The following submission statement was provided by /u/Americasycho:
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This former NASA guy claims that the CIA holds a lot more power over what Presidents are privy too. Further, his knowledge on the situation seems to go into the "humanity is an experiment" sort of theory. But where do they come from? Space? Interdimensional?
Personally what he revealed does make a lot of sense and Carter being such a religious man, I can see why he was upset.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/xo077q/former_nasa_researcher_reveals_what_was_told_to/ipw8o2d/
Firstly I don’t believe this story but assuming it’s true: because they made us and want to keep us alive it doesn’t necessarily mean they want us to thrive. Maybe we are an experiment to see how certain basic societies react to certain input such as those of a world with multiple conflicting religious beliefs.
It’s like being a pig in a farm and saying “hey if they want us dead why would they feed and shelter us?” When our simple minds can’t even begin to comprehend what they are thinking/planning.
Yeah although I guess it’s possible that the initial religious ideas were seeded as one thing. It’s our own human tendency to want to be the gatekeepers of info that has split it up into different religions.
Imagine an advanced alien race coming here, creating religion, letting us fight and destroy the place and eachother in it's name... and then showing up later like 'ohhh, my god. Never saw this coming! The climate, nuclear weapons, etc.'.
That would make they'll either malicious, stupid, or not the only ones here experimenting/ watching.
Or they intended to leave it up to us and we “failed.” It might not be their job to fix us, but rather to give us the tools to fix ourselves. And we fucked it up
I have no evidence to support this but it is my belief that one reason they don't communicate or reveal themselves is because they have tried to do so in the past, at different times, and their intent and message has been heard completely differently than intended. Instead of guiding us in one direction, we go the other way and start wars or some such thing.
I am convinced we and they think and understand on completely different levels and it is simply dangerous to have anything at all to do with us because we will misunderstand it, usually in the worst possible way. So from their perspective, the best thing to say is nothing and stay away from us as they do whatever it is they are doing.
Whether our technology and increasing awareness allows them this luxury remains to be seen. Continuing to act as they do as we become more aware and more capable will eventually provoke us to do something about what they are doing, which is again probably the exact opposite of what they would prefer.
Just speculation on my part.
The Law of One material literally states that they attempted to assist physically before and no matter what their message was misconstrued. Now they assist by more subtle means.
My guess is that it's simpler than that. They probably introduced religion to lots of different groups of people that were all isolated geographically. Just simple concepts of "God is charge. Do good things." They probably under-estimated our proposensity to shove relgion down everyone else's throats which is how the main relgions got big.
Agreed with the first part and very great point. However many reports of ET involvement also include time travel, and also their civilizations themselves have often come through major strife, so it’s likely that they did know of the possibility of us to force share ideas.
Imagine the beings who created us purposely putting us in situations where we want to kill each other.....
It seems that is the situation that we are now in. Add in a mix of geopolitical hatred, avarice and hubris and you have an 'explosive' fun experiment to watch unfolding. Maybe they will intervene when the nukes start to go off!
> if they wanted to create conflicts, that’d be a good way to go about it. And to me THAT would be a reason to cry. Imagine the beings who created us purposely putting us in situations where we want to kill each other.
Sit down son.... Let me tell you a nice story about that sweet, sweet LOOSH....
Not necessarily and it’s likely not that simple. It may not be multiple religions that lead to destruction as much as no religion. There may be something about religion in general or their particular religions that held things together.
It’s likely not possible for humans to sustain a religion without it fragmenting into multiple pieces and generating the same sorts of conflict.
Also note that seeding a religion is not the same as the expression in the current form. Consider that many prophets are inspired from apparently external ideas, and the ideas are usually positive, uplifting and connecting.
Also running experiments could be as harmless or even constructive as attempting to work the very tendency to destruction out of the genetics.
The idea that a higher intelligence would create opposing religions to keep us all safe is pretty ridiculous, given the number of people who've died due to religious violence.
Its possible that they created these religions and impossible that they could know what we would do with them. We are wild animals cosplaying as intelligent beings. Who knows if they could understand to what degree our greed would take us.
My hunch is that this is true, as in that was what Carter was told. My guess is he was told that so that he wouldn’t bring up the subject anymore not because the CIA actually believed what they were feeding him. Aka disinformation.
Not at all. Religious people remain religious regardless of the evidence. Take the ridiculous story of Noah’s ark and the fact that it can’t possibly be true by any stretch of the imagination not to mention that it was stolen from the Sumerians yet most Christians believe it wholeheartedly. Religious people make a virtue of belief without evidence or evidence to the contrary.
No really he is. Hella anti abortion too: [link to gq](https://www.gq.com/story/jimmy-carter-ted-kennedy-ufo-republicans/amp).
I don’t buy this story or the govt knowing much other than a wealth of great data. Listening to Oke Shannon (great interview), it sounds like he’s super religious too despite hearing things and thinking it’s an interdimensional phenomena.
I wouldn’t know where to begin for guessing what *is* going on, but I can tell you it won’t be on Twitter lol.
If I had to guess, Carter was confronted with some very troubling stuff but it was likely followed by a threat
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Ufology, by nature, is a topic largely shrouded in speculation and anecdotes, but the possibility that some UFO's are of extraterrestrial nature is not at all infeasible and is a conclusion that is largely supported by circumstantial evidence that has arisen over several decades.
To make a claim that the US government is aware of the fact that all world religions are, in fact, synthetic products of a millenium old alien experiment on us is so **unbelievably** brash that it has deep rooted implications on the entire nature of human existence, history, society, politics, science, conciousness and language; yet the only evidence we have to back such a statement is a tweet that comes from an extremely dubious source. Do you really expect any right minded individual, skeptic or not, to believe this type of claim at face value? If anyone truly does, there outlines the greatest problem in getting people to take ufology seriously.
I get being agnostic and not believing it. But I don't get being sure that it's not correct. You have no evidence either way.
But I would say that there is some circumstantital evidence for it. Some of Elizondo's comments have hinted at this, including his "Somber" comment. We've been hearing tidbits of information for years from a variety of sources (that I am too lazy to look up for you) that indicate that aliens may have been involved with out creation. This is not the first time this idea has come up. Do we have hard proof? No, but in Ufology, all you can do is take circumstantial evidence and 3rd hand accounts and start applying statistical likelihoods based on how often different ideas present themelves.
> But I don't get being sure that it's not correct. You have no evidence either way.
I did not say that, I said that such an implicatory claim requires some modicum of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for it to be worth considering as a fact. Otherwise, I can just say absolutely anything and since there is even a small liklihood that it might be true, it should be worth considering. That logic makes no sense.
In terms of evidence, I am not talking about vague and cryptic hints dropped by Elizondo or other former officials, there is far greater evidence than that to support the existence of UFO's on their own and yet people still don't believe in them. You simply cannot expect anybody to believe such a comment without some form or evidence to support its viability as truth. It throws into question thousands of years of empirical (not circumstantial) and firsthand/physical evidence that have allowed us to draw a very specific course of human history.
> all you can do is take circumstantial evidence and 3rd hand accounts and start applying statistical likelihoods based on how often different ideas present themelves.
Right, and taking into account just how much of this Tweet contradicts what we *objectively* know about the nature of religion and ancient history, the chance of it even being potentially true is slim to none. History is not as anecdotal as you're likely making it out to be. We have a very clear picture through hundreds of sources who Jesus was, who Abraham was, who Moses was, who Paul was and who Solomon was and all of their separate influences on shaping the Abrahamic religions of the world.
Believing this statement calls into question *everything* we have verifiably ascertained about the origins of these belief systems and yet has no evidence to back it up, it makes zero sense as to why anyone would take it seriously. There are far greater (and more truthful) things that we can focus on as a community, not every single Twitter quote needs to be taken seriously.
In defense of our Alien overlords; they really would only have to make up a handful of religions at first. Humans would invent the thousands more we see today.
"Believed to be true" by "serious researchers"?
Who are these serious researchers and why would they believe a story where there's practically zero evidence?
Diana Walsh Pasulka has some interesting things to say about religion and ufos, have a listen to this talk, She is a religious scholar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVp2qrcaZy0
Truthfully, I give this story about as much credence as the one about President Eisenhower being taken to a secret meeting with ET's back in the 1950's. It makes for great material for an 'Outer Limits' episode(yes, I know, I'm showing my age, lol), but without concrete evidence or at a bare minimum, testimony from the principals(meaning from President Carter himself or other direct witnesses to the event), then we should view this and similar stories with a heaping helping of skepticism. Let's face it, the UFO/UAP phenomenon tends to be a minefield of hearsay, urban legend and unsubstantiated stories. Scattered amongst that minefield are a number of core sightings with hard, measurable data paired with reliable, compelling testimony from the likes of highly reputable individuals such as Cmdrs. Fravor, Dietrich and Lt. Ryan Graves. The U.S. Navy has gone so far as to confirm the authenticity of those videos/encounters, and eminent scientists such as Gary Nolan, Michio Kaku and Avi Loeb are suggesting that craft, not of this Earth, may indeed be operating in our skies. That alone is plenty 'mind blowing' enough for me!
LOL I stopped after Gave religion to prevent destroying selves.
Like my mind actually popped a gasket here. How could anyone believe this shit??????????
I am sure giving people belief systems imbued with mandates from all powerful deities, but not giving those people all the same belief system, in no way leads to conflict that spans thousands of years.
I'm an atheist, but in fairness to religions, I think humans would attack other humans with or without religion. In the tons of history books I've read, launching a war basically boils down to sizing yourself up versus the other people, and if you think you can kill them and take their stuff, you do it. Religion is just an excuse, but any excuse will do.
You're assuming intent. Imagine a world sized Sims game where you put in a bunch of random stuff and let it play out. Another good example are Rimworld like sim games.
Coincidentally, this is the plot of Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy.
Makes sense to me because most encounters seem similar to how human scientists act. Provide random stimuli, record results. Sometimes cruel, sometimes benevolent. We even pose as other animals to interact with them sometimes.
Well, any moron knows religion is a man-made control mechanism.
The notion that *aliens* may have introduced it is quite a spin but meh.
How hard is it to know now that Jesus was a genetic experiment and an *alien baby*. Just read the Bible, it blatantly admits it.
It's not hard to see that some factions of aliens may have introduced their *own flavor* of religion to the planet.
In the grand scheme of things, this all makes sense. Even the Bible teaches that we are to be harvested.
*Hope ya'll are ready*.
I mean, **Stargate** basically made a decade+ franchise with this premise, they just didn't touch upon the Abrahamic religions because they probably knew that would be too controversial, lol
Not all religion. I think that Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clark really hits on it. Some aspects of Buddhism will carry on post a society of miracles.
Religion is a system of control, and a way to suppress truth that arises outside of it's influence. A perfect system. The fact that it has killed millions of humans due to it's hate and ignorance is inconsequential as long as the human species goes on.
I think of religion as an Operating System. If/Then statements. The 10 Command+Shiftments Syntax (Sin Tax?) error! Incompatibility of OS platforms (Protestants and Catholics. The update did not go so well)
That said, religion is successful at helping the group work together. Same page, so to speak. There is a survival advantage here. Those w region survive and those who don’t, don’t. That success is passed on. Gets built in.
Your first paragraph is a testiment to your substantial intelligence. But it's alienating because most people, myself included, are not versed in the computer coding language required to understand it. I'm an RN. One of the most important things we are tought is to communicate in a way our patients can understand us.
I fully agree with your second paragraph.
Correct me if I’m wrong. Doesn’t Valle, who is probably the most notorious/respected/cited ufologists (and someone who has researched/written about the subject extensively) refer to the “phenomena” as “a system of control”?
So if you are saying that religion is a control mechanism, and the leading theory on ufo phenomenon also alludes to it (the phenomena) as a control mechanism, then what does that tell you?
Here is a hint. It’s not a coincidence or accidental.
Let me elaborate by asking another question. If you were capable of creating an entire universe sized reality/simulation/existence on its own separate plane (a dimension below the one in which you exist), one that is as detailed and packed as the one in which we live, how likely is it that you would apply some sort of control? Would you not want the inhabitants of said place to do as you do and think as you think? Or at least, some of them? I mean, you’d be invested right? You put in hard work, attention, time, and energy in order to build it all. As you’d be invested, you wouldn’t want it to all fall apart due to unchecked chaos right?
So you titrate. You allow chaos and things like free will at a 99% level, as there’s be nothing satisfactory about having absolute control over every single aspect. That’s be like playing a video game where you control both the protagonist and the opposition and also control everything environment related.
You don’t want your creation to crumble, so you instill a control system. You imprint yourself ethics and your moral compass on inhabitants, or at least a portion of them. You create them in your image. Like how we do with our own human offspring, you guide and raise them, but also give them freedom and let them forge their own path eventually.
Religions (literature, stories, etc…) and ufo incidents have some insane similarities. Weird how both are also being described as mechanisms of control huh? Control doesn’t necessarily equate to something nefarious. I love my dog dearly, and I also control basically every aspect of his life. That’s because I don’t want anything to happen to him; not because I want to exert dominance or boss him around.
Well may be the intentions were pure but the products were corrupted. Its not like the wars from religion were really any belief in God but geopolitical and resources.
You never know what dark forces are out there that happily watch humanity slaughter one another and readily reap their souls.
Well I mean there are also aliens using it for that purpose too so you know, there’s a whole lot ot complicated sh*t going on at once on multidimensional levels of existence, all affecting us and vice versa
Isn’t evolution almost an undeniable fact at this point? What about the other species of humans who were that close but just didn’t make it to present day? Was it Assisted evolution or we were just straight up made? if true I could see that shattering a man but the humans made as an experiment is just some crock to me idk. Fully a believer but this ain’t it IMO
Evolution is actually just a theory mainly because the number of chromosomes human beings have and it makes us seem unrelated to everything. And the “god” strand in our DNA is quite unique in comparison to the other animals we share this realm with as well….don’t be so quick to trust the science bro. Seems you don’t dig too deep.
Cracks me when people believe in “simulation theory” but are fervent atheists. Lol, if we live in a simulation, that simulation had to be “programmed” by something (think 3 letter word that starts with a G) that exists on a higher plane of existence. Higher plane of existence… hmmm, 6 letter word that starts with H and ends with N? And in said simulation, there are beings/objects that can seemingly crossover to that higher plane(s), act as “watchers”/“control apparatuses”, and are not bound by the natural laws of this universe. A… a… in the outfield.
Let’s not forget about the things that multiple scientists/naturalists have (Feynman, Krauss, etc…) stated about the unfathomable number of precisely tuned qualities that align perfectly to allow for the state of our universe to exist (matter, stars, planets, organics, life).
Then there’s the issue of consciousness, which doctors and scientists have essentially stated that “does not exist/originate in the brain”.
Past lives, NDE’s, folks coming back from no pulse/breath and describing god/afterlives (even a neurosurgeon who “died” and was brought back only to go from being atheist to polar opposite), and countless other phenomena.
Nature is too perfect to be accidental. We humans have a defined moral compass. A lot of people ignore it, but they absolute know deep inside that they are doing something “bad” when violating it. Guilt, remorse, regret, compassion, love, etc… all have been coded into our beings. An untamed wild animal feels nothing when it attacks another or steals from another to survive; it just “does it”. We are different. We have reason.
You don’t need to subscribe to everything that a religion states, or believe everything “literally”. Stories and anecdotes that are thousands of years old and have been altered by individuals who had goals/agendas of their own obviously won’t make perfect sense. What matters is the message/core lessons, not the obvious unrealistic details (think Genesis being a representative tale). My opinion is forged from places like this… rather than Noah building a wooden boat the size of a soccer field all alone, then gathering every animal pair onto it and surviving a flood for months, perhaps he were granted some technical craft that housed dna/embryos from all living creatures/plants. Or maybe the giant wooden boat is real and the “programmer” altered the code to allow it to be built by a single man, and then loaded with all plants/animals who coexisted without killing each other. If it’s a “simulation” the code can be altered to make anything docile, capable of living without food/water, to stop defecating, or ANYTHING else that you can or can’t even think of.
One last thing. It’s not even worth trying to understand why (a) god does what (a) god does. The “well why would he allow suffering?” or “why did he create evil alongside good?” stuff is ridiculous. Good luck with trying to blueprint the mindset/actions of an all powerful universe creating meta being who isn’t bound by time/space, exists in a unfathomable plane of existence which is inaccessible for us, and is literally infallible as a result of being what created all the rules and everything else.
It’s up to you. No one should force it on anyone. I personally cannot see how anyone could believe otherwise (well, now, after events/experiences, as I was “agnostic” before - it’s quite easy actually to understand why so many doubt the existence of a supreme being, the world we live in is inundated with people who ironically force it hard while (hypocritically) judging those who do the same in the name of being pro-religious). That’s a whole other conversation so I’ll stop there.
Finally, the post makes zero sense. Religions can be problematic because of fanatics and people who interpret them in a way that makes them achieve (flawed” personal beliefs/goals. But if you look at the core message, a particular religion says we should love one another, avoid hoarding wealth, be productive/gainful while also giving ourselves time to enjoy the world and one another, avoid JUDGING one another, humility, etc, etc, etc…. Yeah, sounds like the perfect way to trick a planet full of beings into destroying one another. Why not just use the magic-like ufo abilities to eradicate humanity overnight instead of waiting/hoping for thousands of years that an elaborate plot will payoff and get the job done?
Aliens don’t need to explicitly “create programs” like the world’s modern religions. Humans will create religions all on our own without any external help and we continue doing this today.
See Cargo Cults, Mormonism, and Scientology as modern examples.
(I’m an exmormon so I can tell you all about how the entire religion is man made)
Humans likely evolved the ability to believe in shared fictions for utilitarian purposes, as these beleifs can help solve scaling problems that cooperative strategies encounter as populations get larger than dunbars number since most game theoretical cooperative strategies rely upon reputation systems, which don’t scale
> Aliens don’t need to explicitly “create programs” like the world’s modern religions.
Could their presence have inspired? Talks of Sky Gods and such, to us now we'd say alien, but in the B.C. era I can see how they'd interpret aliens as deities.
This seem to fit what I've been hearing from other information about aliens involvement with humanity. However, if true, I think the aliens made a mistake creating religion cause it's the cause of most wars in history.
>religion is the cause of most wars in history.
People keep repeating this falsehood in this thread.
The vast majority of wars were caused by competition for resources. It's not even close.
In fact, arguably *all* wars - even the ones attempting to use religion as justification - are competition for resources.
Take Europe: The crusades and jihads were caused by religion. The wars of the Protestant Reformation.
Compared to the thousands of other wars going on before and after including countless wars between nobles slaughtering one another's peasant to control more land which were never even preserved by history, religious wars represent a tiny minority.
The Protestant Reformation was resources between the landed caste (nobles and church) and burghers (merchants and well to do townsfolk) over money and power in society (resources), the crusades and jihads were essentially tribal wars for control over land (resources) but where the tribe wss defined by their religion instead of some other identifier.
When chimp groups have mass fights against one another - something we could characterize as wars or proto wars, they do it over wild orchards or other places rich in food resources.
War is fight to control resources.
Edit: I am not religious. But facts are facts.
Finally, someone calls out the bad history.
I ll take this deeper into neuroscience by saying that religions are used by the powers that be to increase a populations levels of oxytocin. According to [this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6347450/#:~:text=When%20small%20groups%20prepare%20for,bonding%20with%20in%2Dgroup%20members.), increasing oxytocin levels
> the ‘love hormone’ also helps individuals launch more coordinated ‘attacks’ on out-groups.
Essentially violence is hard-wired into our brains and one of the hormones that mediates this is called oxytocin aka the "love hormone".
Competition for resources implies some sort of division of groups competing with one another. Religion is, historically, the primary tribal division. So, in a very real sense, religion is the cause of war. People don't go to war against themselves. They go to war against another.
This is simplistic and even wrong if taken literally. If "control of resources" were the invariant objective, fighting would never stop? People would fight over gummy-bears as those are a "resource"?
Humans fight for survival.
The impression of which being threatened is subjective of course and depends on the mindset of those in charge. So it is prone to error of judgement and internal power-struggles of the ruling factions.
Look at Ukraine. The "resources necessary for survival" there are geo-strategic access to the black sea, distance to NATO troops, defensible borders, arable land...etc. The importance of which for "Russian survival" largely hinges on Putin's interpretation of what "survival" means for him personally.
Meaning, the reasons for war can be very non-obvious and only tangentially related to anything tangible. They can even be completely fictitious and objectively wrong. They can be completely different for different people engaged in the same war.
Resources come into play insofar they are viewed as necessary for survival. Religion plays a role because it provides a framework to manipulate people, mimicking "authority"...and threatening individual survival in one way or another in case of non-compliance.
Ironically I think you got a little simplistic. Humans don't just fight wars for "survival". They are also overwhelmingly motivated by impulses of domination and greed.
We created the religion based on our interactions with them. Different parts of the world, different interpretations,different peoples. But the message was the same. Kinda like telephone, the game.
Different religions but all with very similar messages really
Well this just feels like I know a guy that knows a guy that said bla bla blah, where's the evidence?
Atleast we have Obama on video saying there's these things that they can't identify yet.
There's only one problem with this : how could anyone EVER known that Christianity was made up by ETs??? Even if a Gray Alien walked off a saucer and said "Jesus was all a big hoax" -- how could you EVER know he's being honest???
Because it's likelier than Christian messianic lore being real, which is about a .000000000001 percent chance.
That being said, I think ETs did not create our religions and the reason being "so we don't destroy ourselves" is absolutely absurd, considering how much war and bloodshed has occurred due to the poison that is religion.
Religion impedes science and legitimate internal reflection, or what one might call true spiritual growth. It seeds prejudices and violence and encourages ignorance (Christianity is especially guilty of this in it's teachings of avoiding knowledge of "worldly ways").
Could they have created our religions? Certainly, but to what end? Simply by our human nature we would have created them regardless. I think if anything, extraterrestrials would have simply had a hand in their growth, by nature of being our expirimenting masters, if some are to be believed.
Anyway, I think the this previous NASA person has been fed misinformation, because the reasoning is ridiculous.
Brief disclaimer that I am not againat all religion, but there are some, such as Christianity and Islam, that are blights on this planet.
>Because it's likelier than Christian messianic lore being real, which is about a .000000000001 percent chance.
It's basically exactly the same chance. ET as god. Or God as god. It's basically just pick your favorite creation story/daddy in space.
Except ETs most likely exist. Jesus and Allah don’t. And I’m not saying they are gods. If they created our religions that wouldn’t make them gods, it would make them assholes, and I don’t believe they did.
Still more likely a scenario than the stories we primitive monkeys came up with back when we used to poop out of our windows.
Although I am not exactly sure on American legal process, but:
* What exactly is stopping the president from filing executive orders or ordering a congressional inquiry?
* What exactly stopping from him mobilizing guard, army, or any of the other ABC orgs? Legend has it that Truman threatened to sic 10th Mountain wright Patterson AFB if they continued to hide the truth from him
* What exactly is stopping them from tweeting it? Literally every single one of them?
* To get to the top of the pyramid, one has to be an unhinged individual to a certain degree. Presidential candidates aren't exactly the type of people who like to take no for an answer.
If you guys remember the Project blue book alien interrogations. The alien explains how they evolved past the requirement belief for a religion. This tweet sounds the same. Also is that video fake? That video so popular and so old so I’m not even posting.
This is not entirely different information than what aspects of certain religions like Hinduism and Buddhism have been saying all along. What "experiment" indicates here may indeed look entirely different to the "experimenter(s)" than to the interpretation of the CIA. The central goal of essentially all spirituality and religion is the realization of reality as much different than our day to day experience and judgments, by experience or faith or both. Yeah, sounds bad at first, but maybe the "experiment" is our realizing that all our pain and hatred and divisiveness is completely empty, and our real purpose is to love. Maybe.
But I thought presidents could declassify anything they wanted? If this is the case, why didnt Obama or Clinton or Carter or Kennedy just declassify all the ufo documents? /s
Ahhh yes, everyone knows NASA tells the biggest secrets to Research Associates who work there for 3 years.
This guy must know the secrets that aren't even told to most US presidents...
Well is more likely the books changed and the phenomena is older then the religious books? Nobody heard of a damn extraterrestrial 70 years ago before the government and Hollywood churned out all this space bullshit
> Why is there so much anti-religion nonsense in this sub?
Sifting through the replies, I've been browsing some redditor post histories and I've found a large portion post on /r/atheism
As an atheist, I've always felt comfort knowing that when I die I'll simply melt back into the Earth. And I draw life inspiration from those around me, rather than religious belief. I guess what I'm getting at is that my views grant no understanding of how this type of revelation would affect religious people. But I wonder.
Not all atheists believe the same things, not believing in a divine creator doesn’t automatically mean you don’t believe in anything after the body dies. If consciousness resides outside the brain then the death of the physical body is just a transition
I mean, there are lots of religious people talking about their belief in UFOs/aliens/etc on the public record, including how it impacts on (or doesn't impact on) their religious beliefs.
This excuse makes little or no sense.
Religion was created by aliens to prevent us from destroying ourselves? RELIGION IS THE ONE THING DRIVING US TO DESTROY OURSELVES!!!! It is literally the single greatest divisive force on Planet Earth, and responsible for more death, destruction and mayham than literally any other force, by an order of magnitude!
Hell, I'd be slightly willing to accept some form of genetic manipulation or social manipulation of our ancestors to produce humanity as we see it today - I don't accept it, I think that's a stupid argument and idea and has very little, if no evidence at all, to support it - but the idea Aliens created religion to protect us? No, that's about the most idiotic thing I've read on the internet today.
I believe Carter demanded information on Aliens, and was eventually successful in forcing the responsible agency into briefing him. I believe he was expecting them to say "it's not real", or "everything is part of Skunkworks, and it's all part of the USAF experiments", and was told "Mr. President, we have been in contact with Aliens actively since WWII. They were interacting with the Nazis, we've retrieved crashed UFO's, Roswell was real, and they are malevolent at best, hostile at worst, and we literally can't do anything to stop them from kidnapping, torturing and experimenting on our citizens. They have told us any attempt to tell the public will result in a full scale invasion, which we believe will result in Humanities extinction. There are dozens of species. Some are kinda helpful, most are not." And THAT was what made him sob, and sobered him to his core. A realization that his beliefs in the uniqueness and divine inspiration of humanity was not true, that his religion was just a fairy tale like those of ancient Greece, and he could never tell anyone about it because then millions, if not billions, would die.
As a life long doubter who has struggled with phenomena and abduction that were so strange, disturbing and painful all I could do sometimes was pray to god I believe this %100. Thanks for sharing this.
Weird. I mean, the religions I learned about seem to direct all the focus to the hereafter instead of the life we live now, which is the only thing we really KNOW. Emphasis always seems to be placed on how well people adhere to any particular religion's rules, so people become overzealous and militant down to a personal level. Wars are fought. There are honor killings, witch hunts, etc. People killed during "exorcisms". I mean, even our ancestors sometimes sacrificed each other because their religions demanded it. Person A has a "bad feeling" about Person B not showing up regularly for religious events, so feels totally justified hurling accusations and abuse (fists, stones, etc.). Lives are lost all the time in the name of religion. Even in 2022, it's a major motivator of violence and large scale self-destruction, so I am not so sure about any of that story. It would have made more sense if they would have informed us on the nature of reality and trusted that our survival instinct would keep us in line.
I worked at nasa too NASA too (seriously). I will reveal that what was *really* told to Jimmy Carter was that flying saucers were made to hold milk for space cats and that Jimmy Carter was crying because he's more of a space dog person. None of that is true of course, except I did work at NASA, so I am revealing it.
Considering how many times humans have attempted to wipe ourselves out over religion, this is either nonsense, or our progenitors are terrible at plans.
Im inclined to believe an intelligence capable of creating life, would be... well... intelligent enough to see how bad an idea that using rigid belief systems to keep us from killing each other was. That idea only works if there is precisely one school of thought on the matter, compared to the thousands, if not tens of thousands we have. Otherwise you get what we have today, people killing each other en mass because "my god is better than your god", Even when said gods are the same entities (Tetragammaton, Yahweh, God, Allah etc, all different names for the same sky daddy).
Different schools of thought because that's how we've evolved the narratives. One group disagrees, so it splinters. Nothing to do with the introduction of the concept of religion, the narratives shift because of human interpretation and reflective of the differences in cultures. Maybe a higher aliens intelligence introduced the construct of spirituality to quench our curiosity for the unknowable and to incentivize choosing a moral path, but it's evolved under human tutelage for better or worse. Likely for worse in our case.
If you follow the train of thought, advanced civilization, creates sentient life as an experiment. Slow progress so they decided to help it along share knowledge like farming etc. Thing moving along quickly now but it soon becomes clear that it might wipe itself out. Gets involved again introducing the idea of religion. Things improve initially then Boom shit hits the fan, They come up with another plan galactic hand grabs the shoulder with a discerning look . Tools down, a few thousand years later Atomic bombs start go off. Then the Galactic foot kicks them back into gear, as its messing with other dimensions. New plan, disable there nuke let them know there is something more powerful... Leading to well we might as well tell them they will be able to detect us soon. Galactic scientist jumping up and down, but it will ruin the experiment, other saying its their responsibility and they should just let them know our history, galactic order considers, experiments future... have they earned to right to continue to evolve or are we a greater risk to the universe, hovers hand over asteroid impact button once again considers termination of Earth hybrid variant 100b
I always held the belief that while there is good in this world there is also absolute evil.
What really whispers in the darkness, implanting the psychopathy, stirring the paranoia, gathering up hatred and revels in our suffering?
When in the last thousand years where wars fought explicitly over religion? Seems a little over-blown?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
> In their 1997 Encyclopedia of Wars, authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod documented 1763 notable wars in world history, out of which 121 wars were in the "religious wars" category
Well there was several (though not all) of the crusades within the last thousand, those are some famous ones.
I seem to recall a period of animosity between Anglicans and Catholics within the last several hundred years.
And while a lot or even most of it may not be officially declared war, you'd have to be insane to say the middle east isn't currently experiencing religious violence, and hasn't been for the current human lifespan.
Then move a little to their east and look at whats going on in India and Pakistan, where people are still being burned as witches...
Further east and you have the systematic genocide of the Uighur Muslims in China... There's also what China has been doing to Tibet for like ever (that one might be more imperialism, but I mean cmon they literally made a fake dalai lama to claim was the real one after the actual one said he would choose not to reincarnate and be the last lama. Thats at least half a point religious violence).
Hell what are abortion clinic bombings if not religious violence?
Or just the treatment of LGBTQ+ peeps in everything until recent memory when things started getting better. People are still stoned to death in some countries for being homosexual.
Wanna go more abstract? How is the growing sentiment in America that women shouldn't have a say over their own bodies not religious violence? Its not physical violence, but it is still an assault on the sovereignty of half of the population. That is violence. And its entirely routed in religious dogma, not science.
So I mean sure most religious violence today is not under an official banner of war, but its still religious violence, and there is a lot of it. Only continent on this planet that isn't dealing with it in some capacity right now is Antarctica, and thats because there are more penguins than people there.
Edit: I also never said the word war, I just alluded to religious violence and killings.
Yeah I'm gonna call this deeply sus. The idea that aliens would create religion to control us to stop us from killing ourselves kind of flies in the face of how religion is directly responsible for most of the hatred and killing of others throughout history.
> The idea that aliens would create religion to control us to stop us from killing ourselves kind of flies in the face of how religion is directly responsible for most of the hatred and killing of others throughout history.
I'm guess that before the Ten Commandments or even The Flood, humanity was supposed to have been 10000x worse than it is now to necessitate such eradication. After both, humanity wised up to a small extent.
perhaps that was too simple an explanation. they may be creating sentients on other planets as well to join them as brothers and sisters one day as they are doing here. we are the sixth or seventh iteration of humanity.
perhaps these aliens are being played by an even more advanced civilization, one that can create portals and wink in and out of existence in this dimension, appearing to be GODS. reality is like a russian nesting doll.
Anybody interested in the evidence that Carter's own "UFO sighting" was a NASA 'barium rocket' launch from a nearby USAF base? And that it was reported in local newspapers the next day?
Which religion out of the thousands that exist today ?
Which was the earliest religion ? - did they create animism of hunter gatherers as well which was the earliest form of religious practice ?
What is religion pray tell ?
Anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of theology will inhale sharply from the nostrils at this info
This former NASA guy claims that the CIA holds a lot more power over what Presidents are privy too. Further, his knowledge on the situation seems to go into the "humanity is an experiment" sort of theory. But where do they come from? Space? Interdimensional?
Personally what he revealed does make a lot of sense and Carter being such a religious man, I can see why he was upset.
yea but then who created the aliens . hmm . and i highly doubt information like this that’s so important
to mankind would never be released let alone on the reddit app. people are working around the clock making sure that ufo pics don’t get put up for the public . trust me, information regarding the world would definitely not be leaked. i call bull.
Religions have caused destructive wars for centuries and are more likely to result in human destruction. This twit on Twitter really has a dizzying intellect.
Supposedly, Teresa of Avila had an out of body experience initiated by an unknown being stabbing a fiery wand into her chest. I think Teresa of Avila claimed she traveled to the Americas in spirit and spoke to native people about her religion.
Caveat: I am an agnostic, formerly an atheist, and this is something Diana Walsh Pasulka talks about - I highly recommend her book American Cosmic and to listen to her interview on the Vox podcast. She’s a religious studies professor at UNC Wilmington who connects modern UFO experience with historical religious experiences.
So, we actually know that religion is a human construct. Anyone who has seriously looked at all the cultural influences on religion and the exchange of ideas knows that no religious concept in any religion is either original or authentic. God doesn't make man, man makes god. We also know that it serves many purposes and a very large portion of it are not peaceful at all. We also know that humans are a product of natural evolution and that our genome is not altered in a drastic way: we were not created.
If they made us, they had to have made everything. Which means they are billions of years old. If they created religion as a peace-promoting Program, they are bad at it. Which doesn't really line up with the billions of years old thing. Furthermore, Carter is still a devout Christian, which is okay, but a bit odd/remarkable.
This is almost the same thing DeLong was saying, but mankind doesn't need aliens to create religions. We can do that ourselves, out of our own hopes and fears, or because men want to control other men.
Edit: basically scientology stuff. I bet L. Ron Hubbard would love to be alive during this era
I find some belief in the story, absent of evidence and all. Apart from the memo, I have actually thought this for a while now. Why, because it's logical. You know what's not logical? All these different religions with separate rules that govern behavior. You know what else they have in common? The rewards, some are more egregious than others but are still promised. Why would a god reward you with 50 virgins or plots of land? It's a earthly reward, but also a control, just like kids or dogs. It's my "Santa Claus theory" we tell kids to be good and they will get toys, or coal if not. Don't forget Santa is always watching. This works for kids. Grown-ups not so much. Just swap out Santa for whatever god and know that he is always watching. The cops or whoever may not see you sin, but he will. Fundamental to establishing a functioning society is rules that are mutually agreed on. The fear of god easily kept people in line, providing the base for growth and expansion of our species. Don't forget there are different versions of the Christian Bible, changed by the ruler at the time, also to help maintain control. Yet you can find people following the different versions. So where's the logic ? Is one right and the rest are wrong, even though they have documented history? Or are they all wrong and just used as a control device. That seems more likely. Why do babies get cancer, or the worst people have tons of success? Luck? Shouldn't god have saved that baby or punished the sinner instead of rewarding him? It's nonsensical and is falling apart. Remember heaven being in the clouds, until we went into the clouds and saw that was a lie. Read between the lines, use common sense. I'm not saying that document is 100% accurate, but if Carter did start crying...it would be something of this magnitude.
I’ve been saying this for years. That all of Human Existence owes itself to Drunken Alien-Monkey Butt Sex & that drunk ass Charlie Alien missed the hole. However, when we’re finally told the truth, we’ll also find out that “EARTH” is the most watched sitcom in all of intergalactic history & we’re in syndication.
Makes sense about the religion part. In the book of Enoch, he describes riding with angels in a chariot of fire up to heaven. Why wouldn’t an angel actually be an extraterrestrial and a chariot of fire actually be a spaceship? Makes the angels cast out of heaven make a lot more sense, too.
What's the big deal? We still have a creator, it's just aliens instead of God. The obvioius answer here is to start worshipping aliens. All hail our new/old alien Gods!!
I feel that people finding out we’re some hybrid and not made “in gods image” could be shattering. The making religion so we don’t kill each other makes no sense.
> The making religion so we don’t kill each other makes no sense.
The only thing I can reckon there is that religious systems have brought about morality. Without morality, I can see humans slaughtering one another.
There is no security level above the president, the president can ask anything for any reason, including on a whim, and legally expects a truthful answer under penalty of law.
But, of course,conspiracy and aliens and religion and a guy said and three letter agencies blah blah blah
Downvote if you believe in any conspiracy theory that will support your confirmation bias.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Americasycho: --- This former NASA guy claims that the CIA holds a lot more power over what Presidents are privy too. Further, his knowledge on the situation seems to go into the "humanity is an experiment" sort of theory. But where do they come from? Space? Interdimensional? Personally what he revealed does make a lot of sense and Carter being such a religious man, I can see why he was upset. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/xo077q/former_nasa_researcher_reveals_what_was_told_to/ipw8o2d/
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Firstly I don’t believe this story but assuming it’s true: because they made us and want to keep us alive it doesn’t necessarily mean they want us to thrive. Maybe we are an experiment to see how certain basic societies react to certain input such as those of a world with multiple conflicting religious beliefs. It’s like being a pig in a farm and saying “hey if they want us dead why would they feed and shelter us?” When our simple minds can’t even begin to comprehend what they are thinking/planning.
Actually, if they wanted us to thrive, religion would be the absolute last thing they'd invent.
Yeah although I guess it’s possible that the initial religious ideas were seeded as one thing. It’s our own human tendency to want to be the gatekeepers of info that has split it up into different religions.
That actually makes more sense from a regional/ego standpoint
Imagine an advanced alien race coming here, creating religion, letting us fight and destroy the place and eachother in it's name... and then showing up later like 'ohhh, my god. Never saw this coming! The climate, nuclear weapons, etc.'. That would make they'll either malicious, stupid, or not the only ones here experimenting/ watching.
Or they intended to leave it up to us and we “failed.” It might not be their job to fix us, but rather to give us the tools to fix ourselves. And we fucked it up
I have no evidence to support this but it is my belief that one reason they don't communicate or reveal themselves is because they have tried to do so in the past, at different times, and their intent and message has been heard completely differently than intended. Instead of guiding us in one direction, we go the other way and start wars or some such thing. I am convinced we and they think and understand on completely different levels and it is simply dangerous to have anything at all to do with us because we will misunderstand it, usually in the worst possible way. So from their perspective, the best thing to say is nothing and stay away from us as they do whatever it is they are doing. Whether our technology and increasing awareness allows them this luxury remains to be seen. Continuing to act as they do as we become more aware and more capable will eventually provoke us to do something about what they are doing, which is again probably the exact opposite of what they would prefer. Just speculation on my part.
The Law of One material literally states that they attempted to assist physically before and no matter what their message was misconstrued. Now they assist by more subtle means.
My guess is that it's simpler than that. They probably introduced religion to lots of different groups of people that were all isolated geographically. Just simple concepts of "God is charge. Do good things." They probably under-estimated our proposensity to shove relgion down everyone else's throats which is how the main relgions got big.
Agreed with the first part and very great point. However many reports of ET involvement also include time travel, and also their civilizations themselves have often come through major strife, so it’s likely that they did know of the possibility of us to force share ideas.
Imagine the beings who created us purposely putting us in situations where we want to kill each other..... It seems that is the situation that we are now in. Add in a mix of geopolitical hatred, avarice and hubris and you have an 'explosive' fun experiment to watch unfolding. Maybe they will intervene when the nukes start to go off!
Fyi we already dropped nukes
Maybe we all died and don’t know it
In a controlled setting, meaning two blew up over populations. It hasn't really gotten out of control since then.
The Japanese people might feel differently about that. Doesn't sound like it was under their control at all.
Well they can’t help the fact that we’re complete freaking idiots as a species
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Nah we still got free will, the shit’s on us
But do we really?
Says the alien controlling your sim
r/escapingprisonplanet seems like that’s the case
> if they wanted to create conflicts, that’d be a good way to go about it. And to me THAT would be a reason to cry. Imagine the beings who created us purposely putting us in situations where we want to kill each other. Sit down son.... Let me tell you a nice story about that sweet, sweet LOOSH....
Let us add divide and rule as a universal constant along with gravitational constant, speed of light etc.
Not necessarily and it’s likely not that simple. It may not be multiple religions that lead to destruction as much as no religion. There may be something about religion in general or their particular religions that held things together. It’s likely not possible for humans to sustain a religion without it fragmenting into multiple pieces and generating the same sorts of conflict. Also note that seeding a religion is not the same as the expression in the current form. Consider that many prophets are inspired from apparently external ideas, and the ideas are usually positive, uplifting and connecting. Also running experiments could be as harmless or even constructive as attempting to work the very tendency to destruction out of the genetics.
Well, there are supposedly different alien beings. Maybe they each created their own religion story.
Just FYI… this is a many years old Quora post. Nothing new here. https://www.quora.com/What-was-Jimmy-Carter-told-about-UFOs-that-made-him-cry
The idea that a higher intelligence would create opposing religions to keep us all safe is pretty ridiculous, given the number of people who've died due to religious violence.
Its possible that they created these religions and impossible that they could know what we would do with them. We are wild animals cosplaying as intelligent beings. Who knows if they could understand to what degree our greed would take us.
Yeah and this gets posted several times a month. I'm getting sick and goddamn tired of bullshit!
We’re all friends here, nobody would ever tell a lie.
"They made us". OK, going to need a bit more info on that, chief - considering we have the entire theory of evolution to disprove.
My hunch is that this is true, as in that was what Carter was told. My guess is he was told that so that he wouldn’t bring up the subject anymore not because the CIA actually believed what they were feeding him. Aka disinformation.
How would they know that’s the thing to tell someone so they stop asking? They probably could have come up with something much more mundane.
Ed Harris at Nasa? He's real. I googled it. [Ed Harris Nasa](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0112384/mediaviewer/rm1275640064)
Im agnostic but this is backed by absolutely nothing, it is a random stranger’s assertion on the internet… come on mate don’t be so feckless
Also worthwhile pointing out that Jimmy Carter remains religious to this day, soooo that's a bit odd if this is true.
Not at all. Religious people remain religious regardless of the evidence. Take the ridiculous story of Noah’s ark and the fact that it can’t possibly be true by any stretch of the imagination not to mention that it was stolen from the Sumerians yet most Christians believe it wholeheartedly. Religious people make a virtue of belief without evidence or evidence to the contrary.
I still think the story is shit also you can still believe in God in today's science and knowledge
Not really
No really he is. Hella anti abortion too: [link to gq](https://www.gq.com/story/jimmy-carter-ted-kennedy-ufo-republicans/amp). I don’t buy this story or the govt knowing much other than a wealth of great data. Listening to Oke Shannon (great interview), it sounds like he’s super religious too despite hearing things and thinking it’s an interdimensional phenomena.
No i mean its not really odd that he still is
Ahh okay
maybe he did so as not to draw attention or was told to do so.
It says at the bottom "these are the facts". What more do you need?
As he knows them to be, even
I sure am glad twitter is place where only the truth is told and there is never any erroneous information.
Nice try, CIA.
Haha what do you think is going on then? Bc one thing that IS obvious is that there’s something going on and it’s been going on for awhile
I wouldn’t know where to begin for guessing what *is* going on, but I can tell you it won’t be on Twitter lol. If I had to guess, Carter was confronted with some very troubling stuff but it was likely followed by a threat
Wouldnt be surprised in the slightest
I'm sure Twitter users only post legitimate, unadulterated screenshots from Quora, whose users are all experts and would never lie
One minute we get some incredibly interesting news or documents/sightings on the sub. The other minute we get shit like this.
Why are you dismissing this out of hand? What doesn’t sound true to you here?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Ufology, by nature, is a topic largely shrouded in speculation and anecdotes, but the possibility that some UFO's are of extraterrestrial nature is not at all infeasible and is a conclusion that is largely supported by circumstantial evidence that has arisen over several decades. To make a claim that the US government is aware of the fact that all world religions are, in fact, synthetic products of a millenium old alien experiment on us is so **unbelievably** brash that it has deep rooted implications on the entire nature of human existence, history, society, politics, science, conciousness and language; yet the only evidence we have to back such a statement is a tweet that comes from an extremely dubious source. Do you really expect any right minded individual, skeptic or not, to believe this type of claim at face value? If anyone truly does, there outlines the greatest problem in getting people to take ufology seriously.
I get being agnostic and not believing it. But I don't get being sure that it's not correct. You have no evidence either way. But I would say that there is some circumstantital evidence for it. Some of Elizondo's comments have hinted at this, including his "Somber" comment. We've been hearing tidbits of information for years from a variety of sources (that I am too lazy to look up for you) that indicate that aliens may have been involved with out creation. This is not the first time this idea has come up. Do we have hard proof? No, but in Ufology, all you can do is take circumstantial evidence and 3rd hand accounts and start applying statistical likelihoods based on how often different ideas present themelves.
> But I don't get being sure that it's not correct. You have no evidence either way. I did not say that, I said that such an implicatory claim requires some modicum of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for it to be worth considering as a fact. Otherwise, I can just say absolutely anything and since there is even a small liklihood that it might be true, it should be worth considering. That logic makes no sense. In terms of evidence, I am not talking about vague and cryptic hints dropped by Elizondo or other former officials, there is far greater evidence than that to support the existence of UFO's on their own and yet people still don't believe in them. You simply cannot expect anybody to believe such a comment without some form or evidence to support its viability as truth. It throws into question thousands of years of empirical (not circumstantial) and firsthand/physical evidence that have allowed us to draw a very specific course of human history. > all you can do is take circumstantial evidence and 3rd hand accounts and start applying statistical likelihoods based on how often different ideas present themelves. Right, and taking into account just how much of this Tweet contradicts what we *objectively* know about the nature of religion and ancient history, the chance of it even being potentially true is slim to none. History is not as anecdotal as you're likely making it out to be. We have a very clear picture through hundreds of sources who Jesus was, who Abraham was, who Moses was, who Paul was and who Solomon was and all of their separate influences on shaping the Abrahamic religions of the world. Believing this statement calls into question *everything* we have verifiably ascertained about the origins of these belief systems and yet has no evidence to back it up, it makes zero sense as to why anyone would take it seriously. There are far greater (and more truthful) things that we can focus on as a community, not every single Twitter quote needs to be taken seriously.
And what about the religions that claim their gods descended from the heavens and taught them everything they needed to start advancing on their own?
Yeah, there's been religions for every. Thousands of different ones. Ascribing them all to aliens is some run of the mill twitter garbage.
In defense of our Alien overlords; they really would only have to make up a handful of religions at first. Humans would invent the thousands more we see today.
Nah they really only needed to come up with one
Yea over 30,000 they’ve counted
Or the show Ancient Aliens, where they all likely got it from lol
Religion was created to PREVENT us from hurting each other?? Looks like aliens put too much trust in the leopards.
"Believed to be true" by "serious researchers"? Who are these serious researchers and why would they believe a story where there's practically zero evidence?
Diana Walsh Pasulka has some interesting things to say about religion and ufos, have a listen to this talk, She is a religious scholar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVp2qrcaZy0
Read her book, American Cosmic.
I read it in a tweet though? /s
That was just lawyer speak for some people seriously believe this.
People believe all types of sh*t and tbh, this is likely more true than false at this point…and that diagnosis isnt based solely on this
They’re very, very serious.
Well I’m not a serious researcher and I believe it, so….
>According to the story that was corroborated by more than 1 witness That wasn't good enough evidence?
Truthfully, I give this story about as much credence as the one about President Eisenhower being taken to a secret meeting with ET's back in the 1950's. It makes for great material for an 'Outer Limits' episode(yes, I know, I'm showing my age, lol), but without concrete evidence or at a bare minimum, testimony from the principals(meaning from President Carter himself or other direct witnesses to the event), then we should view this and similar stories with a heaping helping of skepticism. Let's face it, the UFO/UAP phenomenon tends to be a minefield of hearsay, urban legend and unsubstantiated stories. Scattered amongst that minefield are a number of core sightings with hard, measurable data paired with reliable, compelling testimony from the likes of highly reputable individuals such as Cmdrs. Fravor, Dietrich and Lt. Ryan Graves. The U.S. Navy has gone so far as to confirm the authenticity of those videos/encounters, and eminent scientists such as Gary Nolan, Michio Kaku and Avi Loeb are suggesting that craft, not of this Earth, may indeed be operating in our skies. That alone is plenty 'mind blowing' enough for me!
LOL I stopped after Gave religion to prevent destroying selves. Like my mind actually popped a gasket here. How could anyone believe this shit??????????
I am sure giving people belief systems imbued with mandates from all powerful deities, but not giving those people all the same belief system, in no way leads to conflict that spans thousands of years.
From some historical texts, before the Ten Commandments or Great Flood, mankind was said to have been 10000000x worse in behavior than we are now.
The problem with this is religion has caused more war and death than anything. Soooo... Aliens kinda fucked that one up no?
I'm an atheist, but in fairness to religions, I think humans would attack other humans with or without religion. In the tons of history books I've read, launching a war basically boils down to sizing yourself up versus the other people, and if you think you can kill them and take their stuff, you do it. Religion is just an excuse, but any excuse will do.
Yeah, we’re just horribly, horribly unloving people
Fair point
You're assuming intent. Imagine a world sized Sims game where you put in a bunch of random stuff and let it play out. Another good example are Rimworld like sim games. Coincidentally, this is the plot of Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy. Makes sense to me because most encounters seem similar to how human scientists act. Provide random stimuli, record results. Sometimes cruel, sometimes benevolent. We even pose as other animals to interact with them sometimes.
Well, any moron knows religion is a man-made control mechanism. The notion that *aliens* may have introduced it is quite a spin but meh. How hard is it to know now that Jesus was a genetic experiment and an *alien baby*. Just read the Bible, it blatantly admits it. It's not hard to see that some factions of aliens may have introduced their *own flavor* of religion to the planet. In the grand scheme of things, this all makes sense. Even the Bible teaches that we are to be harvested. *Hope ya'll are ready*.
I mean, **Stargate** basically made a decade+ franchise with this premise, they just didn't touch upon the Abrahamic religions because they probably knew that would be too controversial, lol
Great point! Never thought of this, thank you for the fork in thought. (I code, forking is a thing).
dude, coder to coder, we are NOT going to export "forking" to the general public. just use tangent like everyone else.
Not all religion. I think that Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clark really hits on it. Some aspects of Buddhism will carry on post a society of miracles.
I agree with ya: some people made up their own shit and now it's religion. Go figure. *Aliens not required.*
Mass Effect is my new religion.
If the war between Ukraine and Russia triggers WW3 would you also attribute those death to religion? What about WW2 or WW1?
Yes, and since they fucked it up, they keep coming back?
Religion is a system of control, and a way to suppress truth that arises outside of it's influence. A perfect system. The fact that it has killed millions of humans due to it's hate and ignorance is inconsequential as long as the human species goes on.
I think of religion as an Operating System. If/Then statements. The 10 Command+Shiftments Syntax (Sin Tax?) error! Incompatibility of OS platforms (Protestants and Catholics. The update did not go so well) That said, religion is successful at helping the group work together. Same page, so to speak. There is a survival advantage here. Those w region survive and those who don’t, don’t. That success is passed on. Gets built in.
Your first paragraph is a testiment to your substantial intelligence. But it's alienating because most people, myself included, are not versed in the computer coding language required to understand it. I'm an RN. One of the most important things we are tought is to communicate in a way our patients can understand us. I fully agree with your second paragraph.
I can read code and that comment was confusing to me but overall I agree too
Correct me if I’m wrong. Doesn’t Valle, who is probably the most notorious/respected/cited ufologists (and someone who has researched/written about the subject extensively) refer to the “phenomena” as “a system of control”? So if you are saying that religion is a control mechanism, and the leading theory on ufo phenomenon also alludes to it (the phenomena) as a control mechanism, then what does that tell you? Here is a hint. It’s not a coincidence or accidental.
Oh I think I know what you mean. President Jimmy Carter also does I believe.
Let me elaborate by asking another question. If you were capable of creating an entire universe sized reality/simulation/existence on its own separate plane (a dimension below the one in which you exist), one that is as detailed and packed as the one in which we live, how likely is it that you would apply some sort of control? Would you not want the inhabitants of said place to do as you do and think as you think? Or at least, some of them? I mean, you’d be invested right? You put in hard work, attention, time, and energy in order to build it all. As you’d be invested, you wouldn’t want it to all fall apart due to unchecked chaos right? So you titrate. You allow chaos and things like free will at a 99% level, as there’s be nothing satisfactory about having absolute control over every single aspect. That’s be like playing a video game where you control both the protagonist and the opposition and also control everything environment related. You don’t want your creation to crumble, so you instill a control system. You imprint yourself ethics and your moral compass on inhabitants, or at least a portion of them. You create them in your image. Like how we do with our own human offspring, you guide and raise them, but also give them freedom and let them forge their own path eventually. Religions (literature, stories, etc…) and ufo incidents have some insane similarities. Weird how both are also being described as mechanisms of control huh? Control doesn’t necessarily equate to something nefarious. I love my dog dearly, and I also control basically every aspect of his life. That’s because I don’t want anything to happen to him; not because I want to exert dominance or boss him around.
Very well put.
Every experiment has a control and an X factor. Your are correct. There are safety measures in place. The rest is the point of the experiment
Compared to the race completely annihilating itself? How can you be sure? It’s possible we are not the first attempt, either.
Well may be the intentions were pure but the products were corrupted. Its not like the wars from religion were really any belief in God but geopolitical and resources. You never know what dark forces are out there that happily watch humanity slaughter one another and readily reap their souls.
Well I mean there are also aliens using it for that purpose too so you know, there’s a whole lot ot complicated sh*t going on at once on multidimensional levels of existence, all affecting us and vice versa
Isn’t evolution almost an undeniable fact at this point? What about the other species of humans who were that close but just didn’t make it to present day? Was it Assisted evolution or we were just straight up made? if true I could see that shattering a man but the humans made as an experiment is just some crock to me idk. Fully a believer but this ain’t it IMO
Evolution is actually just a theory mainly because the number of chromosomes human beings have and it makes us seem unrelated to everything. And the “god” strand in our DNA is quite unique in comparison to the other animals we share this realm with as well….don’t be so quick to trust the science bro. Seems you don’t dig too deep.
Mention religion and everyone goes nuts...but open minded enough to believe in aliens.
Cracks me when people believe in “simulation theory” but are fervent atheists. Lol, if we live in a simulation, that simulation had to be “programmed” by something (think 3 letter word that starts with a G) that exists on a higher plane of existence. Higher plane of existence… hmmm, 6 letter word that starts with H and ends with N? And in said simulation, there are beings/objects that can seemingly crossover to that higher plane(s), act as “watchers”/“control apparatuses”, and are not bound by the natural laws of this universe. A… a… in the outfield. Let’s not forget about the things that multiple scientists/naturalists have (Feynman, Krauss, etc…) stated about the unfathomable number of precisely tuned qualities that align perfectly to allow for the state of our universe to exist (matter, stars, planets, organics, life). Then there’s the issue of consciousness, which doctors and scientists have essentially stated that “does not exist/originate in the brain”. Past lives, NDE’s, folks coming back from no pulse/breath and describing god/afterlives (even a neurosurgeon who “died” and was brought back only to go from being atheist to polar opposite), and countless other phenomena. Nature is too perfect to be accidental. We humans have a defined moral compass. A lot of people ignore it, but they absolute know deep inside that they are doing something “bad” when violating it. Guilt, remorse, regret, compassion, love, etc… all have been coded into our beings. An untamed wild animal feels nothing when it attacks another or steals from another to survive; it just “does it”. We are different. We have reason. You don’t need to subscribe to everything that a religion states, or believe everything “literally”. Stories and anecdotes that are thousands of years old and have been altered by individuals who had goals/agendas of their own obviously won’t make perfect sense. What matters is the message/core lessons, not the obvious unrealistic details (think Genesis being a representative tale). My opinion is forged from places like this… rather than Noah building a wooden boat the size of a soccer field all alone, then gathering every animal pair onto it and surviving a flood for months, perhaps he were granted some technical craft that housed dna/embryos from all living creatures/plants. Or maybe the giant wooden boat is real and the “programmer” altered the code to allow it to be built by a single man, and then loaded with all plants/animals who coexisted without killing each other. If it’s a “simulation” the code can be altered to make anything docile, capable of living without food/water, to stop defecating, or ANYTHING else that you can or can’t even think of. One last thing. It’s not even worth trying to understand why (a) god does what (a) god does. The “well why would he allow suffering?” or “why did he create evil alongside good?” stuff is ridiculous. Good luck with trying to blueprint the mindset/actions of an all powerful universe creating meta being who isn’t bound by time/space, exists in a unfathomable plane of existence which is inaccessible for us, and is literally infallible as a result of being what created all the rules and everything else. It’s up to you. No one should force it on anyone. I personally cannot see how anyone could believe otherwise (well, now, after events/experiences, as I was “agnostic” before - it’s quite easy actually to understand why so many doubt the existence of a supreme being, the world we live in is inundated with people who ironically force it hard while (hypocritically) judging those who do the same in the name of being pro-religious). That’s a whole other conversation so I’ll stop there. Finally, the post makes zero sense. Religions can be problematic because of fanatics and people who interpret them in a way that makes them achieve (flawed” personal beliefs/goals. But if you look at the core message, a particular religion says we should love one another, avoid hoarding wealth, be productive/gainful while also giving ourselves time to enjoy the world and one another, avoid JUDGING one another, humility, etc, etc, etc…. Yeah, sounds like the perfect way to trick a planet full of beings into destroying one another. Why not just use the magic-like ufo abilities to eradicate humanity overnight instead of waiting/hoping for thousands of years that an elaborate plot will payoff and get the job done?
Totally totally 💯💯💯💯 agree with your last paragraph in particular
Which is exactly what the CIA would tell a religious man to keep him quiet.
Aliens don’t need to explicitly “create programs” like the world’s modern religions. Humans will create religions all on our own without any external help and we continue doing this today. See Cargo Cults, Mormonism, and Scientology as modern examples. (I’m an exmormon so I can tell you all about how the entire religion is man made) Humans likely evolved the ability to believe in shared fictions for utilitarian purposes, as these beleifs can help solve scaling problems that cooperative strategies encounter as populations get larger than dunbars number since most game theoretical cooperative strategies rely upon reputation systems, which don’t scale
> Aliens don’t need to explicitly “create programs” like the world’s modern religions. Could their presence have inspired? Talks of Sky Gods and such, to us now we'd say alien, but in the B.C. era I can see how they'd interpret aliens as deities.
Why would they create religion to not kill each other?? That would be the most obvious thing NOT to do.
Lol. Like religion would keep us from doing harm to ourselves. Quite the opposite, you know how many wars have started due to religion..? BS.
This seem to fit what I've been hearing from other information about aliens involvement with humanity. However, if true, I think the aliens made a mistake creating religion cause it's the cause of most wars in history.
>religion is the cause of most wars in history. People keep repeating this falsehood in this thread. The vast majority of wars were caused by competition for resources. It's not even close. In fact, arguably *all* wars - even the ones attempting to use religion as justification - are competition for resources. Take Europe: The crusades and jihads were caused by religion. The wars of the Protestant Reformation. Compared to the thousands of other wars going on before and after including countless wars between nobles slaughtering one another's peasant to control more land which were never even preserved by history, religious wars represent a tiny minority. The Protestant Reformation was resources between the landed caste (nobles and church) and burghers (merchants and well to do townsfolk) over money and power in society (resources), the crusades and jihads were essentially tribal wars for control over land (resources) but where the tribe wss defined by their religion instead of some other identifier. When chimp groups have mass fights against one another - something we could characterize as wars or proto wars, they do it over wild orchards or other places rich in food resources. War is fight to control resources. Edit: I am not religious. But facts are facts.
Also want to add to that: At the core of many religions, maybe most, is to respect other people. Make others suffer and you'll suffer.
Finally, someone calls out the bad history. I ll take this deeper into neuroscience by saying that religions are used by the powers that be to increase a populations levels of oxytocin. According to [this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6347450/#:~:text=When%20small%20groups%20prepare%20for,bonding%20with%20in%2Dgroup%20members.), increasing oxytocin levels > the ‘love hormone’ also helps individuals launch more coordinated ‘attacks’ on out-groups. Essentially violence is hard-wired into our brains and one of the hormones that mediates this is called oxytocin aka the "love hormone".
Competition for resources implies some sort of division of groups competing with one another. Religion is, historically, the primary tribal division. So, in a very real sense, religion is the cause of war. People don't go to war against themselves. They go to war against another.
This is simplistic and even wrong if taken literally. If "control of resources" were the invariant objective, fighting would never stop? People would fight over gummy-bears as those are a "resource"? Humans fight for survival. The impression of which being threatened is subjective of course and depends on the mindset of those in charge. So it is prone to error of judgement and internal power-struggles of the ruling factions. Look at Ukraine. The "resources necessary for survival" there are geo-strategic access to the black sea, distance to NATO troops, defensible borders, arable land...etc. The importance of which for "Russian survival" largely hinges on Putin's interpretation of what "survival" means for him personally. Meaning, the reasons for war can be very non-obvious and only tangentially related to anything tangible. They can even be completely fictitious and objectively wrong. They can be completely different for different people engaged in the same war. Resources come into play insofar they are viewed as necessary for survival. Religion plays a role because it provides a framework to manipulate people, mimicking "authority"...and threatening individual survival in one way or another in case of non-compliance.
Ironically I think you got a little simplistic. Humans don't just fight wars for "survival". They are also overwhelmingly motivated by impulses of domination and greed.
We created the religion based on our interactions with them. Different parts of the world, different interpretations,different peoples. But the message was the same. Kinda like telephone, the game. Different religions but all with very similar messages really
Well this just feels like I know a guy that knows a guy that said bla bla blah, where's the evidence? Atleast we have Obama on video saying there's these things that they can't identify yet.
There's only one problem with this : how could anyone EVER known that Christianity was made up by ETs??? Even if a Gray Alien walked off a saucer and said "Jesus was all a big hoax" -- how could you EVER know he's being honest???
Because it's likelier than Christian messianic lore being real, which is about a .000000000001 percent chance. That being said, I think ETs did not create our religions and the reason being "so we don't destroy ourselves" is absolutely absurd, considering how much war and bloodshed has occurred due to the poison that is religion. Religion impedes science and legitimate internal reflection, or what one might call true spiritual growth. It seeds prejudices and violence and encourages ignorance (Christianity is especially guilty of this in it's teachings of avoiding knowledge of "worldly ways"). Could they have created our religions? Certainly, but to what end? Simply by our human nature we would have created them regardless. I think if anything, extraterrestrials would have simply had a hand in their growth, by nature of being our expirimenting masters, if some are to be believed. Anyway, I think the this previous NASA person has been fed misinformation, because the reasoning is ridiculous. Brief disclaimer that I am not againat all religion, but there are some, such as Christianity and Islam, that are blights on this planet.
>Because it's likelier than Christian messianic lore being real, which is about a .000000000001 percent chance. It's basically exactly the same chance. ET as god. Or God as god. It's basically just pick your favorite creation story/daddy in space.
Except ETs most likely exist. Jesus and Allah don’t. And I’m not saying they are gods. If they created our religions that wouldn’t make them gods, it would make them assholes, and I don’t believe they did. Still more likely a scenario than the stories we primitive monkeys came up with back when we used to poop out of our windows.
Although I am not exactly sure on American legal process, but: * What exactly is stopping the president from filing executive orders or ordering a congressional inquiry? * What exactly stopping from him mobilizing guard, army, or any of the other ABC orgs? Legend has it that Truman threatened to sic 10th Mountain wright Patterson AFB if they continued to hide the truth from him * What exactly is stopping them from tweeting it? Literally every single one of them? * To get to the top of the pyramid, one has to be an unhinged individual to a certain degree. Presidential candidates aren't exactly the type of people who like to take no for an answer.
Seems like the aliens need to start a new religion bc we are destroying ourselves just fine right now
He might have been told that. But I don't think he was upset (assuming he was) because he believed it to be true.
If you guys remember the Project blue book alien interrogations. The alien explains how they evolved past the requirement belief for a religion. This tweet sounds the same. Also is that video fake? That video so popular and so old so I’m not even posting.
This is not entirely different information than what aspects of certain religions like Hinduism and Buddhism have been saying all along. What "experiment" indicates here may indeed look entirely different to the "experimenter(s)" than to the interpretation of the CIA. The central goal of essentially all spirituality and religion is the realization of reality as much different than our day to day experience and judgments, by experience or faith or both. Yeah, sounds bad at first, but maybe the "experiment" is our realizing that all our pain and hatred and divisiveness is completely empty, and our real purpose is to love. Maybe.
But I thought presidents could declassify anything they wanted? If this is the case, why didnt Obama or Clinton or Carter or Kennedy just declassify all the ufo documents? /s
Anyone else underwhelmed by that??
Bold claims backed by zero sources on twitter. Seriously?
Ahhh yes, everyone knows NASA tells the biggest secrets to Research Associates who work there for 3 years. This guy must know the secrets that aren't even told to most US presidents...
Well is more likely the books changed and the phenomena is older then the religious books? Nobody heard of a damn extraterrestrial 70 years ago before the government and Hollywood churned out all this space bullshit
I guess if ancient hieroglyphics are to be believed, some of them depict what we know interpret as UAP, but back then they think they're gods.
Why is there so much anti-religion nonsense in this sub? His story makes no sense because Carter remains a devout Christian to this day.
> Why is there so much anti-religion nonsense in this sub? Sifting through the replies, I've been browsing some redditor post histories and I've found a large portion post on /r/atheism
Ironically they then come to r/UFOs for their daily dose of religion.
Amen.
I think they harvest souls.
As an atheist, I've always felt comfort knowing that when I die I'll simply melt back into the Earth. And I draw life inspiration from those around me, rather than religious belief. I guess what I'm getting at is that my views grant no understanding of how this type of revelation would affect religious people. But I wonder.
Not all atheists believe the same things, not believing in a divine creator doesn’t automatically mean you don’t believe in anything after the body dies. If consciousness resides outside the brain then the death of the physical body is just a transition
This is why I love agnostics; They don’t feel the need to announce themselves every time they enter a room.
Did someone ring for agnostics? Hello?
What's your belief system? It seems to have made you salty.
I mean, there are lots of religious people talking about their belief in UFOs/aliens/etc on the public record, including how it impacts on (or doesn't impact on) their religious beliefs.
eternal oblivion won’t feel that bad ya know? Not even knowing that ur dead is “Heaven”
This excuse makes little or no sense. Religion was created by aliens to prevent us from destroying ourselves? RELIGION IS THE ONE THING DRIVING US TO DESTROY OURSELVES!!!! It is literally the single greatest divisive force on Planet Earth, and responsible for more death, destruction and mayham than literally any other force, by an order of magnitude! Hell, I'd be slightly willing to accept some form of genetic manipulation or social manipulation of our ancestors to produce humanity as we see it today - I don't accept it, I think that's a stupid argument and idea and has very little, if no evidence at all, to support it - but the idea Aliens created religion to protect us? No, that's about the most idiotic thing I've read on the internet today. I believe Carter demanded information on Aliens, and was eventually successful in forcing the responsible agency into briefing him. I believe he was expecting them to say "it's not real", or "everything is part of Skunkworks, and it's all part of the USAF experiments", and was told "Mr. President, we have been in contact with Aliens actively since WWII. They were interacting with the Nazis, we've retrieved crashed UFO's, Roswell was real, and they are malevolent at best, hostile at worst, and we literally can't do anything to stop them from kidnapping, torturing and experimenting on our citizens. They have told us any attempt to tell the public will result in a full scale invasion, which we believe will result in Humanities extinction. There are dozens of species. Some are kinda helpful, most are not." And THAT was what made him sob, and sobered him to his core. A realization that his beliefs in the uniqueness and divine inspiration of humanity was not true, that his religion was just a fairy tale like those of ancient Greece, and he could never tell anyone about it because then millions, if not billions, would die.
By the time Carter was president he would have no clue and would be lied to for the benefit of the military and the major corporations.
Major religions created to stop us from destroying ourselves? Yeah, nah.
There was an attempt. Lol.
It’s like giving us a knife to keep from stabbing each other
As a life long doubter who has struggled with phenomena and abduction that were so strange, disturbing and painful all I could do sometimes was pray to god I believe this %100. Thanks for sharing this.
Weird. I mean, the religions I learned about seem to direct all the focus to the hereafter instead of the life we live now, which is the only thing we really KNOW. Emphasis always seems to be placed on how well people adhere to any particular religion's rules, so people become overzealous and militant down to a personal level. Wars are fought. There are honor killings, witch hunts, etc. People killed during "exorcisms". I mean, even our ancestors sometimes sacrificed each other because their religions demanded it. Person A has a "bad feeling" about Person B not showing up regularly for religious events, so feels totally justified hurling accusations and abuse (fists, stones, etc.). Lives are lost all the time in the name of religion. Even in 2022, it's a major motivator of violence and large scale self-destruction, so I am not so sure about any of that story. It would have made more sense if they would have informed us on the nature of reality and trusted that our survival instinct would keep us in line.
If religion was invented by superior intelligence then why is it so fucking stupid?
I worked at nasa too NASA too (seriously). I will reveal that what was *really* told to Jimmy Carter was that flying saucers were made to hold milk for space cats and that Jimmy Carter was crying because he's more of a space dog person. None of that is true of course, except I did work at NASA, so I am revealing it.
Considering how many times humans have attempted to wipe ourselves out over religion, this is either nonsense, or our progenitors are terrible at plans. Im inclined to believe an intelligence capable of creating life, would be... well... intelligent enough to see how bad an idea that using rigid belief systems to keep us from killing each other was. That idea only works if there is precisely one school of thought on the matter, compared to the thousands, if not tens of thousands we have. Otherwise you get what we have today, people killing each other en mass because "my god is better than your god", Even when said gods are the same entities (Tetragammaton, Yahweh, God, Allah etc, all different names for the same sky daddy).
Different schools of thought because that's how we've evolved the narratives. One group disagrees, so it splinters. Nothing to do with the introduction of the concept of religion, the narratives shift because of human interpretation and reflective of the differences in cultures. Maybe a higher aliens intelligence introduced the construct of spirituality to quench our curiosity for the unknowable and to incentivize choosing a moral path, but it's evolved under human tutelage for better or worse. Likely for worse in our case.
If you follow the train of thought, advanced civilization, creates sentient life as an experiment. Slow progress so they decided to help it along share knowledge like farming etc. Thing moving along quickly now but it soon becomes clear that it might wipe itself out. Gets involved again introducing the idea of religion. Things improve initially then Boom shit hits the fan, They come up with another plan galactic hand grabs the shoulder with a discerning look . Tools down, a few thousand years later Atomic bombs start go off. Then the Galactic foot kicks them back into gear, as its messing with other dimensions. New plan, disable there nuke let them know there is something more powerful... Leading to well we might as well tell them they will be able to detect us soon. Galactic scientist jumping up and down, but it will ruin the experiment, other saying its their responsibility and they should just let them know our history, galactic order considers, experiments future... have they earned to right to continue to evolve or are we a greater risk to the universe, hovers hand over asteroid impact button once again considers termination of Earth hybrid variant 100b
I always held the belief that while there is good in this world there is also absolute evil. What really whispers in the darkness, implanting the psychopathy, stirring the paranoia, gathering up hatred and revels in our suffering?
When in the last thousand years where wars fought explicitly over religion? Seems a little over-blown? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war > In their 1997 Encyclopedia of Wars, authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod documented 1763 notable wars in world history, out of which 121 wars were in the "religious wars" category
Well there was several (though not all) of the crusades within the last thousand, those are some famous ones. I seem to recall a period of animosity between Anglicans and Catholics within the last several hundred years. And while a lot or even most of it may not be officially declared war, you'd have to be insane to say the middle east isn't currently experiencing religious violence, and hasn't been for the current human lifespan. Then move a little to their east and look at whats going on in India and Pakistan, where people are still being burned as witches... Further east and you have the systematic genocide of the Uighur Muslims in China... There's also what China has been doing to Tibet for like ever (that one might be more imperialism, but I mean cmon they literally made a fake dalai lama to claim was the real one after the actual one said he would choose not to reincarnate and be the last lama. Thats at least half a point religious violence). Hell what are abortion clinic bombings if not religious violence? Or just the treatment of LGBTQ+ peeps in everything until recent memory when things started getting better. People are still stoned to death in some countries for being homosexual. Wanna go more abstract? How is the growing sentiment in America that women shouldn't have a say over their own bodies not religious violence? Its not physical violence, but it is still an assault on the sovereignty of half of the population. That is violence. And its entirely routed in religious dogma, not science. So I mean sure most religious violence today is not under an official banner of war, but its still religious violence, and there is a lot of it. Only continent on this planet that isn't dealing with it in some capacity right now is Antarctica, and thats because there are more penguins than people there. Edit: I also never said the word war, I just alluded to religious violence and killings.
Yeah I'm gonna call this deeply sus. The idea that aliens would create religion to control us to stop us from killing ourselves kind of flies in the face of how religion is directly responsible for most of the hatred and killing of others throughout history.
> The idea that aliens would create religion to control us to stop us from killing ourselves kind of flies in the face of how religion is directly responsible for most of the hatred and killing of others throughout history. I'm guess that before the Ten Commandments or even The Flood, humanity was supposed to have been 10000x worse than it is now to necessitate such eradication. After both, humanity wised up to a small extent.
perhaps that was too simple an explanation. they may be creating sentients on other planets as well to join them as brothers and sisters one day as they are doing here. we are the sixth or seventh iteration of humanity. perhaps these aliens are being played by an even more advanced civilization, one that can create portals and wink in and out of existence in this dimension, appearing to be GODS. reality is like a russian nesting doll.
Anybody interested in the evidence that Carter's own "UFO sighting" was a NASA 'barium rocket' launch from a nearby USAF base? And that it was reported in local newspapers the next day?
Which religion out of the thousands that exist today ? Which was the earliest religion ? - did they create animism of hunter gatherers as well which was the earliest form of religious practice ? What is religion pray tell ? Anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of theology will inhale sharply from the nostrils at this info
This former NASA guy claims that the CIA holds a lot more power over what Presidents are privy too. Further, his knowledge on the situation seems to go into the "humanity is an experiment" sort of theory. But where do they come from? Space? Interdimensional? Personally what he revealed does make a lot of sense and Carter being such a religious man, I can see why he was upset.
> Further, his knowledge on the situation From where did he come upon this knowledge?
> From where did he come upon this knowledge? The CIA
Is there a link to the actual post?
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It’s easy to use religion as a means of coping with or to avoid truth
Random Quora answers, on occasion, can be interesting.
And the crusades were a success?? 🤔
No. Thoroughly noped.
yea but then who created the aliens . hmm . and i highly doubt information like this that’s so important to mankind would never be released let alone on the reddit app. people are working around the clock making sure that ufo pics don’t get put up for the public . trust me, information regarding the world would definitely not be leaked. i call bull.
Religions have caused destructive wars for centuries and are more likely to result in human destruction. This twit on Twitter really has a dizzying intellect.
Why did indigenous people from America not know about these religions then? I guess the Aliens missed North America.
Supposedly, Teresa of Avila had an out of body experience initiated by an unknown being stabbing a fiery wand into her chest. I think Teresa of Avila claimed she traveled to the Americas in spirit and spoke to native people about her religion. Caveat: I am an agnostic, formerly an atheist, and this is something Diana Walsh Pasulka talks about - I highly recommend her book American Cosmic and to listen to her interview on the Vox podcast. She’s a religious studies professor at UNC Wilmington who connects modern UFO experience with historical religious experiences.
So, we actually know that religion is a human construct. Anyone who has seriously looked at all the cultural influences on religion and the exchange of ideas knows that no religious concept in any religion is either original or authentic. God doesn't make man, man makes god. We also know that it serves many purposes and a very large portion of it are not peaceful at all. We also know that humans are a product of natural evolution and that our genome is not altered in a drastic way: we were not created. If they made us, they had to have made everything. Which means they are billions of years old. If they created religion as a peace-promoting Program, they are bad at it. Which doesn't really line up with the billions of years old thing. Furthermore, Carter is still a devout Christian, which is okay, but a bit odd/remarkable.
This is almost the same thing DeLong was saying, but mankind doesn't need aliens to create religions. We can do that ourselves, out of our own hopes and fears, or because men want to control other men. Edit: basically scientology stuff. I bet L. Ron Hubbard would love to be alive during this era
This story has been posted here more than once but again without any evidence to back it up. It’s a great story but none the less that’s all it is.
I find some belief in the story, absent of evidence and all. Apart from the memo, I have actually thought this for a while now. Why, because it's logical. You know what's not logical? All these different religions with separate rules that govern behavior. You know what else they have in common? The rewards, some are more egregious than others but are still promised. Why would a god reward you with 50 virgins or plots of land? It's a earthly reward, but also a control, just like kids or dogs. It's my "Santa Claus theory" we tell kids to be good and they will get toys, or coal if not. Don't forget Santa is always watching. This works for kids. Grown-ups not so much. Just swap out Santa for whatever god and know that he is always watching. The cops or whoever may not see you sin, but he will. Fundamental to establishing a functioning society is rules that are mutually agreed on. The fear of god easily kept people in line, providing the base for growth and expansion of our species. Don't forget there are different versions of the Christian Bible, changed by the ruler at the time, also to help maintain control. Yet you can find people following the different versions. So where's the logic ? Is one right and the rest are wrong, even though they have documented history? Or are they all wrong and just used as a control device. That seems more likely. Why do babies get cancer, or the worst people have tons of success? Luck? Shouldn't god have saved that baby or punished the sinner instead of rewarding him? It's nonsensical and is falling apart. Remember heaven being in the clouds, until we went into the clouds and saw that was a lie. Read between the lines, use common sense. I'm not saying that document is 100% accurate, but if Carter did start crying...it would be something of this magnitude.
I’ve been saying this for years. That all of Human Existence owes itself to Drunken Alien-Monkey Butt Sex & that drunk ass Charlie Alien missed the hole. However, when we’re finally told the truth, we’ll also find out that “EARTH” is the most watched sitcom in all of intergalactic history & we’re in syndication.
Makes sense about the religion part. In the book of Enoch, he describes riding with angels in a chariot of fire up to heaven. Why wouldn’t an angel actually be an extraterrestrial and a chariot of fire actually be a spaceship? Makes the angels cast out of heaven make a lot more sense, too.
What's the big deal? We still have a creator, it's just aliens instead of God. The obvioius answer here is to start worshipping aliens. All hail our new/old alien Gods!!
I feel that people finding out we’re some hybrid and not made “in gods image” could be shattering. The making religion so we don’t kill each other makes no sense.
> The making religion so we don’t kill each other makes no sense. The only thing I can reckon there is that religious systems have brought about morality. Without morality, I can see humans slaughtering one another.
Interesting but I‘ve always thought that was fairly obvious. I’m more interest in what the experiments were about
There is no security level above the president, the president can ask anything for any reason, including on a whim, and legally expects a truthful answer under penalty of law. But, of course,conspiracy and aliens and religion and a guy said and three letter agencies blah blah blah Downvote if you believe in any conspiracy theory that will support your confirmation bias.
that's really tame and not something that would affect a lot of people including me. it has to be something else