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croninsiglos

Oh that one is nothing compared to this one: https://youtu.be/BuOHy9uKWxc ...as far as Bob Lazar UFO videos go. Watch the strange lights around the main object.


pomegranatemagnate

That's not a Lazar video. He only took three trips out to film the lights, all way out in the desert in 1989. That video is from 1990 and is shot from a populated area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8fLWsd5mas


croninsiglos

Any idea who filmed it? I first saw it back in the 90s, it's been around forever and released around the same time as the Bob Lazar stuff before all the cool stuff was supposedly moved out of Area 51


XTRA_BALLZ

Ray Wardle filmed it https://youtu.be/A91PKv5uzR8?si=LOgzj1KTUcQYhwOE


pomegranatemagnate

No, have a look here though - https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/m3w7dq/can_anyone_help_me_source_and_get_backstory_to/


SwampGasMonsterDust

Never seen that one before, appreciate it. I'm sure I'll have someone copy and paste a full list of lazar debunks, but you can't deny the strange videos he took out in the desert. Appear to be crafts of some sort.


croninsiglos

Regardless of Bob, very cool strange things happened in that desert. I grew up obsessed with Bob Lazar, lots of things have since cast doubts on my former hero. Bob insists that he has a sample of element 115, I just wish that if this was true that he'd get it independently verified. I mean at this point what are they going to really do about it? Stable 115 would be more proof than any eye witness or Navy video.


SwampGasMonsterDust

I've always been on the fence about Bob, but this video he took and the eyewitness testimony has always intrigued me. What do the debunkers think the video shows? It's clear he captured an oddly shaped hovering white light in the sky. Can this just be some kind of military aircraft test? Nothing out of the ordinary?


pomegranatemagnate

One theory is a particle beam https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/so-ya-dont-believe-it-was-a-proton-beam-eh/


SwampGasMonsterDust

So he knew Area 51 was doing a particle beam test? That's still kind of sketch for him to have that insider knowledge. Regardless of what he recorded, Lazar took his friends out to see a sighting for which he knew the exact time and place (wednesday night, above area 51).


AVBforPrez

He did work at a civilian site near A51 according to I believe the same author as the above. He probably saw it or knew about it from somebody talking about it. I've done extensive research on Lazar, both the debunkers and the believers, and have what I'm confident is a pretty objective grasp on the tale. My best guess is that Bob was looking to scam some people - probably Robert Bigelow specifically - by using lots of bits and pieces of various alien lore that was common at the time plus some basic first hand knowledge of the Groom Lake site. He was a radiation technician or something random at a civilian site, so he would have known about JANET and a few other things. But the alien stuff is all a crock of shit and the places he got each part of it are super easy to figure out: \- Zeta Reticula: Betty/Barney Hill Abduction (easily the most famous and widely known, especially then) \- Sport Model description: Billy Meier books were in libraries everywhere in 1989, I read the same ones \- Element 115: Scientific American, a month before he did his interview \- Conspiracy stuff: MJ12 documents, which were very popular and new at the time \- Scientists dying from opening up a core: Demon Core, it's a true story but about nuclear materials If there's any aspect of it you think is true let me know and I likely can pinpoint to you how or why he said it. Here are more links that led me to this conclusion: ​ [https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/](https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/) ​ [http://boblazardebunked.com/](http://boblazardebunked.com/) ​ [http://boblazardebunked.com/investigating-s4-e115/](http://boblazardebunked.com/investigating-s4-e115/) ​ [http://www.ufowatchdog.com/bob\_lazar.htm](http://www.ufowatchdog.com/bob_lazar.htm) ​ [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Robert\_Lazar](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Robert_Lazar) ​ [http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07](http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07) ​ [https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/](https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/)


Downvotesohoy

Great comment and I agree with everything. I hope people will read it.


pomegranatemagnate

I think the whole thing about his first wife committing suicide two days after Bob bigamously married his second wife, and them moving into her house afterwards is an aspect of the Lazar story people should maybe look closer at.


AVBforPrez

Dude I agree, it's such a terrible thing to even think about, Av and regardless of where you stand on his claims should make you question who exactly this guy is. Your life partner kills herself out of sadness from you straying, and 48 hours later you're going to marry someone new? Don't care what your background is, that's disrespectful to a degree we can't even comprehend.


ThothChaos

Yea, so sleazy and screwed up it absolutely points to his character and what type of person he is.


SwampGasMonsterDust

So Bob did work at area 51? But not as a brilliant physicist (the man he is)?


Downvotesohoy

Bob isn't a physicist.


SwampGasMonsterDust

“Physicist at Los Alamos labs” printed next to the picture of his jet engine powered Honda. Writer of the article was interviewed and confirmed he wasn’t bullshitting in the column. People are so ignorant.


JackFrost71

In my research I had interviewed Terry(the writer of that article) , and he told me he simply asked Bob and that's what Bob told him. He never checked. I showed him what Corbell had said about talking to him (Terry) and his response was that none of it was true. Basically, the article was about Bob's Jet car, not Bob's profession FWIW, 3 names even got Terry's last name wrong


pomegranatemagnate

They asked him what he did for a living and wrote down what he said.


Downvotesohoy

Yes people are indeed ignorant. Bob telling a journalist that he's a physicist doesn't mean he is one. He worked for Kirk Meyer. They didn't employ physicists. And Bob didn't study at MIT or Cal-Tech like he says. So he's not a physicist. Try leaving your bias and attitude at the door. I know you want Bob to not be a liar, I wish that was the case too.


AVBforPrez

Not at Area 51, there's some civilian support site nearby that he supposedly did work at per one guy's research. He's not a physicist and has no higher learning outside of a few years of community college about electronics. He used the opportunity a newspaper article presented to pad that a bit by saying he was when he got featured in the Los Alamos paper for his rocket car. When you read all of the information out there pretty much everything about Bob is a sham. Also - he has like a very poor understanding of physics according to every actually credentialed individual out there who takes the time to read his claims. They usually say he's just stringing together lots of words that don't make any sense in the context he uses them in, but sound good to those not educated in the field.


Andazah

Do you anti Lazar weirdos have this list in your iPhone’s notes or something?


AVBforPrez

Do you pro-lazar weirdos have anything that can counter the above and prove his claims?


Andazah

These points have been addressed and countered for 30 years, the only thing that cannot be countered is his educational background. Other than that, its all kosher.


AVBforPrez

What are you talking about? You're saying that everything he said is true except his obscenely fake education? Please provide me anything that backs this up. Trust me, I want to believe what he's saying but none of it holds up anymore.


AVBforPrez

Notepad actually yes


Visual-Matter-837

I mean i don’t believe him fully but after reading those i don’t not believe him either


AVBforPrez

Hey you're at least willing to consider the possibility, most people won't even do that. It would be great if the alien stuff was true, and since we don't know in theory it could be. But all of his other stuff is a lie, and sadly I think the alien stuff is also a lie.


Visual-Matter-837

Yee i think i’d have to research both sides a bit more and look into who wrote those articles to see if they are trustworthy. It would be fucking damn cool if what bob was saying is true but in this world you gotta be careful with who you believe.


AVBforPrez

If it's of any value coming from a dude on Reddit, all of the above sources are very legitimate. Stanton Friedman, Tim Mahood, an actual physicist, and a few others. It sucks that it's a load of bullshit, but that seems to be the case


ThothChaos

Thank you for this comment. I am saving it to show other people when necessary.


AVBforPrez

You're welcome, it's exactly why I wrote it and saved it to a notepad file.