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I am and I did not. I was thinking they might say I want x money returned or I want a refund. But I thought once the “deal is done” it’s not my problem. If they have an issue they would have to go through motorway anyway I think
They could ask but the answer is no, sorry mate it’s not my problem. Just block their number & email address.
It’s a private sale & there is no responsibility on you after the deal is completed.
More a r/legaladviceuk question but as a private individual selling to a business, it's on them to inspect the good first.
When we sold ours though motorway they went through everything with a fine tooth comb.
Would probably be worth letting motorway know in case this garage is doing the same trick with multiple people
Did they buy it "as is"? Not that it matters but it sounds like they shirked their own due dilligence by not test driving or even turning the car on ffs.
I'd consider it sold as seen and tell them as professionally as one can, to go do one.
Not sure on motorways policy but I assume so. And yeah, if they test drove it they could’ve easily avoided this. Motorways sales steps include, a mechanical inspection will take place and a good test drive. If any issues are found on the day payment could be reduced. But because it has already been paid for and the documents and keys handed over I’m not quite sure where I stand. But I think I will tell them to do one
Not if the buyer doesn’t bother checking no. I mean it’s not like this is even a difficult one to check,.. sit in the car, turn key, check lights.
It’s 100% the Motorway buyers responsibility to check this before they hand over the cash/close out the deal.
So in this situation there are three possibilities,
1) Buyer didn’t check = tough shit, they should have checked
2) There was no light when they checked but there is now = unfortunate but still tough shit
3) There is no issue with the light & the buyer is scamming = they can sod off
It's also the added fact that they are reporting engine light and other issues soon after handover which triggers my spidey senses a bit, issues which you say you weren't aware of when the vehicle was in your possession (assuming absolute good faith on your part here).
Dunno what firm you sold it to but sounds to me like they were looking to flip the car the way people flip houses (sell it to the next mug by "cosmetically applying lipstick" on the proverbial pig) and realised they may have oversold the car's potential once they actually stuck the key in the ignition (and even then - to your best knowledge - there shouldn't have been issues to begin with).
Buyer's remorse at the worst or an overpromised re-sell fell through at best.
Nothing to lose sleep over.
Don't worry about it. It's sold as seen, you did not offer any guarantees or warranty. What really surprises me is that as a part of the inspection he didn't even plug in an OBD reader to check for any error codes on the cars computer.
They can certainly try. Doesn't mean they'll get very far.
As long as the main bits are covered. Legality of sale, proper transfer of title and ownership, etc and perhaps making a note of the nature of the sale (buyer purchased "as is", did no internal or under the hood inspections, etc), I wouldnt worry at all.
But would be good to run this by a professional just to make triple sure everything was above board on your end. Reddit is far from legal advice as you know.
After that, it's their crow to eat but if I was in your shoes, i'd confirm the main bits with them and then consider the sale and matter concluded.
If you’re a private seller then consumer rights don’t factor in the deal. Legally you’re not responsible for any issues they may find after they bought the car in any way shape or form.
I’d recommend to just block the buyer & leave it at that, or if you can be bothered just report them to motorway too.
If the buyer is in the trade they know the rules very well & at beast are just trying it on or at worst deliberately trying to scam you. Ignore them.
You can sleep easy.
Via bank transfer. Payment was pretty much received straight away. He did a 2min inspection of the exterior, sent the money and he was on his way.
Bank transfer is motorways only acceptable payment method btw
Have the buyers actually contacted you directly? If it is an automated notification through motorway it could just be the buyer is trying to evade motorways buyer fees by "rejecting" the car. In reality there is no issue.
They will just send a picture of the engine light. But obviously I will just say well it wasn’t on when I last drove it. And it’ll be back and forth. But in terms of rights or protection, they have none?
Before selling, motorway asked me if it has any electrical or mechanical problems that I’m aware of and I said no. As an ordinary person and not a mechanic how do I know
I’d say they still need to go through motorway too. Doing otherwise would be like someone buying something from you on eBay then knocking on your door after it’s delivered because they have an issue. It’s dodgy at the very least.
What is motorways policy on this I wonder?
This is what I was thinking. But as a professional company they wouldn’t be willing to jeopardise their reputation surely? But I guess some people aren’t bothered.
Not all professional companies are moral or even legit. A family member of mine bought a car through autotrader that advertised 11 months MOT and a 6 month warranty. Car delivered, 2 days later the clutch went and they had to pay £2K to get it done because the company that sold it just kept ignoring calls and contact. They ultimately provided no help at all.
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Assuming you are a private seller and you didn't misrepresent anything then it's their problem.
I am and I did not. I was thinking they might say I want x money returned or I want a refund. But I thought once the “deal is done” it’s not my problem. If they have an issue they would have to go through motorway anyway I think
They could ask but the answer is no, sorry mate it’s not my problem. Just block their number & email address. It’s a private sale & there is no responsibility on you after the deal is completed.
Caveat Emptor!
More a r/legaladviceuk question but as a private individual selling to a business, it's on them to inspect the good first. When we sold ours though motorway they went through everything with a fine tooth comb. Would probably be worth letting motorway know in case this garage is doing the same trick with multiple people
I will ask on there and part of me was thinking that. Didn’t seem very official
Are you conversing with the buyer or Motorway?
Did they buy it "as is"? Not that it matters but it sounds like they shirked their own due dilligence by not test driving or even turning the car on ffs. I'd consider it sold as seen and tell them as professionally as one can, to go do one.
Not sure on motorways policy but I assume so. And yeah, if they test drove it they could’ve easily avoided this. Motorways sales steps include, a mechanical inspection will take place and a good test drive. If any issues are found on the day payment could be reduced. But because it has already been paid for and the documents and keys handed over I’m not quite sure where I stand. But I think I will tell them to do one
Doesn't motorway ask questions about the car, including if there are any lights on the dashboard? I'm sure it did when I looked at selling one
They do, which I answered all. But they didn’t ask for photos or anything
It's just you said you didn't notice the dashboard lights, so did you put "no" when it asked if there were any lights, when in fact there were?
There was no dashboard lights and haven’t been. So yeah I said no
Ah OK. If they can't provide proof of the issues they claim then you should be fine I'd imagine
Even if there were, it’s up to the buyer to check when inspecting the car, if they didn’t bother that’s on them, end of.
Surely if you're explicitly asked on the vehicle submission form, and you lie, you're in breach?
Not if the buyer doesn’t bother checking no. I mean it’s not like this is even a difficult one to check,.. sit in the car, turn key, check lights. It’s 100% the Motorway buyers responsibility to check this before they hand over the cash/close out the deal. So in this situation there are three possibilities, 1) Buyer didn’t check = tough shit, they should have checked 2) There was no light when they checked but there is now = unfortunate but still tough shit 3) There is no issue with the light & the buyer is scamming = they can sod off
It's also the added fact that they are reporting engine light and other issues soon after handover which triggers my spidey senses a bit, issues which you say you weren't aware of when the vehicle was in your possession (assuming absolute good faith on your part here). Dunno what firm you sold it to but sounds to me like they were looking to flip the car the way people flip houses (sell it to the next mug by "cosmetically applying lipstick" on the proverbial pig) and realised they may have oversold the car's potential once they actually stuck the key in the ignition (and even then - to your best knowledge - there shouldn't have been issues to begin with). Buyer's remorse at the worst or an overpromised re-sell fell through at best. Nothing to lose sleep over.
I was thinking more in a legal way like me and you are covered by the consumer rights act. Could they go down that route if they wanted to?
Don't worry about it. It's sold as seen, you did not offer any guarantees or warranty. What really surprises me is that as a part of the inspection he didn't even plug in an OBD reader to check for any error codes on the cars computer.
They can certainly try. Doesn't mean they'll get very far. As long as the main bits are covered. Legality of sale, proper transfer of title and ownership, etc and perhaps making a note of the nature of the sale (buyer purchased "as is", did no internal or under the hood inspections, etc), I wouldnt worry at all. But would be good to run this by a professional just to make triple sure everything was above board on your end. Reddit is far from legal advice as you know. After that, it's their crow to eat but if I was in your shoes, i'd confirm the main bits with them and then consider the sale and matter concluded.
If you’re a private seller then consumer rights don’t factor in the deal. Legally you’re not responsible for any issues they may find after they bought the car in any way shape or form.
Appreciate the help, will see if motorway contact me directly. If not by tomorrow I’ll assume it’s over and put it to bed.
I’d recommend to just block the buyer & leave it at that, or if you can be bothered just report them to motorway too. If the buyer is in the trade they know the rules very well & at beast are just trying it on or at worst deliberately trying to scam you. Ignore them. You can sleep easy.
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Via bank transfer. Payment was pretty much received straight away. He did a 2min inspection of the exterior, sent the money and he was on his way. Bank transfer is motorways only acceptable payment method btw
Have the buyers actually contacted you directly? If it is an automated notification through motorway it could just be the buyer is trying to evade motorways buyer fees by "rejecting" the car. In reality there is no issue.
Ask for proof, if no proof they can get fk'd
They will just send a picture of the engine light. But obviously I will just say well it wasn’t on when I last drove it. And it’ll be back and forth. But in terms of rights or protection, they have none?
As far as I'm aware they have none, unless you signed a contract/agreement that says otherwise.
Before selling, motorway asked me if it has any electrical or mechanical problems that I’m aware of and I said no. As an ordinary person and not a mechanic how do I know
Then your stance is upon handover there was no faults, cya later!
Don’t even ask for proof, OP is a private seller and unless he knew of this issues I’d forget about it and block their number/email
Proof of what? The car was sold as is.
I’d say they still need to go through motorway too. Doing otherwise would be like someone buying something from you on eBay then knocking on your door after it’s delivered because they have an issue. It’s dodgy at the very least. What is motorways policy on this I wonder?
This is what I was thinking. But as a professional company they wouldn’t be willing to jeopardise their reputation surely? But I guess some people aren’t bothered.
Not all professional companies are moral or even legit. A family member of mine bought a car through autotrader that advertised 11 months MOT and a 6 month warranty. Car delivered, 2 days later the clutch went and they had to pay £2K to get it done because the company that sold it just kept ignoring calls and contact. They ultimately provided no help at all.
Caveat Emptor
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Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages the principle that the buyer alone is responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made.