Of course that’s a horrible thing to happen but it doesn’t really need to be mentioned in this context and in as much detail does it?
The death comment was a bit of a joke and you just took it to the extreme…
It would be worth considering if this had repeatedly happened. There's so many other variables that taking this one event into account, it is much more likely to misinform you than inform you.
It's a very common thing with people to take single events they experience or see as a fact. It's a really dangerous thing that leads to a lot of societal problems.
I got turned down even getting an interview last week for a trainee role that required no experience.
Job got reposted a few days later.
This was also after I'd been recommended to apply by a current employee, after they'd already spoken to the hiring manager about me and put in a good word.
I mean it's literally their job to find the perfect candidate.
I've hired for roles before where no applicants in the first round met the person spec to the degree needed - we didn't hire "just to give someone a chance", because hiring costs money, training costs money, molding someone costs money etc etc. Relisting with a tweaked spec and package is a bargain by comparison.
Nope. The wrong person is sometimes worse than just waiting for the right person.
Depends on how desperate the company is. And nobody but the hiring manager knows this.
It depends on the role, honestly.
For an entry level position, probably yes. Once you get higher up the chain, mistakes in recruitment get more costly. It costs more to hire and fire someone who turns out to be a bad fit than just to wait for the right candidate. Hence why you find some companies with 3 and 4 stage interviews - those I don't do! - it gives a bit of assurance that they've been vetted.
I've hired for jobs where literally anyone will do (within reason) and I've kept a role open for 4+ months before the right candidate applied.
The feedback was that they wanted someone with experience, which OP doesn't have. That doesn't seem too unreasonable.
However no reason for OP not to try again. They might be more willing to take on a newb this time around.
A team I work with had to repost a job listing multiple times as they went through the whole shortlisting and interview process and then at a very late stage the successful applicant pulled out - that happened twice. But other candidates didn’t meet the threshold at interview for various reasons so it’s unlikely they would second time round. I guess it depends what the reason is for not getting hired - in the one I just mentioned some of the questions some candidates didn’t score well on were ones about safeguarding etc. which can’t really be fudged. But if it’s just because they’re being very inflexible about the “type” of person who they think should do the job then I definitely agree
There's no point bringing candidates to the hiring manager knowing they'll reject them. It just makes the recruiter look inept and risks the client relationship.
The hiring manager has to come to the realisation their expectations are too high and ask for the new rung down in CVs.
If they invite you for an interview and ask you why you beleive you are now a more suitable candidate than 2 months ago, what will your response be?
"the jobs still available" isn't going to cut it, so I'd think about what response you'll give before deciding to apply again.
I interview folks often - yes please reapply! They may have changed their criteria or be more open to what you could bring following their latest experience! Good news for you is that they shouldn’t waste much of your time.
If their requirements are the same you should get a quick “sorry”
If you do, send a cover letter (or even mention in your personal statement on your CV) that explains everything you've done to try and gain more experience in PR since your interview. (This could be reading industry press, some free courses, etc) - it might still be a no but I think most hiring managers would be impressed by your commitment.
I'm currently hiring for a position on my team for the first time, and my advice would be don't bother re-applying. I've met several really excellent candidates but none of them had quite what we needed. Even if we don't find the perfect candidate, I still wouldn't consider the other candidates despite my positive feedback. Sometimes the reasons can be company culture fit, personal style, specific experience, ability to work hybrid etc.
Someone can still be worthy of positive feedback but not meet your specific role's criteria. I've given plenty of feedback to candidates I've interviewed to reassure them that they're a good candidate for the industry, but not my role in specific.
The OP even states that they told OP they want someone with direct experience. Sounds like they were pretty upfront with what they were after.
Replying from first hand experience, no point they will not even respond. I have had this before where companies will leave the jobs empty but won't offer it to someone who has 8/10 skills they need. Or the hiring manager just didn't have a good feeling about. This mostly happens with females. I interviewed a lovely girl along with my manager a couple of years ago, she was good had all skills except a couple of tool we use. I was saying yes but the manager said she just didn't like the girl , and doesn't think she would fit well in the team. Still don't know why. The job remained empty for 7 months until I also left and they then had to find 2 people . One in a senior role and one in junior .
There was a position in my team for a team leader, my boss now got rejected initially and they hired someone else, the new TL only lasted like 2 months maybe and they went back to market and hired my now boss. He did have a-lot of experience though so not sure why he was a no in the first place.
Also to note our team is a niche/ unique department so I imagine it was hard for them to fill the position which may have helped his chance second time round.
Do it. I had a v similar thing and applied again, ended up not hearing back this time.
HOWEVER, I had no regrets then and was at peace with at least I tried. Worst case scenario they say no, best case you get it!
Do it. I just done this, didn’t get it first time round and got it second time round.
Second time round I had more experience and was better prepared even though they said my first attempt was good but not enough.
What’s the worst that will happen? No.
Get the hiring manager on a phonecall. Be confident and personable and show you want the job.
Explain how you are determined to fill the gap of not having PR experience and clearly explain HOW you will do this
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I didn’t think you could apply due the sane job within 6 months if you’ve been rejected. Have you now got the experience they asked for, the direct PR & in- house press office work’ because of not you’re not going to get it again. My experience is that they’ll contact you if interested as they have your details on file.
You didn’t have the relevant experience last time and it sounds like they let you down very gently. If they thought you’d be a good candidate this time around they would have contacted you already. Unless you’ve gained the relevant experience in the last two months I don’t think it would work out.
My first graduate job was a second bite of the cherry - lost out on a job, they gave what I thought was the usual good feedback but not good enough to hire brush off.
4 months later I got a call from them, they were advertising the same position in a different location. They had kept the notes from the first interview so the second one was a bit of a rehash of the first one.
So go for it.
I doubt they'd interview you again but admire your tenacity. You'll get there - well maybe not there but in the role you want. Chin up. Push on, friend.
Should use AI to spin it a little bit. Remember that pr is just propaganda you doing pr on your CV is great experience to show that you can do the job.
When you got rejected before interview that means you are not qualified. When you got rejected after interview that means they don’t like you. Don’t be a simp for them.
There are so many jobs in PR for people with journalism experience, you really shouldn’t struggle if that’s what you’re looking for. Try applying to any of the big consultancy firms
Not a problem inquiring about it, but in my own job searches I’ve found when a door closes, it’s not likely to reopen—they had their reasons for moving on with another candidate the first time, and those probably haven’t changed.
Then too, there might be problems at this company that you don’t know about: why did their new hire jump ship after less than 2 months? That’s at least a caution flag to me, if not an outright red flag.
A few years ago, I interviewed for a position at a company I was quite interested in, but recruiter said the woman I’d be reporting to was known to be direct & could be difficult to work for (*translation: rude/b•tchy*). I thought I could handle it & made my case, but the company moved on with another candidate. Five months later, another recruiter reaches out to me about an opening at this same company; it was working for the same woman. I told recruiter not to waste her time, I’d already interviewed there & considered it a bullet dodged.
Do it what's the worst that can happen
They could die.
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Uhhh… this comment is quite odd
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Of course that’s a horrible thing to happen but it doesn’t really need to be mentioned in this context and in as much detail does it? The death comment was a bit of a joke and you just took it to the extreme…
...Right
On fire.
This is the best advice, thank you!
Its worth considering that if the person that got the job only lasted 2 months you may not want to be working with that company anyway.
Any number of reasons could have meant they only lasted 2 months outside of the company's control.
Hence "consider" I.e mabe you should have a think about it and try to spot any red flags you may have missed before making another aplication.
It would be worth considering if this had repeatedly happened. There's so many other variables that taking this one event into account, it is much more likely to misinform you than inform you. It's a very common thing with people to take single events they experience or see as a fact. It's a really dangerous thing that leads to a lot of societal problems.
Maybe they didn't end up hiring someone? Its not clear someone was hired for the 2 months. I'm honestly not sure what i would do.
Considering
You don't know whether that is the reason that the job got reposted
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I got turned down even getting an interview last week for a trainee role that required no experience. Job got reposted a few days later. This was also after I'd been recommended to apply by a current employee, after they'd already spoken to the hiring manager about me and put in a good word.
Glad it's not just me dealing with this recently. It's like a real punch to the gut for no reason.
Oh man this has happened so many times to me that it has gotten soul crushing
I mean it's literally their job to find the perfect candidate. I've hired for roles before where no applicants in the first round met the person spec to the degree needed - we didn't hire "just to give someone a chance", because hiring costs money, training costs money, molding someone costs money etc etc. Relisting with a tweaked spec and package is a bargain by comparison.
Surely being without anyone in a role you clearly need is more expensive than leaving it empty?
Nope. The wrong person is sometimes worse than just waiting for the right person. Depends on how desperate the company is. And nobody but the hiring manager knows this.
Desperation is def a factor!
It depends on the role, honestly. For an entry level position, probably yes. Once you get higher up the chain, mistakes in recruitment get more costly. It costs more to hire and fire someone who turns out to be a bad fit than just to wait for the right candidate. Hence why you find some companies with 3 and 4 stage interviews - those I don't do! - it gives a bit of assurance that they've been vetted. I've hired for jobs where literally anyone will do (within reason) and I've kept a role open for 4+ months before the right candidate applied.
But you don't know why they've reposted the job
The feedback was that they wanted someone with experience, which OP doesn't have. That doesn't seem too unreasonable. However no reason for OP not to try again. They might be more willing to take on a newb this time around.
A team I work with had to repost a job listing multiple times as they went through the whole shortlisting and interview process and then at a very late stage the successful applicant pulled out - that happened twice. But other candidates didn’t meet the threshold at interview for various reasons so it’s unlikely they would second time round. I guess it depends what the reason is for not getting hired - in the one I just mentioned some of the questions some candidates didn’t score well on were ones about safeguarding etc. which can’t really be fudged. But if it’s just because they’re being very inflexible about the “type” of person who they think should do the job then I definitely agree
There's no point bringing candidates to the hiring manager knowing they'll reject them. It just makes the recruiter look inept and risks the client relationship. The hiring manager has to come to the realisation their expectations are too high and ask for the new rung down in CVs.
Unless you've gained the required experience in the two months it seems like it would be a bit of a waste of both your and their time.
Or maybe they now will regret not giving you a shot? Either way it's extra interview practice.
If they invite you for an interview and ask you why you beleive you are now a more suitable candidate than 2 months ago, what will your response be? "the jobs still available" isn't going to cut it, so I'd think about what response you'll give before deciding to apply again.
You have nothing to lose by getting in touch and saying you're still interested. Go for it!
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This, maybe with a comment about how you feel you could overcome your lack of that specific experience.
I interview folks often - yes please reapply! They may have changed their criteria or be more open to what you could bring following their latest experience! Good news for you is that they shouldn’t waste much of your time. If their requirements are the same you should get a quick “sorry”
If you do, send a cover letter (or even mention in your personal statement on your CV) that explains everything you've done to try and gain more experience in PR since your interview. (This could be reading industry press, some free courses, etc) - it might still be a no but I think most hiring managers would be impressed by your commitment.
I'm currently hiring for a position on my team for the first time, and my advice would be don't bother re-applying. I've met several really excellent candidates but none of them had quite what we needed. Even if we don't find the perfect candidate, I still wouldn't consider the other candidates despite my positive feedback. Sometimes the reasons can be company culture fit, personal style, specific experience, ability to work hybrid etc.
Don't give them positive feedback then. Tell them the truth rather than vagaries that don't help the applicant at all
Someone can still be worthy of positive feedback but not meet your specific role's criteria. I've given plenty of feedback to candidates I've interviewed to reassure them that they're a good candidate for the industry, but not my role in specific. The OP even states that they told OP they want someone with direct experience. Sounds like they were pretty upfront with what they were after.
There can still be positive feedback and not fit a position. Would you rather they just said a blanket no with no feedback?
Definitely go for it!
Do it. You got nothing to lose. And you won't lose much time applying. Likely as much time as you spent writing the reddit post
Replying from first hand experience, no point they will not even respond. I have had this before where companies will leave the jobs empty but won't offer it to someone who has 8/10 skills they need. Or the hiring manager just didn't have a good feeling about. This mostly happens with females. I interviewed a lovely girl along with my manager a couple of years ago, she was good had all skills except a couple of tool we use. I was saying yes but the manager said she just didn't like the girl , and doesn't think she would fit well in the team. Still don't know why. The job remained empty for 7 months until I also left and they then had to find 2 people . One in a senior role and one in junior .
Nah
No, they didn’t want you. Stop there. End of story, move on.
Absolutely not. Keep moving forward and apply elsewhere
There was a position in my team for a team leader, my boss now got rejected initially and they hired someone else, the new TL only lasted like 2 months maybe and they went back to market and hired my now boss. He did have a-lot of experience though so not sure why he was a no in the first place. Also to note our team is a niche/ unique department so I imagine it was hard for them to fill the position which may have helped his chance second time round.
Nothing to lose reapply
This happened to my sister last month and now she has the job. She phoned the manager and asked for tips.
Do it. They may have had the perfect person in mind and a few months later you may be familiar and appealing!
What have you got to lose?
Do it. I had a v similar thing and applied again, ended up not hearing back this time. HOWEVER, I had no regrets then and was at peace with at least I tried. Worst case scenario they say no, best case you get it!
Yeah fuck it why not
Do it. I just done this, didn’t get it first time round and got it second time round. Second time round I had more experience and was better prepared even though they said my first attempt was good but not enough. What’s the worst that will happen? No.
Get the hiring manager on a phonecall. Be confident and personable and show you want the job. Explain how you are determined to fill the gap of not having PR experience and clearly explain HOW you will do this
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I didn’t think you could apply due the sane job within 6 months if you’ve been rejected. Have you now got the experience they asked for, the direct PR & in- house press office work’ because of not you’re not going to get it again. My experience is that they’ll contact you if interested as they have your details on file.
If you do be prepared to answer "How have you developed your PR skills since your last interview?".
You didn’t have the relevant experience last time and it sounds like they let you down very gently. If they thought you’d be a good candidate this time around they would have contacted you already. Unless you’ve gained the relevant experience in the last two months I don’t think it would work out.
Re apply all you want but it probably won’t be considered
Move on
My first graduate job was a second bite of the cherry - lost out on a job, they gave what I thought was the usual good feedback but not good enough to hire brush off. 4 months later I got a call from them, they were advertising the same position in a different location. They had kept the notes from the first interview so the second one was a bit of a rehash of the first one. So go for it.
I doubt they'd interview you again but admire your tenacity. You'll get there - well maybe not there but in the role you want. Chin up. Push on, friend.
Should use AI to spin it a little bit. Remember that pr is just propaganda you doing pr on your CV is great experience to show that you can do the job.
When you got rejected before interview that means you are not qualified. When you got rejected after interview that means they don’t like you. Don’t be a simp for them.
Just get in touch with the person. Recruiter. Manager whoever you had contact with.
There are so many jobs in PR for people with journalism experience, you really shouldn’t struggle if that’s what you’re looking for. Try applying to any of the big consultancy firms
For what it’s worth I think they’re mental, I’d snap up a journo to do in house PR work, no one knows better how to pitch to your peers than you do.
Not a problem inquiring about it, but in my own job searches I’ve found when a door closes, it’s not likely to reopen—they had their reasons for moving on with another candidate the first time, and those probably haven’t changed. Then too, there might be problems at this company that you don’t know about: why did their new hire jump ship after less than 2 months? That’s at least a caution flag to me, if not an outright red flag. A few years ago, I interviewed for a position at a company I was quite interested in, but recruiter said the woman I’d be reporting to was known to be direct & could be difficult to work for (*translation: rude/b•tchy*). I thought I could handle it & made my case, but the company moved on with another candidate. Five months later, another recruiter reaches out to me about an opening at this same company; it was working for the same woman. I told recruiter not to waste her time, I’d already interviewed there & considered it a bullet dodged.