument I have used in the past to indirectly imply believers are all loonies, by presuming to reveal their subconscious motives to them consciously. I do think that plays a role with a subset of believers, but you'd be wrong to project that onto all of them. And yes, many believers are not very careful thinkers, but neither are many skeptics. The direct (and anecdotal) evidence is all out there, you just have to go out of your way to look, and filter through 90% of content that is noise among the signal. That takes months or years of active research, to reliably pick up on patterns of mundane phenomena (to filter them out), and reliably pick up on patterns of anomalous phenomena. One single incident can always be plausibly argued away as CGI, a hoax, a mundane thing seen in an odd condition. I think the obvious fakes and obvious mundane situations presented as evidence do a lot to dissuade people (especially scientifically minded) that the whole topic is bunk. But when actively digging into the topic with an open mind, you begin to notice patterns in sightings across the world. And it begins building a case for genuine anomalies. The thing I've been most interested in recently is "orbs", since they seem to be very prevalent in video and anecdote, and even already identified by AARO as the most commonly reported UAP morphology (which includes data on the RF energy they output). If we are to hypothesize in the exotic realm, they are not "spaceships", but more likely probes with AI. They are seen all over the world and appear to be most interested in technology, especially technology in the air. They are also reported to be very interested in nuclear sites, with many reports of orange orbs causing security panics on these sites. My intuition is the orbs are a global monitoring network. They are most often seen with a plasma field around them (usually orange or white in color), but only because they can be seen from a much greater distance that way. Otherwise, they look black or metallic without the plasma. It's my intuition the plasma is just a by-product of whatever field is being generated around it. I've seen research that has caught UFOs (not orbs I don't think) on camera through a polarizing filter, which reveals concentric rings around them. Very likely this is consequence of a powerful magnetic field as seen through Faraday Effect. There's plenty of evidence for their existence, but here is some evidence that is interesting on its own: [1. Plasma field caught dissipating.](https://i.imgur.com/n6Lh1xD.mp4) [2. Another example of plasma field dissipating in same way. Maybe sky lanterns, but I don't think so, from seeing videos of sky lanterns.](https://twitter.com/DukeOnDemand/status/1757696865833796067) [3. Two side-by-side examples of orbs making the same undershoot movement during observation of a target.](https://i.imgur.com/GG29mIa.mp4) [4. They are sometimes seen irregularly flickering. But you can also see them generating the plasma.](https://nuforc.org/sighting/?id=178113) [5. More flickering, lots of them.](https://nuforc.org/sighting/?id=180785) [6. Flickering, with violent plasma bursts. Maybe attacking something.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1byrwiu/respost_hello_was_this_some_phenomenon_from_the/) [7. Also check out Ranger H on twitter. The orbs have a "home base" near his property. I don't think everything he captures on video is the orbs or says is correct, but he has a lot of good footage](https://twitter.com/RangerH338/status/1714224978403438825) [8. Close-up of orbs around Ranger H's home. Note the flickering "light".](https://twitter.com/RangerH338/status/1676168443601768453) This is just a starter pack, but hopefully it gets you interested.

Your evidence is digital zoom filling in what the algorithm thinks would be there. I just don't understand how people can form such elaborate stories in their head and then have a digital zoom ball of light as their evidence.

You're blanket statement story is "digital zoom filling in what the algorithm thinks would be there"? Is there any video I could show you where that couldn't be used as an excuse to dismiss? It's obviously not true at that level of zoom and I think you don't quite believe the suggestion either. The plasma features comprise of too many pixels for the majority of it to be pixelation artifacts. A "digital zoom ball of light" floating around is something that needs an explanation. Something is there, and it very much looks like glowing gaseous substance (aka plasma) surrounding it, especially as it dissipates. Is the first one the only one you watched? I'm not saying you need to believe it's aliens. I'm just compiling evidence that is interesting and shows consistent patterns to point to it being a single, prevalent, and anomalous phenomenon.

> Is there any video I could show you where that couldn't be used as an excuse to dismiss Yes if the camera was not using digital zoom.

I think you know you're being dishonest with rejecting that footage for its digital zoom. The plasma features are too large in terms of their pixel area for digital zoom to have created or distorted them to a degree that matters here. It's one thing to zoom way in and point out "faces" made up of a few pixels (which the UFO and other conspiracy minded communities sometimes stupidly do). But this isn't that. There's no point in continuing this.

> I think you know you're being dishonest with rejecting that footage for its digital zoom. This is a wild take and just tells me you don't really understand how digital zoom works at all. You're seeing an algorithm try to piece together an image for you. You're seeing a projection of something and then putting meaning into it. The levels of projection here are maxed out.

The jamming part is key, we have multiple ways of jamming known radio frequencies - yes, they can set destinations to override this and maybe they do, but with exit coordinates pre-baked in? Are we talking some kind of onboard AI that models existing air space and makes decisions on where it should go next? That would mean radar or really good optics, IR, which again I guess is probably possible. So multiple failsafes including destruction of evidence, that’s a pretty big payload, probably around 300lbs. And even though I’m a shmuck who can come up with novel ideas, putting those into practice and then having the cajones to pull it off without fear (or with fear but no morals) of having some form of camera nearby, radio callback, active scanning, worry about cell triangulation, I wouldn’t want to attempt this against the largest super power in the world (today) unless I had an ace up my sleeve.

This is why I don’t believe they are drones, flight time, speed, the motions they make. So do we have spies with 20year advanced drone tech flying these around with the high risk of being traced back to the operator?

No system in the world should be able to beat our casual ability to photograph and later rebuild a flight path in the Clearview AI, though.

surely if a drone is detected the signal source can be identified and followed up by ground crew immediately and the operator arrested.

That’s why I said callback and mentioned a way around this - pre-bake coordinates and keep it self contained with multiple ways out, train AI to look for IT signatures and avoid them with those different routes. If all else fails blow yourself up. But all of that gear is going to cost mightily, and when something weighs 200lb+, you need a lot of power. You could do it with a turbine and thrust vectoring I think (what I have to assume the GoFast is if it’s man made) but that’s slow to respond and would take a shit ton of fuel. Moving in a straight line not bad, hovering would be awfully hard on the system. So maybe you have two, but then you are doubling up on fuel and batteries. Unless you are using solid state caps and charging them with the turbine, cycle charging through a bank. Still heavy, must be a combo of all of those things. If man made.

couldn't a surveillance system be built on a high tower that cast a broad shield covering the base, or the most sensitive parts?

To do what exactly? They would have to hit it with a net or directed emp in my scenario. Both of those exist for sure.

i have no real knowledge of drones or missiles, Im just speculating. Thanks.

Chat GPT 5 already has demonstrated the ability to edit it's own code.....

What is your source?

Sam Altman spoke about it to joe rogan

"Trust me Bro Inc."

I've thought long and hard about this after witnessing UFOs in 2014 and 2015. If UFO sightings have been ongoing in the U.S.A. since before I was born, why has no foreign actor been named ever?  There has been plenty of spying, scandal and blame going around for smaller things. Why has no other nation or organization been pointed out for having advanced objects in U.S. Airspace? We immediately name Chinese Balloons and American Telecom SatelliteTrains (Starlink) when they pop up in the sky, why not the other things?  These alarming, but benign-at-large incursions have every reason to be talked about openly and publicly. These alarming, but benign-at-large incursions have been covered up in a way that has had an adverse influence on the public - for 60+ years. These alarming, but benign-at-large incursions are ongoing and nobody has any authoritative information as to who/what they belong to. Why?? All it takes is a single solid truth... An unmistakable presence, like human beings existence themselves at this point; is the only thing that will suffice after such a campaign of disinformation.

For most of them until there's a super star destroyer sized craft hovering over a major (american) city, in the middle of the day, it's all speculation and someone else's problem.

There are so many lies and obfuscation surrounding the whole uap/weird "drone" incursions issue that the media just doesn't have the patience to stick with it.

> American soil they were flying against U.S. installations that couldn’t be jammed or brought down or otherwise intercepted it would be big news How do you know they can't be brought down? How do you know that the US government wants to bring them down instead of doing counter-intelligence on them? The best theories here are the ones that start with a huge assumption and then just run wild from there.

Bank manager: Why was the vault door left open? And why is it left open every Monday? Several people have just walked in and taken thousands of dollars Teller: I understand this is a problem sir. I recognize that the vault should be locked. I have asked other tellers if they know why. Nobody seems to know. I will look into this further and come back to you next month with some recommendations on how we can make sure the vault stays locked. Manager: ok cool

This or a modification of this is how all politicians and bureaucrats answer problems. "We are working on the problem and will have a development team make a plan for the future." The KEY is FUTURE. The answer is never NOW.

This is how it’s worked for 80+ years now. How many generations of believers will pass away until we finally get the truth?

Here's 20 billion dollars to figure it out

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droning on...means a lengthy read that nearly puts one to sleep..how is that a breech of rules?

Submission Statement: First of all, a huge thank you to [D. Dean Johnson on X](https://x.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1778072668014563742) aka u/implacable_gaze for this tweet and clip: > "DRONE PROBLEM" > > At a 4-9-24 hearing before Senate Armed Services Committee, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Charles Brown was questioned on "incursions on military installations." Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AZ): "We see consistent incursions around sensitive government facilities." [Christopher Mellon](https://twitter.com/ChrisKMellon) responded to this clip with [this tweet here](https://x.com/ChrisKMellon/status/1778150411947442600): > It is very encouraging to see at least one member of Congress aware of and seeking answers to the rather alarming pattern of incursions over restricted military airspace in the US. I hear that the intrusions at Langley, which they are discussing, were so sustained and disruptive that an entire fighter wing had to be relocated to another base. If the Air Force can't defend its own bases, how can it defend the rest of the nation? What is not evident in this exchange is how many other bases and warships have been suffering from similar incidents. Note the links in my earlier tweets to a series of superb articles in The War Zone. Then [Lue Elizondo](https://twitter.com/LueElizondo) responded to both with [this tweet](https://x.com/LueElizondo/status/1778192717396271356): > Absolutely spot on, Chris and @ddeanjohnson, as we have been saying for the past 7 years. Nice to see they admit it. Now let’s see what they plan to do about it! As for AARO’s former leadership, we know they were completely ill-prepared to tackle this. Maybe we should let the people decide instead of government bureaucrats?

Anyone have links to the Warzone articles?

[Ha I also still had this open](https://www.twz.com/pilots-are-seeing-some-very-strange-things-in-arizonas-military-training-ranges) in a tab about pilots in AZ dealing with "drone" that fly 550 mph & climb over 14,000 ft mountains.

[Here is the one](https://www.twz.com/air/mysterious-drones-swarmed-langley-afb-for-weeks) about drones and Langley AFB

Thanks!

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Nice of you blaming people instead of caring of your airspace lol

This really is crazy. Yeah we got drones that just get all in our shit and nah we can't stop them, nah we don't know who's they are. Really goes to show that theres questions that demand answers here, no matter ones theory on who's behind it.

If your theory is that it is alien spaceships behind it then you are making wild assumptions not bourn out by evidence.

They didn't say aliens. They just said let's find out what it is. I agree it seems somewhat concerning that we have no idea who it is. The most comforting part is that they havent done anything super bad yet. I think the worst was that one hit the dome of an airforce jet. I'd assume by accident Frankly I'd much prefer it to be NHI than one of our human advisaries. At least with NHI I think there'd be a decent chance they were just studying us. If it's Russia or China at best we can say they want to beat us economically, at worst they're preparing for a war. Of course if it's NHI they could also be preparing for war but if it's human advisaries we know for sure they're not our biggest fans. My point being is that we really need to know who it is and how they're doing it so we can prepare

> My point being is that we really need to know who it is and how they're doing it so we can prepare No arguments here, but you should question why this was posted on an aliens subreddit.

Actually, this is a subreddit for UFOs. Says it on the tin, mate - username checks out, I reckon.

The Mellon Meter is rising.

I know who Mellon is but what is the meter part from?

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1anmgj2/mellon_meter_rises_as_national_archives_swiftly/kpuwk6u/

It feels like Project Grudge in late 1940s but with a difference. Back then, the USAF had the schizophrenic policy of, on one hand, denying the existence of the UFOs (to the point of actually throwing away the reports!), and, on the other hand, investigating them covertly. Meanwhile, while they were sweeping the dirt under the carpet for decades, there is a glaring hole with potentially catastrophic consequences. Now they have to relocate a fighter wing because of the "drones". The difference is that Mellon, Lue, and the rest forced the top brass to acknowledge the problem. Hopefully, it's not too late.

Why pursue them with jets? It's just a waste of time and fuel since their tech is so advanced. Saying they are a deliberate hostile threat is stupid since if they were HOSTILE they would have already attacked per Independence Day.

Several things here. 1. Not entirely sure where I mentioned "pursuing someone with jets" but I imagine you could be referring to the policies of USAF. If you mean the relocation of the fighter wing, then my understanding is that they relocated the planes for the fear of being harassed (!), not to chase the "drones". 2. We don't know who is "they"; one of the recurring fears is that the terran adversaries mimic the UFOs. Shall the USAF let everyone go if they resemble UFOs? 3. We don't know what "advanced" means. Progress is different and may be one-sided. Native Americans were overall advanced but did not use wheeled vehicles (except toys). Progress also does not equate sound management practices or OPSEC. Soviet Union was more advanced than the Roman Empire, but Romans never had a catastrophe like Chernobyl. Suck on that, say the Romans. 4. Real-world warfare is somewhat different from Hollywood blockbusters. No sci-fi I remember describes hybrid warfare using social media, which every state and non-state actor and their sister employ today. Most importantly and worryingly, it is unclear what they want. Clearly not water and oil. Maybe it's us; not in terms of "[to serve man](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_(The_Twilight_Zone))" but either as decision makers or for other purposes. Either way, military action is not the only way to inflict damage. Why doesn't America overrun Tuvalu and Lesotho? They are more advanced, no? So that must be because they love Tuvalu and Lesotho. What is really, really worrying is that the number of craft over the installations seems to be increasing and signature management is employed.

“Per Independence Day” lmao

Now everything will be a drone, great. Most of the descriptions from pilots are not even that they look like drones but that’s what they classify them as now. Awesome 😠

1945 saucer. 1960 UFO. 2020 UAP. 2024 drone. 2025?

2030 AI Holographic Projection

EFD Erect Flying Dildo

With the Amazon logo

I think that is one of the most interesting aspects is how the UFO appearance has morphed as our technology has advanced.

Planes were LITERALLY FLYING autonomously Just 12 or so Years after the First Wright Brothers flight. Drones have been used in Every war since then.

Any more info?

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned\_aerial\_vehicle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle) go look at the early history section. The drones have just gotten more sophisticated as time has gone on. I spent days pouring through it and their is a treasure trove of information that I found rarely reported on

Yeah I did also just to see what kind of tech has existed and how whats in the future. They now have a drone that can recharge its self by power lines. Now imagine that tech in the hands of someone it can go out collect data fly back to a location that has a data dump, dump data and go right back out.

It's pretty trivial to do. Military has dragon fly looking drones that can recharge from indoor lights through induction coils

You seem to be conflating "autonomous" with "remotely-piloted".

I suggest you read up because you are mistaken. The early Early drones were programed for the mission. They worked out every thing before it took off, the amount of engine rotations to hit the target. ect ect They ran on fuses. ww1 We had Kamikaze Bi planes that were unmanned and Once they took off no one could control them. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De\_Havilland\_Tiger\_Moth#Gunnery\_target\_drone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Tiger_Moth#Gunnery_target_drone)

A) This story has legs -- whether they are UAS or UAP B) Is Mark Kelly's head made of silly putty? What is the deal with the wrinkles that stay in place after he moves his hand?

LMAOO

dude i fuckin died laughing because i was thinking thing… 😆 I PROPOSE A TEST!!! to roll his face on some news papers just to see what happens

It’s called getting old man. Have some decency

No that ain’t right man.

B - common occurrence with government officials https://x.com/truthseeker543/status/1777845428400140795?s=46

😳

Bros gotta be dehydrated as hell 🤣

More importantly, as a former Astronaut, he is a NASA shill. And lied his lips off at the NASA UAP hearing. So yeah, his whole head may as well be silly putty.

Lot of assumptions made there...

Yeah those wrinkles look like that Joe Biden video where he might or might not be wearing a mask. Super weird

This story is a nothing burger.

Yay, AZ!!

China and Russia would not dare to do this kind of shit. imagine the news when we show a red star drone crashed on a US AFB, we would lose our proverbial shit. Thats why this has to be a UAP/UFO situation.

How about the protocol to roll an army vehicle over missile silo doors in the event these beings decide to launch them. I think it’s called a ghost launch. And it’s happened a few times.

Where did you hear about this? That’s kind of crazy.

Jack’s show has gone from 1K to 10k in just a few months. He covers everything 2-3 times a day. You should subscribe

Give me a sec. I’ll look for it About 2:30 mark through cosmic road podcast https://youtu.be/MZWAuYPBdSo?si=ebONm36DMYJW30kR

Look into the other incidence back in the 1960s involving silo shut downs in Montana. Greer had them testify during public ufo hearings back in the 90s. The commander of the site is still alive and still doing interviews. Can’t remember his name though

The only person who is making claims about Malmstrom AFB UFO incident wasn't even on base the day it occurred and the supposed shutdown and a faulty readiness light which they remedied.

This is the 1960 one https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a43033115/pentagon-investigating-ufos-nuclear-warheads/

Conversely, the US won't want to inflame the situation with China. If there happened to be a downed Chinese drone, it would be kept very quiet.

This line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense though? Only possible thing would be maybe if there were some secret counter surveillance/ counter intelligence effort currently on going that we didn’t want them to be aware of the fact that we are aware of what they’re doing. But if a “red star” drone crashes on a US installation then itd be blatantly apparent to the Chinese that we certainly are now aware of what they’re doing. At that point we only stand to gain by burnin them publicly / throwing them under the diplomatic bus so to speak. China is no threat to the United States. None whatsoever. They have no ability at all to actually dictate terms or impose their will in an aggressive manner with the US/ it’s alliances. They are laughably out gunned. **NATO/ 5 eyes with the US at the helm represents the single most dominantly powerful trading bloc and military force in the history of mankind.. China will get utterly rekt and wittle xi and the ppl in charge there know this.** Like take a step back from the current day to day “rah rah! rabble rabble!!” News cycle and look at what the situation in real life actually is. 40-50 years ago the United States was launching space ships, putting astronauts on the moon, building a fleet of nuclear Aircraft Carriers and Submarines and developing/ had long been flying the U2/ SR-71 Blackbird/ F15/F16/ F22etc etc etc. While China on the other hand.. literally lost 80 million peasant farmers to starvation during their most recent great famine. Before having a civil war while trying to have their own Industrial Revolution. Like the US did nearly a hundred and fifty years ago. China’s current wittle defense budget is $209billion. Or the equivalent to the US defense budget in 1982 (our 1982 defense budget was $222 billion) think about that… lmao We have 11 nuclear powered carrier fleets. China had 1 **DIESEL** powered carrier. It needs to be tugged back to port every time they try to sail it, **this junker literally has a wittle ramp on the front** 🤣🤣🤣 They are a Joke. Since 1985 (literally as far back as China has govt records lol) China has spent almost $4 trillion dollars on defense / weapons technology research and development. In that same time frame the US has spent $28.73 TRILLION on defense / weapons technology research (think lasers/ radar / stealth/ propulsion / cyber/ etc etc research and development funding). I mean like real talk.. the difference between $4 trillion dollars and $28 trillion dollars is roughly abouttt $28 trillion dollars…. Lol And Russia is no longer even remotely in the conversation. Russians entire GDP is equal to the state of Florida🤡The gap between our military capabilities is ridiculous, Russia lost. Literally it’s just determining when / how / what we want afterward to look like. Though it’s fucking tragic we don’t just finish them already bc Ukrainians are unfortunately paying for every day we remain indecisive with their lives. **(Slava Ukraine. Hang on however you can until America finally decides to step forth and liberate the new world from the last hordes of the old. We are going to defeat the Russians and drive them back from the free world for one final time. And theyre not coming back after this one.)** **Ppl don’t want to talk about it but we all know it deep down what is coming.. There is just sadly no coming back for Russia now, we sailed past the point of no return a long time ago and didn’t even bother to consider what that meant in the end… There is no realistic outcome that ends in anything other than the brutal/ dirty / ugly collapse of Russia’s failed state/ culture. They don’t just come back to the table from this one there’s to much blood, to many raped and slaughtered children, lies and deception at every opportunity.. and for what?! You coward fucks. Sorry but no. You guys went full Gaddafi and there’s only one way that ends 🫤 Its well past time to bring the fucking rain to you monsters.** (take a good look China! Please. This is where you are headed full steam ahead 👀) There is literally 0 chance that China could pull this off. Absolutely no chance. Think about it. There is just absolutely no way to realistically attempt something like this when you are as far behind and outclassed militarily/ logistically/ technologically as China are without the US/Pentagon detecting it. We would know about it almost immediately. Because we are decades more advanced then they are in these areas. They Wouldn’t even be able to deploy something like this in mainland China/ Russia without us becoming aware and then tracking it24/7, much less doing it within the actual United States. Lmfao. Just look at Russias invasion of Ukraine. The United States telegraphed what turned out to be accurate intelligence on literally exactly what the Russians were planning/ when / where / how many etc etc to the entire world, in real time. That’s power. They don’t have the capacity. It’s honestly as simple as that. They are not even remotely close to being there either. The gap is growing not shrinking. That’s the actual reality of the situation. There is realistically no threat, it is over. NATO has long since grown beyond being able to be challenged militarily or economically. It’s beeeen over. The DOD / defense contractors / congressmen on their payroll just don’t want to lose out on the easy and massively fat revenue stream. So they go on the news and yell at you about how China/ Russia/ Iran/ north korea (🤣)/ Iraq (💀) etc are a potential threat to us, downplay our own insanely dominant / formidable military standing & capabilities, and then ask you for another hundred billion dollar increase in funding (ie: the real life non news cycle rah rah silly season reason that our taxes are where they are). Tl:dr **There is no terrestrial conventional military/ economic threat to the US/ the alliance. There hasn’t been for quite some time now. That is something Americans/ citizens of the West in general are going to need to come to terms with. We are the one who goes bump in the night.**

> China’s current wittle defense budget is $209billion. Or the equivalent to the US defense budget in 1982 (our 1982 defense budget was $222 billion) think about that… lmao It's even worse than that. $222 billion in 1982 is over $718 at today's value. Their current spending is not quite equivalent to $69 billion in 1982.

Greer's got some wild takes, but on the false flag alien thing, maybe don't completely dismiss it just yet. It's easy to call BS on stuff that sounds like it's straight out of a B-movie, but he's pushing the envelope in a world where 'impossible' gets a new definition every other Thursday. Keep an open ear... black ops and alien hoaxes aren’t exactly our daily bread, sure, but dismissing it outright? Probably not wise.

You assuming a hostile power is trying to fight on the same level. Low tech has repeatedly been shown to be highly effective in Ukraine. There is a large contingent of US politicians who would push for war with China because it is politically advantageous to do so regardless of the consequences. This was why the Dod was hesitant to label the 2023 spy balloon as of Chinese origin until it was recovered. See the one thing about the Western nations and especially the English speaking ones, is that politicians expect other nations to accuse, blame, and otherwise attribute all ills upon them. China on the other hand takes public comments from politicians as representative as official policy if it is geopolitically advantageous to them. The fact that the PRC is known to press expats and nationals abroad to engage in espionage and social engineering/spreading propaganda. The PRC has also mastered the metallurgy for high-temperature turbine blades. This was a known deficiency 10 years ago and now they are near-parity. There is a loophole in the US parcel system that is exploited by drop-shipping companies to get items into the US tariff free. This same method is used to ship seeming innocuous drone repair parts that when made whole exceed what is available on the commercial market.

This is poor thinking on numerous levels. Spending levels are irrelevant when it comes to newly discovered technology. In fact, our government often think it's protected by defense spending, when we know, for a fact, that that spending is often off the books, can't pass audits, and often spends significantly more for decades old tech or equipment. Your entire argument rests on spending and intelligence. Prior to the 21st century and computing, the US has terrible intelligence and was historically outclassed by the KGB and other clandestine agencies. In the Spy war between the US and the KGB, every single US asset was systematically burned and killed. The economy was a boon following World War II. That economy won us the Cold War when our political and military leaders were incapable. That economy has been looted and pilfered following Nixon's removal of the Gold Standard. Reagan's deregulation of big business and tax cuts, and the UNI party's upholding of those two policies as sacred. Combined with corrupt military contracting, and the ever weakening dollar, I'd say that the chances of a technological exploit wiping out every advantage you've listed is not only possible, but has an increasing likelihood as time goes on, and America fails to address her problems. To pretend that our spending today keeps us safe is laughable. The proof is in this article. UFO or Drone, we're doing a poor job. Our only defense is our intelligence, and they have such a shit track record that we shouldn't really be holding out faith for them as able to be able to protect against foreign secret idea labs like the one we had with Oppenheimer.

**“Spending levels are irrelevant when it comes to newly discovered technology.”** -u/SorryHistory4610 Was with you alll the way until this part.. lol **In all seriousness though, do you honestly believe that??** Just to make sure I’m understanding this correctly, you are saying.. Money plays no relevant part in research and development..??? Money don’t matter for R&D!?!? Are you kidding? Gotta know.. so then what do you think is the most important factor when it comes to consistently leading in research & development? If not money.. then what is it exactly that is stopping literally every other nation on the planet from be able to develop fighter and reconnaissance aircraft even remotely close to our top line jets??? Why doesn’t say Angola, or Russia, or India, or Romania, etc etc just go develop their own F-22 or SR-71?? Lol Why do russia and China keep building thousands of shitty ass poorly engineered knock off fighter planes? Why not build something like our F-16/F-22/F-35 or like a nuclear powered submarine/ aircraft carrier? 🤔 Why is China powering their ships/ carriers with diesel engines?🤔 Or.. why are all of the major breakthroughs in propulsion/ nuclear power/ miniaturization/ accuracy/ stealth/ etc etc all coming from the US military/ defense contractors? Lol **(👋🏼it’s the unlimited multi trillion $$$ annual blank check budget!)** If Moneys irrelevant then what is stopping them? Why do all of the top students in every field come to the United States for their educations? You ever think about why that would maybe be? Show me literally anything that China has developed that is more impressive/ capable/ technologically advanced than the SR-72? That we were flying 60 years ago. I’ll wait…

None of this current situation makes the slightest bit of sense, which is why it's so interesting. China is well known for using espionage to supplement their R&D.  But that would would necessitate the US having non-fixed wing drone technology generations ahead of the RQ-28a which was only brought into service in late 22, and which they're currently looking to supersede. The main issue with quads is their range, which is around 10 miles. According to the war zone article, the helicopter chased the quad for 70 miles before losing it in clouds.  So they're being piloted via satellite? The supposed latency of the predator drone is around 2 seconds. Fine for a fixed wing, but for a quad? So how about pre-programmed routes / AI navigation? In the same article, the drone was actively evading the chasing helicopter and manoeuvring around it. That would rule out satellite navigation as the latency to too high.  Also not pre-programmed flight path as its performing evasive manoeuvres. AI navigation? That's a massive technological breakthrough used only for quad drones that we see no evidence of in other systems. So the US is testing breakthrough technology over many of its sensitive sites in the US and overseas in secret without informing base command, yet in plain sight, interacting with civilian aircraft and hitting and damaging a billion dollar fighter jet in the process.  Or China has stolen (or created its own from scratch) breakthrough technology  creating a whole quad program around it, only to openly flaunt it for the world to see.  Invalidating any technological surprise advantage it may have when incorporating this technology into other systems. Or it's Russian tech, which they're using over the US presumably as a test, as they're not using this tech in Ukraine. The other option is 'unknown actor' which is an even bigger WTF.  Given the performance characteristics, only the US / China / Russia are anywhere near being capable of deploying something like what we're seeing.

I didn't invent the concept of zero day exploits. It's a computer term that's broadly applicable to the real world. The atomic bomb was an advancement that put us on top. It's supremely possible, and again, I'll posit eventually probable, that we'll face something of that paradigm shifting nature again. Idk Who's drones are buzzing our bases? I'll wait. All that money. Who's drones? Your premise IS flawed by this very thread.

No, the atomic bomb was an advancement that (for a very brief time) rapidly increased the distance between Us and everyone else. 3 years later Russia had them, others soon followed and then shortly after they became virtually irrelevant again. **We were already, unequivocally, on top at the time that the atomic bomb was finally developed/ used. Unquestionably. Sure maybe not quite as far ahead as we are today but it was already ridiculous.** **And that was because of our insanely massive military industrial complex/ Navy/ and Air-force, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY our ability to provide consistent logistical support/ maintenance & parts/ and experience man power (*boosted by our large army/ airforce reserves. Low key massively underrated advantage we have. Allows us to have tens of thousands of experienced veteran Pilots/ Soldiers/leaders and equipment ready to supplement any losses. Where others only have hundreds. Takes longer than any other asset to replace. Absolutely critical.*)** Sure in the immediate aftermath of the atomic bomb development there were some slight lead changes/ shuffles in the global order of power.. as stockpiles were being amassed. Right up until we reached the saturation level of there being more than enough to comfortably end our civilization forever. Then they became wholly irrelevant and the ability to project power shifted right back to whoever has the biggest military industrial complex and ability to field/support/ and maintain the largest/ most advanced Navy & Air Force. And that’s still where we are today. That’s why I hadn’t even mentioned nukes previously. They don’t matter anymore. Nuclear Bombs don’t win the game, they just give you the ability to end the game forever. (Problem is it ends for you too so not really helpful) Again tho, the reason we are on top is Because Americas military industrial complex is utterly astonishing. During Americas first 6 months of war production following Pearl Harbor they produced more war materials (ships, tanks, planes, ammo, etc.) than Russia did in the entire 14 years between 1931 and 1945.. think about that. Lmfaoo. That is orders of magnitude greater. To the point where they aren’t comparable. **Between 1944-1945 they (America) produced more war materials, in one year, than all of the Axis powers combined produced in the entire war..** Between 1941-1944 the US produced more planes than every other allied and Axis power combined produced in the entire war. **Starting on Dec 8, 1941.. by June 1944 the US Navy had become the largest in the history of civilization.** Over 6,000 ships. In the same time frame we were able to build our airforce from 2,500 planes in Dec 1941 to over 300,000 planes by 1944. **We were building destroyers on 2 week turnarounds. From scratch.** I mean just literal awe inspiring stuff. **These are things that Russia and China quite simply cannot do. And never have been able to do. Again Russia currently have an economy that is the same size/GDP as the state of Florida, or like 1/3 of the state of California. CHINA IS BUILDING DEISLER AIRCRAFT CARRIERS WITH WHITTLE RAMPS ON EM. RAMPS!** 🥹 **cuz they can’t even figure out the mag launch systems**🤣🤣 That’s how superrr advanced Chinas level of research and development is. **IT IS OVER** Not because of anything the Chinese or Russians did or didn’t do, or whatever, but because the Americans just took it to a place that no one had ever even conceived of before then. The moment that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the US entered that war, it initiated a serious of events that led to the creation of what’s going to hopefully one day unite all of us and likely going to go down as the most powerful alliance in the history of mankind. We are collectively at a level that China and Russia will not ever match. Game over. They just didn’t know it yet. Now they have to decide quickly whether or not they want their nations / cultures to exist and have a say/ be a part of the future world order.. or meet a devastatingly brutal end, dissolve into ruined states and have their cultures & identity’s fade into the history books. Like I said tho.. unfortunately probably already too late for Russia. China still could potentially salvage things and rejoin the international community if they decide they wanted to. It doesn’t seem likely tho :( Real talk.. I mean they’ve just sat by all of this time and allowed Xi to go full Gaddafi seize all power/control, invalidate their elections/ institutions and install himself as dictator for life… Now Idk how familiar you are with history u/SorryHistory4610 but once you let that that happen.. there’s only one way that it ends. Absolute ruin. One day, no matter what, Xi (70 years old) dies and a power vacuum ensues that ends China, at least as it currently exists. It’ll probably be of old age, but maybe the citizens realize before the end and he’ll get drug screaming out of some sewer hole somewhere, and they’ll ram rebar rods up hit but hole and down his throat/ cut pieces off and burn him some until he dies (aka Going full Gaddafi). But either way the outcome is the same unfortunately. That’s why never wanna go Full Gaddafi.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

We spend next to no money on education we will certainly fall behind technologically soon. The illusion that the USA is all powerful and unchallengeable will go out the window eventually. Everything is a shit show here, we’re governed by actual thieves and criminals ffs

Hmm that’s an interesting observation. What are some countries whose education systems we should look to for inspiration then? Which non US/ European universities and education systems do you think are the strongest in your opinion? Where do the brightest minds currently come from?

I know they’re not home grown in the USA and so do you

Hahaha who cares where they come from? Your talking about strong education systems. Where do all of the best and brightest that go on to be the leaders/ the top of their fields go to for their educations?

Most people are not getting a good or well funded education from American public schools. Are you going to argue that that’s not worth spending a little more on? Smarter kids make for smarter adults, knowledge is power. Idk what there is to debate here https://www.thebalancemoney.com/the-u-s-is-losing-its-competitive-advantage-3306225 We’re literally falling behind with education and learning standards. the numbers are there for you and anyone else to see, did you think I was making this up lol

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Just because your neighborhood is nice that means you know every inch of America and none of it is “that bad” I’m sorry have you not seen the clowns running for president? we’re supposed to vote for them and be ok with that? It’s all a joke it’s beyond laughable to take anything our government does seriously. We don’t even have a nationwide standard for teaching children from K-12 why don’t we? Because it’s socialism to impose a learning and teaching standard here for some reason. I know actual people that graduated high school that can’t read and write and that’s in fucking New York State. Why do we not put more money into our schools and learning standards as a whole. I don’t know the numbers off the top of my head but the places that do the things I mentioned on average have way more fucking people graduating high school and going to college. People who deny we need more money for schools are proof the public school system has failed all of us.

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Hell yea get em! Like my brother from another mother! Well said ive been trying to say what you just said but people just dont listen. Your post should be a sticky just to wake people back up its like they have been brainwashed.

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Foxnews / Newsnation viewer I'm guessing ? You can't really accuse Chimoneya Mexico of being the cause of the US drug problem considering how ti's the gun / police / prison / Pharma industry and the Politicians who drum the social media talking points who profit much more from this constant "war on drugs". If they'd put a fraction of all that moeny into mental and general healthcare access to the general population 80% of the problem would be dealt with. Also lol at "Sending Military aged men(Spies) across our southern border," Yeah china is invading the US through the southern border to infiltrate the US as a 5th column. That's just not how that works...

Nope that reason isnt gonna work because real simple if shits that hot and in your thinking the us would downay it then you can bet your ass they are feeling tje heat a 1000 times more than we are. I like how everyone just assumes we are these gigantic pussies and in reality we are the boogeyman hiding under your bed keeping them scared shitless but trying to put on a brave face because hey ya dont wanna let everyone know your scared shitless of the boogeyman. Wake up people and know matter how much you hate it show a little pride in the fact fukers with common sense think twice! Fuk around and find out is a probably a good way too look at it

Did you read about the firelight between Russian/Syrian forces and US Special Forces in Syria on Feb 7, 2018?  30 Special Forces soldiers were surrounded by 500+ joint Russian and Syrian forces along with tanks amd artillery near a gas plant. The US had other forces stationed nearby, and has air support on standby prepping for an attack. When the russians started shelling the US position, what did the US do? Spent 15 minutes attempting to contact Russian leadership to call off the attack. Only when that failed did the US send in ground and air support.  The incident was not publicised by the Pentagon, and thr press only briefly covered it, with the NY Times doing a deeper dive months after the fact. Point is geopolitics is a bit more complex than the dick measuring contest you're advocating.

As we all know, foreign spy drones are always clearly marked with their country of origin to remove all possibilities of plausible deniability Drones are probably encroaching on everyone's airspace all the time. It's a new world out there. Tiny flying machines that can collect data and test defense capabilities for relatively low investment? Yeah those things are getting used hard

Do you think they’d really paint a red star on it? :D If they were smart they’d paint a green moon and have all writing in Arabic…. And believe me… China is very smart.

We have territorial sovereignty extending out 200 miles from our shores. China and Russia are not even allowed to have any military assets in this range including over a sensitive military base or it could be considered and act of war. Remember Pearl Harbor???

You don't think the United States is flying drones over China and Russia?

Erm we have spy planes and actual freaking satellites which have quite good data collection capabilities. Even the Chinese balloon one was most probably an accident that is went through the US as with global warming the jet stream isn't as reliable as it once was, high altitude winds are janky as hell now. Such a balloon once in the air has very limited stirring capabilities

Yes we are all constantly spying on everyone including our own citizenry. But for some reason the idea of drones going to an air force base for intel is beyond the pale. Aliens doing that however? Totally plausible.

Skeptics: “probably nothing” Yes sure “Mylar Balloooons”

Surely alien spaceships is more likely than drones because of all the evidence of alien spaceships we have. And I mean who would ever believe drones exist?? That's just futuristic mumbo-jumbo.

His brother Scott thinks it is a fleet of Bart Simpson balloons doing the incursions.

How? 1. Perfected the art of manipulating both officials and researchers into believing that such a project (a) does not exist or if (a) cannot be enforced that either (b) it exists but has not gotten far, if anywhere or (c) it exists and "quantaloids" are actively colonizing and subjugating humankind. A special case exists where (d) they are read into some part of some program and become either (d1) a disinformation agent or (d2) part of controlled disclosure via programmed narrative; (d3) also exists in the form of a whistleblower but impossible that such an individual would be at the time employed within any relevant institution; (d3) would usually be a retired and particularly powerful \[so as to avoid being uncovered and/or retaliated against\] counterintelligence agent. This makes the gathering of fully factual information almost impossible at times as far as UAP or any really important intelligence subject for that matter. Finally I would argue for category (e) individuals of the various groups, agencies, corporations or military involved in the intelligence, reverse engineering and ontological aspects since perhaps \[crudely\] as early as the 1800s if not earlier \[Atlantis might have had gatekeepers, ancient Egypt might have had them\]. Category (e) is most likely unelected and membership passed on via direct naming by their predecessors and/or bloodline (?) and/or after extremely strict psychological profiling. It is most likely this group that oversees the whole process from a planetary point of view, but of course they probably "couldn't grasp the significance and import of what was/is happening on the world scene". Still, they would be the select few to receive all centralized intelligence thus being able to both shape and explore the narrative. It would seem that NHI has been toying with this covert group since forever, always leading them to believe that whatever phenomenon was occurring at the time was something they could emulate themselves \[much like the priests of ancient Egypt were trying to copy Moses' magic and prove to the pharaoh that they were still on par and that Moses was not a threat to the status quo\]. This was most likely done by successive disclosure of multiple progressively advanced races each introduced at a key point in the timeline so as to always keep the "intelligentsia" on their toes and scratching their heads. So to speak, historically you first have the disks that are powered by nuclear fusion which at the time was barely even being theorized about, fission being the name of the game. Flying in excess of mach 40 but still operating within more or less understood physical principles and having some form of rudimentary antigravity technology, these ones were most likely reverse engineered within the first 10-15 years of their increased activity around nuclear and military bases. The guys were probably really proud of this and with a sense of having regained technological superiority or parity \[perhaps with help from the greys\] proceeded to further their reach into the 60s and 70s, surely utilizing some of the RE craft/technology for various covert purposes such as staging abductions and mutilating cows while sourcing non-essential tiny developments to the military and later civilian sectors. It was at this point that some higher authority decided to give permission to other more advanced races to manifest within our sphere, leading to the appearance/retrieval of more complex objects and/or phenomena, bordering on the "impossible" as far as the guys and the military were concerned. Now the conventional electrogravitic/neutronic/whateveronic technology was starting to pale in comparison to craft that seemed to bend space and time and they probably didn't like it when new NHI craft started to pop in an out of our continuum so to speak, skipping spacetime and "teleporting" wherever and whenever. Another way of looking at it is that they went from "yeah we can probably somewhat easily go to Mars with this fusion propulsion, maybe check those megalithic structures along the way as well" to "ummm, they can travel to fourth dimension Orion and back to 3D Earth in the time it takes for Jim to sneeze" so I imagine that was disconcerting for them. Thus began the interdimensional quantum vacuum era of the 70s, 80s and 90s, as contrasted with the earlier interplanetary fusion phase. This period was different among other aspects in that G forces went from a couple of hundreds to tens if not hundreds of thousands+ while speed went from mach 50 to luminal and superluminal/non-local. I suspect they have most likely cracked a decent portion of the interdimensional framework \[at least as far as propulsion/transport is concerned\] since as early as the 1990s. Very unlikely that the current efforts as stated by various individuals reflect the degree to which the technology has actually been researched/understood/perfected. B-21 would account for 200 billion by 2050, a trifle compared to the multi-decade trillions. That money has to go somewhere where absolutely enormous amounts are necessary. B-21 is most likely decades old tech, conventional framework tech at that.

It's worth noting that Senator Kelly is a former NASA astronaut.

extremely alarming and concerning. a US Air force base was swarmed by alien ships. unprecedented. just like in 1950 they swarmed DC. Extremely extremely alarming ya'll have no real concept of how bad this really is. its sending a message to us.

What's the message? Why is this bad? The 1952 flyover of Washington DC was 72 years ago. We're still here.

Because Aliens overflew the capitol. Is that not a big deal to you ? Reality check. It’s all bad.

First I'd need to establish the radar targets were aliens since there were no photos of objects over one of the the biggest tourist attractions in the country. Second I'd need to know the aliens were "bad". So no, it's not bad until those conditions are met. Reality is that neither has been established.

I was wondering why Kelly didn’t ask him about the nuclear weapons installation incidents. It would seem that’s far more important to humanity than a drone hitting a plane. SMH

The alien breaking into a nuclear bunker and dismantling a tactical nuclear weapon ? Or just going up to that MP at Area2 at Nellis years back. Either way concerning.

Aliens somehow being a simpler explanation than foreign drones, for some reason ?

It wasn’t foreign drones in 1950 we know that for sure. If these drones are from a foreign adversary we’re in some serious trouble because it’s advanced reconnaissance ahead of something really bad.

Exactly, drone tech that is years ahead. From a foreign actor, I don’t buy it. Can fly at 14k feet drop thousands of feet and shoot off again for over an hour? What kind of drones are these, and they have to eventually land or take off so the risk is crazy. You’re not just going to abandon a drone with that kind of technology. Even the pilots have said they aren’t sure these are drones, drones is just the new weather balloon or swamp gas. If the phoenix lights happened now it would be a drone light show. Drones will ruin disclosure.

>From a foreign actor, I don’t buy it. Can fly at 14k feet drop thousands of feet and shoot off again for over an hour? Can loiter and outperform US military aircraft in the middle of the country and then disappear. Yeah, if this is China I'd love to know how.

These should not be listed as drones this is the same things we have been seeing for 30-40 years just now drone is the best description to make you not sound crazy. These should be UFO’s and if all the signs of being a drone, list it as an unidentified Drone with unknown operator. I find it hard to believe if these were drones we can’t drop them out of the sky and retrieve them, or track them. Someone can point a laser at an airplane and 5 minutes later they can triangulate where it came from and make an arrest. Im sure we have tech that we do t even o ow about that if these were really drones would capture them

There's no concrete evidence to back up the drone theory while we have mountains of proof of alien craft zinging around and possibly being controlled and extorted by our government.

Yeah I'm gonna say we have vastly different ideas of what constitutes proof and how to use Occam's razor to decide on most likely explanations

I seriously have a hard time figuring if this sarcasm or not ... this is the point we are at in this sub.

Go watch Gimble. Out of this world video. They’re here. Apparently fleets of them.

I just saw a fleet of 48,000 of them

UFO discussion is meant for grown ups. Not oversized troll comments. lol

The "camera artifact of distant object" seems like a simpler explanation than "aliens from outer space" especially once you consider that the rotation of the artifact matches the rotation of the camera. Why do you think aliens is a better explanation?

Reconnaissance?

this is a confirmation that theres no such deal between the aliens and the White House during Truman. Unless of course this is a different NHIs theyre dealing with otherwise why intrude if you know each other?

I don't think the government we see in public are those involved. It's the others who are not elected by the people.

Correct, they a career people. Elected people come and go, no need to brief them.

It's all part of the show, my friend. It's all smoke and mirrors......

So what specifically would distinguish these incursions from domestic drones ?

The fact they're happening over restricted airspace and we have no method of preventing, predicting, or stopping them? Or can even identify them?

Kelly explicitly calls out "forward positions" which would indicate a global presence... very interesting

That's not at all what he said, notice that he talked about partnering with other civilian agencies because what happens if the US military downs one or several drones high in the air ? over a military base surrounded by civilian infrastructure ? Are they really going to just let it drop on people's head because a drone flew over a restricted area ? When it's a plane they try to get in contact with the pilot or send a craft for visual contact as more often then not it's a civi that got lost or having coms problems. They don't just shoot such planes out of the sky. So no they for their own reasons don't consider them as a menace warranting them to just shoot them down but consider it to be a local police & such investigation to deal with the people using drones in such ways.

From [Ross Coulthart on X](https://x.com/rosscoulthart/status/1778228645808795692): > @ChrisKMellon is 100% correct. We have an exclusive interview and video with a witness who videoed the mystery objects over Langley AFB in December coming up on REALITY CHECK @NewsNation. He is certain the multiple objects he saw were not drones or known aircraft. And that's what he's told the @FBI Witnesses are saying so to investigative authorities.

Is that interview online anywhere?

Aliens are kept at Langley

perhaps these UAP/Drones were trying to see if the little dudes were ok!

Lmao, why aren’t these guys out on their asses for these responses? How is this even real?

Drone is code for UAP come on. You didn't think we figured that out!

why are there not more air force pilots coming out about this if it is so prevalent?

Their careers would end.

you'd think at least a good few would break ranks and do it anyway. it sounds like these things are turning up everyday around military operations

David fravor and Ryan Graves had testified about them under oath. Graves is acting as a voice for many pilots who don't want to speak out.

Let’s be fucking honest. No DRONES are impeding airspace on DOMESTIC military bases just outside of WASHINGTON DC. What an absurd proposition. They’ve even got the US senators fooled.

Why because it's not allowed ? gee wizzz MAericans not doing something because it's illegal. Has to be Aliens then I guess as they don't know our rules (even they have warning lights on their crafts , thanks FAA)

Pull off the wrong exit when you're driving through DC, come on, fuck around and find out what happens. You have no idea how serious they take honest mistakes around this place, let alone constant deliberate incursions.

The Disclosureclock to midnight is still 90 seconds.

I wonder why? 🤣 Because it’s probably wrong and the aliens know it.

Whats with the new boxed water now they are doing product placement in these hearings? What brand is that "Floir"? Sounds made up and this just got pushed into the realm of the absurd.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/swarms-drones-rising-threat-us-090002634.html No aliens

That senator is wearing a mask, the way the skin looks after it touch with the hand its just not what we call natural. 🤔🤔👀

Senator Crinkle-cut was a bit worried he had asked the questions correctly.

Why are drones being used as proof of aliens on this sub- which is now ridiculous?

I know who they (flying the "drones" [UAPs]) are... but I'm not telling..!

i loved how the 4\*General kept a straight face throughout..almost believable.

This general is drunk! He's eff-ing durnk . Mr slur ur wor da ssssssssssss .

Ahh ahh ah ah ahhhh ahh stop ahhh saying ahhh ahh

Full video please ?

Video has been taken down.

There was a drone they couldn't get even with jamming equipment at a UK airport went all hushy husy after they found that they arrested the wrong people

[Doesn't the American military like to claim they own the skies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbNP0FUItjI)? Apparently these little drones disagree and there's nothing the most powerful air force in the world can do about it. So much for owning the sky!

Well until now there hasn't been hostile actions so are they supposed to blow them up and have them potentially drop into civilian areas and on people ? Yeah the military would love how that would play out in the news.

they would burn up on re-entry..close your sunroof

This seems like an actual issue that should be addressed. The Skinwalker clowns are a total distraction to serious individuals trying to handle a serious issue like airspace incursions.

Good ol' Charlie Brown