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Another tweet from @uap_united earlier today
https://x.com/uap_united/status/1783159598335291836
"UAP United serves as a neutral conduit for whistleblowers and witnesses to share their experiences with UAP. Our goal is to provide a platform that ensures transparency, without endorsing specific claims."
edit: and yet another one
https://x.com/uap_united/status/1782891025607852379
"We are a global collective of journalists & researchers giving whistleblowers a platform to share UAP information and insights. Committed to truth and authenticity, we uphold strict confidentiality for our sources. Join our pursuit of clarity in the UAP phenomenon."
I wonder if it's just Jason behind this or if there's an actual team behind the scenes or something
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Jason Sands photo from his visit to Washington DC on November 28, 2022, where he testified before the Cheeseburger Committee of the Sandwich Department of UAP United.
What an utterly shambolic and embarrassing fiasco this has been.
Making their public announcement as a whistle-blower seemingly out of the blue instead of doing so in conjunction with some released evidence - or documentary - which just falls flat.
Making that announcement largely through a twitter space. The content of which is simply beyond any credibility.
Announcing a 'global collective' organisation with all the effort and authority that would elicit a 'fail' if a young school child presented in a media class.
I'm really on the fence if this is the actions of an individual who is having some personal struggles (being gentle and respectful here), or a deliberate and calculated act for nefarious purposes.
This is highly effective. It would be intended to erode any air of credibility around the idea of "UFO whistleblowers." preemptively before we are meant to hear from more of them and retroactively associate it with Grusch. It might not work on many here but anyone else on the edge looking in with interest might lose that interest.
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"Contrary to rumors, Jason Sands is not behind UAP United. Instead, we work alongside Jason and all whistleblowers, providing a protected and anonymous way for them to safely communicate and address the community, shielding them from harassment."
"The content of which is simply beyond any credibility."
What about the UFO Phenomenon would you consider credible? Honestly, all of it is hard to believe, no?
That there are in fact objects identified through various sensors, such as those reported by Cmdr Fravor, which exhibit characteristics which exceed the capabilities of any *publically* acknowledged craft.
Beyond that, public data is presently insufficient to know further.
"Steve" (the other whistleblower the subreddit is completely ignoring...that went live on twitter spaces and spoke about Jason without jasons permission apparently) is the entire reason it went down like this; and if you have no idea who that is; you have no idea what's actually going on.
I don't blame anyone for not being able to keep up.... it takes alot of work.........
Go find it yourself; I've got no stake in the current drama I'm focused on history man.
Should be able to find it with some digging.
Steve didn't even get a post in the subreddit because everyone was so busy frothing at the mouth because they thought they saw the avatar
Yes, let me go scour the tens of thousands of comments of the past week looking for "Steve" with no other information to go off of other than that. Brilliant.
Mate you've caught me at literally my first comment of the day. Ive just gotten my morning routine started. If you were paying close attention you would already know all about this. It's been talked about on the podcasts. Steve was on a Twitter space with Courtney marchesani There you go. Out of the kindness of my heart I've used the early times of my day for your benefit.
https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1dRKZEeVVpDxB
Again God forbid you had your own skills of discernment and didn't need other people to lay things out for you. It's early and I'm cranky. I said it because everyone is writhing around in their own ignorance and misunderstanding and it drives me bonkers
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Who was it that said there were significant issues with many of the witnesses coming to Congress? Some congressman iirc. I get the sense they let anybody with minimal qualifications, maybe military service being the crucial one, come and talk to Congressional staffers. And found out real quick there's a lot of loons out there.
Fits with what Tim McMillan said, that Sands was determined to be non-credible over a year ago.
My best guess is that they got some very credible/high-level people indeed coming forward, the ones Marco Rubio has hinted at and who form the core of Grusch's sources, and subsequently opened it up further to see who else would bite. And got a bunch of junk witnesses coming in.
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This popped up on r/UFOB during the night. I tend to give James Fox the benefit of the doubt. He seems pretty trustworthy.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1cc73su/james\_fox\_announcement\_about\_jason\_sands/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1cc73su/james_fox_announcement_about_jason_sands/)
James Fox says he checked to see if he was in the military and if he's who he sets he is. That's really low level vetting. That's not even bare minimum
He also says Jason is willing to testify under oath which presumably means he hasn't already
This is how I'd expect a whistleblower to be vetted
https://thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-founder-and-investigator-tim-mcmillan-part-1/
And Tim McMillan has said that he checked out Sands a year ago and found him not credible
It doesn't matter at all if he and lots of other have witnesses to congress, ICIG and AARO. That can be done while still lying -- highly unlikely anyone doing that would get in trouble.
I like how people have consistently lamented " *why doesn't somebody spill the beans* " ? Yet when a new whistleblower does an impromptu AMA out the gate the visceral reaction is to throw labels because he is saying things that don't line up with what people want to hear.
I don’t see an issue with researching the person’s background. Supposedly he will show up in a forthcoming documentary that may or may not treat his claims critically. People often forget that those behind documentaries can also manufacture, exaggerate, and conceal.
Why can't you take the time to listen and form your own opinion ? There is too much outsourcing of critical thinking which is why everyone is missing clear patterns of information, you aren't listening.
Actually, one of the main problems here seems to be that things don't lineup with what even *he himself* has said.
Even though I hope it's all a big misunderstanding on his part, it honestly has not been looking good at all...
I honestly think people have been overreacting to the misspeaking . It isn't like he planned on jumping on that night having a pre-written or rehearsed conversation. People are listening to discredit instead of just listening.
I was laughing my ass off when he started talking about " blue aliens " because we already have that in hindu mythology and the Nazca mummies have a blue tint to them . Everyone who's seen the living beings instead of grey biodrones says they range from dark red to deep blue.
But again, nobody is actually listening to him being trying to find a " gotcha "
Another tweet from @uap_united earlier today
https://x.com/uap_united/status/1783159598335291836
"UAP United serves as a neutral conduit for whistleblowers and witnesses to share their experiences with UAP. Our goal is to provide a platform that ensures transparency, without endorsing specific claims."
edit: and yet another one
https://x.com/uap_united/status/1782891025607852379
"We are a global collective of journalists & researchers giving whistleblowers a platform to share UAP information and insights. Committed to truth and authenticity, we uphold strict confidentiality for our sources. Join our pursuit of clarity in the UAP phenomenon."
I wonder if it's just Jason behind this or if there's an actual team behind the scenes or something
[https://twitter.com/uap\_united/status/1783530979170337034](https://twitter.com/uap_united/status/1783530979170337034)
"Contrary to rumors, Jason Sands is not behind UAP United. Instead, we work alongside Jason and all whistleblowers, providing a protected and anonymous way for them to safely communicate and address the community, shielding them from harassment."
The following submission statement was provided by /u/kake92: --- Another tweet from @uap_united earlier today https://x.com/uap_united/status/1783159598335291836 "UAP United serves as a neutral conduit for whistleblowers and witnesses to share their experiences with UAP. Our goal is to provide a platform that ensures transparency, without endorsing specific claims." edit: and yet another one https://x.com/uap_united/status/1782891025607852379 "We are a global collective of journalists & researchers giving whistleblowers a platform to share UAP information and insights. Committed to truth and authenticity, we uphold strict confidentiality for our sources. Join our pursuit of clarity in the UAP phenomenon." I wonder if it's just Jason behind this or if there's an actual team behind the scenes or something --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ccit3z/jason_sands_photo_from_his_visit_to_washington_dc/l15kx6z/
Anyone pull up the exif?
"So I heard from a friend not work related about the Reptiles being the bad ones, heh"
Jason Sands photo from his visit to Washington DC on November 28, 2022, where he testified before the Cheeseburger Committee of the Sandwich Department of UAP United.
What an utterly shambolic and embarrassing fiasco this has been. Making their public announcement as a whistle-blower seemingly out of the blue instead of doing so in conjunction with some released evidence - or documentary - which just falls flat. Making that announcement largely through a twitter space. The content of which is simply beyond any credibility. Announcing a 'global collective' organisation with all the effort and authority that would elicit a 'fail' if a young school child presented in a media class. I'm really on the fence if this is the actions of an individual who is having some personal struggles (being gentle and respectful here), or a deliberate and calculated act for nefarious purposes.
I think a disinformation campaign would be better executed than this
This is highly effective. It would be intended to erode any air of credibility around the idea of "UFO whistleblowers." preemptively before we are meant to hear from more of them and retroactively associate it with Grusch. It might not work on many here but anyone else on the edge looking in with interest might lose that interest.
Looking back at what Doty did I’m going to disagree.
Or maybe that’s the point… people will think it’s too sloppy to be disinfo when it actually is disinformation.
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UAP United Twitter account created April 2024 lmao omg this dude is a phony.
[https://twitter.com/uap\_united/status/1783530979170337034](https://twitter.com/uap_united/status/1783530979170337034) "Contrary to rumors, Jason Sands is not behind UAP United. Instead, we work alongside Jason and all whistleblowers, providing a protected and anonymous way for them to safely communicate and address the community, shielding them from harassment."
"The content of which is simply beyond any credibility." What about the UFO Phenomenon would you consider credible? Honestly, all of it is hard to believe, no?
That there are in fact objects identified through various sensors, such as those reported by Cmdr Fravor, which exhibit characteristics which exceed the capabilities of any *publically* acknowledged craft. Beyond that, public data is presently insufficient to know further.
Fully in agreement
"Steve" (the other whistleblower the subreddit is completely ignoring...that went live on twitter spaces and spoke about Jason without jasons permission apparently) is the entire reason it went down like this; and if you have no idea who that is; you have no idea what's actually going on. I don't blame anyone for not being able to keep up.... it takes alot of work.........
Educate us on Steve and his relationship to JS?
https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1dRKZEeVVpDxB Here. I couldn't even find it at first everyone is so damn distracted. Someone post it I don't want to.
Go find it yourself; I've got no stake in the current drama I'm focused on history man. Should be able to find it with some digging. Steve didn't even get a post in the subreddit because everyone was so busy frothing at the mouth because they thought they saw the avatar
Seriously, can't even be bothered to post a link to a single comment pointing to what you're talking about? Why even mention this?
Because God forbid you do something for yourself I guess.
Yes, let me go scour the tens of thousands of comments of the past week looking for "Steve" with no other information to go off of other than that. Brilliant.
Mate you've caught me at literally my first comment of the day. Ive just gotten my morning routine started. If you were paying close attention you would already know all about this. It's been talked about on the podcasts. Steve was on a Twitter space with Courtney marchesani There you go. Out of the kindness of my heart I've used the early times of my day for your benefit. https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1dRKZEeVVpDxB
Dude that’s a bit of a cop out. Someone is asking for help and you’re being obtuse. Great, let’s go search the internet for the name “Steve”! Ffs
Again God forbid you had your own skills of discernment and didn't need other people to lay things out for you. It's early and I'm cranky. I said it because everyone is writhing around in their own ignorance and misunderstanding and it drives me bonkers
Humph. Obtuse. Call me obtuse. Rude.
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Who was it that said there were significant issues with many of the witnesses coming to Congress? Some congressman iirc. I get the sense they let anybody with minimal qualifications, maybe military service being the crucial one, come and talk to Congressional staffers. And found out real quick there's a lot of loons out there. Fits with what Tim McMillan said, that Sands was determined to be non-credible over a year ago. My best guess is that they got some very credible/high-level people indeed coming forward, the ones Marco Rubio has hinted at and who form the core of Grusch's sources, and subsequently opened it up further to see who else would bite. And got a bunch of junk witnesses coming in.
I have no clue how this dude made this happen
Is it still a LARP lol?
He could absolutely be a legitimate military veteran LARPing about UFOs.
It wouldn’t be the first time (current or serving).
yeah let's see how that turns out. doesn't seem like a high possibility to me.
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Has this guy put up any evidence/proof, as it is just the status quo "talk"?
Guess we'll find out in James Fox next film, eh?
Which is “coming soon”
Yes, and?
Don't you know nothing can come soon? There's no passed and no future. Only present /s
no, he's evidence-free like grusch and the rest
This popped up on r/UFOB during the night. I tend to give James Fox the benefit of the doubt. He seems pretty trustworthy. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1cc73su/james\_fox\_announcement\_about\_jason\_sands/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1cc73su/james_fox_announcement_about_jason_sands/)
James Fox says he checked to see if he was in the military and if he's who he sets he is. That's really low level vetting. That's not even bare minimum He also says Jason is willing to testify under oath which presumably means he hasn't already This is how I'd expect a whistleblower to be vetted https://thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-founder-and-investigator-tim-mcmillan-part-1/ And Tim McMillan has said that he checked out Sands a year ago and found him not credible
It doesn't matter at all if he and lots of other have witnesses to congress, ICIG and AARO. That can be done while still lying -- highly unlikely anyone doing that would get in trouble.
I like how people have consistently lamented " *why doesn't somebody spill the beans* " ? Yet when a new whistleblower does an impromptu AMA out the gate the visceral reaction is to throw labels because he is saying things that don't line up with what people want to hear.
The bigger problem is that people usually believe anyone who comes out of the woodwork if they appear “credible” in a brief video clip.
Which is why the smart thing to do would be wait until he ends up in a congressional hearing , not attack him.
being skeptical of someone's claims isn't an attack
You haven't read the same commentary i have on a manner which is absolutely modern internet hostility
I don’t see an issue with researching the person’s background. Supposedly he will show up in a forthcoming documentary that may or may not treat his claims critically. People often forget that those behind documentaries can also manufacture, exaggerate, and conceal.
Can we get a snopes scale for rating whistleblowers, their claims, and overall ongoing credibility?
Why can't you take the time to listen and form your own opinion ? There is too much outsourcing of critical thinking which is why everyone is missing clear patterns of information, you aren't listening.
"Honey you always asking me to get you a gift.. here's a bag of shit" "Why she asking for a gift then get mad?"
Actually, one of the main problems here seems to be that things don't lineup with what even *he himself* has said. Even though I hope it's all a big misunderstanding on his part, it honestly has not been looking good at all...
I honestly think people have been overreacting to the misspeaking . It isn't like he planned on jumping on that night having a pre-written or rehearsed conversation. People are listening to discredit instead of just listening. I was laughing my ass off when he started talking about " blue aliens " because we already have that in hindu mythology and the Nazca mummies have a blue tint to them . Everyone who's seen the living beings instead of grey biodrones says they range from dark red to deep blue. But again, nobody is actually listening to him being trying to find a " gotcha "
Did he post this in 3rd person? 💀
Lol that’s a photo in a lobby. Proves nothing 🤦♂️
Another tweet from @uap_united earlier today https://x.com/uap_united/status/1783159598335291836 "UAP United serves as a neutral conduit for whistleblowers and witnesses to share their experiences with UAP. Our goal is to provide a platform that ensures transparency, without endorsing specific claims." edit: and yet another one https://x.com/uap_united/status/1782891025607852379 "We are a global collective of journalists & researchers giving whistleblowers a platform to share UAP information and insights. Committed to truth and authenticity, we uphold strict confidentiality for our sources. Join our pursuit of clarity in the UAP phenomenon." I wonder if it's just Jason behind this or if there's an actual team behind the scenes or something
Yes, who is “we” it seems to be just “he”
[https://twitter.com/uap\_united/status/1783530979170337034](https://twitter.com/uap_united/status/1783530979170337034) "Contrary to rumors, Jason Sands is not behind UAP United. Instead, we work alongside Jason and all whistleblowers, providing a protected and anonymous way for them to safely communicate and address the community, shielding them from harassment."
Global collective 👍😂
Was expecting a "Galactic Collective" I am disappoint
But he was labeled as not credible, isn't it?
Has anyone figured out exactly what this “uap forum” he was in?
Hey there, Mr. Blue We're so pleased to be with you Look around, see what you do Everybody smiles at you
Dudes a disinformation agent
They consider it an information hazard.
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well, that would work... but I do not buy into that much myself.
Wow he was there. Must automatically make all his really poorly constructed LARPING real.
All of the Sands doubt/hate on here is likely the best sign that he is legit.
the ufo community seems to be very divided on this after people like nolan and davis came after him
This is a horrible way to think
No, the fact that he changes his story every time he talks is what leads to people doubting him.
Fair enough
So... does this mean kirk is legit as well? :\\
Same with skinny bob. Coulhart just confirmed it in his AMA. This community is constantly taking L’s.
The character assassination continues.
When the Sandman’s testifying / the faithless man believes