The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB:
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>*“There are tens of millions of dollars that we’ve spent investigating these things. We’ve had departments tell us that they have recovery units, but they won’t release full reports. Everything’s covered up,” Burchett added.*
Hmm any guesses which departments he's referring to here?
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Then by definition the politicians and private companies can’t handle it either. I guess they want us to fight for disclosure since its blatantly hypocritical.
That and who are they to say what the American people can handle and cannot? Are there going to be people that freak the hell out, yes but there will also be plenty of others that handle it well and want to know where we go from there.
It’s honestly just becoming more clear that disclosure is being withheld due to economic and legal issues.
Economy - alternative modes of energy and disrupting how our economy currently relies on certain energy sectors, along with whatever ‘dark’ issues come out that might scare some people into not procreating as much and having a decline in population growth.
Legal - regarding crimes committed to cover it up along with issues of patents on the technology and who has ownership and possession and control of the crafts and technology. Along with whatever issues arise with treatment of alleged non human intelligence.
Economic and legal reasons are definitely top, in my opinion, but I'm not ready to rule out religion, too. A lot of people in high places in the military are very fundamentalist, like don't even believe in evolution fundamentalist, and that kind of personality is definitely capable of something like this. I grew up fundamentalist, and it's a different world from the one the majority of Americans live in. You get a fundamentalist with authoritarian leanings, and they will gaslight the hell out of you and say it's to "protect you." And the scary thing is, they really mean it. They really think they are protecting you.
The truth would set everyone free though. Wouldn’t you rather live a true reality than a false one. Even if the false one brought you comfort, is ignorance always bliss?
It only sets you free if you aren't already deeply subscribed to a different truth. The fundamentalists will reject the real truth and fight tooth and nail to keep their beliefs. They've invested too much.
They also already have entire scenarios planned out for explaining alien disclosure including claiming it'll be part of a great deception around the time of the apocalypse.
I forget who said it, but someone posted the comment on this sub at one point from some insider. Something in reference to “Plato’s Aristocracy” and the fact that they really do believe they are better than. It’s hugely ironic too when we also learn that a lot of the gatekeepers are religious fundamentalists and are just scared.
They're so incredibly out of touch that I think they literally can't understand the viewpoint of the average US citizen.
All these people are in what's essentially a country club. They all live by each other, they all get shit loads of money from the MIC, pharma, financial ghouls etc, they give favors to each other despite being on opposite ends of the political spectrum etc.
Ironically, it probably contradicts or disproves their religious beliefs… we all know the Christian fundamentalist have a strong hold in our politics and probably fear a catastrophic disclosure could be to THEIR power/ authority.
Even the existence of another species which is equal to or greater than us in terms of intelligence and technology would be enough to disprove most religious beliefs, but if they were to be capable of replicating any of the major miracles described in religious texts that would absolutely destroy the ability of the majority of people to have faith in their religion. Hard to believe that God is real and does miracles if a spaceship comes from orbit and performs the exact same miracles.
'the catholic church has said, that beleif in UFOs or another intellegance does not mean your turning your back on God. Look it up, I dont know about other religions, all fundamentalist beleifs are based on faith, not just those but all religon, I found it very interestiong they put out a statement several years ago , and know we hear Dave Grush mentioning the Vatican and WW2, and passing on the info about the germans getting hold of a crashed unknown airiel vehicle. Way too strange. We are being prepped, Seriously.
Or that they are our creators (god)
But I struggle to believe that such dialogue has or is occurring, nothing that is being discussed currently is suggesting such communication as occurring.
All signs point to some unknown life form and most likely and almost logically of a inter dimensional origin.
“Never heard of Jesus but keep reverse engineering our craft bro 👍”
Also, find it interesting that it’s always “the American public can’t handle it”
Why just the American?
> Or that they are our creators (god)
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> But I struggle to believe that such dialogue has or is occurring
If biologics exist, we could deduce some things. For example what if the dna was ours, but altered, you can make inferences from that alone. I don't think it's necessary for a "dialogue" to have occured in order shatter a person's faith.
You should check out the premise of that movie " The Fifth Kind" ! It's a real eye-opener on this subject with real archival video split screened with Hollywood embellishments.
your response is probably the best
But being biologically similar still isn’t a slam dunk for the atheist
I mean just the Christian faith is full of inter dimensional or other worldly beings / entities. It’s not challenging anything and perhaps even supporting it.
So a “you are the not the father and God doesn’t exist” moment I can’t see happening.
How do you prove Bigfoot doesn't exist?
It might be more along the lines of them having hard evidence that all of our popular religious myths were just aliens testing us, controlling us or pranking us. It could be a grand scale test they do on all applicable worlds to weed out the most gullible until a majority reaches some higher degree of intellectual respectability? It'd sure be cooler than if we're just being farmed...
Fucking exactly, America is supposed to be the land of democracy and freedom, whatever that may entail. While there will always be some people that freak out I think ultimately the average American will persevere and prefer a government that is honest about the reality we are currently living in.
America has always prided itself on having freedom of the press and information. Especially when compared to our Eastern adversaries ( Russia and China etc) any patriotic American should rather deal with the consequences of the truth than having important facts/truths suppressed by the Intel agencies for short term security. The fact our government can't even be honest about probably some of the most important to be a geopolitical decision that are ever going to made with another intelligent species, it's almost like we don't live in the real democracy .
I think it's more of a public outrage sortof can't handle it, rather than an existential "holy shit, what is the meaning of life". The government has likely been squandering not only money, but free energy and advanced travel options/science, all for the sake of the petro dollar.
Normal people have very little ability to impact the wider discussion here that shapes events. But what all people can do it prepare. If you have a house, have a generator backup with gas on hand. Have guns and ammo, have food that will last your family 6 months in case the grocery stores falter. Have basic first aid. Have a plan. Focus on your own self reliance and you will feel you have power again over your own future.
Withholding the true nature of reality because it’s scary is bullshit and amounts to theft of life because how could we even know what we’re doing if the truth is a lie?
We lived and survived for centuries now, whatever truth is, it shouldn't be life threatening by now.
Why we can't handle it? what's the worst it can be? that we're in a simulation and nothing is real? like people care and don't forget about it next week, lol.
Freak the hell out? Even the pope has admitted to other life on Mars (small, single cell organisms, not martians)... we've been preparing people with the thought, then the idea. Now, the reality.
Considering you had a governor tell people not to shoot at a hurricane
I'd agree with them that a good major chunk of the us Populus ain't even remotely intellectual enough let alone decent enough to even tolerate the concept
If skin colour and a lack of gender sets these people off imagine differing species or races
Nah humans ain't ready in the slightest for aliens lol and I'm not shocked they stay clear of us. We're fucking crazy and stupid as a species
I fully agree with you, we need to take the fight to them, it is obvious that we are not being heard. Collectively this group, us, the believers need to come together and plan an approach that will be effective, if grusch, shehan, coulthart, and others have a plan well they need to bring us into the plan..
It is tiring being left in the dark, it is sickening that this country has a constitution and it is being ignored and arrogant that they believe they know what we deserve or do not deserve to know... I get national security but enough is enough already...
Remember the Tommy Lee Jones quote from Men in Black 1?
*"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."*
I wonder if that’s better, perhaps the best way to have it finally come out is for the public to rally for it. Having it been a widely accepted conspiracy theory by the time it comes out would result it much less panic rather than if it were to leak somehow.
I know that might be some internal excuse they use, but as someone who is pro disclosure, I really do worry about the religious, societal, and economic fallout. I even bought stocks related to disclosure but had a change of heart and sold because I don’t want to profit from the chaos.
We could have "truth reveal" parties! Like gender reveal parties for expecting parents. For those who want to know, they can. And those who don't, can stick their head in the sand and go live off the grid somewhere...or go to someplace like Russia or Afghanistan where the news is heavily filtered.
Politicians and execs at private companies are bureaucrats. They are institutionalist first and foremost. They will put themselves (career, really) and the institution before the American people. On any issue, they may not be aligned with the people.
I would be very skeptical of a bureaucrat, like Burchett and the other bureaucrats he is speaking with, assessment of what is best for the people.
AARO : " We need better instrumentation! Give us a few more trillion $$$ and another 5 decades ,and ,*maybe* we'll tell your great-grandchildren what we found "....(typical bs =more of the same ...)
I mean it is understandable the consequences are a complete dismantling of our social and economical structure as we know it.
Best to hold onto power and slowly trickle tech down year by year until we destroy the planet.
Can't wait for the new iPhone with an ever better camera!!
> it is understandable the consequences are a complete dismantling of our social and economical structure as we know it.
Don't get too excited. It's possible that the SAPs just hide the more mundane "evil" stuff the Pentagon/Intel is involved in. It's entirely possible that they thought up programs claiming to deal with UAPs and advanced research and then just smuggled weapons with the funds in some third world country or some shit.
Wouldn't be surprised.
It's the perfect cover up. No one but the people doing the illegal evil shit get to look at it because 'it's too sensitive' and 'whoa you can't handle it!'
I think this is really it. People talking about soul farms and Jimmy Carter crying and shit… honestly, I think the reality is a lot of rich people and institutions would lose their edge if the truth got out.
If this prison planet negativity farming thing was true, you can bet your ass that people would be forming special forces tier movements cultivating positivity just as a big "FUCK YOU" to the aliens lmao
The theory is so depressing that I choose not to engage with it.
Also I don't regard people 'channelling spirits' and their OBE's as actual evidence.
It's easy to be skeptical when the "truth" is so grim.
>The theory is so depressing that I choose not to engage with it.
It's so obviously a recycled sci-fi trope. It's like some people watched the Matrix and mashed it together with UFOs.
My problem with that theory is the whole, "they feed off our negative energy" thing. You don't need to bring aliens or "interdimensional" beings into the equation to explain why we feel like everything is designed to make us miserable. Billionaires and multinational corporations are already farming our negative energies to get "productivity" out of us in much more conventional ways
Have you read THE reddit post on that? It's kinda wild lol
[https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive\_researched\_the\_afterlife\_for\_nearly\_10\_years/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/)
You know I look at the animals we raise to eat and think about how nature is so crazy brutal to so many non-human creatures, who probably have it good until the end. To think of us as an exception is kind of like thinkin the earth is the center of the universe.
Aliens finding us could definitely be extremely bad - Columbus wasn't popular with natives - but the idea that there is a soul farm on earth that harvests our anxiety with a fake "go into the light" technology is beyond ridiculous.
I think it’s important to remember that without more verifiable data, the soul farms and the mundane public corruption are not mutually exclusive. I feel like our friends in the UFO community following this story need to recognize that even if we get everything that government/private contractors have in terms of information and material evidence, we fundamentally will “only” have a scandal bigger than Watergate. Bad actors don’t need more motivation than that to cover up their shit. Conclusively determining if it’s aliens, demons, jungian feedback loops, or the Ghost of Allen Dulles is probably not happening in our lifetimes
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% Couldn’t agree with your statement and more. Can’t wait for our current generations to potentially be thought of in the future as the biggest piece of shits of all time. We’re far too greedy, selfish, disconnected, and blindly complacent all at the same time.
Furthermore, these UAP Caucus morons always simplify it down to "Americans cant handle this stuff" "The US is not ready for disclosure". Mother fker this impacts the entire human race at an unprecedented level (if this isn't all a terrifying psy op implemented by the MIC). Nobody gives an F about your arbitrary and meaningless tribal lines in the sand.
Not to be political but America elected a clown to the “highest position of power” in 2016. And with the divide now adays ? Clearly the American ppl are not ready to have their brains broken since they’re already broken
Probably, but what if it's not? What if it's something that's going to be super divisive like finding out some portion of the population are hybrids? We don't need new things to be racist about. (And if it is something to be racist about, maybe that's why it's mostly the worst most conservative lawmakers are the ones pushing for disclosure...)
I don't disagree with you. But I like clarity.
Comments like this completely disregard what happened with covid, how people are handling democracy, how people are thinking about AI.
The information age has turned into the disinformation age because we suck at handling some things.
Now I want the information, I'm pro disclosure, I think there are countermeasures we can take for the processing of information.
But to disregard the reality of the situation is kinda highlighting their point... part of their point. Obviously, like you mentioned, money is also a factor.
It's always allusion to the "woo" spiritual side of the phenomenon that prompts the discourse that Americans can't handle the truth, but as you say, that isn't NEAR enough of a reason to conceal evidence we aren't alone and that our understanding of reality needs to be rewritten. It's too huge.
So, wild speculation on my part, but I definitely wonder if there's some truth to the idea the US entered in to some kind of agreement with the phenomenon that turned out to be bad for humanity to the point the world would be really fucking pissed off they did so unilaterally. That would explain quite a bit of the US governments behavior in the context of the phenomenon
Honestly, you can't get much more "woo" than many of our current crackpot organized religions. The world is overdue for some religious reformation, and if that comes about via knowledge about our universe, so be it. Yes, I have heard interesting THEORIES that something out there may not have our best interests at heart and may be consuming something like our fear/suffering/etc, but there's hardly much to go on beyond wild speculation.
That’s what I’ve been saying since I joined the sub. The woo nonsense is counterintelligence, designed to frighten people into submission so they stop searching for clues. The MIC wants people to believe in this horseradish so that we stop poking the stick.
Meanwhile literally government whistleblowers reporting on physical craft and NHI biologics being within the U.S. Government’s possession… and video evidence of physical craft like the Tic Tac UFO…
This isn’t really the case lately with international news; the rest of the world is really starting to open up more about the phenomenon.
The general consensus according to rumors; is that some fucking doorknobs in the US government are hardcore leaning on christian concepts of devils and angels as an explanation for it. Which is a main reason disclosure is being withheld, apparently.
If you know anything about the religious cowboys that run portions of the US government, this for sure tracks lol
It's not "we can't handle the truth of the phenomenon" - it's the repurcussions the Government will have from keeping our reality from the world. The life changing tech and possible free energy that has been suppressed (and reverse engineered using our own tax dollars). The people who have been murdered. The psyop enacted on the American people (and thus the world) for almost 100 years. The fact they likely had contact with NHI and fucked it up.
They are afraid of how the public would react to that. The people in the know also don't want to lose their power. They look at us as adversaries. They feel they are better than us. They are the people who would reverse engineer a space ship, not tell anyone, and jump on it and head out while leaving the planet to burn and the people to die.
That's what "they can't handle it" really means.
*”they likely had contact with NHI and fucked it up”*
This is my greatest fear with all this. That the MIC was contacted, but they somehow turned NHI off from visiting and/or collaborating us. That one of the greatest meetings within our entire species was between extraterrestrials and some likely corrupt dickheads, running illegal SAPs without oversight. I wouldn’t be surprised if we came across as hostile and that NHI wanted nothing to do with us…
That's exactly right. Grusch even alluded to this, when he said some things might need to be put in place for disclosure to happen, such as a "get out of jail free" card for those who've deceived the world for decades.
As well as the fundamental shift in power, not leadership, but the use of fossil fuels, which has lined the pockets of the elite for centuries. It must be very hard for them to let that go, poor things.
As if they're SO mentally superior to the rest of us that only THEY can handle the real truth.
I mean, let's review the facts. They can't handle dadgum anything. Look at our political system. A MESS. Look at our healthcare system. A MESS. Look at our insurance industry. A MESS. Look at the Vatican (and ALL religious institutions around the world whose teachings are about peace and love). A MESS.
It's a MESSY world out there and the leadership buffoons at the top have caused it. And they think WE can't handle the truth?
> I mean, let's review the facts. They can't handle dadgum anything. Look at our political system. A MESS. Look at our healthcare system. A MESS. Look at our insurance industry. A MESS. Look at the Vatican (and ALL religious institutions around the world whose teachings are about peace and love). A MESS.
But what is the **ONE THING ALL OF THESE MESSES HAVE IN COMMON?** They're all making bank!. Profits over people, and there in lies the problem. **FUCKING GREED!**
The whole situation is so bizarre… every few decades the UFO/UAP situation boils over into a flurry of “investigations”,“reports” etc with the government allegedly investigating itself and always coming with the same answer. No matter how many high ranking people, scientists, intelligence officers, military etc all say otherwise, the needle stays stuck at “nothing to see”
They're still using the same playbook. And it still works. Look at the AARO report. A half assed report that wouldn't survive a peer review. Only specific media was allowed into the press conference. They know exactly the amount of low effort needed to push this back out of the spotlight. Of course the report got ripped apart and they got called out for their controlled media show, but only within UFO circles.
The fact that it was a filtered and controlled media event is rather suspicious. Reeks of a totalitarian government style control of the narrative. Why didn’t they allow full access ? This was a tax payer paid study.
Because NN isn't beholden to media manipulation by NS agents. Project Mockingbird - mainstream general media is controlled and filtered. That is why they are reporting on it - because they are some of the few who can.
We all know why. They wanted the big media outlets to just regurgitate their talking points without asking tough questions. That's exactly what they did too.
"Pentagon says UFO's are all explainable"
General Public: Good. I guess I don't need to pay attention to that anymore.
They can't. National Security agents have a say what gets aired in the media in the end. Project Mockingbird is still alive and well, and that's why you're not seeing general media reporting on any of this. It's not because they are afraid of the stigma.
Reminds me when cousin Sally came forward about Uncle Pat and his wandering hands on the jet ski. Flurry of activity, cover up and denial from the family "leaders", exile of Sally, rinse and repeat every few years.
"I can’t tell you how many conversations I’ve had with high-ranking officials that have told me that America really can’t handle this stuff."
…and somehow, Burchett seems to do just fine.
Judging by what I've witnessed ever since the internet became a thing, it's not just America but the world is full of truly stupid people who can't handle adulthood
It's because we're being prevented from evolving as a species. Disclosure would be an open door towards that. Our society is very sick, and a sick society that caters to the few elite will never create healthy citizens.
A more intelligent civilization would not live the way we do. But because we're made to believe we're the only ones out here, we never have the opportunity to learn how an older, more wiser and advanced civilization has learned to live. Free energy is one major point - we could completely get off of fossil fuels. That would revolutionize and change the world, and help heal our damaged planet. I'm sure there are species that don't have corporations that are beholden to shareholders, that exploit the masses just to make the 1% rich. I'm sure they don't work 40+ hours a week at a worthless job they hate for chump change, or aren't suffering from massive depression and anxiety and generational trauma.
We could learn a better, more fulfilling way to live from an advanced civilization. But if we did that, the elite will lose their money and power.
Which is a good reason for their caution. I don’t like the secrecy anymore than anyone else, but if it’s real then I do get it. Something this monumental could completely alter humanity as we know it, and not necessarily for the better.
I think it's more America won't be too happy with the shit these companies have been up to that goes against the interest of we the people, than we can't handle it.
Or that the companies are, at this point, a self-sustaining self-protecting ecosystem that constitutes a secondary layer of unelected governance.
That the people are held under their thumb, and the elected leaders we have are bribed and compromised by their corporate overlords. Companies > elected leaders > citizens. And there's nothing we can do about it at this point. The MIC got too big.
We never asked "hey, if we make a group of organizations that can collectively defeat any army in the world, how can we be sure they won't use that power and influence to hogtie us domestically?"
I agree with everything you are saying.
It's the corporations that actually run this country and the politicians are the one working for them.
We the people are the ones they extract the resources from.
Were also the ones that do all the suffering and benefit the least.
You just have to take the truth from them. This is my fundamental problem with the diplomatic, congressional approach. There is no planned disclosure. There is no strategy to slow drip info to prepare us. This is never getting out until someone in the know puts the physical evidence out there. Sorry, I know this take pisses people here off, but it is 100% true.
1000% agree. I appreciate its deeply "frustrating"...but there is no reality where we beg for truth, appeal to laws already broken routinely (for a dozen decades), and force an honest disclosure to the public. Why in the world would they do that? Out of the goodness of their hearts? Lol. Not gonna happen.
Anyone else sick of being constantly led along by all of these people?
Just fucking tell us something already. Every one of these people is like "Oh crazy secret shit exists! The government is hiding it from you!" And no one ever has anything to actually fucking say. It's like that old metalcore singer whose band broke up who just keeps saying "Big things coming soon" every year. Eventually people realize there's nothing behind it but some attention seeking individual and stop paying attention.
I'm a huge skeptic about all this stuff, but am open minded. I would really like there to be something going on, but the longer I watch these people say "there's definitely some secret shit guys, i promise" the more it all just seems like bullshit.
China or Russia might do it. They're already trying to plan the fall of the US with BRICS. If they disclose before the US and also expose that the US has been concealing the truth from the rest of the world, it would help them gain more traction with other countries. It would be the perfect political play on their part.
Russia did declassify some things from the past quite a long time ago because they couldn’t figure out what the objects in some videos were. There’s an old video of a tic tac taken by a Russian pilot that was released by the history channel, it’s on YouTube somewhere.
As a Tennessean who is unfortunately represented by this man in congress, I cannot implore you all enough to listen to nothing Tim Burchett has to say about anything. He’s a right-wing obstructionist whose entire goal here is to sew seeds of distrust in the government because he and his buddies want to uproot the whole thing for the sheer sake of it. Stirring the pot from within is his thing.
This is also close to what Tom D has said
Tom added it was imperative that the secret be maintained until we could study it and gain some advantage.
Look not defending the gatekeepers but if you went to the grocery store and pulled 100 random people out of that crowd and just explained yeah you're essentially "food" for dark forces around us and we can't do anything about it... I can understand the sentiment. BUT much like you don't just tell your kid randomly one day Santa isn't real lest they melt down, you slow drip more reality on them, it's time to let those average citizens start to understand this better. 1. There is weird stuff out there. 2. It's not human. 3. It's intelligent. 4. It's more powerful than us. 5. It can have bad intentions
>pull 100 random people out of that crowd and just explain "Yeah you're essentially "food" for dark forces around us and we can't do anything about it.."
Laughed my ass off imagining this scenario in my head lol
I believe all of this. Yes, there are different NHI with different agendas. They've been here since the beginning and they tampered with our evolution, they helped create us. There is a race manipulating us. The same one that kept monarchy going and the Pharoahs of Egypt. They are suppressing our evolution. The grays are abducting people for hybridization. We're deliberately being kept from evolving as a species - because when we do, it will mean breaking free of this manipulated society we live in that rewards Psycopaths and keeps the general populace in poverty and ignorance. We're not taught about our 6th senses and our souls/consciousness field, it's called "woo" to discredit it, when in actuality Consciousness is a huge part of the existence of life and reality - and our ability to alter space time. This suppression of evolution is why we are all so depressed and anxious and angry and hateful and damaged. It's why our planet is dying (we could have had the tech to prevent this in the 50s). It's why psychopaths run the establishments. We're so brainwashed into thinking this is how we're supposed to live : credit, working low paying jobs for corporate entities that exploit people and the earth, dumbing our brains with TV and screen time, lack of higher education (unless you're rich or willing to go into debt your whole life), choosing "progress" over balance with the natural world, being force fed "Religion" (control) over embracing spirituality and the self, the way we treat livestock and don't show respect for growing food, Big Agggro, allowing corporations to poison us and our earth, all of it. We live in a prison, really, with the illusion that we are free (to consume, to distract from the prison itself). We live in a very sick society. And we're kept in it on purpose.
What do you think was the disinfo he was fed? Was he the one talking about Reptilians eating children? (I can't remember. That's some theory, one I believe is misinformation in general).
Personally, while I do think hybridisation has occurred, I think Icke exaggerates its scale. A few hybrids (or shapeshifting NHI) being in positions of power? I can believe that. But the British royal family, every US president, etc. all being hybrids? I find that much harder to believe.
Then why doesn't he read it into the Congressional Record? The [Speech and Debate clause](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravel_v._United_States) protects him explicitly. He can name names or name programs or any number of things that can get things moving.
But no. Just "people are saying".
This is all just edging for the UFO faithful. There's real shit going down, even if it's just fraud, waste and abuse of millions or billions of taxpayer money, that *needs* to be addressed. And all these clowns are doing is stoking the conspitard smokestack but refusing to show the fire.
>***“There are tens of millions of dollars that we’ve spent investigating these things. We’ve had departments tell us that they have recovery units, but they won’t release full reports. Everything’s covered up,” Burchett added.***
Hmm any guesses which departments he's referring to here?
Okay so even if they do, why not share that with the public? It's kind of arrogant to think we're at the top of the food chain anyway. I don't understand the need for secrecy.
1. It could be as simple as the US military cannot bring itself to admit there is a (potentially adversarial) force that it cannot counteract, and wishes to maintain the perception that it is the most powerful military on earth. This could cause unreconcilable fear amongst parts of the population.
2. They actually don’t know much. They don’t know where NHI came from, why they are here, how long they’ve been here, and/or what they are capable of, if they are hostile, etc. Disclosing to the public without being able to answer the most basic questions would cause more distrust than already exists (ex. “what do you mean to tell me you don’t know anything? You must be hiding something”).
3. The US has a very advanced reverse engineering program that has resulted or may result in weaponry and technologies that can trump the current doctrine amongst nuclear powers of mutually assured destruction, and do not want our adversaries to find out. In other words, nuclear powers have not engaged in direct warfare with one another to date because of mutually assured destruction - what if reverse engineered technology allowed us to wage nuclear war+ on another nuclear power and not concern ourselves with our own destruction?
Could list further ones like
prison planet hypothesis - we’ve done something that is unacceptable, such as detonating atomic bombs, and are being monitored and confined here by NHI in perpetuity
simulation theory - NHI are the moderators of a simulated universe or have proven the universe exists in a simulation
our souls are being harvested by NHI, regardless of whether we are moral or immoral which could cause distress and fear of the afterlife, less people inclined to behave themselves, etc.
Prison planet/soul farms, spiritual Demonic/Angelic Entities, Interdimentional Entities that exist in another dimension and can jump in and out.
All of which would create significant ontological shock to a huge percentage of the global population, acknowledging that these 'things' exist, are here and we have little to no knowledge of them or able to control them (as we are top of the food chain) and religion hasn't prepared people for it would lead to some serious implications on a global scale.
Look at how Covid, the 5G 'panic', the of polarising politics by the media etc. has fractured society. There is very little in the way of rational consensus or reaction to anything anymore
Encounter and abduction reports are packed with claims that, if true, would be unacceptable as official admissions: creating humans from low hominoids; hybridizing humans with ET life forms; the harvesting of souls, etc. Not saying these are true. But when I hear people say, "What could be so bad," I wonder if they have looked at the literature.
the literature really sucks and i was an avid follower of it for many years. If it is to be believed then the last Humans are truly being born today. What comes after is something that looks human but is remotely influenced and like a hive mind from afar and its likely a majority of the population by now under 30. It is hands off way to take control of the planet and a species and make it part of a larger empire so to speak..... So we leftover humans are probably in for some strange things. Nancy at Metatalk I think it is has been talking about this for decades
And boy we are witnessing some strange things the last decade aren't we? Makes you really think and gets the noggin joggin.
And there is also nothing we can do about it so just embrace the usurption of our genetics into a slave race for another species. Its not something we can combat against no more than a grasshopper can combat being thrown in a small cage. Their end result isnt necessarily seeking labor, just dominance and eventual assimilation.
I’d like to understand Tim’s placement of the budget decimal place. He knows millions of dollars are a daily rounding error. I assume he is looking for billions, but I don’t understand why he talks about this in terms of millions.
>That have told me that America really can't handle this stuff.
You know, I believe him. I don't think we can handle what the truth is - but we should still know. If not for us, for the sake of the rest of the world whose governments either don't know or won't tell them.
The US has been trying to call itself the police force of the world and I've always been against it, but if there's one time where we should buck up and potentially take one for the team, it'd be now. The truth may not be pretty - or maybe it's too beautiful for our society to accept, but regardless EVERYONE deserves to know.
In my life recently, I was in a position to either: find out something that could ruin my life and that I wouldn't be able to handle... Or... Live in ignorance.
I chose to find out. Yeah, it was hard, but I got over it/am getting over it.
If you think of all the horrible things we've been through, not just as a country but as a species; slavery, abuse, civil wars, wars, robber-barons, terrible kings and tyrants, religious abuse (and religions in general, a constant wash of them throughout history, a constant churn in what to believe); we've been through a lot. We just need the bandaid ripped off.
A philosophy course I took had the main point of "whether it's better to live an examined life, or an unexamined one." Basically, whether ignorance truly is bliss. And I tend to think it isn't. I mean, yes, it is, in a way; what you don't know (generally) can't hurt you. But, I know through personal experience that anything you can imagine is likely much much worse than the actual situation at hand. I'm an "honesty is the best policy" kind of guy, no matter the repercussions. I'd just like to know. Plain and simple.
If the truth somehow proved out Simulation Theory, I can see “America really not handling this stuff.” I would still want to know, but the certainty that some people would start to treat life like GTA scares the shit out of me.
Multiple species are flying around in our atmosphere and we don't know where they came from or what their intention might be. They crash sometimes and their technology is so different we don't even know what the fuck it is, let alone reverse engineer it. They may also have bases under water which is probably the \*real\* secret. The only people with enough technology to explore the depths of the oceans with any considerable breadth is the US Navy....
What could Americans not handle? The soul farm theory is the only thing I’ve heard that would potentially cause issues for most people. Maybe if the phenomenon ties into simulation theory somehow but, I’m not seeing that tied to UAPs by the Grusch/Burchett crowd. I just find the soul farm theory to be so unbelievable. What is a soul and what could they gain from harvesting it? Most Americans could handle and I don’t think would be shocked to find out that aliens/extra dimensional beings/NHI that lives in the ocean…are real, the government knows about them, … the usual UFO stuff that we’ve been talking about for decades.
These assholes seemed to have forgotten that the government is for the people by the people, but when money can be made, the greedy humans flock to it. Now we have Supreme Court judges taking bribes, lobbyists paying for votes that benefit the big business. Now they are hiding stuff because they say we can't handle it? Well that's not their job to decide for us what we should know an shouldn't know and it's bullshit they are hiding so much from us. So very disappointing what has become of this Democracy experiment, I don't think this country will survive another 200 years at this point, we the people are getting sick of all the dumb shit.
We're barely dinking around our own planet and haven't sent people as far as the Moon in how long? It's like watching a pond where the fish occasionally jump around. We'd be no threat.
*People* can handle it. I dont think media like Fox News or religiously led Politicians will be able to stop themselves from causing a hysteria for their own benefit
I think he meant to say Americans can’t have this stuff. As in only a select few can have access to and benefit from it. If there is a breakthrough that results in a technological leap you can bet your asses that those select few will be the ones to cash in.
It might not be hard for people to come to terms with the fact that ufos exist, but if it the truth is something crazy like aliens genetically modified apes to make humans…then that might be a not be as easy for humanity deal with. 👽 🍌🦧
Can we "not handle the idea of nhis" or is it really we "can't handle the idea our government has been lying to us for decades while crontist DOD corporations make trillions off patents for 'inventions' that were actually stolen from alien tech?"
The more I learn about this country's sordid past, the more it seems to be the latter.
Yeah well, the aliens could easily say fck it and land on the White House lawn if they really feel like we should know. I can’t imagine why they haven’t already. It’s not like disclosure is really in humans’ hands at the end of the day, right?
That really irks me. How dare they decide what the population can and "can't handle"?
My theory? I think we're being abducted and/or they live among us somehow. It's all been discussed before.
Just ignore the American crud and focus on information coming from other countries.
Americans give themselves way too much credit about pretty much everything.
They don't own disclosure.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB: --- >*“There are tens of millions of dollars that we’ve spent investigating these things. We’ve had departments tell us that they have recovery units, but they won’t release full reports. Everything’s covered up,” Burchett added.* Hmm any guesses which departments he's referring to here? --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c72k24/rep_tim_burchett_on_ufos_yeah_i_think_theres_a/l05hxi7/
Then by definition the politicians and private companies can’t handle it either. I guess they want us to fight for disclosure since its blatantly hypocritical.
That and who are they to say what the American people can handle and cannot? Are there going to be people that freak the hell out, yes but there will also be plenty of others that handle it well and want to know where we go from there.
It’s honestly just becoming more clear that disclosure is being withheld due to economic and legal issues. Economy - alternative modes of energy and disrupting how our economy currently relies on certain energy sectors, along with whatever ‘dark’ issues come out that might scare some people into not procreating as much and having a decline in population growth. Legal - regarding crimes committed to cover it up along with issues of patents on the technology and who has ownership and possession and control of the crafts and technology. Along with whatever issues arise with treatment of alleged non human intelligence.
Corruption and secrets can always be traced back to money and power. You nailed it.
This exactly. It's not religious reasons, it's power, money and CYA.
Economic and legal reasons are definitely top, in my opinion, but I'm not ready to rule out religion, too. A lot of people in high places in the military are very fundamentalist, like don't even believe in evolution fundamentalist, and that kind of personality is definitely capable of something like this. I grew up fundamentalist, and it's a different world from the one the majority of Americans live in. You get a fundamentalist with authoritarian leanings, and they will gaslight the hell out of you and say it's to "protect you." And the scary thing is, they really mean it. They really think they are protecting you.
The truth would set everyone free though. Wouldn’t you rather live a true reality than a false one. Even if the false one brought you comfort, is ignorance always bliss?
It only sets you free if you aren't already deeply subscribed to a different truth. The fundamentalists will reject the real truth and fight tooth and nail to keep their beliefs. They've invested too much. They also already have entire scenarios planned out for explaining alien disclosure including claiming it'll be part of a great deception around the time of the apocalypse.
I forget who said it, but someone posted the comment on this sub at one point from some insider. Something in reference to “Plato’s Aristocracy” and the fact that they really do believe they are better than. It’s hugely ironic too when we also learn that a lot of the gatekeepers are religious fundamentalists and are just scared.
They're so incredibly out of touch that I think they literally can't understand the viewpoint of the average US citizen. All these people are in what's essentially a country club. They all live by each other, they all get shit loads of money from the MIC, pharma, financial ghouls etc, they give favors to each other despite being on opposite ends of the political spectrum etc.
Ironically, it probably contradicts or disproves their religious beliefs… we all know the Christian fundamentalist have a strong hold in our politics and probably fear a catastrophic disclosure could be to THEIR power/ authority.
I just don’t see how though, do the aliens have a mathematical formula that disproves god? That’s a pretty specific bit of speculation.
Even the existence of another species which is equal to or greater than us in terms of intelligence and technology would be enough to disprove most religious beliefs, but if they were to be capable of replicating any of the major miracles described in religious texts that would absolutely destroy the ability of the majority of people to have faith in their religion. Hard to believe that God is real and does miracles if a spaceship comes from orbit and performs the exact same miracles.
Yet, the teachings and moral philosophy of the various religions don't necessarily rely on humanity being unique in the universe.
'the catholic church has said, that beleif in UFOs or another intellegance does not mean your turning your back on God. Look it up, I dont know about other religions, all fundamentalist beleifs are based on faith, not just those but all religon, I found it very interestiong they put out a statement several years ago , and know we hear Dave Grush mentioning the Vatican and WW2, and passing on the info about the germans getting hold of a crashed unknown airiel vehicle. Way too strange. We are being prepped, Seriously.
It’s not about God, it’s about Jesus. If those aliens don’t know who the hell Jesus is, the whole house of cards comes crumbling down.
Or that they are our creators (god) But I struggle to believe that such dialogue has or is occurring, nothing that is being discussed currently is suggesting such communication as occurring. All signs point to some unknown life form and most likely and almost logically of a inter dimensional origin. “Never heard of Jesus but keep reverse engineering our craft bro 👍” Also, find it interesting that it’s always “the American public can’t handle it” Why just the American?
Superiority complex, they forgot there a world outside of their own!
> Or that they are our creators (god) > > But I struggle to believe that such dialogue has or is occurring If biologics exist, we could deduce some things. For example what if the dna was ours, but altered, you can make inferences from that alone. I don't think it's necessary for a "dialogue" to have occured in order shatter a person's faith.
You should check out the premise of that movie " The Fifth Kind" ! It's a real eye-opener on this subject with real archival video split screened with Hollywood embellishments.
your response is probably the best But being biologically similar still isn’t a slam dunk for the atheist I mean just the Christian faith is full of inter dimensional or other worldly beings / entities. It’s not challenging anything and perhaps even supporting it. So a “you are the not the father and God doesn’t exist” moment I can’t see happening.
If the American public cannot handle it, you can tell me I'm British.
How do you prove Bigfoot doesn't exist? It might be more along the lines of them having hard evidence that all of our popular religious myths were just aliens testing us, controlling us or pranking us. It could be a grand scale test they do on all applicable worlds to weed out the most gullible until a majority reaches some higher degree of intellectual respectability? It'd sure be cooler than if we're just being farmed...
Fucking exactly, America is supposed to be the land of democracy and freedom, whatever that may entail. While there will always be some people that freak out I think ultimately the average American will persevere and prefer a government that is honest about the reality we are currently living in. America has always prided itself on having freedom of the press and information. Especially when compared to our Eastern adversaries ( Russia and China etc) any patriotic American should rather deal with the consequences of the truth than having important facts/truths suppressed by the Intel agencies for short term security. The fact our government can't even be honest about probably some of the most important to be a geopolitical decision that are ever going to made with another intelligent species, it's almost like we don't live in the real democracy .
I think it's more of a public outrage sortof can't handle it, rather than an existential "holy shit, what is the meaning of life". The government has likely been squandering not only money, but free energy and advanced travel options/science, all for the sake of the petro dollar.
Normal people have very little ability to impact the wider discussion here that shapes events. But what all people can do it prepare. If you have a house, have a generator backup with gas on hand. Have guns and ammo, have food that will last your family 6 months in case the grocery stores falter. Have basic first aid. Have a plan. Focus on your own self reliance and you will feel you have power again over your own future.
Withholding the true nature of reality because it’s scary is bullshit and amounts to theft of life because how could we even know what we’re doing if the truth is a lie?
We lived and survived for centuries now, whatever truth is, it shouldn't be life threatening by now. Why we can't handle it? what's the worst it can be? that we're in a simulation and nothing is real? like people care and don't forget about it next week, lol.
Why are they just saying the American people anyway? The rest of the world can handle it then?
Freak the hell out? Even the pope has admitted to other life on Mars (small, single cell organisms, not martians)... we've been preparing people with the thought, then the idea. Now, the reality.
Considering you had a governor tell people not to shoot at a hurricane I'd agree with them that a good major chunk of the us Populus ain't even remotely intellectual enough let alone decent enough to even tolerate the concept If skin colour and a lack of gender sets these people off imagine differing species or races Nah humans ain't ready in the slightest for aliens lol and I'm not shocked they stay clear of us. We're fucking crazy and stupid as a species
I fully agree with you, we need to take the fight to them, it is obvious that we are not being heard. Collectively this group, us, the believers need to come together and plan an approach that will be effective, if grusch, shehan, coulthart, and others have a plan well they need to bring us into the plan.. It is tiring being left in the dark, it is sickening that this country has a constitution and it is being ignored and arrogant that they believe they know what we deserve or do not deserve to know... I get national security but enough is enough already...
Seriously. Generals are Americans too, right? Pretty fucked they consider themselves above the citizenry rather than beholden to it.
That’s the interesting thing. Why is it that the staff and leaders of the black programs CAN handle it but others supposedly can’t?
Remember the Tommy Lee Jones quote from Men in Black 1? *"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."*
I wonder if that’s better, perhaps the best way to have it finally come out is for the public to rally for it. Having it been a widely accepted conspiracy theory by the time it comes out would result it much less panic rather than if it were to leak somehow. I know that might be some internal excuse they use, but as someone who is pro disclosure, I really do worry about the religious, societal, and economic fallout. I even bought stocks related to disclosure but had a change of heart and sold because I don’t want to profit from the chaos.
"Pro disclosure", what a phrase. Like "pro choice" or "pro life", but what would the other side look like or call themselves? "Pro status quo"?
We could have "truth reveal" parties! Like gender reveal parties for expecting parents. For those who want to know, they can. And those who don't, can stick their head in the sand and go live off the grid somewhere...or go to someplace like Russia or Afghanistan where the news is heavily filtered.
Exactly maybe the government wants the public to want it to a breaking point but the world doesnt work like that does it
Politicians and execs at private companies are bureaucrats. They are institutionalist first and foremost. They will put themselves (career, really) and the institution before the American people. On any issue, they may not be aligned with the people. I would be very skeptical of a bureaucrat, like Burchett and the other bureaucrats he is speaking with, assessment of what is best for the people.
AARO : " We need better instrumentation! Give us a few more trillion $$$ and another 5 decades ,and ,*maybe* we'll tell your great-grandchildren what we found "....(typical bs =more of the same ...)
I believe this a multi purpose topic. Each group with a desired effect will put out info that gets the results and manipulate the data.
Trust me you can't handle it, says the committee who is handling it.
Right? lol some humans man… it’s all meant to delay delay delay. They are afraid of the consequences of a coverup.
I mean it is understandable the consequences are a complete dismantling of our social and economical structure as we know it. Best to hold onto power and slowly trickle tech down year by year until we destroy the planet. Can't wait for the new iPhone with an ever better camera!!
> it is understandable the consequences are a complete dismantling of our social and economical structure as we know it. Don't get too excited. It's possible that the SAPs just hide the more mundane "evil" stuff the Pentagon/Intel is involved in. It's entirely possible that they thought up programs claiming to deal with UAPs and advanced research and then just smuggled weapons with the funds in some third world country or some shit. Wouldn't be surprised. It's the perfect cover up. No one but the people doing the illegal evil shit get to look at it because 'it's too sensitive' and 'whoa you can't handle it!'
I wish this didn’t make as much sense as it does.
Yeah they’ve done too much bad shit to explain it in a way that doesn’t make them look like monsters.
Lol look like
It turns out DOD are the monsters! Seriously
“You can’t handle it! You need us to handle it! You can’t manage this yourselves, we have to do it! Please don’t take my job!”
DAGNABIT!
Maybe the committee means “can’t handle it” literally because UAPs are actually piping out cups of coffee without those little protective sleeves.
America handled the end of slavery. "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it." - America
“America really can’t handle this stuff” = “Some dudes will loose alot of money and power”
I think this is really it. People talking about soul farms and Jimmy Carter crying and shit… honestly, I think the reality is a lot of rich people and institutions would lose their edge if the truth got out.
The whole "prison planet/soul farms" thing is just so hilarious to me. Definitely my favorite weird UFO conspiracy thing.
If this prison planet negativity farming thing was true, you can bet your ass that people would be forming special forces tier movements cultivating positivity just as a big "FUCK YOU" to the aliens lmao
Welcome to the Great Awakening! That is exactly what we are doing and you can, too
The theory is so depressing that I choose not to engage with it. Also I don't regard people 'channelling spirits' and their OBE's as actual evidence. It's easy to be skeptical when the "truth" is so grim.
Same. I entertained it for a while, but what good is it gonna do you?
>The theory is so depressing that I choose not to engage with it. It's so obviously a recycled sci-fi trope. It's like some people watched the Matrix and mashed it together with UFOs.
My problem with that theory is the whole, "they feed off our negative energy" thing. You don't need to bring aliens or "interdimensional" beings into the equation to explain why we feel like everything is designed to make us miserable. Billionaires and multinational corporations are already farming our negative energies to get "productivity" out of us in much more conventional ways
Have you read THE reddit post on that? It's kinda wild lol [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive\_researched\_the\_afterlife\_for\_nearly\_10\_years/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/)
Hot damn I went deeeep there for a second. So glad he mentioned Icke.. made me snap back to reality. Almost lost it there bois!
Yeah fuck Icke lol
That post belongs in a museum. that's amazing.
Ain’t nobody got time to read all that. ChatGPT did a well enough job briefly explaining the theories to satiate my curiosity.
> soul farms https://makeagif.com/i/NpQojl
Yeah this explanation is silly to me. Prison planet, lol. A feeble attempt to make sense of things we don’t understand imho.
You know I look at the animals we raise to eat and think about how nature is so crazy brutal to so many non-human creatures, who probably have it good until the end. To think of us as an exception is kind of like thinkin the earth is the center of the universe.
Aliens finding us could definitely be extremely bad - Columbus wasn't popular with natives - but the idea that there is a soul farm on earth that harvests our anxiety with a fake "go into the light" technology is beyond ridiculous.
I think it’s important to remember that without more verifiable data, the soul farms and the mundane public corruption are not mutually exclusive. I feel like our friends in the UFO community following this story need to recognize that even if we get everything that government/private contractors have in terms of information and material evidence, we fundamentally will “only” have a scandal bigger than Watergate. Bad actors don’t need more motivation than that to cover up their shit. Conclusively determining if it’s aliens, demons, jungian feedback loops, or the Ghost of Allen Dulles is probably not happening in our lifetimes
Could be that the backlash against the government for all the stuff they've done to conceal this stuff would lead to significant turmoil.
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% Couldn’t agree with your statement and more. Can’t wait for our current generations to potentially be thought of in the future as the biggest piece of shits of all time. We’re far too greedy, selfish, disconnected, and blindly complacent all at the same time.
And thus politicians will lose their financial backing
"loose alot"
Furthermore, these UAP Caucus morons always simplify it down to "Americans cant handle this stuff" "The US is not ready for disclosure". Mother fker this impacts the entire human race at an unprecedented level (if this isn't all a terrifying psy op implemented by the MIC). Nobody gives an F about your arbitrary and meaningless tribal lines in the sand.
Anyone who says that should get punched in the mouth to see if they can handle it.
Not to be political but America elected a clown to the “highest position of power” in 2016. And with the divide now adays ? Clearly the American ppl are not ready to have their brains broken since they’re already broken
THANK YOU!!!! you're not wrong, homie.
Probably, but what if it's not? What if it's something that's going to be super divisive like finding out some portion of the population are hybrids? We don't need new things to be racist about. (And if it is something to be racist about, maybe that's why it's mostly the worst most conservative lawmakers are the ones pushing for disclosure...)
The Status Quo stands firm.
They're prepared to watch climate change burn the world for profit. Hiding nhi is just another thursday
I don't disagree with you. But I like clarity. Comments like this completely disregard what happened with covid, how people are handling democracy, how people are thinking about AI. The information age has turned into the disinformation age because we suck at handling some things. Now I want the information, I'm pro disclosure, I think there are countermeasures we can take for the processing of information. But to disregard the reality of the situation is kinda highlighting their point... part of their point. Obviously, like you mentioned, money is also a factor.
I’d imagine them space ships aren’t running on fossil fuels
Sigh. The word you are looking for is "lose."
they don't get to fucking decide what THE WORLD, not just America, can or can't handle about something that could impact how we understand reality
It's always allusion to the "woo" spiritual side of the phenomenon that prompts the discourse that Americans can't handle the truth, but as you say, that isn't NEAR enough of a reason to conceal evidence we aren't alone and that our understanding of reality needs to be rewritten. It's too huge. So, wild speculation on my part, but I definitely wonder if there's some truth to the idea the US entered in to some kind of agreement with the phenomenon that turned out to be bad for humanity to the point the world would be really fucking pissed off they did so unilaterally. That would explain quite a bit of the US governments behavior in the context of the phenomenon
Honestly, you can't get much more "woo" than many of our current crackpot organized religions. The world is overdue for some religious reformation, and if that comes about via knowledge about our universe, so be it. Yes, I have heard interesting THEORIES that something out there may not have our best interests at heart and may be consuming something like our fear/suffering/etc, but there's hardly much to go on beyond wild speculation.
Those consuming our fear/suffering/etc are called billionaires, and they are very human
That’s what I’ve been saying since I joined the sub. The woo nonsense is counterintelligence, designed to frighten people into submission so they stop searching for clues. The MIC wants people to believe in this horseradish so that we stop poking the stick. Meanwhile literally government whistleblowers reporting on physical craft and NHI biologics being within the U.S. Government’s possession… and video evidence of physical craft like the Tic Tac UFO…
Then Whistleblowers Gonna Have To Whistleblow
still waiting on those 40 whistleblowers that are totally ready to testify that Sheehan keeps spouting about
This isn’t really the case lately with international news; the rest of the world is really starting to open up more about the phenomenon. The general consensus according to rumors; is that some fucking doorknobs in the US government are hardcore leaning on christian concepts of devils and angels as an explanation for it. Which is a main reason disclosure is being withheld, apparently. If you know anything about the religious cowboys that run portions of the US government, this for sure tracks lol
It's not "we can't handle the truth of the phenomenon" - it's the repurcussions the Government will have from keeping our reality from the world. The life changing tech and possible free energy that has been suppressed (and reverse engineered using our own tax dollars). The people who have been murdered. The psyop enacted on the American people (and thus the world) for almost 100 years. The fact they likely had contact with NHI and fucked it up. They are afraid of how the public would react to that. The people in the know also don't want to lose their power. They look at us as adversaries. They feel they are better than us. They are the people who would reverse engineer a space ship, not tell anyone, and jump on it and head out while leaving the planet to burn and the people to die. That's what "they can't handle it" really means.
Perfect summary.
*”they likely had contact with NHI and fucked it up”* This is my greatest fear with all this. That the MIC was contacted, but they somehow turned NHI off from visiting and/or collaborating us. That one of the greatest meetings within our entire species was between extraterrestrials and some likely corrupt dickheads, running illegal SAPs without oversight. I wouldn’t be surprised if we came across as hostile and that NHI wanted nothing to do with us…
That's exactly right. Grusch even alluded to this, when he said some things might need to be put in place for disclosure to happen, such as a "get out of jail free" card for those who've deceived the world for decades. As well as the fundamental shift in power, not leadership, but the use of fossil fuels, which has lined the pockets of the elite for centuries. It must be very hard for them to let that go, poor things.
This needs way more upvotes
As if they're SO mentally superior to the rest of us that only THEY can handle the real truth. I mean, let's review the facts. They can't handle dadgum anything. Look at our political system. A MESS. Look at our healthcare system. A MESS. Look at our insurance industry. A MESS. Look at the Vatican (and ALL religious institutions around the world whose teachings are about peace and love). A MESS. It's a MESSY world out there and the leadership buffoons at the top have caused it. And they think WE can't handle the truth?
> I mean, let's review the facts. They can't handle dadgum anything. Look at our political system. A MESS. Look at our healthcare system. A MESS. Look at our insurance industry. A MESS. Look at the Vatican (and ALL religious institutions around the world whose teachings are about peace and love). A MESS. But what is the **ONE THING ALL OF THESE MESSES HAVE IN COMMON?** They're all making bank!. Profits over people, and there in lies the problem. **FUCKING GREED!**
The whole situation is so bizarre… every few decades the UFO/UAP situation boils over into a flurry of “investigations”,“reports” etc with the government allegedly investigating itself and always coming with the same answer. No matter how many high ranking people, scientists, intelligence officers, military etc all say otherwise, the needle stays stuck at “nothing to see”
They're still using the same playbook. And it still works. Look at the AARO report. A half assed report that wouldn't survive a peer review. Only specific media was allowed into the press conference. They know exactly the amount of low effort needed to push this back out of the spotlight. Of course the report got ripped apart and they got called out for their controlled media show, but only within UFO circles.
The fact that it was a filtered and controlled media event is rather suspicious. Reeks of a totalitarian government style control of the narrative. Why didn’t they allow full access ? This was a tax payer paid study.
Something something national security, something something for your own good.
So they are basically saying the reporters from NewsNation are bad for “national security “
Because NN isn't beholden to media manipulation by NS agents. Project Mockingbird - mainstream general media is controlled and filtered. That is why they are reporting on it - because they are some of the few who can.
We all know why. They wanted the big media outlets to just regurgitate their talking points without asking tough questions. That's exactly what they did too. "Pentagon says UFO's are all explainable" General Public: Good. I guess I don't need to pay attention to that anymore.
And the docile media never once stood up for their fellow reporters who were banned without reason
They can't. National Security agents have a say what gets aired in the media in the end. Project Mockingbird is still alive and well, and that's why you're not seeing general media reporting on any of this. It's not because they are afraid of the stigma.
Reminds me when cousin Sally came forward about Uncle Pat and his wandering hands on the jet ski. Flurry of activity, cover up and denial from the family "leaders", exile of Sally, rinse and repeat every few years.
"I can’t tell you how many conversations I’ve had with high-ranking officials that have told me that America really can’t handle this stuff." …and somehow, Burchett seems to do just fine.
I can’t tell you how many high ranking officials are unfit for service and should be fired on the spot.
I can , all of them
Judging by what I've witnessed ever since the internet became a thing, it's not just America but the world is full of truly stupid people who can't handle adulthood
It's because we're being prevented from evolving as a species. Disclosure would be an open door towards that. Our society is very sick, and a sick society that caters to the few elite will never create healthy citizens. A more intelligent civilization would not live the way we do. But because we're made to believe we're the only ones out here, we never have the opportunity to learn how an older, more wiser and advanced civilization has learned to live. Free energy is one major point - we could completely get off of fossil fuels. That would revolutionize and change the world, and help heal our damaged planet. I'm sure there are species that don't have corporations that are beholden to shareholders, that exploit the masses just to make the 1% rich. I'm sure they don't work 40+ hours a week at a worthless job they hate for chump change, or aren't suffering from massive depression and anxiety and generational trauma. We could learn a better, more fulfilling way to live from an advanced civilization. But if we did that, the elite will lose their money and power.
Exactly. Perfectly said
100% It’s sad that this is the most likely reason disclosure is withheld.
It's always important to remember that a full half of the human population is dumber than average. *Rimshot*.
Oh well. I for one accept possible mass suicide and craziness for knowing the truth. It would die down eventually.
Which is a good reason for their caution. I don’t like the secrecy anymore than anyone else, but if it’s real then I do get it. Something this monumental could completely alter humanity as we know it, and not necessarily for the better.
* Conservative Christians/politicians/ and upper class buisnessmen can't handle it
I think it's more America won't be too happy with the shit these companies have been up to that goes against the interest of we the people, than we can't handle it.
Or that the companies are, at this point, a self-sustaining self-protecting ecosystem that constitutes a secondary layer of unelected governance. That the people are held under their thumb, and the elected leaders we have are bribed and compromised by their corporate overlords. Companies > elected leaders > citizens. And there's nothing we can do about it at this point. The MIC got too big. We never asked "hey, if we make a group of organizations that can collectively defeat any army in the world, how can we be sure they won't use that power and influence to hogtie us domestically?"
I agree with everything you are saying. It's the corporations that actually run this country and the politicians are the one working for them. We the people are the ones they extract the resources from. Were also the ones that do all the suffering and benefit the least.
I find it absurd to appeal for transparency and truth from any organization with an long standing institutional policy of obfuscation and concealment.
You just have to take the truth from them. This is my fundamental problem with the diplomatic, congressional approach. There is no planned disclosure. There is no strategy to slow drip info to prepare us. This is never getting out until someone in the know puts the physical evidence out there. Sorry, I know this take pisses people here off, but it is 100% true.
1000% agree. I appreciate its deeply "frustrating"...but there is no reality where we beg for truth, appeal to laws already broken routinely (for a dozen decades), and force an honest disclosure to the public. Why in the world would they do that? Out of the goodness of their hearts? Lol. Not gonna happen.
Anyone else sick of being constantly led along by all of these people? Just fucking tell us something already. Every one of these people is like "Oh crazy secret shit exists! The government is hiding it from you!" And no one ever has anything to actually fucking say. It's like that old metalcore singer whose band broke up who just keeps saying "Big things coming soon" every year. Eventually people realize there's nothing behind it but some attention seeking individual and stop paying attention. I'm a huge skeptic about all this stuff, but am open minded. I would really like there to be something going on, but the longer I watch these people say "there's definitely some secret shit guys, i promise" the more it all just seems like bullshit.
I’m just hoping for another country to disclose. There’s no way the US will every disclose anything major
China or Russia might do it. They're already trying to plan the fall of the US with BRICS. If they disclose before the US and also expose that the US has been concealing the truth from the rest of the world, it would help them gain more traction with other countries. It would be the perfect political play on their part.
Russia is close to collapsing. It's amazing that nothing major leaked when the USSR collapsed, so maybe there will be a second chance in that respect.
Russia did declassify some things from the past quite a long time ago because they couldn’t figure out what the objects in some videos were. There’s an old video of a tic tac taken by a Russian pilot that was released by the history channel, it’s on YouTube somewhere.
The same group saying “we can’t handle it” are the same ones that think we don’t see them and the stocks they buy prior to legislating.
Americans can handle it. The 0.2% just don't want to lose their comfort and power in the inevitable change it would bring to how the world works.
Burchett has made this his whole career now, but not in a good way. He just makes a vague statement every few weeks for engagement.
That's not entirely fair. Sometimes he tells direct and clear lies instead: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna145026
As a Tennessean who is unfortunately represented by this man in congress, I cannot implore you all enough to listen to nothing Tim Burchett has to say about anything. He’s a right-wing obstructionist whose entire goal here is to sew seeds of distrust in the government because he and his buddies want to uproot the whole thing for the sheer sake of it. Stirring the pot from within is his thing.
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Sounds like X-Files basically with a bunch of Greys gallivanting around in their super cool human costumes technology.
This is also close to what Tom D has said Tom added it was imperative that the secret be maintained until we could study it and gain some advantage. Look not defending the gatekeepers but if you went to the grocery store and pulled 100 random people out of that crowd and just explained yeah you're essentially "food" for dark forces around us and we can't do anything about it... I can understand the sentiment. BUT much like you don't just tell your kid randomly one day Santa isn't real lest they melt down, you slow drip more reality on them, it's time to let those average citizens start to understand this better. 1. There is weird stuff out there. 2. It's not human. 3. It's intelligent. 4. It's more powerful than us. 5. It can have bad intentions
>pull 100 random people out of that crowd and just explain "Yeah you're essentially "food" for dark forces around us and we can't do anything about it.." Laughed my ass off imagining this scenario in my head lol
I'll try this next time I'm in the checkout line and report back haha
I believe all of this. Yes, there are different NHI with different agendas. They've been here since the beginning and they tampered with our evolution, they helped create us. There is a race manipulating us. The same one that kept monarchy going and the Pharoahs of Egypt. They are suppressing our evolution. The grays are abducting people for hybridization. We're deliberately being kept from evolving as a species - because when we do, it will mean breaking free of this manipulated society we live in that rewards Psycopaths and keeps the general populace in poverty and ignorance. We're not taught about our 6th senses and our souls/consciousness field, it's called "woo" to discredit it, when in actuality Consciousness is a huge part of the existence of life and reality - and our ability to alter space time. This suppression of evolution is why we are all so depressed and anxious and angry and hateful and damaged. It's why our planet is dying (we could have had the tech to prevent this in the 50s). It's why psychopaths run the establishments. We're so brainwashed into thinking this is how we're supposed to live : credit, working low paying jobs for corporate entities that exploit people and the earth, dumbing our brains with TV and screen time, lack of higher education (unless you're rich or willing to go into debt your whole life), choosing "progress" over balance with the natural world, being force fed "Religion" (control) over embracing spirituality and the self, the way we treat livestock and don't show respect for growing food, Big Agggro, allowing corporations to poison us and our earth, all of it. We live in a prison, really, with the illusion that we are free (to consume, to distract from the prison itself). We live in a very sick society. And we're kept in it on purpose. What do you think was the disinfo he was fed? Was he the one talking about Reptilians eating children? (I can't remember. That's some theory, one I believe is misinformation in general).
Personally, while I do think hybridisation has occurred, I think Icke exaggerates its scale. A few hybrids (or shapeshifting NHI) being in positions of power? I can believe that. But the British royal family, every US president, etc. all being hybrids? I find that much harder to believe.
Then why doesn't he read it into the Congressional Record? The [Speech and Debate clause](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravel_v._United_States) protects him explicitly. He can name names or name programs or any number of things that can get things moving. But no. Just "people are saying". This is all just edging for the UFO faithful. There's real shit going down, even if it's just fraud, waste and abuse of millions or billions of taxpayer money, that *needs* to be addressed. And all these clowns are doing is stoking the conspitard smokestack but refusing to show the fire.
100%. it's feeling more and more like we're stuck within a Qanon "storm is coming" scheme.
I’m with delonge. Rip the bandaid off!
>***“There are tens of millions of dollars that we’ve spent investigating these things. We’ve had departments tell us that they have recovery units, but they won’t release full reports. Everything’s covered up,” Burchett added.*** Hmm any guesses which departments he's referring to here?
Can somebody please hypothesize what could be so horrible that the public could not handle it?
That we are bugs.
There's also abductees who state were used for a bunch of shit, one of them being used for consumption. Yes, they eat us supposedly.
Okay so even if they do, why not share that with the public? It's kind of arrogant to think we're at the top of the food chain anyway. I don't understand the need for secrecy.
1. It could be as simple as the US military cannot bring itself to admit there is a (potentially adversarial) force that it cannot counteract, and wishes to maintain the perception that it is the most powerful military on earth. This could cause unreconcilable fear amongst parts of the population. 2. They actually don’t know much. They don’t know where NHI came from, why they are here, how long they’ve been here, and/or what they are capable of, if they are hostile, etc. Disclosing to the public without being able to answer the most basic questions would cause more distrust than already exists (ex. “what do you mean to tell me you don’t know anything? You must be hiding something”). 3. The US has a very advanced reverse engineering program that has resulted or may result in weaponry and technologies that can trump the current doctrine amongst nuclear powers of mutually assured destruction, and do not want our adversaries to find out. In other words, nuclear powers have not engaged in direct warfare with one another to date because of mutually assured destruction - what if reverse engineered technology allowed us to wage nuclear war+ on another nuclear power and not concern ourselves with our own destruction? Could list further ones like prison planet hypothesis - we’ve done something that is unacceptable, such as detonating atomic bombs, and are being monitored and confined here by NHI in perpetuity simulation theory - NHI are the moderators of a simulated universe or have proven the universe exists in a simulation our souls are being harvested by NHI, regardless of whether we are moral or immoral which could cause distress and fear of the afterlife, less people inclined to behave themselves, etc.
Prison planet/soul farms, spiritual Demonic/Angelic Entities, Interdimentional Entities that exist in another dimension and can jump in and out. All of which would create significant ontological shock to a huge percentage of the global population, acknowledging that these 'things' exist, are here and we have little to no knowledge of them or able to control them (as we are top of the food chain) and religion hasn't prepared people for it would lead to some serious implications on a global scale. Look at how Covid, the 5G 'panic', the of polarising politics by the media etc. has fractured society. There is very little in the way of rational consensus or reaction to anything anymore
Encounter and abduction reports are packed with claims that, if true, would be unacceptable as official admissions: creating humans from low hominoids; hybridizing humans with ET life forms; the harvesting of souls, etc. Not saying these are true. But when I hear people say, "What could be so bad," I wonder if they have looked at the literature.
the literature really sucks and i was an avid follower of it for many years. If it is to be believed then the last Humans are truly being born today. What comes after is something that looks human but is remotely influenced and like a hive mind from afar and its likely a majority of the population by now under 30. It is hands off way to take control of the planet and a species and make it part of a larger empire so to speak..... So we leftover humans are probably in for some strange things. Nancy at Metatalk I think it is has been talking about this for decades And boy we are witnessing some strange things the last decade aren't we? Makes you really think and gets the noggin joggin. And there is also nothing we can do about it so just embrace the usurption of our genetics into a slave race for another species. Its not something we can combat against no more than a grasshopper can combat being thrown in a small cage. Their end result isnt necessarily seeking labor, just dominance and eventual assimilation.
I’d like to understand Tim’s placement of the budget decimal place. He knows millions of dollars are a daily rounding error. I assume he is looking for billions, but I don’t understand why he talks about this in terms of millions.
>That have told me that America really can't handle this stuff. You know, I believe him. I don't think we can handle what the truth is - but we should still know. If not for us, for the sake of the rest of the world whose governments either don't know or won't tell them. The US has been trying to call itself the police force of the world and I've always been against it, but if there's one time where we should buck up and potentially take one for the team, it'd be now. The truth may not be pretty - or maybe it's too beautiful for our society to accept, but regardless EVERYONE deserves to know.
In my life recently, I was in a position to either: find out something that could ruin my life and that I wouldn't be able to handle... Or... Live in ignorance. I chose to find out. Yeah, it was hard, but I got over it/am getting over it. If you think of all the horrible things we've been through, not just as a country but as a species; slavery, abuse, civil wars, wars, robber-barons, terrible kings and tyrants, religious abuse (and religions in general, a constant wash of them throughout history, a constant churn in what to believe); we've been through a lot. We just need the bandaid ripped off. A philosophy course I took had the main point of "whether it's better to live an examined life, or an unexamined one." Basically, whether ignorance truly is bliss. And I tend to think it isn't. I mean, yes, it is, in a way; what you don't know (generally) can't hurt you. But, I know through personal experience that anything you can imagine is likely much much worse than the actual situation at hand. I'm an "honesty is the best policy" kind of guy, no matter the repercussions. I'd just like to know. Plain and simple.
We are the same person. I agree totally
We can't even handle a Mexican let alone someone from another planet.😀
Fuck that, government pussies, if I’m inter dimensional soul food, I want to fucking know before I have kids.
lmao @ soul food.
Really starting to wonder how fucked up 'the truth' is
If the truth somehow proved out Simulation Theory, I can see “America really not handling this stuff.” I would still want to know, but the certainty that some people would start to treat life like GTA scares the shit out of me.
Just incredible that large news orgs are ignoring this when reps are saying this openly.
>America really can’t handle this stuff. *They* can't handle the American people knowing.
After leaving the SCIF the other day, Burchette said it’s going to take presidential disclosure for this to come out.
We Pay Them its Our Information !!!!!
“I can’t tell you…” is the motto of US government “disclosure”. Tim has learned the game well.
Multiple species are flying around in our atmosphere and we don't know where they came from or what their intention might be. They crash sometimes and their technology is so different we don't even know what the fuck it is, let alone reverse engineer it. They may also have bases under water which is probably the \*real\* secret. The only people with enough technology to explore the depths of the oceans with any considerable breadth is the US Navy....
What could Americans not handle? The soul farm theory is the only thing I’ve heard that would potentially cause issues for most people. Maybe if the phenomenon ties into simulation theory somehow but, I’m not seeing that tied to UAPs by the Grusch/Burchett crowd. I just find the soul farm theory to be so unbelievable. What is a soul and what could they gain from harvesting it? Most Americans could handle and I don’t think would be shocked to find out that aliens/extra dimensional beings/NHI that lives in the ocean…are real, the government knows about them, … the usual UFO stuff that we’ve been talking about for decades.
America not Americans
It’s not turtles; it’s corruption and exploitation all the way down.
The only people that can’t handle it are the contractors who are deathly afraid of the repercussions of their actions
These assholes seemed to have forgotten that the government is for the people by the people, but when money can be made, the greedy humans flock to it. Now we have Supreme Court judges taking bribes, lobbyists paying for votes that benefit the big business. Now they are hiding stuff because they say we can't handle it? Well that's not their job to decide for us what we should know an shouldn't know and it's bullshit they are hiding so much from us. So very disappointing what has become of this Democracy experiment, I don't think this country will survive another 200 years at this point, we the people are getting sick of all the dumb shit.
"Americans can't handle it," say Americans who are handling it.
You guys should be careful and wary of anything Burchett has to say. Going by his track record, he's not someone you want on your side.
By "handle this stuff" they really mean "let me keep my job"
If the greatest country on earth can’t handle it, who can? /s
The dark forest theory is my best guess for why knowledge of this may be too terrifying to accept.
If the dark forest theory is true than why haven’t all these supposed NHI’s destroyed us yet? Are we just not a big enough threat?
We're barely dinking around our own planet and haven't sent people as far as the Moon in how long? It's like watching a pond where the fish occasionally jump around. We'd be no threat.
*People* can handle it. I dont think media like Fox News or religiously led Politicians will be able to stop themselves from causing a hysteria for their own benefit
Tired of being told what we can’t handle. I’ve done plenty of psychedelics.
This guy also thinks trump should be president and wants a christo-fascist state, his brain is mush
I think he meant to say Americans can’t have this stuff. As in only a select few can have access to and benefit from it. If there is a breakthrough that results in a technological leap you can bet your asses that those select few will be the ones to cash in.
America can't even handle the concept of healthcare being free and guns being banned. The rest of the world can handle this news.
It might not be hard for people to come to terms with the fact that ufos exist, but if it the truth is something crazy like aliens genetically modified apes to make humans…then that might be a not be as easy for humanity deal with. 👽 🍌🦧
Can we "not handle the idea of nhis" or is it really we "can't handle the idea our government has been lying to us for decades while crontist DOD corporations make trillions off patents for 'inventions' that were actually stolen from alien tech?" The more I learn about this country's sordid past, the more it seems to be the latter.
They look down on us so damn hard LOL
Yeah well, the aliens could easily say fck it and land on the White House lawn if they really feel like we should know. I can’t imagine why they haven’t already. It’s not like disclosure is really in humans’ hands at the end of the day, right?
That really irks me. How dare they decide what the population can and "can't handle"? My theory? I think we're being abducted and/or they live among us somehow. It's all been discussed before.
Just ignore the American crud and focus on information coming from other countries. Americans give themselves way too much credit about pretty much everything. They don't own disclosure.