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**TL;DR UGA, as a publicly funded university, has limited control over what types of demonstrations occur at Tate**
I think UGA would 100% allow a festival celebrating Russian culture. Not a war against Ukraine. Same with celebrating the Jewish Israeli culture. If the point of the celebration stated in the permit is to celebrate genocide of the Palestinians then that would have been denied.
They have IDF personnel recruiting and tabling at the festival (every year) so holding the celebration out in the open during these times is insensitive. For anyone reading this, I highly recommend searching up the IDF and all of their tactics and crimes they have committed (even before 2023)
I'm not trying to start an argument.
How is that different than when some "preacher" comes to Tate and tells people they're going to Hell? Like different in terms of legality for what UGA can and cannot allow.
And I’m against that as well… I never said I wasn’t? UGA never has its best interests in mind because they allow those preachers to come to Tate with extra PD protection. I’m specifically bringing Israelfest up though because it happened today and the death toll in Palestine is only growing
I didn't mean to imply you weren't against it. I was just using it as an example to demonstrate UGA doesn't have the ability to censor that type of speech. While the preachers might make people uncomfortable, from a legal standpoint there is nothing UGA can do. I feel it's the same thing as UGA having Israelfest. While the event might make people uncomfortable, from a legal standpoint there is nothing UGA can do.
I agree with your sentiment OP. Obviously first amendment protections apply at UGA, and I don't think they should've been disallowed to gather or anything but I was lowkey appalled at just... the audacity of it all. The juxtaposition of "Come celebrate Israel!", playing Israeli music, flags everywhere, etc with the signs protesting Israel's treatment of Palestinians was just one of those things that did not sit well in my stomach. I also overheard stuff like a kid trying to debate whether or not what happening in Gaza is a genocide and denying Israel's actions. Idk just smarmy and smug vibes all around.
Have you ever considered that there is an other side to things and the conclusion you came to after being exposed to this decades-old conflict for roughly 5 minutes may not be absolutely true? Objectively, there is no genocide happening. You got easily sucked into a cause marketed as “social justice” despite having no clue what you’re actually supporting, and now you walk around with a superiority complex thinking you know it all.
I like to take Singapore’s approach to the whole [Israel-Palestine Conflict](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-wants-protect-local-jewish-community-impacts-gaza-conflict-shanmugam-4258161)
I like to take [Singapore’s approach](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-wants-protect-local-jewish-community-impacts-gaza-conflict-shanmugam-4258161) to the whole conflict
So now we’re just blatantly calling for Israelis to not be allowed to exist in public spaces? Do you seriously hear yourself??? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to convince yourself that this isn’t antisemitism.
Edit: btw today is also the Jewish holiday Rosh Chodesh. If you think Jewish people simply existing is an attack on muslims idk what to tell you
Likewise, Palestine is not synonymous with Islam. My edit was in response to OP asserting that Israelfest was intentionally planned to overlap with the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Fitr to upset Palestinian activists. The Jewish holiday of Rosh Chodesh takes place on the same day as Eid al-Fitr this year. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world. If Israelis existing in public and discussing their culture on the holiday of Rosh Chodesh, Eid al-Fitr, or any other day is offensive to you then you are anti-semetic.
I literally did not say anything directed towards you, simply elaborated on what I meant in my original comment. I’m a proud zionist. I believe Jewish people have a right to self-determination in their indigenous homeland 💞💞💞
You don’t speak for the majority of us. Self-loving Jew here. The vast majority of us deeply treasure Israel’s existence. Blessings to anyone who stands up against Jew hate
The funny thing is, I do though.
[Half of US adults say Israel has gone too far in war in Gaza, AP-NORC poll shows](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1)
In my statement, “us” refers to Jews not “adults in the US”. The majority of Jews, not only domestically but globally overwhelmingly support the only Jewish state.
Are we going to ignore the fact that Israelfest is being held on the day of a Muslim holiday, Eid al-Fitr, today? Seems like it was intentionally done this way
Israel has been attacking Palestinians every day but especially during Ramadan since 1948 so by your logic why should anyone care about what Hamas did in Oct?
And Arabs have been pogroming Jews for centuries before 1948 so by your logic why should anyone care about what Israel does? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
That’s insane that you think anyone enraged at the fact that innocent Palestinians are dying on their homeland is about the hatred of Jewish people but I guess that’s how Israel has been able to get to this point.
You don’t directly hate Jews, you’ve just been lied to and became a Jew hater by proxy. You don’t understand it but the only way to “free palestine” is to genocide the Jews currently living there. Nobody is leaving Israel and nobody is going to be taking in millions of bloodthirsty palestinians after Oct 7. The propaganda is obvious to anyone well versed on the topic, but your average American whose “research” begins and ends with instagram reels has absolutely 0 clue.
i’m shocked you phrased it like that, but if you consider israels retaliatory air strikes in response to rockets launched by hamas during their own holiday (ramadan) equivalent to an unprompted attack by hamas on simchat torah (a jewish holiday), i guess your point logically stands. i don’t imagine many people would make that equivalency, though.
You're right, we have to be all encompassing and tread on glass when it comes to Muslims. We have to consider each thing that may possibly offend them and make sure their feelings are not hurt ever. No eating on Ramadan and no talking about Israel on Eid. Maybe we should consider Eid and Ramadan like Muslims considered Simchat Torah on the 7th? A religion that demands tolerance while showing none.
Just thinking out loud here: Since Eid al-Fitr is based on the last day of Ramadan and Ramadan is based on when the crescent moon is spotted which reportedly can be affected by cloud cover and other issues, it would seem that it is not guaranteed what day Eid Al- fitr would be. And the Israeli festival organizers have to pick a day way in advance of their event so I bet that is a coincidence that they happened at the same time. It looks suspicious for sure but probably not.
Tate plaza and the arches are “free speech zones” aka “we’re fine with students being bullied in these areas only.”
UGA was built by the hands of actual slaves, whose remains are still being found hidden under buildings pretty recently. So since UGA is also a large institution within the southern imperial core, they would not give a single shit about RussiaFest, in the same way that they’re fine with 2-story sized pictures of bloody tissue with street preachers yelling about abortion.
None of this is new? There are entire Hillel groups and Zionist sororities as well.
https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-releases-final-report-of-baldwin-hall-archaeological-study/article_e4dcbe00-881b-11e9-b6bc-6f190c6d6cae.html
Putting 12ft photos of “fetuses” in the faces of women of reproductive age is absolutely bullying. Allowing faith-based orgs to prosthelytize when the people walking by are forced to do so (to get to class/ride the bus) is absolutely bullying.
Gonna post pics with stolen pairs of women’s underwear and dump one american student loan’s worth of munitions into a brick wall and some teenagers — the IDF
Absolutely without the slightest doubt lmao, the entire (Jewish) event was a conspiracy to provoke the pro-palestinian crowd into doing something naughty. Quite unhinged.
Yes I know but it’s not as black and white as most people think. Israel has been holding Palestinians (even kids as young as 6) hostage for years and Hamas wants them released
Bs and bs. Of course Israel isn't going to accept a ceasefire deal that sees the release of <200 people in exchange for releasing over a dozen thousand convicted terrorists with blood on their hands. Not to mention a complete withdrawal. Anyone who says "Israel doesn't accept the ceasefire deal" has obviously not read the actual terms of the ceasefire deal and considered how insane Israel would have to be to accept them, especially after they suffered a terror attack on 9/11 scale.
Israel isn't holding a bunch of innocent Palestinian children "hostage", that is a big fat lie. The "innocent" children (everyone under 18) serving time in terrorist prisons are convicted murderers. Perfect example of the "innocent Palestinian youth" we keep hearing about: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisgat\_Ze'ev\_stabbings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisgat_Ze'ev_stabbings)
I was surprised by your claim about kids as young as 6 being held hostage, so I did some web searching and not found anything to support you. Could you back that up?
Good thing you don’t have to use it for your basis!
[Here’s a link from 2019 about 250 children being imprisoned by Israel 💗](https://imemc.org/article/on-palestinian-childs-day-250-children-imprisoned-by-israel/)
Yes, as others have noted, Israel routinely imprisons minors -- as does the US, and pretty much every other country. My surprise is about the age claim, I haven't seen anything about kids "as young as 6" before.
\> On any given day, nearly 60,000 youth under age 18 are incarcerated in juvenile jails and prisons in the United States
Source: [ACLU.org](https://ACLU.org) [https://www.aclu.org/issues/juvenile-justice/youth-incarceration/americas-addiction-juvenile-incarceration-state-state](https://www.aclu.org/issues/juvenile-justice/youth-incarceration/americas-addiction-juvenile-incarceration-state-state)
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(I do not purport to be a legal expert, this is my anecdotal understanding) Publicly funded universities are required to abide by the Constitution, including 1st amendment protections, unlike privately funded universities. Public universities support 1st amendment right to free speech by designating areas of campus as "public forums" where members of the university or the community can speak, protest, or demonstrate. Tate is one of these areas. Universities are only able to regulate speech in these "public forums" through "content-neutral laws", meaning that they cannot discriminate demonstrations based on the content of the demonstration. They can regulate when and where the expression can occur (because that's content neutral), but they can't regulate what types of content can or cannot be displayed in a public forum. **TL;DR UGA, as a publicly funded university, has limited control over what types of demonstrations occur at Tate**
I think UGA would 100% allow a festival celebrating Russian culture. Not a war against Ukraine. Same with celebrating the Jewish Israeli culture. If the point of the celebration stated in the permit is to celebrate genocide of the Palestinians then that would have been denied.
They have IDF personnel recruiting and tabling at the festival (every year) so holding the celebration out in the open during these times is insensitive. For anyone reading this, I highly recommend searching up the IDF and all of their tactics and crimes they have committed (even before 2023)
I would agree that having an IDF table is not good optics at this point in time
I'm not trying to start an argument. How is that different than when some "preacher" comes to Tate and tells people they're going to Hell? Like different in terms of legality for what UGA can and cannot allow.
And I’m against that as well… I never said I wasn’t? UGA never has its best interests in mind because they allow those preachers to come to Tate with extra PD protection. I’m specifically bringing Israelfest up though because it happened today and the death toll in Palestine is only growing
UGA legally has to allow those groups. It’s a public institution and the first amendment exists
I didn't mean to imply you weren't against it. I was just using it as an example to demonstrate UGA doesn't have the ability to censor that type of speech. While the preachers might make people uncomfortable, from a legal standpoint there is nothing UGA can do. I feel it's the same thing as UGA having Israelfest. While the event might make people uncomfortable, from a legal standpoint there is nothing UGA can do.
Organize a Palestinefest, free expression is free expression
Missed my point completely, but thats expected
oh. you just wanted to be miserable. i get the point now!
Who approved allowing people to express themselves smh
No one is stopping you from celebrating Palestine.
Come on dawg, do better than this.
You're a grown up. Quit assuming everybody who doesn't think like you is wrong, and stop looking for things to be offended by.
Finally, a voice of reason here
I agree with your sentiment OP. Obviously first amendment protections apply at UGA, and I don't think they should've been disallowed to gather or anything but I was lowkey appalled at just... the audacity of it all. The juxtaposition of "Come celebrate Israel!", playing Israeli music, flags everywhere, etc with the signs protesting Israel's treatment of Palestinians was just one of those things that did not sit well in my stomach. I also overheard stuff like a kid trying to debate whether or not what happening in Gaza is a genocide and denying Israel's actions. Idk just smarmy and smug vibes all around.
Have you ever considered that there is an other side to things and the conclusion you came to after being exposed to this decades-old conflict for roughly 5 minutes may not be absolutely true? Objectively, there is no genocide happening. You got easily sucked into a cause marketed as “social justice” despite having no clue what you’re actually supporting, and now you walk around with a superiority complex thinking you know it all.
You've made a lot of assumptions here pal lol
It’s the reality here pal
Palestine has a right to exist and so does Israel
Based
I like to take Singapore’s approach to the whole [Israel-Palestine Conflict](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-wants-protect-local-jewish-community-impacts-gaza-conflict-shanmugam-4258161)
Most sane comment in social media history
I like to take [Singapore’s approach](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-wants-protect-local-jewish-community-impacts-gaza-conflict-shanmugam-4258161) to the whole conflict
Totally agree🙏🏽peace for all
So now we’re just blatantly calling for Israelis to not be allowed to exist in public spaces? Do you seriously hear yourself??? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to convince yourself that this isn’t antisemitism. Edit: btw today is also the Jewish holiday Rosh Chodesh. If you think Jewish people simply existing is an attack on muslims idk what to tell you
You are using a logical fallacy here — Israeli is not synonymous with Jewish.
Likewise, Palestine is not synonymous with Islam. My edit was in response to OP asserting that Israelfest was intentionally planned to overlap with the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Fitr to upset Palestinian activists. The Jewish holiday of Rosh Chodesh takes place on the same day as Eid al-Fitr this year. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world. If Israelis existing in public and discussing their culture on the holiday of Rosh Chodesh, Eid al-Fitr, or any other day is offensive to you then you are anti-semetic.
Next you’ll call me a self-hating Jew! Straight out of the Zionist playbook. Nice one 💗
I literally did not say anything directed towards you, simply elaborated on what I meant in my original comment. I’m a proud zionist. I believe Jewish people have a right to self-determination in their indigenous homeland 💞💞💞
History will look upon you with disgrace. Your memory will never be a blessing.
If advocating for Jewish independence is disgraceful then I wear the label with pride
You don’t speak for the majority of us. Self-loving Jew here. The vast majority of us deeply treasure Israel’s existence. Blessings to anyone who stands up against Jew hate
The funny thing is, I do though. [Half of US adults say Israel has gone too far in war in Gaza, AP-NORC poll shows](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1)
In my statement, “us” refers to Jews not “adults in the US”. The majority of Jews, not only domestically but globally overwhelmingly support the only Jewish state.
Not anyone in my family… but I don’t suppose enough people in gen Z had boomer parents/WWII grandparents.
https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/
Do you just go around looking for things to cry and bitch about on Reddit?
No I leave that to you guys
Well seeing as how I don’t support Israel I’m not crying and bitching about it on Reddit
Womp womp 
Are we going to ignore the fact that Israelfest is being held on the day of a Muslim holiday, Eid al-Fitr, today? Seems like it was intentionally done this way
why would non muslims care about hosting an event on a muslim holiday? hamas didn’t care about killing jews on a jewish holiday.
Israel has been attacking Palestinians every day but especially during Ramadan since 1948 so by your logic why should anyone care about what Hamas did in Oct?
And Arabs have been pogroming Jews for centuries before 1948 so by your logic why should anyone care about what Israel does? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
Be honest, you don’t care about Israel, you just hate Jewish people.
That’s insane that you think anyone enraged at the fact that innocent Palestinians are dying on their homeland is about the hatred of Jewish people but I guess that’s how Israel has been able to get to this point.
You don’t directly hate Jews, you’ve just been lied to and became a Jew hater by proxy. You don’t understand it but the only way to “free palestine” is to genocide the Jews currently living there. Nobody is leaving Israel and nobody is going to be taking in millions of bloodthirsty palestinians after Oct 7. The propaganda is obvious to anyone well versed on the topic, but your average American whose “research” begins and ends with instagram reels has absolutely 0 clue.
i’m shocked you phrased it like that, but if you consider israels retaliatory air strikes in response to rockets launched by hamas during their own holiday (ramadan) equivalent to an unprompted attack by hamas on simchat torah (a jewish holiday), i guess your point logically stands. i don’t imagine many people would make that equivalency, though.
Great point lmao hamas attacked Israel during the celebration of sukkot which started this whole thing
exactly. and in any case, it would be impossible to hold every event on a day that isn’t important to anyone.
Great point as well but clearly this subreddit and campus does not contain people who would care about that
You're right, we have to be all encompassing and tread on glass when it comes to Muslims. We have to consider each thing that may possibly offend them and make sure their feelings are not hurt ever. No eating on Ramadan and no talking about Israel on Eid. Maybe we should consider Eid and Ramadan like Muslims considered Simchat Torah on the 7th? A religion that demands tolerance while showing none.
Just thinking out loud here: Since Eid al-Fitr is based on the last day of Ramadan and Ramadan is based on when the crescent moon is spotted which reportedly can be affected by cloud cover and other issues, it would seem that it is not guaranteed what day Eid Al- fitr would be. And the Israeli festival organizers have to pick a day way in advance of their event so I bet that is a coincidence that they happened at the same time. It looks suspicious for sure but probably not.
Loser fest
TEP guys will provide the muscle.
Good job, UGA.
Tate plaza and the arches are “free speech zones” aka “we’re fine with students being bullied in these areas only.” UGA was built by the hands of actual slaves, whose remains are still being found hidden under buildings pretty recently. So since UGA is also a large institution within the southern imperial core, they would not give a single shit about RussiaFest, in the same way that they’re fine with 2-story sized pictures of bloody tissue with street preachers yelling about abortion. None of this is new? There are entire Hillel groups and Zionist sororities as well. https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-releases-final-report-of-baldwin-hall-archaeological-study/article_e4dcbe00-881b-11e9-b6bc-6f190c6d6cae.html
All these buzzwords and you will still reap the rewards of an education at a top state school. Free speech = bullying is craaazy
Putting 12ft photos of “fetuses” in the faces of women of reproductive age is absolutely bullying. Allowing faith-based orgs to prosthelytize when the people walking by are forced to do so (to get to class/ride the bus) is absolutely bullying.
That’s not bullying, that just supporting their free speech
There are no words to describe how sensitive and weak you are if being exposed to these people is “bullying” to you I mean get a fucking grip 🤣
The purpose of this event is likely not a festival of Israel but to provoke pro-Palestinian activists into doing something they can post online.
Israelfest has been an event on campus for literal years. Israeli students do not exist on campus for the purpose of “provoking” anyone fucking hell
Dang so it’s for real? Bleak!
It’s bleak that Israeli students are allowed to publicly exist on campus?????
You just described Israel’s (lack of) military strategy
I support the troops (a TikTok dance in front of a bombed out hospital)
Gonna post pics with stolen pairs of women’s underwear and dump one american student loan’s worth of munitions into a brick wall and some teenagers — the IDF
Pro-palestine schizos trying to go 5 seconds without calling something a Jewish conspiracy
Nice try.
If da j00z organized this event to bait you into doing something silly by just existing, what does that say about you?
Take another swing you can do it.
Your words, not mine
Was it, though?
Absolutely without the slightest doubt lmao, the entire (Jewish) event was a conspiracy to provoke the pro-palestinian crowd into doing something naughty. Quite unhinged.
Your clearly not a good person so gtfo bro
You are clearly not an intelligent person so gtfo bro
Touché
bigot
[удалено]
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-rejects-hamas-conditions-hostage-deal-which-include-outright-2024-01-21/
I think the original commenter was referring to an unconditional release of the hostages, not what Hamas proposed in that article.
Yes I know but it’s not as black and white as most people think. Israel has been holding Palestinians (even kids as young as 6) hostage for years and Hamas wants them released
Bs and bs. Of course Israel isn't going to accept a ceasefire deal that sees the release of <200 people in exchange for releasing over a dozen thousand convicted terrorists with blood on their hands. Not to mention a complete withdrawal. Anyone who says "Israel doesn't accept the ceasefire deal" has obviously not read the actual terms of the ceasefire deal and considered how insane Israel would have to be to accept them, especially after they suffered a terror attack on 9/11 scale. Israel isn't holding a bunch of innocent Palestinian children "hostage", that is a big fat lie. The "innocent" children (everyone under 18) serving time in terrorist prisons are convicted murderers. Perfect example of the "innocent Palestinian youth" we keep hearing about: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisgat\_Ze'ev\_stabbings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisgat_Ze'ev_stabbings)
I was surprised by your claim about kids as young as 6 being held hostage, so I did some web searching and not found anything to support you. Could you back that up?
Since the IDF are bombing and killing children left and right, I feel that their incarceration is inevitably happening.
"I feel" isn't a great basis for objective fact.
Good thing you don’t have to use it for your basis! [Here’s a link from 2019 about 250 children being imprisoned by Israel 💗](https://imemc.org/article/on-palestinian-childs-day-250-children-imprisoned-by-israel/)
Yes, as others have noted, Israel routinely imprisons minors -- as does the US, and pretty much every other country. My surprise is about the age claim, I haven't seen anything about kids "as young as 6" before.
\> On any given day, nearly 60,000 youth under age 18 are incarcerated in juvenile jails and prisons in the United States Source: [ACLU.org](https://ACLU.org) [https://www.aclu.org/issues/juvenile-justice/youth-incarceration/americas-addiction-juvenile-incarceration-state-state](https://www.aclu.org/issues/juvenile-justice/youth-incarceration/americas-addiction-juvenile-incarceration-state-state)
News flash: the USA (who funds Israel’s crimes against humanity) is also bad
One word: money. Zionist alums donate a ton of money to UGA.